I care about Christmas!!!!!!! I also care about Hannukka, Eid Mubarak, & Kwanza! I also respect the thoughts of aethiests, agnostics, and every bloody else!
If you don’t like or believe in Christmas, wish me well and ignore it! Just as I wish you well and will ignore you!
The Pilgrims came to North America to escape religious persecution
Christians are again being persecuted by the “politically correct”. Pull this crap in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, or Iraq & see what happens!!!!!!!
Merry Christmas! Celebrate the birth of Christ!

shouldn’t the issue here be with the History Channel and not with the comedian who used their documentary for his joke?

There is absolutely nothing to joke about when it comes to the birth of my Savior.    Who among you would laugh at a tasteless joke made about your father?

What, is Jon too childish to understand it isn’t true and certainly not funny?

Mr Stewart, I will return the favor this way — WHY THE BLAZES SHOULD ANYONE CARE ABOUT YOUR SHOW THEM?

There are some Christians today who don’t believe we should celebrate Christmas, or Easter for that matter, given the pagan nature of some of the traditions involved. The word “easter” itself comes from the goddess Ishtar. Which is why many call it “resurrection day” instead. 

To observe Christ’s birth is not in the Bible. Nobody knows when Christ was born. From what I can tell we just wanted to celebrate something while everyone else was celebrating something way back when, you know, around winter solstice

Personally, I think the heart is what counts. But it wouldn’t surprise me if some of the Puritans banned the celebration out of, well, purity. Or out of wanting to distance themselves from where they’d come from. 

As for Jon Stewart, lighten up already. I don’t expect the man to be accurate, but I do think he’s hilarious, and I think the hoopla over “Happy Holidays” is way overblown. For Pete’s sake, we made the holiday up. He’s making fun of Fox. Probably couldn’t care less about Christmas.

When at a store or anywhere where they wish you “Happy Holidays”, I say “I am very happy to celebrate CHRISTMAS, what holiday are you happy about?” They are usually lost for words.  For “Seasons Greetings”, I say “Jesus is the reason for the season”

Each and every year Americans argue and bicker it out, over, should we or should we not, observe the traditional and yearly customs of generations long forgotten, that is, all but their pagan celebrations.

You are correct in that, ‘easter’ was here long before Christ and the long held winter solstice celebrations were renamed after Christ was resurrected.

As usual – this endless squabbling lays a heavy smoke screen that completely cloaks other more important stories taking place around the world. For instance, today Britain turned down membership in the EU, this is a watershed event – what transpires down the road will grab the attention of the entire world, making the petty chirping of celebrating some birthday seem cereal – but – here we are talking about “he said, she said” like a bunch of snot nosed school kids.

Remember this – yesterdays bible prophecy – is today’s news.

Who cares what Jon thinks, I use Christmas and for that matter Easter to spend time with my family and celebrate our love and joy in being together. I celebrate my Lord and savior every day on my knees in prayer, if people have a problem with that then I hope they bring plenty of ice when they pass on. 

that’s great – and I plan on using that line next time somebody says Happy Holidays!  LOL!

Actually, the observation of Christ’s birth is well documented in the Bible.  See Luke, chapters 1-2.  It is semantics to say the shepherds were not “celebrating.”  The angels told them this was an event of great joy.  They were awestruck by His birth.

It takes a tad more detail than I will write here, but the time of Jesus’ birth is also be reasonably established with more Biblical data than has been commonly used since 200AD.  Jesus was 6 months younger than John the Baptist whose birth can be established during the spring Festival of Unleavened Bread.  John’s birth can be calculated based on his father’s service in the Temple in the priestly order of Abijah. 
Six months later places Jesus’ birth in late summer (September) during the Feast of Tabernacles.  This gives special meaning to John 1:14 in which the Word became flesh and dwelt (tabernacled) among us.  This also means the Light of World was likely conceived during the Festival of Channuka, the Festival of Lights.

Our tradition of celebrating the Messiah’s birth during the winter solstice seems to have originated around 200 C.E. (that’s the “Christian Era;” BCE is “Before the Christian Era”).  Tertullian of Carthage reported a calculation that related the day of the crucifixion to the day of Christ’s birth.  Such a calculation had no basis in the Bible as it assumed Christ’s death on/about March 25 would have been nine months from His birth; December 25.  However, it was an effort to establish a birthday.  Thus, many Christians have observed Jesus’ birth on this day since 200AD.  This means the pagan elements of Christmas were “Christianized” and added later.

All the effort to identify the time of Jesus’ birth is of no eternal value.  You are correct to say it is a matter of the heart.  I would add that it is a matter of the spirit.  God is to be worshiped in spirit and truth.

“Happy Holidays” is overblown.  I will wish people Merry Christmas.  Those who trust and follow Christ will not be intimidated by pagan political correctness.

The problem is that a fair number of people think that what he says is accurate.  He even seems to believe he is accurate.  So Stewart contributes to the dumbing of America. That is why Stewart’s inaccuracies are a concern.

So what’s new? another obnoxious Jew  who can’t figure out why the Jews are so hated.

Whether to celebrate Christmas or Easter, or debating the birthdate of Jesus, etc, is really not the issue with the left. THAT is the smoke screen in itself. The real agenda from the left is to obliterate EVERYTHING that is associated with Christianity, from the public square, thereby making it easier for them to propagandize the citizenry with socialistic, marxist, communist  (pick one or all) ideology. It makes it easier to promote social immorality on a grand scale, because the fewer people who will stand up and say CHRIST, JESUS, FAITH, PRAYER in public, the more we are all beaten down to their level of nothingness.
 
You are right that the EU is a major boiling point, but we are at that point because of the apathy of the people in standing up for what is good and right. You cannot have a great nation without a great and good people, whether they be Christian, Jew, Muslim, etc. We cannot be a great and good nation without the guiding hand and blessings of our Father.
 
It may seem petty, but in reality, we all need to stand for our faith in any and all arenas, even at Christmas, because small as it may seem. that is just one more chipping point at taking our religious freedoms away from us all.

Wonderful response!  He is the “reason for the season.”

Everybody check out BethlehemStar.net!  It took a LAWYER, not an astrophysicist to find the actual STAR OF BETHLEHEM!  …I’ll not spoil it for you but, I bet you can guess what happened on the 25th of December in 2 B.C.!!!!!

Exactly my point a couple of days ago in reference to the school in Stockton CA banning poinsettias and Santa Claus. It’s a chipping point that goes even beyond religious freedoms to our very culture itself. Christmas may not seem a big deal in that regard, but — commercialized and distorted as it has become — it is part of our national being. We denigrate it at our peril.

The most significant birth in the history of the world.  The only recorded virgin birth ever.God sends forth his son robed in human flesh, to give his life in exchange for the lives of those who would simply believe in him (John 3:16). Those of you trying to undermine the celebration of the event many call Christmas, consider this. By sending Jesus into this world to give his life for you, God has established not only how much he loves you, but also the value he places on human life. I wonder who else thinks you’re that valuable. I know no one else would give his life in exchange for mine.  So whatever day is traditionally honored as Jesus birthday, I’m going to celebrate. Not only that day but everyday from now until eternity. If you had recieved him as Lord and savior then you would understand. As to the resurrection.  John 3;16 makes this utterly fantastic and incredible promise also. “Whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.” He couldn’t make that promise unless he first, over came death, hell and the grave. Some won’t believe it, but there are many of us who will go to our grave, with this promise in our hearts. What will you have? Debate if you will, the various questions surrounding the celebration of Christmas, But the birth of Christ is the greatest gift God could give.

You are on target…from reading over the years the “biography of Jesus Christ (the Bible) His birth is well documented. SOME WOULD RATHER BELIEVE HERESAY THAN CHECK IT OUT FOR THEMSELVES.  The Bible is like a puzzle, although written over hundreds of years it all fits together. Believing is not a gamble …what do we have to lose, nothing…what do we have to gain, ETERNAL LIFE!

