Was the 1960s campaign more civil than it is today?

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Was the 1960s campaign more civil than it is today? That’s the question Glenn was asking the audience on radio this morning as he reviewed a report from Paul Wilson and the Media Research Center’s Culture and Media Institute.

In the report posted on TheBlaze, Wilson explains:

During the 1960 presidential campaign, Democratic presidential candidate John F. Kennedy was attacked for his Catholic faith, then viewed by many as subversive and un-American. Anti-Mormon bigots are now targeting Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney for his Mormon beliefs, which are now viewed by many “progressives” as a “transparent and recent fraud.” But in those 50 years, the role of the media has changed significantly.

June 2012 study performed by American National Election Studies (ANES) found that 43 percent of liberals would be “less likely” to vote for a Mormon candidate for religious reasons. An essential point, given how often news outlets highlight Romney’s religion.

In 1960, major media outlets refused to tolerate religious bigotry, characterizing it as “bilge” and calling its practitioners “small-minded and prejudiced persons … not representative of America.” In 2012, supposedly “mainstream” outlets have given opponents of Mormonism a platform to call the church the “Salt Lake City empire of corporate greed,” obsessively labeled Mitt Romney as Mormon, and even engaged in anti-Mormon bigotry themselves. These anti-Mormon voices have been amplified by the liberal echo chamber.

The difference is more than 50 years – the difference is politics. In 1960, media outlets defended Kennedy, who was part of a faith whose members traditionally voted Democratic. In 2012, those same media outlets are attacking Romney, who belongs to a faith whose members typically support conservative causes and vote Republican.

How did the media treat Kennedy differently back in 1960? Glenn read a passage from the New York Times on radio this morning:

As the campaign opens, there will always be in any election and between elections small‑minded and prejudice persons who have a newer rocket compulsion to feel superior to somebody or an urge to blame some racial or minority group for their own individual failures or misfortunes.  But these people are not representative of America.  They have rarely determined elections in the past and they will not determine the one that is coming.  Millions of Catholics, protestants, Jews and people of no formal faith will testify in a prejudice of faith cannot be endorsed in this country without doing political damage to the persons or candidates who endorse it.

But what is the New York Times saying now? Glenn explained, “They’re calling Salt Lake City the empire of corporate greed. They’re talking about magic underwear.  They’re talking about, they’re bashing baptism for the dead despite the fact that it’s in the New Testament.”

Glenn discussed the Mormon practice of baptism for the dead for anyone who didn’t understand.

“You’re just allowing that person to choose.  If you believe in that ‑‑ see, I mean, I think this is the most compassionate thing.  If you believe in it, that it’s a gateway, that Jesus said you’ve got to be baptized, okay, great.  You’ve got to be baptized.  Okay.  Good.  So what happens to all those people, are they just going to burn in the fires of hell that went before, before Jesus?” Glenn asked.

Glenn explained that the ritual is just offering the deceased a choice, and that in no way does “baptism for the dead” force anyone to be converted to Mormonism or Christianity in their belief system.

“Let’s say you don’t believe in the religion and we baptize for the dead.  You don’t believe in it.  It’s nonsense.  How did his baptism hurt you in any way?” he added.

“You don’t agree with it, so what’s the big deal?”

Glenn, not wanting to limit the discussion to Mormonism, asked the audience to look at how Rick Santorum was treated by the media.

“Let’s make this about religion.  Because look at what they called Santorum.  Santorum was (called) a cultist, too,” he said. “He was a Papist and a cultist.”

“When it’s a situation with Rick Santorum or are something, the religion’s scary.  It’s this reason to fear him,” Stu said, adding that when people bring up Jeremiah Wright the media decides to ignore it – even when he says radical things like the government developed HIV to kill African Americans.

“But that’s not scary,” Glenn joked.

Stu added, ” But Rick Santorum wants traditional marriage.  Fear him.”

“I mean, the double standard is well covered but absolutely crystal clear in this case,” Stu explained. ” And, you know, here we have a situation where a guy is trying to run.  It’s not like this is some weird thing that might happen in the future.  Mitt Romney is running for president right now.  He’s one of two guys who might win it.  And this is a story in which they continue to trash him, they continue to mock his faith. ”

“If you really think that you can’t vote for somebody because he’s black, because he’s Catholic, because he’s Mormon, you really have nothing going on in your life.  And boy, are you going to be surprised on the other side of life.  You’re going to be surprised.  We’re in this together, gang,” Glenn concluded.

 

  • Anonymous

    Glenn when you’re dead I’ll baptize you into Islam. Got it.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    The difference of 50 years is even more simple in the regards of Romney being assaulted based on his faith and ideology…

    The majority of the medias, of all kinds, are in the hands of the progressives, marxists and radicals; answering to them via subversion, coersion, ideology, or fanatacism. They are nothing more than the lawful propaganda machinery and fabricators of distortions, lies, and falsehoods, for their puppeteers who strive behind the lines from all directions and methodology to ensure their own success.

    Understand clearly – the attack on Romney, as with any other candidate who faced Obama, is being subject to the most basic of propagandist tools…

    TELL a lie long enough, loud enough, often enough and it will become established as a truth for many people.

    If you doubt this consider the recent themes of the last 50 years:

    Elvis Lives.JFK lives.Moon landing not happen.Earth is flat.Challenger shot down by Russian ships9/11 ‘truthers’ (of Van Jones fame)

    Up front, I am not a mormon, nor do I accept their teachings; I will not hold it against a person until their actions and deeds speak otherwise. Romney is the candidate I will vote for, and for the reason he is a man of integrity, that when in the White House, still needs to be watched like a hawk to ensure he is held to account for all actions and deeds done.

  • Jordon McKee

    Since Islam is such a strong advocate of baptism…  Give me a break.

  • Anonymous

    That percentage has gone up a lot the last few years. I wonder if people are treating the question as “would you vote for Romney” or “would you vote for a Prop 8 supporter” because I mean… liberals are just cool with Harry Reid. Same thing with those polls that show conservatives are less willing to vote for a woman, black, hispanic, gay, or atheist candidate… those are demographics that tend to be more liberal so maybe some of this is just assuming the candidate of a particular demographic is the average of what that demographic is.

  • Anonymous

    The problem with the baptism for the dead thing is that it’s considered an insult to baptize say a deceased Catholic because it’s implying that his/her baptism was unworthy or illegitimate. By the same token I find it insulting for Catholics, Methodists, or many other faiths to not accept LDS baptisms as valid when LDS members convert to their churches.

  • Anonymous

    Um, I don’t think Islam practices baptism. I am a Mormon and if they did, I would be fine with it. It would show that they cared about my welfare. You missed the whole point ,sadly.

  • Anonymous

    DOTJ

    I I were you DOTJ i wouldn’t worry about Glen! I would start worrying about where I was going to spend eternity!
    From where I see it your well on the ROAD TO PERDITION! 

  • Anonymous

    IF YOU KNEW HE MORMONS LIKE I KNOW THE MORMONS YOU WOULD’NT SAY THAT  — MORMONS ARE ROTTEN TO THE CORE.   THE RUINED BRANSON MO. –  ASK ANY ONE.

  • Anonymous

    It was more civil, in large part to the fact that radical assholes like beck, rush and bachmann were not around to spread their racism, bigotry, sexism and hatred.
    Romney is too much of a pussy to stand up to these idiots so he has had to wilt under their pressure!!!

  • Anonymous

    I guess this means that the liberals are bigots, right?

  • Anonymous

     Who are the radical assholes again? Did you mention DWS, Axelrod, Moore, Ayers, Jones, and all of the human filth in Congress? I thought not.

