Glenn interviews 2012 contender Rick Santorum

Rick Santorum threw his name onto the GOP contender list earlier this week, and Glenn interviewed the former Senator on radio this morning.

While introducing Santorum, Glenn said that the potential candidate was on a short list of people that in his mind would be good choices for President in 2012. “ I think he is one of the bravest men out there,” Glenn said.

After listening to the remarks the President about entitlements are what makes America great, Santorum said, “In 2008 America was looking for a President that they could believe in and after experiencing Barack Obama, America that realized that they need a President that believes in them.”

“ I always say that in America we are different and I talk about my grandfather coming to this country, you know, leaving Mussolini’s Italy, leaving a good job, leaving security, leaving stability because he wanted freedom more than anything else and the DNA of Americans is different. We value freedom more than anything else and the people that are running this country now don’t. They value control and security and this dependency,” he added.

Surprisingly, Glenn played Allen Simpson remarks about Santorum and asked for a response. Simpson had recently said, “We have homophobes in our party. That’s disgusting to me. We’re all human beings. We’re all God’s children. Now, if they’re going to get off in that stuff — Santorum has said some cruel things, cruel, cruel things about homosexuals. Ask him about it. See if he agrees to the cruelness of his remarks, years ago. Foul.”

Santorum’s response? “There were no cruel, cruel remarks. All I can ponder is that Allen Simpson is talking about a comment that I made which I paraphrase almost word for word, but paraphrase a Supreme Court Justice on a case calls Lawrence versus Texas, before that case came out which had to do with, as you know, a Supreme Court case on the issue of sodomy and I said that if you have — if the Supreme Court case is the legal standard to say that consensual sexual activity is now a Constitutional right, then we open up the gates for all sorts of consensual acts.”

Santorum continued, “And unfortunately folks like Allen Simpson saw that as homophobic. It’s not homophobic. It’s a legal argument. In fact, that’s exactly what’s happening. We went from Lawrence versus Texas to now a Constitutional right to same sex marriage and they’re going into a Constitutional right to polyamorous relationships. This is the slippery slope that we’re heading down.”
Glenn also asked Santorum about his views on the Middle East chaos and the debt ceiling. Santorum agreed with many of Glenn’s theories on what could happen in the Middle East in the coming months and years, including a caliphate made up of Turkey, Egypt, and Iran. “I’ve been writing about it for the last four years and as you know, because I was on your program in 2006, I was talking about those exact same things,” Santorum said.

“I was considered, well, like you are just suggesting, crazy for suggesting that I talk about Hugo Chavez, I talked about the relationship between Venezuela and Iran. I talked about jihadist training camps in central and South America. That is all factually correct. That is, in fact, going on. There is no question that there are elements in the Middle East that would like to establish a caliphate and that, yes, Sunni and Shia are working together. Socialists and Islamists and jihadists are working together,” Santorum added.

“Barack Obama’s favorability ratings in the country of Israel is in single digits. So, the people in Israel believe that we’ve changed allegiances but unfortunately, as you know, Glenn, it’s not just Israel. It’s anybody that’s a friend of the United States we turn our back to routinely,” he said.

“The debt ceiling. Do we vote to extend the debt ceiling?” Glenn asked.

“The only reason you vote to extend the debt ceiling is you get substantial concessions out of this administration on programs that have a meaningful change in the reduction of the deficit and to me, first and foremost, would be Obamacare. I think we have to draw a line,” Santorum said.

Glenn responded, “If you don’t pass the debt ceiling, if you don’t lift it, the country, the whole world, can go into a tailspin. Do you not believe that or do you think that it’s best to do that? “

“Well, first, there’s certainly things you can do in passing legislation to actually make that our debts are paid and that what suffers is government programs in the sense of instead of having our credit worthiness affected, what you do is you affect the operations of government instead of our ability to pay our debt. There’s still money coming in, enough money coming in to pay our debits if we prioritize how we use those expenditures and so I don’t buy off on this, you know, we’re going to fall off a cliff. We’re going to fall off a cliff if we don’t start doing something to deal with this debt and this is an opportunity for us to draw the line in the sand and put their backs to the wall on something that they really want.”