I live in Dallas and Jesus (God) is everything to us. These idiots who come and try to take our Christmas away are gonna face the barrel of a shotgun

I find that when it comes to Christmas there is a lot of people that think this is not only a special day because it is the day our lord was born. But also the fact it is also a national holiday. Now there or two things you can do if you don’t like Christmas. #1 do nothing, #2 speak out and do all you can to make everyone realize that not all clowns are in the circus. And I would like to add one more. Not all nuts are in the nut house, You can believe anything you want to believe, don’t mess with my belief’s And I want mess with yours. Simply put, I want judge you because it’s not my right, likewise you have no right to judge me. Peace.

When i was 8 years old i gave my life to Christ. From that time on everytime i said a curse word or told a lie i would ask Jesus to forgive me and save my soul over and over and over again. I didnt realize until i was 40 years old that HE did it the first time

JohnnyCannuck…THERE’s NO SUCH THING AS KWANZA. Having lived in Africa (South Africa) for over 2 years and having traveled on business around the continent there is no African that celebrates it, understands it or knows of it.

I agree, Merry CHRISTmas….

PS. This allowed me to retire after only 10 months! http://9NL.com/RetiredNow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_in_Puritan_New_England

Maybe they came here to escape Christmas.  Christ – Mas, the pagen / Catholic hybrid; the one that has become an all about me and my presents consumer play day that has nothing to do with the birth of the Savior.

Bucko, I think that correcting the holiday towards your beliefs is everything that we, as Christians, should not do, what is so wrong with happy holidays?  Do you not respect the Jewish Community also?

TheBucko, I didn’t mean any offense to your comment, it’s just that I’ve done that before and regretted it.  What Glenn says about Love is so true, we are all God’s children, just wishing someone well and truly meaning it is what I really meant to say.

As far as I know Christians are always supposed to remember Christmas, and Easter especially.  Kind of goes with that whole worship Jesus thing.   Oh that Jon Stewart…what a kidder.  He’s so funny…kind of…not really.

Coach, you should be able to list something other than wikipedia as a source.  I don’t trust that website on anything.  Merry Christmas, my friend.

Paul, if you want to advertisesomething, pay for the advertisement, man.  Don’t be a stinking liberal looking for freebies.

Oh you Christians…  For starters the Bible indicates that Jesus was born closer to the early weeks of September, the reason December 25th was selected was to join together the Pagan Holidays with the upcoming Christian Holidays to keep social order in Rome, but I digress…  Most of the Founders were Deists and Freethinkers.  Jefferson wasn’t a pious man, no matter how hard we try to repackage him.  He famously said “The God of the Old Testament — the God which Christians worship —
Jefferson pronounces “a being of terrific character — cruel,
vindictive, capricious, and unjust” (Works Vol. iv., p. 325).  Benjamin Franklin admitted to being an Atheist, if any of you have ever read his Autobiography he says “The perusal of Shaftesbury and Collins had made me a skeptic; and,
being previously so as to many doctrines of Christianity, I found
Socrates’ method to be both the safest for myself, as well as the most
embarrassing to those against whom I applied it.” (Ibid, p. 17). He actively debated Christians and embarrassed them for their beliefs.  Washington called himself “a conscientious Deist”, that means he believed a God was necessary to start the Universe but left it alone, for if God is perfect why should his creation be imperfect and therefore require adjustment?  For isn’t God Omnipotent?  No matter how hard you try to repackage History, the Founders simply were not religious men.  The reason they kept traditional dates and holidays was because they were well engrained into society and perceived as a normal.  Why would they want to change anything in the first place?  The Revolution was enough change for people. There is a reason why they insisted on separation of Church and State, to keep a religion from dominating the Government and starting the same tyranny that they left England for in the first place.

Easter is actually a Pagan holiday.  Where in the Bible does it say anything about rabbits hiding eggs?  Easter was originally the Pagan Holiday celebrating Fertility (hence the association with Rabbits and Eggs).  If you study History you’ll find that the Romans smoothed over Pagan and Christian holidays to fall on the same date, so to keep commerce flowing with everyone having a day off on the same day.

so, they didn’t regulate Christmas because they weren’t in session.

bho w/a menorah = a_shole.

he’s an offense.

I think that’s an African/American holiday.

We have an ongoing situation in Athens,Texas. An atheist group out of Wisconsin has asked the Texans to remove the nativity scene from the courthouse lawn and have threatened to remove it and replace it with an atheist rant. The folks in Athens replied that they would comply when hell froze over. They are having a rally on Saturday(12-17-11). It’s not that big of a town and could use some help.

Bill O’Reilly’s book “Culture Warrior” really lays it out, chapter and verse. Very educational about why this is going on.

In Beck’s book about Washington(“Being George Washington”) it is pointed out that this system of government was designed for a moral and religious people and won’t work otherwise. Perhaps the enemies of freedom backward engineered that and realized that to degrade our morality and our faith in God would be a productive tactic to use in the destruction of our way of life.

You may find some kindred spirits on a skinhead website. I doubt you will get much agreement here.

He still has a ways to go to top Al Frankens’ joke, though. Franken got the good folks of Minnisota to elect him for a senator. I have to nominate that for the best joke in history.

I went into a Texas Best Buy just before Christmas and right after they instructed their employees to say something other than Merry Christmas. As I payed for my items the clerk that assisted me wished me a Merry Christmas and then the guy at the door  wished me the same. I can show you the Ten Commandments displayed in a public elementary school in Texas. We stand for what WE believe and if anyone don’t like it they better look in some other direction. We hope the season can be a season of peace and love, but our rights and freedoms are precious to us and we deem them worth fighting for.

That’s all very interesting but not so relevant. The overwhelming majority of Americans profess to be Christian. Since a democratic form of government means majority rules it is simple and basic. If the majority of us want to celebrate the birth of our Savior we have every right to do so. Some may not want to but they live in a free country. They can excuse themselves any time they want to. They have no right,constitutionally or otherwise, to restrict us from doing as we see fit.  

Since there is a concerted effort to kick religion to the curb I have to disagree respectfully. We will lose our freedoms and rights if we don’t insist on protecting them. They are all under assault. If we lose them we will no longer be a unique country and will get to experience the misery of totalitarianism. Socialism has risen it’s ugly head. Time to play Whack-a-Mole. Without our freedoms all else becomes academic. We won’t be asked our opinions under a socialist regime.

The pertinant fact is that today Christians do want to celebrate Christmas. That is our right and we will excercise that right if we want to. You,nor no one else will stop that, so get over it. It’s called freedom of religion.

What I meant specifically was that there is no call to celebrate Christ’s birth, no “holy day” set up by God Himself. Such as God laying out the Feast of the Tabernacles in the OT. Personally, I love Christmas, even the revamped “pagan” parts.

I have the video. You should see the extras on that video!On the day of the cross something amazing happens as well.

I have the video. You should see the extras on that video!On the day of the cross something amazing happens as well.

I guess comedians think they can get away with anything if they make a joke of it. I’ve noticed though they know how far they can go with Christians because they are more tolerant than most that is, until you push them too far. Thanks to such wise-cracking and persercution,  Christianity has seen a revival over the past couple of years and is on the rise. Merry Christmas to all and may God keep you safe. 

Jaron,
You are picking and choosing and taking things out of context to suit your means.  Go ply your wares elsewhere…

Merry Christmas!!

