Glenn we all do make mistakes, and yes we make them in the heat of the moment at times, myself especially. Some leeway should be shown, yet lets wait until the entire body of evidence has been determined and investigated; then let the due process of the military take their course as mandated by their code of justice.

My grandfather was a marine, master sgt, by the end of WW2; he taught me the manner of self discipline, control and owning up to ones actions. Mistakes can happen yes, yet the fact is if the crime warrents discipline being meeted out then let it be done. If one person is spared for a crime and another is punished for the same thing then this breaks the trust of the corp one has for another, top down and bottom up.

Unless you can trust emphatically the fellows alongside of you, those in the chain of command above and below, the whole unit falls apart gradually and in the worst moment will collapse.

Watch for Obama to demand they be handed over to the Taliban or something, as I can easily see him using this matter to further break the armed forces to his will.

Also one thing about George Washington; when he handled one case of deserters, do not forget that most of them he pardoned, yet if I remember right, one or two did swing for the crime to make the point.

All in all, I’m sure the terrorists are more upset about being dead than peed on.  But where they are at, as hot as it is, a little being peed on would be a relief.

I think degrading their bodies by peeing on them is despicable.

“Despicable” is far too strong a word. Use “despicable” when a baby’s body is pissed upon, “depraved” when the still-warm liver is cut out and fed to the dogs.

“Inappropriate” is the strongest I can come up with. It’s not just a matter of anger and frustration (which you may understand), but it’s also the fact that troops are not as “awed” or shocked by seeing a dead body. They’re inured to the sight of death, which you and I do NOT understand.

Of course, you can throw in “brick stupid” for videotaping it.

Compassion in war is for the innocent; for the guilty, only swift death is called for.

Col. West was correct in saying that people who have never been in that position have no idea what they are saying and should shut their mouths.  Opinions are like butts–everyone has one and they usually stink!

 Second Anglo-Afghan War: Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Anglo-Afghan_War

“The British officer John Masters recorded in
his autobiography that Pathan women in the North-West
Frontier Province (1901–1955) of British India during the Second Anglo-Afghan War would
castrate non-Muslim soldiers
who were captured, like British and Sikhs.[7][8]
They also used an execution method involving urine, Pathan women urinated into
prisoner’s mouths.[9]
Captured British soldiers were spread out and fastened with restraints to the
ground, then a stick, or a piece of wood was used to keep their mouth open to
prevent swallowing. Pathan women then squatted and urinated directly into the
mouth of the man until he drowned in the urine, taking turns one at a time. This
method of execution was reported to have been practiced specifically by the
women of the Afridi tribe of the
Pashtuns.”

From the book “AFGANTSY; The Russians in Afghanistan 1979-1989″ by
Rodric Braithwaite:

“One mujahideen commander had a practice of castrating and
half-skinning Russian prisoners and leaving them alive surrounded by booby traps
for their rescuers. Russian morgue attendants had to deal with the aftermath of
such things,”

So before our illustrious Secretary of State, media, political generals
and especially Afghan President Hhamid Karzai condemns these Marines, they need
to read their history books. Pissing on DEAD bodies may not be an accepted act
but what the AFGHANS did to the Russians and British are war crimes and the
AFGHAN government need to police themselves before condemning the Marines who
have incurred the most casualties of all services to keep his corrupt government
in power. When Karzai arrests, imprisons and executes his own relatives,
friends, and associates for corruption and drug dealing then he can talk. Until
then, Karzi and Hillary should keep their “pie hole” shut!

Every body is a gift from God.  We are to be good stewards of that gift.  Do not desecrate the gift.

This is an example of how immorality at home affects morality in the battlefield.  We are losing the battle at home.

I agree with Rep Allen West. Let the military deal with it and stop micromanaging our military.

The MSM is trying turn this into Abu Graibe. This will only get people killed like the flushing the Korans down the toilet story did.

Would there have been similar complaints if W.W. II soldiers had done the same thing to the corpse of Adolph Hitler?  What’s the difference? No discipline, except for the guy who released the video – 30 days K P.

Well they didn’t cut their heads off or drag their dead bodies through town.

the libs just love the Taliban, but hate red Amercains

no glenn in previous wars we cut their ears off and put them on the m151 antanae.  stick with what LTC West said.  He knows as do many of us.  I have a problem with getting rapped for peeing while blowing their heads off is fine and dandy

Are you for real???? It because of that thinking the reason why the Nazi’s , the Taliban, and every other depraved movment in the world has florished…. Life maybe a gift from God but once you use that gift to do what these people do they are no longer worthy of the life they have been given and NO MERCY should be shown in despatching these people from this world…. I have see first hand what these types do from Bosnia to Central America. And all what you call morality on the battlefield gets you is you and your brothers in arms dead. But it easy for you to make nieve statements like that when its not your neck on the line!!!!!!

Disagree with Glenn.  Totally get why the Marines did what they did.  And I don’t care that they did it.  I do agree with Belbing…give the idiot that posted the video the punishment.  Otherwise, the rest of the Marines are justified in my book.

This reminds me of the line from “Apocalypse Now”, in which Kurtz points out the insanity of not allowing the F word on a bomber whose mission it was to kill hundreds of thousands of Japanese.  It is the killing, if anything, that we need to be concerned with.  As for the dead, they are gone.  This indicates lack of discipline, perhaps, but nothing more.  It is the job of Marines to want to kill their enemies.  It is the job of civilian leadership to give them missions worthy of their capabilities, and I am increasingly lacking in confidence that the Afghan mission qualifies.  We have no goal that can be defined.  Given that, I have been saying for two years that we need to draw down our troops by two thirds, and focus on training the Afghan military.  Let them do the killing and dying.

Jupco said it all!     That’s all that should be needed.    BUT!      We are supposse to be a civilized nation.     We are suppose to have character and be above that sort of thing.  And
I have a nephew just going over there.     He is taking classes on “injuries on the battlefield.”
Now that makes even me want to go weeeeeee on a dead enemy.     But then again, we are
Americans and we should be above that.    And I might add, that unfortunately a lot of men
in uniform now aren’t of the same character as was my husband way back in Viet Nam.  We
lost something on the way to now.   We can see rudeness and corruption now that didn’t
exist back then.     We are loosing our way as the world’s finest.    I am thinking “Gibbs”
may be the last true Marine.     And that is on TV.    Forgive me for the little joke!     But
our military is being reduced to some low lifes and my nephew (Praise God) is not one
of them.     He is a College graduated, fine young man.   I hope his attitude will remain that
of a true man in uniform.   A few bad apples bring out the worse in the whole barrel.  
Col. West, I wish you would have run for president!    You were and are one of finer Marines.
Do you think these little replies are read by those, as say, Col. West?  

If you had so much respect for the body, you would not shoot and kill it either.  Which in your opinion is worse, getting peed on or killed?

agree. More than justified. The politicians send our military to fight the politicians war and then when the military does the job they were sent to do the politicians criticize them.  The Afghan military action by the United States is not a “war”. The United States has not to this date declared war. 

I thought it was a religious thing to be buried at sea.  Since there was no sea close at hand, the Marines were doing the best they could under the circumstances.

Anybody for waterboarding the loudest whiners to find out why exactly they are whining?

Mr. West is correct.  Unless you’ve on the receiving end of “Incoming!”, your opinion is uninformed.  If you haven’t shouldered a musket, you don’t begin to grasp the situation.  

As a old Marine grunt who served in the unpleasantness in Southeast Asia, I can tell you that emotions run high (but usually controlled), and are expressed in some dark ways.  It may also be a safe bet that the ……s who are lying there were shooting at those grunts a short time before.  The Marines in question do deserve an Article 15, as well as whatever the First Sergeant can dream up – more for being dumb enough to have their actions recorded on video, hence embarrassing the Corps – than for the action itself.

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I would like to know when the last time anyone on the left showed any concern over any of the despicable things being done to our guys. It seems the only people, this administration or anyone on the left seems to sympathize with are a bunch of unholy dogs tearing our country and the Middle-East apart. And worse yet, the Muslim in the White House is aiding and abetting them. There are Christians and good soldiers dying, and we hear about this crap. NO they shouldn’t have done it, but we should have a leader who shows respect to this country and our men instead of a Muslim, who is hell-bent on tearing everything good and decent to shreds.

Because you are stupid to publicize it in the first place you should get punishment for the deed & broadcasting it.  Duh  However I can understand though your disgust over these dead men.  I also understand that these people have done a lot worse.  Their government does not need an apolgy.  Screw them.

So it’s ok to kill them, but they should be condemed for urinating on them? 

Instead of prosecuting and drumming them out of the service, they should be given a medal and a ticker tape parade.  The wonderful Taliban who we are negotiating with now mutilates and beheads our soldiers when they get a chance.

Couldn’t have said it better.  I hate when our government places these kiss A—-games with people like that.  This is why they think  they can do anything to the Americans, because our politicians stick up for t

The military has it’s own UCMJ (such as it is) Let the military take what action.

I’d piss on them too.

  I have to admit
that I’m somewhat bemused by the furor created over the Marines’ urination on
enemy bodies. Horrible, disgusting, and frightful are some of the whining words
coming from political hacks, chattering classes, and State Department wussies
who could never understand what these Marines do on a daily basis. People in
these latter groups couldn’t last a day with the dust, blood, loss, and fear
these men live with for months. Nor could they survive under Rules of
Engagement designed to sacrifice American lives rather than offend the enemy.

While
it never occurred to me to urinate on enemy bodies; I can’t say the same for
political hacks and State Department wussies (or for some senior officers I’ve
encountered).

Let us not forget what they have done to our Americans and no one thinks anything of them beheading our men or dangle them over a bridge after they have been tortured and the beat goes on oh how we forget what they have done to our soldiers and it really has not been that long ago, I am not saying that this conduct was right but least we should forget the many inhumane things they have done to our men/women…..

When we land against the enemy, don’t forget to hit him and hit him hard. When we meet the enemy we will kill him. We will show him no mercy. He has killed thousands of your comrades and he must die. If you company officers in leading your men against the enemy find him shooting at you and when you get within two hundred yards of him he wishes to surrender – oh no! That bastard will die! You will kill him. Stick him between the third and fourth ribs. You will tell your men that. They must have the killer instinct. Tell them to stick him. Stick him in the liver. We will get the name of killers and killers are immortal. When word reaches him that he is being faced by a killer battalion he will fight less. We must build up that name as killers.
— George S. Patton

Anyone want to guess how this “media outrage” and crocodile tears makes our enemys feel?

I don’t care what they did to a dead body,if it was a live person then I could see it being a problem. A dead body is meaningless it is to be returned to dust,the spirit has fled it’s shell and went to it’s final reward. Seeing that they was terrorist, I think we know what that is.

Of course this incident  created controversies across the full spectrum of political, ethical and ethnic believes…..but this is just a small though regrettable incident that is blown way out of proprtions by the liberal left (so what) but I am concerned more about the foreign press who spin this for their warped purposes! 

What they did falls under “ stress relief “.It will probably have helped them  more than a session with a psychiatrist.

Losing one’s soul for self-gratification in the name of war or revenge.

The dead are dead and what awaits them will be of the dead’s choosing.

Focus now shifts to the living.  Having just killed someone what do the living now choose?  The next shot they hear might be a bullet through their own head.  There will be an accounting.

Gustav Fogarascher Fogo there is NO EXCUSE for such an action! only animals act like this!

The whole controversy is ridiculous.  There is nothing terrible about marines urinating on dead Taliban.  

there is NO EXCUSE for such an action! only animals act like this! fuck US army and there first commander OBAMA!

There always seems to be a double standard in these matters. But, Sir, you said it well and I could only hope that it would be recognized as an imbalance and corrected. But, that will never happen. Their laws have nothing to do with their actions. They do as they please and when they please. It’s not fair, but then again, nothing about war is fair. Unfortunately, i feel it will only get worse. God be with us!!!!

Despicable!? I agree with Allen West, if you have not been shot at by the taliban, “shut up”. THE LAST THING I NEED TO HEAR FROM ANOTHER EXPERT WHO DIDN’T SERVE IN THE MILITARY .

i don’t know what it is like to fight in war so instead of given my thoughts on the story i am going to thank are men and women that give their all. they fight for are freedom and need are respect and thanks. God bless you guys and God bless the U.S.A.

Troops from a nation that claims to be based on Judeo-Christian values should not tolerate such behaviour.  I do not say that from a political or socially ” progressive ” standpoint, rather I am quite the opposite and it is my Christian values that inform my conscience as to how I think, speak and act.  Civilized behaviour is supposed to be the norm for any country with claims to be Christian.  This applies to all countries including my own – Ireland. 

the taliban are as good as dead when alive, so a tinkle breaks down the dead mass faster when they are down… what’s wrong with that?

God, I am so sick of all this chicken hawk tough guy talk. The following from a combat Marine explains why these acts dehumanize the living more than the dead. But I guess he wasn’t as “tough” enough for you internet warriors.