Full Transcript of Interviews Below:

GLENN: Senator Rick Santorum announced that he is taking the next step in a possible run for President in 2012.

PAT: Yeah.
GLENN: Rick Santorum is, I believe, Pat’s candidate. He said he’s going to vote for Rick Santorum if he runs.

PAT: Uh-huh, uh-huh.
GLENN: I think Rick is on a very short list of about three people for me. I think he is one of the bravest men out there. He said damn the torpedoes in his last election. I’m going to say what is true and they said that’s going to kill you in the polls and it did and he said I don’t care.

PAT: I don’t think Rick said the D word. I don’t think he said that. I don’t think he would swear that way.

GLENN: He also is — he is very outspoken on issues of life and what has been happening in the Middle East. He’s one of the very few that have gotten this from the very beginning. Welcome to the program, Rick Santorum. How are you, sir?

SANTORUM: I am doing great. Thank you and I appreciate the compliments and the endorsements and I would say “damn” because it’s a historical quote.
Glenn: Okay. All right. Let me give the — let me give you a couple of thing. First I want to start with the President’s speech yesterday and I want you to listen to this, especially the last line where he talks about a great country. I don’t know if you’ve picked this up yet, but I would like to hear your comments. Listen to what he’s saying about all of these programs and what it means about our country.
PRESIDENT OBAMA: We recognize that no matter how responsible MRI we live our lives, hard times or bad luck, a crippling illness or a layoff may strike any one of us. There but for the grace of God go I, we say to ourselves. And so we contribute to programs like Medicaid and Social Security which guarantee us healthcare and a measure of basic income after a lifetime of hard work. Unemployment insurance which protects us against unexpected job loss and Medicaid which provides care for millions of seniors in nursing homes, poor children, those with disabilities.
GLENN: Listen to this.
PRESIDENT OBAMA: We’re a better country because of these commitments. I’ll go further. We would not be a great country without those commitments.
SANTORUM: So, prior to 1965 America was not a great country?

PAT: Had you, uh-huh,
SANTORUM: There you go. That kind of sums it up right there, doesn’t it?
GLENN: It does.
SANTORUM: I said something when I announced last night and to me this sort of sums up what we’ve been through these last couple of years. I said, you know, in 2008 America was looking for a President that they could believe in and after experiencing Barack Obama, America that realized that they need a President that believes in them.

GLENN: Can I — Rick, can I tell you something? This was in the Huffington Post where they’re trying to convince Hillary Clinton to run in 2012 and I wanted to bring up your phrase that you said last night because listen to what the Huffington Post said. For Democrats it’s no longer change we can believe in but a candidate we can believe in. Again, it’s the exact opposite.
SANTORUM: It’s the exact — they’re looking for — this is — you say this all the time, Glenn, but it really is looking for someone to be the paternalistic — here’s a bunch of folks that fought against the paternalistic system in America and that’s what they’re looking for. They’re looking for the savior, they’re looking for the king. I always say that in America we are different and I talk about my grandfather coming to this country, you know, leaving Mussolini’s Italy, leaving a good job, leaving security, leaving stability because he wanted freedom more than anything else and the DNA of Americans is different. We value freedom more than anything else and the people that are running this country now don’t. They value control and security and this dependency and it is — it is the fundamental question of our time, are we a society, are we a society that’s going to go back to the principles that made this country the greatest country in the history of the world which is simply this, that America, the whole purpose of America, is for you to be free to pursue your dreams. That is — it’s not to create a great government, it’s not to create a great economy, it’s not to create anything except the ability for you to provide for yourself and the people that you love and to serve the God that you love. Those — that’s what America is all about and we trust people to do that and when people do that, America, the whole society, becomes a great society.
GLENN: All right. So, let me — and I’ve never said this phrase before and meant it literally and I feel like I do now every time I say it. Let me play devil’s advocate and say, well, a lot of people can’t live their dream because the wealthiest 1% have all of the money, they control the money, they are getting richer and richer and let’s even — let’s even let the chips fall where they may. The banks and the government and the Fed are going to inflate our money. They’re not going to be able to get ahead while the rich, like George Soros or the Coke brothers, are able to continue to compile wealth. So, it means nothing, anyway, Rick Santorum.

