Glenn a rational Ron Paul supporter is more rare than the giant panda bear; they are nearly on the level of non-existent.

Another Tale of Glenn.  Set up a few people who might offend others beliefs and attach it to all Ron Paul supporters.  Glenn, you said you would legalize heroin but just not right now because we are not moral enough to make the right choice.  That is the exact same attitude that “progressives” have about the constitution and our liberty.  That freedom thing is fine if everyone does what I would want them to do huh.  It’s a good thing George Washington didn’t say, “well 20% of our people are loyalists so I don’t think we can break away from England just yet.  Maybe we should wait until we are a more moral country”.  John Locke surmised that the loyalists main concern, was anarchy.  They also feared losing their livlihoods, but many saw the devil they knew as better than the devil they don’t.
But if we would have stayed with England there would be no chance of losing english as our national language.  Of course we would not have the freedom to speak the truth even in english.
Don’t be afraid of liberty folks.  You must allow it for others even when you are against what they do in order to secure it for yourself.

A Tale of Three Clowns-vs-one Ron Paul Supporter who doesn’t speak for Ron Paul.
Cherry picking callers in a three-vs-one clown-fest-smack-down tells me nothing about Ron Paul. The only thing it does is present an opinion of somebody who claims to like Ron Paul.

I could easily find hundreds, perhaps thousands of uneducated, irrational individuals who are fans of Glenn Beck and present you in a very bad light.. Just look on Youtube at some of the Glenn Beck fans for a sample of what a joke that many of them are. Do they represent you, Glenn?

Glenn, you’re a clown who will never be half the man Ron Paul is or was. If you have a problem with Ron Paul, then why don’t you have Ron Paul, Rand Paul and Peter Schiff on your show for a 3-vs-3? Then we’ll see what happens. Personally I’d like to see Peter Schiff rip your a new one over your dishonest dealings with GOLDLINE. Forget about some twenty year old news letters, lets talk about GOLDLINE, because the GOLDLINE ripoff is happening right now.

All I know is this country is bankrupt adding a trillion dollars to the debt every 6 months. I could critize Ron Paul easily , but who else is running that is willing to do the hard stuff to actually save the country. Do you think congress and the bankers will let go of their power ? As long as we have income tax congress will always be able to buy their way out of any trouble they have caused. this will go on until there is nothing left and who is going tobe around to pick up the pieces ?  chances are it will be the marxist labor unions and you know where this will lead. I do not see any other choice but to vote for Ron Paul, no one else except maybe Perry will do much with the debt.
   check out  everyones websites go from there. Ron Paul.s has the most substance to it

i can’t support Ron Paul.

Time will tell Snow, who’s policy is rational and who’s is not.  But if Iran is so dangerous, why doesn’t Glenn and all the other anti Paul folks get on the air and call for war with Iran right now?  Why wait?  If they are trying to get nukes, can we take a chance that our intel will get it right in time to stop it?  Our intel was not that good with Iraq was it?  Why is Glenn not telling people to go to war right now with Iran?

i can only think of three that come here but the rest act like he is a demi god at the least and when you dare question them on Ron Paul you get called a tratior. infact the main reason i can’t support Ron Paul is his suporters. well i should say most of them i still like landofaahs.

You might want to ask the next ones who like the President of Iran so much if they also are fine with all of this…If so they are not just insane but they belong in prison. whoever put this together nicely states what it is we fear and why…

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IT IS NOT ISLAMOPHOBIAIn order to truly understand the danger our
society faces from Islam, following is a term you will be branded with for
opposing Islam – just as a cow is branded with a hot iron you will be branded
with the hot iron of stigmatization and intellectually ostracized from society
if not thrown in jail. Islamophobia was invented by a Muslim Brotherhood
front organization, the International Institute for Islamic Thought, which is
based in Northern Virginia in order to immediately stop law abiding citizens
from exercising their right of freedom of speech with regard to exposing the
hateful, murderous reality that is Islam – anyone who opposes Islam is branded
an evil, racist, bigoted, Islamophobic to intimidate and shut them up. (For 10
translations of these Quranic verses go to: Use this web site throughout this
book.Jake Neuman is the author of “Islam and Sharia Law Are Treason:
His book ISLAM — EVIL IN THE NAME OF GOD™ was banned in Malaysia.It is
NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational fear of Jihad – there are 164 Quranic
teachings of Jihad. JIHAD IS TREASON (Quran 29.6, 29.53, 22.52)It is NOT
ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational fear of Pre-Pubescent Child Rape (65:4)It is
NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational fear of Rape (4.3)It is NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA
to have a rational fear of Gang Rape (24:13)It is NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a
rational fear of Sex Slavery (4:24)It is NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational
fear of Torture (22.19-22)It is NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational fear of
Whipping (24.2)It is NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational fear of Amputation
and Crucifixion (5:33)It is NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational fear of
Beheading (8:12, 47:4)It is NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational fear of Wife
Beating (4:34)It is NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational fear of Inferiority
of Women (2.228, 4.11, 4.176) It is NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational fear
of Women as Sex Objects (2.223)It is NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational
fear of Murder (2:191, 9:5,)It is NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational fear
of Killing kafirs (47.4) It is NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational fear of
Terrorizing kafirs (8.60, 3.151)It is NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational
fear of Immoral Paradise guaranteeing accession to Paradise for Muslim men who
kill kafirs or who die in the process of trying to kill kafirs (9.111) It is
NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational fear of Massacre (8.67, 7.4)It is NOT
ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational fear of Genocide (8.17)It is NOT
ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational fear of Theft and Robbery (Entire Chapter 8
called Booty)It is NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational fear of All other
religions must submit to Islam (2.103, 2.286, 3.19, 48.16)It is NOT
ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational fear of Your children are your enemies (9.23,
64.15)It is NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational fear of Revenge (5.45)It
is NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational fear of Hate (5.60, 2.61) It is NOT
ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational fear of Slavery (2.178)It is NOT
ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational fear of Extortion (9:29)It is NOT
ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational fear of Lying (3:28, 5:51)It is NOT
ISLAMOPHOBIA to have a rational fear of Sharia Law that mandates the destruction
of the Constitution and democracy/freedom – their replacement with the
totalitarianism of Sharia. Under Sharia Law there is no freedom of religion,
speech, thought, press, artistic expression, no equality of peoples – a
non-Muslim, a Kafir, is never equal to a Muslim, no equal rights for women,
women can be beaten, non-Muslims are dhimmis, third-class citizens, there is no
equal protection under Sharia for different classes of people with one set of
laws for Muslim males and different laws for women and non-Muslims.
Death is the punishment for apostasy, homosexuality, mocking anything in
the Qur’an or the Sunnah of the prophet Muhammad, criticizing Islam, shari’ah
law or the Sunnah of the prophet Muhammad. Any Muslim who states a preference
for democracy rather than shari’ah law or questions anything in the Qur’an or
Sunnah is a kafir (disbeliever), considered an apostate, and therefore sentenced
to death. The punishment for theft is amputation of the right hand up to the
elbow. The penalty for premarital sexual intercourse is 100 lashes with a whip
and one year of exile. The penalty for adultery between a married man and a
married woman is 100 lashes with a whip and death by stoning. What is
following next in this book is such diabolical evil that you will immediately
come down with the dreaded disease of ISLAMOPHOBIA for which the only cure is
the Guts and Courage you will need to muster to stand up for democracy and
oppose Islam. In many EU countries it is hate speech to quote from the
Quran punishable by large fines and/or jail. The UN is in the process of trying
to pass hate speech laws that would criminalize any criticism of Islam
worldwide. There have even been mutterings of passing such laws in the US. Islam
is hate speech. Below is a very, very small, introductory sampling from the
thousands of intolerant, hateful and violent passages inciting extermination,
murder, torture, terrorism from the Quran/Hadith. If laws against”Hate speech”,
blasphemy etc. have any meaning today, they should be used against the Quran and
Islam, or be entirely abolished. GYou will read the exact same teachings
recorded above as not crimes but acts of religious freedom. Again – by opposing
anyone of these teachings you are a racist Islamophobic. You are a true
criminal. Muslim men are fighting to practise their religion and by doing so
will destroy the religious freedom of non- Muslims along with Democracy and
Freedom. This is Orwellian Catch 22.

Thank you Ryan.  But I did notice you said “still”. LOL

there seems to be a bias against ron Paul supporters. It is after all the call screeners job to pick them and allow them on air. As the show boss,Glenn,Rush and Sean dictate-yes, dictate- what they are looking for. I think it is purposeful. it is clear that you are chicken to throw your support behind someone yet marginalize other Conservatives cause they like someone you don’t. I am tired of being referred to as a kook . It is after all the rhetoric of Conservative talk radio. I’ve had to stop listening.
I feel very normal and rational and am a Ron Paul supporter. The reason why his foreign policy appeals to me is because we are going broke-After dismantling several arms of bureaucracy like the Dept. Of Ed. etc. we can look again at the military.
Plus, as a lover of the Constitution Ron Paul must use the legislative process. Getting congressional support is another thing all together.
thinking he would circumvent Congress isn’t even a concern.

Just out of curiosity, who ‘can’ you support?

I think Paul supporters get so defensive because everyone likes to make fun of them, does the GOP not realize that Ron Paul has more support from young voters than any other candidate? They’re pushing a young movement away from their party. Calling them Paultards, Paulbots, and whatever else they find funny. As a republican the way this man has been treated is atrocious. It’s one thing to disagree with his policy, but to make fun of his supporters who are potential republican voters is just stupid.

Your not a traitor…
I would just refer you back to, “What does the US Constitution say”

You are not suppose to pick and choose the parts you like and crap on the rest.  The Document stands as a whole, not parts and pieces.

to be truthful i feel if we vote any of them in they are going to stab us in the backs. i am leaning to Rick Sandtrum but only because people in my state know what we are we going to get with him but i think that Ron Paul no diffrent from the rest of them he may talk but does he walk the walk.

Are you serious?

Can’t… Tell… If… Being… Sarcastic…

i feel like they are all the same anyways.

what can i say you are a free thinker.

why is ‘Dr’ in quotes? Is there now an attempt to deny that Ron Paul earned his MD?

why is ‘Dr’ in quotes? Is there now an attempt to deny that Ron Paul earned his MD?

Haha wow, Ron Paul supporters are as bad as the Obama Supporters. 

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Good call. Hey, Glenn. Maybe Judge Napolitano will give you a call.

It’s seems there are many institutions that were built to deal with an issue but then grow so large they cannot solve the ii sue because they would have no reason to exist. Like a states foster care system. If the states made it quick and easy to adopt a kid there would be no reason to a big foster care system.

Or the justice system. If we just kept violent people behind bars we would hardly need the police. Instead they lock up mostly non violent people so they can release the violent ones so they have something to do.

Imagine if Ron Paul really was elected and was able to restore sound money and peace. People would be to busy enjoying liberty. Not listening to talk radio.

So relying on a large industry to solve a problem that would put themselves out of business is silly.

I see religious fanaticism coming from all directions.. From the Muslims, Jews, Christians (including Mormons).. I also see that the different religious texts are the “operating manuals” which the religious fanatics use to manipulate public policy, foreign policy, and the general public’s thinking process.

This election, for the NeoCon Republicans, is about the Bible and about Israel. That’s fine, but the last time I checked, I live in a country which is based on freedom of religion and liberty. What I see is that religious mandates re: the Middle East are driving the NeoCon candidates. I also see that if this Israel-first base is allowed to gain more political power from inside the republican party, that the party will become something which could resemble what our European ancestors escaped from. States run by religious power may sound warm and fuzzy, but we all know that they can become more brutal that atheist dictatorships. You only need read some European history to verify that.

So, it would be really nice if the fanatics in our Western religions would be more ethical and moral as they try to convert Americans who question their paradigm. I have a hard time buying anything coming out of Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, etc., because the level of fear-mongering, manipulation, slander and ridicule toward more honest and ethical people (like Ron Paul) in order to “influence” the public to be fearful makes me question how heinous or corrupt it could get under a religious political power.

Religion is religion… politics are politics… keep them separate, or your religion will lose ALL credibility, and the atheists will have all the evidence they need to dicredit you.

I can’t believe the absolute wholesale trash I listened to on the Glenn Beck radio show today about Ron Paul’s supporters. I thought I was listening to the Randi Rhodes or some trashy Liberal radio hack today. You guys need to MAN UP and be a little more ethical as you trash Ron Paul over your different point of view on Israel. As Bill Clinton might have said “it’s about Israel stupid”…  Your slimy radio performance says absolutely NOTHING to reinforce your own
credibility. Ron Paul must really scare the shit out of you for you to stoop so low.. 

Your radio broadcast today was like Jerry Springer radio. Clean up your act…

Yes, I see your point.  Dr. Paul is pretty new to the political scene, and his message keeps flip-flopping just to get good soundbytes & make the media happy….   (SARCASM)

You might want to take a little time and do a little research on your own before you go throwing your vote away on one of the Republicrats trying to get the GOP ticket.

Ron Paul has the establishment running scared, including Glenn Beck. You can’t hide your true face forever, shill for the establishment.

get real!  any body would be better than hilter want to be obama. get real folks everyone voted in from fraud vote machines everyone in congress senate and obama who has shit on the bill of rights constitution and killed it.    even obama signing new years eve the national defense act that can put into dention every american citizen.
get real folks!   the pole shift is about to happen our magnetic field is disappearing. all americans are getting unhealthy doses of radiation from uncapped fukishima.do you know how to get radiation out of your drinking water folks who are bashing ron paul supports.?   grow up focks china russia  will defend pakistan and iran as more nuke matterial was just delivered from canada to the usa for fresh nukes for usa. our unemployment is higher than the great depression and for all you athesis. “every one has the God gene including you. God is in control not china usa republicans or dems or independants. we are all ants conpaired to God so get real even with your politictics . Do you know what time it really is? how close midnight is to world war 3 and you are playing politic clown parts. Again do you know how to get radiation even out of your water for your family? do your homework one sec before midnight is here for those who need it spelled out!

Ron Paul supporters do come across arrogant.
But it’s not because they are hateful or want to do anyone harm.
In all humilty, I request that you look at this video just released today.
It’s Ron Paul on the House floor in 2002 describing exactly what we are facing this very moment with Iran. Not generally, but precisely.
He literally laid out the path we would take if we did not change course. 
Then tell me the man doesn’t know what he;s talking about.
Then tell me he is naive. Please look.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=meFjza6BpEA

thanks i will check it out as any bug will be better than hilter obama.

Glenn & gang:  I can understand some of your concerns regarding support for Israel and the fact you were there says there are advantages and perspectives gained.  If you were to take a hard look at where Dr. Paul discovers dangerous associations by the opportunists (elitists) who just happen to be of Jewish lineage, you can deduce that – as you so aptly detail – one person leads to another issue leads to yet a larger group and an even bigger problem.  I have been very careful as a Judeo-Christian (physically and spiritually) to keep the Paul camp very much aware of how they produce the facts they find to keep from demonizing an entire group of people, and as history and substance has shown, there are those who would like to wholesale Israel to the chopping block.  The very same can be said of those in every camp of politician who would like to see others wholesaled the very same way.  I lean on the New Covenant principle which the Apostle Paul makes clear:  ’if it be possible, live in peace with ALL men’.  This campaign seems to be about creating as much division as would be effective to demonize someone, or groups of someones…and of those the issues stem not from the politicians but their oddball supporters.  

You yourself stated in easily searchable segments found on YouTube this past summer that Dr. Paul’s logic behind many of the mainstream issues (economy, sovereignty, law, waste, etc.) contained issues of agreement, largely.  What give us real heartburn is the scathing which has erupted whenever his name – or his supporters in ever increasing numbers – comes to the surface.  This is not a way to present ‘entertainment’ nor ‘enlightenment’ and it is doing a great disservice to the listener in that they are looking for insight and balance.  As the kooks who grate will get on your nerves, so too are the many who understand that Dr. Paul is decidedly better at undertaking a huge mess brought on by the Republicrats-nee-Oligarchs over many decades and – with Constitution and the NO stamp in hand – will execute the office of President on behalf of both the founding documents and the people who wish it invoked.  To date no other on any ticket has spoken so much nor demonstrated such consistency to principle and law than Dr. Paul.  This is why we continue support and discount so much of what else is said, though some evidence of error exists alongside the growing facts expressed on Ron Paul’s behalf from a wide array of supporters. Everyone else, pretty much, sounds like the same as usual.  Lately, so do you my friend and fellow media man.  

They are made fun of because they are fanatical. I understand their passion; this is good. But they call all the other candidates progressive Marxists, which is totally unfair.
These Paul supporters will also not vote for the winning cadidate and this just might give enough of a bump to re-elect Obama. I think that is treasonous.
Remember what happened with Ross Perot?
Understand?

Glenn, I’ve done the research you encouraged.  I’ve studied the constitution (and continue to) and I’ve followed the money.  The 700 + bases we have in well over 100 countries certainly seems to be part of the military/industrial complex Eisenhower warned us about and you told us to check out.  The Federal Reserve and world banking system with it’s fractional “debt is money” system certainly thumb their noses at the people they are scamming and you encouraged us to dig in and figure out what the sam hill was going on there.  You have talked about the elite establishment and it’s “club” called the Council on Foreign Relations, who have supplied all our administrations, Republican or Democrat, with almost all their policy makers, who have been covertly steering us to a One World Order.  You have talked about the puppet
masters who have been pulling the strings to undermine our country and run the shadow government. The same people who have worked to set the United Nations up as a seat of world government with our military as policeman of the world—-so I’m totally confused here about your attitude toward Ron Paul.  He is the only person I can see with the courage and wisdom to try to make a huge overhaul in the status quo to get us back to our constitutional roots.  Your mockery of this man makes no sense to me. 

I realize the “left” and “right” media are two sides of the same coin but I thought you were different.  Maybe, though, you are actually an agent of change but willing to “through the baby out with the bath water” and let our constitution slide away.  I prefer to restore it.  I also want us to have a extremly strong military–within our own borders–so we can defend it.    

What Ron Paul supporters do not understand is that the people that support the Tea Party movement want the same things that they do. We all want us to go back to the original intent of the Constitution. But this needs to be done systematically and over a period of time. Our government was set up to move slowly so that people could have time to digest new policy and make rational decisions. If Paul get elected and starts making these drastic changes (obviously for the better of our country) he will meet way too much resistance and there will be more deadlock.

AMEN!

Best Glenn Beck commenter to ever comment on glennbeck.com? I think so!

Glenn is only interested in making sure the strife between the right and the left continues. After all strife =’s money. Ron Paul threatens that with freedom, which brings people together.  I hope and pray that more people come to realize this.

Do you understand? A vote for anyone but Ron Paul IS a vote for a Obama. Since when did America become the land of the people who compromise their constitution and traditions for cheap political points?

I refuse to go along with that. I refuse to be mowed over any longer by any corrupt politician or media whore.

We are taking our country back, Ron Paul 2012!