The war had so brutalized us that it was beyond
belief.

I noticed gold teeth glistening brightly between
the lips of several of the dead Japanese lying around us. Harvesting gold teeth
was one facet of stripping enemy dead that I hadn’t practiced so far. But
stopping beside a corpse with a particularly tempting number of shining crowns,
I took out my kabar [knife] and bent over to make the extractions. 

A hand grasped me by the shoulder, and I
straightened up to see who it was. “What are you gonna do, Sledgehammer?” asked
Doc Caswell. His expression was a mix of sadness and reproach as he looked
intently at me.”

“Just thought I’d collect some gold teeth,” I
replied.

“Don’t do it.”

“Why not, Doc?”

“You don’t want to do that sort of thing. What
would your folks think if they knew?”

“Well, my dad’s a doctor, and I bet he’d think
it was kinda interesting.” I replied, bending down to resume my task.

“No! The germs, Sledgehammer! You might get
germs from them.”

I stopped and looked inquiringly at Doc and said,
“Germs? Gosh, I never thought of that.”
…
Reflecting on the episode after the war, I
realized that Doc Caswell didn’t really have germs in mind. He was a good
friend and a fine, genuine person whose sensitivity hadn’t been crushed out by
the war. He was merely trying to help me retain some of mine and not become
completely callous and harsh.”

I’m sorry Glenn, but you are dead wrong on this one.  Until you spend 15 months getting up every morning to go to “work,” pack your bags and lay out your goodbye letters to your family so that it will be more convenient for your brothers to ship your stuff home with your dead body, and until you are welcomed home half the man you were whether it be because half of you is missing or your mind is no longer sound- until you experience those things- like Allen West said, you do need to shut up.  Right, wrong, or deplorable those guys shouldn’t have to be judged by a guy who is talking face to face to his wife and family and going to bed at night without the fear that a terrorist will mutilate his body and drag it through a street while people celebrate as he cries in pain- until then, you and everyone else of your opinion, respectfully- shut up. 

And may I point out that you have gotten so angry with people who are on a phone, not putting you in any danger, who are guilty only of annoying you to the point of screaming at them until you are hoarse?  You tell me how you might possibly be so in control of your emotions that you could be battling for life and then the next minute you can guarantee me you would not whip it out and pee all over those guys too? Or worse?  Don’t be so sure.  

So my point is this- what those guys did may have been wrong, we certainly don’t want to go around encouraging all carnal warrior acts and insisting we add them as part of protocol, and they were clearly not using good judgement when they photographed it and then put it up on Facebook or wherever, but YOU, me, David Barton and the guy next door, we need to turn our backs, shut our mouths, and let the guys who who do war deal with it.  And while you’re at it, take a few minutes to celebrate that the dead guys are terrorists with pee on them and not dead headless Marines.  

P.S.  As a reference, I agree with you about 90% of the time and I believe you are justified in shouting down your idiot callers, in fact, I quite enjoy it.  BUT- you are off base on this one and clearly a bit self righteous.  Re-read that passage from Ecclesiastes.  Expecting perfection 100% of the time from our men who are in the middle of a battle for their lives, in a situation in which they are being asked to become carnal, raw, emotionless warriors and commit deeds that normal men would go to jail for- is not realistic.  Give them a break when they can’t turn it off as fast as we’d like them to.  And honor the men, not their act, with silence.  

Everyone’s neck is on the line at all times.  No one is promised the next second.  There are many more depraved movements, just as deadly but a lot less obvious and in our own backyard.

If victory is to have any meaning the victors must be better than the vanquished and live the victory in a manner that that is good to all survivors.  Otherwise, it’s just slaughter.

I’m sorry Glenn, but you are dead wrong on this one.  Until you spend 15 months getting up every morning to go to “work,” pack your bags and lay out your goodbye letters to your family so that it will be more convenient for your brothers to ship your stuff home with your dead body, and until you are welcomed home half the man you were whether it be because half of you is missing or your mind is no longer sound- until you experience those things- like Allen West said, you do need to shut up.  Right, wrong, or deplorable those guys shouldn’t have to be judged by a guy who is talking face to face to his wife and family and going to bed at night without the fear that a terrorist will mutilate his body and drag it through a street while people celebrate as he cries in pain- until then, you and everyone else of your opinion, respectfully- shut up. 

And may I point out that you have gotten so angry with people who are on a phone, not putting you in any danger, who are guilty only of annoying you to the point of screaming at them until you are hoarse?  You tell me how you might possibly be so in control of your emotions that you could be battling for life and then the next minute you can guarantee me you would not whip it out and pee all over those guys too? Or worse?  Don’t be so sure.  

So my point is this- what those guys did may have been wrong, we certainly don’t want to go around encouraging all carnal warrior acts and insisting we add them as part of protocol, and they were clearly not using good judgement when they photographed it and then put it up on Facebook or wherever, but YOU, me, David Barton and the guy next door, we need to turn our backs, shut our mouths, and let the guys who who do war deal with it.  And while you’re at it, take a few minutes to celebrate that the dead guys are terrorists with pee on them and not dead headless Marines.  

P.S.  As a reference, I agree with you about 90% of the time and I believe you are justified in shouting down your idiot callers, in fact, I quite enjoy it.  BUT- you are off base on this one and clearly a bit self righteous.  Re-read that passage from Ecclesiastes.  Expecting perfection 100% of the time from our men who are in the middle of a battle for their lives, in a situation in which they are being asked to become carnal, raw, emotionless warriors and commit deeds that normal men would go to jail for- is not realistic.  Give them a break when they can’t turn it off as fast as we’d like them to.  And honor the men, not their act, with silence.

The problem is all those little girly civilians whom have never put it on the line for anyone and all the politically correct x-military politicians. The fact is yow have to make your enemy fear you! Throughout wars things have been done to the dead of the enemy as a sign of what to expect if they keep fighting. The problem is that the civilians do not fight the war or suffer the consequences of it. If you object to the way a war is faught, then join the military as enlisted and put your life on the line. Have your children that are 17 and older join and go to the front line.

The reason wars last so long are so expensive and are no longer really own by our military is all the little rules that we must obey that our enemy does not obey. The problem is we exchange one for hundreds if not thousands of the enemy. There are to many people sitting at home making judgements about something they know nothing about. And to much political correctness that military have to keep their months shut or pay a huge price for backing their fellow soldiers.  

The complaints of the lazy and selfish. All this while Billions are stolen and laws being violated and the President, Congress and the Senate and all the other politicians and leftest turn a blind eye. Tell me whom should really be punished, these soldiers or the crooks in Washington and the rest of the country that have sit at home on their lieing rears while they loot the country!

I know why this happened.  It was a knee jerk reaction to an incident that had occurred just 24hrs previous.  It is not justified however, it is understandable considering the facts that will never be released to the public in order to preserve military famliy members of a soldier who was not part of this team.  CBS is so far off base on their reporting it is hard to imagine they have America’s best intrests in mind.

E.B. Sledge – With the Old Breed

I agree with Col. Allen West suggests be their form of discipline.  He is most qualified to comment on this issue.  His statement is appropriate, it does NOT excuse them or their action, but he does attempt to remind us of what may have prompted their action.  
I would hope that these young mens’ names would remain anonymous and a Military matter ONLY; Not fodder for the progressive/America/US Military press/politicians.  
May God bless our American Military!

If you are in the world and not trying to change it, you are sinning.

The problem is all those little girly civilians whom have never put it on the line for anyone and all the politically correct x-military politicians. The fact is yow have to make your enemy fear you! Throughout wars things have been done to the dead of the enemy as a sign of what to expect if they keep fighting. The problem is that the civilians do not fight the war or suffer the consequences of it. If you object to the way a war is faught, then join the military as enlisted and put your life on the line. Have your children that are 17 and older join and go to the front line.

The reason wars last so long are so expensive and are no longer really own by our military is all the little rules that we must obey that our enemy does not obey. The problem is we exchange one for hundreds if not thousands of the enemy. There are to many people sitting at home making judgements about something they know nothing about. And to much political correctness that military have to keep their months shut or pay a huge price for backing their fellow soldiers.  

The complaints of the lazy and selfish. All this while Billions are stolen and laws being violated and the President, Congress and the Senate and all the other politicians and leftest turn a blind eye. Tell me whom should really be punished, these soldiers or the crooks in Washington and the rest of the country that have sit at home on their lieing rears while they loot the country!

E.B. Sledge-With the Old Breed

In WWII dead allied troops were regularly stripped and defiled in ways that urinating would be the least of anyones worries. In WWII the Germans in the early part of the war used serrated bayonet that once plunged into the victim was pulled out pulling the intestines out with it. The Americans responded by cutting off the noses of any dead German carrying a serrated bayonet. Shortly afterwards the Germans retired the bayonet. It’s no wonder most soldiers won’t talk of war once they return for it. Nothing I’ve heard from this article came close to the killing, burning and carving of cooked human flesh by the Al Queda.

Spot on Nancy.  Military matter.

When ya gotta go, ya gotta go. So you might as well go where there’s already some pieces of crap laying on the ground.  Semper Fi and God bless the Corps.

Sorry this showed up twice- I don’t know how to delete it.

If we had a media like ths in World War II, we would be speaking Japanese,German or turned into lampshades or soap. This is because sedition laws were enforced. Sedition laws are not enforced today.CNN et al would be shut down and their heads thrown in prison until after the war.

Seems to me that I have not heard a peep fm the Taliban, only Karzai and our gov’t seem to have their panties in a wad.

What abt our SEALS whose bodies were desecrated by the Taliban.  Ask Marcus Lutrell what he thinks abt the Marines’ actions.

The one in the most trouble is the idiot who videotaped it!

I SO AGREE, what they did might be upsetting to some people, I have been saying piss on em for years, but I agree, this is not a crime!

Islam: Only Cowards Stone People to Death: An Islamic Religious RitualAugust 19, 2010 – by Phyllis CheslerYesterday, I appeared on Fox News’ The Strategy Room to discuss a recent stoning in Afghanistan and the issue of stoning in general. Kimberly Guilfoyle interviewed me both skillfully and graciously. The subject is a very distressing and somewhat mysterious one for most westerners.What does it mean when a mob of men, numbering anywhere from 50 to 200, stone a female child to death — as happened in October of 2008 in Somalia? That poor soul was not only a 13-year-old child, she had also just been raped. Indeed, that was her sole ” crime ” and the reason for her torture-execution. She was forced into a hole and buried nearly up to her neck. She took a long time to die and kept crying out for her life. In addition to the 50 active stoners, 1000 more men cheered them on.What does this tell us?First, that barbarians are mainly cowards who do not view themselves as responsible for their actions. Everyone is the murderer and therefore, no one is the murderer. The group both absorbs and atones for any possible guilt or hesitation that even one individual might have felt. However, as we shall see, there is also another way of looking at this.For a culture presumably so concerned with “honor,” so consumed with concepts of responsibility towards the family, clan, or “ummah” (Muslim people), those who stone a living being to death utterly shrink from any individual responsibility for carrying out their bloody deeds. Entire families become conspirators in an honor killing; village and religious councils collaborate to issue a death sentence; Muslim men sexually harass women in the streets (of Egypt) — and in large mosque-inflamed mobs (in Algeria).In terms of stoning, which is primarily a contemporary Muslim-only custom, not only do cowardly men hide behind each other, clearly they lack the ability to act as individuals. That power is reserved for one man, one leader, one ruling cabal only. In Afghanistan, the Taliban hooligans threw the first stones.This tells us something else that is important. The need for a mob is, in a sense, proof that the individuals who compose it are all being held hostage to the will of the psychopathic criminals who rule them. Oppose them, and you yourself might be stoned to death. Hostage-mobs also share the “guilt,” or rather, their leaders’ point of view. The leaders cannot be held accountable for their actions either — everyone did it.In addition, sharing a so-called Muslim sinner’s blood, especially female blood, is yet another way to forge a blood-brotherhood that is based on male supremacism.Stoning is practiced in contemporary Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, and Nigeria. In 2006, a poll conducted in “moderate” Indonesia found that 50% of Muslims there supported stoning in cases of adultery, however it is defined. Adultery might include: a married woman who is raped by a stranger, or a woman promised in marriage to one man but who chooses another. This is precisely what happened in the recent case in Afghanistan.The Grand Torturer Khomeini brought stoning back to Iran. Uneducated mullahs in the provinces rather liked it. They also liked drugs, drug trafficking, forcing girls into prostitution and then jailing or hanging them for it; temporary “marriages”; forced veiling, etc. Although stoning is now under legal review in Iran, to date, eight men and three women await stoning execution.In Iran, one woman, accused of adultery, was sentenced to be lashed 99 times — and then sentenced to be stoned to death. Due to an international campaign and due to the hard work of Iranian dissidents, Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani’s sentence was delayed. But she was lashed 99 times and her teenage son was forced to witness her helplessness, humiliation, and torture — and, in a sense, forced to both share these emotions, second-hand with his mother. Her son’s presence before her nakedness was meant to shame them both and challenged him to become a very hard man as a way of avoiding an eventual nervous breakdown.I am not sure whether there is any connection, but think about this. When Muslims go on pilgrimage to Mecca, part of their three day ritual includes stoning “The Devil.” Large groups literally throw stones at giant concrete pillars. This suggests that stoning is a Muslim religious ritual, not a tribal custom. Therefore, stoning a living human being is not only an act of human sacrifice — it is a classic religious ritual meant to glorify the stoners’ God.A little like jihad if you ask me.
August 19, 2010 – by Phyllis Chesler

