Glenn interviewed Bill O’Reilly about his new book, Killing Lincoln, and towards the end of the interview Bill dropped a bombshell – he would be stopping b the GBTV studios sometime next week. While details were sketchy, it looks while get more information on this special guest in the weeks to come.
“I’m telling you, if you want to learn about Abraham Lincoln, this is a tremendous, tremendous book,” Glenn said of Bill’s new book.
“It is not just a dry history book. It is truly fantastic. Truly, truly fantastic. Bill, great job,” Glenn said.
“Yeah, there’s all kinds of stuff about Lincoln and Booth that I didn’t know and I’m a former history teacher. So we researched this thing right down to what Abraham Lincoln did when he got up in the morning,” O’Reilly explained.
Bill said that the book was aimed at teenagers and young adults.
The two friends and former co-workers did get into an argument over who was the “gold standard” for Presidents, with Bill claiming Lincoln and Glenn claiming George Washington.
As the interview was coming to a close, Bill said, “So we’re going to be on GBTV next week.”
“I might squeeze you in,” Glenn joked.
Read the raw transcript below:
>>Glenn: Yeah, that’s right. Bill O’Reilly is on now. Yeah. And I have a few words for Bill O’Reilly. In the no spin zone here now. [ THEME MUSIC ]
There’s the one thing that Bill O’Reilly knows and that is history. He doesn’t know the progressive era very well. You know, most people who went to Harvard don’t. They kind of bury that part of it. But he knows history real, real well. He was a history professor or teacher for a while. It didn’t work out for him.
He to go do something else. I don’t know what he went on to do Bill O’Reilly has written a new book called killing the Lincoln, the shocking assassination that changed America forever. I have two ways of going here. I could tell you that I read not all of it. I haven’t finished it yet, but most of it and it is really, really well written and it’s a history book that you will like because it’s actually in story form and it’s not like and in 1861, then the young Abe– no, it’s written in a way that is not just dates, names and places, but in story form and it’s really engaging, or, I could say hello, Bill. I read your book. Well, I read part of it. I read the part that said killing Lincoln and the next page.
CALLER: thought it was repetitive, it said killing Lincoln by Bill O’Reilly, and I hope that you can explain because then there’s something about for– whatever. The next page says killing Lincoln again, and you lost me because I’m like, I got it. You’re killing Lincoln. Tonight I’m going to read a note to readers, which sounds fascinating and something you like to call pro-log.
>> A guy like you, it takes about three days to get through the four vanity pages of the book. Get the audio, Beck, and then I’ll be yelling at you while you listen.
>> You actually read the thing?
>> What do you mean you read it?
>>Glenn: I mean you read it outloud?
>> I did. 278 pages of it.
>>Glenn: Woof, that had to be tough work. Who paid you for it?
>> Don’t you read your books?
>>Glenn: Actually. I like reading my books. I don’t have time anymore. I have a job. In this economy, I have four jobs. I’m not like you.
>> You need to give your listeners the audio version. You don’t have time.
>>Glenn: I’d like to. I’m not a rich fat cat like you who keeps asking the president for higher taxes because that’s what you rich people are doing.
>> If you’re not a rich fat cat, then rich fat cats don’t exist.
>>Glenn: Let me tell I did read the book. It is really exceptionally well written and really fascinating. You are really good at the history of Lincoln. Like I said, progressives not so much, but this is really good. You start just a few days before Lincoln is assassinated. In just a couple of pages, I learn stuff about John Wilkes Booth that I didn’t know.
>> Yeah, there’s all kinds of stuff about Lincoln and Booth that I didn’t know and I’m a former history teacher. So we researched this thing right down to what Abraham Lincoln to what he got up in the morning. I wanted to write a very personal– I’m writing this for America’s kids. I want the kids to read it. By kids I mean 12 to 28 because they don’t know anything about our history. They don’t know what a good leader is, and I believe that Abraham Lincoln was the best president, the gold standard of leadership for this country and that today, we desperately need somebody to bring us back, and we have to be looking for people, not who are as good as Lincoln, but who approached that.
>>Glenn: At least striving to be.
>> Put their country above themselves which is the key to what Abraham Lincoln did.
>>Glenn: I’m going to let you pass on the Abraham Lincoln is the gold standard. It was clearly George Washington and George Washington could take Abraham Lincoln in any fight that you could possibly–
>> I’m not going to mock you for your view there because there are two sides, but the reason I say that Lincoln is the gold standard, I would put Washington second, okay.
>> What Lincoln had to deal with was absolute breakdown of the union.
>>Glenn: You’re so right. George Washington just had to go fight a war with no shoes. Cake walk.
>> He wasn’t president then. When Washington got to be president, the country was calm and he was coronateed. Some wanted him to be king. He didn’t have to deal with what link hadn’t to deal with from the jump, which is an abysmal situation brought to him from the infamous James Buchanan.
>>Glenn: Worry wise known, for anyone listening, James Buchanan translates in modern English, George W. Bush. Lincoln inherited those problems from George W. Bush.
>> I would never put George W. Bush in the category of Buchanan who was worst.
>>Glenn: It’s new history. All problems were caused by the actual George W. Bush.