Hey landofaahs: I have some questions for Ron Paul, Glenn Beck and supporters who believe that narcotics should be legalized, What drugs would you legalize? I am assuming as you mention heroin, that you are talking about ALL drugs. Does that include medications like penicillin, blood pressure meds, etc?. If heroin, methadone, cocaine, percodan etc. would be legal, then why not every drug and medication on the market? Wow, what a mess that would be. People treating themselves, their families with or without the advice of a physician. If you are going to legalize drugs, do you have any idea what the cost of a dose might be? What would a “dose” consist of? What percent of purity would it contain? How much could you buy at one time? Do you seriously believe that if it were legalized there wouldn’t be more people trying some of these drugs? Do you believe that a person using hard drugs like heroin, cocaine, etc. could do meaningful work? Who would support them and their families? Even if you could buy drugs legally, there would still be a price to pay for it. If you are not working because you are addicted to hard drugs, where do you get the money to purchase the drugs even if a single dose is only $5.00? As you know, addiction requires more and more of a drug to get the same effect, unless you increase the percentage of the drug. Would you have these drugs sold in various percentages of purity so the more hard core users could keep getting the high they crave?

I worked narcotics as a law enforcement officer for 15 of my 33 year career. I believe that people who want to legalize narcotics are searching for EASY solutions without thinking of the myriad of problems legalization would bring about. I am not being critical of you, I truly am curious about what the answers would be to the questions I pose.

I used to do talks for all kinds of groups about narcotics and I would always pose this question to an audience? “How many of you have ever used marijuana? Please, nobody is going to arrest you or throw rocks at you. I’m just honestly curious as to how many have tried the drug at least once?” Usually, I would get about 15 to 20% of an audience raise their hands. I am sure  there were probably more than that but they just didn’t want to publicly admit it and I can well understand that. Then I would ask this question, “If marijuana were legalized tomorrow, how many of you would at least try it?” Usually I would get around 80 to 85% raise their hands. Legalization does presuppose, O.K. If you extrapolate that, it is a little worrisome. We know that about 10% of people who drink, become alcoholics. How many people might become marijuanaholics? How many would want a bigger high and go on to the readily available harder drugs? In my 33 years of law enforcement, I never met a person, personally who started on a “hard” drug. They all started with marijuana or a combination of alcohol and marijuana. Look at the incredible problems we have with alcoholism today. The broken homes, loss of jobs, accidents of all kinds, loss of life and cost of hospitalization and treatment. If you legalized marijuana and all these other drugs, there would still be the alcoholics, you are just going to add more “aholics” to the equation.

Please believe me when I say, that legalization would very likely lead to and cause as many problems as we now have with its being illegal.

I literally could go on about this, but I know I can’t write forever here. I just wonder how many people who want it legalized have considered the myriad of problems and additional bureaucracies that would be required to deal with it? Again, I am not trying to denigrate anyone here. I really am seeking answers from those who believe it should be legalized.

Glenn, you are an embarrassment to the LDS faith.

Not to mention Conservatives everywhere.

It’s not about ‘legalizing’ its about letting the states regulating and doing away with this failed war on drugs. The Federal government has no business telling anyone what decisions to make about their own health. Nor do they have any business telling any state if they can or can’t allow medical marijuana.

No, you’re wrong on all counts.

The Tea Party was started by Ron Paul supporters in December 07. So, maybe the people that now support the Tea Party should look to its founders, the Ron Paul supporters for a great platform that will carry us back to Constitutional law, freedoms, and prosperity. I don’t know about you but I want our freedoms back now not in 100 years.

“Of black males in Washington, D.C, between the agesof 18 and 35, 42% are charged with a crime or are serving a sentence,reports the National Center on Institutions and Alternatives. The Center also reports that 70% of all black men in Washington are arrested before they reach the age of 35, and 85% are arrested at some point in their lives. Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the ‘criminal justice system,’ I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”

Is the NCIA wrong?  Is whoever wrote this newsletter making an innacurate assessment?

Here are some more racially charged quotes you probably haven’t read yet.  These were, actually, said a couple of years ago:

“I can’t even talk the way these people talk:

“Why you ain’t,
Where you is,
What he drive,
Where he stay,
Where he work,
Who you be…”.

And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk.

And then I heard the father talk.

“Everybody knows it’s important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can’t be a
doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth.”

“Those people are not Africans; they don’t know a thing about Africa.”

“…don’t have any connection to Africa, no more than white Americans have to Germany,
Scotland, England, Ireland, or the Netherlands.”

“With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap…and all of
them are in jail.”

“Today a woman has eight children with eight different ‘husbands’ — or men or whatever
you call them now.”

“We have million-dollar basketball players who can’t write two paragraphs. … black
folks, have to do a better job.

These come from the racist Bill Cosby.

Of course, it’s okay for people like Cosby to comment on the Black community, but white people aren’t allowed to comment on the black community, otherwise they are labeled racist for pointing out facts.  If that is the case shouldn’t it  be equally unacceptable to have blacks comment on the white community.  Obama is racist for the remarks he has made about whites and the things he wrote in his book Dreams of my Father.

Snowleopard, let’s compare the rationality of Muslim fanatics, which, according to many Christian zealots in media, includes all of Muslim society, with Evangelical Christian fanatics.

No difference… the Christians would like to see the Muslims exterminated, the Muslims ditto, so where’s the rationality?

Ron Paul is trying to bring us to sobriety on this maniacal battle between the Semite tribes. The guys who feel so passionate about this battle have NO BUSINESS governing for an entire country. That would be a religious state…

First off, legalizing it does not mean I want it regulated. My take would be to legalize the posession of any drug, but not use it. legalization of its posession would take the big money out if it. Posession should be probable cause to check for its use in my opinion. Others would like to make the whole process legal. Frankly drano can be abused as can a lot of other normal products. An idiot cannot be protected from himself.
But we can keep on making it against the law as it has been for years, but I would ask How has it been working for ya.
As far as treatments for certain illness is concerned, why the FDA says you are suffering a terminal disease but you can’t take this drug because we don’t know how safe it is, seems retarded. You are going to die if you don’t take the drug too. I think people should be allowed to make decisions for themselves when they are of age. But perhaps if we had prayer in schools, we might not have so many drugs.
Don’t forget that law enforcement loves the confiscation of assets related to drug traffic, so you have to understand that money is a motive in law enforcement too.

Bobba, today if I or one of my children or my pets got a prescription for antibiotics, or needed antibiotics that was not covered by insurance, because of the price I would take the 15 minute drive to Mexico to buy that drug. It is much cheaper there than what it costs here and you can get them over the counter in any pharmacy there. I have done it many times. Why are Mexican nationals considered more responsible by their government than we are by ours? I have never in my whole life heard of anyone overdosing  or substance abuse from antibiotics they obtained in Mexico or anywhere else. Why are they prescription only here?

In answer to some of your questions about how legalization would work, though many people like me believe it should be unregulated, the reality is that the states would have the power and ability to regulate most aspects of all the issues you describe. Just as many states have varying rules and restrictions as to the purchase of alcohol, so might the states do so with drugs. However, though I might cross an international border to obtain antibiotics when needed, I definately would not be purchasing hard drugs, such as heroin no matter how available, easy, and legal it were to purchase. 

The war on drugs has not eliminated, lowered, or curtailed the supply and use of drugs but has shifted its organization into the hands of dangerous criminals. We see the problem growing monumentally today as drug cartels in Mexico have militarized and the growing violence from them is spilling over our borders.

i am being serious they all had their hand in the big government jar even Ron Paul got pork infact he got 22 earmarks past worth around $96.1 million. you tell me if i am serious.

If you have ever listened to Ron Paul talk about making changes he never suggests that changes will be immediate and drastic, but rather rolling them back in a systematic and logical way. 

Disqus generic email templateDanisme: Your response is o.k., but your response is not what I am hearing. In every state in the union, hard drugs are illegal. I also am not talking about medical marijuana. That is available by prescription. The thoughts that Ron Paul and Glenn Beck are espousing, is legalization. Are you saying it is ok for the states to make it illegal, you just don’t want the federal government to make it illegal? Do you believe that drugs should legalized? Or are you simply talking about medical marijuana, and the feds preempting the states in controlling it? That’s a whole different discussion. My questions are to those who believe that drugs should be legalized. Bobba7438

Yes, I too wonder what has gotten into Beck’s brain. He appeared SO committed to the principles of our nation, and the Constitution. So it is very disturbing that he was early on the anti Ron Paul bandwagon. It is baffling why he thinks we should uphold one nation when he knows full well that our founders were for fair trade with all and favoritism towards none. 

Israel has proven it has the wherewithal to defend itself. Additionally they have the resources, heck, they could hire mercenaries. I have nothing against Israel PAYING for the assistance they receive, but I have qualms about DONATING American materiel and personnel for that purpose. 

Gash,
I agree with you.  I’m also a Ron Paul supporter that considers myself to be of sound mind and not a “whack job”.
Ron Paul gets heavy support from our military; however, the media likes to call Ron Paul supporters kooks, disillusional, irrational, etc. which would include our military.  I find it funny that the message the media sends is that the military is smart enough to defend our country but not smart enough to decide who should run the country.  I believe the media has opened the eyes of Americans as far as how much trust we can put in them.  I think we’re down to  – we have the Glenn Becks and Sean Hannitys of the world to make us think we still have our freedom to listen to whom we like when in reality these guys are just a little more conservative then mainstream media and still controlled on what can be talked about by big brother.  Anyway, things that make you go “uumm!”"

Just curious if you heard the recent quote by Santorum which I found very alarming if not downright scary:
“They have this idea that we should be left alone….be able to do
whatever they wanna do….government should keep our taxes low they
should keep our regulations down…..we shouldn’t get involved in the
bedroom….we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues…that is not
how traditional conservatives view the world….there is no such society
that I am aware of where we have had radical individualism that
succeeds in a culture.”

They not only have the youth vote, they have the disaffected left vote and many independents. . And there was an attack plan from day one to marginalize Ron Paul and Alinskyize him. 

Finally we have a person we can vote for which we can do with a clear conscience, that we are not compromising and choosing the lesser of two evils. That’s how we got the Big Government Bush clan, they were less evil than the alternative. 

Glen seems to walking down the same aisle he has warned us against, being played by the progressives in both parties. Paul is the anti-progressive. 

Ron Paul supporters by and large are far from arrogant.    They are among the best informed citizens almost every issue critical to this country, and display uncommon common sense and logic coupled with verifiable evidence to back up what they say.   It is not unusual for less well informed and less logical people to consider those with more knowledge arrogant.  I find Beck to be arrogant, not logical, and as shown by the Ron Paul caller – Beck is poorly informed and spews his disinformation and paranoia as if it is gospel.
As soon as Glenn Beck can control everything that his employees say, do, or write, he can talk about others.  Over a period of  20 years, about 9 lines of print out of millions of words slipped by an editor.
Wow, that’s a pretty good record.  Any publisher would probably be proud of that kind of oversight.
And, as it turns out, the writer looks to be Powell of Forbes.  LOL  
Glenn needs to get his  head out of Israel’s behind.  Glenn needs to have respect for Netanyahu and the chief of the Mossad who say that Iran is not a threat to them.   If Glenn wants to support Israel over the US, then move there, pick up a gun, and act like a frickin lunatic on his own dime. 
There are very important and critical issues facing this country that only Ron Paul knows how to handle.  Beck needs to wake up, remove his head from Israel’s arse, and stop spewing misinformation as is it is fact.   Ron Paul supporters have reason to be ticked off.   First he is ignored, then blamed for things he didn’t write, his supporters are insulted and ridiculed although they are absolutely right and warning the rest of the citizens.   And now daily they are found to be right on every point.   Beck is arrogant, wrong, and out of step with mainstream America. 

i did do some reearch and geuss what he passed 22 earmaks worth over 93 million. he is lying like the rest of them.

I put principle over party…don’t you? Why on earth would anyone vote for someone they do not believe has integrity just because they cary the party banner. That is absurd. No wonder we keep getting the same results with each election.

We have to, once again, pick the lesser of a pack of evils… why does this keep happening?  I think whomever the media (fox included) is ignoring; that’s the one we should go with. 

Remember what happened with GW Bush? Biggest growth in government spending up to that point in time. No sir, I am not going to be forced to drink the middle of the road koolaid like the Republicans made me do last time with all their lies about electability and how essential it was to take back the White House away from the Dimmocrats. That’s fearmongering that is not going to work this time. 

yes sir, it’s a sophisticated con game, and the solution is to stand on correct principles. 

It seems to me Ron Paul is the only one on the roster who knows the correct principles. 

The others are very much into not rocking the progressive boat. 

Please everyone!!  Watch out for voter fraud!!  Ron Paul is the candidate that should win, but if he doesn’t, it’s my opinion that fraudulent activity has happened.  I’m not so sure it didn’t happen in Iowa earlier this week.  Where the heck did votes for Rick Santorum come from?  He’s never been in the top of any pole yet!!!  This voting system scares me now.  Everything is soooo politically currupt!

i can’t tell them apart most of the time.

R3volution: So you believe that people should be able to self prescribe?Do you realize the problems that we are having with bacteria becoming immune to antibiotics because people are using them improperly. They do not run the full course as they should, so it doesn’t completely kill the bacteria, and they (the bacteria) thus become immune. There are other problems as well. Certain conditions make taking antibiotics dangerous because of allergic reactions and other problems. So you are counting on a completely medically informed public to know what is best and treat themselves?. How dangerous might that be?. Also, I don’t mean to be impertinent, but how do you know that the war on drugs has not lowered or curtailed the supply? You draw that conclusion from the fact that there are still users? Let me ask you this. How many people are not using drugs because they are illegal? I would like to know where you get your information. I think you are simply making assumptions.

I’m sorry R3v, but you haven’t answered any of my questions. I have not heard from Beck or Paul that they want the state to regulate. I have heard that drugs should be made legal. And it isn’t only from these two that I have heard that expressed. Many on the left have been espousing it for years.The states regulating drugs is already a fact. You just want the feds out of the problem. O.k. I can handle that. Now the feds are out of the problem, what do you want the states to do? So in some states you can buy all the drugs you want of whatever kind or purity and in others you get the death penalty for selling it? Is that what you have in mind? Sounds interesting! I can see where that would really solve the drug problem!

i have to get back to you on that.

Regarding the Jewish position vis-a-vis Ron Paul, check out a friend of his in this video:  

http://ronpaulflix.com/2012/01/jews-for-ron-paul-by-walter-block/

He states my conviction of Dr. Paul being very much Pro-Israel by letting them self-determine, even as we wish to do…which equates to supporting our ally vs. meddling.

It’s truly irritating when a host of any show won’t let their guests get more than one sentence out at a time. It just oozes narcissism. I love Peter Schiff, for example, but Schiff doesn’t let anybody talk, and it really bothers me.

I’m a Ron Paul supporter, and I don’t take well to being labeled a zealot, or a Paulbot, or a Paultard. I’m a very well-educated, thirty-something, middle-class male. I don’t agree with Paul 100% on everything. I’m a person, and I’ve developed my own views on life and how I think the government should function. And after my own independent thought, I came to the conclusion that Ron Paul best represents what I believe. I was anti-Federal Reserve even before I knew who Ron Paul was.

I have defended the other candidates, specifically Perry and Santorum, on their use or support of earmarks. Earmarks, when not abused, are not bad. They return money in a spending bill that would otherwise be at the unwise discretion of a Washington bureaucrat back into the hands of the people who paid the taxes in the first place. Santorum happens to be not so judicious on earmarks as Ron Paul. And besides, Paul writes the earmarks, but votes against the spending bill.

So I don’t believe Paul is perfect. His management of the newsletters was poor. But, I believe he has not been so forthcoming with information because the ghost authors are friends of his and he’s not interested in harming their careers. Even as I write this, the author of the most damning of the newsletters has all but been discovered, and it’s not Ron Paul, to nobody’s surprise I think.

What really offends me is that I get stigmatized as a Paul supporter, so people assume I’m some sort of magic Kool-Aid drinking cultist. But when I talk to Romney supporters, it’s like listening to Fox and Friends. They have no thought of their own. They can’t intelligently speak to economic or monetary policy, government market intervention, or foreign policy. They only seem to know what the major media outlets tell them. That lack of independent thinking is why I believe Ron Paul supporters get angry. It takes research to be a Paul supporter. For Romney, you only have to know the talking points and buzz words. There’s no substance there.

yes but look what happen durning prohibition, prohibition was repealed because way too many were dying  and it created tons of graft and crime just like we have now with drugs be they  illegal or pharmacutical drugs or even raw milk. Look what it has done to much of Mexico. Black  markets have survived since the beginning of government and at a cost to society  tons of money. When stuff is illegal and you get bad product  there is no way to sue anyone so we end up with the only justice being death. Many  perople not even associated with the black market of stuff  end up getting hurt. We have become a society where the government has become our father  and has basicly told us that we do not have to be responsible for ourselves  thats fathers job. It amazes me that we did not learn our lesson from prohibition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  As patrick Henry stated “give me liberity or give me death”

btw  the governments would not have to have income tax if all drugs were retailed and taxed. Oh and it would actually free up law enforcement officers to actualy be peacemakers again. The pluses out weight the minuses so much it is a no brainer

I hope that Glenn is reading these comments and taking them to heart – at least in part.  The Glenn Beck show has been condescending to listeners ever since I began listening several years ago with their mocking calls to unknowing ignorants.  In recent months the mocking has escalated and is especially unleashed against Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich fans. 

And I agree with some of the other comments related to the hypocrisy of some of the advertisers.  Do advertisements for tax evasion really met the high moral standards that Glenn professes to endear?  Does the guy selling solar panel systems for twice what the going rate is using Glenn’s reputation to overcharge fit the character profile?  And the Gold Line adds are really over the edge. Business is business, I guess. 

Glenn is a great American and he has a strong following – including me.  Ron Paul is also a great American as is Rand, as is Newt, as is Santorum, and as is NOT Barry.  I strongly disagree with Glenn’s uncompromising, unrealistic  right-to-life views related to the grey fringes of the life cycle.  And I believe in an expanded use of the death penalty.  And I believe in the continued sacrifice of life for the protection of the God given rights associated with life (war).  That’s a moderate view that I have a right to hold and that differs in some ways from the views of the group of them.  But, at the same time, agrees in some ways with the group of them.  We can’t throw out anyone who does not allign 100%.

Keep fighting the good fight.

Nobody wants to answer my questions and I can understand that. They do pose some really gritty problem solving. So you think that legalization would bring about some kind of Nirvana? Why all we have to do is make it legal and all the problems go away. No more black markets, no criminal involvement, no increase in use and all the attendant problems that would cause. Your idea of making possession lawful and use unlawful is mind boggling. Why would you possess it if it weren’t to use it? You like the feel of powder or pills in your pocket?

I deeply resent your insinuation that law enforcment “loves the confiscation of assets related to drug traffic.”  I have worked with a large number of police officers, state and federal drug agents and have never heard that as a motive for doing their jobs. It wasn’t law enforcement that thought up the idea of enforcing narcotic laws. Any problem that society cannot seem to solve they want to give it to someone else. Things get dumped into law enforcement’s hands that we don’t want to deal with at all. Family disputes, landlord tenant disputes, drunks on the streets, to name a few.