SANTORUM: Well, the bottom line is what you’re talking about is what’s happened over the last 100 years is government has gotten more and more involved in the thing and it’s put their finger on the scale and it’s done just that. Crony capitalism, which is — look. I was in Congress for 16 years. The lobbyists for all of the companies, some of whom you just mentioned, didn’t come to Congress and say create a level playing field for us to compete. No, they didn’t do that. They said we need this to help our business and so they went in and lobbied and, you know, you have an entire structure of government right now that is all about special interest savers for one group or another. We need to get back — and that’s one of the things I love about what Paul Ryan has suggested. We need to get back and get back to simpler tax code, get rid of all of these incentives and get rid of all of these things that tip the scales in favor of who has the most powerful lobbyists in Washington DC and if we do that, if we create that level playing field, we can have an America that allows people to prosper.
One of the things I was most proud of in my time in Congress was not my Chamber of Commerce rating or my big business rating. It was for the National Association of Small Businessmen. Those are the small business guys who actually are in Washington DC that say, Please, just create a level playing field, give us a chance to compete and we’ll do just fine.
GLENN: Rick, I’m going to throw you a curve ball here. Allen Simpson talked about you the other day in the most flattering terms. I want to play what Allen Simpson said about you and Republicans like you and have you respond.
SIMPSON: I don’t know, but if we’re going to get into social issues, we won the governorship — and I saw them saying that they’ve seen Christie. I mean, I saw him a few weeks ago. He is quite awesome, but we won a governorship there in New Jersey, one in Virginia by not talking about social issues. Who the hell is for abortion? I don’t know anybody running around with a sign that says have an abortion, they’re wonderful. They’re hideous, but they’re a deeply intimate and personal decision and I don’t think men legislators should even vote on the issue. Then you’ve got homosexuality. You’ve got don’t ask, don’t tell. We have homophobes in our party. That’s disgusting to me. We’re all human beings. We’re all God’s children. Now, if they’re going to get off in that stuff — Santorum has said some cruel things, cruel, cruel things about homosexuals. Ask him about it. See if he agrees to the cruelness of his remarks, years ago. Foul. Now, you know —

GLENN: Okay. Stop.
PAT: What is that?
GLENN: The cruel, cruel remarks.

PAT: Cruel, cruel remarks. I don’t think I’ve ever said that.

SANTORUM: There were no cruel, cruel remarks. All I can ponder is that Allen Simpson is talking about a comment that I made which I paraphrase almost word for word, but paraphrase a Supreme Court justice on a case calls Lawrence versus Texas, before that case came out which had to do with, as you know, a Supreme Court case on the issue of sodomy and I said that if you have — if the Supreme Court case is the legal standard to say that sexual — consensual sexual activity is now a Constitutional right, then we open up the gates for all sorts of consensual acts.
PAT: Okay.
SANTORUM: And that is, by the way, what Justice Windsor White, appointed by John Kennedy, said and that’s what they said they were not going to allow that standard. I said the same thing.

PAT: Oh, geez.
SANTORUM: And unfortunately folks like Allen Simpson saw that as homophobic. It’s not homophobic. It’s a legal argument. In fact, that’s exactly what’s happening. We went from Lawrence versus Texas to now a Constitutional right to same sex marriage and they’re going into a Constitutional right to polyamorous relationships. This is the slippery slope that we’re heading down.
GLENN: Polyamorous relationships. Polyamorous. That is the most incredible —

SANTORUM: That’s the term.