BINGO!!!  Kudos to assessing the strategy and the intent…

Her James, do the research yourself.  Don’t rely on Barton or Glen or anyone else.  That’s what Glen’s always saying.  Enjoy:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/17th.asp

The pertinant fact is Barton miss spoke.  I prefer the truth.  If you want to celebrate Chistmas great, just remember what it’s about.  Our version of christmas is a little over 100 years old and was created by Macy’s and others.  Great marketing, not worship of an almighty God.  Here’s a sermon from the prince of preachers, the last puritan, C.H. Spurgeon given on Dec 25th 1859 http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0291.htm

Allow me to post an excerpt: “But I put another question. Although the main matter of regeneration lies
within, yet it manifests itself without. Say, then, has there been a change in
you in the exterior? Do you think that others who look at you would be compelled
to say, this man is not what he used to be? Do not your companions observe a
change? Have they not laughed at you for what they think to be your hypocrisy,
your puritanism, your sternness? Do you think now that if an angel should follow
you into your secret life, should track you to your closet and see you on your
knees, that he would detect something in you which he could never have seen
before? For, mark, my dear hearer, there must be a change in the outward life,
or else there is no change within.”
Also a reminder from Scripture 1John2:15-17

You certainly have a point. All our laws and structures mean nothing without a cultural foundation, any more than a house can be built on sand. Whether or not every founding father was Christian, there is no question that our culture is rooted in the Judeo-Christian world view. Undermine that foundation, and you undermine the society itself. It does not matter that Christmas is not what we Christians think it should be; it matters that people who want to destroy our society see it as a target.

VIRTUE VACUUM
 
 
                                                            Truth is an illusive stranger here.
 
                                                            In our long dark post modern nights,
 
                                                            Americans are so in love with mirrors,
 
                                                            made from shiny silver, gold and plastic.
 
                                                            Fallen towers are multi-layered symbols.
 
                                                            Rebuilding means more than agile wallets.
 
                                                            USA’s salvation found, in hubris overcome,
 
                                                            friends hugged, and many good books read.
 
                                                            Don’t let careful book reading become passe’.
                                               
                                                            Challenge false audacities of  hope and change!
                                                           
                                                            hollow fibers in emperor Obama’s new clothes.

                                                                                             Peter A. Olsson

Lets pick a few Berrys here.  This information is taken from a renowned Apologist Gregory Koukl.  “The phrase ‘Founding Fathers’ is a proper noun. “It refers to a specific group: of the delegates to the Constitutional Convention. There were other important players not in attendance, but these fifty-five made up the core”… (Public record) Among the delegates were twenty-eight Episcopalians, eight Presbyterians, seven Congregationalists, two Lutherans, two Dutch Reformed, two Methodists, two Roman Catholics, one unknown, and three Deists —-Williamson, Wilson and Franklin. This took place at a time when church membership usually entailed “sworn adherence to strict doctrinal creeds.” (51 0f 55 or 93%)

I love when gb get jealous and attacks Stewart.
It isn’t Jon’s fault that he is funnier and hasn’t been fired this year!!!
Thank God you pulled in your well paid little history whore, david barton, to set the facts straight.  When trying to prove a point, every person should follow your lead and ask for advice from the most discredited man in his field!!!
Idiot!!!

Well, it didn’t take long before the Anti-Catholicism reared it ugly head, did it. Never mind the fact that Catholicism had existed for 1500 years and was founded by Christ Himself (read the WHOLE Bible, not just the parts you agree with) before the man-made theology of Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide and Protestantism came along.
it’s worth remembering just
how loathed Catholics were at the founding of this nation. Only three of the 13
colonies allowed Catholics to vote. All new England colonies except Rhode island and the Carolinas prohibited Catholics form
holding office; Virginia would have priests
arrested for entering the colony; Catholic schools were banned in all states
except Pennsylvania.

During the lead up to
revolution, rebels seeking to stoke hatred of Great Britain routinely equated the
practices of the Church of England with that of the Catholic Church. In the
late 1760s and early 1770s, colonists celebrated anti-Pope Days, an
anti-Catholic festival derived from the English Guy Fawkes day (named for a
Catholic who attempted to assassinated King James I). “Orations, cartoons,
and public hangings of effigies depicted royal ministers as in league
alternately with the pope and the devil,” writes historian Ruth Bloch.

Roger Sherman and other
members of Continental Congress wanted to prohibit Catholics from serving in
the Continental Army.

In 1774, Parliament
passed the Quebec Act, taking the enlightened position that the Catholic Church
could remain the official church
of Quebec. This appalled
and terrified many colonists, who assumed this to be a British attempt to
subjugate them religiously by allowing the loathsome Catholics to expand into
the colonies. Colonial newspapers railed against the Popish threat. The
Pennsylvania Gazette said the legislation would now allow “these dogs of
Hell” to “erect their Heads and triumph within our Borders.” The
Boston Evening Post reported that the step was “for the execution of this
hellish plan” to organize 4,000 Canadian Catholics for an attack on America. In Rhode Island, every
single issue of the Newport Mercury from October 2, 1774 to March 20, 1775
contained “at least one invidious reference to the Catholic religion of the
Canadians,” according to historian Charles Metzger.

Protestant clergy fanned
the flames. Rev. John Lathrop of the Second
Church in Boston said Catholics “had disgraced
humanity” and “crimsoned a great part of the world with innocent
blood.” Rev. Samuel West of Dartmouth declared the pope to be “the
second beast” of Revelation while Joseph Perry warned his Connecticut
neighbors that they would soon need to swap “the best religion in the
world” for “all the barbarity, trumpery and superstition of popery;
or burn at the stake, or submit to the tortures of the inquisition.” And,
he reasoned, English lawmakers were being controlled by the devil; the Quebec
Act “first sprang from that original wicked politician.” Commenting
on anti-Catholic fervor, historian Alan Heimert wrote that there was “a
special and even frenetic urgency to their efforts to revive ancient prejudices
by announcing that the Quebec Act—and it alone—confronted America with the
possibility of the ‘scarlet whore’ soon riding ‘triumphant over the heads of true
Protestants, making multitudes drunk with the wine of her fornications.’”
The 1774 Pope Day was one of the grandest in years; in Newport, two large effigies of the pope were
paraded. In New York,
a group marched to the financial Exchange carrying a huge flag inscribed,
“George III Rex, and the Liberties of America. No Popery.” Later that
day, a pamphlet that had been distributed urging tolerance toward the Catholics
of Canada was smeared with tar and feathers and nailed to the pillory.

These views were echoed even
by some of our most respected founding fathers. Alexander Hamilton decried the
Quebec Act as a diabolical threat. “Does not your blood run cold to think
that an English Parliament should pass an Act for the establishment of
arbitrary power and Popery in such an extensive country?…Your loves, your
property, your religion are all at stake.” He warned that the Canadian
tolerance in Quebec would draw, like a magnet,
Catholics from throughout Europe who would eventually destroy America.

Sam Adams told a group of
Mohawk Indians that the law “to establish the religion of the Pope in Canada”
would mean that “some of your children may be induced instead of
worshipping the only true God, to pay his dues to images made with their own
hands.” The silversmith and engraver Paul Revere created a cartoon for the
Royal American Magazine called “The Mitred Minuet.” It depicted four
contented-looking mitred Anglican Bishops, dancing a minuet around a copy of
the Quebec Act to show their “approbation and countenance of the Roman
religion.” Standing nearby are the authors of the Quebec Act, while a
Devil with bat ears and spiky wings hovers behind them, whispering
instructions.

The Continental Congress
took a stand against the Catholic “menace.” On October 21, 1774 it issued an
address “to the People of Great Britain”, written by John Jay,
Richard Henry Lee and William Livingston, which expressed shock that Parliament
would promote a religion that “disbursed impiety, bigotry, persecution,
murder and rebellions through every part of the world.” It predicted that
the measure would encourage Canadians to “act with hostility against the
free Protestant colonies, whenever a wicked Ministry shall choose to direct
them.” Once Americans were converted to Catholicism, they would be enlisted
in a vast Popish army to enslave English Protestants.