The confiscation of assets came about as a way of helping to fund agencies that could not otherwise afford the equipment and manpower necessary to enforce drug laws. The police didn’t run around begging to enforce narcotics regulations. As a matter of fact we don’t ask to enforce any laws. WE ARE TOLD what laws we will enforce by legislative bodies. These same bodies come up with the ways of funding that enforcement. You know the old adage, “Ours is but to do or die?”

I guess I might know a little about drug cartels, I might even know just an itty bitty bit more than you, but that is only supposition. I didn’t learn a whole lot in 33 years of law enforcement and getting my law degree  while a police officer, but I do think I learned just a little.

the reason bacteria is becoming  immune to bacteria is that doictors prescribe it for everything.

Oh another thing many people stop taking antibolics too soon letting some of the bacteria survive causing immunsation to the antibolics

Nobody wants to answer my questions and I can understand that. They do pose some really gritty problem solving. So you think that legalization would bring about some kind of Nirvana? Why all we have to do is make it legal and all the problems go away. No more black markets, no criminal involvement, no increase in use and all the attendant problems that would cause. Your idea of making possession lawful and use unlawful is mind boggling. Why would you possess it if it weren’t to use it? You like the feel of powder or pills in your pocket?

I deeply resent your insinuation that law enforcment “loves the confiscation of assets related to drug traffic.”  I have worked with a large number of police officers, state and federal drug agents and have never heard that as a motive for doing their jobs. It wasn’t law enforcement that thought up the idea of enforcing narcotic laws. Any problem that society cannot seem to solve they want to give it to someone else. Things get dumped into law enforcement’s hands that we don’t want to deal with at all. Family disputes, landlord tenant disputes, drunks on the streets, to name a few.

The confiscation of assets came about as a way of helping to fund agencies that could not otherwise afford the equipment and manpower necessary to enforce drug laws. The police didn’t run around begging to enforce narcotics regulations. As a matter of fact we don’t ask to enforce any laws. WE ARE TOLD what laws we will enforce by legislative bodies. These same bodies come up with the ways of funding that enforcement. You know the old adage, “Ours is but to do or die?”

I guess I might know a little about drug cartels, I might even know just an itty bitty bit more than you, but that is only supposition. I didn’t learn a whole lot in 33 years of law enforcement and getting my law degree  while a police officer, but I do think I learned just a little.

why is it always Ron Paul supporters that leave essays as comments? 

Disqus generic email templateOh of course, Kool d. It’s all the doctors fault. Why didn’t I think of that?

Disqus generic email templateKool d: How many people did not drink during prohibition because it was illegal? Your source?

also, what is with the standard “Ron Paul 2012″ after everything they say?? no one else, not even obama supporters, define themselves on every thought with a candidate endorsement!! if you are only interested in one politician ever to be your “Messiah” then you will find the supporting evidence at all costs and if you can’t find it, you’ll make it up!! perfect example is a cult-follower I just encountered that claimed that Israel wants us to back off because we cause all their problems in the world and then in the same conversation, claimed that they just use the US to bully other nations!! it defies all logic!!

Dear Glenn:  Thank you for giving this caller a forum. I too am a Ron Paul supporter and have been since I discovered him in 2006.  I do not agree with all his positions, but believe he is honest, sincere, and incorruptable – a rare and precious quality in anyone let alone a 12 tern congressman running for President.

I am grateful to Ron Paul because inspired me to take the ride through history and economics that you have advocated.  This independent research was a true paradigm changer for me and completed turned my world view up side down. It was a difficult and painful awakening and I literally grieved for months over what I learned.  I was attracted to your radio program because you were teaching the same lessons I have learned on my own and I was delighted to find you encouraging  your listeners to READ and explore and THINK for themselves.  I commend you for this and deeply appreciate the importance of your contribution to awakening Americans to history and how TPTB operate. 

And I know you are holding your breath and rolling your eyes for the proverbial …buuuut….and here it comes…!

What I cannot grasp is how, having taken the same ride through history as I, and knowing how TPTB (elitists) have used war in the past to garner and consolidate power, how you can continue to support  these wars and the military industrial complex.  You are the first person, that I know of, that has gone down this hard and lonely path and does not understand and support Ron Paul’s foreign policy.  Indeed, our war weary troops understand, and support him. I am sure you know that he receives more then twice as much in campaign contributions then all the Republican candidates combined and alsomst twice as much as Obama.  Why aren’t we listening to our troops?  They fight and die for us, do they not deserve our ear?

Furthermore, Michael Scheuer, head of the Bin Lauden unit of the CIA has come out in support of Ron Paul’s non-interventionist foreign policy, even to the extent to state that if we do NOT support Ron Paul’s foreign policy, and continue with the current, interventionist polices of the last decade, we can expect more attacks on America and Americans..ln essence saying we are in more danger if we contine with current policy.  Other members of the CIA have come out in support also…it is this, my history knowledge, and Gen. Smedley Butler’s speech, “War is a Racket” along with reviewing old videos of Ron Paul predicting exactly what we have, and are, experiencing if we continue our interventionist policies, that have convinced me that Ron Paul is right.

Finally, you have stated many times that you unequivically support Ron Paul’s economic policy.  So I humbly ask this question of logic.:

If we believe Randolph Bourne’s  statement in 1914 that ,” War is the Health of the State’ then how can we have a small, decentralized government and maintain a huge military industrial complex continuing to police the world?  These two positions, if held concurrently, seem diametrically opposed to me…it defies logic.

Lastly, (whew, huh?!) On my issue score card, of pros and cons, I keep for all the candidates, Ron Paul resides in the PRO column more then any other candidate.  For this he has won my vote!

For Liberty! 

the  only source i have are the people I have known who lived durning prohibition. A  few of them have told me about the speakeasys and where they were. 1 even told me he remembered how busy these places were.  I am willing to bet more people drank durning prohibition than afterwards because it was the thing to do.  It sure made the mafia strong and many crooked cops and politicians rich

As a Jewish American, I have been weighing my vote carefully, and
am thinking about casting it for Ron Paul. Hear me out. Since our aid to Israel
is overwhelmingly popular, couldn’t Congress draft a law specifically for
Israel’s aid and then override Ron Paul’s veto? Furthermore, Ron Paul has said
that he would only commit our military if Congress declares it. So if Israel
actually ended up in a hot war, Congress could declare war on Israel’s enemy and
Ron Paul would be obligated to use our military to “fight it, win it and
then come home”.

santorum said this about the libertarian right. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL9HrU6Y5-s

I love how you read between the lines and try to twist my words bobba

I never said it was doctors fault!!  But doctors do not take chances with a sickness . And there was a study  a few years ago where many doctors only prescribe 7 days of antibolics where in most cases 10 days should be used to actually make sure the problem does not reappear

 Cuz there’s lots of nice things to say about the dude.

let me tell you something about your confication of property.  It is not right and it happen to a guy i knew farm in iowa . he had 3 kids at the time and a 600 acre dairy farm with many milk cows .  this was  about 20 years ago and happened in the winter. his driveway back to his farm was about 3/4 of a mile long and was  so deep  with snow he could not get out  nor could the milk truck get in so he was having to dump his milk. What happened is someone put a box in his mail box at the end of the road where the roads were kept open . the mail man came by saw the box in the mail box and  saw no stamps on it so took it  in order to tell the farmer that the box can only be used for goods that carried stamps. After a day of carrying the mail and bumping the box around it broke open . the mail man discovered cocaine in it and turned it over to the police. it took a few days for the police to be able to get up his drive and arrest him and by the end of the next week there was an auction to sell his cows  than in time his farm was sold. his childern were taken by the state and his wife no where too stay and without money. 9 months later they decided they did not have a case. he was let go . to this day  i believe he has not got his farm or cows back and last i know he was working in a slaughter house.

Our constitution was written  expressly to not let this happen.  

bubba I do not blame law enforcement on this but dumb politicians who do not understand that for every action there is an equal and oppisite reaction.  nothing is perfect. But to take ones freedom away because of someone elses wrong doing is just not right.

thats the way it should be.
It is not right that only 1 person should put 300 million people into a war . thats why it is suppose to take an act of congress
 

wow he he did say that. well their is no trying to paint this in a good light is their?

Ron Paul is I believe a racist and an anti-semite, his rants about blacks and his rants about Israel are clear indicators of his position on both, blacks and Israel, AKA Jews. Anyone that thinks it would be alright for Iran to go nuclear obviously has lose screws between his ears.  Unfortunately most people tend to be products of their environments and if that’s true, Rand Paul probably has similar views and believes as does his father. Ron Paul does have some great ideas unfortunately they are drowned out by his racist beliefs. I fear that once he is no longer on the podium with the other presidential candidates, that he will run as an Independent and if he does that it might critically wound the Republican Party in the 2012 presidential election.  I must admit I do find Ron Paul somewhat entertaining, especially when he starts ranting and waving his arms in a suit that appears to belong to someone else.

I used to like Beck – started listening when he broadcast out of  Philly.

I was prepared to sign up for the new internet venture but the unfair jabs and prejudice against Paul eliminated that desire. How can I devote my precious time and few pennies to Paul and then turn on the TV or Radio and listen to Beck’s prejudicial comments?  Why would anyone want to listen to these illogical eruptions that are not based on logic but based on prejudice?  If Beck really believes in the Bible, then he is not showing fruit on this issue. I would consider him again if he can convince me that has repented on this issue.   There is no choice here.  The country has fallen apart.  Paul has the only viable, concrete solutions. And he is the only one who can be trusted to actively pursue these ideas, regardless of criticism.  Paul is a Statesman and Beck is worried about a minor management error from twenty-one years ago. Genuine vetting and pointing out proven negative facts is necessary for all candidates, especially to prepare them for the General election.  But Beck is pushing nonsense.  Beck is throwing away a potentially fantastic set of ventures that can be supported by hundreds of thousands of freedom lovers in order to pursue a fiction.        

I used to like Beck – started listening when he broadcast out of  Philly.

I was prepared to sign up for the new internet venture but the unfair jabs and prejudice against Paul eliminated that desire. How can I devote my precious time and few pennies to Paul and then turn on the TV or Radio and listen to Beck’s prejudicial comments?  Why would anyone want to listen to these illogical eruptions that are not based on logic but based on prejudice?  If Beck really believes in the Bible, then he is not showing fruit on this issue. I would consider him again if he can convince me that has repented on this issue.   There is no choice here.  The country has fallen apart.  Paul has the only viable, concrete solutions. And he is the only one who can be trusted to actively pursue these ideas, regardless of criticism.  Paul is a Statesman and Beck is worried about a minor management error from twenty-one years ago. Genuine vetting and pointing out proven negative facts is necessary for all candidates, especially to prepare them for the General election.  But Beck is pushing nonsense.  Beck is throwing away a potentially fantastic set of ventures that can be supported by hundreds of thousands of freedom lovers in order to pursue a fiction.        

As for the newsletter issue: We have to judge our politicians by their actions more than their words. The reason for this is that most lie through their teeth. I was not fooled by Obama as others because I knew his record and ignored his rhetoric. Ron Paul has 20 odd years of actions that don’t indicate racism. In addition, my father, uncle, brother-in-law and brother are doctors. I can tell you that something like this would have escaped them too. You have to understand the medical profession to know how this could happen without his knowledge. Many doctors make horrible managers. The smart ones hire office managers. I’m sure Paul will hire solid people around him too.

If Ron Paul doesn’t get the nomination, Obama has a much better chance at 4 more years. Thus far, Paul is the only one who has been consistent and supports the Constitution.

How many times has anyone here in this forum have heard or read media threaten a  Paul third party run.
Despite Paul’s insistence of otherwise.
Yet, it is still repeated. This week, last week over a month ago. September……………..

Ron Paul is NOT Ross Perot.

I can not vote for Santorum,Romney or Gingrich. Can’t do it
..and who is Jon Huntsman??
I am not totally against Perry, but not for him either. Unfortunately, I did my research when the Tea Party began. Ron Paul has consistently come back on top and not without scrutiny, I had to wrap my head around his foreign policy. Beck actually made some good arguments last spring. I have stuck to my beliefs and Ron Paul is the guy.

where’s the scandals? 
A newsletter? gimme a break. 
Remember Waco? That’s when the kool-aid turned to poison in my youth. Now I fear my government. Women and children killed, people. Americans

Beck, you make these generalizations about Paul supporters, but did you really believe that we we’re all crazy truthers? Did you really believe that we are all racists who think that blacks are evil? Beck, did you forget that your former colleague and friend, Judge Andrew Napolitano is a Ron Paul supporter? Did you forget that famed economist and frequent guest host of Rush Limbaugh, Dr. Walter Williams believes that Ron Paul is the only candidate with a basic understanding of the Constitution? Yes, there are radicals in the Libertarian movement but are there not radicals in every movement? I find arrogance coming from media types such as yourself, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reily(aka Ted Baxter) Mark Levin, and Eric Bolling. You all have called us Paulbots, Paultards, potheads, stupid, in your post above you called our beliefs on foreign policy sophomoric. You are just as bad as the nuts in our camp, you refuse to entertain our views and you call us stupid and naive anytime we try to explain why we feel this way. You call anyone who dare disagree with on your show “sheep” “hopeless” “progressives” “brainwashed” or stupid. You need to take a look at yourself before you attack and smear us. the reason that we appear so insane is because you and the media highlight the nuts in our movement just like the left did to the Tea Party. The majority of us are sane, you and the media just don’t want to show us or admit that we’re not idiot truthers…

If Ron Paul doesn’t get the nomination, most will defect from the party and push for a third party. I will be one of them. I refuse to elect another politician who will continue the status quo. I voted a write-in candidate rather than John McCain in 2008. I heard people say the same thing about McCain. “We should compromise our position in favor of someone more electable.” You can see how that one turned out!

I have found the Constitution to be like the Bible. Truth does weird things to people.
Some just don’t want to follow it. 
All
The
Way

One obvious overlook on your part is that you assume nobody else works around law enforcement. If you think that LEO’s around the country are not putting an emphisis on seizing cash, your nuts.
I don’t believe in manmade gardens of Eden either. We have been hammering down on drugs for years and the industry grows. Tells me it ain’t workin. You know the definition of insanity. You are also wrong about the LEO orgs. not wanting asset seizure laws. They wanted it too.

Disqus generic email templateKool d. I couldn’t agree more! There needs to be procedural due process before property is taken from anyone for any reason.

This was a very reasonable Ron Paul supporter calling to clarify an issue associated with Ron Paul that occurred many years ago in some of the newsletters that went out under his name while he was working full time as an MD (I would guess 100+ hours a week).  Often Glenn Beck or his associates in the radio center cut off the caller in mid sentence, yet the caller kept his calm.  Bottom line:  seems the offending newsletters occurred in only some issues over 2 years, not 2 decades, & looks to me Ron Paul allowed them to go out with his name attached to them without writing them personally or reviewing them properly.  If this is the worst that the opposition research can come up with on Ron Paul some 20 years ago, it means there are slim pickings in digging up dirt on Ron Paul.

I really don’t understand Glenn Beck’s attitude towards Ron Paul.  He’s clearly the only real small government, Constitutionalist running in a Major Party.  This is not just my opinion, but also Judge Andrew Napolitano’s view, who I respect a lot.  No other Major Party candidate will cut $1 trillion in Federal spending the first year & balance the budget in 3 years.  No other candidate understands the threat the Federal Reserve has been to the USA & the once great US Dollar.  No other candidate understands the difference between big government Keynesian economics & small government Austrian economics.  Glenn Beck thinks that Ron Paul’s foreign policy is naive, yet it coincides with what most of our Founding Fathers wanted.  Glenn Beck is also a strong supporter of Israel (as I am), but even Benjamin Netanyahu & the head of the Mossad recently stated that even if Iran got an atomic bomb it would not pose an existential threat to Israel, they could handle the problem themselves.  Ron Paul would take the handcuffs off of Israel & would not push them into any 2 state solution that would result in indefensible borders for Israel.

So my question is:  if Glenn Beck doesn’t like small government, Constitutionalist Ron Paul (& if Ron Paul is the only one that fits that bill), then what big government politician does he want to support?  I thought the whole point was not to be conned into choosing between big government left or big government right!

I agree except I have so far stuck with Beck & his GBTV despite his attacks on Ron Paul because he does think outside the box and comes up with some useful insights.  In this case, I feel Beck is wrong, Ron Paul (flawed though he may be) is our only small government, Constitutionalist with a chance of getting elected, balancing the budget in time to avoid a financial collapse & return us to what our Founding Fathers wanted.

Glenn… there are more rational Ron Paul people out there that do NOT call you, Beck.  Yeah there are some nutty people who support Liberty.  They come from ALL the people.  

Wow!  This man basically predicted the future in a short speech on the House floor 10 years ago!  How can anyone see this video & then NOT want to elect him as POTUS!? Think of all the pain, wounds, death, money, freedom & security we could have saved if only people listened to him.  I know of no other candidate for POTUS who hit the nail on the head so well 10 years ago.

WAKE UP AMERICA!!

And it’s not likely that Ron Paul will be able to cut a trillion dollars from the budget either, since it’s the congress and not the president who gives us the budget. That’s a small detail that so many starry-eyed Paul supporters seem to keep forgetting. 
Another, and perhaps the most important reason not to support him is his Alice-in-Wonderland defense position. He’s actually gone on record as saying he thinks it’s ok for Iran to have nukes. Do you really think that a nation that has publicly stated that one of it’s goals is the annihilation of the United States needs nuclear weapons? He is the modern equivalent of Neville Chamberlaine, and we need him for president like we all need another hole in our heads.

Glenn I respect your concerns over Ron Paul’s foreign policy but I for one have come around to seeing Ron Paul’s foreign policy beliefs a little differently than most.

I certainly see Ahmadinejad as a dangerous and crazy person because he wants to bring about an apocalypse to hasten the return of the 12th Imam. The question I keep asking is: Why on Earth give him what he wants by initiating a war with Iran?! Even dictators have to contend with public opinion because if they push their people too far they will riot and revolt. Iran is already in a sensitive condition to begin with. The Persians initiated the whole green thumb protest movement well before the so called Arab spring even came about, and I guarantee that is on the minds of Iran’s leadership. Ahmadinejad knows that he can’t start a war without the U.S. or Israel really acting out in some way that would outrage the Persian people enough to be at least complicit with an military engagement. The rhetoric and actions we’ve been spewing/taking are playing right into this nut-jobs desires so again I ask, why give him what he wants?

Secondly, I tend to agree with Paul’s position that Israel is more than capable of defending herself against Iran and is capable of taking preemptive measures if they deem it to be in their national interests.

Third, I would also have to point out that if it wasn’t for this whole Iran issue, would people be able to so readily question Paul’s policy?