Yesterday, I appeared on Fox News’ The Strategy Room to discuss a recent stoning in Afghanistan and the issue of stoning in general. Kimberly Guilfoyle interviewed me both skillfully and graciously. The subject is a very distressing and somewhat mysterious one for most westerners.
What does it mean when a mob of men, numbering anywhere from 50 to 200, stone a female child to death — as happened in October of 2008 in Somalia? That poor soul was not only a 13-year-old child, she had also just been raped. Indeed, that was her sole ” crime ” and the reason for her torture-execution. She was forced into a hole and buried nearly up to her neck. She took a long time to die and kept crying out for her life. In addition to the 50 active stoners, 1000 more men cheered them on.What does this tell us?First, that barbarians are mainly cowards who do not view themselves as responsible for their actions. Everyone is the murderer and therefore, no one is the murderer. The group both absorbs and atones for any possible guilt or hesitation that even one individual might have felt. However, as we shall see, there is also another way of looking at this.For a culture presumably so concerned with “honor,” so consumed with concepts of responsibility towards the family, clan, or “ummah” (Muslim people), those who stone a living being to death utterly shrink from any individual responsibility for carrying out their bloody deeds. Entire families become conspirators in an honor killing; village and religious councils collaborate to issue a death sentence; Muslim men sexually harass women in the streets (of Egypt) — and in large mosque-inflamed mobs (in Algeria).In terms of stoning, which is primarily a contemporary Muslim-only custom, not only do cowardly men hide behind each other, clearly they lack the ability to act as individuals. That power is reserved for one man, one leader, one ruling cabal only. In Afghanistan, the Taliban hooligans threw the first stones.This tells us something else that is important. The need for a mob is, in a sense, proof that the individuals who compose it are all being held hostage to the will of the psychopathic criminals who rule them. Oppose them, and you yourself might be stoned to death. Hostage-mobs also share the “guilt,” or rather, their leaders’ point of view. The leaders cannot be held accountable for their actions either — everyone did it.In addition, sharing a so-called Muslim sinner’s blood, especially female blood, is yet another way to forge a blood-brotherhood that is based on male supremacism.Stoning is practiced in contemporary Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, and Nigeria. In 2006, a poll conducted in “moderate” Indonesia found that 50% of Muslims there supported stoning in cases of adultery, however it is defined. Adultery might include: a married woman who is raped by a stranger, or a woman promised in marriage to one man but who chooses another. This is precisely what happened in the recent case in Afghanistan.The Grand Torturer Khomeini brought stoning back to Iran. Uneducated mullahs in the provinces rather liked it. They also liked drugs, drug trafficking, forcing girls into prostitution and then jailing or hanging them for it; temporary “marriages”; forced veiling, etc. Although stoning is now under legal review in Iran, to date, eight men and three women await stoning execution.In Iran, one woman, accused of adultery, was sentenced to be lashed 99 times — and then sentenced to be stoned to death. Due to an international campaign and due to the hard work of Iranian dissidents, Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani’s sentence was delayed. But she was lashed 99 times and her teenage son was forced to witness her helplessness, humiliation, and torture — and, in a sense, forced to both share these emotions, second-hand with his mother. Her son’s presence before her nakedness was meant to shame them both and challenged him to become a very hard man as a way of avoiding an eventual nervous breakdown.I am not sure whether there is any connection, but think about this. When Muslims go on pilgrimage to Mecca, part of their three day ritual includes stoning “The Devil.” Large groups literally throw stones at giant concrete pillars. This suggests that stoning is a Muslim religious ritual, not a tribal custom. Therefore, stoning a living human being is not only an act of human sacrifice — it is a classic religious ritual meant to glorify the stoners’ God.A little like jihad if you ask me.

Unless any of us have been there and been shot at repeatedly we really should not judge them

General Patton took a whiz in the Rhine River when he crossed it in his advance into Germany in WWII and everyone thought it was comical, it was.  And who really knows whether soldiers on either side of any war never took a whiz on a dead combatant, haven’t you ever heard someone say they would piss on another person’s grave – and that is likely to have happened.  Get over it, these were 19 or 20 year olds that gave no thought to repercussions, it was just something comical to do, they didn’t embarrass anyone but themselves. A few moments before this occurred these individuals were intent on killing our boys and if by chance they had killed or captured one of these Marines, getting pissed on would have been nothing compared to the depredations they would impose, beheading and gutting, dragged and hung. I suppose the bleeding hearts would prefer that the dead were treated the same as Osama bin Laden was, you know, washed, clothed in white and prayed over before burial at sea.    

Your story is not correct in the least… It was not WW2 but WW1 that the Germans had a Serated Bayonet and the story you are telling is a myth. It never happened. The Bayonet in question was a Engineers bayonet and later in the war when more and more replacments were being thrown into the German army some infantry got issued these bayonets from existing stocks. When this was discovered they were quickly replaced with standard bayonets. If your going to tell a story at least get it right….

And….. my younger son spent his time in Iraq. The enemy did far worse and he saw it on a daily basis. And no, he never felt the urge to do such things (which did happen in front of him) but had no problem with others doing so. Like he said; “You were not there”

When in Vegas, what happens in Vega stays in Vegas. When in Afghanistan, what happens in Afghanistan stays in Afghanistan. Bust tthe Marine that took the pictures and posted them. Give the pissing Marines the Congressional Medal of Honor for outstanding courage to piss in the face of the enemy. Semper FI

I have to say that it was a story related to me by my father, who has passed,so I’ll have to take your word for it. I thank you for the correction.

They should be punished. But no more than maybe an article 15.

It is time to let our miltary DO THEIR JOB, the truth is our troops have had their hands tied behind their back, sent out sometimes without ammo, made to respect the enemy&their customs, but turn their back on our nations values, &PEOPLE WONDER WHY THEY MIGHT JUST BE A LITTLE CONFUSED AFTER BEING SHOT AT AND LAUGHED AT by the enemy. Reality is the truth is a darn scary thing, war is hell. Congressman West is one of the most amazing heros of our time, how about we respect the men & women who serve, say thanks and start doing our best as Americans everyday to realize we as a nation are in clear and present danger of losing all that is dear to us. Our troops see our future approaching, with leaders who treat them as playthings with disregard for their very lives. Maybe it is time to make this a teachable moment for King Obama& have Americans start posting the true storys of the horror our troops endore under our bully,evil Chicago Mafia thugs in Washington who make all of us puppets dance daily! The choice is yours fellow Americans you can stay on the strings, drink the kool-aid&let the Statecontrolled media lead you by the nose on thinking how you should feel about this Marines or you can use your own brain to make up your own mind and understand we are at a critical point in our nations history. PEACEFULLY stop being afraid of the truth,stop being afraid to be brave enough to say it, to stand up for it, SUPPORT OUR TROOPS ALWAYS!

I agree the Marines should take care of this , but let them take care of it at the lowest level if it really happened. I can’t look at that video and really tell if they are urinating on the bodies or not. We are all supposed to be no guilty until proven without doubt to be otherewise. Let the NCO’s take care of it. They will know , the higher ups need to take of the war and take care of our troops not the enemy ! I agree the rest of the lying predjudice media and inept politicians need to get back to doing their jobs and let the military do their job without their interferance!  It’s time to stop paying all of the Washington DC crowd since they aren’t doing what they were elected to do.

I get pretty pukin’ sick of Ivey League educated elitists sending young Americans off to the savagery of war and then acting shocked when they are exposed to the slightest little bit of it. Apparently, Glenn Beck is offended by their actions. Perhaps, he will go off to fight, himself, next time. While I would like to believe that I would not have pissed on the dead jihadis, I was not there and I did not go through what they did. I do know, however, that I would not behead someone and then post it on the internet. I would not hang the burned bodies of my enemy from a bridge. I am done with a media that will equivocate what these Marines did with what those Taliban would have done, had they lived. How about shooting a woman in the back of her head for leaving the house without an escort? Doesn’t really back up the assertion that the Taliban are simply looking after her own good.

All is fair in love and war. What was wrong was video taping and getting caught. If I was there, I would have gotten shit-faced drunk (so my alcohol content would be very high), pissed on them and then struck a match. Voooorssh! Up in smoke & flames. Remember folks, these Taliban assholes are the same people who kidnap American citizens (not military) and behead them on video.

THESE WARS STARTED BY KING OBAMA MUST END.  THEY WILL BE OUR DOOM–  VOTE FOR RON PAUL – 2012 AND LETS GET AMERICA BACK AND STOP THE WAR NOW.

Screw you and your anti-military rant. Obviously, you aren’t American. You might be next!

Glenn, I agree with Allen West.  They were wrong in doing this, let them get an Article 15, yes, it does stay in their military file. Let them apologise to their fellow Corp members for acting in a totally inappropriate way while wearing the uniform.  Then call it a day.  The War is still going on, these were a couple of soldiers that were wrong in doing what they did BUT there are a good many soldiers, sailors and airmen that are good, honorable, people.  Frankly, I wish this hadn’t been taped and the military could have taken care of this themselves. 

Col. West in not correct.  These guys deserve a reprimand (verbal) by the unit commanding officer and then move on.  If they get anything stiffer, fragging would not be inappropriate in my opinion.

It’s conduct unbecoming. They deserve a little more than a verbal reprimand.

I believe that the war against the Taliban started when Osama Bin Laden flew 2 passenger jets into the towers of the World Trade Center and another jet into the Pentagon.  So this war precedes Obuzzard’s little kingdom by more than seven years.  George W. Bush, Jr. then began bombing Afghanistan before 30 days elapsed after the loss of 3000 American lives.  So this may be difficult as a foreign policy challenged Ron Paul supporter, but it is important to speak the Truth about the cause of events.

I fall on the side that it was wrong to do … but in a similar fashion to the fact that if an armed robber double-parked while committing the robbery … that would be wrong.  I don’t want to encourage or celebrate what they did … but 99% of the war-mongers I hear (including you Glenn) have never served and have no immediate family members who are serving or are likely to server if we go into the next foray that they are interested in (Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Pakistan, Iran, N. Korea, China, … I’ve heard them all).  And 99% of the politicians screaming about this have never been on the front lines of an active engagement with an enemy.  Maybe if more of these decisions were being by men and women who truly understand that war is hell (and not those who think they understand it because they remember how hard that tug-of-war was at the last family reunion), men and women who understand what our founding fathers said about NON-Involement (I can provide countless quotes), and have a loved one who could be lost in the over-extension of our military … we’d be a lot more prudent about this and then seeing a video of this minor wrong would seem a lot less heinous.  So let’s let the American Idol watchers decide things like colors for gov’t advertisements … and let’s let people who understand what it is really like to get shot at, bombed, etc … make the decisions about international affairs.

Where were these people that are so eager to punish our Marines now , when Daniel Pearl was killed and Nick Berg beheaded and video posted online, I remember hearing some mild denouncing of their actions,but nothing like the outcry over this .  Sure this was not a nice thing to do , but trying to kill Americans isn’t either. 
Hey, there’s a lot of politicians alive I would like to piss on.  

OK, you have just been shot at by these goofballs, your adrenaline is pumping at record levels and you urinate on the dead enemy.  Remember, if these were American soldiers, they would be mutilated, burned, beheaded, peed on spat on and otherwise defiled.  I call BS on this PC line.  Discipline them, (mildly), thank them for their service and let them do their job.  Hillary Clinton, shut the hell up!

Let the MARINES handle this issue, The ugliest thing that was done here, was that these young men were not embarrassed to urinate in public!!!!!! Don’t forget what General Pershing wanted to do to the dead Muslims! 

I have to wonder if this was something staged to continue this anti-American rhetoric that is placing our country in such jeopardy. Nothing like making the men and women that protect us daily with their lives on the line as the villians. God help us!!! And Thanks Glenn for keeping the faith and putting your voice out there to keep us informed!!

Where is the line?Sorry I missed it..You need to visit a VA Hospital.Tell me how you wimps feel after that.Semper Fidelis Brothers

Thank you for remembering our friends from the 101st Airborne who fell victim in Mozul , Iraq
23 Nov, 03

What’s important in this situation is what God’s word says about it.
His word says that if we mock or bragg over the killing of our enemies..then His wrath will be taken away from them. Consider this if you believe there is a God. 2 Timothy also says that any good soldier that warreth does not entangle himself in the trivialities of this world. All these conflicts that evil men conspire to do for their own benefit are considered trivialities to God. Consider also…Romans 12:1-4   ….The verse that says “Separate yourselves from this world.”
No matter what happens on this planet while we exist here at this time….God’s word is coming to pass and we will witness what He says is evil waxing “worse and worse.” We shouldn’t be at war with anyone if we truly “Trust in God.”  Good will…. even toward our enemy is something most people will never understand, and therefore will not be able to understand the word of God.
Life here in this world is a very small time period compared to eternity…..wake up and hear God.