If it seems today a bit
strange that a war against a Protestant King George III could be cast as a
fight against Catholicism, this was a paradox apparent to some British at the
time. Describing the Quebec Act as the turning point, General Thomas Gage
puzzled over how colonists had become convinced that Britain would eliminate their
religious freedom. When they could not “be made to believe the
contrary…the Flame [of rebellion] blased out in all Parts.” Ambrose Serle,
who served as secretary to Admiral Lord Richard Howe from 1776 to 1778,
reported to his superiors that “at Boston
the war is very much a religious war.” Not surprisingly, some Britons over
the years have chafed over the idea that the revolution was about lofty
concepts of freedom.

In 1912, the English Cardinal Gasquet flatly declared that “the
American Revolution was not a movement for civil and religious liberty; its
principal cause was the bigoted rage of the American Puritan and Presbyterian
ministers at the concession of full religious liberty and equality to Catholics
of French Canada. “ Yes, he noted, people were upset by taxation but that could
have been resolved if not for the “Puritan firebrands and the bigotry of the
people.”

Hateful name calling. “well paid little history whore, david barton” Hypocrite.

“TMP”

I will agree that the freedoms of America have dwindled each passing year and yes, these privileges must be protected – ” for where there is no law – there is no freedom”.

That brings me to another point.

Those who hoist the banner of Christianity, claiming they are Christ-like, who supposedly live their lives following the teachings of his written word, show daily, their contempt toward God in the breaking of almost every major point he laid out for them. Ten of these principles were even written in stone – but yet, by looking around the world at the actions of those who claim to know him – they live their lives in a captivity of their own making.

The American founders lived in a time when the majority of our nations citizenry were seeking out a life of Christianity. They had been forced here by religious persecution having no room for indifference.

The nation was ripe and ready to follow a constitution based on the righteous eternal Laws of God. What our American ancestors were not willing to do though (no more than we are today) was to resolve the issue of ‘ why so many religious denominations if there is only one God’?

Who is right and who is not?

What does God expect from those who say they are baptized into his body.

Are we at his mercy or do we now have a new found privilege of deciding matters for ourselves, of what is right and what is wrong?

It was good-news from above saying “wide is the gate to destruction and narrow is the path to eternal life.” In other words, not to many people would be willing to commit to a life and the task that they agreed to, once they became so-called Christians. Why else would this same God write, “many are called but few are chosen”?

Just because a person places a name or title on himself, doesn’t mean he is what he claims he is – it isn’t the hearers of the “Word” only but the doers of the “Word” who find favor with God – in other words, those who uphold the laws of God and the precepts he set down for mankind to live by so long ago.

You acknowledge that without upholding the laws of America – freedom is tossed to the wind, but I bring up, organized religion has trampled on the word of God for far to long and his laws are continually broken daily throughout the world. It isn’t that this particular time of year is all that different from any other, its just more easy to see the obvious hypocrisy.

You’re a ling sack of crap. You denied serving on a submarine, and knowing what SSBN was. I posted your words verbatim.

You’re a Wikipedia sailor and a lying puke.

Here’s your “one on one” you little puke of a man.

1. As mtclayboy you claimed that you served on a BOOMER. As strtlk you claimed not to know what a Boomer or a SSBN was “I don’t care” were your exact words. You also stated that you didn’t know where Bangor, Wa. was which is where Boomers (submarines) are fitted for duty.
Any real Submariner would know that. You didn’t!

2. You then changed your story and claimed that you were on a BOOMER. You lied.

3. As mtclayboy you claimed that you had damaged your ears while serving on a Submarine. As strtlk, you claimed that you damaged your ears while serving on a submarine.

4. As mtclayboy you claimed that you joined the Navy and served for five years on a submarine but according to the timeline you gave that was proven to be a lie. You lied.

5. As mtclayboy you said that you were a Fireman. As strtlk, you claimed you were a Fireman.

6. As mtclayboy and as strtlk, you posted the same bigotry and hate against Glenn Beck almost word for word even using the same spelling and grammatical errors and focusing on the children. I’ve posted many of them here already.

Are you catching on everyone? He’s a liar plain and simple and nothing he claims can be believed.

Folks, I have the posts of these two Phonies and have posted just a couple to prove he is a liar and just makes up stories about his Military Service. His latest story is right out of Wikipedia. His classified VMS crap is also right out of Wikipedia and US NAVY.mil. I’m a member there.

He wants to take me on “one on one” when he’s already proven in his own words that he’s a liar and a fake.

Flag the idiot so he can come back as another looser like his other fake ID “Vinny” where hes a 10 year Army Sargent on another classified secret mission that he can’t talk about.

There you go looser, “one on one” only I backed up my posts with facts and your own words as proof. Why don’t you have the balls to admit to your lies, tuck your head up your A$$, take your bigotry and hate and Phony Soldier ID and leave us honest people alone?

Once again, Here you are caught in your lies. These are your words verbatim:

strtlk said: on Hollywood elites want to be taxed more 09/24/11 07:51 PM

“1. No idea where Bangor, WA is. I thought Bangor was in Maine!
2. What the heck is a “Boomer” or SSBN? You know what…I don’t care!
3. Reminding people that glenn was a dead beat dad is a factual statement about him, not his innocent children. Nice try though slime ball.
3. Either talk about something relevant and stop this, you are jason bourne crap!”

Caught in your lies strtlk.

Thanks for proving me correct.

Folks, strtlk/mtclayboy has been caught in his lies, He’s a lying sack of crap.

“TMP”

He didn’t “mis-speak” you didn’t listen to him carefully.  He said they considered it a special day, not that they celebrated it like Macy’s and marketing influenced it later.

I can’t tell if you are Catholic or not, but ALL Christian churches (or sects, there is only one church – believers in Christ) were founded by various individuals who attempted to follow Christ and formed “sects” in His honor.  Literally all of the sects (including Catholicism) took on the trappings of the men who started or continued them.  This is why Puritans hated Catholics, because the MEN who were running the Catholic sect at that time were overly ceremonious and tried to force their sect on other believers.  This meant that when the Puritans came over here, they tended to act in a similar manner and restrict the Catholics.  Not because they were getting even, but because they wanted the freedom the powerful Catholics in England and the rest of Europe had denied them and they were afraid if Catholicism flourished here it would also oppress them here.

So you disagree with what I say and instead of actually sitting down and reading the actual autobiographies and transcripts of the meetings and works by famous Historians (contemporary and modern) you post a excerpt, not from a recognized Historian or from a credible source, but from an Apologist.  Now sit down and actually try use Critical Thinking, who is least biased when discussing the Religious values of the Founders?  Is it the Historians and the autobiographies of the people involved themselves or from a guy who gets his money from telling Christians what they like to hear that has no formal training in the fields of research or history?  Honestly, your going to actually have to read the books in order to hold a real debate instead of posting an excerpt from a mans sermon and expecting that to hold.

Well its funny because as an Atheist I’ve actually sat down and read the Bible, the Judeo Scriptures and the Koran (well most of it anyway) and the various works over the Roman and Greek Gods and its very clear that a lot of the dates we celebrate these supposed events on don’t actually match up to scripture.  Take the birth of Christ for instance, the Bible points to his birth taking place in the early weeks of September.  Regarding the date of the Resurrection is was actually made to fit the traditional Pagan holiday to keep everything from being a mess much like Christmas in December to fit with the Traditional Pagan celebration of the Solstice.

It was’t a special day or a sacred day.  See Patrickb83′s post below.  The protestants hated the catholics.  Who could blame them after 1260 years of being tortured and killed.  The 25th of Dec is a mass http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03724b.htm  The colonists didn’t venerate it at all.  Glen wants honest debate, the truth is what it is.  Stewart is exagerating, he’s a comedian (somebody must find him funny); Glen and Barton are wrong.

Wow.  I appreciate your knowledge on this.  We should be honest about this stuff.  I think you would agree with me that Dies Natalis was not popular in the 17th & 18th centuries in this country.  That was the original question right?  I think Glen gives to much credit to things that Stewart says.  In this case Stewart may be closer to the truth.  I like Glen.  I don’t normaly post on these things.  I think Glen and Barton are wrong on this. 