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Paul’s foreign policy position would be irrelevant if Congress felt that something was important enough to go to war over. That is, after all, the way the Constitution laid out the powers. Given that Paul has said on many occasions that he respects the Constitution and the duties it requires of public servants, I have every reason to believe he would faithfully execute the duties he would be required to, should Congress decide we needed to go to war. It’s kind of like the whole Iowa caucus thing. Its nice to have your guy on top on caucus day, but in the end it is meaningless which place he comes in as long as he placed well, because he’ll still get the delegates, because that is how the system actually works. It would be nice to hear Paul say exactly what we want to hear on foreign policy but at the end of the day it is mostly irrelevant, because the Constitution sets the rules and powers that steer what happens, because that is the way the system actually works (or at least is supposed to). This is of course all for good reason, so that we don’t have a crazy war-mad guy being able to drag us in to whatever conflict he deems worthy, and likewise so we don’t have someone who is unwilling to act when everyone else knows we need to.

The only reason people are making such a big deal about this in the first place is because we haven’t been following our own rules (many don’t even seem to know them) and have been allowing Presidents to illegally execute wars which was not part of their assigned powers.

In the end isn’t that why we need a guy like Paul in the first place? To get someone in who understands, respects, and will faithfully execute his duties under the Constitution. That’s just how I see it anyhow.

I should also point out that your Restoring Courage rally presents a perfect example of one of the points Ron Paul has made about interactions and support with other nations. Namely that people can and should support and aid those in other countries whenever they want and further that people and organizations are usually far more effective at raising awareness and providing aid to others outside of the U.S. than the U.S. government itself. Dr Paul says in his own words (The Revolution pg 102) “Mine is an ‘isolationist’ position only to those who believe that the world’s peoples can interact with each other only through their governments, or only through the intermediary of a supranational bureaucracy. That unspoken assumption is dangerous and dehumanizing.”

Well said. Very much agree.

I know Ron Paul in the past has had lots of earmarks and that is upsetting to me also, but for many years it was standard practice.  All the time he has been pushing for a smaller, Constitutional government, balanced budgets, avoiding undeclared/Unconstitutional wars.  Cut him some slack.  Nobody’s perfect.  But he’s our only true non-Progressive to vote for, who will drastically reduce the size & scope of government & who will balance the budget in 3 years (& perhaps avoid a financial collapse).

Feel the same way. Glenn is not perfect, and Paul is not perfect, but their both about the best we’ve got. I just wish Beck would think a little harder about his issue with Paul. NO candidate will be perfect, but at least Paul has a track record of consistency and honesty. More than you can say about most.

I raised exactly the same point in a comment I posted. You might like to read it.

If he wasn’t even capable of getting decent people to do a newsletter under his name I doubt that he’d capable of hiring solid people for the Whitehouse.

Because a lot of us have done our research.

Sure there are some nut jobs too, but there are plenty that are following each candidate!

Paul has NO chance of ever being our president and those who are wasting their support/votes are delusional if they think he could.

1.  If we don’t engage in foreign interventionism with undeclared, Unconstitutional wars, there is much less of a chance anyone (including Iran) will feel threatened and thus want to attack us.
2.  If Israel feels a nuclear Iran is not an existential threat to them, why should we?
3.  We do not need 800+ bases in 120+ nations around the world.  Many/most can come home and we would be safer when they are home, are modernized & our borders guarded.
4.  Nobody is saying we should unilaterally disarm & give in to Iran’s demands (like Neville Chamberlain ignored/gave in to Hitler).  If Iran attacks or tries to occupy a neighbor, Congress can declare war & we retaliate.  President Paul would do his Constitutional duty.
5.  I know a nuclear, militant, Islamic nation like Iran would not be easy to deal with, but we dealt with the USSR & now with North Korea.

Let us all work hard, raise money, and spread the message of liberty to make sure that Dr. Paul is not only the next president but a president that America can at long last be wholly proud to have. 

Finally, let us pray for Dr. Paul’s safety, and for him to catch every voters’ attention in these two debates this coming weekend with concise, eloquent delivery of truth—these debates are critical for the New Hampshire primary.

God bless Ron Paul!

I rarely agree with liberal pundit Ron Williams on Fox News.  But in a recent interview with Judge Napolitano, he said “Yes” to the question put to him by The Judge if he thought Ron Paul had a chance at getting the nomination.  Is it likely, probably not, but especially in Primaries you vote your favorite & hope they win.  Pundits were calling Santorum delusional about continuing to run a few weeks ago and many were asking him to stop campaigning, as he was “cluttering” the field.

I think that point has been adequately addressed in multiple places.

Pretty much the only part of Ron Paul I do not like, and find extremely scarey if he was to be elected, is his Foreign Policy stance…  The Fed, The Economy, The Constitution – Believe me – we get it Paul Peeps…  He’s spot on, and has been completely consistant! And no-one is questioning that part.  In fact, I’ve yet to find anyone against Ron Paul who will disagree with me on that statement…

The issues – is you also need a President who is strong on Foriegn Policy…  which Paul is not.  He’s rather see us pull out from the rest of the world and “keep our nose” out of the world affairs, and just worry about what’s within our borders.  Big Problem – we are not a self-sufficient nation, we rely too heavilly on regions who want to see our country destroyed.  China, The Middle East?  Do you think they would just suddenly back off if we were to suddenly become a very passive nation?  Absolutely not… 

The Middle East doesn’t want to destroy us because we support Isreal…  They want to destroy us for fundimental reasons surrounding their faith.  We are a Christian Nation – and that is pretty much reason enough for us to be destroyed… 

Iran is flexing its muscles now and threatening us moreso because the current administration is scaling back, and “pulling out” of the Middle East in what they are calling “our defeat”…  They are being emboldened by this policy.  Ron Paul, would embolden them further, I am sorry to say.

As well, we need a President who is truthful and honest…  Unfortunately, Ron Paul blew it when he tried telling us that he doesn’t support the 9-11 Truthers views…  Yes, it only takes dishonesty once to say “nope” to a presidential nomination in my book…

But you know what?  I’d vote for him if he was on the VP side of ticket…  but not on the top…  we strong leadership who will stand up and get in the face of our adversaries and tell them to BACK OFF and flex a little muscle – Ron Paul, would not do that…  He doesn’t believe its our duty to help protect what little bastions of freedom there are left in the world… 

Not for nothing here, but can you tell me how many delagates that Ron Paul won in Iowa?  Just curious…The other question – if he does not recieve the nomination, would you still follow him to the polls in November, even if it meant that you’d be splitting the vote between the Republican Candidate and Dr. Paul – leaving Obama a clear win?

Or would you support the Republican Nominee NO MATTER WHO IT WAS – even if it was NOT Ron Paul?

What will our foreign policy matter when our nation collapses because of $15trillion + in debt?!

Question to ALL Ron Paul supporters…  knowing that if Ron Paul was the nominee, he’d get the support of most Republicans reguardless of how they feel about him now in order to ensure that Obama does not win a Third Term… 

Would you back WHOEVER IS THE NOMINEE – even if it was NOT Ron Paul?  Or would you allow the vote to be split and support him as a third party candidate, knowing that the votes to secure a win for him would not be in your favor?

Do you really think any of the other candidates would be any different than 0ßama?!

RON PAULS THE MAN

I can only speak for myself (also a Tea Party supporter):
1.  I doubt Ron Paul will run 3rd Party, so that possibility is likely moot.
2.  If Ron Paul is not nominated, I agree with Glenn Beck’s idea of NOT voting for a big government Progressive (on the left or right).  So I would probably vote for the best small government, Constitutionalist candidate for President… probably Libertarian or Constitution Party.

“exceptionally sophomoric foreign policy”?!
So following the constitution is somehow construed as undesirable?
Now as I see it, if we keep going in the direction that the GOP and Democrats have led us, we will continue to pile up the debt and eventually be cataclysmic!
How will our foreign policy be important then?
Of all other candidates, how many were re-elected? Newt? Romney? Santorum?
Find out why not!

Interesting point.

1.  I do not believe Ron Paul ever believed that conspiracy theory about Bush somehow participated in the collapse of the Twin Towers (or knew about the attack ahead of time).  I would like to see documentary evidence if that is true.  I’ve only seen him repeatedly harassed by liberal reporters about if he believed in this conspiracy until he refused to keep giving the same “no” answer.
2.  If you refuse to vote for any politician if they tell a single lie, you won’t vote for anyone!  But I agree, lying is bad.

Look for the video tape that Beck showed a few days ago where a Ron Paul supporter (and 9-11 truther) asked him why he wasn’t talking the truth about 9-11…  his answer – “I can’t, its too controversial to deal with right now”…  that he has to concentrate on the rest of his message.  It’s floating around here, the blaze, youtube – you can find it… 

And are you saying that the ONLY place that Ron Paul could do good for the country is as President?  And not in any other role?  He’s not the right man for the job as President – we need someone strong up front and center.  NO-ONE has said Ron Paul doesn’t have great ideas, and great policies…  you don’t have to President to get those great policies and ideas out there and have them enacted and put into being… But then again, he’s been pushing the same policies for a long time…  and still hasn’t garnered the support for them from the Senate or the House…  at least, not enough support to get them moving forward…  if he can’t get them moving now – how would he do it as President?  (without going against Congress and just doing what Obama does when the House and Senate does what he tells him too?)If he doesn’t win the nomination (which we can pretty much garuntee he will not – sorry, but he doesn’t have enough full republican support to get it and we all know that, including Ron Paul himself) then the push should turn to his POLICIES…  Especially the Economic policies that so many of his supporters tout as being the shining reason he should be elected…Personally – I think a Romney / Paul or Santorum / Paul ticket would be a landslide victory for Republicans in 2012…  a third party run for Paul - no matter who is the nominee for President, would put the election in the bag for Obama.  There is not enough support for ANY candidate to run Third Party and win – there are TOO many voters who will go with ANY REPUBLICAN regardless of who it is (which is sad, but the unfortunate truth).I never liked the statement that “Voting for ______ is just throwing away your vote” because I don’t believe a single vote is ever thrown away.  But in this upcoming election,  a third party candidate will be a throw-away vote (no matter who it is…  Paul, Trump, Palin – who seems to have not ruled out getting in it again).  QUESTION:  If Ron Paul was NOT running – who would you be behind?  Romney?  Santorum?  Gingrich?  Huntsman?  That’s a even more curious question…

Here’s another great question for the Ron Paul supporters…  Let’s say that Ron Paul decided to completely drop out of the race – who then, would your Number Two choice be in this race?  I’m curious to see how many RP supporters are even willing to answer this particular question…  and do so – Honestly…  and be to the point about it… 

WHO – OTHER THAN RON PAUL…  would you support, and Why?

Who would be your candidate out of this field of Conservatives (or other candidates if not in this group) if it wasn’t Ron Paul in the race?  Seriously…  if the election was held today – and those running right now were your choices – (other than Paul) who would be your choice…  (NOT PARTY, PERSON)

I will not vote at all, if Ron Paul does not get the nomination. Because people like Romney is Obama so we would get another puppet for the new world order and we will be screwed as a nation.

RON PAUL IS THE MAN– DON’T SETTLE FOR THE OTHER USUALS.

Yours maybe…

i am confused. i didn’t really hear beck say anything against ron paul, but rather that his supoerters are a bit fanatical and opperate without reason. seeing the posts from all you ron paul suporters pretty much makes his point. if his suporters would put away the pichforks and start reasoning things out they might acturaly get their man elected, but what i have seen from you, i would hesatate from voting for ron paul

um….so was the base of this because you want legalized heroin?

they took the police a few days to get to him to arrest him? how did they justiffy arresting him when it was obvious that he couldn’t even get to the mailbox to begin with? sounds like a land grab to me. just like the salem witch trials

As to the argument that Dr. Paul is a poor manager……………………………

His plan to reduce the size and scope of the government should make it much more manageable. Nothing discussed here effects my support of the good Doctor. Glen wants to quibble because the only constitutional candidate doesn’t wanna blow s#%* up. I mean I know Glen likes the constitution, but what he really loves, is explosions.  

I will give your question a shot.

I believe we should legalize all drugs and regulate them as we do with both alcohol and tabacoo. Two drugs which are both legal and easily available to those whom it is illegal for them to posses and use. Also 2 drugs which compared individually to all illegal drugs combined still cause more harm and deaths every yr, but they are legal, go figure.

The war on drugs started aprox 80 yrs ago, and has proven to be a complete failure, a shame we can’t learn from the lessons of our own past, the failure of Prohabition.

Drugs used to be legal, including herion, there were no laws against them, and based on the history books it would appear that there were not wide spread cases of drug wars, drug crimes, etc, nor were there drug cartels waging war to control turf. A study of history prior to the beginning and a lack of examples of the rampant drug issues we face today since the beginning of this losing war should be example enough to answer your questions.

However, the real question is what evidence do you have to show that in the 80 yrs that the US gov’t has waged it’s war, primarily on plants and the flowers they produce and those that decided to partake of the plants fruit, is anything but a failed attempt at gov’t control of the individual?

We waste billions of dollars every yr on interdiction, arrest, and imprisionment of our own citizens while creating multi billion dollar drug cartels, who will use what ever means available to continue to make thier money.

So instead of wasting billions on a failed war, we should legalize the drugs. Treat it as a business, regulate it, and tax it.

Talk about generating new revenue.

The billions wasted on trying to fight the basic laws of supply and demand economics would be better spent on treatment programs, and education, for a lot less cost.

You question the costs associated with the problems of legalization, without questioning the costs associated with the continued war. This war has taken many vicitims, from all walks of life, including corrupt law enforment and gov’t officials who have taken part in the drug trade, not to mention the effect it has taken on average citizens who have been caught up in the war.

It took open warfare on the streets of Chicago to end Prohabition, what’s it going to take to wake up to the stupidity of our continued war on drugs?

Why in the caption does Dr appear in quotation marks?  That is an implication that he is not a real doctor and very condescending.

Sophomoric foreign policy?  Ron Pauls stance on foreign policy is more well thought and researched than a mere “radio personality” and his two stooges.

Ron Paul has clearly indicated he is for a strong defense. I don’t find that passive. Actually I find it quite positive that at least Ron Paul listens to and analyzes the information collected by our CIA and takes it to heart. That is one of the characteristics of good leadership, being willing to accept and trust those who know more about what is really going on as opposed to looking for the answers you want to hear in order to politically exploit them.

I don’t believe a president has to be any stronger on foreign policy than being in favor of free trade, keeping a dialogue with other nations, and monitoring what is going on and being prepared for the possibility of threats to our country. Nothing Paul has said leads me to believe he would be weak on any of these points. All he has done is question the logic of so called ‘preemptive strikes’ and having so many military bases all over the world, because these things leave the door open for the more imperialistic style of leaders to abuse them and because they are part of what is bankrupting our treasury.

If we need to go to war then that is Congress’ job to determine such, not the president’s. I really do believe the whole foreign policy concerns are moot for exactly this reason.

History shows us that this is EXACTLY how Reagan helped bring down the Soviet Union, by sending them into wild debt because of military overspending. We destroyed them with their own debt by outspending them militarily. Does anyone think for a second that the radical Islamic terrorist and factions don’t know this and aren’t using the same tactic, forcing us to spend ourselves into a hole militarily, only this time by using fear instead of outspending as the instrument to achieve that objective?

I would either write him in or vote Libertarian.  Absolutely nothing will change if any other candidate gets elected.  The Democratic and Republican parties are both hell bent on running this country into the ground with wars, entitlements, debt, and money printing.  Ron Paul is the only one running that has any clue as to how to turn this country around.  Every Ron Paul supporter I have ever met agrees with me on this and will vote the same way.  We are all rational human beings, it has to make you wonder why exactly are we so fanatical.  Can we all be just crazy lunatics?  Why does the active duty military overwhelmingly support Ron Paul?  Are we all just potheads?  No.  Its because Ron Paul is a man of principals and we vote on principals. I don’t even remotely trust or agree with any of the other candidates, and for good reason. I researched all of them just as much as I researched Dr. Paul. Believe me I would love it if there were a decent second choice for me, but there is none. If you really want to understand what he is all about check out Liberty Defined.

That’s a complicated question actually because the results of the caucus are non-binding. Iowa has 25 delegates to award. The conventional wisdom at the moment is 7 for the national gop convention but it could be more or less depending on how things continue during the course of the primary season.
The softpledge best guess is something like 7-7-7-4, or possibly 8-6-6-3-2 (Romney, Santorum, Paul, Gingrich, Perry), but again that is only a guess and is based on the percentages and is very subject to change depending on who drops out and what the delegates ultimately decide. It is possible that Paul could come out with more than everyone else.

See: http://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-winner-iowa-caucuses-strategy-201201#ixzz1iTIgUoWk

The blaze also covered it too:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/did-you-read-about-the-sly-move-the-ron-paul-camp-pulled-last-night/

i am i just pointing it out to the people who think that he is perfect.

Good question about Dr being in quotes.

What a minuet, You cant see yourself saying the drug war is racist? I think the remark was flippant in the least however that was the just of the content of the newsletter you are talking about. I mean we do have the highest percentage of black people in prison and they are there for mostly drug charges. Even though Paul didn’t say it, and I am not racist, I could see myself making that remark in a flippant manor. Just saying also that yes I hear the supporters are arrogant, thankfully I haven’t seen that, the ones I know who support him are very well informed and articulate, but I can say that I have seen the rude, and verbally assaultive behavior comming from those that dont like him. Those are the ones who dont do any of their own vetting and believe whatever msm tells them, that Paul hates Isreal ect. Just my two cents.

See my comments to your caucus question where you asked the same.

Glenn, have you done your homework?  You should practice what you preach before endorsing someone like Rick Santorum.  Check out his record:  

Rick Santorum is anything but a conservative.  Just consider his record, which includes:
***     Padding his own wallet as a corporate lobbyist at the expense of taxpayers;
***     Voting to RAISE the debt ceiling five times;
***     Voting to DOUBLE the federal Department of Education;
***     Voting with liberals like Ted Kennedy on multiple occasions in support of Big Labor’s radical agenda;
***     Urging more federal involvement in housing with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac;
***     Voting to create a brand new, unfunded entitlement, Medicare Part D, the largest expansion of entitlement spending since President Lyndon Johnson – creating $16 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities;
***     Endorsing liberal Big Government RINOs like Arlen Specter over conservatives.  Of course, Specter later became a Democrat and worked hand-in-glove with President Obama to pass his radical agenda;
***     Voting for Sarbanes-Oxley, which imposed dramatic new job-killing accounting regulations on businesses;
***     Supporting raising taxes on oil companies, which directly costs Americans more money out of their pockets at the gas pump;
***     Voting for gun control;
***     Voting to give Social Security benefits to illegal aliens, while voting against an additional 1,000 border patrol agents;
***     Voting to give $25 million in foreign aid to North Korea;
***     Voting to send hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars to Planned Parenthood - the nation’s largest provider of abortion – and hand out hundreds of billions of dollars in foreign aid to enemies of Israel.
But unlike many of my other establishment opponents, Rick Santorum isn’t even trying to sweep his Big Government record under the rug.

He’s proud of it!

Rick Santorum said constitutional conservatives have a “crazy” idea that government should “keep our taxes down, and keep our regulations low.”

Not only that, but he endorsed Mitt Romney just four years ago! 

How can the “alternative to Romney” also be a Romney supporter?

copy and paste from the Boston Globe?

Brian, the public first has to understand who/what the World Order people are about.  To some its just another conspiracy..unfortunately.    