I think the MORE despicable thing is Hilliary Clinton having the nerve to openly criticize our troops.  Let HER put her life on the line and see how she would handle it.

I disagree with you, Glenn. When the enemy commits atrocities, they never apologize. Its wrong for us to do so. They should have also poured pork fat on their bodies.

Maybe they should have…then we’d see how the media would handle it when we could throw it in their faces the hypocrisy of their actions.

I agree. It should be handled internally. Hillary should have no voice in these matters.

What are you talking about, Trish? Don’t you remember how they were shooting at her when she got off of the airplane in Bosnia? LOL!!

glen, what the F… are you thinking. Those Marines should be given a medal. I thought you had more character than you have shown today. If I were there I would piss on every Talaban I could find

Lt. Col. Allen West is right on again as he usually is on matters such as these.  He knows that war is hell.  been there done that.  Yet, he knows that urinating on dead bodies of the enemy is simply wrong, and this wrong can be avoided by good men.  The Bible in Deuteronomy speaks about the beautiful maidens that were often raped in the heat of battle.  Now rape is normally forbidden under any circumstances, but the Bible goes on to describe how the soldiers of ancient Israel were commanded to humanize the prisoner women of the Army of G-d.  In the end, the soldier had to marry the gal or to free her.  She was not supposed to be treated as chattel for his harem.  Remember that your enemy as evil as he may be is still a human being, and these travesties can be avoided.

worst thing they did was record it,war is hell .dont send youg men into a kill or be killed situation and be surprised or horrified at how they act,it was morally wrong but ahell of alot worse things have happened on both sides its only in this age of instant media these thing come to light,alot lot of things in war are better left unsaid or unknown..

F   K     Glenn:  I am 90 yrs of age and a veteran of WII,  Korea and Vietnam.  I admire the
Marine (s) who pissed on Taliban bodies and altho I’ll be long gone before Glenn, please
believe me when I say I would gladly piss on his grave.

Nick

There is no honor in pissing on dead bodies. You only dishonor yourself. Our soldiers are better than that. But, a slap on the wrist is a good enough punishment.

There was no crime! yes what they did was wrong. What should be done to them? Send them home and thank them for their service. And give them an honorable discharge.

I have to go now!!! I only wish I could have the pleasure to piss on their dead face! Are we forgetting about what these animals do and stand for?!  Send them all to HELL!!!  GOOD JOB TROOPS!!! 

I think Glenn said that too.  Bury them in pork fat if it stops the cruelty of the enemy.  But pissing on their bodies accomplishes nothing for the successful completion of the war effort.  The purpose of war is to defeat the enemy by killing more of them than they do of you.  Pissing on them does not accomplish this as an ends.  Yes, Muslim cruelty throughout its long history is well-documented.  So destroy their evil at its core, but don’t become even remotely like them.  Unlike the enemy which rewards cruelty, the soldiers who did this should not be receiving medals of honor for this behavior.  And who said anything about an apology to the Taliban?  The only standard that the soldiers have to hold themselves accountable to is G-d’s.  Lt. Col West was right as usual in his analysis.  He needs a promotion if an actual POTUS who deserves respect is ever elected.

Take your Article 15 punishment (Which should be “set aside”) Apologize to THE CORP, and our Country, but NEVER apologize to the enemy – or people that support our enemy! 

War is Hell!
It’s supposed to be.
It must be so that it’s only the action of last resort.

Atrocities have always taken place during war – it ain’t right – but it is true.
During the American Indian wars – babies heads were stomped on to save bullets, women’s breasts were cut-off and cured for tobacco pouches, women’s vaginas were cut-off and stretched for hat bands by the soldiers.
Though out history, body parts have been cut-off as trophies, enemies were skinned (sometimes while alive), dismembered, disemboweled.
During Vietnam, fingers, ears, and penis’ were taken as trophies. I knew one sniper that took a right hand, boiled the flesh off and strung the bones back together.

What these Marines did may not have been right – but, until you’ve been there you have no right.
Be glad that’s all they did, considering what the “enemy” has done to our soldiers.

War is Hell!
It’s supposed to be.

How does urinating on dead bodies equate to beheadings?

ugh.  This comment is probably true but difficult to stomach which is why I respect Lt. Col. Allen West’s opinion on these matters.  He seems to get to the punch on the basic Truths of morality in warfare.  He needs to be made Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff if by 2013 there is still any money left to fund an American armed forces.  By the time the next president takes the oath of office, Obammy will probably have bankrupted the country.  

I think they are making far too much out of the matter.  While it is a tacky thing to do symbolically speaking, it really is not as severe an action taken as having shot the enemy dead in the first place, and the deceased has no knowledge of what happens afterwards either, so it could be said to the soldiers that you don’t disrespect the dead bodies of the enemy anymore than you would want it done to you were you in the place of the deceased, and leave it at that.  

The only thing that was insulted is the marine’s pee …..Though I saw no actual  pee or private parts in the photo…

I personally am offended at wimps who think peeing on a dead taliban is offensive….The taliban felt nothing… whereas the taliban tortured many living soldiers…

I agree with Glenn. I don’t think these Marines committed a crime, but what they did does constitute conduct unbecoming a Marine. Peeing on your enemy is the act of a common, low-life thug.  Marines are better than that. America is better that that, and these Marines represent America to the world.

Pee on a Crucifix, you’re an “artist”. Pee on The American Flag, you’re a “Constitutionalist”. Pee on a Police Car, you’re a “Freedom Loving 99%er”. Pee on the Taliban POS  that just tried to kill you & your fellow Marines, you’re a Villain.There seems to be very little, if any, outrage when people urinate on symbols of what might be termed “good” institutions. The Flag, Christianity etc. But urinate on someone that would love to post the Youtube of your beheading and the world is going to end. 
Every day doctors are sucking out the brains of partially delivered babies, where’s the outrage. I’ll bet if there was a video showing people urinating on a dumpster of aborted fetuses, there wouldn’t even be a story in the media. As if the dumpster isn’t outrageous enough. Maybe it’s time to re-focus our outrage to the truly barbaric acts being performed in the good ol’ USA. 

Glenn quoted Eccl.”THere is no righteous man upon the earth who does good and never sins.” He states “there are plenty of people who never sin but don’t necessarily do good either…If there are those actively trying to change the world, they’re going to make mistakes” This is where he is sincerely wrong. If he reads in Romans 3:23, Glenn will find this: “For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (emphasis added) Hence the need for a savior–Jesus Christ. Glenn has quoted scripture on his program before, so it surprised me to know he has this wrong. I agree with most of what they’re are saying here, but this false statement had to be corrected.

Hello America,

Being career military during the Vietnam era, and having served over there I feel qualified to speak on the subject.  The desacration of enemy bodies has a long history.  War compels even decent God fearing people to do things that is contrary to their righteous nature.  I have never condoned it, nor do I now.  Such egregious acts of behavior put our troops in the mentality of those we fight.  Though I don’t condone it, I understand full well why it happens.  Having gone through the psychological meatgrinder violence of war, seeing and doing things contrary to the collective American nature, our warriors are apt to act out their severe angst in ways such as this.  Urinating on enemy bodies is mild compared to what happens as a result of prolonged combat.  We read about it often.  I saw it in Vietnam. 

Think about tours of duty of active combat lasting a year or more.  Think about what that can do to the mind.  The Marines should be punished as Col. West suggested and hopefully be the much wiser.  We are not a barbaric people, though some of us can be reduced to that.

The Turban Torpedo

Midnspike,

Bottom line sir, our Islamic enemy are savage barbarians that serve Satan.  Everything goes.  We serve the living God Jehovah and are held accountable to his rules of humanity.

The Turban Torpedo

Al Beddy,

A captured German soldier once said to an elderly neighbor of mine, “It’s a politicians war and a poor mans fight.”  I’m with you regard the way our government derilects treat our men and women in uniform.  But, but, but, WE PUT THESE SELF-SERVINING DERILECTS IN THEIR POSITION OF POWER.  Shame on ‘We the people of the United States . . .’

You would think we would stop and contemplate, learning by our mistake at the polling booth.  We don’t as the elected officials get worse every election cycle. Shame on us.

The Turban Torpedo

We have too many who are not the ones fighting who want to say whats right and whats wrong.
These troops did nothing wrong. If you listen to what they did to our guys I say you fight a fight on whatever level it takes to win regardless of how grizzly it is. What next? We’re going to send our troops with a bouquet of roses. Hell we need back those like General Patton who was out to win a war regardless. Patton stated to the troops we’ll use the dead of our enemy to grease our tank treads. Christ these days we have to many who sniffle about this but have never been in the face of danger.

It’s wrong just wrong, I don’t care what the other side does.. but don’t be bringing yourself down to the other sides level. You are American’s stand tall can you after peeing on another human dead body! I don’t care if he is the enemy.. remember your oath.. Those who fight wars tired.. they keep fighting for people who frankly don’t give a damn if they are even there. Afghanistan is proof of that! What was the purpose of how many lost lives there.. for what?? I know they are tired, and must feel defeated.. but please do not bring yourselves down to this, you are our heroes.. but this tarnishes the shine on the name hero!

I often wonder why do so many good people choose to record for posterity, situations that will come back to haunt them…It does not matter if I understand why they did what they did, I truely understand who is standing for freedom and keeping the wolves of the world at bay. I hope and pray those brave Marines come out of war with their heads screwed on right.

Pig  Fat rules!  Yep wrap the bodies in pig fat, bury them in pig fat, coat all our bullets in pig fat.
As for peeing on the bodies, BFD!  For those folks who don’t know what that means; “BIG FRIGG”N DEAL! ”

I don’t give a flying fig that peeing on the bodies may make the enemy mad at us. What are they going to do? Fly airplanes into our buildings and kill as many innocent people as possible?  Or maybe kill our soldiers and drag thier bodies behind jeeps? Or maybe capture our soldiers, and if they are female, gang rape them?  Oh, yeah, THEY DID THAT. So excuise the heck out of me for saying I DON”T CARE if a Marine,who just happens to be risking hie/her life every moment of every day they are there pees on every Taliban body the make.

You gotta go you gotta go. No porta Potties in picture.  Lets make Glenn and Secratary of State happy break out the tow hitch and put a Porta Pottie behind those Military Vehicles.

This is not the Boy Scouts and this is surley not Camp Blue Bird.  Glenn Beck, Allen West  comes from the same mold. 

First. These Taliban got the killing that they deserved . Second. All Taliban sympathizers deserve the same for allowing the brutal disgusting treatment that the Taliban so wantonly extend to their brethren. Just for what they do to their own, the Taliban disavow their humanity, become wild animals and renounce the worthiness of any respect in life or death. If, in fact, our Marines did urinate on their worthless dead bodies, they were showing the proper respect to worthless pieces of trash. Maybe more respect than due to trash that cannot or should not even be recycled. The video appears to me to be Marines feigning urination to show their distain for those worthless excuses for humanity. I do not see any streams of urine or any other liquid emanating from what appears to be their penises. Nor can I discern any liquid on their bodies at all. This seems to be a bad taste joke gone awry. They deserve a verbal reprimand for bad taste and the matter should be put to rest.

Retired Marine here.  No excuse to do what they did.  Part of the honor of a Marine is to never do anything that will reflect badly upon your fellow Marines or upon the Corps as a whole.  It is an honor thing.  You don’t have to love the enemy, but to do what these Marines did is an unnecessary disrespect that does reflect badly upon themselves as honorable individuals, and goes counter to what they were taught as young Marines and hopefully as young family members in honorable american families before becoming Marines.  Having said that, is it a capital crime to do that deed?  No, it is not.  Bad judgement?  Yes.  Deserving of punishment?  Yes.  A career killer?  Probably.  Jail time?  No.

We would likely be highly upset if it were our warriors lying there being defiled also.  Don’t forget that.

How about adding the full Allen West Quote.
“I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.
“All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq?
“The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.
“As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.”

I think the Marines should have respectfully buried them in body bags made out of pigskins.

This wouldn’t be happening if these animals hadn’t flown planes into our buildings.  So the lesson to be learned here is:

If you don’t want to be pissed on, don’t fly planes into buildings.

The pigs deserve more respect than that.

There are rules in the UCMJ, regarding prisoners the dead, the animals and property of the dead,enemy You don’t take photos of your fire team, then put them on the “internets” to coin a phrase from my old CIC.That said,we should’ve been issued porkfat,and tomahawks.Everyone knows whats going to happen next.Remeber guys don’t post shit on the internet. 