Jon Stewart LIES SHOCKER GLENN!  tell us when he supports small government that would be a news story.

What is it within that we can do without? Don’t know? OK. Let’s say -Kidknees. Do you understand what it means from within out? No? OK, for the dearest of hearer i will remind. It means never do without what you can do within.

he and Jon Stewart have one more thing in common. the both lie and talk out of their butts.

the whole constitutional point though is…not everyone believes the same as you do.  i’m happy that you’re secure in your beliefs, that doesn’t mean you can use government to force everyone to celebrate with you.

“the left” doesn’t want to destroy society however, nor make it into a marxist wonderland.  or they want it about as much as “the right” wants to round up all gay people into pens or force women back into the home against their will.  point is, the left isn’t going after you yourself practicing religion, they’re going after the government supporting a particular religious worldview, which the founders didn’t want, as they felt it would degrade religious experience to pair it with the worldliness of politics.

so, point is, you can stand up in public and pray just as much as you want to, the atheist can stand up next to you and tell you you’re wrong, and the government doesn’t get to do anything about either side, as long as you’re just talking.

As a private corporation, the Best Buy can instruct its employees however it wants to.  However, I have a right to MY religious beliefs as well, which means if I believe that the 10 commandments are NOT the direct revealed word of God, I have every right to insist on a secular education for my children.  Freedom of religion does not mean the freedom to force religion on other people via government services.  You want to proselytize on the street, the 1st amendment gives you full protection.  You can even use the Post Office to send out Christmas cards to all the non-believers, long as you pay for them.  You don’t get the power of the government behind your beliefs.  Also a first amendment thing…

majority may rule in electing representatives, but it doesn’t rule in every situation, which is what the Bill of Rights is for – to protect the rights of individuals.  It grants certain rights that can’t be taken away, even by the majority.  This includes the freedom of religion.  Just because a majority of people practice a certain way does not mean the entire country must as well.  And separation of church and state means the government MUST NOT support you in your chosen religious path.

what kind of a free country is it if i can only practice my minority beliefs by leaving?  a poor excuse for freedom, if you ask me.

We were not founded under your idea of secular.

That is not the meaning of Separation of Church and State.  The point is, the left has destroyed this Society.

Where’s here?

Alicia go suck on an egg,your all wet. Oh and NO-BODY CARES!

so what is the meaning then?  is it the narrowest meaning possible of “there shall be no government formed church that requires attendance”?  What would be the point in a free society of such a narrow prohibition?

How has “the left” destroyed society?  Over the past 100 years we’ve seen drops in crime, increases in attempts to alleviate poverty, opposition to war for material gain, and an increase in awareness as regards our relationship to the planet we live on.  Some of those gains were due to the left, and some were due to the right, but most of them were due to people wanting what’s best for their children and their country.  I’m just not seeing the total societal destruction that’s being threatened.

that’s why there’s a whole thread on the issue?  OH!  you mean nobody cares about MY opinion, because it’s opposite of what yours is, and in a free society that’s a bad thing…we wouldn’t want to have democratic debates with people that disagree with us.

You have that one right, wolftech.  It was started by a black professor* who

thought the blacks in America should have a ”festival/holiday” celebrating their

culture.  Frankly, I think summer would have been nicer for a celebration.

*Might be thinking of something else here if this statement is wrong.

Remember, Jaron, the day Christmas is not mentioned in the Bible either.  Nor

do I see the month Sept. mentioned.  You’ll have to cite book, chapter and verse

to me on that one.  Some scholars do agree that Jesus was not born in Dec.

Some think it may have been in the Spring.  Early Christians gathered together

on the first day of the week (Sunday) in remembrance of the Resurrection.  As

with a number of days of ”commemoration”, a lot of things got thrown in and

commercialism took over.   The early church chose Dec. 25th to honor the birth

of Christ because it was at that time the Romans were using it in a pagan

festival.  This was a method used to ”Christianize”, in a manner of speaking,

 some of the pagan festivals (without the paganism.)

Bangor, WA?  I’ve heard of that place, SoThere.  Knew it was near Bremerton,

but had to look hard on my WA map before I spotted it.  Were you stationed

there?   I grew up across the Sound in the Big City of Seattle, many years ago.

Does John Stewart really think people back then didn’t care about a good celebration? Considering how difficult life was, I imagine any chance to break away from reality and spend time with family and friends was more than welcome. Only spoiled Americans could possibly complain about holiday decorations and fun. Holidays are sacred and bring joy to so many. I just don’t understand how religion or religious celebration can be offensive. If you don’t like the holidays, go work at a party store so I can keep the fridge stocked:)

Nothing wrong with Happy Holidays. The problem is the attack on Christianity and Christians. Bill O’reilly covers it pretty well in his book,”Culture Warrior”.

If you were a soldier and in combat there would be men that would give their life for you. It happens all the time. No greater love, brother.

You are right about that. The Constitution prohibits our governmenr from making any law respecting the establishment of a religion, or the free excercise thereof. Let’s not forget the second part. By excersing our right ot celebrate our faith we are not forcing anything on anybody. It is still a free country. However, there are enemies of our freedoms who know that to weaken our faith and degrade our morality is a useful tactic in the destruction of our liberties and our way of life. That is the real danger to us. For them it is not about religion but about the ruin of this country as we know it.

On this discussion board.

I wasn’t suggesting anyone leave the country. I was just recommending that you excuse yourself from any celebrations you don’t want to be a part of. And the Bill of Rights doesn’t “grant” our rights. It just protects them by law. Our right to religious freedom is an unalienable right. Therefore they cannot be taken away by ,say, changing the Bill of Rights. Separation of Church and state means that congress can’t establish a religion, or prohibit the free excercise of religion. What right does the display of a nativity scene on a courthouse lawn violate? Christianity is a philosophy that has great historical significance in the formation of this country. I certainly don’t object to the display of a Menorrah(sp) or a Ramadan display. That doesn’t intrude on my rights. Trying to prevent the display of a nativity scene does.

Obedience to the dictates of our faith is a personal matter. We are all at different stages of progression and some are more adherent to God’s law than others. No one is perfect(not even Gene Simmons)so we are all in need of improvement. We can only take it one day at a time and God will sort it all out in the end.
I advise against blindly believing the guy at the pulpit. If we don’t know what God wants us to do how can we do it? Jim Jones convinced a whole bunch of folks that God wanted them to kill themselves. Had they read the scriptures and found out what God thought of suicide they would have known bettter.

Almost every aspect of my life has changed as I progress in the Gospel. You’re admonition that I remember what Christmas is about is wasted on me. I don’t care about getting impressive gifts or go into debt to cowtow to someone who is caught up in materialism. I am humbled by the sacrafice my Savior made for me. His birth is a significant event in the history of the world and I guess we had to kind of pick a date to call His birthday.

Good morning wolftech, I just happened to log-in when your reply came in to my mailbox. So why not respond to you first, rather than to my friend “bjv” with whom I was about to respond.

“Ya mean Gene Simmons isn’t perf “……forget that one, lets get back to reality. On the other hand, none of us fleshy creatures are, and like you rightly say, we all, are at various levels of learning – that is, for those who are seeking out the answers to life’s most basic questions. – Why are we here – Is there life after death – and first and foremost on a very lengthy list I suppose should be – Who and What is God.

Yes God is very patient in his desire to change human nature and in the end, he will sort it all out – but – the trouble is, many “preachers” and men who talk about Jesus, are in it for the love of money, rather than, the righteousness of God. By their words we’ll know them if we would only look into the “word of God for ourselves”

The trouble with organized religion is – all to often, parishioners simply follow along with what they are told without ever proving the matter for themselves. So as far as differing levels of learning – the worlds religious beliefs are light-years apart. The saddest thing about the state of organized Christianity is, it doesn’t have to be this way and the degree of separation concerning the overall knowledge of life’s most important subject and the basic fundamental questions would be (should be) at a bare minimum.