 Ron Paul has gone about getting that info out in a fanatical way and that is why the public hasn’t taken him seriously.   His other problem is his idea of isolation-no one likes war, but those wanting to hurt the US and it’s citizens don’t need to know we won’t fight if need be.  Aslo, alienatng a group of people (Jews) does not bode well with most Americans. 

 We need to know our president has everyone’s back otherwise RP is no different than Obama.

RP has sprirt, passion and isn’t afraid of controversey-I admire that in him, but as a leader of the free world…not so sure. Am I that wrong on my analysis?

I will vote for the Libertarian party as I have for the last 45 years.  The only party that understands the idea of individual rights and the ideas of our founders.  I refuse to compromise my principles and vote for the lesser of two evils.  I do not want someone who thinks it’s OK to compromise my liberty in order to get things done.  I’m looking for someone who can get things undone.
  Freedom can sound pretty scary but the alternative is much scarier.

I agree with everything you’ve said, but there are only two parties, like it or not.   It’s the people’s minds that need changing.  Voting your way is a vote for the very person you are against.  That doesn’t make sense!    After the election, do you go back to doing what you’ve probalby done in the past and expecting a different outcome?

You’ll be facing the same dilemma in four years.    Get your butt up and start rallying your base now.   You can not sit back and stay silent…ever.  Start educating people about the Federal Reserve and its workings.  Get out flyers, start classroom lectures on the subject.   You would be surprised how many people know nothing about the Fabian Socialists or what fiat money is or who Cecil Rhodes is. 

Knowing your enemy is half the battle to destroying it.

if ron paul dropped out  , I would have to go with rick perry because he would at least get rid of 3 agencies and do away with progressive income tax (a very liberal thing).

the guest is the only one that makes sence you cock suckers need to kill your selfs and do the world a favor please.

are you a racist?  I do not know what is in someones mind when they  say something because many things can sound racist or bigoted but that does not make it true, when i think of politics i never even entertain the idea of race. I look at someone  to see if he is a doer or an user  a constitutionalist or a progressive.  which one are you? 

i can not support romney

Our debt is not what it seems.  Without it, our economy collapses according to what has been written.   It’s called fiat money and the system was created for easy manipulation of it and us!   I am not a Ron Paul supporter.
I just like to read, The Creature from Jekyll Island is a non-fiction piece of work that will keep you wired and up at night.   It all started with the birth of the Federal Reserve in the late 1800′s and the barons behind it.

who can! LOL!

ryan   I have known santorum for many years , he is a very caring person 
but he  is not the change we need to save the country  , we are broke broke broke and no half ass measure is going to fix that . the bail outs were a very big mistake for 1   Thisyear will probably be a flat year because obama wants the economy tobe looking good but by 2013  only really drastic action will pull us out of this mess I know calvin coolage would be backing Paul, and I bet so would Reagan , both knew it was all about economics

let me  explain earmarks and where they came from . In 1913  the 16th amendment was passed some call it income tax. well this money was coming in from  all of the states and the federal government needed a way to disperse it back to the states that were in more need of it. (wealth redristribution) .This is where earmarks came from and large staffs. before income tax most senators might have had 1 aid now they might have 100. So  in most cases if a  senator or congressman did not get  their fair share back  to their district they did not get reelected/.
IMHO if we got rid of income tax much of this would go away for when the federal governent owns the purce strings of each state that  when we loose  our individual freedoms and laws are dictated to the masses from a few. look at the epa.

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/print-edition/2010/12/31/earmark-free-spending-bill-pgh-projects.html?page=all  here is an article on earmarks

problem is through income tax is that the federal government robs a states citizens through income tax and this is about the only way a state can get that money back.

I have no idea why you thought that I was a racist, which I am not, but I have little doubt that Ron Paul is NOT a racist and an anti-semite, his rants in his papers clearly spell that all out loud and clear as does his position on Israel and Iraq. The man is clearly out of his mind and will never be nominated for president.

Oh great, surprise, surprise. Who bought you off Glenn? Weren’t you the one that said Ron Paul was our only hope in no uncertain terms? Now your sinking low. Slinging mud at a man who has done nothing but support what you say you stand for freedom and the constitution, yet you bring up this crap up. I’ve had it, I’ve defended you in the past against unfair smear attacks on your character, and your personality and I thought you were above trotting out dirty politics to sink somebody who has done nothing but stick to his principles. I am done with you, as of today I will not listen to you, I am unsubscribing from your newsletter and your facebook page. Fool me once shame on you. I just want to know Glenn was it worth it? Was it worth it to throw you weight behind somebody and then turn around and stab them in the back? I guess some of your enemies were right about you and I was the naive one. Have a nice time promoting big government lite this coming election.  You for small government? What a phoney.

Well, to be honest, it is actually still debatable whether the intel was good with Iraq or not.  There are still many people who believe that Hussein hid the WMDs in Syria or Iran, you know, and they won’t be 100% satisfied until we do a deep search EVERYWHERE in the Mideast, which is, of course, impossible to do.  That is a small group of people to be sure, but it is a group of people who actually still have some merit for believing that the WMDs are still over there.  To be honest, I was once part of that group.  No longer am.  However, there still are people who are.

E-gads!  I can’t believe the comments here for Ron Paul.  His foreign policy is just downright frightening.  We lost the last election because we had a tired old man, and Ron Paul is even older.  If Ron Paul would get the nomination, Obama would get another 4 yrs for sure. 

Why is his foreign policy downright scary?

Personally I find our continued role as world policeman to be scary.

I would only vote for someone who is not a “Progressive”, someone who is not for ever bigger, more Unconstitutional government & someone who will balance the budget soon.  Someone not discussed here is Gary Johnson, but he’s probably not on the ballot in upcoming primaries and he was not pro-life.  I think the rest of the GOP are “Progressives” & won’t turn this nation around.  They are better than Obama, but that’s not saying much.

I saw that video.  Again, he didn’t say he supports them.  You are reading too much into that answer.

Ditto!
Also, Ron Paul would pick up a lot of anti-war Democrats & small government, freedom loving Independents who are worried about out debt crisis & budget deficits.
Ron Paul is a threat to both big government Ds & Rs.  I don’t see the establishment Rs voting for Obama out of dislike for Ron Paul.  But significant numbers of big government Ds I see as defecting to Ron Paul out of Obama fatigue & dissatisfaction.

First I agree with you that we have to educate the people.  We are battling 100 years of professional propaganda.

Secondly,  I don’t need anymore guilt laid on me than I’ve already laid on myself.  I am very much an introvert and my writing, speaking, and organizational skills are poor at best.  Thankfully the internet has given me a chance to try and improve my writing skills and maybe educate a few people along the way.  The main problem with many of us individualists is that we don’t merge with the herd very well and don’t really want to.  For example:  Tea Parties supporting Romny? and  Beck, of all people, bashing RP?  Glad I did not contribute any of my money to either of them.

Third, I consider not voting your principles is self defeating.  The more people vote for their principles the more credibility they will gain, and the more credibility they gain the more people they will attract.  RP is a threat to the power establishment and they all want his votes.  They rightly assume that their nominee will automatically get them – anyone but Obama.  I think a much stronger message  to send them is ” If you don’t have the right message we ain’t voting for you and you ain’t gonna win”.

Ron Paul is a dissaterous nominee for America and the world. Do you really support that lunatic guy?
 

Israel doesn’t ask you to donate materials and personnel….. if you do so it means that your leader think that it is the right way for America own interests.

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I am curious why you think Ron Paul is a lunatic and why he would be dissasterious for America and the world?

As I look around the world I don’t see how our involvment in everyone else’s business has done any real good for the world. Since the end of WW2 we have taken over the role of world’s babysitter and after 80 yrs, and the fall of the Soviet bear and an end to the cold war we are on the verge of bankruptcy as a nation.

We support everyone else with foriegn aid, support in time of disasters (Hatai, Phillipines, Chile, Japan, etc) both natural and financial (UN, IMF, Foreign Aid, etc) yet around the world we are spit on.

Enough of us cleaning up the mess the Europeans left the world. We can’t even take care of our own yet we borrow money to support others.

Yeah I support Ron Paul, his track record is better than any other canidate out there. His ideas only seem far fetched and disasterous to those that think it is our role to dictate to the world what we think is best for them.

And we have only touched on foreign policy.

It’s time we quit being the world’s babysitter, bring all our troops home, and use them in the role the Constitution dictates they be used for, National Defense. We could use them to secure our borders instead of the borders of other nations. We could then end the gov’t agency known as the Border Patrol, since securing our borders is the role of the military.

Until we have no homeless and poor in the United States of America I wouldn’t give a wooden cent to any other nation. I would trade with all but the entitlement mentality we have created has got to end.

Personally I find those that believe we should continue on the path we have followed for 80 yrs are lunatics and disasterous for the world.

This video of Ron Paul from 2002 should be seen everywhere in America:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=meFjza6BpEA

it’s too bad we didn’t listen then.

I am very unhappy with the Republican field of candidates.  They are
old establishment or extremely liberal in their ideals. 
I want honor, integrity, courage, stamina to stay the course and I don’t
see it in any candidate except Ron Paul.
If  he does not get the nomination, I will write in Sarah Palin.  She is real
and she is America. 
Everyone says if I do a Write In that Obama will get elected.  If I vote for
a Republican with Obama Ideals, we will still have an Obama like President.

God gives us courage to do what is right.  If we fail God, we have failed our-
selves and this great America.  I do not want on my conscience that I left
America to be destroyed by the establishment no matter which party is in
office.  I  want my children to be proud that they have parents who love
them enough to do what is right.

If the American people would pay more attention to what is going on in
their government instead of watching games on TV,  watching American
Idol,  playing with their phones, etc.  we wouldn’t be in this mess.  Our
government has squandered the money that would have kept this country
viable.  Many Americans are like ostrichs with their heads in the sand.  They
don’t want to know.  I have heard people openly admit it.  Look at the people
who are interviewed by news reporters.  They don’t know anything about what
is happening in this country.  We have to educate them.  Make them think.

God Bless America and all of you.

I just can’t see not voting at all.  Ross Perot split the vote way back when.  Is that what the country wants.  Handing Obama another four years on a gold platter?

Glenn, you have been the most profound public voice of reason that I know of in my entire life (32yrs). My generation has been groomed for socialism, and to disdain politics. You have helped immensly to wake people up to a reality that is sometimes difficult to grasp. One must learn to learn, and develop a perspective that is beyond their own selfish desires. You have championed that necessary cause.

But your consistent belittling of people (not just RonPaul) is atrocious. You DO have an arrogant slant that tends to paint a picture that others (though not ALL) are so intelectually and perhaps morally beneath you. This constant satire is damaging to your cause. I am afraid that your success (of which I am delighted for) will be met with a natural “check” in your pride when it comes to this topic. I hope you will be able to adjust your mentality before the market adjusts it for you, as it most surely will. I cannot stand to listen to your radio show for this very reason. You constantly make fun of people you don’t agree with.

Ron Paul supporters are the epitome of the movement YOU have helped to facilitate (rightly and effectively so). I am sooooo grateful and thankful for you and all that you do. I doubt that you will even read this comment, but I hope that it’s message will somehow reach your ears. I have never met a RP supporter that I would in any way feel comfortable speaking such harsh critism toward as you flipantly do. His campaign is a movement of the PEOPLE, and it’s the people’s voice putting him there, not his great personality. Apparently, you don’t understand that, and that is very surprising, sad, and disappointing to many Beck fans (of which I am a strong advocate).

Just want to let you know I agree.  Don’t know what happened to Beck.  He manage to go from my favorite talk show host that I had listen to for years to someone I can’t stand to listen to anymore and had to turn off.

Disqus generic email templateJohnM”: You seem to believe that when legalized, drug use will go down! After all, 80 years ago, when we lived in an entirely different moral environment than we do today, there weren’t as many people using drugs. Your argument about alcohol being such a problem is absolutely correct. So you say look alcohol is a REAL problem, let’s legalize drugs and increase that problem by at LEAST double!! Rattle snakes are legal, so let’s legalize Scorpions! Makes sense I guess. Or your logic is that if drugs were legal, drug use would go down??!! Wow, I would love to see where you get that from.
You talk about the costs of waging a drug war, and yet you do not see any costs involved in legalization. Do you honestly believe that if the costs of drugs were brought down to say $5.00 a dose, that people who need anywhere from 1 (they don’t stay at one very long) to 15 doses a day as drug users and unable to work or get a job because of their use, could still pay for the drugs? Who would support them and their families? You got it, the taxpayers. Housing, medical care, transportation, food, clothing all subsidized by the taxpayers. Incidentally, this country has had extensive drug treatment programs available for years! BILLIONS of dollars have been spent on them. We used to go to drug clinics and watch drug deals going down left and right in the parking lots and even in the hall ways of these clinics. If you think the costs involved in fighting drug wars would be a lot more than taking care of millions of addicts, I again would have to see your stats!
And, you have failed to answer my questions about how much a person could buy at one time? What would the purity of the drugs be? (ie; what percent of active ingredients would the drugs contain?). If an addict couldn’t buy all they wanted or get the purity they wanted, up springs a black market! Yep, more cartels and drug dealers! If you legalized ALL drugs, then that would mean ALL drugs including prescription medications of every type and kind. After all if you were going to legalize hard narcotics why not antibiotics, blood pressure meds, and every other medication on the market?
Are you a marijuana user? Your fourth paragraph about flowering tops of plants, etc. shows me that you are primarily concerned with marijuana. Of course every user of marijuana feels it should be legalized. After all, it is a totally harmless drug right? Time for you to start reading your medical studies and stop listening to a bunch of potheads who want their use of the drug legalized. The government has a legitimate interest in protecting the health and welfare of it’s citizens. Legitimate medical studies have shown that drug use is harmful to ones body. In addition, there are a number of societal problems created by the use of drugs (lack of productivity, accidents to themselves and others, many fatal, broken homes and families, costs associated with drug treatment programs, immune system reduction and a subsequent increase in diseases, loss of motivation of the users).
Having worked narcotics for many years, I was able to watch a very typical scenario develop in the community where I worked. A large community in Southern California). The scenario would go something like this: A high school teenager, getting As and Bs in school. A football player or involved in other types of athletics or music. Introduced to pot at a party. Begins smoking socially. Gradually the use increased. Began missing school and athletic or band practice. These absences grew worse. Began seeking a better high, or was introduced to a “harder drug” while high on pot. I would receive a call of a DBR (Dead Body Report) in a private residence, motel or hotel and go and find this once normal teenager with the potential of a bright future, lying on the floor, sitting in a chair or bathtub, dead! I REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE THIS. MARIJUANA IS NOT A HARMLESS DRUG! Rationalizations by users do not make it so. Probably the most dangerous thing about marijuana is the belief that it is harmless. THC, the active ingredient in marijuana is a hallucinogen. Milder of course than LSD or “Shrooms”, but it is a hallucinogen. THC is stored in the fatty tissues of the body for long periods of time. Health studies have shown that the ability to concentrate on problems, etc. is diminished with longer use of the drug. Motivation is greatly impacted. Paranoia to varying degrees occurs.
You end with “treat it as a business, regulate and tax it.” So, you don’t think that regulating it and taxing it would also create a black market and thus cartels and drug dealers? Regulation also creates problems as I have pointed out above. How much can a person buy at one time? What percentage of purity can they buy? Where can they buy it?
Then you talk about the billions wasted on enforcing the laws. However, you fail to look at the other costs involved in legalization. You also fail to recognize that state, local and federal governments have spent BILLIONS on drug treatment programs with absolutely no effect. Why would these treatments work when the drugs became legal?!! You also cannot tell me how many people did not drink during prohibition because it was illegal, who might otherwise have been drinking.
I’m sorry, JohnM, but your arguments have not been convincing to me. I still see the tendency to oversimplify a chronic problem. Before any legalization could occur, there MUST be a well debated, thorough study of the questions I pose. It may be that at some time, we would be ready to take such a drastic step. But to just willy-nilly legalize it, thinking “Problem Solved,” Is dangerous. Legalizing could potentially lead to far more problems than any “war on drugs.” Thank you, JohnM. I really do appreciate your response. I hope you realize that I am not absolutely dead set against legalization, but before we ever take such a step, it must be done very carefully. Perhaps even using a city, or county like San Francisco, to see what results might occur. I’m sure they would be open to that.

Fair is fair.

   Beck is a Brigham-bot.

  He is a member of an extreme radical religious sect driven out of town by mainstream Christians.

  He is an alcoholic so why would anybody listen to him.

  His Becktards sit around with their nose up his rear waiting for him to declare who they should vote for.

  And have you read some of the nasty, hateful, idiotic comments made by some of his Becktards?

  Perhaps his real motivation is to get a fellow Mormon elected.

All these “facts” prove that Beck is an idiot and a dangerous man.

I could accept that if you can explain why that same intel did not explain how those weapons got out undetected……HMMMM…. I only hear the sound of crickets.

Actually we can look at Portugal and the Netherlands for examples as to what happens when drugs are not treated as a crime.

I don’t know what will happen to people who can’t afford their drugs if legalization was implemented…. what do they do now? Who supports them now? Who regulates the quality now? How much can a person buy at one time now?

Are you suggesting the drug war is a success? From your arguments it would appear you think the US gov’t is winning it’s on going war.

Considering, pot, herion, cocaine, opium and a host of other illegal drugs are all products produced from plants my statement was ment in a general scope of the situation. Or are you suggesting that after your 30 odd yrs of le you only knew that pot came from a plant?

So in your example of the Southern Cal football player, you are suggesting that the current war on drugs has worked to protect said individual from the use of drugs how? After all I would have to assume that happened in the last 30 yrs and as such it happened while said drugs were illegal.

So exactly how is the current laws effective in preventing drug use/abuse?

I think taxing it and regulating it would create as much of a black market as we see with alcohol and tabacco.

And you can’t tell me how many people didn’t drink because it was illegal to use alcohol during prohabition. What’s your point? It’s obvious you missed mine. Is it going to take open warfare on the streets of our cities over drug turf for people to realize the war is a failure?

If the war was as successful as you try to paint it, we would not have the ongoing civil war on our southern border between the Mexican gov’t and the various drug cartels.

Since you have yet to explain what benefits we have realized from the 80 yr war on drugs, I am not exactly sure what potential costs or problems you think there will be.

It’s not like the drug war hasn’t produced corrupt law enforcement officals, or gov’t officals, or filled our prisions with non violent offenders, or created rich drug families. I am really curious as to what exactly you think is going well in regards to the drug war.

His record is what it is.

Hear, hear, Jacob.  You said the very words I’ve been searching for.  I am so grateful to Glenn for enlightening me on what’s happening to our country.  I had no idea things could ever move in such a direction. I’m in my 50s and have always felt so safe with our Constitutional protections that I never paid much attention to what was going on in Washington, DC and, apparently, around the country.   I have always dutifully voted.  But I have never done as much homework as I have this past year, thanks in large part to Glenn’s eye-opening episodes.   I would like to have DVDs of his shows from 2009/2010, they were excellent.  I don’t know why he has changed course now.  It’s very disappointing.