  • maplewindgreenleaf

    How exactly DO you know the mormons? True, there can be bad ones out there, but that goes for ALL types of religions and people. Judging a whole group of people based on one or two you know isn’t really fair.

  • Anonymous

     gosh…
    I am sorry…
    I forgot to mention the filibuster, do nothing congress led by the oil, nra and koch brother lobbyists who are posing a boehner, cantor, bachmann, etc…

  • http://www.facebook.com/lorleine.browning Lorleine Browning

    So do tell, how did the Mormons ruin Branson? There aren’t enough there to make much of an impact!

  • vieteravet

    The Congress keeps sending bills to the Senate and that idiot Reid keeps tabling their bills.  Oh, and I guess you sleep with a cut out of the Kenyan Village Idiot!

  • vieteravet

    who cares about Romney’s religion, I’m a baptist and I don’t agree with Romney or the Catholic church, but I’ll vote for Romney because of his leadership and business skills, hell I’d vote for any one with a chance to beat Obama.

  • http://www.speakthewordnow.com Karen Rose

    Mormon or Muslim…American or non American…I would vote for an American

  • http://www.facebook.com/marylynne.jarvis Mary Lynne Jarvis

    I live 29 miles from Branson and it isn’t ruined. It’s booming. The shows attract people from all over the country because they are clean and family oriented. I love the way the veterans are honored there. Branson is a lovely tourist destination for all ages. How could you say Mormons ruined it? 

  • sparducks

     Yes. Right. Definitely bigots and commies.

  • sparducks

     Assholes like strlk, Matthews, Jaun Williams, Obama, Soros, Pelosi ,Ried, Boxer,       John fn Kerry, How bout the asshole John Edwards, What a slimy bastard. I’ll bet your just like him.

  • Anonymous

    strlIK;
    Art. 2 section 1 of the Constitution deals with the issue of ” natural born ” Now Obamas’ daddy had a dual citizenship of Kenya and Zanibar! Last time I checked these two places do not exist in America! So Obama is ineligible to be president!  Pure and simple!

    Ben Franklin once said….”It is in he region of ignorance that tyranny begins.”

    Get over yor pathological liberal breeding and wise up before you and yor liberal buddies take this country under!

  • sparducks

    I dont want a civil campaign, I want Obama to be bloodied and berated daily. And Romney emerge unscathed.

  • Anonymous

    I remember hoping that Goldwater would win.  I also remember how angry I was when I heard that President Kennedy had been assasinated but felt even worse when his brother Robert had also been assasinated.  Religion was no longer an issue.  I just couldn’t understand how someone from our Country could do this horrible thing.

  • http://twitter.com/SarahTruesdell Sarah Truesdell

    Did you mention DWS, Axelrod, Moore, Ayers, Jones, and all of the human filth in Congress? I thought not. http://Achieved4Dream.blogspot.com

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_45W2ZR4OHIJLUGSU3FBIYXHVKY William H

    I’m sure you meant the do nothing SENATE, who have not managed to produce a budget in 4 years, who have tabled every jobs bill the House has sent up, who refuse to discuss-  not pass -DISCUSS the numerous budget and spending bills the House has passed.

    The House has a Pub majority, so they aren’t doing any filibustering (do you even know what filibustering is?).

    You need to quit spitting on your monitor-  your mom won’t buy you a new one if you ruin the one you have.

  • Rafael Lafuente

    muslims, mormons , catholics, alcoholics.. they are all wrong. Bible is a tale story, and your god is religious fiction. suck it up.

  • Anonymous

    I’m an ex-mormon and I don’t care about Romney being LDS (my comment was only an explanation of why many have problems with that LDS practice). I won’t vote for him though I did really like him when he was Governor… I’m a liberal so of course I’ll vote for Obama.

  • Anonymous

    Senate keeps sending bills to the House and Boehner keeps ignoring them, so that goes both ways.

  • Anonymous

     That would mean something if I gave a shit about your brainwashed accusations or opinions.
    You don’t care about the truth, you only care about protecting your leader.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lavoy.masters Lavoy Masters

    Well said  snowleopard….PRAY THAT GOD WILL CHANGE THE HEARTS AND
    MINDS OF THIS NATION AND GIVE TRUTH, REASON AND THE CONSTITUTION
    A NEW AWAKENING. WE NEED IT, AND START WITH ME DEAR LORD!

  • landofaahs

    Abraham was counted righteous because he believed the promise of the Savior Glenn, as did all those faithful who did not exist before Christ.  Those after Christ who have refused it had a choice and they chose differently.  Please quit perverting the gospel.

  • landofaahs

    By the way Glenn why don’t you people just baptize a dead Hitler?  I mean really, I guess you believe everyone will be saved despite Christ saying many are called and few are chosen.  How about broad is the way that leads to destruction but narrow is the way to eternal life.

  • landofaahs

    If you are right and I am wrong, I lose nothing.  But if I’m right(which I am), what do you lose?  Everything.  But in the end you will confess Jesus Christ, I just pray for you, it will not be too late. 

  • sparducks

    Look here shitlk, You know that Obama is a crack smoking, porn addict who hates white people even his grandmother. He is so stingy his brother in africa can’t even count on a post card let alone a helping hand. The guy started out as a pick pocket, and worked his way up to glim dropper scam. So don’t tell me I don’t care about the truth. How could you even vote for this pick pocket,crack smokin, dog eatin, grandma hater. Oh and he’s gay too.He’s a queer. So that’s your leader. Runnin america right in the ground. And how dare you call me brainwashed………………….I can’t tell if you’re a guy or a girl but i’m guessin a girl.

  • landofaahs

    John Adams once called Alexander Hamilton a bastard brat of a scotch peddler.  Sounds rougher than anything I’ve heard yet on either side.  Besides it is the left that is anti-Christian bigotry times 10. And let us not forget that liberals are the ultimate racists, haters of the human race, evidenced by their standing support for murdering babies in the womb.

  • landofaahs

    Ever notice how Axelrod and Harry Ried all look like Hitler when you paste that little mustache on their faces. 

  • landofaahs

    Rep. Ryan put a proposal for balancing the budget which he understood would be a starting point for compromise, but the democrat leadership would not even counterproposal.  Democrats don’t compromise ever.  They are the dfownfall of this once great country along with the evil supporters of said party.

  • landofaahs

    I can see a day when there will be a bounty put on liberals so we can put them on trial for treason.

  • landofaahs

    Not budget bills.

  • landofaahs

    There day of judgement is coming quickly.

  • landofaahs

    Well, those like Harry ried are. so I will agree on that instance.  I don’t believe the way they do but as long as they don’t bother me, they have their rights to believe as they wish.

  • landofaahs

    I first went to Branson in the 60′s.  As far as I’m concerned, it is ruined because of the commercialism.  The Marvel cave. Foggy river boys, Shepherd of the Hills and a few craftsmen were all that was there that I remember. Now it is a drug infested place for ,mainly burnt out hippies.

  • Anonymous

     Sacraments: form and matter. Form: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Matter: Water. The Catholic Church does accept the baptisms of dissenting faiths but it must be of the correct form and matter. Once the sacrament has been correctly administered it is done, forever and cannot be undone.

  • Anonymous

    No one is perfect. We all fall short. Choose the person who will try to create an atmosphere that will help lead souls to Heaven. I see nothing in Obama’s actions that will help lead souls to Heaven.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=581834054 Ginny Auldridge

    BASHING has tune into a badge of honor. I can’t tel you how mny haeful thins have been said to m becase I coverted to Catholi in 1999. it’s disgusting, and growing worse. 