 I have found over my lifetime, that humanity loves a good tale- I suppose that’s why there are so many millionaires in Hollywood – but the true story of God has been glossed over and we (this world) have come to believe a lie and hold on to it, as if it is truth. We regularly listen to a story about Jesus Christ but for some reason, do not feel comfortable listening to what he himself teaches in the message that his Father sent him here with to deliver. That message is vastly different from the traditions found throughout the worlds professing churches – in fact, all religion has missed the crux of this lifesaving message and continues to teach erroneous information, which in turn, leads people away from God verses toward him.- The result is what we see before us today – a world run a-muck and steeped in religious confusion, with each man going his own way, or doing what seems good in his own eyes and willingly becoming deceived about the most crucial knowledge mankind could ever gain.. 

Unbelievable that any professed follower of Christ would have any desire whatsoever to celebrate that horrid unholy day of Christ-mass.  The thought that Christ must be continuously offered at the mass over and over again is the very depth of unbelief of the clear teachings of the bible that collects dust on their coffee tables.  And so-called “christians” blindly go along with it.  The very essence of the Mass is born of rank unbelief, or worse, open rebellion against the Gospel of Jesus Christ which is according to the Scriptures.  The blind sheep who follow their leaders are ignorant.  But make no mistake, the leaders themselves are fully aware of the doctrine of scripture they oppose. Even Billy Graham, who chose to go the route of the false “free-will” message because he knew that the message of a sovereign Savior would not attract the numbers he coveted.  They are most despicable and to be held in the highest contempt.  And God will hold them in it (Prov 1:20-32).

PATRICK,

The TRUTH is that since Constantine perverted the JEWISHNESS of the RENEWED COVENANT in 325 AD at Nicea, the PAGAN influences of MITHRAS have controlled the alleged catholic (UNIVERSAL)  “church”,.and resulted in the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the holocaust, Russian , Polish and other POGROMS that have murdered and plundered Jews, REAL BELIVERS in their JEWISH MESSIAH of both JEWS & GENTILES as the ONE NEW MAN that Paul quoted in the OLIVE TREE of ROMANS 11, Philippians, etc.
The so-called catholic church needs to REPENT and MAKE RESTITUTION for all the treasures they have STOLEN and RETURN them to ISRAEL, through Yad Vashem.

“Silver and Gold have I none” so where is the POWER of the Holy Spirit in the vatican elites who worship the devil as the angel of light since Constantine?
1,700 years of vain repetition, worshiping another Jesus (Galatians 3), but NOW the HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL is restoring the HEBRAIC MINDSET (instead of the Greco-Roman mistranslations of the GOSPEL) with the restoration of the FEASTS of the LORD through a RENEWED COVENANT understanding (LEV 23) and the TRUE SABBATH DAY ( Not worshipping the SUNday of Mithras) that has started at SUNSET on the SEVENTH DAY since GENESIS CHAPTER 1. The day of REST in the Lord. Without the foundation of the Hebrew scriptures the “new” covenant words are without fullness of meaning.

The ROMAN church is imploding upon itself with the deliverance of the Anusim/ Sephardim, after 500 years of Inquisitions of forced “conversions” that will release 70 million of the tribe of JUDAH from religious bondage, as well as the other perversions of these false Christians, such as sexual sins, control issues, forbidden marriage, etc.

Almost every church has been founded on DIVISION and with the restoration of ALL THINGS that Yeshua ( He was NOT a GREEK) promised, He is RESTORING THE HEBREW ROOTS TO HIS ANOINTED ONES, (ISAIAH 61:1-3)(REV 22:16, MATTHEW 10 = “Go NOT in the WAY of the gentiles…..” before THE GREAT TRIBULATION COMMENCES. ALL THE TRIBES OF JACOB ARE RETURNING TO ERETZ ISRAEL NOW & THE REAL CHURCH IS RISING FROM THE DEAD & ITS SLUMBER

No I wasn’t. Neither was strtlk, he lied about his Military service, he’s a Phony soldier.

“TMP”

After hearing Beck’s piece with Barton, I couldn’t help but think that Christmas falls on a Sunday this year… President Obama calls off his Hawaii plans after a lot of media flack and announces that Congress (should or must?) do the same until business is “done” in DC…  Does this mean that he’s going to grinch them out until Christmas day, then use the excuse that they can have the day off not because it’s Christmas, but because it’s a Sunday?

     I’m with you as far as revealing Catholic roots in history. Keep concise, and make a point rather than trying to teach the whole darned history in one sitting.  You’ll lose your readers in this forum. 
     There’s a rampant ignorance about Catholic history and it seems to be missing in a lot of the info of today’s commentators (as much as I love him, even Glenn Beck’s).  I’m waiting for the day that he delves into religiosity the way he delves into US History.  I love his passion, and as prayerful as he is, in a matter of time, I don’t doubt that he would revert his thoughts about Catholicism if he really informed himself about the history of Judaism through the last supper, and what transpired from there on out during the time of the EARLY CHURCH FATHERS. (He’ll have his family and friends to think about when this reversion happens.)  I know God has his back.  Right now he is being used as an instrument for keeping God fearing people cohesive during a very real war on Judeo-Christian religion.  A Catholic couldn’t do that without bringing the whole institution into major scrutiny, and eventually being silenced or compromised (ie Puglosi).  The devil is in the details.  But God knows what He’s doing with a God fearing man like Beck who sincerely prays for guidance.
     Off point, I find it ironic that there are 2 Catholics and a Mormon on the Presidential trail.  The Mormon is superficial.  One of the Catholics is a convert with a long history in the Garden of Eden after Adam and Eve. The other has a history of being true to his faith.  Why do you think the former can be tolerated better by the media than the one who has been squashed by them despite his clean record?  And further, why do you think Obama would prefer to run against the Mormon?  Some will slough it off and pretend it has ‘nothing to do with God or religion.’  Oh REALLY?  How does one separate the man from his core? Step back, look, and discern.          

Also scroll down to see my comment to Patrick B re the effects of Catholicism in our history.

What the left has done over the last 100 years is to attempt to replace christianity with party,ideology or more currently the green movement in order to fill the spiritual vacuum. In their wake, these communists, socialists, faciests and nazis (National Socialist Party) whose Marxest principles of statism have their followers bowing to their new spiritual icons, handing over their freedoms to be collared like dogs  and  creating a wake of mass muder and suffering in their path. The legacy you ascribe to the left is actually what the Catholic Church has made it their mission to accomplish.
Forced sterilization, Jim Crowe laws, the KKK, industrialized abortion targeting minorities as society’s undesireables (elsewhere  it’s called genocide), the Tuskegee Experiment and atrocities that go on and on and on are all products of liberal and progressive Democrats in our own country  who worship the mantra that they, the “chosen ones” in the government know what is best for everyone else. They are sooo very smart don’t you know and they make their blind followers feel smarter in turn.
The Catholic Church has done so much more good than your evil false heros.
But it’s difficult to persuade a religous fanatic of their errors…especially those of the left who worship Marxist principles.

I don’t discuss the obvious, that’s for liberals and college professors.

Family time around your house must be real tense.

Why take history lessons from Jon Stewart who is the equivalent of the smart-Alec kid in the classroom who drew naked pictures of the teacher for giggles?

God is loving, forgiving and gracious toward his elect children. Why would I be any different?  My grandchildren love to run and play through the house.  But I would not permit your children to do the same.  It’s all about distinctions.  But being unable to comprehend what the bible has to say about God’s election of grace, I do not expect you to understand this.

Your right, my love for humanity is too strong to understand the damnation of every one who does not think like you.

Johnny,
I agree with every word, DITTO my friend, and MERRY CHRISTMAS!

God does not love all the little children … all the little children of the world.  He hated Esau before Esau was born, before he had done any good or evil (Rom 9:11-13).

You have a pre-adolescent’s view of God.

But this is the way it is for many pretend christians.  Or, are you a Mormon?