The ONLY DUMMY is YOU, little man. Adolf = obama..so stupid are you. You go ahead and vote him, you moron. You sound like a typical paulbot, the same kind of idiot that gave oduma$$.

What was the bottom line? Is Ron Paul fit to be Commander in Chief or not?

Glenn provided the world with very accurate information which would occur globally and domestically, specifically the middle east regarding the collapse of countries in order and the rise of the caliphate. He also announced the coming Occupy movement months before it occurred. For this, his supporters are thankful. I am one.

He stated on his prior Fox television show more than once that he “was getting this information from a reputable source” and that the Administration would love to know from whom.  Those actions happened as they foretold by him to the letter and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out where he got the information. Global political events don’t happen randomly. They are planned years in advance.

Regarding Ron Paul, Glenn is not against Ron Paul so much as he is for Mitt Romney, who has been waiting in the background. Beck along with many of us have known Romney will receive the nomination overwhelmingly and this was Beck’s payoff. Like Beck, Romney is LDS and I see nothing wrong with any of it. Keep in mind, Glenn Beck is a paid performer by his own admission. Beck is not going to support Paul no matter how many impressive pleas may be made and this is why he has allowed them.

If Glenn Beck supports big government, Progressive Romney, he will contradict all that he has been preaching for years.  He might even self-destruct, although people might decide to give him a “pass”.  The only logical choice for Glenn Beck is a non-Progressive… a small government, Constitutionalist.  If not Ron Paul (probably because he doesn’t like Paul’s foreign policy), then someone like Paul with a more agreeable foreign policy… maybe a Libertarian or Constitution Party candidate.

Well put.  I feel just about the same!

Another well put set of remarks that parallel my thoughts.  I also liked very much Sarah Palin who had LOTS of common sense.  She also clearly warned the GOP establishment to not alienate the Ron Paul supporters.  But, like in the past, they are not listening to her.

I tell you Frank, it is an odd thing. But I believe Beck’s conservative values and the fact that he is a Mormon were not overlooked when Murdoch put him in prime time. He clearly won over the Christian right who once would have never considered Romney because of his faith.  There is no doubt that conservatives in large part no longer see Romney through an evangelical veil of exclusion. I believe this was by design. Beck is a businessman, and a successful one. He knows if Paul wins the nomination that uneducated America (The Majority) will not vote him in to office. Just my opinion.

He’s not saying that he’s not going to vote.  You misunderstood him, I think.  He will vote.  But he will only vote for for his principles, probably by voting Libertarian again if Ron Paul is not an option.  I might do the same.  No more voting for the lesser of 2 evils (big government D or R).

Yep, I’ll probably do the same… but I will probably prefer a Constitution Party candidate, if possible.

Vote, but vote 3rd Party or write-in.  It’s our duty as a good citizen to cast an informed vote.

What I don’t understand is that we are arguing about racism while the Fed sends somewhere between 16 and 23 trillion dollars out the door (whether you go with Bloomberg or the limited audit that the Frank Dodd bill got). Racism in America isn’t going to matter when the economy collapses. Ron Paul obviously isn’t a racist and everybody says inappropriate things once in a while. I’ll bet if we follow Glenn Beck around with a microphone, we’ll hear some pretty incriminating stuff. The truth is that Beck just wants what the rest of the media wants. They want to pick the president for us. Meanwhile, no other candidate is willing to take on the biggest problem we have, The Federal Reserve.

Very interesting point I never considered.

I just want to respond to you, Cynthia, as well as danisme, abrayoungham, and Abe Bird. Please hear me out. You all bring up completely valid points about Glenn’s stance on Ron Paul. I can see how it might be misleading, but I want to bring up some other points in his defense. Ron Paul is great on the economy. Dead on. Glenn knows and acknowledges this over and over. And it’s not even necessarily Paul’s foreign policy that Glenn disagrees with. It’s Paul’s stance on Israel and radical Islam. Glenn, and myself, agree that we should be as isolationist as possible. We cannot promote Capitalism and Peace through actions of War. We must lead by example. I know that Ron Paul agrees with this, along with most other Christians and Libertarians. The place that we lose Paul at is self defense. 

Surely Paul, along with all of you, would agree that if a man breaks into your house, you ought to shoot him. But what if you’re walking down the street and he points a gun at you? Until he actually pulls the trigger or demands money, it appears he hasn’t physically infringed upon your property. But he has. He has violently interfered with your intended path through the direct threat of force. So would you shoot him first if you had the chance? I would. Absolutely. Well, Iran is the man pointing a gun. Sure, their threats might be empty. They might being trying to rally their people or whatever. But if you’re going to point a gun at me, I’m going to shoot you. Your intentions don’t matter to me. The problem with Ron Paul, is that he doesn’t actually believe they’re pointing a gun. He thinks, and perhaps rightfully so, that we pointed the gun first. We have done this many times in trying to police the world. But the last I checked, of our 700 military bases, none are in Iran. We haven’t bombed them, or attacked them. We’ve done this to other Islamic nations, but not them. Which is where the Radical Islam comes in.12ers and other Radical Islamists believe that America is the Great Satan and that Israel is the Little Satan. They have sworn over and over that they are going to kill us and all of the Jews. I don’t know about you, but it’s time to shoot. They’re pointing a gun in our face. Paul doesn’t even just disagree with this, but it appears he doesn’t support Israel as well. Israel, the most free country in the Middle East. So when it comes down to it, is it worth sacrificing our strongest ally and perhaps our lives, for our economic rights? I don’t think so. Ideally, we want our lives, our allies, and our economic rights, without having to shoot anyone. But the gun is already loaded and in our face guys. And when it comes to Israel and the Jews, God will not hold us guiltless.

Our leaders are supposed to be led by us. I have no interest in $4 gas or worse. In fact, if I had things my way, we would go to a hydrogen economy and never buy middle east oil again. Stop the killing! Return to the Constitution! End the Fed! No more foreign aid!

I think Ron can win. But, if he doesn’t, they won’t find us so funny when they have to rely on our votes. Becktards should keep that in mind as we walk out on the GOP and vote third party. Then, they can either come with us or welcome obama for four more years! Glen should remember the old saying about crapping where he eats.

I hear you.  But the Federal Reserve is part of our overall big government problem… although I grant you it may well be the core problem underlying most other problems:

The Federal Reserve pulls the stings and “buys” the politicians with campaign contributions via various means, these politicians then can “buy” votes via advertisements & campaign promises.  The voter is the sucker in the end cutting his own throat because ultimately the system will collapse.  We are close to collapse now. 

Amazing.  People think Ron Paul has a chance.  Like Glenn, Paul has a lot of good ideas on how to run things domestically.  For me it falls apart is the gold standard, or the gold backed dollar.  We have more wealth in this country than we have gold.  So what, are we going to take wealth away from people and just tell them that the gold ran out so no more of their dollars are now and forever more worth nothing.  We went to the trust backed dollar for this reason.  That money was necessary.  What were we to do?  Tell the person that just earned $150 the day after we ran out of gold to back our money that he’s just out of luck?  The trust backed dollar is not an issue if you force our leaders to present it correctly and smartly (though the 2nd is a bit harder for some leaders, maybe most).  And it wasn’t just one person who earned money the day after we ran out of gold to back the dollar, millions of people earned 10′s of millions of dollar.  The only logical choice was to move to a trust backed dollar.  The trust backed dollar has it’s problems because out lovely government has abused it around the world.  Even so, it’s still a system that makes more sense considering the fact that a gold backed dollar would have left us with decades of adding no value, no worth, to our monetary system. 

Disqus generic email templateO.K. JohnM. I am going to use your logic now. Murder, Rape, Robbery, Burglary, Grand Theft, Petty Theft, Fraud, Kidnapping, Assault, Battery, Arson etc. Have not been stopped by law enforcement. Therefore they should be legalized and the states regulate them. We will allow each person, one murder a year. You can commit two rapes, providing you have a rape stamp, which can be obtained at your local post office. If you make less than $10,000. a year you can commit 3 robberies and four burglaries in any five year period. What else do you want to add, John? You believe that drugs are a “victimless” crime. A non-violent crime. Have you seen what drugs do to people, how many lives are lost, families destroyed, etc. etc. etc. etc. by people who sell drugs? So, instead of illegal drug dealers, whom at least we can imprison for their misdeeds, you want the state to become the dealer. Wonderful! Using your logic, we shouldn’t be enforcing any of these laws as enforcement has not worked and for a lot more than 80 years, but back since societies were formed!!
How much can people buy now? All they want and all they can afford! What kind of purity? Whatever they can afford. Do you want the state doing the same? I gave the example of the football player to point out that sales of drugs, whether by an illegal drug dealer or the state can have devastating effects. By legalizing it, we have absolutely no idea how much the use will escalate. But you have to be living on a different planet, if you believe that by legalizing drugs, you are going to diminish the use!
You don’t get it do you John? My point about prohibition was that we hear that people drank during prohibition, but how many did NOT drink simply because it was illegal? We don’t know and you don’t know. Keeping it illegal, may well have prevented more people using and thus reduced the problem.
I have not painted the war on drugs a success!!!! Just like I have not considered the attempt to eradicate murder, burglary, rape and other crimes a success. All we can hope to do is keep it to as minimal a level as POSSIBLE. Corruption of government officials has been a problem since time immemorial. It isn’t drugs that causes that corruption. It is a lack of moral values. AND the use of drugs certainly doesn’t enhance moral values!
So, what, John? Do you want to legalize murder too? How about rape? After all, we have been totally unsuccessful at stopping it!! So we can legalize anything we cannot control a 100%. Great philosophy. I’ll vote for that!

Cost of the War in Iraq: $810,013,255,979
1 and 1/2 million Iraqi deaths

I wonder how many were the enemy?How many American families no longer have their sons, daughters, mothers, or fathers? How many of these people were the enemy? youtube.com/watch?v=FCL0IkS6hkMHow many of these people in Tehran will be the enemy?youtube.com/watch?v=98j0I7e5OHE Try, for two seconds, to see these people and these countries as America. If we choose to protests in the streets, do we want China to come police our protests? Would we stand for that? Would we think it was necessary and fair that another country is here to “help” us while causing millions of deaths in the interim? We would pick up arms against them!!The government is creating more enemies for America — NOT protecting us from them. Look for ONE SINGLE ENEMY in these videos. Do you see them? Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate who will put a stop to this madness. He referred to the ability to create peace through ping pong. Do you know what he was talking about??!  Look up ping pong diplomacy. I think you will be surprised. Look up cognitive dissonance and be a little introspective.Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate who can beat Obama. He has democrats for Ron Paul who will NOT vote for a republican if Ron Paul is not the GOP nominee, he has the independent vote, which will splinter four different directions if he is not the GOP nominee (some will vote Obama, some will vote Republican, some will not vote at all, and some will write Ron Paul’s name in), he has conservatives who are fed up with not being able to tell the difference between a democrat agenda and a republican one who will also splinter (not vote at all, write Ron Paul in, or vote for the republican), and he has the die hard supporters who will not vote or write him in. Can you see? He is America’s last hope anyway you look at it. He is strong on National security! He just doesn’t believe in preemptive war. We don’t accept that logic in any other area of life except from our government fear mongering. If a suspicious looking character was in my neighborhood and I “thought” he may have a weapon, I do not have the right to shoot him. Even IF he said, “hey, I’m gonna shoot you!” We can’t say our constitution means anything if we make exceptions for our government. Since WHEN did we start trusting them enough to overlook that document and what it says? We can be vigilant against enemies without going to war. That is not naive. That is responsibility. Do we really think the ONLY tool our government has at its disposal to stop /potential/ threats to our country is by sending our young men and women off to war, maiming them, killing them, as well as the millions of other innocent lives that will lost? For pity sake, they have the technology to read what I’m writing right now. If revolvemaps can see that someone from my city and state is typing right this second (revolvermaps.com/?target=enlarge&i=0CT8WD3Htna&color=ff0000&m=0&ref=null) do you for one second believe the government doesn’t know that? It’s a lie. Stop believing them. 

Ron Paul is the face and voice of anarchy.  His supporters excuse everything he has ever done or stood for.  RP has not shown any real leadership and even less cohesion of mind.  He should have stuck with medicine.  Many presidents have advocated not going to war, even to the point of isolation – but it cannot always be avoided.  Obama has set up the next president for war in all corners and I just don’t see RP as having the strentgth to deal with that.

Come on jaswalt,use your head.  Whatever money now in the economy worldwide (in the terms of Federal Reserve Notes FRNs) would simply be divided into whatever gold the USA has  in storage (I have no idea how much gold we really have, because nobody has really been allowed to look at it for decades). But whatever the amounts are, you will get a number that says 1 oz of gold now = X amount of FRNs.  Any more new FRNs added into the system (by more debt) would need more gold on deposit, not simply printed out of thin air… which is often what they now do & which causes inflation as more dollars chase the same amount of goods.  Nobody will not get paid for a day’s work.  I prefer a dual gold/silver standard as the evil Central Bankers might try to “corner” the gold supply & manipulate the price of gold (our nation was on a dual gold/silver standard when it started).  Bankers won’t be able to “corner” both gold & silver.  The Gold to silver ratio was usually about 1 oz gold = 16 oz silver.

Glenn’s concerns with Ron Paul is his stance on Israel.  I think GB feels RP won’t defend our ally should Iran decide to take action.

1)Due dillegence, Glenn Beck accuses RP of  20 years of racist newsletters (= only 4 occurrences not written by him RP)?
How is that a sign of intrinsic racism on the side of Ron P? Sure Ron P is responsible,..,for what is published under his masthead, but thats different then claiming it to be intrinsic nature of RP. So this is filthy misleading tactic on the side of Glenn Beck.
Using the same logic, can i claim the  Glenn Beck being a liar because Stu didnt check 20 years of published newsletters, right? 

2) Stu questioned the caller “Bob” if he read 20 years of RP newsletter”,.., wait…Stu actually did READ 20 YEARS OF RP? Before inventing retarded claims?

2) Did I just hear Glenn Beck say  “I work 157 hours a day (huh)”? , wtf? is that a “day” accourding to the Mayan calendar?

Ron Paul 2008 election video “NO VISAS FOR PEOPLE OF TERRORIST NATIONS”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T-iJKwskH4&feature=player_embedded

Who is the RETARD saying he doesnt acknowlegde  the muslim threat?

All hijackers of the 911 planes are SAUDIS, the country thats America’s busem buddy and where having sex with a 1 year old is legal and where gays are publicly headed on fridays and wehre slavery was (officially) abolishing  in 1964.

But hey,.., Ron Paul is a racist?,.LOL!!! 

Glenn Beck is a controlled position!

2:37 Glenn says he’s 100% responsible for EVERY word said on his publications.
This site that I’m posting on is called http://www.glennbeck.com. So I guess he’s 100% responsible for what I’m about to say….

Looks like the Ron Paul supporters are either Obama followers also, or are just hateful souls searching for a clue.  Do you people ever sleep?   Sounds like you all suffer from obsessive behavior. Scary creatures!

There was clearly an agenda here by Glenn and co to diminish the message by purposefully picking certain Paul supporters to come on the air.

Same.  I was a Beck fan because I thought he was on the right path, rising above others with his talk of questioning everything, etc.  But now he’s heading right back down to the same level as the other talk radio idiots.

You failed to ever address the morality of controlling what people choose to do to their bodies.  What gives you the right to control me?  The government is not made to protect me from myself. This is not to mention that drug use is still considered a ‘crime’ in America when it should be instead treated as an addiction.

I doubt your sample sizes are indicative of true behaviors.  Asking people what they think would happen does not mean that IS what would happen.  In the Netherlands drug use has not turned into the chaos. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_the_Netherlands#Results_of_the_drug_policy

You say, “legalization would very likely lead to and cause as many problems as we now have with its being illegal”.  If legalization causes an equal amount of problems, then why not legalize it?  We wouldn’t waste tons of money fighting an endless war on drugs.  

You complain about the pricing and market aspects of drug sales.  How is this an indictment of legalization?  I’m sure people wondered how the sale of computers would go in the future, or how the internet would be set up.  I’m sure at some point people were concerned with the pricing ranges of gasoline (as they still are).  The market decides these factors.  There is no need for any oversight agency because it skews the market with pricing controls.  

Thanks for the comments everyone.  I especially want to reply to Everydaysuitcoat.  I think it is again worth looking at the money trail.  There are a couple of ways to come at it.  First we are being told by the media on the so called left (which is all owned by the GE corporation, a corporate member of the Council on Foreign Relations) and the media on the so called right, read Fox, (which is owned by Rupert Murdoch, also a CFR member) that we have to protect our homeland by being in everybody elses homeland.  The Council on Foreign Relations, that private club I mentioned in my earlier statement, is the group that basiclly started the United Nations but guess who started the CFR.  The Federal Reserve elites.  Who do you suppose
makes the money from the wars we conduct and the military/ industrial complex we have allowed to be set up.  It certainly isn’t the taxpayers.  No, we are on the hook to pay back to the Federal Reserve not only the money they loan the government to carry on the wars but also the interest they attach to that money.

I think the whole thing gets pretty smelly when you remember all of our administrations have pulled their state department heads, the Cabinet members and most policy makers from the
top echelon of the CFR.  The FED, the CFR and the UN are completely emeshed and working one for the other.  They have a great deal going for them if we stay constantly at war. 

Now let’s look at what Ron Paul said.  He is not anti-military.  He is anti-intervention.  There is a huge difference.  He has said Israel is a soverign nation that can and should make up her own mind on how to keep herself safe.  She has proven herself capable over and over and we should not be trying to dictate to her.  He has said we should quit passing out foreign aid not only to Israel but to all her enemies we are also proping up with money and arms as well.  Think about it.  Doesn’t that seem like a stupid policy.  He did not say we should not help her if she was under attack. 

 I believe that Ron Paul is actually a pretty tough old man.  He has stood up in defense of our constitution for 30 years in the face all odds.  I find much to admire.  I fear much more the rest of the neo-cons who would just continue us on the path to the One World Order at a slower and more covert pace than “King” Obama. 