  • Anonymous

    Ryan’s proposal balances the budget on the backs of the middle class.
    He is bought and paid for by big business.
    His plan is a copy of failed plans from the past.
    and…
    Sorry, but the Republican Party is the party that is being forced to bow down to extremist assholes like rush, glenn and the like!!!

  • Anonymous

    The United States is not a Christian based country.
    The left is not “anti-christian”, it is simply adhering to the philosophy of freedom of religion!!!

  • Anonymous

    Some day, as you look up from hell you will understand that being a racist and bigoted fuck is why your soul is warped, shriveled and pathetic.
    Good riddance fuck stick…You’ll never hear from me again!!!

  • Anonymous

     It’s not a perversion of the gospel just b/c it’s a different interpretation.  The mormons even have an whole book they add on.  It’s a very unique and different denomination.
    And while it sounds ridiculous to you just think how ridiculous every religion appears to an outsider. 
    Besides, no reason to crap on an act of compassion.

  • Anonymous

     you suggest he converts for a simple cost benefit evaluation.  certainly believing merely to avoid being damned to hell is just as bad if not worse than just not believing at all?

  • Anonymous

     and you are 12?

  • Anonymous

     it’s funny b/c the democrats will say that it’s the republicans who never compromise, and really both are very unwilling since being labeled a DINO or a RINO (especially now with the far right tea party) significantly harms your chances of reelection.

  • landofaahs

    Ryan’s “Proposal”. Meant to be compromised and debated. You know, give and take. Work together. I guess not. But how could that ever be possible when obama’s own commission set up by him called Simpson Bowles was dismissed out of hand by obama himself. You people on the left are amazing.

  • landofaahs

    I agree. If it were a Christian Nation, we would not be killing babies in the womb, murdering each other in the streets because someone has a pair of Airhead Jordon tennis shoes that we are too lazy to go out and work for. We would not use the federal govt. like a mafia tool to steal from others under the banner of social justice and fairness. I am glad you at least can see that. I won’t even go into the perversions of our institutions and laws by hideous leftwing scum.

  • landofaahs

    Yes it’s called the “book of Moron”. Yes yes I know just like the gnostic gospels of old. But it is a book og falsehood which you will one day see.
    But since you have admitted unknowingly that different religions sound rediculous to others, Yes. Mormonism is very odd compaired to Christianity, REAL Christianity.

  • landofaahs

    No. I am just giving you something to chew on. You will find out in the end. But I am tolerant enough to allow you your own beliefs. Have a good life.

  • landofaahs

    This country was a republic with wide liberty and little govt. intrusion. Look where we are now. How can you with any honesty say that we as conservative republicans not compromised this country into the hell it is becoming. Wake up.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, abortion is a legal right in the United States!
    If you do not like it, leave!
    “Jordon” is spelled “Jordan”!
    The government employs hundreds of thousands of Americans, including those who protect you from foreign aggressors, fire, burglary, etc…
    The “mafia tool” that you hate protects your right to free speech!
    If you hate your right to pray, speak your mind and sleep in peace…
    Please…oh Please
    Leave!!!

  • Anonymous

    Compromise is impossible when assholes like glenn, rush and their cults demonize any Republican who wishes to compromise.
    Here is an idea…
    Do a little research outside of FN, glenn, rush, etc…and form an opinion that is not a regurgitation of a cult talking point!!!

  • landofaahs

    No. we are going to take over. You seem to be a Godless little troll, which is your right. But if there is no God, there is no right or wrong. So please do nort suffer to say say something is not right or fair because in your belief might makes right.
    If the govt is protecting us from agressors, it’s dfoing a poor job with all the illegals coming over the border, not to mention the liberals oppressing us.

  • landofaahs

    The only Fox news I listen to is the business news on Sat. mornings for 3 hrs. That makes you wrong again. You know you just assume that anyone who would disagree with you is a Fox news listener. What little liberal retard world do you come from? But since that is not enough for you I ask you this. Do you think that with each passin g decade the federal govt. has more or less power over the individual citizen or not. Come on and answer. Our rights are being eroded by liberals every passing day.

  • Anonymous

    Faith based on an insurance policy (the whole “well if this is right then I have a lot to lose” thing) is hardly the sort of faith God is looking for.

  • Anonymous

    The House would be passing a lot fewer budget bills if it had to deal with the filibuster like the senate does.

  • landofaahs

    How would an atheist know that?? Sorry, I’m laughing when I should not be. Deep down you know God is just as Satan knows but refuses him. But you are correct. We should not view faith as fire insurance.

  • Anonymous

    I’m aware of why the Catholic and LDS churches have the positions they do. I’m just noting how it comes across as insulting to people of other denominations to have their baptism considered invalid.

  • landofaahs

    Not if the left really compromised. Only when you want it all your way like our petulant prez wants. Spoiled little boy can’t stand being told no.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ABWG7LDK2VX23KWINRPMN6YBWM NotMyFault

     Not everyone has had the opportunity to learn of and know Christ, even those who came after His time.  For example, how many millions of indigenous people lived in, say, Australia, which Christianity did not reach until what, the 1700s?  Or Japan (1500s)?  Or even today there are countries where it is illegal to preach and teach of Christ and people who are cut off from access to knowledge of him, so how could those people gain a witness of Him?  There are many, many nations and billions of people who never had a choice.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ABWG7LDK2VX23KWINRPMN6YBWM NotMyFault

    Have you ever read the Book of Mormon for yourself?  Are you aware that it’s entire purpose is to testify that Jesus Christ is the Savior?  How would you know it is not another testament of Jesus Christ, as it says it is right there on the cover unless you read it and ask God for yourself if it is also His word?

  • Anonymous

    some people believe a Jewish carpenter who lived in the middle eastern desert 2,000 years ago was the son of god. weird stuff.

  • landofaahs

    That is God’ realm, not mine. I don’t try to explain his reasoning, I just listen to what he says. But it does show the importance of getting off our rears and for living the Great Commission to spread the gospel. Because there are people dying daily and going to hell. But the Bible says there are ways that seem right to a man but the way thereof leads to destruction. When the Bible is silent, we should be silent. Where it is speaking, we should speak. Be still and know that I am God tells us to let God do the judging.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ABWG7LDK2VX23KWINRPMN6YBWM NotMyFault

    Apparently, Glenn, in 43% of liberal minds, it’s okay to be a bigot as long as you hate the right kinds of people. 

  • landofaahs

    No I did not read it. I don’t have to. To have a book written so long (1800 yrs.) after the fact is nothing more than the other writings claiming to be of the teachings of Christ just like Islam talks about Christ but distorts who and what he is. Baptizing dead people is clearly anti-Christian and is not mentioned in the Bible and is a contradiction of it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ABWG7LDK2VX23KWINRPMN6YBWM NotMyFault

    Why don’t you ask a Mormon acquaintance or neighbor what they do believe instead of relying on online potshots to mock them?

  • landofaahs

    Yes and it was written by witnesses inspired by the Holy Spirit who were willing to give up their lives to tell that truth and most all of them did. Since they were witnesses, their words are most believable because anyone who is not a direct witness merely believes but the witnesses would not be willing to die for something they knew to be a made up lie. Nobody I know of dies for something they know to be a lie.

  • landofaahs

    I assume you are one so I will ask you. Do Mormons believe in baptizing dead people? Is Lucifer and Jesus brothers? How about those 2 for starters.

  • Anonymous

    No insult intended.  How it “comes across” is according to the mode of the individual.  If the conditions of baptisms are formed by human pride then anything goes and it usually doesn’t go well.

