Amazing indeed, it speaks volumes of the true man himself: Character, integrity and of honor. He lives what he believes. These need to be spread as far and fast as possible, as they explain why the press and the Democrats have been trying to find anything to stick on Romney with such fanatical wrath.
He is the Democrats worst nightmare made reality before them; and they are terrified to the depths of their own bankrupt ideology.

Forget the real Mitt Romney…BHO is the enemy of America. BHO is incompetent at best and treasonist in the reality. If BHO gets 4 more, this country will divorce. The documents are being written as we speak.

Today is Eastern standard day light time is 09:45 PM. The date
is 09/14/2012 in the foot hills of North
Carolina. It’s Friday and I’m trying to access G/B on
my ROKU. Every time I try it keeps redirecting me to WILCOW. I really like
WILCOW but he’s not G/B! G/B to follow your own words “ question with boldness”
I’m trying to watch G/B’s show at 5:00 PM on E. S. day light time ? What’s the
deal pall? Fix it ! I’m posting this on
every most poplar site with the Glenn beck .com Net work. Thanks.

P.S. G/B G-d bless I love yugh ! Just trying too keep it
honest brother ! Thanks.

Wait during the Republician presidential race didn’t Beck condem. Didn’t Beck throw his hat into Santorums ring. I must be mistaken. Just like Beck condemned the terrible pink slime when that story broke then once “lame stream media” began talking about it he switched stances an began rallying against the “lamestream media” for attacking businesses. Oh you Beck nuts. You entertain me. You belittle liberals for believing everything but no errors ever come out of your idols mouth. Good stuff indeed. All of you are so backwards and doing nothing but hurting America.

Please name the treasonous offense Obama has committed. Oh before you do so please show me your Law degree in Constitutional law. I can wait until you post these documents.

Mitt isn’t perfect and I don’t believe you’ll ever find a perfect politician.
BUT Mitt is what this nation needs at this time, competence, puting back stability and strength in foreign relations, knowledge of finances, getting confidence back into businesses which will bring on hiring, and dedicated 100% in seeing this country come back strong, and keeping our Constitution safe.

you have issues

please seek help

I am having the same problem. Every time I try to view the Glenn Beck Program it keeps redirectiing me to Wilcow. I really wanted to see the show today about Romney. Hope it is fixed soon.

moron alert

Not sure what is going on but the internet site is not even showing the showtime of todays show. Hopefully the lib odumbo controlled DOJ did not attack GBTV!!!!!!!!

I love how the Extreme Right ( which is Beck and his followers) have embraced Romney.

who do you idiots think you are fooling?

Beck stated during the debates that Romney was his last choice of all the candidates.

now he’s praising him as if he’s the second coming.

you guys reek of desperation. too funny.

Seems someone didn’t watch the first segment of this program.

The moron speaks of his idol as he drools all over him/her self!!!!!! 1) Treason to give money to our enemy 2) treason to violate the Constitution 3) treason to put members of our enemy on his Administrative staff! 4) Treason to refuse to enforce our laws as our country is being invaded by those who break the law and steal as much as they can from our country! 4) Treason to purposely bankrupt our country!!!!
Hey Moron there is no requirement to have a law degree to know when our country’s laws are being violated and our country is being destroyed by a lying thieving dirt-bag like Odumbo your precious leader!!!! There is no requirement to have a degree at all for showing that our country is being destroyed by lib loons like you and all of your buddies at Soros controlled think tanks.

Good Job Mr. Beck. Thank you for once again coming through and taking the time to teach us something.

Thank you Glen for finally putting these wonderful stories of a fantastic man out there. Thank you for admitting you were wrong about Gov. Romney. At least you had the courage to admit it and still explain you don’t agree with him on everything. Character of a man speeks volums! There is no comparison between these two men running for the highest job in the land. How sad it is that people are so blind and let their hearts get so hard they can’t see the real deal when it is right in front of them! I love America so much!!!! We need you Mitt to fix this mess we are in!!! It is beyond me how anybody could possible vote for Obama when we see what he has done to America. Heaven help us all if the American people don’t wake up and vote for Mitt.

Compare what Mitt Romney does for people to what Obama doesn’t do. Obama did not eve help his poor grandmother, and does not help his brother or his aunt who lives in horrible poverty. Mitt Romney is twice the man that Obama is. I plan to vote for him.

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tym0MObFpTI

coming from someone who is not even smart enough to know when they are being used and made fools of by their messiah odumbo I find it quite funny that you would talk about the truth coming out about Mitt. How about you go out and find some truth about Odumbo??????? Are you afraid??? Your precious odumbo is not half the man that Mitt is and cares about no one but himself, his money, his mudslime buddies and GETTING HIMSELF RE-ELECTED!!!! He would put you and your family in a grave and bury you alive if he thought that it would get him re-elected. You useful idiots need to wake up! He will tell any lie to get re-elected!!! Wake up looser!

PS; You just wish you looked like your picture, typical lib, living in a fantasy world.

Hallelujah!!! Glenn, I’ve been waiting for you to see what I’ve seen for the past four years! Romney is probably the humblest man to ever run for president and he only wants to SERVE HIS COUNTRY! There are lots more stories! I truly believe America has no idea what a great man is running for President! One of my favorite stories was about him helping someone who had broken his arm when he fell from a ladder as he attempted to rid his home of a wasp or bee nest! Mitt showed up with all the paraphernalia to take care of the problem, climbed up the ladder and got rid of the hive or nest! HE DOES THINGS and will work untiringly to fix the deep hole our country is in!!! He won’t be spending his time at the golf course, on vacation, campaigning and fund raising while our Embassys are being attacked and Americans are being killed or appearing on Late Night shows or celebrity events instead of meeting with our allies (Netanyahu – sp?) He will care for and serve the people, meet for the daily briefings, and LEAD! Glenn, I do think you’ve finally found your George Washington!

Open your heart.. Forget the six percent differences and celebrate the 94% similarities

That’s what makes it real… Honest people do their homework and Glenn had the resources to check out Romney… Suggest you do the same!

does anyone understand what this “more-on” is talking about?

Romney is a good man, good to his family and an asset to “his community”. He understands “his community” well. My question is can he imagine the plight of people outside “his community”. Can he solve problems and administer his executive duties with an understanding that can extend outside “his community”, be inclusive in his decision making so he understands the diversity of the american community beyond “his community”. That is what is holding him back. That’s why people don’t find him authentic. If he was honest about this, and said he would try to think in this manner, support would flood to him. His community = finacial business, lobbing, Mormonism, affluent, patriotic, good hearted, investing, He will lose the election because his message does not overcome this stumbling block. Too bad thier wasting all that money.

DITTO.

2 can play that game boy. Show me your degree; don’t just say you have one. Now show me where obama has not committed treason. He is guilty until proven innocent. Shocked? The IRS does it every day. Executive orders that skirt the law are unconstitutional idiot. So is using taxpayer funds to fund projects not approved by congress. That is treason now matter what excuse you use, We will know when he has been put on trial and is found guilty by a jury. Everyone is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Even thhat little dictator wanna be.

Mr. Glenn Beck, are you aware that the company the President hired to count the votes
this November is in Spain ?! Yes… a Spanish company !!Well, now you do. That is how jobs are created in America…

You left out the treason of withholding documents that could help bring justice to murderers of hundreds of innocent people and a US border patrol agent.

You apparently did not pay attention to the show.

Boy, Matt, you obviously have not been paying attention of late. If you had, you’d have seen that this “radical” has predicted everything well ahead of time that has actually happened. Labeling people doesn’t make the truth less true. All Glenn is trying to do in this segment is to report what the media will not. Perhaps it is the media you should be going after instead of Beck. Scoff at the truth all you want, but it will come back to bite you.

Like Obama has any of the attributes you mentioned. Romney has it all over Obama. Really listen to the list you hold Romney to and then compare Obama to it. I think you will find “your boy” comes up lacking greatly.

Obama has put people in the grave. I hold him directly responsible for the deaths of our diplomats in Libya. I mean 9/11 was coming up and there had been warnings of potential problems. Plus, the marines had no bullets to protect themselves or anyone else. I hold him and Hillary directly responsible. In fact, their changing of the rules of engagement have been getting our troops killed and maimed.

Yes, he did throw into Santorum’s ring. Have you noticed that Santorum is no longer IN the ring? Honestly, people who don’t like Beck don’t listen to everything he says. And, imagine this, he actually will admit when he’s wrong. He may jump on something and joke about it as a commentator, but when the truth outs, he will expose it. As for hurting America, liberals who vote for someone based on the color of their skin instead of the content of their character are truly at odds with how people should be treated. People who expect a hand-out for lack of work then want to take people’s money that have worked hard are the problem with America. Disclosure – I am conservative, and I live in a mobile home. I’ve worked since I was 16 and bust my butt day in and day out. I have a rich aunt who helps me sometimes when I really need it, but my husband and I, regardless of medical and job circumstances, expect to get by on our own. So, wake up, Mr. Driscoll and smell the shovel-ready jobs (or the lack thereof). Some of us Beck Nuts (I’ll take that name with pleasure) are proud Americans who want our country to be what it should be – a strong, confident nation who is safe from harm and from a president who doesn’t know the difference between a celebrity and a being a leader of a nation.

Treason was ‘Fast and Furious”. Why do you think he pulled Executive Priviledge? He is duplicit in this treasonous act that got more than just Americans killed, but also hundreds of citizens of another country. He and Holder breeched Mexican Sovereignty. That is treason.

I have tears in the back of my eyes. These are the values of my parents. Thank you for reminding me charity begins at home. I hope I set a good example for my kids to.

Joe, you do realize that Mitt Romney is the Republican Party’s nominee and we feel it is in our best interest to elect a president who is right of center than one who is way left of center, don’t you?

It’s funny because the same way you say we praise and follow mitt is the same way the Left makes excuses for O’bama. He has run our economy into the ground and yet the Left defends him. He’s nearly doubled our debt, and you still defend him. There are things about democrats that I like, but you have to admit when you’re wrong. O’bama is not the man this country needs. We need Mitt. Maybe down the road another democrat will come who can do good for our economy. But that time is not this November.

Actually Matt, If you listened or watched you would hear him say himself how he was so hard on Romney and over and over again through these interviews saying he felt guilty. He also says that while he may not agree with all of Romney’s policies he is wanting to show that he is very much a good and decent man. Errors come out of all of our mouths. The difference is we will admit when we were wrong. So many Obamanites refuse to admit they were wrong about the guy. He has been nothing of what he promised he would be back in 2008.

As a Christ loving person, we are to help all we know that
need help! Therefore, if he is to be The USA President, I know he well see the
need and be honor bound to help us all.

All these people were Mormons. Not everyone is a Moron. Ron Paul was also shut out of Media coverage and helps anyone. Not just those of his faith. Can anyone even bother to mention a man with 30 years service to our country, that never sold us out to the highest bidder?

BIG FRIGGIN DEAL! POLITICIANS…

They hug a few babies, but sign the papers which send missiles in to kill completely innocent men, women and children in other countries, by the millions.

They help dig one stump from a yard, but then allow your homes to be bundled up into derivatives & sold by banks which don’t even own your mortgage to others which exploit you.

They give you a few bucks when you’re down, but then raise your taxes to the point where it completely breaks you.

Do you people REALLY buy this crap which Beck is helping to push? This, huggy-feely garbage?

Romney wants YOU to pay your “fair share” of taxes but he won’t even show his records, he said he’d vote for the NDAA and then claims to be a freedom-lover, I could go on and on and on.

So he helped dig a stump from a yard, and idiots call him a man of honor & integrity & say he’s someone to trust for THAT? That’s all it takes these days?

PLEASE, is this how dumb Americans have become? Really?

You’re EXACTLY the slave they (all politicians) want, the lower-middle class… THEY keep you down, take your money, tax YOU to the brink of destruction, so that you have to go for credit (if it hasn’t already been destroyed) to pay for things you need to live, and you spend your life working to pay that off.

They tell you that they are on your side, while the’re the ones stealing your wallet. You’re a life-long slave, you just don’t know it because you’re not in physical chains like Africans & white Europeans were long ago… you’re the willing, subservient, slave.

You say Beck can admit when he’s wrong… no, he can’t. He brings liars on his show and pushes their BS and from time-to-time, on non important issues, he may say he was incorrect, but never on the big ones. THAT IS NOT A GENUINE PERSON.

Good luck to you, slave.

Dumb and Dumber have arrived as one.

You know, Mitt Romney wasn’t my first, second or even third choice, but the more I hear about is character, the more I am confident that he IS the right man for the job.
My family had the privilege this past winter to spend quality time with Mormon missionaries. We welcomed them into our non-Mormom home for conversation, prayer, and understanding. While I understand it was their mission to “convert” us what it actually did was wake us up to the absolutely amazing qualities that exist within that culture and religion.
It is clear to me, after watching these interviews, that Romney lives by those same amazing creeds and I will PROUDLY be casting my vote for a very decent and honorable man.

And don’t forget Obama ordering that not one but two American citizens be put to death, with no trial, no hearing, no judge, no jury. One of them was a child – an innocent 16 year old boy, born in Denver, killed while at a barbeque with friends.

Are you implying that if someone supports a candidate during the primaries that it isn’t possible to then support a different candidate that wins the candidacy?
You clearly don’t understand the democratic process.
By your logic, those who supported Hilary shouldn’t be voting for Obama…

Charity isn’t just writing a check, charity is actually getting out and doing something just to help someone else in their time of need. While I don’t agree with Mitt’s politics I can say that his charitable attitude makes me think there might be worse candidates….

I cannot believe that Glenn has put a reasoned piece out here and asked people to read it and take away their own views, and then people who agree and who disagree disintegrate into name calling…. Take away what you will, and allow that others see things differently, please do not spoil the opportunity.

Im a member of the lds church and do not share some of Mitts ideas, but i know for fact that these individuals are saying the truth because thats how all stake presidents in the church are very loving and caring i have had great stake presidents that really care about people.

Only because he’s never been in a position to sell us out.
Oh, and sorry, but someone who has stated, repeatedly, that he thinks the minimum wage is responsible for our country’s financial mess, isn’t playing with a full deck.

This is great!!! but i would like to hear more stories about him helping really pooooooor people.