Would you want to touch those disgusting dirty creatures.  Maybe they were trying to clean them. 

On 9/11 they showed how they respect human life in general, THEY chose there path when they killed innocent people ! Atleast they weren’t buried alive ! WAR is hell deal with it !
Remember the friend of my enemy is not my friend ?
It just mean’s that when they get there 1,000  2,000 wives they’ll smell like piss, TOUGH !!!

piss on them all…they are looking to do the same to US….

Finally, someone with a lick of common sense! Isn’t there anything more important to talk about than lack of judgment by a few young men–like our treasonous politicians?

They guy that videotaped it and posted it too stupid to be in the Marines.

The actions of others do not by any means excuse the actions of an individual.  Each person is responsible for his/her actions.  I would love for the people of this great nation to remember that!  Man up and confess, what was done was wrong.  Stop playing the blame game!  Just because someone does wrong to you does not give you cause to do something back.  I call upon all Americans to rise up and be the better man, to show the rest of the world what we truly stand for.  Combat is one of the worst circumstances to try to maintain one’s sense of right and wrong.  To be constantly exposed to the atrocities one experiences during war wears on a person and his/her sense of humanity.  But are we not called by God to rise above this?  To rely on Him for our strength?  A great example of how we should conduct ourselves in battle comes from the movie, “Troy”.  After Achilles kills Hector, Priam goes to Achilles to beg for Hector’s body.  Achilles tells Priam he will still be his enemy in the morning.  Priam responds by telling Achilles, he was still his enemy tonight but even enemies can show respect for each other.  If both sides give in to base instincts during war, where do the atrocities stop?  Examining history will show you what happens when both sides fail to set limits and respect your enemies even in death.  Be a man, rise above the base instincts, take full responsibilities for your actions!  BE A MAN!  Face our enemies, bring them to justice, defeat them in battle.  Respect them in battle and in death.  Respect does not imply what the wimps of this nation think it does.  They are our enemies and we need to meet them in battle not hold their hands and pander to them.  Bury their bodies in a mass grave for the purpose of controlling diseases.  But to urinate on their bodies is plain and simply wrong.  The attitude “well they did it to us so we can do it back” is an attitude of an elementary child out on the school playground.  Our soldiers are no longer children, they are men.  Be men!  

Don’t agree with what the Marines did, but don’t believe they should be punished beyond a reprimand. Instead, it should be official American policy to bury enemy combatants with a dead pig. We are at war with Muslim terrorists. Anything we do that is less than a full effort to win this war and stop the killing is murdering our own men and women and is intolerable. These Muslims believe that such desecration of their bodies condemns them to hell forever, and we should use that superstition to our advantage. We can use their idiotic religion to put fear in them so that we can stop them from murdering us. And, if their religion happens to be true (har har har) we would also be defeating their vile and despicable pig-god.

Why is it so bad about these soldiers peeing on the enemy when they castrate our soldiers stuff it in the mouth sew up the mouth and while they are still alive drag our soldiers by thier feet until the head falls off. Then they continue until the arms fall off. Then they continue until the torso is shreaded. They do stop and pick up the pieces for display on the vehicle which is dragging our soldiers. Is that more OK than peeing on dead bodies? These stories should be told to the American public so everyone will know what we are facing. The PUBLIC can’t handle the real truth only thier make believe truth. 

I have said since the beginning of this war… If you want to have them surrender, slaughter several hundred pigs and paint all of the ammo with pig blood. They would give up NOW.

Next-Most of you dont realize how severe “Conduct unbecoming of a soldier” is. It is the worst punishment before criminal charges. Soldiers lose stripes over it. Demotion. Going from having rank to being a peon (pardon the unintended pun) Like going from a supervisor to being an employee. You and the company have made it public that you may be a problem. What was done was not criminal. Tasteless? Vulgar? Reprehensible? Sure. The offenders need to be given the article 15 and sat out long enough to regain their perspective.

“In other words, in other words, if you’re in the world and you are actively trying to change the world, you’re going to make mistakes.”thus; in other words, if your in the owrld and you are not actively trying to change the world, you’re going to be perfect. 
Absolutism what a joke

What the video didn’t show: dead terrorist was actually on fire from tracer rounds…..
Marines being short on water did the only thing they could to extinguish the fire…….
This whole thing is blown out of proportion….. they desecrate our war dead and no big deal…..
but someone tinkles on one of theirs and its the inquisition!

I served in the Marines in Vietnam I was there only a couple of days, and we had a mortar attack at night and then the sappers came though the wire with satchel charges strapped all over there bodies. The hole to my right took a direct hit from a mortar round, and killed the first Marine that would actually talk to me because I was a new guy, and we became friends. Several sappers came through the wire, two holes to my left and two guys were wounded from concussion grenades. Two of us were ordered to check the ammunition dump that was directly behind my hole. The ammunition was piled ten feet high we walked through the corridors of ammunition very scared, they missed the dump. But some of them got through to the CP an blew up the medical tent. The next morning a couple of us went to see if we could help out at  the CP, There were some bodies laying around and I saw a Marine shoveling what looked like tar into a body bag where the hospital tent was. We went back to our holes and one of the sappers bodies was being dragged up to the latrine which was a hole with a box over it. One guy flipped the box over and the sapper was thrown in the hole at that point we all stood around the hole and pissed on the guy, it just seemed like the right thing to do at the time. This was only the beginning for me it got much harder. My company suffered almost 300% causalities in my 13 months, just about everyone had purple hearts including myself. When I came home things were OK as long as you didn’t mention serving your country. Then in 1989, I had a break down and that incident came back as guilt along with a lot of other things from Vietnam, Now I’m 100 % disabled vet with PTSD. How dare people criticize these Marines, They have to live with every moment of combat for the rest of there lives. Every politician that even mentions this in the media should be voted out of office their the scum of the earth. There is a price to pay when these fools send people off to war and they rarely pay that price, They think they can just shoot their mouths off, and be high and mighty with the people that are giving them there freedoms. This is not a political game, real lives are going to be ruined because they want to make some kind of political example of these Marines, war is not just a game. I don’t know what’s happening to our country, This surely stinks. 

Stress of war is damaging but to fight an enemy who is afraid to stand up and fight but rather leaves bombs on the roadside and uses fanatics to blow themselves up, along with fighting for a government that restricts the rules of engagement to the point of being suicide for our troops, and an enemy who doesn’t think twice about beheading you and posting on the internet for all to see, i understand our soldiers

I think our citizens and the press should not publicize the guy that took the picture of his “supposed” buddies. Terrorists can drag the bodies of live or dead soldiers publicly through streets and enemy combatants can behead their enermies, our Marines after a battle get reprimanded and humiliated for this. Come on folks get real.
They have been humiliated already. do you really want to ruin their careers over this supposedly private moment?

I am also a vietnam vet and we were branded as women/children killers – they killed you just as dead, which they did many times, as any male communist.  NO media should be allowed in a war zone!

He already has.

This is for Obama, right? For HIM to apologize to The Corp and our country and NEVER, EVER apologize to the enemy or people who support our enemy.

Send those Marines to bed without their supper, put a letter in their files, confiscate their cameras…but hell don’t ruin their careers or career prospects for this. Times are tough. They will have problems enough when they come home and are discharged. What happens in combat, stays in combat.

I would give the four marines medals for their action, but KP for the videographer.

Heaven help us if we had had anti-American  reporters with our troops during WWII.  I can assure you that the Greatest Generation did at least as much to German, Itralian and Japanese dead as did these Marines. 

I understand that these Marines had just lost several of their compatriots to enemy fire.  I can only assume that emotions were running high, and they were probably not  pro Taliban emotions.  And these Marines were in a combat situation, not in a dress parade in Washington, DC.  Probably their emotions and having lost compatriots to enemy fire, led them to just say, “P*SS ON THEM!”

I would suggest to wrap those zombies in pig’s skin to kill
their expectation to meet 72 virgins.

 

Those politically correct office desk’s soldiers wanted to turn
our real soldier into “Swine Lake” ballet prima’s. Bastards.

YOU PEE FOR ME, MARINE

You pee for us all, Marine.

 

This has to do with the video that popped up yesterday. It’s 40
seconds, and it shows four Marines  standing above the bodies of some dead
Taliban.

Peeing on them.

 

“Have a great day, buddy,” one of the Marines says to the corpse
at his feet.

 

Let’s review.

America is at war with militant Islam. In Afghanistan, the Taliban
is militant Islam. In Afghanistan, the Taliban gave refuge and support to Al
Qaeda as it prepared the attacks of September 11. In Afghanistan, the Taliban
works around the clock to put American servicemen in their graves.

The Taliban is the bad guys.

And the United States Marines  are the good guys.

And this is much ado about nothing.

Because the brass are crapping their pants.

 

“This is egregious, disgusting behavior,” said Pentagon spokesman
Capt. John Kirby. “It turned my stomach.”

Kirby’s branch of the service is not listed, but I’m guessing it’s
Girl Scouts.

It turned  his stomach?

We are a nation at war. We’ve had thousands of Americans die.
We’ve brought hundreds of thousands home with losses of limb and mind, and THIS
turns his stomach?

That’s not exactly a warrior spirit.

And it makes you wish that men like those urinating Marines were
running this operation.

But they are not.

And they will be crucified.

Because our military establishment specializes in throwing young
GIs under the bus. Any number of desk jockeys and political generals are glad
to backstab as many warriors as they can. In the White House and at the
Pentagon, the god of political correctness is fed with the frequent sacrifice
of young soldiers’  careers.

 

You send people to war, but heaven help them if they act like it.
Hamstrung by Marquis of Queensbury rules in a bar fight with savages, our GIs
are attacked by enemy fighters on one side and government lawyers on the other.

It’s a funny game where no one has their back.

 

Except the American people.

 

Which gets me back to my  point.

You pee for us all, Marine.

That group of Camp Lejeune snipers is condemned by the political
generals, but embraced by the American people.

Because that’s what you get when you screw with the United States
of America. You get a bullet through the brainpan, and we’re going to line up
to spit on the pieces.

 

Unless we have a full bladder.

 

And show the YouTube far and wide, as a  warning to your
pals. This is what it means to mess with America. The pantywaists in the
Pentagon might want to win your hearts and minds, but the men pulling the
triggers want to snap your freaking necks.

 

And some 310 million real Americans feel the same way. Mess with
the best, die like the rest. The sooner the better, the more the merrier, and
don’t be surprised if it’s not holy water you get sprinkled with.

 

Real people aren’t bothered by this.

 

Real people believe this is how war should be fought.

 

Real people think that we’ve pussyfooted around long enough, it’s
time to make the rubble bounce. Pull the B52s out of the barn and let’s light
those mo-fos up.

 

And real people are sick and tired of the feigned indignation
coming out of the Pentagon and White House. Life is not group therapy and war
is not run by “Robert Rules of Order.” 

War is where you kill people and break the will of a society.

War is where you make the other guy cry “Uncle.”

Ask the people of Hiroshima and Dresden.

Or Atlanta, for that matter.

 

You attack the United States and you die. You die ugly. There are
only two sure winners – us and the maggots. And any people, nation or religion
that can’t stand that  heat should stay the hell out of the kitchen.

 

So if you don’t want to be blown to bits and pieces, and pissed on
by fine examples of American manhood, then you better stay home with mama. You
better lay off the jihad. You better learn some manners and mind your Ps and
Qs.

 

Because Lady Liberty is shaking her fist.  And that’s not
just some words in a song.  That’s our pledge.

 

We’re going to kill you, and we’re going to cheer the men who do
it.

 

And the rest of you goat-bearded savages better shake in your
sandals, because those Marines pee for us.

And they’re coming for you next.

 

- by Bob Lonsberry © 2012 

 

Spread the word guys.

Well said. Thanks for your service, Joe. Hope the nightmares end for you and you find peace.

Ok, David Barton definitely needs to get his own show on GBTV. Would that be awesome or what? Who’s with me?

I am so angered over the huge thing our liberal media has made of this incident.  Why was this this even released to the media?  I have a son serving in Afghanistan right now and the release of this only makes it worse for them, the media even admittted that!!  It has just fueled more anger toward our country and of course our soldiers serving there.  THIS IS WAR!!  These were TALIBAN soldiers, the ones who are behind all the terroist acts including of course 911!!  I am a conservative Christian and don’t condone what they did, much less taping it but come on, our soldiers are under such duress constantly being in a war zone.  These soldiers were trained to kill the enemy and then are they supposed to respect them after they just did what they were supposed to??  This is my son’s third deployment and I did not find out until he was back two years that he had experience PTSD for months.  He said it doesn’t matter what your job is over there, you are CONSTANTLY under stress not knowing from one moment to another whether you are going to live or die.   

It is illegal in this country to abuse a corpse. Should we lower ourselves to the level of other nations who maybe used urination as a means of torture or used castration and skinning on soldiers? Americans as well as their military must rise above such urges of revenge and just do their jobs. They may be our enemy, but we are better than that & should prove it with our actions.