  • Anonymous

    1 Corinthians 15:29, KJV Bible, New Testament

    “Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ABWG7LDK2VX23KWINRPMN6YBWM NotMyFault

    And refer to jedmerrill’s link for the answer to your second question.  There is a very good summation in the Bible Dictionary (which is kind of a mini-encyclopedia), just see the listings under ‘Lucifer’ and ‘Devil.’

  • Anonymous

    If that is the case then Joseph and his brothers and many who followed them were witnesses, because they “would not be willing to die for something they knew to be a made up
    lie. Nobody I know of dies for something they know to be a lie.”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ABWG7LDK2VX23KWINRPMN6YBWM NotMyFault

    Baptism for the dead is mentioned in Corinthians (King James Version).  If you won’t read the Book of Mormon and ask God if it is His word, you won’t ever really know for yourself.  (I mean, would you expect someone who never read the Bible to really be able to gain their own witness that it is also God’s word?)  You will just be making blind assumptions and judgments.  It’s your choice.

  • landofaahs

    Corinthians did not believe in the resurrection, yet held an opinion or a practice based on the resurrection. Paul only alludes to the opinion or practice , which could have been (1)conducting baptisms in graveyards to express hope in the resurrection of those who die in Christ (similar to clebrating Easter sunrise services held in church graveyards.(2)requests for baptism because of the inspiring examples of those who died.
    We are to die to Christ daily, denying ourselves, for when we the old man is drowned in baptism we are new creatures in Christ. Your other readings are not of the Bible and I take no note of them.

  • landofaahs

    Only give me Bible sources. I don’t see jedmerrils name in the Bible.

  • landofaahs

    Type your reply…

  • landofaahs

    Joseph (Mary’s husband) i suppose and Jesus brothers? Yes, not just the 12 apostles, but all who witnessed Jesus death and resurrection.

  • landofaahs

    See my response to Jed merrill, I don’t want to type it all over again.

  • Anonymous

    I mean Joseph Smith, But I’m sure you knew that.  

  • Anonymous

    As with many of your previous posts, you once again miss the entire point of what Glenn was saying. You don’t have to agree with the beliefs of the LDS church, but mockery, attacking what is considered sacred by others, and incorrectly stating the beliefs of others, whether deliberate or not, IS bigotry. Your post reveals a profound lack of understanding of doctrines of the LDS church. Who cares? If it is a moral issue for you, vote for Obama. All religions have differences in beliefs. And that includes all Protestant religions. There are 8 different Baptist churches in my city, yet, not one of them know or care about each other and they do not work together, although the majority of them are part of the Southern Baptist Convention. Why would that be? Because they don’t agree with the doctrines of the other pastors and the interpretations of scripture. I teach religion courses. Two years ago, I did a statistical evaluation of the pro-LDS vs anti-LDS websites on the internet. The ratio was about 6:1. Now that Romney is running, it is nearly 60:1. Most of the sites sound just like you or worse. Mockery and smug distortion all the way to outright hatred is the norm, all expressed “in the name of love”. These sites are more compassionate to the gay movement by far than they are Mormons. Based on my experiences with these people, it is ludicrous to believe that this behavior is what was meant by Jesus Christ when he said in John 13:33-34 to “love one another”. I expect this from godless liberals who have turned hate, lies and distortions into a science in their never ending quest for power justified by “the end justifies the means” mentality, but I find it a shameful perversion of Christ’s words to see so-called Christians join the progressives in this insanity. Why would the liberals care what religion Mitt Romney embraces and why would they attack him on that point? Because they are trying to get people like you to do one of two things: vote against Romney and for Obama or abstain from voting altogether in a statement of “principle”. Either way, it cedes the election to them. 

  • landofaahs

    I intend to vote for Romney. I never indicated otherwise. The fact though that I disagree with mormonism in reply to a post was not mockery. The mockery began when mormons began beating me over the head with their book of mormon. I can vote for Mitt without voting for his religion. If you read my other posts, you may have seen that. I can separate the two, sadly mormons don’t seem to be able to. I just simply do not recognize mormonism as a Christian Religion.

  • greywolfrs

    Hey, it’s sticky chin. You really should look up the definition of bigot and then look in a mirror. Dunce.

  • greywolfrs

    The psychological term for this is called “projecting.” Left wing idiots call conservatives bigots, when in reality, they are the bigots.

    Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others originate those feelings.

    Now, look at all of sticky chin’s comments and tell me this does not perfectly describe him.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6AFLZGRNOSH3FN7J4RU34XOSZM john

    the double standard used by liberal democrats is as usual, appalling. it just plain sucks. oh, but if somebody dares to complain about obama and his administration, look out. you’re just a racist hater right wing nut. to all left wingers: eat me.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6AFLZGRNOSH3FN7J4RU34XOSZM john

    from the civil war on

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ABWG7LDK2VX23KWINRPMN6YBWM NotMyFault

    You ask what Mormons believe, but you refuse to refer to the freely available resources from which we draw those beliefs and which will answer your questions?

  • Anonymous

    Definitely. Well said. We all know that liberals call themselves the most “tolerant” people in the world. What they mean is anyone who believes differently from them must be persecuted, hated, vilified and removed by any means necessary. They tolerate nothing and most have little to no factual basis for their beliefs, so they turn it into a moral imperative, exactly what they accuse the right of doing. That misguided sense of “morality” engenders the progressive philosophy of “the end justifies the means”. They have even codified this into law. Anyone who opposes union policies run the risk of injury, threats, mayhem, kidnapping and murder, some of which is legal under the Hobbs Act of 1973, which reflects a Supreme Court decision in the case United States v. Emmons. It is the same with any liberal cause. Progressives do not consider their attacks on the personal beliefs of individuals or groups to be religious bigotry. Because the end justifies the means, their actions are the logical choice of a higher moral imperative. Therefore, in their eyes, it simply is not possible for them to be bigots, racists, liars, cheats, etc. Anyone ever heard of the crusades? Sound familiar? Al Franken, in his run for office in Minnesota said that he was going to take a page directly from the playbook of democrat governor Christine Gregoire of Washington. Like Gregoire, thousands of illegals, prisoners, felons, dead people, pets, etc, voted in the election.This is the goal with relation to the anti-Mormon rants. Much of it is authored by the gay community. What we are hearing now is shocking, but it is only the beginning. This already has been a campaign on the liberals side that has out and out lied, and even when the cited source denied what Obama was putting out there, they continued to run the attack ads. Harry Reid, this week, announced that he had heard a rumor that Romney didn’t pay taxes for 10 years. No proof, no source, just rumors announced at a press conference. If this were anything but a political race, he could be sued for defamation of character and slander. What’s worse is REID is a Mormon. Although he’s more like a MINO (Mormon In Name Only). Obama’s campaign manager claims that Romney, because he had a Swiss bank account and did business in the Cayman Islands, he MUST be guilty of tax evasion and fraud. When challenged that he knew nothing of the kind, he stated that he didn’t know that without proof to the contract, he couldn’t say that Romney HADN’T committed crimes. The attacks on Romney’s religion are simply the natural permutation of progressive thought. We are only barely scratching the surface of how far they will go prior to the election.

  • sparducks

    That is the net result I was hoping for.

  • sparducks

     What part of my post sounded like it came from the keyboard of a 12yo? And if your gonna try to take a poke at me make it a little more interesting.

  • Anonymous

    That is so cute.
    No, each decade differs according to their times.
    but don’t fret little darling…
    some day you will actually educate yourself by reading or listening to experts instead of wasting your time with glenn and his other cult leaders.

  • Anonymous

    Whose God?
    Describe your God!!!
    and…
    Why are those who you label as “illegals” evil?
    Are they the wrong color?!!!
    Racist fuck!!!