There’s a lot more than taxes to “keep you down”. There’s the rising grocery prices, the rising gas prices, the soon to come rising electric costs because of the new regulations on the coal and coal burning electric industries. Then in 2014 the taxes from the “Affordable Care Act” take effect. There’s no fewer than 20 new taxes in the Act, at least 7 of which directly affect the entire middle class, the lower, true middle and upper middle classes. This administration has made things worse for many, many people. I can’t see into the future to know what a Romney administration might do. But I do know this administration isn’t working. I will vote for Mitt Romney, and guess what, if I don’t like what he has done, in fours years I’ll vote for someone else. As is my right. All of this will be done because of my own research on the candidates. I don’t rely on just Fox or MSNBC. I don’t just watch or listen too Chris Mathews, Sean Hannity, Rachel Maddow, Bill O’Reilly, Ed Schultz, Michelle Malkin. I watch and listen to them all. Then I verify through my own research to come up with my own opinion. If you had taken the time to do that instead calling people “slaves”, you would know that Mary Oele’s comment is correct.

Mitt Romney obviously has positive qualities but is simply not suited to be President.
This isn’t a bad thing.
It is life.

So, Beck should not talk about Romney’s good deeds because he supported Rick Santorum in the primary? Now that Rick Santorum didn’t win the primary, Beck should stomp his feet and hold his breath because his guy didn’t win and should instead bash Romney? What kind of assinine thinking is that?
Sharing stories of good deeds by Romney does not change anything with regards to Becks support of Santorum during the primary. Too bad you are too dense to realize that.

You say that he never admints on the big ones. Please name the big ones.

The left does not have logic. They have only emotion. It doesn’t matter what truth is told, if it goes against their emotions, they ignore it. Frankly, it must be really hard to be a lefty. Keeping up with all of their mixed messages must be quite challenging.

Haha man you Beck acolytes get so up in arms. Like you nuts always say, I’m just exercising my First Admendment Rights. Please don’t be hypocrites and attempt to suppress my voice. All the talk of peace, love and harmony on this site is extremely amusing. Since I began posting I have been told to play in traffic, have been called a retard, and a “more-on.” Listen here is the bottom line. Your little “let’s have American return to the 1950′s so the Blacks can’t vote and we can call politicians communist” movement is on it’s way out. You think you speak for this country but in reality all of you are a small faction of bible thumping, backwards, unintelligent, card carrying John Birch Society members. If you are the voice of the nation then why does the majority of America think Glenn Beck is insane? And please don’t give me this liberal media is out to get us bull. Here’s the thing. If everybody is saying the same thing it is probably time to stop looking at the people that are saying it and start looking at the people it is said about. For as much as you guys say liberals treat President Obama a messiah you certainly put Beck on a pretty high pedestal. By the way what has Glenn predicted that was true? Please tell me. You live in a delusional bubble where you believe that you are some sort of revolutionary heroes standing up in the face of tyranny. Wrong!!! As I said you all are a small faction of nuts that the country ignores. Your voices don’t matter, your opinions don’t matter, and you certainly don’t matter. America will thrive despite your best attempts.

It’s obvious the Romney’s are givers, not takers. On the otherhand, it’s obvious the Obama’s are takers. I’ll bet Ann Romney won’t waste $10 million/year of tax payers money on vacations. If Obama is re-elected American tax payers can expect to pay over $40 million for Michelle’s vacations for the next 4 years.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2029615/Michelle-Obama-accused-spending-10m-public-money-vacations.html
God Bless America and remove Barrack and Michelle Obama from office in November, if not sooner!

And you think Obama IS qualified? Yes, he’s gained some “on the job” experience, but he came in as a rank amateur; a 2-yr senator who rarely showed up. Even Clinton called him an amateur…. read the book “The Amateur” by Ed Klein.

Matt, it’s obvious you didn’t watch the whole show. It’s also obvious the Romney’s are givers, not takers. On the otherhand, it’s obvious the Obama’s are takers. I’ll bet Ann Romney won’t waste $10 million/year of tax payers money on vacations. If Obama is re-elected American tax payers can expect to pay over $40 million for Michelle’s vacations for the next 4 years.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2029615/Michelle-Obama-accused-spending-10m-public-money-vacations.html
God Bless America and remove Barrack and Michelle Obama from office in November, if not sooner!

So… you’d rather continue on with Obama? Who refuses to work with a bi-partisan congress, whose own budget was voted down by a democratic senate 97-0 (!!!) who disdains Camp David as beneath him, leads from behind in foreign affairs, has run up trillions in debt, prefers to write policy papers rather than govern and does a run around Congress whenever it suits him? That’s the definition of insanity!

Why backwards? That implies that you are “forward”…sounds like pride to me…hmmm…what for?

And I’m guessing you’re elevating yourself to a “higher status” than you assigned to this man…hmmm…

Again this is why I asked to see a copy of a your law degree. You have no legs to stand on friend. What is your highest level of education?? Do you realize there is only one section in the Constitution on treason and none of it mentions anything you just stated.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War
against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and
Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony
of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attained.

That is from the good ole Constitution. Now I know you are going to counter with “Obama has given comfort to out enemies.” In the Constitution enemy refers to a nation you are at war with, not a country you dislike because they live life differently. Sorry but in order to further this conversation I am going to need to at least see a copy of your high school diploma. I refuse to argue with an uninformed child.

And Obama is suite to be President? What a joke. Obama is the most corrupt and despicable President this country has ever had. Wake up before it’s too late. Obama is a Communist Muslim whose goal is to destroy America. Please go see movie 2016 and watch this video before you vote in Novembr? http://www.westernjournalism.com/the-unvetted-obamas-communist-roots-and-mentor/

Haha that is the most ridiculous set of facts ever!! Did you hear that directly from the Koch brothers themselves. I read your article. Isn’t the Daily Mail the UK version of National Inquirer? Nice try champ.

So you are telling me that it would not be treason for people tp peacefully petition their respective state to separate from the Union? I did not get a copy of your law degree either. But I am amzed that you would want it since we can’t seem to even get the normal college records from obama. By the way does obama have a degree in economics? No. So using your own standard, obama would not be qulified to speak about the economy let alone being taken seriously about his opinions on it. But then his failure in handling the economy is proof enough that he has no degree in it. LOL

It’s obvious you didn’t watch the show or you wouldn’t make that statement. Why can’t people see Obama for who he really is? Please watch this video and go see movie 2016 before you vote for Obama again. http://www.westernjournalism.com/the-unvetted-obamas-communist-roots-and-mentor/

IN THE DAYS, PEOPLE BELIEVES LIES RATHER THAN THE TRUTH! A PERSON LIKE MITT, HAS GOOD CHARACTER AND SHOWS GREAT LEADERSHIP BY SERVING OTHERS IS OFTEN OVERLOOKED. OBAMA ON THE OTHER HADN, LIE HIS WAY THROUGH EVERYTHING AND YET COME OUT AHEAD. WHT IS WRONG WITH AMERICANS AS A NATION? NO WONDER WE ARE WHERE WE ARE!! OBAMA HAS NO MORALS AND DOESN’T PRACTICE WHAT HE BELIEVES IF HE IS TRULY A CHRISTIAN AS HE CLAIMED TO BE.

Haha why should he submit college records when Mitt Romney won’t even release his tax records, which is something every prospective president has done? Seems like he has something to hid to me. Enjoy your ignorance.

You oughtta stasy in places like Syracuse or the Bay area where you would feel more comfortable.

First of all dummy. Romney released his records in the past standards that are well established. obama has not. FACT

Here’s the thing, those who say Republicans are idiots are right. Those who say Democrats are idiots are also correct. You see, the problem is, we have this thing called the national debt. It is generally ignored in politics and they push the budget issue. The US budget is higher than the taxes we pay in. Republicans generally raise taxes or leave them alone for the middle and lower classes and lower them for the upper class. Democrats do the opposite. Either way, we’re spending more than we are making. Since the debt keeps increasing and interest keeps compounding it will become more and more impossible to get out of debt. As the debt continues to climb, the government will have to continually ask the Federal Reserve to print more money. As the Fed prints money, the value of that money decreases. The federal minimum wage will have to increase to keep up with inflation or the lower class will continue to grow exponentially. Neither of the main two parties are worried about this.

Sure the economy today is important, and nobody wants their money to be taken away to pay for things that they do not want. Do you want your children or grandchildren to be sub servant to scheme of debt and inflation?

Who cares what Mitt “might” have done as a private citizen. His record as Governor of Massachusetts is what’s important, not Beck’s little side show of irrelevant things.

Glenn does not reveal “the real Mitt Romney”, he reveals himself as a political hack for Romney. Romney has implemented socialism on the State level along with parts of UN Agenda 21. Beck is not only ok with that but in another thread he tries to equate George Washington to Romney. This is the same as the Democrats comparing Obama to Ronald Reagan and Abraham Lincoln. Neither Obama nor Romney are worthy of being compared to these great Presidents; and these great Presidents do not deserve to be maligned by being compared to these charlatans.

For all of those who do not grasp the meaning of “RINO”, it means Republican-In-Name-Only. Mitt Romney is a RINO and therefore not a Republican but a wolf in sheep’s clothing. There is no Republican running in this election, you have two Democrats (Obama and Romney) running and one Libertarian (Gary Johnson was a recent Republican until he left because of the corruption in both major parties.)

Obama and Romney represent what has now become the status quo in this country, which is the decline of America. If anybody would like to refute that charge then please provide one of their policies that says other wise. All of Romney’s proposals do not cut spending anywhere enough to make us solvent once again. He only cuts a little around the edges just enough to make people think he is a Republican. What difference does it make if you are 20 trillion dollars in debt or 50 trillion? When you are bankrupt….. you are bankrupt.

Our Founding Fathers had real moral courage and principles. They had the courage to stand up to Tyranny and pledge their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor to defeating it. At this point in time all that is asked of you is to vote. If we continue down this path of the lesser of two evils, civil war will soon be upon us all because free men continued to vote out of fear and not principle.

“A general Dissolution of Principles & Manners will more surely overthrow the
Liberties of America than the whole Force of the Common Enemy. While the People are
virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their Virtue they will be
ready to surrender their Liberties to the first external or internal Invader. How
necessary then is it for those who are determin’d to transmit the Blessings of
Liberty as a fair Inheritance to Posterity, to associate on publick Principles
in Support of publick Virtue.”

“If ever the Time should come, when vain & aspiring Men shall possess the highest
Seats in Government, our Country will stand in Need of its experienced Patriots to
prevent its Ruin.”
- Both quotes by Samuel Adams

So quickly do people forget Romney’s lies and attacks during the primaries. Heck, it was Romney’s campaign that did their best to sabotage Palin in 08 against Obama. Keith Maddon, Romney’s top adviser NOW, was on CNN on the eve of the election calling Palin an unfit bimbo. It was Romney’s camp within McCain’s camp that spread the stuff about Palin being a diva. So Beck wants me to believe a bunch of people I do not know, over what I saw myself throughout the campaigns? Indeed, I see it all throughout Romney’s lying career. The man lies like he breathes and is an enemy to our cause.

@Craig Machine, Dont throw away your vote your country does not deserve another 4 yrs of Obama and a vote for anyone else but Romney in this election is a vote for Obama… No one will disagree with you about the founding fathers, But as can see Romney’s characters and honor is unquestionable that he would think about others and not himself as Obama would.

The comment from the Cardinal as well as everyone else in this panel clearly states that. And that comes from people who Romney served and he didn’t go around telling people about it. Obama has been in Office for 4 yrs and we know what he’s capable of doing. Romney won’t go around tooting his horn because he has characters. And we know what he did in MA when he was a Governor . I guess if you’re blinded by your own ideology There’s nothing that can be done about that.

I just hope that our country can servive another 4 yrs when it goes to Obama if we the people don’t wake up.

Why are you putting the kids in this ? Take it up with Beck,
so what if Beck didn’t like Mitt’s agenda…no one is wrong about obama either, the guy is a liar. And, there are decent human beings on the face of the earth, and so as evil…your guy chose to be evil,
that’s right, it’s good to admit you’re wrong and try to do good. Didn’t Santorium said, if he looses, he will support the candidate that’ll win the primary, anybody other than obama!! Nobody’s perfect! Move on!

While I am sure he is a relatively decent guy, just look at these examples to see one major problem. The man is morally good because he gives large sums of money, the man is good at business because he invests large sums of money, he did well in the primaries partly because he had large sums of money… do you see the problem forming? If you have large sums of money life (including helping others) just isn’t quite as difficult.

That leads us to problem number two. I can understand wanting to turn Romney into a bootstraps and bibles republican, but he isn’t, he was arguably the most moderate candidate in the republican primaries. As governor he increased regulations (including environmental regulation), fought to increase the minimum wage, and talked about how public investment in private companies could stimulate the economy. It wasn’t just Romney-Care, this guy is a moderate in a tea party costume.

So, if you like the guy for who he is, then you need to like him for who he is (i know that’s a confusing sentence). The fact is we will get a moderate either way. Glen wasn’t wrong about Romney before, he’s fooling himself now. When will he admit that? After the election I assume.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/28/us/politics/mitt-romney-pulled-in-2-directions-over-economy.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp

I see that you cannot offer anything of substance to support your claims that Romney is all that or that he will do anything to get us out of the crisis we face today.

“No one will disagree with you about the founding fathers, But as can see Romney’s characters and honor is unquestionable that he would think about others and not himself as Obama would.”

What does that say about you? You agree that the Founding Fathers are correct but don’t heed their advice. I seriously doubt you grasp what their words truly mean. Furthermore, Romney’s character and honor is very questionable and so is yours and everybody else on that panel for making such an absurd statement. Since you claim to know Romney’s record as Governor, I won’t bother to list all his contradictions to your talking points. But! I am more than happy to start listing them if you “forgot” his record and need to be reminded.

“I guess if you’re blinded by your own ideology There’s nothing that can be done about that.”

Do you people ever stop and listen to what you say? The ideology of our Founding Fathers have blinded me from voting for your Statist/Collectivist candidate? It has not blinded me but opened my eyes, it is your lack of principles that has blinded you to reality.

My vote is for whom I cast it for and not for who you say it does. You people are the ones not only voting for a proven Progressive RINO but promoting the lie that he is “Severely Conservative” and a man of character and honor.

“Four legs good, two legs bad! baaaaaa baaaaaa”
-The Sheep from “Animal Farm”

Romney omits the truth too. LDS is NOT TRUE!! Will not vote for either Obama or Romney. I have issue with his false theology of LDS. Jesus and Satan were not brothers. Heaven is not a planet called Kolob. You don’t baptize for the dead. Satan is not the head of the Christian church. The fact is LDS is an abomination, not the Church. Stop blaspheming the bride of Christ!

knew Romney as a stake president? That’s mormon rank, not Catholic. Glenn knows better. Just character, just being a good person does not make a difference to the Lord.John 14:6, Galatians 1:8 and 9!