>> Look, Lincoln had three daunting tasks in front of him. As you mentioned, we only take the last two months of his life. The last few days, we really zero in on him because everything was happening, civil war was ending, the bloodiest battle ever seen was fought in Virginia. There was a big conspiracy not tonally to kill Lincoln but that the governments of the south would rise again. There’s Abe in the middle of it. Everyone hating him. He was the most hated man in the America. The south hated him and many in the north hated him. The guy was under siege from every side, but he prevailed. One thing he wanted to do was number one, win the civil war and keep people together. Number two, get rid of slavery. That was huge. Number three, after the war was over, because he knew he was going to win. At the end two months, he knew he was going to win. Grant was chasing Lee. Lincoln wasn’t in Washington. He was on the gun boats watching these battles, but anyway, those were the three that after the war was over that Lincoln would not punish the south but bring it in. All three of those things took a toll on the man. He was a robust, Schwarzenegger type when he got into the office, over six foot, strapping man. When he left, he’s bent over and aged 30 years and that was the period of four years.
>>Glenn: Let me ask you this. I didn’t know that James Buchanan, I mean, just the idea that the vice president during the second inaugural speech, the vice president– you like that one, Pat.
>>Pat: I did. Sadly, I did.
>>Glenn: The vice president come out and gives a drunken–
>> he was loaded. Andrew Johnson was loaded when he gave his, the vice president, when he gave his speech.
>>Glenn: He came down on the south and ripped them apart.
>> Right. Right. He was from Tennessee, Johnson. He wanted Lincoln to go in and scourge and he wanted them to kill and hang, all the confederate leaders and generals. Lincoln said I’m not doing that. We’ll never get this union back together if I do that. That’s another reason people hated Lincoln because they wanted revenge.
>>Glenn: That is amazing. I read that part and I thought this is– this is the choice that we have in front of us again. Here is this drunken sock getting up, the vice president, and he says rip ’em apart.
>>Glenn: Take them apart and Lincoln comes up and his second inaugural address is the exact opposite with mall has toward none, he says, we’re going to put it all back together, and we’re all brothers in this. Totally different choice. When he’s walking up to give his address, explain what happens. Another piece of lost history that I find fascinating. Explain what happens when Lincoln is walking up.
>> Well, he didn’t want to give the address when the people were demanding it. They were chanting and they were screaming and he finally had to give it and booth was in the audience, John Wilkes booth. Is this what you’re referring to?
>>Glenn: Yeah. Let me ask the guys if they knew this.
>> Booth was a racist, a narcissist. Only 26 years old, but very famous actor, he and hated Lincoln and he wanted to kill Lincoln and he–
>>Glenn: An actor.
>> He wanted to kill them all and he felt he could kill them all with his guise, he felt the south would rise again.
>>Glenn: An actor.
>> Right. Booth is there listening to Lincoln and close to him, close to him, and at one point in the speech, booth lounges toward Lincoln and a Marshall, Washington Marshall stops booth and looks at him and recognizes him, and doesn’t arrest him because he said, oh, an actor like that, woe never try to hurt the president.
>>Glenn: It would have been bad for the police had they arrested somebody as famous as booth.
>> Booth said, oh, I just stumbled.
He was so angry, he couldn’t contain himself. One of the poems in the book and this is great, John Wilke booth was engaged to Lucy Hail, the daughter of a senator who was very anti-slavery. While she was contemplating marrying booth, she was going out on the side Robert Todd Lincoln, Abraham’s son, an officer. We believe booth found out about that and that enraged him further. These are the kinds of details that we uncover in the book.
>>Glenn: I’m telling you, if you want to learn about Abraham Lincoln, this is a tremendous, tremendous book. Because of 245, he tells you stuff in it that you’ve never heard before. It makes the story fascinating. It is not just a dry history book. It is truly fantastic. Truly, truly fantastic. Bill, great job.
>>I appreciate that very much. So we’re going to be on GBTV next week.
>>Glenn: I’m thinking about it. I’m not sure.
>> If you can deem.
>>Glenn: I might squeeze you in. I don’t know. I only have a two-hour broadcast now and it’s me.
>> No guests.
>>Glenn: I don’t have any guests, but I might make room for you. However, however I’ve read recently how much you hate everybody on the staff over at Fox, and I want you to know that bill O’Reilly, Glen Beck on GBTV sounds good, but Sean Hannity’s thinking about it.
>> In the same article you’re referring to is that I fear you.
>>Glenn: I know that. That’s what gave that article such credibility.
[ Laughter ]
>>Pat: That’s when they had me. I thought this is all true.
>>Glenn: I thought this is all a lie and then I read he fears Glen Beck and I thought that’s true. That came right from Bill.
[ Laughter ]
>>Pat: Came right from Bill.
>> I’m glad you read part of the book and enjoyed it.
>>Glenn: I’m going to read the contents tonight. If I can get through the pro-log, I’ll read the contents. It’s fascinating by the way you’ve written it. Chapter one, it’s fascinating. Bill O’Reilly, thank you very much. We’ll talk again soon, my friend. The name of the book is killing Lincoln, the shocking assassination that changed America forever. A great, great book.
>>Stu: The case is essentially that partially this assassination happened because of a love triangle jealous type thing.
>>Pat: With Abraham Lincoln’s son.
>>Glenn: Can we get Bill back on?
>>Stu: I don’t know. You hung up on him. I can try.