GLENN: Don’t use polyamorous. (Laughter.) Geez. One last —

SANTORUM: I said it.
GLENN: One last — one last question for you and, that is, the Middle East. I have been mocked and ridiculed for saying that there are those in the Middle East that want a caliphate that begins with Turkey, Egypt and Iran even though it’s Sunni and Shia. They’re working together for the first time. They’re working together with socialists and communists, even though they don’t have the same point of view on things, and they are destabilizing the Middle East. Iran wants to have control of a caliphate. They’re talking about the return of the 12th Imam. Whether you believe it or not, that is an important development. I have also said that Iran has its hooks down in Central America, there are terrorists here in America and they are laying in wait for a Islamic extremist regime, they want Sharia law all over the globe. That’s crazy, Rick

SANTORUM: I don’t disagree with anything you just said. In fact, I’ve been writing about it for the last four years and as you know, because I was on your program in 2006, I was talking about those exact same things. I was considered, well, like you are just suggesting, crazy for suggesting that I talk about Hugo Chavez, I talked about the relationship between Venezuela and Iran. I talked about jihadist training camps in central and South America. That is all factually correct. That is, in fact, going on. There is no question that there are elements in the Middle East that would like to establish a caliphate and that, yes, Sunni and Shia are working together. Socialists and Islamists and jihadists are working together. Why? Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend and the United States is the enemy. Western civilization is the enemy. It’s not because we have economically repressed them. It’s not because we have invaded militarily. It’s because of who we are. They object to western civilization. They object to the foundations of our society. They believe that they are evil and they believe that they are doing us a favor by concurring us and converting us to their view of the world.

GLENN: Is the country on the wrong side with Israel? Not the country. Is our administration and is our foreign policy — have we changed our alliances, do you believe, or are in the midst of changing our alliances?

SANTORUM: Well, let’s just look at what the Israelis say. Barack Obama’s favorability ratings in the country of Israel is in single digits. So, the people in Israel believe that we’ve changed allegiances but unfortunately, as you know, Glenn, it’s not just Israel. It’s anybody that’s a friend of the United States we turn our back to routinely. We believe that our job is to show to our enemies that we really, really don’t — aren’t going to be good allies, that we’re going to embrace them and warm-up to them and, as a result of warming up to them, that they’re not going to be mean to us, they’re not going to attack us, and one way of showing that is to stiff our allies on a continual basis and certainly nobody has been stiffed more in the last two years than Israel.
GLENN: Okay. I know I keep saying this is the last question, but I just thought of another one I have to ask you. The debt ceiling. Do we vote to extend the debt ceiling?

SANTORUM: No. Look. The only reason you vote to extend the debt ceiling is you get substantial concessions out of this administration on programs that have a meaningful change in the reduction of the deficit and to me, first and foremost, would be Obamacare. I think we have to — we have to draw a line. This is the reason I objected to what was going on the last few weeks with the continued resolution. We’re fighting over $10 billion, $20 billion. We’ve got to fight over — we’ve got to fight over principles that matter for the future of our country.

GLENN: But when — if you don’t pass the debt ceiling, if you don’t lift it, the country, the whole world, can go into a tailspin. Do you not believe that or do you think that it’s best to do that?

SANTORUM: Well, first, there’s certainly things you can do in passing legislation to actually make that our debts are paid and that what suffers is government programs in the sense of instead of having our credit worthiness affected, what you do is you affect the operations of government instead of our ability to pay our debt. There’s still money coming in, enough money coming in to pay our debits if we prioritize how we use those expenditures and so I don’t buy off on this, you know, we’re going to fall off a cliff. We’re going to fall off a cliff if we don’t start doing something to deal with this debt and this is an opportunity for us to draw the line in the sand and put their backs to the wall on something that they really want.

GLENN: Rick Santorum, thank you so much, sir.

SANTORUM: Keep up the great work. I’m a big fan and a big listener. I appreciate it.

GLENN: Well, likewise. Thank you very much, Rick. We’ll talk again. I think this guy — and I said this in 2006. I think he’s a Winston Churchill.