Too white for me!

so they talk about baptism for the dead in proxy? What about their opinion of the Christian Church? How about God having sex with the virgin Mary? About how Jesus had kids and was married? Or how many goddess wives God has? Just crazy theology that has been debunked by acedemia. The Archaeologists , anthropologists and egyptologists have proven biblical events like the flood, the baylonian captivity and the time of Christ, but have NEVER conclusively proven the book of mormon and have discredited the DOC book of Abraham.

What cause?

What does decency, hard work, ethical stance and caring for all, not just small special interest factions do to hurt America?

With all that said, I’d say that he is still far, far better for America than Obama.

The conservative one. Mitt is a progressive and works against conservatives in his own party.

I think it doesn’t matter. When it comes down to it, neither party has a legitimate economic plan to deal with the debt. It’s all smoke and mirrors. The economic collapse is inevitable. If the Republicans are lucky, it’ll happen under Obama before the end of the year. If they aren’t, it’ll happen under Romney, and we’ll get the blame.

Excellent post. If only the media would report the real history on Obama.

Damn you’re a fool. NO, Obama and gangster Liberals are killing this country and he could are less who he takes down with it. He is a worthless mf.

Wow, John Steele, tell me more about my own religion. You have completely debunked everything I have ever known. Except that you forget to mention that every one of those preposterous things you just stated have NEVER been official Mormon Doctrine. EVER!!! Yes you can find quotes of famous Mormons expressing those opinions (and I stress opinions) and you magically think that the Church believes that. If you take ANY religion (Yes, ANY. Name one and I’ll find an answer for you if you can’t do it yourself) where members of that religion expressed opinions that weren’t church doctrine. If you would really like to know what Mormon’s believe, ask the Mormon missionaries. They voluntarily (aka, without pay…in fact we have to pay) give up1.5-2 years of their life to preach the gospel. No spin, no flub, no lies. I would not have spent that much time (or even close to that amount of money) to go out and “trick” people into becoming Mormons. That’s not what its about. Its all about what we believe, and that’s it. After the conversation, if you don’t believe the same, that’s fine. Just tell them politely that you are no longer interested. Done.

Why would you say that to Jennifer? I hope you feel better after ranting and putting her down. She has done nothing to hurt you, yet you spend as much time as you can ridiculing her and putting her down. What good does that do for you, or for America. Its ok to have different opinions. (In fact, I disagree with her on a couple of her statements), but do it with civility. More than anything right now, (including more jobs, more medical help/reform, more/less abortions, more/less gay marriages) I think America needs more civility. Once we can get people to openly talk about the issues, rather than bring up any BS or anger statements, progress will happen, for conservatives, moderates, and liberals.

@John Steele prefers the pro-abortionist,baby killer to remain in power! I would much rather prefer to disagree with someone like Romney over things he might believe that might not necessarily be true than to support someone whose beliefs actually get over 1.5 million babies in the womb murdered each year! We’re not voting for the book of Mormon, moron!

And what is your cause Mexican (and yes I can call you that because I am one) … more cheese, birthcontrol, abortions and food stamps? Wake up raza, Obama doesn’t care about you but that you’re a vote! We have to turn around our raza’s “freebie” mentality. Our parents didn’t have it! We’ve been duped! Wake up!

I am a Reagan Conservative and would vote for anyone BUT Obama. To say, let’s let Obama win (like I’ve heard some conservatives and Ron Paul supporters say) so he can take the blame when everything collapses is like saying, let’s let the Titanic sink and then everyone will know it wasn’t unsinkable! If you can save it why not try! Your defeatist attitude is what the Democrats and the liberals are counting on! Romney/Ryan 2012!!!

Gee, that sounds just like Obama, doesn’t it?

Here are some opinions of Joseph Smith in Mormon scripture and history, as found on the LDS official website:

On Christian denominations:
“I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt…” Joseph Smith- Histories Vol. 1

On god(s) having a body of flesh and blood, same as us:

” 22 The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.” D&C 130:22

On angels being forbidden godhood, but good Mormons may achieve that exaltation to eternally produce spirit children through celestial sex:

17 For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are angels of God forever and ever. —- 19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever. 20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them. D&C 132: 17, 19-20

On celestial Polygamy for an eternity of lives directed to Emma Smith.

“54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and cleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an hundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of eternal lives in the eternal worlds. D&C 132:54-55

On God once being a man:

“On the other hand, the whole design of the gospel is to lead us onward and upward to greater achievement, even, eventually, to godhood. This great possibility was enunciated by the Prophet Joseph Smith in the King Follet sermon (see Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 342-62); and emphasized by President Lorenzo Snow. It is this grand and incomparable concept: As God now is, man may become!”- Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, General Conference, October 1994

Spencer Kimball is on record as saying:”We remember the numerous scriptures which, concentrated in a single line, were said by a former prophet, Lorenzo Snow: ‘As man is, God once was; and as God is, man may become.’ This is a power available to us as we reach perfection and receive the experience and power to create, to organize, to control native elements. How limited we are now! We have no power to force the grass to grow, the plants to emerge, the seeds to develop.” – Spencer W. Kimball, General Conference, April 1977

No spin, no flub, no lies. Just straight out the teachings of the LDS which confirm everything the other guy wrote. Looks like you need to study your Mormonism a little better.

Oh, a good example on science and linguists debunking Mormonism. The Book of Abraham was purchased from a travelling mummy show and translated by Joseph Smith. Egyptologists in the sixties translated the original papyri of Smith and confirmed they were standard Egyptian burial rites dealing with Osirus.

The more I get to know Romney, the more impressed and respect I have for him. He is a truly down to earth person with strong principles, values, business and leadership skills. I know from studying astrology that Pisces are very compassionate towards others and one of the most likable personalities among all signs and getting to know him better on a more personable level through these personal experiences is certainly reassuring that voting for him is a very good decision as being the ideal candidate to get this country back on the track towards economic prosperity. These experiences truly show his genuine character and his compassionate nature towards the well being and prosperity of others as he’s raised and instilled those important principles of hard work, responsibility and charity in offering assistance to others in their time of need. That’s exactly the type of attitude and leadership that this country desperately needs.

@facebook-741020780:disqus … and to you ObamaBot!

If you’re not a liberal by age 25, you don’t have a heart; if you’re still a liberal by age 35 you have no brain!!!

It’s not defeatist. It is simply reality. In the long run, Romney will destroy the conservative movement and reverse all of our gains. The reason being that he cannot and will not fix the real problems facing the country, and because he will cement the GOPe and the ‘good parts’ of ObamaCare and other thefts of our liberty. Conservatives will be supressed, and already are, the evidence being in the rule changes forced upon us during the convention that crowned Mitt savior and ruler of the GOP.

You rat, I am an American and always have been an American. Up yours you RINO prick. Only a moral degenerate would call themselves a ‘Mexican,” and then start in with ‘cheese, birth control, abortions and food stams.” (it’s a nationality for one!) and how dare you apply it to me. Go bow before the altar of the GOPe and say that nonsense as they betray you and the country.

Is that another way of saying that Mitt stands up for what HE believes instead of what the party tells him he should believe? That’s a good thing in my book!

No, that’s another way of saying Mitt Romney is a liar who has been lying about what he believes to betray the base of the party on behalf of the Party Elite. That’s a really bad thing in my book.

While we reply with short, succinct comments you say that WE ‘get up in arms.’ You are the one running on and on with all your false claims and crazy ideas. WE, on the other hand, realize that you are an idiot and not worth much of our time.

Excuse me, but why would we seriously expect a candidate to reveal any previous documents when not only has Obama refused to reveal his, he has spent mega-bucks getting them sealed so we cannot see them. Gee, that sounds like someone with nothing to hide.

perfect reply…thanks Matt, you are awsome

right on TJefferson…..

You are absolutley RIGHT

I just love your statement John… You are so right…..God bless you and God bless America…..Mitt Romney. our next President…

Sad that Glenn, a man I used to trust, instead of talking about how both Obama AND Romney support MORE war, MORE inflation, and LESS freedoms, is talking about what a “nice guy” Romney is??? REALLY? We don’t have more important things to discuss?

How about your JUDGING someones HEART as God does?
How about whether you are a sinner or not? After all — “IT IS WRITTEN…”
ALL have sinned and come short.
Perhaps — a little mirror placed on YOUR HEART can do a world of good… for yourself.

How can you call yourself pro-life when you’re supporting a candidate who has stated he would be even MORE of a pro-war candidate than Obama is! How can someone be pro-life and support someone who doesn’t feel that the millions of innocent women and children slaughtered during these recent preemptive wars is worth ending? All life is precious but you’re placing more importance on babies in the womb vs grown human conscious human beings with established lives who have loved ones who are hurt by their murder? I think your priorities are just a little off.

Completely disagree, Dan. How can you say he’s far better than Obama when he openly supports all the things that we hate about Obama? Seriously — what are we getting that’s any better? Both have openly stated that they wish to drive us over the cliff.

HAHAHAHA That’s cute that you actually believe Romney supports something different than Obama! Wake up, you sheep!

Rising grocery prices, rising gas prices, rising electrical costs, etc — that’s cute that you let Glenn herd you around like a sheep instead of talking about WHY those prices are rising — have you ever heard of inflation or know who the Federal Reserve is and what they do? Or that they’ve presided over a 98% devaluation of our dollar since taking control of our monetary supply (which the Constitution states Congress should maintain control over, yet won’t even vote on a full audit of the Fed)? And you’re going to vote for ROMNEY, the guy who openly supports the Federal Reserve (just like Obama)? You’re going to vote for a guy you don’t want just so you can vote out a guy you don’t want?

BRILLIANT! Continue the mindless sheeple mentality… surely it’ll eventually work one of these centuries, right? RIGHT???

You’re sort of on track here — you can thank the Federal Reserve for printing money out of thin air to fuel Congress’s drunken sailor spending on war and murder. You can also thank the Federal Reserve for the inflation you mentioned so we should be talking about that as it’s the real root of the problem… not minimum wage… not drilling for oil… not rising prices… Prices generally haven’t changed — it just takes more dollars to buy the same product since our dollar weakens with every one the Federal Reserve just prints out of thin air.

Look at everyone here arguing about Romney being a nice guy or better than Obama even though he openly supports everything we hate about Obama… just like they’re suppose to – just like good little lemmings. Keep talking about mindless petty things instead of war, inflation, and the Federal Reserve…

What innocent women and children were slaughtered during preemptive wars? If you are going to make an insinuation like this that America is slaughtering innocent women and children, you better have the proof to back it up. Or did you believe the rhetoric spread by the current administration?

Mitt Romney has always been my choice. For me it’s a no brainer. I don’t know why some people fail to see that he is the right man for the job.

Baker…..you need to wake up. Romney has stated MANY times that PEACE IS ACHIEVED THROUGH STRENGTH…..and he is right! Look at the middle east this last week! Obama’s apology tour has painted us as a weak country from whom they have nothing to fear……and now they are acting like it!

To your questions, Yes we do baptism for the dead, It is in the bible. I can’t quote the verse but I have read it. As for the Christian Church we ARE Christians, The very name of our church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. nuff said. We have not had revelation on how Christ was created, we do know that it was through direct power of God the Father through the Holy Ghost. There is NO doctrinal reference to Christ having kids or being married. And yes there are small references to a Heavenly Mother, but She is not being worshiped or prayed to. She is only mentioned because of the Holy union of Marriage in the Eternal meaning. Using science to explain the mysteries of God is always going to be a disappointing thing for you. If you are looking for “proof” of God, you only have to look in the mirror. He created you, he knows you and loves you. Just because you have rejected him doesn’t mean that He has rejected you.

Did I misunderstand something, or did you just compare killing innocent, helpless babies in the womb to soldiers killing terrorists to protect the civilians that they target? No one who supports wars supports the needless killing of anyone. However the fact remains that sometimes we must kill those who are bent on killing – because it is the only way to stop them! The fact is that wars are ironically an evil necessity, imperative to keep the measure of peace we have – because there really are evil people in the world. But babies in the womb haven’t done anything to deserve death! I don’t vote for outright war-mongers, as Senator McCain seemed to be. But neither can we afford limp-wristed cowards that would sell us to the terrorists for a song and joke! Terrorists are bullies. They have to be stood up to. They will never be reasoned out of their madness. Someone must take a firm hand with them. We need leadership that is not afraid to do that. for what it’s worth.

Matt, I don’t know much about the Mormon religion, but I think you are right about a couple of things – that most of the denominational institutions under the title of “Church” have doctrinal issues – as far as lining up with Scriptures go, none of us have it all right, or have the market cornered on Truth! But whatever religious persuasion one is now is the time for those who believe in G-d to come together in unity for righteousness – and to vote out those who would pervert righteousness for the destruction of this Nation! We must work together to put a stop to this before it is too late. Thanks for posting.

I’m confused, have you seen the middle east lately? have you seen Obama’s policies in action–how have they helped “keep the peace”? I fully believe in peace through strength–not peace through apology and appeasment, b/c clearly that never works. no one wants war. but we’re not going to all sit around and sing Kum by ya with terrorists who hate us.

Obama is not the greatest leader, he is very green in many ways. Congress needs systematic structural and behavior changes to work in a constitutionally acceptable way. But Romney is the subject not Obama. As Govern Romnany and earlier in his political career Romney was way moire to the left as Obama. If the world spun truly, Romney would have made a better democrat candidate.

Romney is a Liberal, pretending to be conservative.

You’re assuming Mormonism is a denomination of Christianity. Mormonism was the Scientology of its day, and is today the poor man’s Scientology. Getting cleansed from body thetans sent from Xenu is more expensive than wearing the underwear and learning the handshakes and paying the tithes necessary to ascend to the Celestial heaven and become a god, just like God the Father once did on Planet Kolob.