The only real mistake these men made was not keeping there  actions to them selves.

Sorry Lynnette you and Glenn are wrong… please talk to those who been in the S%&t … really in it… there is a communication that goes between enemies… it is important to make a point … your enemy knows there is no honor only intimidation.. this ain’t Hollywood baby!

absolutely agree! there a little communication going on for Telly the Tali Ban.. Telly disfigures our guys we piss on theirs .. it is pretty simple..

War is war and don’t make an issue from nothing. We all have moments in our life that we are not proud about but more important to admit it and go forward as a normal human. 

I’m of mixed feelings on this.  From what ”the enemy” has done to our military in the way of

torture and unspeakable acts after they’re dead, I can fully understand the way the Marines

acted—I probably would have done something in like manner.  On the other hand, from what

was said by Beck re: Washington—military discipline has to be maintained.  There are codes

of conduct, yes?  Difficult to adhere to, but they must be followed.

George Washington? Really? Glenn come on… George Washington wasn’t dealing with 7th Century barbarians who strap bombs to retarded children and blow up wedding parties.. As great as George was I don’t think he ever had to deal with this kind of insurgency…even the indigenous natives he fought were more civilized than the Tali Ban.

Message to EZ Joe;  THANKS for your service.  Ive never understood how men in offices miles from the front could make decisions and direct the fighting.  Its just like abortions, if they would just show on national television how cruel and wicked abortions are…there would be NO MORE.

This  is too bad about the poor marines who where caught urinnating on the dead ememies,of our country the USA, But at least we don’t chop their damn heads off   and parade  boys around town like the damn circus was in town with no respect for our American Soldier, This social justice is a jokel. And the way our government handles this is disguisting,,,,,,,,,,,,,,myself
give the mariens a ticker tape parade, And welcome them home as the REAL HEROS THEY ARE.. Just wish people would not be so politically correct ..
Say what you mean and mean what you sayl

ADub
 

Well said, Vera!

Much ado about nothing!  This is as bad as the mus lims complaining about the Marines flatulence.  Yet, they have some very disturbable traits themselves.  So, slap the troops wrists and be done with this nonsense.  Wash. D.C….Who’s side are you on, anyway?

Chris, recording their act was the second worst thing.  The worst thing was posting it—

whether on their own Facebook (or whatever) or sending it to a friend or family member

who turned around and put in on YouTube or something like that.  Moral: DON’T put

ANYTHING on a social media that you don’t want anyone else to see but the receiver.

It will find a way to come back and haunt you because it is no longer ”private.”

What would the attitude have been if the soldiers that were peed on were Americans?  Oh, they were just expressing their freedom of speech!

I can’t really bring myself to be too angry at the Marines(if it really was them that did it and not some jerks trying to get our boys in trouble again), though I can’t necessarily condone it, either.  I am the daughter of a Vietnam veteran and sister of a First Gulf War veteran and have a fairly good understanding of the horrors of war, though I’m pretty sure my dad in particular tamed things down for me.  Fact is, alQaeda and the Taliban are soulless, vicious murderers whom I personally think get off on being as sadistic as possible to our people.  What our soldiers have done is mickey mouse in comparison.  And the govt.STILL wants to cut the defense budget??  Maybe we should throw them in there to fight in these abysmal situations.  Till they do I’d rather they just say “thank you” and then butt out and let them do their job!

Amen to that, Ryan.

“Trader”,  I see you recognize what the LSM consider newsworthy stories.  And which

to ”praise” and which to condemn.     Re: the abortions—but it’s the ”woman’s right to

choose,” my dear.  Even if that right brings me to tears.

James, D.C. can probably hear their laughter/cheering coming all the way from

Afghanistan. 

God bless you, ”joe” and all who have served and are now serving our country.   But,

especially those who served in Vietnam.  I remember the shabby treatment they rec’d

by those they ”fought to protect.”   I sincerely hope that those who acted in such a way

 have long since repented of the manner in which they treated those returning. 

Take care of yourself, joe.

Glenn’s comment that he “disagrees with the last line” in reference to “war is hell.”, which is the last line.  Well, I can only assume that being shot at by the Taliban is similar to being shot at by the NVA (North Vietnamese Army), which I DID experience.

When you get over the shakes, realizing the you did, in fact, live through the mortars, you can DEFINITELY say that “war is hell.”  And if you think I wasn’t mad enough to want to shoot back at those that were shooting at me, then obviously there is no way I can explain to you the feeling.

Urinating on the dead that were just recently shooting at you was their reaction.  Me, I’d probably have been emptying clip after clip into their carcasses, and someone would have had to disarm me for killing the dead - but I would have been too mad to pee, if I hadn’t done so already!

Whether Glenn agrees with the statement or not is immaterial:  Those who have lived through such an experience know the truth:  War IS hell.  Been there, done that, and wouldn’t wish the experience on anyone!

This Administration is out to destroy our Military and ultimately our country.  These Military men that video taped them urinating on the dead Taliban that they killed in battle is nothing compared to the way the Taliban cut the heads off of the innocent men that the Taliban captured.

It’s easy to sit in your home and condemn those military men for their actions, however unless you have worn their shoes and understand what they went through and are going through in combat, I believe that it is wrong to judge them for their actions.

I notice that you sign off as “The Turban Torpedo”.  Did you know that the turban is made up of a folded small sheet?  It is a very good reason to refer to the turban wearer as a “sheet head”.

Well said!!!!

Finally, someone who wants equal justice!!!

If he only got 30 days kitchen police, he got off light!  I would have had him dishonorably discharged for bringing defamation to the Corps.

The focus might be on the living, but the surviving still has its adrenaline.  Unless you have experienced the situation of being shot at and surviving, you have no idea of the amount of adrenaline in your system, and it is dispursed usually in behavior that is socially unacceptable, especially by today’s “standards” (quoted because I believe that standards of today are whimsical at best).

Remember that before you chide your brother for having a speck in his eye, be sure yours are clear first.

Exactly!  The Vietnam conflict was micromanaged by the government; this one is being micromanaged by the media.  Neither organization is capable of managing a battlefield scenario.  That is why you have battlefield commanders.

If you haven’t been there, you would never understand. We send 18-21 years olds out to do our dirty work and then castigate them when the situation overwhelms them. We are always held to standards that are higher than our enemies and when we fail, everyone wants a pound of flesh.
A Marine who was there

First of all not too wise for the marines to have shot video of this event let alone post it. I was stationed with the Marines as a Navy corpsman and every branch of the military does stupid stuff. Oh least we not forget these terrorist were trying to kill the Marines and they got the worse desecration they got shot. War is hell and people do atrocious acts. This is just the left wing and Obama’s camp making a big deal out of nothing.

I’m just going to REMIND THE PEOPLE W/AMNESIA something: REMEMBER Dan PEARL, I bet U do! BEHEADED BY THE TALIBAN & FILMED THIS ATROCITY SO THE WORLD & ESPECIALLY HIS FAMILY COULD REMEMBER WHAT A HORRIFIC DEATH HE HAD! The TALIBAN HAS BLOWN OUR SOLDIERS TO PIECES & TORTURED!!! & Many R still thinking that this act was SO OUTRAGEOUS?! I think this young soldiers have been TRAUMATIZED by seeing many of their own comrades had gone through! Do U know that many of these soldiers R been MEDICATED! So they can deat w/the HORRORS OF WAR??!! Please lets put ourselves in their position for a second, their ESTATE-OF-MIND!!! The Taliban has been “SHITTTING” on AMERICA SINCE 911 & MANY TIMES OVER THAT!!! To have made this PUBLIC is where the problem lies, so those who HATE OUR MILITARY CAN HAVE A BALL W/IT!!! The DIRTY POLITICS INVOLVED SHOULD BE OUR WORRIES & OUR DISGUST!!! I have NEVER seen
such MAJORITY to SIDE W/THE ENEMY AS WE R SEEN TODAY!!!

So far, I have not heard anyone say how bad it was of the taliban to behead a live person and put the tape out for the whole world to see. BEHEAD A LIVE PERSON???? Makes pissing on a few corpses seem trivial doesn’t it? Having said that, I do wish they would have had the intelligence not to record it. And for all you “bleeding heart no clue liberals” that have not seen the video I am referring to, please make youself watch the whole thing and then come back and tell me how bad the pissing episode was. Nuff said

  WTF is America in Afganistan ‘at this time for anyways’……..?
ah’ keeps pollies’ factories suport ect busy at home (‘in U.S.)  I suppose.

 What a waste of lives & limbs & character being in that ‘Sheizenhole (Afgn’.)………when will they ever learn…………polititions start wars!
                                                       
              vote    2 O 1 2  AMERICA  ……’ keep the bastards honest’!!
                                                                                                          Mutslie

The only mistake was making a video and publishing it.  No one raised hell when our boys were roped to trucks and drug through the streets, raw and bleeding and being urinated on or cutting off the head of a correspondent and showing it to everyone.  I still haven’t gotten over that.

I agree with Alan West.  Not the best thing that they did, even dumber to have it taped.  Whoever posted it not too bright.  Have to agree with Stu, hope it doesn’t cause more grief for others still in Afghanistan.  Hope the media doesn’t keep up their usual stupidity in blowing up a relatively minor event. 

Actually, this kind of battlefield behavior can help bring peace and save lives by discouraging Muslim terrorism just as the Hiroshima bomb saved far more lives, Japanese and American, than would have been lost had the war continued. General Pershing broke the Muslim rebellion in the Philippines by burying the dead with pigs. (Some say bullets were dipped in pig’s blood as well.) It was thought to be a rumor, but it’s in his autobiography at the National Archives. Jim Lacey quoted it in his new Pershing biography in the MacMillan Great Generals series on page 66:

“These juramentado attacks were materially reduced in number by a practice the army had already adopted, one that the Mohammedans held in abhorrence. The bodies were publicly buried in the same grave with a dead pig. It was not pleasant to have to take such measures but the prospect of going to hell instead of heaven sometimes deterred the would-be assassins.”

The point here is not desecrating Muslims, but rather in war, victory is supposed to come first, our people are supposed to come first, not the enemy. Whatever can be done to bring victory saves lives on both sides. We have all seen the horrible things the Taliban and al-Qaeda do to infidels, living and dead, but there is no shock in the media over that because we know they are like that, and so it’s not news.

Pershing also had this interesting commentary on Muslims on page 35: 

“The Moro is of a peculiar make-up as to character, though the reason is plain when considered, first, that he is a savage; second that he is a Malay; and third, that he is a Mohammedan. The almost infinite combination of superstitions, prejudices and suspicions blended into his character make him a difficult person to handle until finally understood. In order to control him other than by brute force, one must first win his implicit confidence, nor is this as difficult as it would seem; but once accomplished one can accordingly by patient and continuous effort, largely guide and direct his thoughts and actions. He is jealous of his religion, but he knows very little of its teachings. The observance of a few rites and rituals is about all that is required to satisfy him that he is a good Mohammedan.”

To tell you the truth…I don’t really care…piss on all dead Taliban

I see the U.S. Military is still ‘Waterboarding’ the enemy. I agree it is much safer to kill them first. Good job guys and next time give them a couple shakes for me.
P.S. Thank you for all you have sacrificed and keep in mind that 73% of Liberals complaining right now are just jealous because they enjoy golden showers. (and tea-bagging each other)

I agree with the recommended punishment related in Glen’s article below. There should be no legal action taken other than that. What the marines did was wrong, but being a combat veteran myself and knowing and seeing what the enemy has done and is doing to us I can understand their frustration.
That being said, we as Americans must always take the higher ground even though the enemy very often has and will not follow the so called “laws of modern warfare”. Remember this…, we are fighting against an enemy that has the mindset of a thirteenth century warrior not a twentieth century one. For the enemy there are no rules in war.
SFC (Ret.) Daniel J. Stamaris Jr.(Former P.O.W. in Iraq during the first Gulf War (Desert Storm) abandoned twice, beaten and otherwise miss-treated by the enemy. – Some of my fellow P.O.W.s were treated much worse than I.)
P.S. Just look at how American prisoners and even our dead have been treated by the enemy in our most recent wars or conflicts (Iraq, Somalia, Vietnam, etc.) of the twentieth and twenty-first century. WAR IS HELL and is not a touchy-feely endeavor.

What the Marines ought to do is march on the White House and piss on their corpses!

What is dispicable is the fact that terrorists cut off Ron Pealman’s head and video taped it and put it on the internet.  Somehow, I don’t see that urinating on a dead body of a terrorist is dispicable.  The terrorists dragging our dead soldier’s bodies through the streets and then setting them on fire, but we can’t pea on them?  Ridiculous.  They should have poured pig blood on them instead of urinating.

The only reason that Desert Storm War was won was that the General refused to allow the liberal progressive news medias  into the war zone.  The news is the Enemy of the State, they offer inside information to our enemies, telll them in advance where our soldiers are going to be…they should be up on charges of treason.