  • Anonymous

    I’d like to respond with a logical argument, but you are too ignorant to understand what logic is.
    So please…
    Continue fucking your sister/cousin/mother while helping your father/uncle/brother decide where to hold the next cross burning, white sheet rally!!!
    May you burn in hell you inbred fuck!!!

  • Anonymous

     At least in a court of law, eye witness accounts are the least reliable testimony.

    Millions of people have gone to their grave for any number of causes, and surely few if any of them were the types to “die for something they knew to be a made up lie.”

  • sparducks

    Dude I’m Mexican.

  • Anonymous

     Most of the people alive today, indeed most of the people who have ever lived on this planet, are not and were not christians.

    And while the quantity of believers doesn’t necessarily reflect the quality of the ideas, it’s amusing to think you, of all people, have it all figured out.

  • sparducks

    So go ahead and give it a shot. The logic thing. Once your meds kick in.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ABWG7LDK2VX23KWINRPMN6YBWM NotMyFault

    Excellent points.  The only portion I would disagree with is calling Gregoire our ‘governor’ here in Washington State.  We are still at a loss to understand how so many dead people managed to drag themselves out of the cemeteries and into the polling places to vote for her.

  • Anonymous

    I heard on the news that if we turn into Greece and our
    economy falls, that even the elite liberal press, businesses,
    and our elected officials will not be exempt from the pain
    we all will suffer.
    As far as religion goes, I would never use religion to decide
    who to vote for.  The liberal media are a bunch of idiots.
    There disgusting tactics are enough to make me puke.

  • The Craig Machine

    Religions are beyond criticism because others find it sacred? Sorry but you are advocating another form of censorship called political correctness. What a candidate believes is very important and to ignore it is rather asinine. I take it you would never disparage Satanic or Pagan religions and in turn vote for one of them……. or are you a bigot?

  • Anonymous

    Very good questions, Landofaahs.

  • Anonymous

    that’s so sweet of you. Who knows what I would do if you weren’t tolerant enough to allow me my own beliefs.
    Thanks man

  • Anonymous

    It is, and it is pretty clearly false. But the point is to a hindu what you believe is ridiculous. Any religious individual saying that someone else’s religion is ridiculous is like the pot calling the kettle black. If some aspects of religion weren’t unbelievable and fantastic, even ridiculous then faith wouldn’t be required.

  • Anonymous

    To say that you’d have to assume that we are in the majority and whether or not we compromised was a factor or actually mattered. The individuals compromising probably aren’t really all that conservative, more conservative than they are liberal, but not all that conservative.

  • landofaahs

    I have resources called a computer. Do mormons believe in God as the Trinity? Did God create all things including matter? Does the Bible contain errors or is incomplete according to the mormon belief? I also understand they do not agree with the apostles creed which is a truyth according to the bible.

  • landofaahs

    I leave you to your own devices.

  • landofaahs

    Nasty little foul mouth. You no doubt are a hater of Christians or just anyone you disagree with.
    I do not hate those who are here illegally, I just want them out of our country, just like any criminal who would break into someones home. And I don’t care what color they are you bigot.

  • landofaahs

    I fail to see what difference to the truth it makes if the majority are Christian or non-Christian. I do have it figured out to great satisfaction. If you don’t believe it that’s your problem, not mine.

  • landofaahs

    You are very welcome and you can repay me by allowing me mine. See how easy it is to get along when we can disagree and leave others to be responsible for their own beliefs?

  • landofaahs

    Your point is pointless. You just called my belief rediculous because it can in many ways be backed up by facts and common sense. It does require faith, but also faith backed by truth

  • landofaahs

    Or they just take the path of least resistance or they get paid off or…

  • Anonymous

    1. I am Catholic. Sorry, but you are wrong again.
    2. “our country”?
    3. So, now you are labeling an illegal immigrant as a convicted felon who is breaking into your home. Quick question…Are you a Native American? If you aren’t, shut the fuck up because you are a criminal!!! You are a racist and bigoted fuck. Live with it!!!

  • landofaahs

    You are also a retard. As an act of war, we took this country, right or wrong. The native Americans constantly fought over territory and as such held no legal deed as civilized people do. They lost their land the same way they got it in the first place, by war.
    Since “most” illegals are from Mexico and thereby Catholic, it explains a lot that as a Catholic yourself, you would side with them even if they commit crimes of murder and when have done such run back to Mexico to secape the punishment for said crimes. It would not surprize me to find out that you were in fact Father Flager.
    PS Is it standard fare for Catholics to use the type of language you do?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ABWG7LDK2VX23KWINRPMN6YBWM NotMyFault

    Calling it the “Book of Moron” in your earlier post does not qualify as mockery?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ABWG7LDK2VX23KWINRPMN6YBWM NotMyFault

    We do believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in his Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost, but that they are separate beings, not one person.  As the Bible says, we believe that God created the heavens and the Earth.  We believe the Bible is the word of God as far as it is translated correctly.  I looked at the Apostles Creed and while we have different interpretations of some of its points (and there just isn’t room here to break them down one by one), Mormons absolutely believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and our Savior, that He lived a perfect life of sacrifice and service, that He suffered and died for all mankind and that He was resurrected.  We also believe that it is only through Him that forgiveness and salvation is possible,  and we do believe that one day He will return.

  • landofaahs

    It must have been a typo since it was not intentional.

  • landofaahs

    I don’t believe I said they were one person. Three persons but one God is what I meant. I will go back when I have time and look. The Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God. Is that what you are saying?
    Do you believe that all things, including matter were created by God? I woul;d like to know what points of the Apostles creed you have a difference with, that is the whole point. Do you believe the Bible to be the complete word of God without errors or do you believe that the book of mormon is an addition of it. Sorry, if you do, that nixes it. The Bible is the complete and accurate word of God. Period.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for proving my point. You not recognizing the LDS church as Christian is irrelevant to the beliefs of the people. Funny how you claim that your posting is not mockery, but in the next sentence you admit to mocking the religion “…when Mormons began beating me over the head with their book of mormon”, whatever that means. You say that you can separate the religion from the candidate, but Mormons sadly, can’t. So, those of the LDS faith are only voting for Mitt Romney because he’s LDS, not because they are conservatives? Are you saying that the LDS people normally vote liberal, so if it had been Huckabee or Paul or any of the other non-LDS candidates, they would not have voted for them, instead opting to vote in the democratic primaries for Obama?  Here’s some news for you. I DIDN’T vote for Romney in the primaries and I’m LDS. What makes a Christian if not faith in His divinity, the vastness of the salvation and grace afforded us through the atonement and trying to follow Him to the best of our ability? Smug superiority, divisiveness and hatred? I think I’ll stick with my definition. But thank you for telling me what I believe. 

  • landofaahs

    Translation: You do not believe in the divinity of Christ. Nuff said for me. Go pound sand. Quit wasting my time MORON. Now that was meant. By the way, Jesus said “If you have seen the Son, you have seen the Father”.