The Romneys spend hundreds of thousands on horse dancing.

um, most of them lied, or at least distorted at best…this is what I hate about politics–everyone in the primaries is saying terrible things about each other–including Gingrich, Santorum, Paul, Cain, Perry, etc. and then in the end they all act all nice to each other. what? I fact checked all of them and found Romney was one of the most honest. I guess it’s all about seeing things how you want to see them. I didn’t always like Romney so I wasn’t bias for or against him. I was indifferent so I just wanted the truth. I have researched Romney till my brain was going to explode. This man is a decent man who has helped many people out of the goodness of his heart. Wish you could see it. Many things have been twisted on him and taken out of context in his record, and yes like Reagan I believe he has become more conservative over time.

he openly supports all the things we hate about Obama? are you kidding me? the man couldn’t be more different. is he perfect, of course not. but I’ll take capitalism over communism any day. how has Romney openly stated he wishes to drive us over a cliff? That makes no sense. Romney’s fiscal and economic policies are totally different than Obama’s. you must be a Ron Paul supporter.

Wow…a little bigoted are we?

1. Communist- Lie! He is the fairly elected and standing leader of a free nation.
2. Muslim- Lie! He is Christian. Also, Communists don’t believe in religion which makes “Communist Muslim” an even dumber comment.
3. Worst President ever? Lie! Why bigots like you insist upon trivializing history in order to bash the President will always baffle me.

Thanks for the link, but I won’t use it because a bigot like you is exactly the type of person who would send a virus!

I hope your right. But His life experience, and his story doesn’t make be believe he’d look out for the interest of everyone-the poor and meek. The honor system doen’t work in american politics, he made alot of promises to select groups who I beleive he would put the general welfare before. I hope you right though.

when you say outlandish things like that nobody will take you seriously. you are as bad as Obama supporters, you worship Ron Paul as if he is the only hope for America. Why don’t you spend time praying for our country more b/c only God can turn this country around. We are not to put our hopes all in one man–however God can work through our leaders, so I suggest you start praying for all our leaders more. Romney has a lot of conservative values and he’s steering in the right direction. He’s a lot more like Reagan than people realize–except he will cut the deficit. don’t believe me? this man hates waste and inneficiency and will slash more than you think. just wait…he just can’t reveal it all now b/c he will lose the election if he shares specifics.

Obamas not my boy, hes a public servant. Romey and the republican party has the least inclusive coallition of interest. I don’t believe Romney will serve the public well. /he will serve his community, not the greater good. Obama was willing to lose the house to expand healthcare-aka the greater good. . . I hated the result of his push, but like the sentiment.

Romney doesn’t openly support the federal reserve. he’s for having them audited. and there was just a vote in the House to audit the fed…obviously it didn’t pass the senate thanks to democrats. but progress is being made about exposing the fed and more people are talking about it now. it’s more corrupt right now than ever before with Bernanke at the helm. Romney would have him fired if elected. have we ever had this kind of printing of money? QE3? Romney and Ryan are against printing more money and know that it affects the soundness of our currency. the fed will never be gotten rid of–you are dreaming if you think so. do you really think that a president who takes on the fed will not have their lives threatened? they have too much power, although maybe their power can be lessened. but Reagan tried to take on the fed. heck, even JFK did–makes you wonder. George W. Bush tried to–but was quietly put in his place. I have heard story after story about how hard it is to deal with the fed without “consequences.” you try and become president and see how easy it is to deal with the powers that be without being “put in your place” or taken out–you think I’m joking? you have no idea the power there is behind the scenes. hopefully if enough people get on board about dealing with the fed, more people can speak out about it and it would be harder to target any one individual for taking on the fed. and no I’m not a conspiracy theorist.

Obama would sell out his party for the greater good of america. Mcain and Romney are not good presidential pics for the republican party. They are secret Liberals.

We as LDS are ask not make disparaging statements about other Religions, or how others believe. it is your choice not ours.

Like obama is betarying us with islamic muslims.

And we can only IMAGINE what kind of things Mitt Romney is hiding in his tax returns! (lets ignore the fact that we still haven’t even seen Obama’s BIRTH CERTIFICATE!)

The common denominator amongst religious cults tends to be the use of the same language as Christianity, but with vastly different definition. This is true of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christian Scientists, the Mormons and so on and so forth. For example. the “Jesus” of Mormonism is not the Eternal God, from everlasting to everlasting, who is one with the Father and the Holy Spirit. He is a created being, a literal son of god and spirit brother of Lucifer. As for the lie that you have not had “revelation” about how Jesus Christ was created. I do not understand why Mormons these days continue to deceive non-Mormons on what the LDS teaches. If I go to a Mormon forum, your messages would be very different.

The D&C chapters 130 and 132 deal with God the Father and the Son having “tangible bodies,” as well as detailing how the angels cannot become gods, but good Mormons can, not to mention promises of adding “wives, children” and so on and so forth to these newly made god-men. I can find statements by your current Prophet as recently as a few years ago publicly repeating the quote “As man now is, God once was. As God now is, man shall become.” Though, for some odd reason, he lied about knowing anything about it in interviews he gave around that time. I hear Mormons call it “Milk before meat.” Once they suck you in, then they reveal these “deeper truths” that are plainly available on the LDS website I suppose. The LDS is very clear on its position about the origin of Jesus Christ, and the fact that you would even claim ignorance about where Christ came from is evidence of the doctrine itself. Any orthodox Christian group would declare that Christ is God, and has always been God. Only the Mormons pretend that the God who came from “everlasting to everlasting,” as Psalm 90 and other scriptures teach, was actually a Mormon man who died and became the creator of our particular world and/or solar system. Though, Smith and Young are both on record claiming there were Mormons living on the surface of the moon and on the sun too.

The LDS certainly does disparage other religions. Specifically, the entirety of Christianity. The premise of the LDS is that the Christian Church is an abomination, and that God needed to “restore” the lost Gospel that no one else has to Joey Smith, who was once arrested for “stone peeping.” (The act of using occult means to look for gold deposits. Specifically, he claimed he could look at stones in his hat which would reveal to him the location of gold deposits deep within the Earth.)

The only problem with this is that the LDS these days is very media minded. It does NOT tell the truth about what they actually believe to Non-Mormons. They are using their money to present a false image of normalcy in order to attract more believers and power.

OBAMA = early birth abortion /murder / baby killing =liberals / Obama = INEPTOCRACY ! Obama 1 war + kill list = killed Americans ! Romney how many has he killed ? 0 . How many WARS ? 0 How many did he say he would start ? 0

Obama / liberals = INEPTOCRACY ! Obama VOTERS = INEPTOCRACY !

Obama supporters + Obama = INEPTOCRACY

Obama / Voters = INEPTOCRACY

LIBERALS / Obama = INEPTOCRACY ! Enough said !

There has never been a worldwide flood as depicted in the bible.

Have you ever actually read the Book of Mormom? Have you ever actually gone to a Church meeting? Its all well and good to toss around anti LDS stuff but you don’t see our presidency trying to force anything. THey invite. You have a whole bushel load of hate going on there.. So sorry for you, May God bless

OOPS,, We Believe in God the Eternal Father, AND in his Son Jesus Christ, AND in the Holy Ghost..THREE separate individuals that work together as one, THIS is one of the reasons that the main stream Christian churches do not accept that we are christian because the believe in the TRIUNE God, that was determined to be who was necessary when Constantine insisted that they many numerous religious sects figure things out and MAKE ONE church to stem the continual infighting.. which is the reason that the LDS church also believes in the bible as far as it is translated correctly..some stuff was left out or changed because when KING JAMES had it translated there was a bit of, dare I say coercion or fear to keep HIM happy.. Revelation was snuck in, it wasn’t even supposed to be in the bible, at least that is one of the many stories out there about it.. AGAIN interesting information you post. stuff we have heard before. For the truly faithful it makes no difference because we know for ourselves the truth.. I find it so interesting that you have made this about Mitts Religion.. HE is not running on his religion but his merrit as a man. Take away the NAME of his religion and what do you have? THAT is what is important.

The results of a person’s actions up to now, whether on or off camera, should be our top concern. How much has Obama contributed to his fellow man? He hasn’t made my life better after all those lofty but empty words! Milk is almost as expensive now as gas, is that a good thing? Are high gas prices better or worse for business expansion? Has Obama wasted our millions on his crazy ideas? Has he done “end runs” on actions he shouldn’t have? Yes.
Does he have horrible people as his heroes? yes. Was he really born in the US? Who knows? And on and on, not a person to emulate!

You’re so wrong.

I am going to vote for class not the ass.

Have I ever actually read the Book of Mormon? That must be a trick question. Most of the anti-LDS stuff you just bashed me for was straight from the LDS website. So sorry for you, but it’s quite sad to see Mormons find the truth and their own teachings so hateful. Let’s get the Apostle Paul’s opinion on LDS theology while we’re at it:

Gal 1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: (7) Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. (8) But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. (9) As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Thanks for that honesty. Just a few days ago a Mormon told me they believe in the trinity and the Holy Bible absolutely, and was calling me hateful for claiming otherwise. As for your nonsense about King James mucking up the Bible. I have over 5,000 manuscripts of the New Testament dating as far back as the time of the Apostles to appeal to. Mormons have a Book translated from golden plates no one has ever analyzed (except the Book of Mormon papyri, which were determined by Egyptologists to have nothing to do with Abraham). that they have edited more than 3,000 times. Heck, it was wrong from stage one, as Smith’s earlier versions had Nephi giving him the plates instead of Moroni, and less impressive tales of meeting the “personages” in the forest who told him Christianity was an abomination.

if you don’t want Mormonism discussed, then tell your Mormon buddies to stop claiming it is something that it isn’t and to stop lying about Mormon theology.

Thanks for that honesty. Just a few days ago a Mormon told me they believe in the trinity and the Holy Bible absolutely, and was calling me hateful for claiming otherwise. As for your nonsense about King James mucking up the Bible. I have over 5,000 manuscripts of the New Testament dating as far back as the time of the Apostles to appeal to. Mormons have a Book translated from golden plates no one has ever analyzed (except the Book of Mormon papyri, which were determined by Egyptologists to have nothing to do with Abraham). that they have edited more than 3,000 times. Heck, it was wrong from stage one, as Smith’s earlier versions had Nephi giving him the plates instead of Moroni, and less impressive tales of meeting the “personages” in the forest who told him Christianity was an abomination.

if you don’t want Mormonism discussed, then tell your Mormon buddies to stop claiming it is something that it isn’t and to stop lying about Mormon theology.

It’s really easy to take any of those things out of context as you have done. Why don’t you try doing the same thing with any number of scriptures from the Old Testament? Taking single verses from the Bible can justify everything from murder to slavery if taken separately. You have to look at the whole thing.

As for a Mormon not telling you these things, does the phrase “milk before meat” ring a bell? You don’t start with the deepest doctrines. You start with the basic Doctrine that Jesus is the Savior and Redeemer of the world. And we don’t respond to people who have already made up their minds and are just being belligerent. If someone honestly has a question they want answered, that’s not a problem.

So though the scriptures you referenced do talk about similar topics as mentioned above, they by no means back up anything John Steele claimed to know.
In fact, there is not a single doctrine Mormons have that is refuted in the Bible. Other denominations may have their own interpretations that disagree, but those are interpretations, not actual Biblical doctrine. And we’ve got just as much right to read the Bible as any of the other hundreds of Christian sects do. Just because your interpretation is different than ours doesn’t mean you’re right. And fortunately, we have many other sources of God’s word, not just one source that has be edited and re-translated dozens of times over thousands of years.

Finally, you’re claim about the Egyptian scrolls . . . pure bunk. It would be really hard for Egyptologists in the 60′s to have translated scrolls that have not been available for over 150 years. You’re simply spreading malicious rumors and gossip because you can’t stand having other people disagree with you.

Yeah, and YOUR idea of God didn’t exist until 300 years AFTER Christ lived. The whole trinity nonsense didn’t exist until the Nicene and Athenasian counsels “voted” on what the doctrine should be. . . . . funny, I’ve always thought God reveals his doctrine himself through his prophets; seems odd that your doctrine came about by some Romans and a bunch of highly paid priests voting on what would be best for them to preach.

There are at least 3 instances in the Bible when God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are all present at the same place in 3 separate and distinct bodies, so how you believe in this nonsense of a 3-in-one God that is 3 but is only 1 and doesn’t have body, parts, or passions but is big enough to fill the universe but small enough to dwell in a human heart I’ll never know. That’s not the Heavenly Father I worship, sounds a lot more like the unknown and unknowable God of the pharisees and sorcerers of the Bible.

So keep in mind that your beliefs or interpretations of scripture are not necessarily the beliefs and truths that Christ revealed.

You don’t know what you’re talking about. The Egyptian papyri have been available for a long time now. They did indeed go missing temporarily, but were found to be in the collection of a museum and were acknowledged by the LDS. So it happened that Egyptologists, with the permission of the LDS, examined the papyri and concluded they had nothing to do with the Book of Abraham.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Abraham#CITEREFCook_and_Smith2010

As for the Bible not contradicting anything about Mormonism. Well, here’s the first obvious example of the Bible contradicting Mormonism:

From the Bible:
Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

From Mormonism:

Book of Abraham 4:3-5 And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light; and there was light. And they (the Gods) comprehended the light, for it was bright; and they divided the light, or caused it to be divided, from the darkness.
And the Gods called the light Day, and the darkness they called Night. And it came to pass that from the evening until morning they called night; and from the morning until the evening they called day; and this was the first, or the beginning, of that which they called day and night.

The Bible teaches there is only one God. Mormonism teaches there are many. In fact, it teaches that man will also ascend to godhood:

D&C 132: 19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and theekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever. 20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have callpower, and the angels are subject unto them.

Too funny . . . . where might I ask did the protestant movement come from?? Answer, from several enlightened servants of God who found discrepancies between official church doctrine and scripture. So they (Calvin, Luther, Wesley, etc.) showed that the church had gone astray and they attempted to restore the original doctrine of Christ through the protestant breakaway. Unfortunately for them (because they were inspired and enlightened) the priesthood authority of God had been lost through the Church’s corruption. And as much as they tried, they didn’t have the authority to restore God’s church. But it is an indisputable fact that the entire protestant consensus was that the Catholic church was an abomination.
So, if you’re going to Condemn the Mormon ideal that the church had to be restored, you also have to condemn the entire protestant movement for their attempting to do the same thing. What’s your position? Is the Catholic church the only true one, ruling Mormons and protestants as evil. Or is it possible that there was a corruption of doctrines?

Joseph was arrested over 70 times in his life . . . how many times was he convicted of anything??? Oh, that’s right only once. And on that occasion he was convicted of casting out an evil spirit . . . . but since the state had no law against casting out evil spirits he was cleared on that one too. So you, just like all the hundreds before you, can cast aspersions on a great man and a modern prophet of God, but you can’t prove any of your claims and your only tools are deceptions, half-truths, and spite (and those aren’t God’s tools, they belong to the other side).