Disqus generic email templateI didn’t address the morality of the government controlling what people put in their bodies, because they have the right to control other activities that are harmful to society. If they don’t have the right to arrest people for selling a potentially deadly substance that destroys people lives, families, etc., then they have no right to pass laws about other crimes. . Hey yeah, just do your own It’s your body. Who cares if it destroys peoples lives, who cares if it destroys families, etc. Hell, I have seen drug dealers get off with probation several times before spending any time in prison. Most user are sent to some kind of treatment program as a condition of probation. You people act as if everyone who uses drugs are sent to prison for 20 years. It is only MAJOR dealers who ever get those kinds of sentences. The other way they end up in prison is by committing hard core crimes to furnish their habit. Legalization would not stop that. They still have to come up with the bucks to purchase their drugs, whether the state is the dealer or some scum bag. Do you know what the cost of drugs would be if it were legalized? I don’t think so. So, the state would then be in the position of either supplying the drugs at tax payer expense if they wanted to prevent criminal activity. So, would the state force hospitalization or addiction treatment? Would that be in any kind of an institutional setting? Like maybe a mental hospital. There are many people who would rather go to jail.
I will repeat myself again: LEGALIZATION NEEDS TO BE WELL THOUGHT OUT AND MANY QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND PLANS WELL MADE BEFORE JUST OPENING THE FLOOD GATES TO LEGALIZATION. I AM NOT SAYING THAT LEGALIZATION IS IMPOSSIBLE, BUT TO PASS A BILL TOMORROW WITHOUT ASKING AND ANSWERING A WHOLE LOT QUESTIONS, AND HAVING PLTO HANDLE IT ALL WOULD BE A BIG MISTAKE. LEGALIZATION IS NOT GOING TO MAKE THE PROBLEM GO AWAY. I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT LEGALIZATION WILL LEAD TO
MORE PEOPLE TRYING AT LEAST THE “SOFTER” DRUGS. MANY WHO THEN USE THE SOFTER DRUGS WILL FIND THAT ISN’T QUITE ENOUGH AND GO ON TO HARDER DRUGS. LEGALIZATION PRESUPPOSES APPROVAL, JUST AS IT DOES WITH ALCOHOL. ALSO, JUST AS WITH ALCOHOL, PROBABLY AT LEAST 10% WOULD BE “AHOLICS”. OCCASIONAL USE WOULD NOT SUFFICE. INTOXICATION WOULD BE THE GOAL. I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT I WOULD RATHER MY PILOT HAVE A GLASS OF WINE BEFORE GETTING INTO THE COCKPIT INSTEAD OF A JOINT!
I still see those who advocate legalization as wanting what they perceive as a very simple remedy to a very complex problem. My sample sizes were probably as many as most poll takers use. I spoke before audiences of sometimes 150 people at a time and spoke for 15 years to all kinds of groups, including PTA, civic groups of all types and kinds, High School and Middle School classes, etc. Hard to estimate how many people I asked the same question of, but I can guess it would be several thousand. Sure it isn’t scientific, but it sure as hell is an eye opener.
Your response is amazing, as you literally want no controls whatever. Just open the flood gates and let the market take care of the problem. So no controls over purity, dose, etc. I don’t think this is worth discussing with you any more.

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You failed to ever address the morality of controlling what people choose to do to their bodies. What gives you the right to control me? The government is not made to protect me from myself. This is not to mention that drug use is still considered a ‘crime’ in America when it should be instead treated as an addiction.

I doubt your sample sizes are indicative of true behaviors. Asking people what they think would happen does not mean that IS what would happen. In the Netherlands drug use has not turned into the chaos.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_the_Netherlands#Results_of_the_drug_policy

You say, “legalization would very likely lead to and cause as many problems as we now have with its being illegal”. If legalization causes an equal amount of problems, then why not legalize it? We wouldn’t waste tons of money fighting an endless war on drugs.

You complain about the pricing and market aspects of drug sales. How is this an indictment of legalization? I’m sure people wondered how the sale of computers would go in the future, or how the internet would be set up. I’m sure at some point people were concerned with the pricing ranges of gasoline (as they still are). The market decides these factors. There is no need for any oversight agency because it skews the market with pricing controls.

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Excellent post!

Dangerously foolish too. They call them names (and I am one of them too) and then they expect to get their vote in November? Since none of the other candidates besides Ron Paul are proposing to change our foreign policy or monetary policy drastically, I will “waste” my vote (or so they like to call it that) and vote for Gary Johnson on the Libertarian Party if Ron Paul doesn’t go 3rd party. Suck it GOP.

If Ron Paul isn’t your guy then who are you voting for? The rest of the GOP candidates are just in favor of expanding the federal government while turning us into a police state like the Soviet Union. None of them, other than Paul, are willing to address the core issue of the Federal Reserve (which is an oxymoron by the way; it is not federal nor does it have any reserves). Without the Federal Reserve, you cannot have this manipulated dollar, the constant expansion of the military industrial complex, and the list of unconstitutional federal agencies and programs that are bankrupting us.

Bobba, murder, rape, robbery, burglary, grand theft, petty theft, fraud, kidnapping, assault, battery, and arson ect ect ect, are completely different from making money off of drugs, alcohol, and prostitution. If someone agrees to buy marijuana or exchange money for a sexual act, as long as both business partners agree, nobody is having their rights under Natural Law infringed or their right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. What morally is wrong with this? Depending on your beliefs, using drugs or prostitution may be immoral, but what gives you the right to enforce that belief upon many others who do not share it at the tip of a bayonet? You don’t have that right. You act as if the “War On Drugs” ended then there would be a meth lab on everyone’s block. Seriously? If you could provide a parallel between murder/rape/theft/fraud and buying/selling drugs/prostitution, I would be thrilled. If I decided to have a meth lab or smoke marijuana in my home, how does that infringe on your right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness? It doesn’t.

First of all, capitalization does not improve your message. It detracts from it.

You still failed to address the morality of legislating against personal choice. Do you support gun rights? Those are potentially deadly products for sale to society. Cars can be used as a deadly weapon. Prescription drugs are legal and dangerous. Alcohol is one of the most deadly drugs ever. Do you want to oppress the users of these too? Should it be a crime to use alcohol? How do you explain the disaster of prohibition?

You have to realize you cannot control people. You can’t live their lives for them, no matter how much you want to protect them.

Why would the state supply drugs at tax payer expense? That is absurd. And who cares what the cost of drugs are if they are legalized? Why is that even relevant? As for your question about rehabilitation, just look at alcohol. Why would it be any different than an alcohol addiction?

You fail to realize that legalizing drugs is not meant to be a solution to drug use, because the result will be about the same (see my Netherlands source – which of course you refused to address because it didn’t fit your agenda). The purpose is to end the police state and quit spending on a useless war on drugs.

Your response is the truly amazing one. You want control over people’s lives. You would probably have no problem putting me in a cage if I decided to do drugs. That is scary.

But of course you would say, “Oh this isn’t worth discussing with you anymore”, because you failed to refute or address any of my arguments. You failed to show where you have the moral authority to control others. You failed to explain why the Netherlands is not chaos. You failed to explain why we should be worried about prices. You failed.

This is exactly what I have been trying to argue to neoconservatives; unfortunately, they don’t listen.

If it does happen to be true it would make a hell of a lot more sense as to why our government is on the path of Nazi Germany…

How so? Obama had no record to run on-well, he did but it wasn’t the record he was preaching.

Depends on who the nominee is. If it’s Gingrich, then hell no. Romney? Somebody would have to try hard to convince me. Perry? Probably the least undesirable. Huntsman? He has more brains than the rest of the GOP besides Ron Paul. Santorum? I do not want to live in a theocracy, so no.

Ron Paul 2012

Did he personally write them? No he did not. Did he know of them? No he did not. Is he responsible for them? Yes he is. Does this mean he is un-electable? No it does not.

Ron Paul has denounced these newsletters that were written under his name and has demonized them. What beliefs of his are racist exactly anyways? Care to elaborate?

So you can be more informed xp

“Imposing our beliefs is what America is all about.” – Rick Santorum

That’s not very conservative.

If Ron Paul doesn’t even have a chance, then explain why he and Romney are the only ones polling above or equally to Obama.

I will not vote for Ron Paul, I smell something fishy about the guy, sorry.

NB: Glennie, could I have one of your eight jobs?  Write to me and let me know.
 
Love ya
Jobless in DC.

ron paul is an old freak

The problem I think with Ron Paul supporters is not understanding how much hatred their is in the Islamic world even without The U.S.invovled with them.Muslim world has so much anti-semitism all through it.Every bit as bad as WW2 days did with Europe and probably worse.

I don’t support Ron Paul.  I don’t hate him, or think he is worse than Obama.  I just appreciate some of his different views that I have looked through on his website and wiki.  If he wins the nomination, he’s a better option for President. 

I don’t like him voting against Securing Adolescents From Exploitation-Online Act of 2007 and letting prostituion be legal, and his view on drugs.  I understand where he is coming from on the first one, but I just think differently.  I think child porn should be reported and help should be extended to help those exploited children.  Some parents aren’t too good at protecting their children, and I believe in evil things not being condoned.  I am in support of fighting against evil and degrading things like that.

I didn’t realize that I replied to you Jacob, but anyways, I think he has some good things about him and would support him against Obama.

I checked out a website called Neighborhood Scout.  The site says a person has a 1 in 69 chance of being a victim of crime in Washington D.C.  DC rates a 6 whereas 100 is the safest city.  It seems to me that we are apologizing for statements that have some truth it.  It’s dangerous when truth cannot be spoken.

The meth labs harm others.  The fumes harm people, and it’s dangerous.  Do the marijuana smokers have the right to smoke a joint on the street corner, therefore exposing others to the toxic smoke?

Wow Bob, I am rather confused by someone that claims to be in Law Enforcement who doesn’t grasp the difference between crimes committed against others, and someone that might want to sit at their home on the weekend and get high, no matter the drug they might decided to do.
 
Your comparison/arguement is on the edge of lunacy, and you are comparing apples and oranges.
 
I guess next you would suggest that because alcohol causes far more victims than all illegal drugs combined we should again make alcohol illegal, because we can’t seem to stop people from driving drunk, or getting drunk and getting in fights, or getting drunk and beating their spouses, or kids, etc.
 
 Seriously have you seen what alcohol can do to people, how many lives are lost, destroyed, etc…. by people who sell alcohol?
 
Yeah, I know exactly how drugs can do to people; but unless someone is holding them down and forcing them to ingest said drugs, that is a choice they should be allowed to make. It seems you believe it is all the drug dealers fault. So by that logic should be hold the people that sell model glue accountable for those that choose to huff model glue?
 
Again I am truly sorry you have such a hard time grasping the difference between the crimes you listed and those that may chose to use a drug.
 
Actually it’s not I that doesn’t get it, it’s people like yourself who believe they can some how legalize morality. You keep making this absurd arguement that we don’t know how many people did or didn’t drink during prohabtion; so what, what we do know is we tried it, people still drank, people got rich byy selling illegal booze, and despite sweeping law enforcement efforts at the time, it finally took open warfare between the police and the gangs selling booze before we woke up and ended the war on alcohol. I have a hard time understanding people who can look at history and be so blind to the lessons being exposed.
 
You also speculate that keeping drugs illegal may have prevented some people from using…… exactly where do you get this idea? In the 70′s when I was a teen pot was everywhere, and readily available when one wanted it. In the 80′s it was cocaine. Now we have meth, oxycotton, ecstacy, and a host of other drugs. If as you suggest keeping drugs illegal is doing good exactly why do we still have a drug problem in the US, after 30 plus yrs we should expect to see drug use in America declining but that is just not the case.
 
Your example of the football player is a joke, it shows the failure of the system you think is working; if drug war was working, your football player never would have been exposed to drugs. So because he found drugs you would now treat him as a criminal, gotta love your idea of justice.
 
Bob, Until you recognize the difference between crimes against others and someone using a substance of their choosing to take the edge off, whether it be booze, caffine, ice cream, or a drug now call illegal we will never find common ground to discuss this.
 
You are trapped in mentality that you can regulate moral value by making something illegal, it didn’t work in the 30′s with booze, and it isn’t working with drugs or prostitution. But you keep on believeing you are doing the right thing by locking up your fellow citizens.
 
Ignorance is bliss Bob, hopefully someday you will wakeup from your stupor.

Disqus generic email templateUnless you were a police officer, a combat veteran actually engaged in combat, you have no right to preach to me about not knowing the difference between crimes committed against others and drugs. I was also a Navy Corpsman, I can’t begin to tell you the things I saw. My guess is you have never served a day in the military, you have no idea of what goes on in the down and dirty streets of this country and you preach to me about crime and criminals. You are a package alright!! If I sell you drugs that are 20% pure and you die, I am absolutely not at fault, right? You wanted the drugs and I sold them to you and hell, it’s not my fault., If I sell you drugs and you become a helpless, hopeless addict, lose your home, your job, your family, I have done nothing wrong, right? After all, you wanted the drugs. If I encourage and cajole or threaten you into use, as is the case for many prostitutes induced into drug use so I can control you, I’m just a good citizen providing a service.
I have picked people off the streets in all kinds of situations. I have seen a woman, so whacked out on drugs, she sat on the garage floor, doused herself with gasoline and lit a match. I have seen such incredible human tragedies up close and personal. Given CPR to people who spit up blood and vomitus into my mouth. AND I DON’T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? You make me ill with your pomposity. Get out there on the streets, get your hands soaked in blood, get shot at, spit at, assaulted and battered, watch one of your officers gasping and choking on his own blood after being shot twice in the chest by a druggie who thought that killing a cop was cool. Yes, the officer died, leaving a wife and two young children.
Yes, there is something terribly wrong with someone who thinks something should be evaluated carefully before deciding to make it legal. Your solution, open the flood gates, legalize without any care or concern as to what the consequences might be is really intellectual and brilliant. Why you are going to end the problem over night, aren’t you? All of our problems will be resolved. Just legalize it. You are the perfect example of society today. The easy way out. Simple solutions without any measure of consequence. Don’t analyze and evaluate the situation, just legalize it or in the case of the federal government, just throw money at it and never analyze or follow up on it to see if it works.
You can preach to me about a lot of things, but don’t tell me I don’t know about crime, criminals, drug use, gambling, pornography, prostitution, alcohol abuse and all of these other problems that society dumps on their police officers because they don’t know what else to do about it. Then when the officer experiences the rotteness of all of these things, tell the officer HE/SHE DOESN’T UNDERSTAND. “See if we legalize all of this stuff, you won’t have to deal with it anymore. Problem solved.” There will be no more drug related crimes, there will be no more destroyed families, lost jobs, homeless children, bodies in hotel rooms with needles still in their arms, fatal and injury accidents. Hell, just open the flood gates, everything will be o.k. Look how the loss of moral values helped Rome. It will work here too! It will be a great society when you can buy little cups of opium on any street corner. When you can go to orgies and eat and eat and throw up and eat some more, where you can pick out any children you want to have sex with, when you can go to the arena and watch people fight to the death and even involve yourself in the action by thumbing up or down, and as a special treat, you can go and watch Christians being slaughtered in every way imaginable and even unimaginable. Society doesn’t need any moral values, that is only for the individual to decide what is right or wrong for them, to hell with everyone else. However, when it all turns to crap, you, Society, can pay for my indulgence and take care of any needs I have. Great system. Why I think your world will just be a perfect place. Oh, I already know your answer, “Well those things couldn’t happen here.” Why of course not, we are an incredibly moral society, with great values. If you can’t see how this country as slid down hill in the last 30 years, you are totally blind my friend. Liberals talk about the greed on Wall Street, but don’t mention all of the rest of the moral corruption in our society. Everything in the world should be legalized, except cigarettes, right? (AND NO, I DON’T SMOKE!). One marijuana cigarette contains 10 times the carcinogens of a tobacco cigarette and gets you loaded, but cigarettes are the real danger. We will either make cigarettes illegal or control the ability to use them so drastically that use, other than in one’s own home, will be nearly impossible. Then we will tax them to the point that a black market arises. Now maybe we should take that same tack with drugs, if we legalize them. Make it all but impossible to use the substance in any place but the home and tax it to the point where only the wealthiest can afford them, and in turn encourage a black market again. See John, this is what I’m talking about. If you legalize, what if any restrictions on use will be imposed, what kind of taxes, what kinds of purity will the drugs be available in, where will they be sold and by whom? A prescription required? Will the state or federal government subsidize it’s use? If a person cannot work because of their use, will the taxpayer be expected to pay for their needs and that of their family? Will government be expected to run treatment centers for addiction, or will they be private? What kinds of programs seem to be most effective for eliminating addiction? Are their RELIABLE studies to indicate whether legalization might increase use and if so by how much? But you don’t care about any of these things, right John? Hell just legalize it and let the market take care of it. We don’t need to understand any of these things. We’ll worry about all this useless crap after we legalize it!
I have noticed how you refer to sitting in your home and getting high. My guess is you are a regular user of marijuana and like all people with any kind of addiction, you rationalize it away. All of your BS is just that, to rationalize your own weakness and need for escape. Can’t cope, John, need that crutch to get along in life? Well you just keep rationalizing, it looks like it is working really well for you. Why you’re not using heroin, you are only smoking pot in the privacy of your own home, you aren’t using cocaine, meth, ecstacy, percodan, you’re just smoking some pot in your living room. Well, John, a little secret, there are a whole lot of other people who aren’t just smoking pot on a Friday night in their own home. So stop looking through the haze of marijuana smoke and realize that there are a whole lot of people out there using substances that are much more addicting than pot, much more harmful than pot, and not doing it in the privacy of their homes. It is destroying their health, their families and in many, many cases, killing them. We need to take a long hard look at what the consequences of legalization might be and how controls over dose, distribution, etc. will take place. If after a thorough study, it may be decided that it is best to legalize it. If that is the conclusion and things are put into place, anticipating potential problems, then GO FOR IT. But in the meantime, keep it illegal and try to control its use and abuse as much as possible. I realize that is a stupid way to approach a problem. Study it, and analyze its impact, but for someone who doesn’t understand crime, criminals, drugs, etc. and who is sober, it is the best I could come up with. But I don’t have the intellect and problem solving capabilities, or insight of someone like you who has an incredible grasp from an easy chair, in total safety, of the problems of the world. While the ignorant are out there working on a daily basis with these problems, getting bloody and bruised and seeing up close and personal the tragedies and impact of all of this crap on peoples lives.
So, John we are at an impasse. You go your way with your great intellect and insight and I’ll go along being totally ignorant and uninformed with silly ideas of studying a problem before taking actions that we might all regret later.

I think what you need to understand Glenn is that with a lot of candidates we can agree and disagree with different issues.  But in 2007-2008 there were all kinds of attacks against Ron Paulers on at entirely different level.  Then after the election year Ron Paul was brought on to many shows and praised for many things but now that we are in another election year again things are back where they were.  I think if you could just understand this one thing, even if you do not agree with Ron Paul on all issues, that when someone truly believes in something or someone and then someone attacks that person saying he is unelectable, whacky, nut job, etc. it feels as if it is an attack on you.  The idea of cutting spending by 1 trillion dollars, limiting government, lowering taxes, free markets is going to continue to resonate with more and more people.  Maybe some Ron Paulers at some points negatively attacked other candidates also and maybe this is where it started I do not know, but there is a reason his message is growing among independents more than the other candidates because the government is seen as the problem.  No one person like Ron Paul can be as dangerous as many would portray because closing agencies and bases take time and a lot more people in Congress supporting this.  So I feel if you want to at least deal with one of the biggest problems like over spending, Ron Paul has the best plan to reign that in.  Foreign policy may be top on your list but it is not for most of America and so this is a losing.  I feel like as soon as someone knows I support Ron Paul that I am immediately defending negative attacks and this can push some people over board.  There has got to be some way conservatives can come together better without all the attacks.

Ron Paul is the voice of our constitution,try reading it sometime. If you look at it the constitution dosen’t allow congress to use the military overseas without a declaration of war. If you and Glenn believe that we should follow the entire constitution,not just the parts we pick and choose,then the only canidate with the record of the constitution is Ron Paul.