  • Anonymous

    No, Craig Machine, religion is not beyond criticism. That’s not what I said. What I said is that sarcasm, mockery, distortion of the doctrines of the religion and hatred is not criticism because it is not factual. Stating that you won’t vote for someone because they are LDS can be characterized as nothing more than bigotry. And no, I do not disparage other religions, including Wiccans and Satanists. Satanists who would commit acts of violence, yes, but we both know that really doesn’t happen, don’t we. The reality is that most who are accused of being Satanists are simply pagan with leanings to the worship of Baphomet, a name often misunderstood by Christians, who believe it is the occult, but, when translated from Greek through use of the Atbash Cipher, actually is more accurately named as “Sophia”, meaning “knowledge” or “goddess”. I assume that you speak as one who understands the difference based on your chosen picture. So, nice try, but no, I do not disparage these religions. Part of official LDS beliefs are that we claim the right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of our own consciences and we afford all people the same right. How many websites sponsored by LDS members make attacks on the sacred beliefs of other churches? We believe so deeply in this principle that, were a member of the church to identify themselves as part of the LDS church, then proceed to hack away at the beliefs of other religions, post pictures of prominent leaders of those religions with mocking statements, nude, or some of the other hateful things that so-called Christians put out there, they would be told to stop. If they refused, they would eventually be disfellowshipped or excommunicated. It’s that important to us. You are confusing censorship and political correctness with true bigotry. If a candidate’s political beliefs are closely aligned with yours, yet you will not vote for that candidate only because of his/her personal, religious beliefs, that IS bigotry. NOT criticism. Criticism logically implies intimate knowledge of what is being criticized and that it is based on fact; not suspicion, not supposition; not lies. What Glenn is addressing is bigotry, mockery that wouldn’t pass muster in a preschool, misinformation and ignorant prejudice. NO religion appears logical to an unbeliever, but it is obvious when fear and ignorance have replaced respectful disagreement. Want it in a nutshell? If 43% of conservatives stated that they would never vote for a candidate if that candidate is black..would that constitute bigotry? All you have to do is substitute one single word at the end of that sentence to see what is happening here. If you think there’s a difference…why?

  • Anonymous

    “If a candidate’s political beliefs are closely aligned with yours, yet you will not vote for that candidate only because of his/her personal, religious beliefs, that IS bigotry.”

    No it is not bigotry; doesn’t it also say in the Bible, you are Not to endorse by word or deed that which is inherently blasphemous? If you do, you take on the trappings of that religion (a misnomer, for L.D.S. IS a cult) you side against His Word, and ally yourself against God, for YOU believe yourselves to BE God(s)… that places you outside Religion and into the cult realm…in direct violation of His Word.

    Anyone who so chooses, can look up L.D.S. doctrines, and not the ones being “scrubbed” to appear more palpable to the christian element of society to see.

    I for one, will do what He tells us to do, for truly I wonder that this temptation to separate ourselves from his Word, is a form of the “mark of the beast,” besides the fact that Romney’s record is exactly as Obama’s.

  • The Craig Machine

    “I say to the whole world, receive the truth, no matter who presents it to you. Take up the Bible, compare the religion of the Latter-day Saints with it, and see if it will stand the test.” (Journal of Discourse, Vol.16, p.46) -Brigham Young-

    Okay, let’s do what Brigham said, shall we?

    According to the Mormon leaders, the Book of Mormon is far superior to the Bible because it contains the “pure” words of Christ. The Bible, they charge, has been altered by wicked priests. Mormon Apostle LeGrand Richards claims that “the ‘everlasting gospel’ could not be discovered through reading the Bible alone…this is the only Christian church in the world that did not have to rely upon the Bible for its organization and government…” (A Marvelous Work And A Wonder, 1966, p.41).

    The Book of Mormon is far superior than the Bible itself? Interesting.

    President Joseph Fielding Smith added that there is “no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth…. No man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God” (Doctrines of Salvation, vol.1, pp.189-90).

    Funny, I thought salvation came through accepting Jesus Christ. I never read Jesus say “and also Joseph Smith.”

    In the History of the Church (vol.7, p.287), Brigham Young even claimed that “Every spirit that confesses that Joseph Smith is a Prophet, that he lived and died a Prophet and that the Book of Mormon is true, is of God, and every spirit that does not is of anti-Christ.”

    Again, all must pass through Joseph Smith to get to God.

    The point has been made that Mormonism is a cult that does not follow the teachings of Jesus Christ but a perverted interpretation by a charlatan. If you would like, I can list facts proving that Joseph Smith is a fraud?  It is no wonder that you would be so readily accepting of a Satanist as your President.

    Matthew 7:15
    “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.”

  • Anonymous

    You, like all religious bigots, could justify the “purity” of literally any act based on that kind of reasoning. Ever heard of the Crusades? Ever studied the history of the tripe that was used by Christian kings to visit rapine and murder upon “infidels”? Guess what. At one time, Martin Luther, Calvin, William Tyndale…all of them were hunted and condemned using as justification exactly the biblical passages you so blithely and smugly toss around. I find your hatred in direct contradiction of Christ’s admonition to love one another, and, therefore, blasphemous. See, it works in any direction. Mark of the beast? Wow. Bet those Catholics are all going to burn in hell, too, aren’t they? Oh, and anyone who deviates in any way from your interpretation of scripture. And liberals. And little children who are too loud. And bugs. I hate bugs, so they’re all on the list. How could anyone not recognize your perfection and rightful place as final judge? Why would Christ need to sit in final judgment when you’ve already done the job for Him?  Perhaps if you spent as much time studying Christ’s fulfillment of the law and his insistence that his followers live a higher law based on love, you would not be so quick to condemn others and lend a bit more attention to the assurance of your own salvation. 

  • Anonymous

    Craig, I’m not accepting of any Satanist’s beliefs, I just refuse to condemn. I’d rather leave that to you. You’re good at it.  Who is your God? Why would you choose a photo to represent you that is considered Satanic in the Christian world? Obviously, you support Satanism, right? The evidence of your beliefs is clear. Or is it? That’s what happens when you fear so greatly that you pick a few things that you consider sensational and purport to encompass an entire belief system through the filter of condemnation. There is no religion that could survive a historical review of its actions by picking and choosing one or two statements made by their leaders taken out of context. We do not believe that Joseph Smith is an intercessor to God. We believe that what he taught about the doctrines of salvation is how we approach the throne of God. All on our own. But once again, thank you for telling me what I believe. Are you willing to review your own religion’s history in the same light? Would you say that your religion is false if it differs in the least from what originally existed or if someone in the religion’s history used their positions to oppress others or, horror of horrors, turned out to actually be subject to human imperfections? According to you, my religion is false because of these same issues. The fact that you easily condemn anyone who disagrees with you belies the shallow nature of your particular beliefs in Christianity. I can find the good in nearly anyone and in any belief system. You would use any difference, any prejudice to justify an all encompassing condemnation. On the one hand, you accuse Mormons of being insular. On the other, you yourself condemn those who do not share your beliefs. What could you dig up on pagans, Buddhists, Sikhs, Islamists? The world is an awfully bleak place if there is no point in the existence of anyone who believes differently from you. I do not embrace any of these beliefs, but I can certainly see good in each and every one of them. To you, it matters not a whit. There is only one fate for those who do not share each and every one of your chosen beliefs…death and the torment of hell. The parable of the good Samaritan, if we logically apply how you view me and my religion, would render his selfless act as pointless, as he had no chance of salvation because of his beliefs. That is the point of the parable. We are all the children of God and believe it or not, God is probably not interested in your advice as to who qualifies as His children. 

  • The Craig Machine

     In the History of the Church (vol.7, p.287), Brigham Young even claimed
    that “Every spirit that confesses that Joseph Smith is a Prophet, that
    he lived and died a Prophet and that the Book of Mormon is true, is of
    God, and every spirit that does not is of anti-Christ.”

    Your religion has judged all other Christians that are not Mormons. In your Bizarro World, we are the anti-Christs because we will not accept your false “Prophet” who has put himself before Christ.

    You can claim all you want that you are a tolerant person but your past actions and words tell another story.

    It is obvious to all that are willing to open their eyes that the Mormon Church is a religion of man not God.
    Since I do not wish to tell you your own “religion”, please tell everybody else about the “3rd level of Heaven” and how one gains entrance…or would you like me too? Because I don’t believe God is interested in you or your “church’s” advice to who qualifies to gain admission to certain levels of Heaven.