But again, NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE KIND OF PERSON MITT ROMNEY IS!

Lot’s of geological evidence as well as the fact that every single civilization in the history of the world has a similar “flood” story in their folklore would strongly disagree with you there.

“our cause” . . . oh please Mr. Galvan, you’re not part of “our cause”. You are a troll. You are a liberal plant trying your best to kill support for the man who is going to take down your hero Obama. Don’t give us any of this “our cause” nonsense . . .

You better provide actual quotes for those statements if you’re going to claim they “openly stated” it. How can anyone with half a brain think Romney would continue to overspend like Obama has? The guy is an businessman, an economic genius. Yes, we may disagree with some of his programs or policies, but he is indisputably better for the economy that the status quo.

Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

Isa_48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

Wow, I wonder how much Isaiah predates your Mormon explanations? Maybe you should have your Prophet rethink the stock answer on this. Just have your prophet condemn the prophet Isaiah for mentioning there is only one God and the Trinity.

Get a clue. The Conservative congress won’t let Romney keep any of Obamacare even if he wanted to (which he doesn’t). At the very least, Romney beliefs in STATE control not in Federal control of this issue. He is NOT a progressive by any sense of the word. he may not be as conservative as the Paul supporting wacko libertarians, but he’s not progressive.

Empty accusations from someone with no evidence of anything . . . typical liberal troll

The doctrine of the trinity as currently believed is hardly universal historically, it took the catholic church centuries to agree on that, so the fact some religions may not agree with the conclusion MEN came to 100′s of years after the crucifiction is hardly surprising, And I believe his comment to u about how Christ was created was your assertion that we believe God had sex with marry, which isn’t Mormon doctrine and I haven’t ever heard expressed as an opinion by anyone, in fact the thought that a being capable of creating life from “dust” would need to physically have sex in order to impregnate a woman is pretty silly. And yes mormons believe that it is possible to become as god is, in the same way children become adults like their parents, divinization/deification isn’t unique to mormon doctrine either either.

Ricardo: for someone who obviously lays claim to doctrine that historically comes from the understanding and interpretation of MEN over centuries, it seems pretty arrogant for you to be ridiculing beliefs that were held by Christians predating your beliefs.

Joseph Smith was arrested for glass looking, and also for causing the riot that burned down the Nauvoo Expositor, a ill-fated newspaper created by Mormon dissidents who accused Smith of systematic abuses of women. Of course, he was lynched before they could put him away for the crime.
http://launiusr.wordpress.com/2011/06/29/the-nauvoo-expositor-affair/

One thing you don’t seem to realize is that Mormonism is so removed from Christianity that it cannot be described as Christian. You might as well run to the defense of Baha’i, who claim their dead leader was the second coming of Jesus Christ. There is no evidence whatsoever that supports any of the claims of Mormonism which contradict not just the Catholics and the Protestants, but the thousands and thousands of Biblical manuscripts going back to ancient times. And for what? To believe in Egyptian Papyri that Smith bought from a Mummy Show (that were debunked in the sixties) and golden plates that no one can even see? and even then the “translations” of those plates have been changed and refined over 3,000 times!

The existence of only one God, and the fact that Jesus Christ is God, are facts that are firmly established within both the Old and New Testaments.

As for not hearing the theology that God had sex with Mary. I already demonstrated that that is false in multiple posts on this thread using scripture from the LDS website. But here is more jucier stuff straight from the leaders of the LDS that they enjoy to hide from Non-Mormons:

“When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it. The Saviour was begotten by the Father of His spirit, by the same Being who is the Father of our spirits,” Brigham Young, second Prophet of the LDS (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, 1857, p. 218).

Joseph Fielding Smith, stated”The birth of the Savior was a natural occurrence unattended with any degree of mysticism, and the Father God was the literal parent of Jesus in the flesh as well as in the spirit,” (Religious Truths Defined, p. 44, as cited in the book, Mormonism: Shadow or Reality, by Gerald and Sandra Tanner, Utah Lighthouse Ministry, P.O. Box 1884, Salt Lake City, Utah 84110, bookstore at 1358 South West Temple, 1982, p. 260).Joseph Fielding Smith said, “They tell us the Book of Mormon states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost. I challenge that statement. The Book of Mormon teaches no such thing! Neither does the Bible.” (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 19).Bruce McConkie, who was a member of the First Council of the Seventy stated,”Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers,” (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, p. 547).”And Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father. There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events,…Christ is the Son of Man, meaning that his Father (the Eternal God!) is a Holy Man.” (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 742).Heber C. Kimball who was a member of the first presidency said,”In relation to the way in which I look upon the works of God and his creatures, I will say that I was naturally begotten; so was my father, and also my saviour Jesus Christ. According to the Scriptures, he is the first begotten of his father in the flesh, and there was nothing unnatural about it.” (Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 211).”The man Joseph, the husband of Mary, did not, that we know of, have more than one wife, but Mary the wife of Joseph had another husband,” (Deseret News, October 10, 1866, as cited in the book, Mormonism: Shadow or Reality, by Gerald and Sandra Tanner, Utah Lighthouse Ministry, P.O. Box 1854, Salt Lake City, Utah 84110, bookstore at 1350 South West Temple, 1982, p. 261).

You aren’t part of “our cause” either. See, you THINK you are, but you don’t realize that you’re replacing Obama with… Obama, but who is white and instead of Muslim is a Mormon. Great job, genius.

It is good that Glenn Beck is exposing who Mitt Romney really is. I believe that he should do more by organizing campaign rallies for Gov Romney.

Forgive me for calling you a dummy. It’s not Christian to do so. So I apologize for the comment. I will be satisfied to tell you that you are in error and leave it at that.

No geological evidence points to a worldwide flood as described in the bible. At one point the Earth was completely covered in water, but there was no boat with humans and two of every animal on it, and the world didn’t instantly flood and magically drain weeks later. Not every single civilization has a flood story.

Inflation… is that supposed to be a joke…. don’t you know what QE3 does to your dollar…. But i suspect you hate “Trickle-down economics”…. correct…. What principle does a stimulus package work on… did you say trickle-down economics.. hmmmm? Now since QE3 has just been approved isn’t that also a TAX on every american in the US.. or haven’t you thought that far out… Let me ask you if you take your dollar and cut it’s value in half in essence isn’t that a TAX? Has the government reached in your pocket and cut your salary by half its real value so THEY (Our Government) can spend more money.

The current definition of the trinity was debated for over 5 centuries
so your dismissive claim of what was “firmly established” by the bible is
historically naive, especially when you consider how many felt the bible
“firmly established” that the sun revolved around the earth,
the bible is in a lot of ways open to interpretation, with vagueness
and historical and cultural context differences and the inherent
inaccuracy of translation, that’s why the nature of the relationship
between God and Christ and Christ’s very nature were debated for so long
in the ancient Christian churches and involved a lot of accusations of
heresy and worse. You may want to research the history of your own
faith rather than trying to come of with criticisms of others, you may want to look up: Patripassianism, Monarchianism, Logos, Creed of Chalcedon, Cyril of Alexandria, Council of Nicaea, Christology, Sabellianism, Unitarianism, Adoptionism, Theodotus of Byzantium, Psilanthropism, Socinianism, Binitarianism, Marcionism, Docetism, Arianism, Nontrinitarianism.
Or you can simply declare that any belief that disagrees with yours is
simply heresy and invalid and ignore the fact that what you accept as
universally accepted and obvious “christian” doctrine wasn’t universal
or obvious to the fathers of Christianity or in modern times.

Did Glenn ever offer a single word of support for Romney during the primaries?

Maybe you forgot John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” does that include mormons… or Mark 9:40 “For he that is not against us is for us.” or how about romans 10:13 “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

What do you spam this to every room… no new ideas ?

Maybe if you owned businesses and understand economics it would be quite evident how his plan would create economic growth. At what point right now would you consider us on the laffer curve ?..

school records…. maybe a budget that gets more than 0 votes in the Senate and the House…. Now consider that for one minute, Obama’s budget got 0 votes with harry reid, nancy pelosi, Shela Jackson Lee, debbie wasserman.. and they didn’t vote for it….. it must have been a work of art

Interesting that the Mormon sounds just like an atheist in these kinds of discussions, and is about as knowledgeable also! (Which is to say, they aren’t knowledgeable.) You have to bring doubt on the scripture, because the scripture is indeed clear on monotheism and the divinity of Jesus Christ. It is the only way the cult of Joseph Smith can stand. That is why you give me these straw mans. And the hypocrisy of it! Complaining about what I say about Mormonism, which is founded on provable lies and dumb assertions, and then seeking to tear down the Christian religion entirely!

On the everlasting nature of God (He was never a man who became a God):

Psa 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

On the exclusivity of God:

Isa_45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

Isa_44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

On the Divinity of Jesus Christ:

Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isa_7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

On the Father and the Holy Spirit:

Isa_48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

Behold! I have done the impossible! I have found the truth of the scripture without 500 years of alleged debate, or with Joseph Smith translating the Book of Abraham from Egyptian papyri he purchased from a mummy show, that later on (a little more than a hundred years later) was debunked by Egyptologists. And, indeed, there is so much more! This is only the beginning.

Too bad you can’t do something as simple as that! LOL

No the jews annoint the dead… remember why mary went to the body of Jesus.

I don’t seem to see any mention of “trinity” or 3-in-1 anywhere in what you posted. I personally find it hard to understand peoples belief in the trinity simply because it require you to believe that Christ prayed to himself, constantly referred to himself in the third-person, referred to himself as his own father. But Christ clearly identified his own will as being separate from Gods, I don’t believe God would deliberately be obtuse or confusing to his disciples, I believe if he was God he would have clearly stated it as such, not referring to himself as the Son of God and calling God his Father.
It doesn’t say that “God so loved the world he sent Himself”.

Well lets start by discussing what is your baseline expenses per employee in your business excluding payroll and fixed costs..?

Libertarian Steve.

that’s me…. lol… i’m making friends have they asked you about it yet..

Yes sir my uncle owned a gun shop before Obamacare put him in the poor house. I don’t see why they fight God picks our leaders not man. Right now the only thing these people are doing is fighting an act of God.

I was referring to Joshua. No, no one has contacted me yet. Ha Ha Ha Ha

What’s even more absurd, despite your obvious misunderstanding and inability to comprehend the basics of what the scripture teaches, is that you would go forward from there to invent three different gods, and a legion of other mormon Gods, based on absolutely no evidence and in defiance of a mountain of evidence against it. That’s why I find Mormons, or Christian Scientists or members of Baha’i or Scientology to all be quite absurd. Their own world views do not make sense, but yet they assert everyone else is wrong.

Well i tried to reason with craig.. think the point that he can’t comprehend is that the constitution was written by consensus.. and even the bill of rights added to appease the consensus… he tries to say consensus is evil (using a Ayn Rand quote)… funny how someone can honestly believe that or mendaciously argue that point… ? which ever the case may be..

They are trying to destroy every small business in America… i would like to think this is not by design… however, it looks very much that way..
God help us all if we cannot de-thrown this marxist !!

I don’t really get these people they just have a different interruption of the Bible. I don’t agree with it in any shape or form but I am not the judge the one who sits on the white throne does and in the end we have to be right with him not man. There are people going to hell in LDS but there are also Catholics and every other church that is out there. Just going to the right Church is not enough but following Jesus as Lord and savior and that is what they do I asked many LDS plain out what Jesus was to them and they believe him to be son of God messiah of old testament. In fact you don’t view God as who he truly is it looks like your screwed. http://youtu.be/AqD_QvmDjb4 http://youtu.be/6VeawfXAgzQ

I read the whole exchange.

Amen brother…. Selah

And do you feel the constitution and bill of rights was reached by consensus or everyone walked into the room the Federealist and Anti-Federealist in total agreement…

Please share with us which church is the “Christian Church”, because anyone with even a minor understanding knows that the ancient Christians believed a wide variety of things, there were many sects, and many different understanding of “The Gospel”. Many of these difference were decided be meetings of MEN, who by their very nature are fallible, and by who had more power politically at the time within the various factions of “Christianity”, and those that didn’t step in line with these worldly decisions were excommunicated as heretics, or worse. And there isn’t any more consensus now between vastly varying “Christian” churches then there was back then. I have NO desire to destroy the Christianity of today, or the past, I believe that Christians throughout time, like all people before and since, are simple trying to answer big questions about existence and God, and as imperfect beings we stumble in our understanding of these things, and yet still thru God we can come to know His Love and find Salvation. I just find it hard to understand how ANY Christian can criticize my faith for believing things, ie: Nontrinitarianism and Divinization which many ancient Christians believed, as “Unchristian” simply due to the fact that MEN decided which was the “orthodox” belief centuries after Christ’s resurrection. And if you believe that the current belief you hold in the trinity was always universally held by all “Christians” then you either are deliberately uninformed, or have such a narrow view of Christianity that probably none of the ancient “church” would have fit your definition.

Well I don’t mean to put you on the spot…. if that is the case, i apologize

There were seventy-eight [amendments]; exclusive of Rhode Island’s twenty-one, and those demanded by the first convention in North Carolina. There were many others offered which were considered necessary as items of a Bill of Rights. Professor Ames gives 124 as the whole number, inclusive of those of Rhode Island and North Carolina and the Bills of Rights. Various of these covered the same topics.
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It took 6 years for ratification and adoption. No one agreed and many delegates walked out or refused to sign the document.

I think you should address my other posts before you repeat your same points over and over again to other of my responses to other people.

Yes and also at the signing of the Constitution 70 delegates 14-17 left and didn’t sign and i believe 4 refused to sign… (don’t hold me to the exact counts thats just off the top of my head)… So I cannot see reaching a consensus as evil… it is how everyone gets a little of what they want and others get a little of what they want…. That is a founding principle of this country…. so i find that far from “EVIL”… regardless of what ayn rand believes.. to do it any other way would be a dictatorship…

Personally I feel bad for anyone who feels they need “proof” for their faith, because under that measure no faith can last long. I do like how you completely sidestepped the question about the various reformation movements, and your subjective opinion on how “removed” Mormonism is from “Christianity” fails to address the fact many of the differences you pointed out were shared by ancient Christians as well.

A dictator would never even consider such a restricting document.