I think the only punishment should be a good talking too and suspended duty for 2 weeks, perhaps in Hawaii.

David Barton put it in the right perspective.  I hate what other nations do to our men when captured.  Remember the Baton march in WWII – brutal treatment of our men.  In Vietnam the VC would cut American genitals off and stuff them in their mouth while hung from a tree.  We don’t hear much about how our troops are degraded, just how we degrade (seldom happens).  But we are held to a higher standard, because we are FREE, NOT because the news media holds us to it.  There is NEVER an outrage in our news over the atrocities of our men being gutted and beheaded, Berg being beheaded by Zarkawie (not spelled right I know – sorry for degrading his name), and those dragged through the streets of Mogadishu.  It’s reported as though we really deserve this type of treatment.

To me the real problem is our liberal citizens who won’t fight for anything except what brings them personal gain.  That is, who want the government to take care of all the “under priveleged”.  There are a lot of them in this country. 

I love our USA.  I was at the 8/28 Beck gathering in DC and no one mainstream media outlet (NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC ETC) reported on NOT ONE piece of paper was left on our nation’s sacred grounds.  THAT’s the real problem in America. 

What are you talking about? What about the famous footage from CNN of the bombing of Baghdad?

Lynnette, I am ex military and I do not remember any mention that pissing on the body of an enemy that, five minutes earlier was trying to kill you, was considered “conduct unbecoming”. I am not for one second saying that it was an honorable thing.  But, I disagree with Allen West and Glen that they should be punished with something that will be permanent on their records.  They should have been given a verbal reprehend and instructed never to do that again.  The Taliban are not honorable fighters to be treated with reverence as the Obama media would advocate.  However I do think, that the next time a CNN reporter sticks a microphone in their face, they should piss on them.

The bombing of Bagdad was taken from the hotels close by, but the news medias werenot allowed into the fields where the soldiers were fighting. That was a good thing. Iknow because my husband was over there. Subject: [glennbeck] Re: Glenn, David Barton weigh in on Tinkle-gate

I liked what Newt said about this issue; but it’s Ok though, to parade Danny Pearls head to the world?

PISS ON ALL ISLAMIC PIGS!

The video of these marines was not filmed by anyone in the news media. And even if it was, it doesn’t excuse what the Marines did.

I totally agree with your assesment.  I would probably want to do something worst, seeing a buddy get blown up or almost losing your life can at that moment make you at that moment want to do things you wouldn’t normally do.  They are not robots, they are human beings, no matter how much training you get, your emotions are still there, isn’t this better than having our troopos commit suicide?  I’d say, piss on them, if it mean saving lives of our own.

The fuss is degrading to the Marine Corps. Yes, they need to apologize but this incident is so much milder than the atrocities commited by the Taliban it isn’t even rational to make such a fuss. Uphold our troops and put this incident in perspective, please.

OOH RAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Semper Fi

CNN and MSNBC ran this story non-stop when it broke. Throughout the history of the world, autrocities and despicable acts have been committed during wartime. This isn’t one of them. LTC West got it right. Now we’ll see if the Marine Corps over-reacts as a result of the left wing media blitz.

I don’t even think a “Field Grade Article-15″ is warranted. Maybe a “Summarized Article-15″ which is less severe and, that’s only because they posted the video. I have been in combat and I have seen what these, so called, Jihadists have done, not only to US Troops but, to their own people. They are barbarians and do not even comprehend “honor”. They are scum and I have no compassion or sympathy for them in the least. Urinating on dead Taliban terrorists, in my opinion, is not even morally wrong. The statement “war is hell” is correct and the way to achieve victory over your enemy is to inflict more hell upon him than he is willing to endure. You have to beat him down both physically and mentally in order to win. These people think that if they die for their cause, they will be rewarded in paradise. We have to take that dulusion away from them. If I were the “King”, I would take all of their dead, add an equal number of dead pigs, load them up in a helicopter, fly over their camps and villages and run them a wood chipper spewing the remains all over the ones who would come to attack us next.

Please tell me why it was neccessary to actually put the exact Marine Division and location????
The enemy were so lucky after   Navy Seal Team 6 was Identified ..they took out one of 3 choppers containing 20 more…so it was reported….so now …we name again not just several Marines but…where they are from…????
What part of WAR declared or not do people not understand???…Beheadings ok urination not
Beheadings no penalty…urination…crucification????
Letter of reprimand…..and if the news feels the need to give locations….give your own!!!!!
Our service members go where they are told…do what we could never…see what is unimaginable….put things in perspective!!!!!
papa,pa

Remember our outrage in 2004 when the bodies of the contractors who were killed in Fallujah were burned, hung from a bridge, and dragged along the ground?  Was that right?  Urinating on a dead body does not rise to anything near the level of a Taliban or al Qaeda decapitation, but it is just as wrong as what that crowd did at Fallujah.  (BTW, I was just down the road in Baghdad when that went down.  And I saw the black cloud rising from the burning fuel trucks when that Army convoy was ambushed on Good Friday 2004 and that poor soldier was abducted and later executed.)

This is exactly what I think.  I cannot believe that things like urinating on dead enemies does not happen all the time.  Recording it is another thing.  I agree that the recorder needs to be punished and maybe we won’t no about that particular punishment if you get my drift.

I agree with Otto.  Why is it that everyone is making such a big deal over this trivial little problem.  It’s like the message out there is:  “it’s okay to kill the enemy”, just don’t pee on them.  While it’s wrong to desecrate a body, NO ONE said one word when some of our U.S. soldiers bodies were desecrated, i.e. one U.S. soldier was killed, then hung from a tree.  Years ago, I saw on the news where one of our U.S. soldiers was killed, then dragged through the streets naked, (I can’t remember the country), but was probably Iraq,  and NO ONE said one word about it!!!!  While I know that Marines have a Code of Ethics, and a Code of Honor, to follow, it seems that everyone, mostly the bleeding heart liberals, have got plenty to say about it.  And now, these same Marines, are going to have to pay a hefty price for lack of judgment, for this trivial offense.  Honestly, I think they should be reprimanded only, and nothing else.  As Glenn says, “War is Hell”, and it’s time for the masses to sit down and shut-up.  Kudos to you Otto, for your message, I agree with you.

I agree with Otto.  Why is it that everyone is making such a big deal over this trivial little problem.  It’s like the message out there is:  “it’s okay to kill the enemy”, just don’t pee on them.  While it’s wrong to desecrate a body, NO ONE said one word when some of our U.S. soldiers bodies were desecrated, i.e. one U.S. soldier was killed, then hung from a tree.  Years ago, I saw on the news where one of our U.S. soldiers was killed, then dragged through the streets naked, (I can’t remember the country), but was probably Iraq,  and NO ONE said one word about it!!!!  While I know that Marines have a Code of Ethics, and a Code of Honor, to follow, it seems that everyone, mostly the bleeding heart liberals, have got plenty to say about it.  And now, these same Marines, are going to have to pay a hefty price for lack of judgment, for this trivial offense.  Honestly, I think they should be reprimanded only, and nothing else.  As Glenn says, “War is Hell”, and it’s time for the masses to sit down and shut-up.  Kudos to you Otto, for your message, I agree with you.

urinating on dead bodies was just as wrong?? You lost me!!

We didn’t win our war for independence playing nicey nicey ,and these cowards are doing anything and everything to kill and take over the world they have said so !! Pissing on them is only ONE expression of what we need to do about STOPPING THESE animals !!!

It’s not the action of a professional Marine or soldier. If we wanted an undisciplined, ruthless, immoral fighting force, we could arm our worst criminals and send them overseas. I’d rather have people with better character representing our country overseas.

Who said beheading is okay?

First, urinating on corpses is probably a crime.  Most states have laws prohibiting abuse of corpses by committing acts which would reasonably offend family or community sensibilities. See Ohio Revised Code 2927.01.  In Ohio, it can be a felony. I can’t imagine the military not having some similar law codified within military jurisprudence.  But basically,  I agree with the David Barton approach in which he explained it from a biblical/historical standard.  It is wrong; it offends sensibilities which God built in to our consciences.  Because others choose to react like animals doesn’t mean we do it back.  Our troops must be trained to let God exact His wrath on whom He decides to exercise it upon.  The troops have a job to do, which I appreciate immensely, but behave like better humans than our enemies have revealed they are.

Peeing on the enemy seems rather trivial, in comparison to what the enemy has done to our U.S. soldiers and other Americans like journalist Daniel Pearl in 2002, who got a knife plunged into his throat, and his head cut off, while these islamic barbarians taped it and put in on YouTube. 

Then there was Nick Berg, whose body was discovered hanging over an overpass, who was then later beheaded, again on video-tape, as these islamic barbarians chanted “Allah Akbar” (their islamic god), which means in islam – “god is great.”
These people are barbaric animals, so excuse me if I don’t get upset that our guys peed on some dead muslims.  I do not condone desecrating a body, however; it is nothing in comparison to what has been done to Americans.  Our guys are going through hell over there, and because of lack of judgment, they are going to be punished.  Nothing more than a reprimand should be given to these guys. 

Has there be an indepth review and dismantling of the video tape to determine if in fact it is real and has not been the result of some “manipulation”.  I find it hard to believe that it now surfaces after several months.  I find it hard to believe that it was videotaped by an individual when war regulations prohibit the use of cameras and videotape by individuals.  (This from my father who was in the Korean war).

I am a Vietnam Vet and has Glen Beck and the rest of the “Do GOODIES, Draft Dodgers does not know what its like to be in war and have live ammo coming in  on you or watching the Vitnam  or Cambodian Infantry stab our wounded in the back to make sure their dead.  OR watch the Vietnam and the Muslim Rag Heads Dehead our solders and civilians.  The news media and the crying Liberals can kiss my ASS!   WAR  IS HELL!!!

The only Marine that should be punished is the dumb sh*t that took the pictures, and then let them get out. There have been so many worse things done in history that it is hard to believe anyone is remotely bothered by this. I agree that unless you have been in up close and personnel warfare, don’t make judgements about things you know nothing about. And finally, as far as the Muslims being upset about the dessicration of bodies, who cares what they think? I can’t remember any loud cries from the Muslim community when our dead soldiers were being dragged through the streets.

The real problem is that some weasel decided to seek his 15 minutes of fame and release the video. That’s the most serious violation of consciense there is associated with this video. Now Moe (H. Clinton) and Larry (Panetta) have ratcheted this up in Liberal Indignation. I’m sure Panetta was in the military, on the front lines, not Kerry’s made up armed defense, and I know Hillary was in the military at Elm’s College. I think Hillary learned to wear pants at Elm’s College. One of the big corporate sponsors at Elm’s College is Snap on Tools.

You are dead wrong – it is the action of soldiers and Marines. Enlist, go to war and learn about the real world.

I don’t care if the muslim terrorist are alive or dead ,, I say piss on them all ,,,,,,,,,,,,

I say  piss on the asshole  who gave the tape to the press ,,,,,

Airborne Brother!!!

Wow, Glenn, if you read this, please know that I am VERY GRATEFUL that you brought this historian on your show today, to give us some additional, fascinating factual background on the Revolutionary and also Civil Wars.  I am a college professor but remember very little about US history any more, and so it’s terrific to hear some not-so-well-known details showing how truly devout and principled a man George Washington was.  Much obliged!

I disagree with you, Glenn.  I was in Viet Nam in 68-69.  4th Infantry Division.  It has never really been accurately reported about what the VC did to us and how we returned the favor.  This is a ridiculous situation that the media has created.  Pissing on a dead body is no big thing in the world of war.  It’s not like they were pumping rounds into them or kicking them until something bad happened.  Our guys were found mutilated beyond belief at the hands of the cong.  This was often done while life was still present.  Jar-heads, leather necks, devil dogs and fire-pissers are some of the names given to the blessed Corp.  Maybe they weren’t pissing at all on these murdering bastards.  I don’t see any fire!!           I am always a defender of our Military Forces, even if they do something that suggests,  ”All’s fair in love and war”    

Roger that.

Hey,Clare!  What about the subject at hand?  You afraid to enter a position or would you rather play kissy-kissy with the wrong-headed Glenn on this one??

So what was in-human here, Howard Reed?.  They just killed these guys or taking a leak in their direction??  What would God say, since you call yourself Gos’s conscience?

Howard Reed, I hope you know what you can do with your “shame on us”??  Put your turban torpedo in the same place, how ’bout it? 

Last night on the FOX debates Perry said it the best…paraphrasing: The marines were wrong and need to be disciplined, of course…but compared to the terrorists cutting off the heads of innocent people and parading them in the streets and on the news to the world, gleefully…this incident pales horrifically so.

BaaaaaaaaaLoooooooooNeeeeeeeeeeee!!  It is so obvious that you do not have any idea about what really goes on in war. Venting and relief of tension comes in many ways.  They may kill someone, but don’t dare take a leak on them.  What an oxymoron.  In your case, Lynette, I drop the oxy!!

If we do that, we’re no better than they are.