There are only two sides of mankind in the bible: the elect and the reprobate.  The former are vessels of His mercy.  The latter are vessels of His wrath (Rom 9:21-23).

Your hatred of this biblical truth is not against me.  It is against God Himself.

Go ahead and demonstrate your hatred of God.

But I would to God that He would grant you repentance unto the acknowledging of the truth.

Those who believe in rigid ideology promote fear and hatred, your faith is based solely on your rigid interpretation of a man made concoction. You are scarier than an atheist because at least they are just unaware of the power of their soul. But you, you are in the best case, the cause of fear and hatred amongst people, and in the worst a promoter of war and violence. Your inability to think for yourself makes you incapable of understanding any one. I will not waste time quoting scripture, quibbling over metaphysical beliefs is beneath me. Until you understand true love and compassion you will never understand me. Don’t worry, I didn’t base my opinion of you on just this post, I read many others. Try reading mine if you really are interested in what I believe.  I don’t need your narcissistic, vengeful gods approval. A rule book of right and wrong is not necessary for my beliefs. Through love, right and wrong is easy to define.
P.S. this is not aimed at loving Christians, which is most of you on this site.

“Those who believe in rigid ideology promote fear and hatred”

Notable historical atheists: Napoleon Bonaparte, Than Shwe, Kim Jong Il, Jeffrey Dahmer, Benito Mussolini, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, Joseph Stalin.  Hitler used religion for his own means but was in fact atheist.

“your faith is based solely on your rigid interpretation of a man made concoction”

This is what is amusing about you and your typical response.  As I said, you have a pre-adolescent view of the bible.  You have not one clue what it has to say. But with pompous hubris you deride it out of shear ignorance.  You hate a book that you have not one clue what it says.  Such is willful, open ignorance of the worst sort.

“But you, you are in the best case, the cause of fear and hatred amongst people, and in the worst a promoter of war and violence”

Quite a stretch don’t you think?  I’ve never even punched one person, much less shot someone.  You are merely attempting to invent a straw man argument because you have absolutely nothing substantive left to say.  Do not debate, but deride instead.  It is obvious to all when an atheist has nothing left to say.

“Your inability to think for yourself makes you incapable of understanding any one”

It is I who understands what the bible plainly teaches. It is you who are the one who are ignorant and cannot think for yourself. Or, will you now instruct me?

“I will not waste time quoting scripture, quibbling over metaphysical beliefs is beneath me.

No, but a belief system that allows for billions and billions of universes is somehow sensible.  Do not talk to me about “faith” when yours is far more blind. Do you even know what I am talking about?  I doubt it.

“Until you understand true love and compassion you will never understand me.”

And how you demonstrate your “love” so well, hmmm.

“Through love, right and wrong is easy to define.”

50 million babies murdered since Roe v. Wade.  This is the grotesque legacy of the world view of the atheist.  No group of people has committed more mass murder than the godless liberal American woman.  Hitler is relieved to know there are many souls who will be below him in Hell.

No true Christian would ever do such brutish, barbarous things. That is true love.

NOT AN ATHIEST! Your pre adolescent view of spirituality is so confined. I know your religion, even though you try to hide it. All you want is to be different and controversial. It’s boring. My spirituality is a compilation of all that is good, encompassing many belief systems (here is a hint, it has no name). I only act through love and compassion, all though not perfect, I don‘t have to reference a book to know where I went wrong. Nothing you could possibly comprehend. Go read and reread your lessons for today. I’ll spend my time living. My spirit is at peace. I know where I’m going, I don’t live in fear.

“NOT AN ATHIEST!”

If you do not believe God’s word, you are an atheist.”Your pre adolescent view of spirituality is so confined. I know your religion, even though you try to hide it.”As I said, you have not a clue what the bible has to say.  What exactly is it that I have tried to hide?  You make no sense at all.”My spirituality is a compilation of all that is good, encompassing many belief systems (here is a hint, it has no name).”You know everything, and nothing at all.   Yours is a religion of subjectiveism.  You reject the counsel of God and make up your own “spirituality” through you experiences.  This is nothing but New Age empty-headedness.”I only act through love and compassion, all though not perfect, I don‘t have to reference a book to know where I went wrong. Nothing you could possibly comprehend. Go read and reread your lessons for today. I’ll spend my time living. My spirit is at peace. I know where I’m going, I don’t live in fear.”

“How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge? Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you. Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you. Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me: For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD” (Pro 1:22-29)

This passage describes you to the tee.

I truly hope God would be pleased to open your heart and your understanding.  As it is, it appears all He is doing is hardening you in your unbelief.

We should celebrate Christs birth and death everyday by being an example of Him in everything we do.  If you want to celebrate by giving gifts, try going to- deniset.mygofoods.com- and order storage foods that can be used by or donated to anyone in need or for yourself. The food is delicious and they have some new foods just in time for Christmas.

While I am not entirely sure of Jaron’s intentions he is very accurate on Christ actual birth. Jesus was born at the end of September on the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles. It is actually not very hard to do a proper study of it and get to the truth.
Caesar had sent out a tax decree which coincided with the gathering of people for the fall feast celebration, that is why all of the Inn’s where full and the birth happened in a stable. It also easily documents Christ birth because the tax decree was rare. Winters are just as harsh in the middle east, Caesar would not have sent the decree in December.
However, December 25th is still a very important time to Celebrate for all Christians because it was the day of Christ Conception. Proving that life begins at conception. We can document it in (Luke 1 39-56) Mary’s cousin Elisabeth was pregnant with John the Baptist and felt John leap in her belly when Mary approached her to tell her that she was also pregnant with Jesus. John’s birth also gives additional proof of the proper date for the birth of Christ. 
God Bless
  

I believe in Christmas and also respect the people who don’t…..but if I’m wrong and believe in Jesus Christ, when I die I haven’t lost anything, but……if I’m right and they are wrong…whooooo. they are in deep bad stuff for ever……glad I believe…

Keep quoting your scripture, “far 2 scared” to reply to my post. Way to twist my words in to a sick brainwashed incomprehensible mess. To all good faiths of the world I embrace all that is divine in love. Love is pure, no strings attached. You soul is in such a dark and empty place, we should all pray that you find love.

Merry Christmas everyone!

Let me put this in simple terms as to not offend any one. You stated “I’ve never even punched one person, much less shot someone.” Well I’m glad for that. But what prevents you from such acts? H e LL fire? Eternal Damnation? Pretty scary stuff for sure, but for a truly spiritual Christian, no fear of this magnitude is needed. Love of humanity guides ones actions. The bible is used by many as a book of lessons as how to amplify our love, because the Christians I know believe God is Love. Confessions for the Catholic can be a spiritual moment, to help in dealing with the hurt they may have caused others, but for some, it’s an opportunity to erase bad stuff. No emotion attached, never really internalizing the hurt they may have caused. Where do you stand in the struggle between good and evil. If, heaven forbid, their was no more laws and those to police them, or perhaps h ell fire in your case. Would you know right from wrong? If your book did not exist, would you be able to still have love to guide you? You take me too personal, I feel you may struggle with your faith more that you wish to admit.”I’ve never e someone.” Well I’m glad for that. But what prevents you from such acts? H e LL fire? Eternal Damnation? Pretty scary stuff for sure, but for a truly spiritual Christian, no fear of this magnitude is needed. Love of humanity guides ones actions. The bible is used by many as a book of lessons as how to amplify our love, because the Christians I know believe God is Love. Confessions for the Catholic can be a spiritual moment, to help in dealing with the hurt they may have caused .Where do you stand in the struggle between good and evil. If, heaven forbid, their was no more laws and those to police them, or perhaps h ell fire in your case. Would you know right from wrong? If your book did not exist, would you be able to still have love to guide you? You take me too personal, I feel you may struggle with your faith more that you wish to admit.