No he would take who ever disagrees outside and shot them..Sadam ring a bell…. LOL

You have no idea what you are talking about. I wasn’t proving my religion. I was disproving Mormonism. I sidestepped the issue because… it’s totally irrelevant. If Mormonism is so obviously a fraud, why would I debate with a Mormon on topics the Mormon doesn’t even understand? All you have, basically, is to insult Christianity by claiming all these denominations are confused, but yet you ignore the scripture I present, as if it does not matter, and continue to make assertions that nobody knows anything about the scripture I presented!

A good ol’ beheading in the Mid East.

Yep, I don’t mean to cause any trouble for you, i don’t know what your current standing is with these people however i wont lay down…. and they are lucky at this point that that other NEW guy Todd hasn’t resurfaced. I talked to him not to long ago…. but if this is becoming a problem let me know or if the want to go a few rounds in private i’m willing to do that too.

I don’t have a problem with anyone, even the leftist who spew their garbage all over the WWW.

OK… just wanted to make sure before the gloves come off…

I actually tried to give strtlk the opportunity to debate cleanly and tried to give him an olive branch… However, he refused to debate any facts and i guess he has only one game… and without facts can only resort to being an antagonist !! Interesting how he somehow feels his aeolist attitude accomplishes anything..

I have a feeling the only reason why Obama ruling is because God wants us to wake up I think God will now toss him aside because we are as awake as we are going to get. At least a pray I believe we don’t pick our leaders but God does.

He has an unhealthy fixation on another man. It’s ruling his life and I’m pretty sure that he’s jealous of anyone who actually overcomes adversity and becomes a great success. In short, he’s an ignorant Liberal Progressive moron.

unfortunately most people see these 30 second sound bites and here a catch phrase like how bad “trickle-down economics” is then support a stimulus package that is the epitome of “trickle-down economics. It’s unfortunate but the greater populace is ignorant… i used a politicians record that a commentor said he was going to vote for…. he didn’t even know it was his canidate….. so it’s going to be an uphill battle to try to inform people of the truth when they are trapped in the phantasm of knowing what they are talking about… that was the point about bringing out the Libertarian Party Platform… most Libertarians don’t even know their party platform…

I think you are right.. but atleast he can do some homework instead of making choleric remarks based on his assumptions. I don’t agree with GB all the time and i doubt you do… but strtlk is like acid without any true arguments… maybe he’s just board and wants attention.

He doesn’t know how to do research only how to spew leftist rhetoric. He’s the typical leftist, facts need not enter his little brain. LOL

that seems to be the leftist manifesto… from top to bottom… lie and just keep lying… As Hilter said sooner or later they will believe you..

It’s what all Liberals do.

Yeah we have pretty much unlimited amount of information at our finger tips, however people don’t find out the truth or search for the truth and want to hold onto their preconceived ridiculous ideals… But i got to run ttyl have a friend that should be here soon..

I am amazed that people who support Obama cannot see what he is doing to this country. It’s like they are wearing blinders; look around voters and tell me what he has done for this country? Let’s hear from all those people who are unemployed – are they better off under Obama presidency? I would have to say NO. Wake up voters…..

If it isn’t by intent then it is by ignorance. Either one looks bad for Obama.

This is relevant to being President, how?

The fact that you have yet to address the reformations or the easily verifiable facts I have pointed out about the ancient history of christianity regarding the “unchristian” doctrine of mormons tells me you really have no answers about anything, you simply choose to dislike mormons.

You know what doesn’t make sense to me? The belief that a loving and merciful god would doom entire generations of people to the impossibility of learning the gospel and thus deny them the opportunity of salvation, that god would allow people to be born on continents where they would never have a chance for salvation flies in the face of the concepts of fairness and love.

Why are their so many mistakes in this? Did you type it manually? Can you not figure out copy and paste? Again, your stuff is out of context…”And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever” – Genesis 3:22.

Did you catch that? “…the man is become as one of US…”

Us, would imply more than one, right?

Also, it says the we were made in the image of God, right? So, would it not be feasible to think that some kind of celestial existence would be possible? Or if it quacks like a duck, it must be a frog? Hey, I’m not gonna argue, but you are not going to come here and blab anything that has not been heard before by people who believe in the Church.

Lastly, the religious stuff is irrelevant since that seems to be what every single post is about. This is about strengths and weaknesses, Mitt and Barack and who we would have for President. Hey, its your deal though. I really don’t care because its America. To each their own…

Anyone with a brain knows Obama’s not muslim, its pretty obvious from his actions that he’s an atheist.

Where do I buy the kool-aid?

I will go slow so you can hopefully understand,
1) You condemned mormonism because of the claim that none of the existing religions were true and the need for the true gospel to be restored, but as it was pointed out, many reformationist religious movements were based on the same contention, so logic would dictate to you would condemn all noncatholic denominations the same way, which you appear hesitant to do.
2) You repeated some “unchristian” doctrine mormons supposedly believe:
a)God has a body: Genesis 3:8 says he walked in The Garden, Exodus 33:11 he spoke to Moses face to face as a man speaks to a friend, Exodus 34:5 he descended in a cloud and stood with Moses
A person might think that to walk in a place, to speak face to face, and to stand with someone would take a body, hardly seems “unchristian”
b)That men can become like god: Deification was a commonly held belief by early christians including St. Irenaeus, St Cyril,
St. Maximus, and St. Symeon – that’s a lot of “unchristian” Saints
c) celestial Polygamy – not sure what aspect of that you are most concerned about, polygamy is hardly new in christian and jewish faiths, and the idea that we would be with our loved ones in the afterlife doesn’t seem all that radical to me in the light of deification
d) That god was once a man: as far as I know is a unique belief within christianity, but does seem logically consistent with the concept of Deification, if we can be come as he is maybe he was as we are now.
3) You condemn mormons for not accepting your doctrine of the trinity, but the trinity as you believe it was an evolving concept for over 500 years, and has never been a universal “christian” belief, there were MANY theories about the nature of Christ, I named a few of them, are you familiar with them? On what basis do you base your belief as the correct one? The fact that a commitee of men decided on it rejecting the others? Cutting out tongues and hands to silence those that disagreed? That same moral authority declared anyone that believed the earth orbited the sun a heretic.

Basing ones faith on the decisions and opinions of fallible men seems to be an unsure foundation, I prefer to read and study the scriptures, and then through prayer allow the Holy Spirit to testify to me what is true and to broaden my understanding.

I can’t see how anything you have pointed out about mormonism is contrary to anything but YOUR interpretation of The Gospel, but unless you are laying claim to the role of being infallible and all-knowing I fail to see what puts you in a position to judge ANYONE’S beliefs.

I believe in Christ, I believe that he lived. I believe that he suffered, bled, and died to redeem me of my sins. I believe that he was resurrected and through his love and grace all mankind will be as well. I believe that God and Christ loves each and everyone of us, no matter our faults and weaknesses. I believe that God so loved the world he sent his only begotten son to save all that would believe. I believe God loves ALL of us and established a plan that allowed even those without the opportunity to learn of the Savior in earthly life to have the opportunity to accept salvation in the afterlife and receive all the necessary ordinances to live with God. I believe God gave us all the gift of free-will to give us the opportunity to choose to follow him and be righteous. I believe that all men, other than Christ, are sinners and incapable of returning to God without the love and mercy of the atonement. I believe that salvation is purely by grace and our faith and acceptance of Christ, but that without works there can be no true faith, because anyone that has true faith in Christ would follow his words.

One thing I believe and you evidently do not is this “We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the
dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege,
let them worship how, where, or what they may.”

So although I may not fit your narrow definition of “christian” in the scheme of things its not YOUR opinion that matters, I will leave my soul and salvation up to Christ to judge, and he testifies to me constantly of the truth of his Love and Gospel.

Economic genius? Based on what? He instituted RomneyCare along with a bunch of other leftist pet projects in his home state.

It’s the LDS website’s format. They insert so many footnotes it becomes a pain to delete them from the text you are copying from. Since we are made in the image of God, mind, body and soul, it would imply a triune being. The scriptures also declare there is only one God, and there is none beside Him. You are left with only one choice at that point, and it’s not the pagan/Mormon one.

I already proved that the doctrine of the trinity predates any “council” decision or 500 year argument, insomuch that the scripture predates all councils. Disagreements over certain nuances aside, the scripture precludes all possibility of the Mormon claim of a plurality of gods, and of men who can become gods, or of God going around having sex with the virgin Mary. You never did respond to all those quotes I provided from your prophets and Apostles that discuss that little factoid. Even if you sit around claiming that the eeeeevil Catholics invented the New Testament, you would still have to answer for the Old Testament scriptures which specifically speak of One God, and yet Three Persons. Come to think of it, I quoted exclusively the Old Testament when I answered you several times, though you kept on moving along as if normal. But what did I expect? The Scientologists are just as clueless and thick, and thou art close kin to them in terms of theological ideas! Heck, maybe old Xenu lives on the famous star of Kolob?

As for the mercy of God. Keep in mind that the Mormon premise is that the Gospel was lost shortly after the time of Christ, which means nearly 2,000 years without the good news of Joey Smith to allow men the sole benefit of… becoming gods in the Celestial heaven and getting it on with a harem of women. So, apparently God abandoned His church until the most worthy Joey Smith, who prior to the revelation had been known in the neighborhood as a conman, decided to send Nephi… no no no, Moroni (it was Nephi who gave the tablets in the earlier version of Smith’s story) to give Smith the Book of Mormon, which has been edited more than 3,000 times since its creation, and not to mention included mistranslations from the KJV where it quoted biblical passages and inserted them into the text. (Minor stuff, like quoting the KJV talking about iron, when the Hebrew word was bronze.) It’s amazing that you are even able to justify debating these issues when Mormonism has no credibility!

But to truly answer your question, infidels without any knowledge of Christ were formerly judged under the natural law. That is, the law as written on the hearts of all men. The great problem, of course, is that even with God’s mercy in that regard, it is impossible to merit heaven based on your own good works. What is required, for everyone actually, is the unfathomable grace of God moving in and making what is impossible possible. The Will of God calls men out of darkness, and calls them to faith and salvation despite the darkness of their world and their sins. Salvation, essentially, is the free choice of God, and not of ourselves. Does that mean that God chose not to save the Indians in the Americas, who are genetically proven to not be Jews who were cursed with darkness by God as the Mormons claim? I don’t know. It’s a mystery. But this I do know: God is a righteous God who judges perfectly.

Regarding the Mormon claim that God has a body of flesh and blood:

Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The proof is that God not only can “walk’ in the garden, He can burn in a bush too:

Exo 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

God can certainly appear however He likes, but the claim that God actually possesses a body like man’s is purely a Mormon invention and has no basis in the scripture.

Regarding the claim about why I condemned Mormonism. I did not claim Mormonism was false because it condemned other religiouns. I merely pointed out that the other person was lying when they claimed the LDS doesn’t do that sort of thing. If I thought it was bad to condemn other religions, I wouldn’t be condemning Mormonism. Your points, which I’ve dealt with in other parts, I consider to be extraordinarily irrelevant. You are making them despite the existence of absolute proof that defeats Mormonism.

My issue with Mormonism is simple. It is a damnable religion that leads men to hell since it denies the plain meaning of the scripture, makes God like unto corruptible flesh, denies His purpose, His identity, His nature, and bestows on Him a ridiculous and evil character. I agree with the Apostle Paul on this one, whose definition of a Christian was also very narrow:

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Since you believe God picks our leaders, does this mean you will not be bothering to vote then? By your “logic”, if you vote then you are fighting God.

How do you know God didn’t pick Gary Johnson? Or does God only pick the candidate you happen to be supporting?

This would explain why you are saying that God chose Obama. God didn’t chose Obama, the majority of the voters did which would mean you. Take responsibility for your actions and stop blaming God. Have you no shame.

Take another 2 months off please.

One more thing, your gun shop story does not add up. Seeing that ever since Obama got into office (thanks to you), gun sales have been through the roof and Obama Care had not been implemented yet, so I seriously doubt that is the reason for your Uncle going out of business.

Own a business like Mayor Bloomberg or Fmr. Gov. Jon Corzine for example? They really promote free-market principles now don’t they? Your argument is rather preposterous now isn’t it. LOL.

Not that it is any of your business, but I have owned a business thank you very much.

I see you have a problem with your reading comprehension. Let me say it again so maybe people will go look and realize your Progressive Savior does not have a coherent plan:

“If anybody would like to refute that charge then please provide one of their policies that says other wise.”

You failed to list one policy that would come anywhere close to making this country solvent again. Maybe if you ever owned a business you would know what solvency is and isn’t. All you have given is empty rhetoric that Romney’s own record refutes. By the way, isn’t that how Obama was elected? Next I suppose you will be telling everyone how great Romney Care.

I can see why you hate principles, you have tossed out every conservative principle to back a Progressive 100%. You have no moral compass to guide you so this post is not for you. It is for anybody that might think you have a point, because you don’t.

ROTFLMAO! Taking the gloves off? How? By doubling down on the Romney talking points with still no factual evidence to support your preposterous claims? Stop it, your going to make me bust a gut. ROTFFLMAO!

It’s obvious you don’t even know Romney’s. LOL
Stop worrying about other peoples Parties and start worrying about your own.

I see you have been working hard.

“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” -Benjamin Franklin

I know principles and virtue are foreign to you and that is why you don’t understand them. If the Founders listened to your advice, we would never have had the Revolution seeing that not even a third of the country was for Independence. Damn those principled trouble making Founders for starting a Revolution without the consensus of the majority! You don’t happen to own a Red Coat by chance do you?

I think you are playing for the wrong team. The Democrat Party is down the hall to the left.

Glen, I think you should put these interviews on utube for the world to see and hear. Mitt Romney is a person we really need to lead this country. Thanks for the information. I plan of voting for him

First read the Bible on what it says on the subject before attacking me for speaking the truth second never talk to me again you are nothing but a Wessel and a rat that used my name to attack my friends and I will not engage with that type of hate. You tell me I need to back off really maybe you should worry about the plank in your eye before you threat about the speck in mine. To say that God has no say in the matter only proves that you don’t believe that he is in control. If God wanted Gary Johnson he would be in the race instead of being a third party which I am shocked that you would even sell your soul to vote for him seeing how he is more liberal in his ideas than Mitt and Obama combined. Are you for open broader legalizing all drugs and prostitution? Whoever God picks he will pick you have no say in the matter.
Romans 13:1-7 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities , for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities the exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For the rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God’s servant, an agent of the wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of the possible punishment but also because of conscience.
This is also why you pat taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their for governing. Give everyone what you owe him: if you owe taxes pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, than honor.
Are you telling me that Paul the guy who was handpicked by God after his ascension into heaven and the guy who wrote more than half of the New Testament is lying? Maybe it is you who needs to take two months off and actually read the Bible instead of resorting to dirty tactics and judging my intentions and questioning my character and stop picking and choosing what you follow in the Bible.