    We could go on and on and on so why don’t we move on and get back to why Romney is a Progressive Snake Oil Salesman and no better than Obama? 

  • Anonymous

    This is just another reason why I no longer own a TV set. The Lame Stream Media have nothing worth watching. MSNBC and the other “news” web sites run by LSM are worthless as well. Liberals are constantly proving that they are the most intolerant bunch of bigots on the planet and this hatred toward Mormons is no surprise to me. Their hypocracy is out there for all to see and only those who are equally hypocritical, like the LSM, remain unaware of it.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, by the way, I heard that Harry Reid won the election in Nevada by having voters for the other candidate executed. No proof, but that is what I heard.

  • The Craig Machine

    ” Want it in a nutshell? If 43% of conservatives stated that they would
    never vote for a candidate if that candidate is black..would that
    constitute bigotry? All you have to do is substitute one single word at
    the end of that sentence to see what is happening here. If you think
    there’s a difference…why?”

    To correct you in another one of your fallacies, the difference is race not beliefs. A color of someones skin does not reflect their beliefs, where someones religion does. Someone doesn’t chose the color of their skin but one does religion and politics.

    If you would like to talk bigotry and racism we can look at what your Church thinks of black people.

    “We
    will first inquire into the results of the approbation or
    displeasure of God upon a people, starting with the belief
    that a black skin is a mark of the curse of heaven placed
    upon some portions of mankind. Some, however, will
    argue that a black skin is not a curse, nor a white skin
    a blessing. In fact, some have been so foolish as to believe
    and say that a black skin is a blessing, and that the negro
    is the finest type of a perfect man that exists on the earth;
    but to us such teachings are foolishness. We understand
    that when God made man in his own image and pronounced him
    very good, that he made him white. We have no record
    of any of God’s favored servants being of a black race….every
    angel who ever brought a message of God’s mercy to man was
    beautiful to look upon, clad in the purest white and with
    a countenance bright as the noonday sun.”

    – Official LDS Church manual, The Juvenile Instructor,
    Vol. 3, page 157

    “You
    see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth,
    uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild,
    and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of
    the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.
    The
    first man that committed the odious crime of killing one
    of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one
    of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might
    have been killed, and that would have put a termination
    to that line of human beings.This
    was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which
    is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to
    after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced
    upon the same race–that they should be the “servant
    of servants;” and they will be, until that curse
    is removed.”

    Brigham Young-President and second ‘Prophet’ of the Mormon
    Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.

    When
    Mormon ‘Prophet’ and second President of the Church, Brigham
    Young, spoke in 1863 (Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p.
    110), the following was also said:

    “Shall
    I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race?
    If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes
    his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the
    law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so.”

    Is your “Prophet” and second President correct or wrong?

  • Anonymous

    What was the the most important Commandment? Love thy God with all thy heart, and never place any before Him.
    The first three (3) commandments are directed to God, the Seven (7) after to your fellow man.. Moses had 600 rules for living, but the 10 commandments are His law.

    Mormonism violates the most sacred. Your texts state clearly your deviance from Gods words.

    History of Crusades, tyrants, and kings, where God’s name was invoked justifying Man’s will, Man’s wants, Man’s desires, Man’s greed….and Man’s desire for power, placing themselves above God is the work of the evils of Man, not His will.

    I suggest you read the “Allegory of the Cave,” it is an accurate description for what ails you.

    Also, attempting to paint me as omnipotent judge of God’s will is a deflection of Gods will. It is your flawed interpretation of His will, a by-product of Mormonism (among others) which is man’s will- thus wrong.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for showing your true colors.
    -you are a bigot and believe that Catholics are lower than you based solely on their religious beliefs.
    -your family/friends/etc…must be extremely proud of having a person such as yourself in their lives.
    -It isn’t every day that they can brag about a person who judges others on their place of birth and religion instead of character and/or heart!!!

  • Anonymous

    1. I am a Roman Catholic.
    2. You compare an illegal immigrant to a B&E felon?! Really!?
    3. “our country”?! Are you kidding me?!
    4. Your previous answer, as well as this pathetic response not only hint, but easily prove you are a bigoted racist!!!

  • landofaahs

    LOL. You are liar just like Harry R. I never dissed Catholics, I dissed you for not being a good one. I asked you if that is what Cahtolics do, use foul language like you do. But, if you use that kind of language all the time, lying will not be beyond you. You are a very sad person.

  • landofaahs

    What do you call people who break the law? I think that your post shows that you in fact are the one who is a racist. Your post indicates that the only people who are coming here illegally are non-whites. What a racist thing to think. But perhaps you think I am a racist if I consider both whites and non-whies are breaking our immigration laws. As I said previously, I don’t care what color they are. Ship ‘em back.

  • landofaahs

    My Catholic family members will get a kick out of this post of yours since the only thing I ever complain to them about is that they don’t go to church often enough. At most they go to church once a month except for one, she goes almost every Sunday. I love you liberals for at least being consistantly stupid.

  • Anonymous

    Right on!!

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know about Hitler but I don’t know why not.  It just gives him a chance.  I do know they Baptized Poncho Villa and he targeted the saints in northern Mexico for robbery and murder.  Now that is called forgiveness and loving each other.

  • Anonymous

    It is also important to remember that Christ was accused of blasphemy,was tried, convicted and executed for trying to teach the truth to those that where blinded to the truth by the traditions that men allowed in to the religion.  Anyone that traces their beliefs to the Roman Governments mandated Universal Church, created in Nicene by the committees of the hand picked collaborating Church leaders of the time and their Government overseers, has no more validity than one claiming divine Restoration.   As a matter of fact I see more validity in the LDS claims.  Many of the sources anti-morman quotes are of questionable authenticity.  I prefer to know someone by the content of their character and their observable fruits.  And not by what someone else says about them.

  • landofaahs

    Frankly I would think that God would find that insulting. Do you realize how you cheapen God’s work on the cross? I don’t kbnow so much about dear ole Poncho, but if he did not repent of his sins while he was alive, then why can’t you have one mass baptism for everyone who ever lived and be done with it? But I do understand why you won’t comment on Hitler, you are afraid of alienating Jews. You people are disgusting.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ABWG7LDK2VX23KWINRPMN6YBWM NotMyFault

    Again, not enough room to discuss every point in this forum, that’s why I suggested talking to a member of the church in person.  There’s also mormon.org where there are people who can answer all of your questions. On just your last question, the Book of Mormon is not an addition to the Bible; they are separate records written by separate peoples, both with the intent to testify of Jesus Christ. 

  • landofaahs

    Not enough room to discuss all points. Start with one, then you can progress. But you are just using it as an excuse to cover your ignorance.
    But just for my satisafaction to silence you or force you to defend your faith, I will pose these questions for a start.
    (1)Joseph Smith said “tall men dressed as Quakers live on the moon” True or False?
    (2)Joseph Smith also prophesied that Christ would return in 1891. True or False?
    Only a false prophet could make those statements.

  • Anonymous

    Yes…
    We get it…
    You are better that any member of the Catholic Church.
    Do you have any more religiously bigoted or racist comments to make, or are you going to find more creative ways to prove you are an elitist fuck?!

  • Anonymous

    1. You are the racist fuck who attacked persons from Mexico, not I!
    2. You don’t give a shit about immigrants. You just want to live in a walled in bubble where your lazy ass can prosper!