Atheism is not a religion, yet parallels your beliefs. Do you actually think you are a “elect”? Self delusion aside. Knowledge of a book does not make a person safe from damnation. Can you possibly look to the ones you love and before they pass away, condemn them to your fire, because they did not share the same enthusiasm toward your beliefs? It’s funny, I had a similar comment to an atheist (change fire to nothingness). It’s like the divide between socialism (a rigid ideology which condemns most to nothing) and anarchy (atheism a belief in nothing).

No one on this Earth has the wisdom or the authority to condemn anyone. And following the gospel would benefit a community just because it has the best plan for dealing with our lives and our fellow man. So even if you are an athiest you could use the gospel as a secular guide to live by. It just tells us how to be good and decent people. What’s wrong with that?

That is exactly my point. If you read all of this stuff don’t take my views to be offensive. I’m arguing with some one who does not believe what you do. I fear that his kind of belief is what turns people to atheism. I never argue with good Christians, religion is supposed to teach love and bring comfort. This “far2” individual is far from this. Please continue to read the gospel you apparently use the teachings for the right purpose.

“But what prevents you from such acts? H e LL fire? Eternal Damnation? Pretty scary stuff for sure, but for a truly spiritual Christian, no fear of this magnitude is needed.”

Ah, yes. You continue the caricatuizing.  This is slander and libel.  You can take your phony sense of “love” and peddle it down the street.  Everyone sees thru your hypocrisy.

I do not have any reason to punch an enemy, except in defense of my family.  Not out of fear.  But of my understanding of who God is.  And my love for Christ.

If you had this love you would not continue throwing up false allegations.

“A man that beareth false witness against his neighbour is a maul, and a sword, and a sharp arrow” (Pro 25:18)

You should take your advice. Many false allegations were made by you against me. You actually took my words and re wrote them. How sick is that? I will always disagree with your beliefs for they teach hate, you are not a Christian to me. Christian teachings involve love and compassion, every thing I did not receive from my discussion with you.

“ Love is pure, no strings attached. You soul is in such a dark and empty place, we should all pray that you find love.”

Funny, Jesus said that folks like me are in the light and folks like you are in darkness.  (John 3:19-21)

What a miserable state to suppose one is on the narrow path to peace when in fact she is on the broad road that leads to her own destruction.

If this rant of yours is the measure of your love, then you are truly a hypocrite.

It appears your love only goes as far as it suits your own selfish desires.

So long as you rail against God, you have no true love in your heart at all.  In the end, you will carry your hate with you into eternity.  It is all you will have.  There is no love in Hell. Only hatred that will consume you for eternity.

My prayer for you is that God would turn you and change your heart so that you would once for all finally know what true love is.  I pray for you, that is the loving thing to do.

“God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him” (1 Jn 4:16)

“You should take your
advice. Many false allegations were made by you against me. You actually took
my words and re wrote them. How sick is that?”

Copy and paste actually.  What in the world is “sick” about using one’s own words against them?  You make no sense.

Your “love” toward me is hypocritical.  You are filled with hate.”I will always disagree with your
beliefs for they teach hate”And you …?  I have prayed to God for you!  You have done nothing but raise all manner of false straw man arguments against me.  I understood you to be atheist.  You say you are not.  I take you for your word that you are not overtly atheist.  But in reality, if you believe in deities other than the one true God, you are a practical atheist nonetheless.”you are not a Christian to me. Christian teachings
involve love and compassion, every thing I did not receive from my discussion
with you.”

Since you have plainly demonstrated you know nothing about Christ and His Gospel, this really does not mean anything now does it?

As I said, I have prayed for you.  You have shown not one whit of love in return.  This is open hypocrisy for all who read our little thread to see.

“Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?” (Gal 4:16)

If I had no compassion toward you, I would not tell you the truth contained in the Scriptures.  If you do not wish to receive my act of compassion toward you, then it is you who demonstrates hatred.  Hatred of God and hatred of me.

Why, oh WHY, don’t people see that the more you fight these idiots openly, the more credibility they gain.  Instead of sparring with them, MAKE Christmas important around you.  And most importantly, teach those around you what the Founder’s DID believe.

Your still doing it. False deities, really? Every one who does not think the way you do is an Atheist? It’s apparent you did not comprehend what I said, perhaps it’s not written clear enough. O well! I still have compassion for the rigid. I’ll pray for you.

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What does it matter what Dave Barton or Jon Stewart for that matter, think about “christmas”?  Or is it even important to consider what the founding fathers thought on the matter?

The opinion that should matter most is that of God – what does he think about christmas?

In order to find the answer to that question, those who subscribe to the annual celebration and festivities might want to check for themselves and peer into the word of God and see what he has to say about the last holiday of the year – you might be surprised.

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“O well! I still have compassion for the rigid. I’ll pray
for you.”

Finally, some love shown!  Now, that was not so hard was it?

As for the atheist comment I made in my last post, if you would look more closely I actually wrote “practical atheist”.  Now try to keep up.  The God who inspired the scriptures claims to be the only God there is.  Thus, if a person worships other deities, Allah, Vishnu, Gaia, etc., on God’s word they are worshipping nothing whatsoever.  Though one claim’s to be spiritual, in reality such a person is a practical atheist.  The reality is they believe in no God at all.  Therefore, if you do not believe in the God of the bible to the exclusion of all other claimed deities, you in fact are a practical atheist.  You have amply demonstrated that you harbor hatred against the God of the bible who plainly said he chooses whom he will save and whom he will allow to go their own way into eternal perdition.  Have you not?

You made the comment that atheism is no religion.  The fact is that it requires more blind faith to be an avowed atheist than it does to believe in a creator.  Atheism is as much a form of religion as any other false religion.  A deity is not required for a religion (e.g., Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism).  Atheism has all the characteristics of religion, utmost of which is faith of the adherent.

How were you able to deduce I did not believe in the god of the bible? I just believe God is a tad more loving than the one you keep mentioning. Many other loving religions have a God, perhaps their all the same. It’s the material, books and idols, that I question. I’m seeking a more pure, unaltered form of belief. One that is free from the concepts of humans. Scripture that his been translated, altered and picked apart has no bearing on my thoughts. I wish to understand how those who created the concepts of religion actually devised those concepts to begin with. If all of the knowledge we have amassed to date were all wiped out, how would we know right from wrong? These are the concepts I philosophize over. Human made language and concepts are flawed. Meditation and prayer is one pure form of connecting with the soul. I believe many of my answers are available there. Atheists believe we are dumb animals too ignorant to grasp these concepts. That’s an easy out. You believe I am going to a hot place because I don’t believe that your scripture is accurate. I think not. I conduct my life through love, which is the only truth I know. If this is wrong, I guess you would be proven right. Only a select few are saved? I’m sure I would be in good company with those who are not, so many wonderful souls do not share your beliefs. I do have compassion for you. If you find true comfort in you beliefs, that’s all that matters.

How were you able to deduce I did not believe in the god of the bible? I just believe God is a tad more loving than the one you keep mentioning. Many other loving religions have a God, perhaps their all the same. It’s the material, books and idols, that I question. I’m seeking a more pure, unaltered form of belief. One that is free from the concepts of humans. Scripture that his been translated, altered and picked apart has no bearing on my thoughts. I wish to understand how those who created the concepts of religion actually devised those concepts to begin with. If all of the knowledge we have amassed to date were all wiped out, how would we know right from wrong? These are the concepts I philosophize over. Human made language and concepts are flawed. Meditation and prayer is one pure form of connecting with the soul. I believe many of my answers are available there. Atheists believe we are dumb animals too ignorant to grasp these concepts. That’s an easy out. You believe I am going to a hot place because I don’t believe that your scripture is accurate. I think not. I conduct my life through love, which is the only truth I know. If this is wrong, I guess you would be proven right. Only a select few are saved? I’m sure I would be in good company with those who are not, so many wonderful souls do not share your beliefs. I do have compassion for you. If you find true comfort in you beliefs, that’s all that matters.