Oh one more thing the idiot that calls me lair it was a small gun shop and there for could not afford to pay for health care with his employees so there for he had to shut it down because unlike you he don’t back stab people he cares about.

Based on an entire career of successful businesses, turning around the finances of the Salt Lake Olympics, and vastly improving the finances of Massachusetts. As for the health care in Massachusetts, what passed was not his original plan, it was drastically amended by the state legislature. Even so, his position has ALWAYS been that it’s a matter for the states to each determine for themselves, not something the fed should be forcing on everyone.

Once again, you are failing to see the whole picture. You pick one little thing and then try to demonize the man because of it. Well, even Reagan had a mistake or two (amnesty ring a bell?) But no one in their right might can say Romney is not better than Obama on this issue.

You forgot to mention Reagan took out national debt from 900 billion to 3 TRILLION!!! Opps! Guess the Gipper dropped the ball on that one too! Its a scam! “Creative accounting”. Both sides have done it. Just like every misinformed Democrat does when they bring up how Clinton balanced the budget and made the angels sing. Each Admin is the same thing over and over. We have no real choice except voting our conscience. Whoever you support God bless you, but its still a sham.

Oh Mr. Onion how very poorly confused you are. Mr. Beck just did a bit on how Romney said in an interview less than a week ago, that he would KEEP many of the things in Obama care. The worst of which was the pre existing conditions aspect of OC and would make insurance skyrocket!!!! Also MITT ROMNEY IS A PROGRESSIVE!!!! Don’t believe me, fine. Here Mitt in his own words almost ten years ago. Opps!- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oahbYGxH6c0

Stephanie- Im sure your a nice person and I am not one for starting conflict, but you are not being honest if you said that you did your research and found Romney to be the most honest. He has changed his position on EVERY major issue more than ANY other candidate. The most honest and CONSISTENT guy was Ron Paul. Hands down not even close. But I am not trying to tell not to support Mitt. By all means if he’s your guy then God Bless you and cast your vote, but I cannot in all good conscience believe you when you say you FACT CHECKED ALL OF THEM. If you really had I don’t believe you would say such a silly thing. Please forgive me if I offended you, that wasn’t my intent. Have a great day.

hat’s not what its about. Its all about what we believe, and that’s it. After the conversation, if you don’t believe the same, that’s fine. Just tell them politely that you are no longer interested...Ace16.com

Ricardo- I agree with much of what you are saying, however I would ask that maybe you deliver it with a bit kinder of a tongue. Although I must admit you were attacked a few times for not bowing down to Progressive Mitt. My question for you is DO YOU SUPPORT OBAMA? Its legit. I think you would make your point a little better if you expressed you understood how TERRIBLE Obama is. Me, im a Ron Paul delegate from Nevada, and I was gonna vote for Mitt until article 16 robbery of the PEOPLE at the RNC. ANYONE who watches that tape, and can still get behind Mitt is a sheep for the PROGRESSIVE machine. Heres the link-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKaXqoC4DjE

Dear Mr. Beck- There is no doubt in my mind after seeing this episode that Mitt Romney is a man of great charity, who is truly dedication to helping others. That said im sorry, but im still NOT convinced. I am a huge fan of yours and have supported the Libertarian cause for years now. I was a Ron Paul delegate in Nevada and after many hours of listening to you and debates with friends I decided to cast my vote for Romney, because I full well understood just how bad Obama really is for our Republic. I did what you asked of your audience and “DID MY HOMEWORK”. I saw MANY, MANY reasons not to vote for Romney because he fits the definition of a “Progressive”, yet I decided just this once it would be okay to vote party over principle, so that our nation might have a shot. Then came article 16 on the floor of the RNC. I was heart broken and furious to see that the same tyrannical actions and habits displayed by the Obama admin were being repeated by the Romney people and the corrupt GOP. I realized in that moment I CANNOT VOTE FOR ANOTHER TYRANT!! I wish so badly I could be on the same page as you with this mr. Beck as you are my hero in many ways, but if I didn’t vote my heart and principle for my nation what kind of man would I be??? This has been one of the hardest more upsetting things my family and myself have had to debate and decide on this Nov. Who knows maybe I will change my mind again, but for now, I cast my vote with the Libertarian party and the Principles and values I have come to love and believe in because of great men like you sir. I am certain you understand what I am saying, and why I am taking this stand. God Bless you Mr. beck, keep doing what you believe.

Sorry no Red but pleny in OD Green….

He turned around the Olympics by finding new and “creative” ways to milk federal grants out of the government. As for healthcare, it’s not his plan, yet he praises it as a success despite the fact that things are so bad in Mass. they now use price controls to keep healthcare prices in check. His position has not always been that. In his own book and in interviews (before he realized it was a problem) he thought RomneyCare would be a great model for the federal government to embrace. It’s almost as if you know nothing about Mitt Romney. I can certainly say Romney is no better, your post is proof. Look at all the lies the Romney Camp spreads to cover up what they openly embraced less than a year ago, and are only lately, after securing the nomination, are beginning to embrace again.

Hell no I do not support Obama. Though for people who support Romney, they should be happy with Obama if he wins. They have a win-win situation, they just don’t realize yet the two parties have merged into one. And, yup, I know all about what happened at the RNC.

You know what I have problems with beside that. Is a person like the Craig machine that lies about others to get political gain like me not taking responsibility for my voting choice and not just because I believe what Paul says in the Bible at Romans 13:1-7 as fact. I also find it hypocritical of him to question my character when he stabs his own friends in the back. Even after he came after me two months ago doing the same thing to a friend of mine even after I apologized who in the hell does he think he is my judge?

It is not the lesser of two evils, guess you consider the coal industry being quickly shut down irrelevant. And you probably also consider the drilling permits being rejected irrelevant.
So if haven’t realized the over regulation on working energy resources, excluding solar and wind with a return on investment in atleast over a decade… But i guess you consider these regulation as having no impact on the economy…

Oh man my bad I wrote onion instead of opinion!! Im dumb- sorry about that. That was a stupid mistake on my behalf not an insult. Just wanted you to know i wasn’t being a jerk. Although I doubt very much you will appreciate the facts I laid out for ya.

Yes i am aware of that… if you are talking about the situation that i believe you are.. i sat in the meeting… Craig may believe that his aeolist personality is persuasive… i will give him the benefit, since i don’t know him personaly but only see some that is misguided or beguiled ..

Why not put up a few of Obama clips when he was a trainer for Acorn?

So is that your great comeback when you cant refute the facts. Try alittle punctilious study…. it works wonders…

Do you think prate comments show your intelligence. And are you going to make a point before you talk me to death…. hmmmm

You have hit the nail on the head with this post. If anyone is actually interested in what Romney’s and Obama’s tax plans will do, I urge you to look both of them up. Romney’s will show plenty of blame towards Obama, and Obama’s will show an actual plan. As stated in Romney’s plan, he will try to eliminate corporate tax, as well as tax on capital gains and corporate dividends. Sounds all well and good, right? Well, who is going to pay for the remaining revenue that we are missing? It will be 1) Increased taxes on those who make under $250,000/year, or 2) Deficit spending.

right on man. figured it had to be spelled out for some of our friends here on this thread. Too many conservatives think in terms of left vs right or dem vs rep when they ALREADY KNOW the game is fixed!!! Its crazy!!! So tired of the “If you vote for Johnson its a vote for Obama”, crap! Any of my fellow Republican friends are welcome to go to a Democrat website and see the same boring phrase being repeated only that “A Vote for Johnson is a vote for Romney!”. LOL What the hell is wrong with people man?? What happened to PRINCIPLES?? I LOVE GLENN BECK! He is the reason I learned HALF of the stuff I have picked up in the last few years. I wish so much he would STAND with what he has outlined in history and heritage. Look anyone who wants to vote different than me so be it. god bless them even. But i’ll be damned if im going to be belittled because im not willing to trade one tyrant for another! Sorry friends I actually did the homework Mr. Beck told us to do and opps, Romney is a PROGRESSIVE!!! Im sure he is a nice man. He has no doubt done AMAZING things for a lot of people, but he is nothing new, and contrary to what Mr. Beck said today on his radio WE DO KNOW WHAT A ROMNEY PRESIDENCY LOOKS LIKE! It looks PROGRESSIVE! Anyway, have a good day man. You made some good points and someone noticed to logic you were kickin.

Many companies have shut down. But most of us that are ready to play are sitting on the side lines.. My company is boxed up in my garage until after Obama is gone… Although my last company that we left open longer was a very small company (only 10 employees)… i’ve owned many of larger companies and had evp’s from heavy hitting companies like master card and avco work for me… we still all agree until this president goes the doors on our adventures will remain closed…. and we’ve lived on residual income. I have had friends that own other companies as late as last month call and ask us to re-open so they could use our services… but the answer is NOT until Obama is gone. My son asked if he could re-open and run one company but told him also wait till after the election, if Obama loses you can have the company and all the equipment and re-open..

I’m waiting for some sort of point too.

http://www.prewitt.net/MittRomneyInsite2012-08-16.pdf. Here is a letter from a couple that bought a house from Mitt and Ann that shows him as a regular guy.

So have I and yes he is. Check thi out. http://www.prewitt.net/MittRomneyInsite2012-08-16.pdf

We need more men who are willing to roll up their sleeves and help their neighbor…..
you can tell a lot about a man by what he does quietly in the bright light of the day and not for his own gain, the fact that so much of this was done without cameras and media attention says volumes about the man’s character, no I do not agree with many of his past policies but I no longer feel like I am voting for the lesser of two evils…… ON to November! I can not wait for EJECTION….. errr,,,,,, Election day!

Yes, i’m just alittle confused on how Abortion 1.4, Gay Marriage 1.3, and the use of drugs for recreational purposes 1.2 is conservative viewpoints. According to the Libertarian Party Platform..?

Revealed: The REAL Glenn Beck!
“The truth is, not only is this $700 billion (Wall Street bailout), I believe, necessary, but it is also not nearly enough and all the weasels in Washington know it. … The real number should be closer to $2 trillion.” – Glenn Beck, CNN, 9/22/208
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org/video/2009/09/21/a-year-ago-beck-called-for-a-bailout-bigger-tha/154863
Glenn Beck doesn’t believe anything he says. He propagandizes morons for the sake of the uber-wealthy and imperialists. He was so ecstatic that the government was giving hundreds of billions to his Wall Street masters, that he let his fake-libertarian guard down and went all socialist. Fake Mormon. Fake Christian. Fake Libertarian. It’s all an act; and there is no one Beck despises more than his fans.
Just like Limbaugh. Coulter. Drudge. Hannity. Rove. Etc Etc Etc They are all in on it. They are all faking it. They are manipulating “useful idiots.” Just like WMDs in Iraq – bullpoo.

Great point…. i think it was once said: “That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.”

He used to be a good guy not like this at all but it seem like a lot has changed with a few people I know.

Well i don’t want to bring somethings out of the dark that has been in the dark to you and others that were in your group… So I guess that the best way to word this is i question some peoples moral integrity… although they are trying to politic this into something it is not !! That’s what manipulative people do..

There are a lot of companies here as well not doing any hiring. People that do not own a business or knows someone that does have no clue about the loaded guns pointed at your heads. My other uncle is a tax accountant did the math on what Obama care would cost for seniors that have their health insurance from the government. It would cost them 200 a month and most of these people only get 800 ss checks like me grandmother. This is what woke me up from the anti-Mitt banner that these people took up. Even someone like me a young man trying to get my life started can’t because of what Obama is actively doing to us. We cannot afford to do nothing and God willing he will make Mitt our next leader. The alternative is darkness for generations.

Yep, i have 5 young adult children and see them struggle getting good paying jobs.. the job market is in shambles. Until these burdens on small business are lifted we will never see a true economic recovery. And of course fix the trade deficit problem, which Romney plan about energy independence will get us half way to reaching a trade surplus… (not including the huge impact it would have on the economic growth rate)… with a simple fix of our trade agreement with china and we are there..

Yes sir this needs to be called out for what it is.

At least I am learning a lot about hard times and nothing comes free or without hard work. That is the most important thing I learned in the past four years. We can win this even with these fake libertarians like Graig kicking and screaming because Newt did not win. It all most like a child throwing a tantrum because they can’t get any candy. It over deal with he lost now is not the time to stand divided. I just hope this ugliness just goes away after the elections.

I have plenty to say on this matter… but i don’t question craigs integrity, although we disagree, i don’t know him…

That is a wise idea but I can’t help thinking what the hell happen when I was gone. Good people went bad it is more divided now than it has ever been and now I find I have to defend myself with some people that I was friends with. That I even was fighting beside a few of them for God knows how long. In general I can’t even believe this has gotten so bad that I can’t even speak Biblical truth without being beheaded for being an x liberal. A part of me blames myself for the deaths that happen because I voted wrong.

It’s due to the upcoming election Rahm. Don’t take it to heart. Your friend.

brother, i have the archieve of a meeting… and this group doesn’t even know who threw them under the bus

Why do you tell me to never talk to you again but then start asking me
questions? Why do you keep bringing up my name in other posts if you
don’t want me talking to you? Don’t glob onto my posts spewing your
ignorance and not expect me to answer. I have noticed you using your
tactic “hit and cry” repeatedly lately. You hit somebody than cry for
them to leave you alone before they hit back. Not going to happen RINO
Boy.

It was your “friends” that started calling me Ryan and
smearing you. I would never pretend to be you, why would I degrade
myself? Any fool could easily recognize my posts from your incoherent
misspelled extremely bad grammar laden posts in a second. So do some
thinking for once and figure it out. You can’t list one time where I
lied so keep your little smears to yourself.

“This is also why you pat taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their for governing.”

So
now Governments are the servants of God? No wonder you voted for Obama
and now Romney. You are a RINO that is pushing for a theocracy whether
you realize it or not. You are no Conservative so quit trying to play
one, you are a useful idiot that has no comprehension skills whatsoever.
You believe whatever is fed to you without question. The more you talk
the more you prove my point.

God only picks candidates from the
unofficial 2 Party system? Did he tell you that personally? That is more
of your worthless propaganda with nothing to back it up. You are a
kook. If you would ever pull your head out of your backside and read the
U.S Constitution, you would know that nowhere in it does it ever
mention political Parties, and for good reason.