They have paulophobia,they are also called neocons

 
Bob, you are a funny guy; you presume to know a lot about me based on a few short exchanges on a bb. (LOL)
 
So you were a pecker checker in the nav, is that supposed to impress me or something? You are right, I didn’t serve 1 day, I served 7 yrs, also in the nav, whoopee friggin do.
 
I am sympathetic tha a cop died from someone who was on drugs…. illegal drugs it would seem under a system you support which has done nothing to stem the flow of drugs….. would it have been better if the individual was drunk?
 
You keep harping on about studies, and earlier I suggested we could learn from both Portugal and the Netherlands, something you chose to ignore. I am curious how much studying of the repurcussions of making drugs illegal did we do as a nation before the decision was made to wage a war on plants?  What’s next should we ban tomatoes, what about cucumbers? What other plants do you think we should ban to enforce your morality?
 
you again assume a lot about me. I think it’s pretty funny you automatically assume that someone that thinks we are involved in a failed war on drugs must be a druggie….. I think the war on prostitution is a failure too, does that automatically make me a hooker or a john?
 
After all someone such as yourself with your high morals and sense of right and wrong would never have gone out with loose women or engaged the services of a prostitute while in the navy, squids just don’t do immoral things like that. (LOL)
 
You are right Bob, we are at an impasse, you think you are qualified to decided what is right and wrong for everyone, and I believe in freedom of choice, something our founding father’s found important…….. I am curious Bob, did you know George Washington thought the Indian weed (pot) should be spread everywhere? Did you also know the United States Constitution was written on hemp? Did you know Coca Cola derived it’s name from cocaine which was an ingrediant?
 
But I guess none of that matters since you know what is best for everyone. (LOL)
 

Wow, missed this the other day. Ron Paul is the only canidate including the current President that is the voice of the United States Constitution. I guess if you think that is the voice of anarchy you would be correct. Ron Paul’s track record is also pretty amazing, especially when one considers he’s on his 11th term as a congressman; if the rest of our elected representitives had his track record we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in.

There’s another crazy person who once held the same foreign policy ideas that Ron Paul puts forth….. you might of heard of him, his name was Thomas Jefferson, he too thought we should be trading partners with all, and have no binding treaties with other nations. But what did that crazy crack pot know anyway?

The man I will be voting for is Ron Paul.  Why?  Because he has the best understanding of how to fix the economy, reduce the budget deficit and end the Fed.  We need to restore ourselves to sound money.  

Split the issues into three areas.  The economy, social issues and foreign policy.
I stand by Dr. Paul on the economy because again, I believe he has the best platform to fix our broken economic heart.  I stand by Dr. Paul on social issues because he is conservative on some issues, but also libertarian on others.  Believing that in a truly free country that you should socially be allowed to do what you truly want to do.  

Now.  When it comes to foreign policy — people disagree with Dr. Paul.  I stand by him because  I think we need to stay out of foreign entanglements.  Trade and commerce with all, alliance with none…  That is my personal opinion, and Mr. Jefferson’s.  On election day, I will be voting for the Constitution.  I will be voting for Ron Paul.

NOBAMA 2012!!!

Disqus generic email templateJohnM: What in the hell does the fact that some drugs come from a plant have anything to do with anything? Cuare is made from a plant. Should we use it? Rhubarb leaves are a poison. Bella Donna comes from a plant. Come on JohnM, tomatoes and cucumbers don’t make someone high. Is an apple and orange, they are both plants?! GEEZ!!!!
Yeah, JohnM, I am a weirdo. Because I was a Corpsman and giving injections of penicillin all the time for clap and other venereal diseases, I was hesitant to go to prostitute. Somehow I managed to avoid that. I will admit that I did have sex with some gals I met and formed a semi-serious relationship with. I will also admit that I got drunk on a few occasions. Usually paid for it by going into the bathroom and calling on Ralph, but I did it. You would also be right if you assumed that I have never used drugs! I know that makes me an enemy of the state, but I just felt my health, particularly my mental health, was not something to fool around with.
I will go back to this once more: The enforcement of many of our laws have not curtailed criminal activity. Your logic, no matter how you want to rationalize is, then why bother to enforce them. Enforcement just doesn’t work! What difference does it make that in one case your crime is against another? It hasn’t and does not work. So we are simply spinning our wheels. As a matter of fact, serial killings and major shooting incidents have escalated like crazy. Your study of history is different than mine, if you believe our Founding Fathers would have tolerated the open use of the drugs available on the market today.
Then hey JohnM: Lets go to the Netherlands and Portugal and see what they do instead of just saying it’s legal there, so we should legalize it. Who manufacturers their drugs? How is it distributed? Where does a user buy it? Do they have to have a prescription? Does the state supplement their use? What are the relative costs of the drugs? Are ALL drugs legal in these countries? People in Portugal also speak Portuguese. We don’t. We are not the same society as Portugal or the Netherlands. Making comparisons based on entirely different living standards, educational systems, hundreds of years of differing history and environment may make some differences in what is tolerated and handled in some countries. Some countries cut your hands off for stealing and they have a much lower crime rate than ours. Should we copy them? Some countries execute you for dealing drugs, do we copy them? Oh and by the way, these are countries that have had some of the longest histories of legal drug use. After they saw what it did to their societies, they swung the other way and began executing people for it. I am speaking of Eastern countries, like Turkey.
The reason cocaine was removed from Coke was that people were being made addicted to Coca Cola because of the “sneaky” addition of this substance into the beverage, which had absolutely nothing to do with flavor or anything else. It was to keep people buying Coke. There were no labeling laws then. I know you might think that is just swell. Makers of food products should be able to put natural ingredients into their foods as long as the substance comes from a plant. It is none of the government’s business!
Yes, JohnM I hate to admit it, but I do have some moral values. I know, that makes me an idiot. I don’t want the U.S. to become another Roman Empire. It may surprise you to know, that I am for very limited government. But there are some things that I think government can do pretty well. They can kill people and break things really well with their military. They do have a pretty good record of keeping our food supply at a very high standard. They have been keeping our infrastructure pretty good, though of late, I’m not too sure of that.
You are right, JohnM, I shouldn’t make judgments of you based on what you write. And you should likewise not make judgments of me. Good people can disagree. I think that is what is going on here. We just do not agree. I am not totally against legalization, I just want to have a good idea of the mechanics of it and what we can expect when and if we do it. It is not that I want to FORCE my moral values on others. But also being a student of history, I have seen how the loss of moral values will destroy a society over time. It can be a slow process, like getting small doses of novacaine in the upper arm. Pretty soon the entire arm becomes numb. Things that were once valued in the society are no longer important and society slides into oblivion and is no more. Don’t make the assumption, JohnM, that everyone is as controlled or responsible as you are. There are millions who may not have the same strength of character as you, whose behavior might be motivated in an entirely different direction from yours. Has there ever been a time in American history, when people would walk into a business from which they were laid off or fired and started shooting people; when teen agers went into their schools and began shooting fellow students and teachers? I’ll answer that question for you. No there hasn’t! I’m not suggesting that drugs were the cause. I am just pointing out to you that our moral values and standards have been slipping for years. We are seeing more and more violent behavior, criminal activity, etc. If you think we are a better country today than we were 50 years ago, you are badly mistaken. Most countries like Rome, started off fairly puritanical as we did. Then over time, as they became more affluent, they became more hedonistic and their entire structure collapsed from within, not by some foreign enemy. The same thing can very well happen here. History should be as much a teacher, as the parent who tells their young daughter she can’t go to the beach at night with her boyfriend, because there is a very real possibility of rape and/or murder, even if with a boyfriend. Care and thought must be given to things we allow that may end up destroying us in the end. Thanks for carrying on this dialogue with me John M. It looks like we have both strengthened our beliefs.

(sigh)  You really don’t grasp that 90% of the drugs you are fighting a failed war against are processed easier from plants than alcohol. Pot for example is a weed, it grows almost anywhere, and has a lot of commercial value. Heck you probably think they outlawed in 1934 because the gov’t thought it was bad for you. (lol)  I can only suggest like Glen suggests, do your own research. I can only suggest you do your own research on why cocaine was taken out of Coke a Cola. I will give you a hint, the gov’t did not care about the health of the populace. (lol)
 
Yes, I do believe the founding fathers would find our on going gov’t control of the individuals freedom of choice to be appauling, or do you think these drugs weren’t around back in the 1700′s?
 
Never said you were a weirdo (there you go again makeing assumptions) , you questioned my knowledge of the world, and implied I have never sacrificed for my country. Calling you a pecker checker; military slang for a corpsman, not only shows I was there in a way that could leave no doubt in your mind it gives a little cred to my assertion that I served my time. One of my best buds was a corpsman,have nothing against them at all. do far more than check for vd. However, your throwing it out there as some assertion you know more about the world than I do, well lets just say it I wasn’t overly dazzled.
 
I truly am sorry you have such a difficult time seperating violent crimes against others and freedom of choice. killing someone, robbing, raping vs someone sitting in their house popping a hit of lsd and hanging at home is kinda different…….. I am not sure why it is so hard to distingush between them. In one case you are punishing someone for their actions against another, you aren’t enforcing anything. Iin the other case you are punishing the individual for freedom of choice and having different values than yours.
 
You keep talking about how drugs can destroy lives; something I grant you is true. However, data from the CDC confirms that all illegal drugs combined do less damage to families, cause less death to individuals and others than alcohol. Yet the one that causes far more damage is legal…… odd.
 
Moral values does not make you an idiot; however implying that you know what is best for everyone telling us all that your morals are better than mine/ours is being an idiot. Where in the Constitution does it grant you the athority to dictate to me/us what morals to have?
 
You don’t want us to become the next Roman Empire…. (ROFLMFAO)
 
Sorry, but you are too late. What’s even scarier though is not only are we in the wanning yrs of the Roman Empire, but we are on the verge of becoming a police state, in some ways we already are a police state. Camera’s everywhere, drones starting to be employed to patrol cities, illegal wire tapping, Patriot Act, and the latest one signed by the Prez NDNN or whatever it’s called. I guess as someone on the inside you really don’t see that do ya?
 
I am curious ever watch the movie V for Vendetta? Who did you vote for?
 
I too am a student of history, I must have missed the serious food issues we had as a nation before the inception of the FDA…. I guess those recent ecoli outbreaks, and the lusterine outbreak were just slip ups got through the cracks of the FDA so to speak….. never mind all the legal drugs that end up being recalled because they passed FDA inspection.
 
Sure a military can kill people and break things, I would so that is one of the primary missions of congress; too provide for the national defense. However, our Constitution does not authorize the use of our military as the worlds police force.Something we knew in 1920 but forgot in 1945, hopefully we as a nation wake up to that memory.
 
Infrastructure is questionable. Technically the freeways and interstates should be maintained in large part by the Federal Gov’t, because their primary role is for the rapid deployment of military forces in times of war and national disasters. Cities, Counties should take care of their own roads and other infrastructure, not the feds. However, money has been spent on other things, and our infrastructure is old, over used and breaking down.
 
You asked what might happen if drugs were legalized. I pointed out 2 western european nations with a standard of living on par and in the case of the Netherlands better than ours. 2 nations who have been around for hundreds of yrs longer than the US with similar values and religious leanings and beliefs. You dismiss them out right. No you aren’t closed minded to this. (lol)
 
I could do your research for you, but if I did that you would just dismiss it, so I can only suggest you do your own research.
 
You are right we all don’t have the same strength of character, or the same morals, but is it really the states place to tell me what I can and cant do to myself? Is it my body or the gov’ts?
 
You ask if we are a better country today than we were 50 yrs ago. My answer is no, but then we must examine what has happened internally over the last 50 yrs.
 
The Power of the Federal Gov’t has grown. TSA, Homeland Security, Fema, and a host of other alphabet agencies that didn’t exist even 30 yrs ago, the power of the police state has grown dramatically. We have spent trillions of dollars playing the police man of the world, building up dictators, and supporting other countries going 15 trillion and climbing in debt.
 
We have infringed on the individual rights of our own citizens, in violation of the Constitution in the name of safety and morality.
 
You act like violence didn’t happen in our nations past, like it is today, which is kinda true. We have more people living in closer proximity today than we have had in our past. However to imply it is new is ridiculous and an insult to the victims of all the past violence. I can only suggest you break out those history books again.
 
Here’s the bottom line. We have been fighting this war for 80yrs. We have created rich gangs who do whatever it takes to continue to make money off of this black market, enterprise.
 
While they get wealthier, we waste more tax payer dollars we don’t have. The laws destroy just as many lives as the drugs themselves. You turn someone that may only experiment casually with drug into a felon because you don’t agree with his/her moral decision.
 
Because it is illegal it makes people with an addiction less likily to seek help for fear of being branded a criminal. Because it is illegal it promotes violence to obtain and protect turf. To remove the violence in Mexico alone, the benefits of legalizing would be far superior than the continued way we treat it now………
 
Seriously it was illegal to brew beer in this country; when was the last time Coors Brewing Company had a shoot out with the FBI, or with Schlitz, or Budweiser?
 
It truly is a shame you can’t see the forest through the trees.

Oh a little hint for the future; if you break up you sentences (a space between paragraphs, it makes it easier to read.

Disqus generic email templateJohnM: (Sigh) I feel the same as you. To even imply I have not done any research is—Oh hell, I’m not even going to discuss that with you. Yes, JohnM 15 years of working narcotics and giving hundreds of talks about it and I have never looked at a book about it. We just read different material, I guess. I’ll let it go at that.
O.K. John, let’s go with your system. No control on most anything. I wish we could each start a society using both our principles and philosophies and see which lasts the longest. Yes, this is an absolutely terrible country. I don’t know why you would want to live here when there is Portugal and the Netherlands. You can go over there and do your pot or LSD or any other thing. Instead you want to impose your standards on this country. You talk about me wanting to impose my morals on others, that’s exactly what you want to do. So you see JohnM, this is all just a waste of time. Let’s just settle on you want your standards and moral values imposed and I want mine and let it go at that.
As to violence in this country, yes, it has always been there, but nowhere near the levels we see now. Yes, we had a civil war and race wars, but we have never had people walking into schools an shooting them up, or post office workers, etc. etc. I grew up in the 50s and I know things like that just didn’t happen then.
I am glad you agree with me that we are in a period of decline. You see it as happening because we haven’t opened the flood gates of pornography, prostitution, gambling, drug abuse, etc. I see it because those things have been more and more permitted and tolerated, among many other social causes. Those things never have and never will make a better society. Sorry!
So, lets just agree to disagree and part friends. Take care.

The military overwhelmingly supports Ron Paul, that should go a long way with most Americans.  You don’t like his foreign policy?  Well US TROOPS DO!!!  Like I’ve said before, if we go to war for Israel another time, I will lay down my arms and quit, as will many of us.  We will go to the brig, but the brig can’t hold all of us.  I fight for the US and uphold the US constitution, NOT ISRAEL!! 

I’m more interested in your so called Military career where you were on a secret mission for 9 years, were a NCO but quit the Army because you had a “change of heart” and drove a truck but didn’t drive a truck. Please tell me, what was Dallas? How much did your PA weigh? Where did you go to college? How many Iraqi children play volley ball?

Why do you hate the Jews?

You quit the Army remember? You’re a lying sack of sh*t Vinny.

You’re a Wikipedia Phony Soldier. Take your ignorance and crap elsewhere, LIAR.

Why do you hate the Jews Vinny?

what in the hell is he talking about anyways. the last time i seen we went to war because of 9/11. i starting to wonder if this guy is not a sixteen year old high school drop out.

He’s an OWS liberal anti-Semitic Jew hater and a LIAR. He’s also a Wikipedia Soldier.

THIS is the reason why GB hates Ron Paul:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKCc5SYCisQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

I’m more interested in your so called Military career where you were on a secret mission for 9 years, were a NCO but quit the Army because you had a “change of heart” and drove a truck but didn’t drive a truck. Please tell me, what was Dallas? How much did your PA weigh? Where did you go to college? How many Iraqi children play volley ball?

Why do you hate the Jews?

I’ve always loved Glenn Beck, I was a committed watcher when he was on Fox but it’s too bad that he’s not for the TRUE CONSERVATIVE who is RON PAUL.  The rest are Bureaucratic WA insiders, and none of them I believe will truly try to make the changes Ron Paul wants to make. His record alone proofs he is a man of Honor and Integrity NOT a typical kiss ass bureacrat.

@everydaysuitcoat
Well said but I feel your opinions are intellectually dishonest.
First you state Israel is our best ally. Isnt our best ally the one we trade with peacefully, voluntarily, and to our mutual benefit without any negative side effecrs? I have a good friend whom I really like but he steals from his neighbors, beats up his younger brother, and often embarasses me with his drunken belligerence. Would our best ally ask us to sacrifice lives for their own reasons?
Second, war is an extension of politics. I get the impression you feel only acts of violence constitute war. There are such things as economic warfare and we do engage in these acts with Iran. Does she not have a right to defend herself against acts of war. Who declared used economic king shit of turd island?
The federal reserve bank thats who. I cant educate you on that topic here and now. But I will say that limitless debt and counterfeiting enables all sorts of evil. Are we really justified in our actions just because the world is foolish enough to accept our debt and fiat currency? Jesus said “the silver is dross”. He threw the money changers out of the temple. Why are you defending the policies of the moneychanhers now?
Finally your comments were civil and even enjoyable to read and respond to. I suggest to everyone that they read Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt. It wouls also shed some light on this conversation we’re having.
Levon OIF 2005. BA biology. Lover of liberty.

@everydaysuitcoat
I re-read your comments and realized that I didnt directly arress the fallacy that I believe your position is based on. So here it goes;

It’s not that Ron Paul doesn’t believe their holding the gun. He believes and I concur based on my understanding of history that we pulled the gun first. According to your example, we are the intruders. Following from this, according to your arhuement, Iran has every right to “defend her home”.

So this begs the question, did we intrude on Iran thereby giving her the agreed upon right to defend herself? Did we aggress and is Iran exercising her right to defend against aggressors? That seems to be the root of our misunderstanding.
I believe we did act as the intruder. Heres an excerpt from wikipedia. I highly suggest the whole.bb page be read though for additional context. ” In 1951, after the assassination of prime minister Ali Razmara
, Dr. Mohammad Mosaddegh
 was elected prime minister
 by a parliamentary vote which was then ratified by the Shah. As prime minister, Mosaddegh became enormously popular in Iran after he nationalized
 Iran’s petroleum industry
 and oil reserves. In response, the British government, headed by Winston Churchill
, embargoed Iranian oil and successfully enlisted the United States to join in a plot to depose the democraticallyelected
 government of Mosaddegh. In 1953 US President Dwight D. Eisenhower
 authorized Operation Ajax
. The operation was successful, and Mosaddegh was arrested on 19 August 1953. The coup was the first time time the America government had ever openly overthrown an elected, civilian government.”
If we intruded the do we blame the homeowner for shooting us?

Wow, you have no clue what you’re talking about. Are you an adult or a child? I certainly hope you’re a child because no adult should be this far behind and brainwashed by the media.

What is happening today is EXACTLY what Ron Paul has been warning you about for 30 years. All you have to do is research it, it’s very simple.

You’re just too stupid to admit that you were wrong and too lazy to change it.

Sad, truly sad.