 They should have been injected with pigs blood buried with a pig carcass facing away from Mecca instead of making them Martyrs.

It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will
not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies
but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know
your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.
Sun Tzu

 Indeed its the media and politicians losing war not our soldiers…back off and let them do their jobs. Gerldo got on live T.V. and drew maps of our troop positions. How are we to fight a war when the media are anti war activist who don’t care how many of our troops they get killed. Remember how they had a daily body count of our soldiers on the news when Bush was president but it stopped when Obozo became impostor in chief. they demoralize our troops just to score political points and its wrong. They should shoot the journalist as traitors.

If you must fire, DO A GOOD JOB. A few casualties become martyrs; a large number becomes an object lesson.
-FEDERAL TROOPS IN DOMESTIC DISTURBANCES 1932 By Major George S. Patton, Jr., Cavalry

Mr. Beck:

Why do you and your fellow talk show hosts feel like you always have to provide your listeners with your opinion on matters such as this?  Seems to me that if you can’t support or do not agree with our fellow Marines in this case, why couldn’t you just zip it for once?  Nope, you have to make a big deal of it with your personal observation and opinion.  Whether you realize it or not, there are times when we don’t want to know your opinion on some issues.  Please know I am a big fan and frequent listener of yours, but I must admit I am quickly becoming disenchanted with you and your radio co-partners (Stu, Pat, etc.) with the silliness and unnecessary rhetoric that ensues during your daytime radio talk show.   For me, I would appreciate you keeping to the point and sharing information to your many listeners that is pertinent and positive and serious.  We are facing trying times and you and others on radio and TV need to keep your presentations on a serious note, for the most part–levity is good when appropriate.  Thanks for allowing me to express my views.  May God continue to bless this country.

It’s not criminal, but it’s inhumane and sadistic behavior!!  Do you think these kids will be normal when they come home?  Do you think they’ll ever be able to integrate back into society after doing such abhorrent things??  THIS is exactly the reason why we should end all the wars.  These wars are ruining our youth and GB fails to see this because the Jewish ultra zoinists who grease GB’s pockets make him say what he says.  Don’t play this off like it’s nothing, it’s TERRIBLE!! 

I’m more interested in your so called Military career where you were on a secret mission for 9 years, were an NCO, but quit the Army because you had a “change of heart” and drove a truck but didn’t drive a truck. Please tell me, what was Dallas? How much did your PA weigh? Where did you go to college? How many Iraqi children play volley ball?

Why do you hate the Jews?

The difference between the Marines and the Taliban?

The Marines were Pissed off,
The Taliban were Pissd on.

Which would you rather be pissed off or pissed on?

Neither, you moron. You reek of giggle fits. This is no joke. And it’s not limited to moral aspects. It has the potential to fuel future hatred toward the US, to promote terrorist attacks against us, domestic and foreign. But to you it’s just a joke.

BS..how often do our guys hack off heads then hang the bodies up for all to see…these people are 7th century animals…I would bet my last dollar you have NEVER served….Your a paulbot..

I think everyone is missing the point.  The Islamist think that they will go to Heaven and 72 virgins if they are killed fighting for Islam. However if their body is desecrated their soul cannot enter heaven.  (This is why Saddam Hussein kept the bodies of his victims in plastic bags in warehouses).  If the military were to make it their policy to desecrate any Taliban bodies that they recover the Taliban fighters would not be so ready to go to their death because they would know that they would never enter heaven.

Can you say General Pershing…..

He’s a paulbot…of course he hates the Jews….

Sorry we could do nothing and they will hate and want to kill US..what about that concept don’t you get….Oh I know…paulbot?…

Fellow readers:

The behavior of the Marines did not only offend their own standard of decorum, but they offend their God.

God has prepared bodies for His spirit children to live in. Those bodies, created in His very image, are His masterpiece and are regarded as a temple for His spirit children to dwell. Regardless of the behavior of the souls whom occupied those bodies, which was satanic at best, the bodies God created for them remain sacred.

Desecrating them in a causual or an uncouth fashion is a sin before God. “Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord” as the scriptures tell us. It is not for us to take upon ourselves only that, that the Lord our God has judgement upon.

The Marines in this case may be reprimanded, but justice will come when they face their creator.

Based on your premise – why not bury their bodies with pigs. Take THAT picture and float it through press and simply announce that any who is killed in battle with the US Military will suffer the same burial process.

Being buried with a pig is FAR superior to affect fear in the hearts and minds of Islamic extremists!

The left said Bush ordered Abu Ghraib naked butt pyramids and so forth so I guess Obama ordered the Marines to piss on the Taliban corpses.

Again…
Before pointing out beck’s idiotic statements…
Let me ask…
Can barton (one of the most highly criticized “fake historians” in the world) show me the document where Washington talked about His soldiers urinating on the enemy?  Can barton or beck tell me what Washington personally told them about His feelings on the subject.  Frick No!!! Why?  There is nothing tying Washington to this incident!!! Wow these two are clowns…
Now, down to glenn’s idiotic statements…
1.  glenn said he understands the frustration…his buddies being killed…etc and says he understands their actions…Again, just like you said…you never wanted to, never did and never will be in the military…stop giving your 2 cents on their “feelings”.
2.  If this was a picture of terrorists pissing on the bodies or graves of Americans glenn would be singing a different tune…
3.  Yes, terrorists have filmed similar acts.  Even worse, they have video taped be-headings, etc…That is what makes them terrorists.  American soldiers are not terrorists.  These acts were criminal in the eyes of God and citizens of the world.  Enough Said!!!

For today, and every day you post here, I will post your lies on every comment you make on this site….

Why don’t you just go away you liar and Phony Soldier. Everyone would understand that move on your part. Your hate and ignorance is not winning any converts here. You’re the butt of jokes and ridicule.

Please see a professional about your fixation on little children strtlk/mtclayboy.

You’re a lying sack of crap. You denied serving on a submarine, and knowing what SSBN was. I posted your words verbatim.

You’re a Wikipedia sailor and a lying puke.

Here’s your “one on one” you little puke of a man.

1. As mtclayboy you claimed that you served on a BOOMER. As strtlk you claimed not to know what a Boomer or a SSBN was “I don’t care” were your exact words. You also stated that you didn’t know where Bangor, Wa. was which is where Boomers (submarines) are fitted for duty.
Any real Submariner would know that. You didn’t!

2. You then changed your story and claimed that you were on a BOOMER. You lied.

3. As mtclayboy you claimed that you had damaged your ears while serving on a Submarine. As strtlk, you claimed that you damaged your ears while serving on a submarine.

4. As mtclayboy you claimed that you joined the Navy and served for five years on a submarine but according to the timeline you gave that was proven to be a lie. You lied.

5. As mtclayboy you said that you were a Fireman. As strtlk, you claimed you were a Fireman.

6. As mtclayboy and as strtlk, you posted the same bigotry and hate against Glenn Beck almost word for word even using the same spelling and grammatical errors and focusing on the children. I’ve posted many of them here already.

Are you catching on everyone? He’s a liar plain and simple and nothing he claims can be believed.

Folks, I have the posts of these two Phonies and have posted just a couple to prove he is a liar and just makes up stories about his Military Service. His latest story is right out of Wikipedia. His classified VMS crap is also right out of Wikipedia and US NAVY.mil. I’m a member there.

He wants to take me on “one on one” when he’s already proven in his own words that he’s a liar and a fake.

Flag the idiot so he can come back as another loser like his other fake ID “Vinny” where hes a 10 year Army Sargent on another classified secret mission that he can’t talk about.

There you go loser, “one on one” only I backed up my posts with facts and your own words as proof. Why don’t you have the balls to admit to your lies, tuck your head up your A$$, take your bigotry and hate and Phony Soldier ID and leave us honest people alone?

Once again, Here you are caught in your lies. These are your words verbatim:

strtlk said: on Hollywood elites want to be taxed more 09/24/11 07:51 PM

“1. No idea where Bangor, WA is. I thought Bangor was in Maine!
2. What the heck is a “Boomer” or SSBN? You know what…I don’t care!
3. Reminding people that glenn was a dead beat dad is a factual statement about him, not his innocent children. Nice try though slime ball.
3. Either talk about something relevant and stop this, you are jason bourne crap!”

Caught in your lies strtlk.

Thanks for proving me correct.

Folks, strtlk/mtclayboy has been caught in his lies, He’s a lying sack of crap.

strtik,

Wow, there you go off again.

My father faught in the pacific theater during World War ll. This behavior did happen in that war as well as other’s that my own father spoke to me of.

So forget about bashing Glen or his histoians and how fake they are.

I’m not sure I’ve heard an honest word come out of you. Perhaps you are projecting your own disengeous nature onto everyone else?

I think thou doest protest too much? Or is that over your head?

Even though I believe strongly about not desecrating any body our creator has made, I must applaud your play on words here.

I still think the threat of being buried with a pig, not withstanding the complete irony, would be more threatening to their philosophy and may pose a greater chance of changing their thought process.

Their belief system is so ingrained in them, I’m really not convinced that any kind of truth will affect their choices. But perhaps it’s worth a try and it beats using nuclear power…

strtik,

Perhaps I was a little too harsh with you. I apologize. As I reviewed your post a little more carefully I understand your position better. I’ll try to not jump quite as fast I have with you.

I am an old Vietnam era Marine who saw the real meaning of war and all it’s dirty little secrets and I will tell you as Col. West did, “If you haven’t been there and done that” you need to shut your mouths because you have no idea of what you are talking about, you are just talking to hear yourself talk.
As for Glenn, he should go all out or don’t go at all.  I rarely disagree with Glenn but there should be no “if’s, and”s or but’s about this. These Marines have to have some kind of relief valve or their brains turn to mush. Humans aren’t meant to see and do the things that are done in war and when they do, they need some way to relieve all the pressures of it all.
These Marines were simply activating their relief valves. Once again, if you haven’t been there you don’t know what you are talking about.  There has never been a war where these types of things and “far worse” hasn’t happened, they just didn’t make it to the internet for all to see. There were atrocities that happened in the vietnam war you wouldn’t believe, and I won’t talk about them.
By civilian standards what these Marines did was wrong. By a warriors standards, not so much.  

Billy: Couldn’t have said it better. The marines were bad boys. End of discussion.  Whoever did the camera work needs a cranial rectoflobatamy.

Idiot.Wonder how your attitude might change if you ever grew a set big enough to actually pick up a rifle and fire it in anger. Respond after your first tour, but until then, stop wasting space on the internet.

John Burleson

What West means is this is a matter for the military to deal with.  Everyone is entitled to voice their opinion, but unless you’ve been to war, shut up and quit telling the military what to do about it.  That includes the Traitor in Chief.

The Pentagon pukes that are screaming are the men who have never been in combat and want to make general some day. It’s what made me get out of the military. The brown nosers are the ones who rise to the top.

Semper Fi -

Semper Fi -

Newt Gingrich – “Kill them – then pee on them!”. He’s got my vote.

Maybe they should’ve taken a shit on them instead?

I love the thinking here.

Our troops pissed on dead bodies!!  Answer: War is Hell. Leave them alone.

Our troops cut ears off of dead people and wore them as trophies!!  Answer: War is Hell. Leave them alone.

Is there a line that should be drawn at all? Or should we just let our troops do whatever they wish, whether it be pissing on or mutilating dead bodies?

At what point in war is it O.K. not to be human?

It is difficult to fight an enemy that is so fanatically
radical in their beliefs, who fight with brutal force, without any pity or
moral compass. They recognize no rules of engagement; and have no care for
noncombatants. They are guilty of despicable war crimes, and their goal is to eradicate
all non-Muslim peoples in the world. They believe that if they die in this holy
war that they will instantly be transported to paradise. I firmly believe that
the only way to fight such ideas is with another powerful idea. I would make
shure that they know that we will deny them their reward in heaven by coating
every weapon and round with pigs blood, and when they are captured they should
be executed by firing squad, with the same type of rounds, then buried with pig
offal, as no “unclean thing” may enter into Allah’s presents. I also
believe that we should be using sound military tactics to minimize risk to our
troops. Our current rules of engagement are unbelievably stupid and just plain
wrong. It does no good to be in the right if you are dead right!

I am a 20 year Navy veteran.  My father was in Vietnam in ’63 and ’64.  My son has been in Afghanistan, and is going back.  They agree with my stance.

Our military is expected to act better than this.  Is it fair?  No.  But the actions of a few brings the view of the whole down.  The other stupid part is the fact that they video-recorded the events.  Bad enough that it was done.  The fact that they video-recorded is plain stupid, as well as just plain wrong.  They should be prosicuted to the full extent of the law.

That having been said, if this is the worst thing our military has done, we are still doing better as far as human rights as any other, except maybe Israel.

I think we should bury them with their left hand in their mouths!

King David, and Johnathan cut the foreskins off of hundreds of Philistines…

in iraq & afghanistan, the ARMY has sustained 73.2% of fatalities,usmc 23.3%