  • landofaahs

    You lie, I attecked nobody. I merely said all illegals white or non white are breaking the law. You bare false witness against your neighbor. That makes you a liar. Why do you want people to come here illegally? YOU LIE LIKE CHEAP RUG. lol

  • landofaahs

    Once again you lie. I never said I was better than any m,ember of the Cathoic church. In fact, I have said before that I am the chief of sinners. I can say that because I can examine my heart better than I can the heart of any other being, so my sins are more profound to me. Just stop lying as that is obvious to everyone.

  • Anonymous

    Bullshit!!!
    You stated, in your racist and bigoted rant, that “most” illegals were Mexicans which means they are Catholic.
    This wouldn’t normally offend me because I have friends in my church who are from Mexico.
    You, on the other hand, went on to describe Catholic Mexicans as worthless criminals who commit crimes in the US and flee across the border to avoid prosecution.
    P.S. The US can extradite criminals from Mexico. Keep us the lies your racist fuck!!!

  • landofaahs

    Lazy -ss people don’t prosper. They just live off of the sweat of others and steal from others via a crooked govt tax system. LOL you little racist you. By the way are you an illegal alien?

  • Anonymous

    You are so full of shit!
    You never and I mean never stated “all illegals white or non white”.
    Here is your entire post…please show me where you state “white or non white”!
    You are also a retard. As an act of war, we took this country, right or wrong. The native Americans constantly fought over territory and as such held no legal deed as civilized people do. They lost their land the same way they got it in the first place, by war.
    Since “most” illegals are from Mexico and thereby Catholic, it explains a lot that as a Catholic yourself, you would side with them even if they commit crimes of murder and when have done such run back to Mexico to escape the punishment for said crimes. It would not surprise me to find out that you were in fact Father Flager.
    PS Is it standard fare for Catholics to use the type of language you do?
    and…
    “bear false witness”?
    You are one special kind of idiot aren’t you?

  • landofaahs

    That is true that most are Mexican. That is a fact. But there are also many terrorists coming accross the border that at some point they commit jihad against Americans of every race including hispanics. I did not call mexicvan americans criminals, I called illegal mexican and non-mexicans criminals youy little liar. We have many documen ted incidents that prove ILLEGAL mexicansd commit crimes of murder and rape in this country and do in fact run back to mexico to escape punishment. You lie again.

  • landofaahs

    “MOST”. That as a response to you when you falsely accused me. I said “ILLEGLS” You took that to mean mexicans and you even brought up the point that as a white person I was here illegally. I also stand by my statement about illegals. Do you think it is O.K. for people to enter this country in an illegal manner? You are the racist bigot. My original post said illegals. You brought up mexicans and catholics and when I responded using those terms tried to use them as a tool to declare me an anti-catholic racist mexican hater. Illegal Illegal Illegal. You side with law breakers just because they belong to you church. That is evil.

  • landofaahs

    Your original post to me proves you lie.

    Whose God?
    Describe your God!!!
    and…
    Why are those you label “illegals” evil?
    Are they the wrong color?!!!
    Racist F***!!!

    Those were you words, not mine. Proof from your own writing that I did not use Mexicans or Catholics in my post that you found so racist. You brought those terms in cast me as a racist. Frankly you are a liar and I can put up with a liar, just not a stupid one like you.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I believe cut and pasting your word for word response is a lie.
    Wow…
    Not only are you a racist and bigoted little fuck, but you are also a delusional little piss ant too!!!
    Well done!!!

  • Anonymous

    Again, I will show you your quote.
    “You are also a retard. As an act of war, we took this country, right or wrong. The native Americans constantly fought over territory and as such held no legal deed as civilized people do. They lost their land the same way they got it in the first place, by war.
    Since “most” illegals are from Mexico and thereby Catholic, it explains a lot that as a Catholic yourself, you would side with them even if they commit crimes of murder and when have done such run back to Mexico to escape the punishment for said crimes”
    Why do your repeatedly lie about the fact you are a bigoted racist when it is obvious to anyone who can read that you are!?

  • landofaahs

    Again my original response was “illegals”. You extrapolated “mexican” and “catholic” out of the term. It was then that you began your accusatory charge of racism. That is the fact for all to see in the thread. Now if you will excuse me, thisw is my busy time of day to make money trading. I won’t respond to your cuss words, I’ll just make more money because that is what will really anger you. LOL Money is fun to make.

  • landofaahs

    Responding to you because you brought up that only American Indians are here legally. You started it and everyone can go back and see that my original comment was “Illegals” not mexicans or catholics. You brought those terms into the conversation because you interpreted “illegals” that way.

  • landofaahs

    Everyone should go back to the original post and go forward and see how strtlk brought race into thje conversation like all liberals do. He first brought up native americans and then progress. Forgive strtlk as he is a liberal with a mental disorder. I forgive him of his lying and I pray that all of you would do likewise. Pray for him so that God would cleanse him of the foul mouthed spirit living in him.

  • Anonymous

    Wow…
    So now you are blaming your racist quotes on me?
    So sad.
    Why don’t finish your milk and graham cracker and get in a little nap so big bullies like me won’t force you to say anything else you don’t mean!

  • landofaahs

    No. I am saying that you brought up race and I only told the truth. You first mentioned American Indians and I taught you history. You first brought up cahtolicism and Mexicans when I had only mentioned illegals. You injected those into the conversation and made it racial just like democrats always do. You can deny it all you wish but people can read the posts in progression and see you are a liar.

  • Anonymous

    Have another big steaming hot cup of shut the hell up. You need to grow a brain before trying to comment. It’s obvious you haven’t got what it takes in the smarts department to be very impressive here.

  • Anonymous

    You are such a moron that most people can’t believe anyone could be this stupid. You people who shout racist are more racist than those you accuse.

  • Anonymous

    And you kiss your momma with that mouth…
    Your idiotic indignation is singularly unimpressive, and adding the profanity only causes your sinking ship to hit bottom sooner.

    There is a nautical term for you – BALLAST.

  • Anonymous

    “You are one special kind of idiot aren’t you?”

    No, you aren’t special at all. You are just a plain ordinary idiot. Your fear is all over the place. Anyone who dumps this much vitriol on people is a very fearful person. I certainly hope you get what you deserve – it is that which you fear the most, isn’t it?

  • Anonymous

    You really are trying to get banned aren’t you?

  • Anonymous

    1. You are what you call others.
    2. It’s you that wants to live in a walled bubble.

    3. Shut your pie hole you ignorant inbred jackass.

  • Anonymous

    Again, you prove once and for all that you don’t deserve to be here or anywhere else for that matter. How long has it been since you got your parole?

  • Anonymous

    So, now you are telling me you are so spineless that you can’t think for yourself and that you can be provoked into making racist and bigoted comments? Exactly how weak are you?

  • landofaahs

    Your ilk vote democrat and voted for obama, those 2 entities stand for abortion. That means you aid a abet baby killing which is the ultimate racism, hatred of the human race. So pound sound baby killer.

  • Anonymous

    Mormonism is a cult. but i don’t agree with it. but i do have Mormons friends jews friends and
    Catholic but and that does mean I’m not their friends.

        

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/N22V7XIF32DOQAEAOTK76KO5T4 S

    Who tries to block military votes from being counted?  Obama.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-campaign-sues-to-restrict-military-voting-ohio

  • http://www.facebook.com/melvin.watson.735 Melvin Watson

    Hi Glen, my opinion of Obama is very low and if anybody else is running besides him, I would still vote for the other person.  I think that Romney is still the best candidate for the job and I pray he wins this presidential election.

  • Maria Sanchez

    There’s only one racist here and your comments about Herman Cain that you made prove that.

  • Maria Sanchez

    Obama allows those people to come and go into this country.

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  • Anonymous

    You are soooooooo correct!
    I saw pictures of him waving them across just the other day!!!
    Idiot!