I reject that Romans 13:1-7 came from Paul’s own hand. You believe in being submissive to an oppressing Government that wishes
to take away God given inalienable rights. That doesn’t sound like God’s
Will to me and it sure as hell ain’t American. You are a walking
contradiction, seek help.

If you believe in Romans 13:1-7 then
you must believe that the Founders went against God by revolting against
their Government at that time, which means you reject the Declaration
of Independence on grounds of heresy.

“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people
to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another,
and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal
station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a
decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should
declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That
to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving
their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any
Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of
the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,
laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in
such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and
Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long
established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and
accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to
suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by
abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train
of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a
design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it
is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards
for their future security.–Such has been the patient sufferance of
these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to
alter their former Systems of Government.”

Everything you say is
so warped and convoluted that you are an embarrassment. By your own
admission: who ever wins the election and whatever they do; you will be
happy because God willed it to be. Which means you don’t believe in
free-will either. What’s the point of living in your world again other
than being a mindless drone?

Lastly, your Uncle went out of
business due to poor business decisions not what you claim. If he was to
small to stay in business then he should have expanded. If he closed
his shop out of protest to Obama then it is still your Uncle that chose
to go out of business. I see Gun shops popping up all over the place
expanding. How is it that they can still afford Obama Care when your
Uncle couldn’t? Sounds like excuses to me, IMHO.

You are out of your league, go back to playing Star Wars

Romney believes in Man Made Global Warming and signed legislation in Massachusetts to clamp down on energy production. Ever hear of UN Agenda 21?

You obviously never looked at Romney’s record.

You have yet to show any intelligence yet, RINO.

Grow the hell up.

ALL I WILL SAY IS GOD HAS A PLAN FOR OUR NATION AND OBAMA IS NOT IN IT

If you can’t answer the question just say so..

It’s better to make a decision even if it’s a bad one, that not to make any decision at all…. now you know that if you were to make the same decision you would have the same outcome… so you are able to make the right decision (or a better decision) now..

“It’s better to make a decision even if it’s a bad one” and if it turns out to be a bad one, learn from your mistake and don’t repeat it.

So let me guess now Paul is a left winger. He wrote that during the Roman freaken empire you reject one part of the Bible than you have no right to call yourself a Christian and reject God himself. You are nothing but a coward who voted for NEWT WHO IS EVEN MORE OF A RINO THAN MITT YOU HYPOCIRTE! You hate Mitt because he is Mormon I was told so by my so called friend who defends your left wing crap instead calling you out for making your side look bad. You want to know why I don’t stand with you because I got SICK OF YOUR GODLESS BULLSHIT OF ATTACKING YOUR FRIENDS FOR BELIEVEING DEFFRENT THAN YOU WHO WANTS THEORCRACY NOW ASS HOLE ! just because I do not worship your god newt biggest RINO IN THE HISTROY OF MAN does not mean I am a left wing nut job like you. Do me a favor and just go to hell you commie lover!

can you meet me in the board room for a sec

Gotcha.

I wish I could but Graig feels different and wants to do everything in his power to make this personal to me. I know I should not hate but after his new bull shit there will never be a friendship between us and if you know who comes in his defense after this I will never speak to her. This bull shit has to stop.

Yes, i’m just alittle confused on how Abortion 1.4, Gay Marriage 1.3, and the use of drugs for recreational purposes 1.2 is conservative viewpoints. According to the Libertarian Party Platform..?

Don’t look now Craig give you a reason to question his integrity.

They have to make it personal when they have no ammo or facts.. typical troll technique… right

It only becomes personal if you let it. Remember that, this is just the internet and there are no rules and it’s not reality.

Your right God what have I done.

Hey stupid, ordering a drone strike on a person who held US citizenship is treason. You may not like the cleric from Yemen, but he did hold US citzenship (as well as his son) and was killed in a drone strike. You are one dumb M F er.

LIAR ROMNEY WILL CARRY ON IN THE BUSH / OBAMA TRADITION I’M SURE — SO PICK YOUR 2016 CANDIDATE TODAY.

Is this the best you can come up with?

Since you never bother to inform yourself of facts and will eat whatever the establishment feeds you, let me clue you in on something:

Romney is for Abortion and Gay Marriage himself. Oh Boy, somebody has egg on their face now. Since you have no moral compass and do not believe in the Founding principles or right and wrong, I am not surprised why you are confused on just about everything.

Furthermore, I am not a Libertarian, only voting for Gary Johnson. Who by the way was a successful Republican Governor of New Mexico and left the GOP field after he saw the Primary corruption.

“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty, than those attending too small a degree of it.” -Thomas Jefferson

Do you ever get tired of being on the wrong side of the Founders?

This is not on topic, so please forgive me. Charles Krauthammer wrote a wonderful piece today entitled, “Iranian mullahs don’t fear Obama.” A must read; if you get a chance to look this up, please do.

And then there are those that feel the need to share. Please don’t.

And then there are still others that feel the need to share even though their thoughts aren’t wanted. Please reconsider in the future. Obviously, you were one of the lucky ones with a voice, no?

Half truths out of context leads to confusion and misunderstanding of what is real truth. If you want to know truth you can find it……but your search must be with an honest heart and open mind…..clear from prejudice….

Woah…who let you out?

And I do wish you well even though and because I know something ain’t right upstairs.

They should ask his brother, aunt and probably other family members what they think. If he doesn’t help his own, who here thinks he has YOU in his scope?

If you had watched and listened instead of just looking at the colorful pictures, you would have gotten his explanation Tyler.

or his college transcripts….I am real interested in seeing those. Did you know there are 57 muslim countries……Interesting, yes? No wonder he got that wrong when talking about OUR states!

I am righting that down.

Reeks of desperation I am just waiting to see the other shoe to drop but I am done engaging him. I said want I wanted to say never talking to him again unless he stops the B.S. and just wants to have a healthy debate without attacking me with every other sentence.

@new2la- Are speaking on behalf of Mr. beck? Thank you for wishing me well as I wish you the same, but to pose as Mr. beck and insult me is very hurtful sir, and if Mr. Beck were to say this for real, then I would have to take that into great consideration, because I am certain he has no shortage of mentally deranged people who bother him, and I would NEVER want to fall into that group. I thought my comment was very heart felt and explained some very good reasons for why I have taken my stance on this topic. Can you please explain to me where I’ve gone wrong, or why you think its okay to speak for Mr. Beck?? Thank you

Take it up with Romney. He called himself progressive and pushed progressive platforms, which he still firmly believes. The only difference now is that he got the nomination and you guys want to live in la la land about him being a saint.

My apologies Sir, I was not speaking for Mr. beck, I was defending him. It’s honorable to vote your conscience and I applaud you, but Vegasdad…really? …..do you want another four years of Obama? Because that is what you, me…everyone will get! If you love the Constitution as much as I do, then you pick another time, another candidate; Just not this year! You go ahead and vote how you see fit, at yours, mine and everyone else’ peril.
Good day to you Sir.

So many in here have removed all doubt…it truly scares me to death that many I have read are no more informed or as ill-informed as those of the new-socialist democrat party……I am truly saddened…I’d rather go to the endodontist than listen to the stuff you painfully expect us to read, digest & believe….

@Steve- So what are you saying? That this video of Romney proclaiming to the world that he is a “Progressive” is irrelevant? REALLY??? Oh and just so you know I DO NOT SUPPORT COMMUNIST PROGRESSIVE OBAMA! Just had to put it out there. Thank you

Glenn Beck really pisses me off. He won’t let this video go on youtube? He wants us to pay. He needs to put this out on youtube.

Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Somebody has gone to the Dark Side of the Force. Ye shall be called Darth Idious from this day hence. So let it be written, so let it be done, I Craig hath spoken.

Do you ever stop and read your posts or email before sending them off? When you make unfounded statements followed with cursing and name calling, you sound like Victor. I won’t go as far to call you a liar because you seem to be delusional and probably believe everything you just said.

Get some professional help. You need to reflect on your own ideologies (Political and Religious) because they are way out there in another galaxy far far away.

FYI, I never wanted, let alone want to know, why you don’t stand on my side because you don’t have a clue. So now you can get that little delusion of grandeur out of your head also.

“Love your enemies, for they tell you your faults”
-Benjamin Franklin

Even if all those who don’t want Obama in another term vote for their favorite candidate (if other than Romney), their fave will not win and Obama’s second term is assured. People will cut off their nose to spite their face and call it principle. Logic has nothing to do with it and neither does God.

Rahm, Rahm, Rahm, calm down dear. You are loosing sight of the true message here, there is no point in arguing over who’s candidate is better or what policy is better. We need to focus on the individual, no matter who we elect, if this mindset of government entitlement persists, if we can’t teach personal responsibility, self reliance, the importance of charity and spirituality regardless of religion, none of it matters. If we were morally strong as a country, we could elect Hitler and it wouldn‘t matter. We would shut his arse down! The problem is as always, lack of personal responsibility breeds socialism. Generations upon generations have become accustom to entitlements. It severely enabled us. Crippling our minds to the point that we can’t even conceive of the idea of taking care of ourselves. We just need to educate and set a positive example, it may be a loosing battle but it’s all we’ve got.

You are entitled to your own opinions/ideas/principles. Don’t change them just to suit someone else who may make disparaging remarks. I am not saying don’t keep an open mind. We all learn things as time goes on and none of our journeys are the same.

Right, you did what you did when you did it, because that is what you knew to do, and if you knew then not to do what you did, you wouldn’t have done what you did when you did it, so now you won’t do what you did again. Got it? LOL

Don’t touch dis!

You just reacted to someone who angered you, whether he did it intentionally or not. Just blow it off.

Looks who talking your nothing but bully and I refuse to talk to you a stoop to your level anymore like I told you before people will believe different from you so there for get used to it and grow up instead of attacking people for their beliefs you pushed me and you knew the outcome that is why you did it. You’re a coward that can’t fight with the truth because you can’t. Mormon hater.

One more thing Franklin is right and I should apologize to you for my outburst last light I know I will never get one from you but if you did I would accept it because I am not like you or anything you described me as. If you want people to treat you civil than be civil to them you can’t understand that then I will not engage you.

It is just what I believe. It is a hard passage to understand but I think he was getting at that we are under laws and we should follow these laws and their where also a few times where the early Church would not do things. Like if you were a Christian in the Roman army than not only did kill but you could not make the oath to Caesar. Paul was for this type of passive protest only because God came first. The founders where supported by God because they won against the odds. I also feel that God does pick our leaders. If Obama never came in how many of will still be asleep to the fact our country was changing before our eyes. It gets odd at time and his will look strange at times like this election but I believe he has some control in this election. If Obama wins get a helmet because the end times will be on our door step or so I believe. you know I would of told him all of this if he did not go down the childish road.

Your right of course and Jesus would be ashamed of me for reacting like that. Even with him attacking me like he did I should of remand clam. And I am ashamed of myself before for that. I been in a funk not being able to find a good job and it is been really playing with my emotions. He called me every thing that I am not and that is what set me off. He would not even know this stuff about me if I didn’t say anything about my left leaning past and it just sends me over the top like that. I should not engage bullies like him.

I did blowing up terrorist in a game does wonders for me. It is a wonder to me that they don’t prescribe playing video games as a stress reliever.

Wise words coming from a wise woman.

There are many Christians who believe that God gave them the ability of self determination, and part of that is to elect what president they want… that you have the ability to do it, he isn’t going to do it for you. It is your choice; ie, he gave humans the where-with-all to think and make choices – he doesn’t make the choices for you. If you get angry and kill someone or go all jihad on a bunch of people, you don’t think it is your burden and you take responsibility? Or is it God’s choice, and if it is then it is his fault? Who pays for your “sin”. We do not share the same beliefs. Many of us were aware that our country was changing for quite some time. Unfortunately, Obama is pushing it along at a feverish rate. The changes have been made by past presidents and Congress people, but at such a slow pace … it is those imperceptible changes that crept into the system that we have either chosen not to heed… CHOSEN.., or have been not on guard enough to realize were occurring, that have gotten us to this point. Now, this is all just my opinion. To each his own.

Thank you, I hope it helps.

That is funny you mention that. For some it is a stress reliever, for others it is something that can lead to indifference to violence because it desensitizes young people (especially teens and younger whose brains haven’t finished developing), and for those with psychological problems can actually induce stress and violence.

Interesting you should mention that there are theologies that I can’t remember the names of offhand but I bet purveyor1 knows what I am talking about. Anyways one goes that everything is predesigned and we have no control to being saved and the other is where we do have control of being saved. I think you could make the case God set this country up in such away where we the people are the leaders. I have not thought of that angle I have to study this more. Anyways I enjoyed this talk.

More than you know.

Well maybe that is why I am so angry all the time. I was one of those teenagers. It amazing how more violent than they were back when I was a teenager. More blood than I like and more gore. It is also interesting to see how much they progress from the Atari to today. Computer power is moving at a fast rate some think that we will have AI in 50 years.

I am a conservative, and have been so since I was a young man. Mr.Romney was not my first choice. Not even my second to be honest. My knowledge of him was minimal, his religion put me off, and his reputation as a man was more then willing to compromise with liberal progressives annoyed me. I have watched as the horrendous American media tore apart many conservatives, and watched as Mr. Romney came thu as an honest man, a decent man, a man willing to try. So very unlike our dope smoking , dog eating, part time christian, full time anti-American pro-muslim, anti-israeli current president for life, Barrack Hussien Obama.

My comfort level for violence is Pac Man … LMAO

Look at these comments Obama plan is working out good be at each others ass and not work together as Americans

Likely Romney is on the surface better than Boy Obama but still just a slower road to destruction that we now have. Romney is the chosen one and not the choice of the people. To know Romney you need to know his religion, read Walter Martins Kingdom of the Cults

So no exploding aliens heads for you.

Darth Idious,

You apologize then start attacking again? That is not a sincere apology. You say one thing then contradict yourself in the very next sentence or post.

Still can’t break away from your “Cry and Hit” tactics can you? It hasn’t worked yet and it never will.

You have not posted one fact, all you have done is shown EVERYBODY your lunacy with YOUR hate filled rantings. You and Romney are the real Conservatives and I am a Communist? You must be from Bizarro World. You have nothing but baseless lies and you know it. That speaks volumes of your character.

You have been exposed as incapable of understanding politics and religion. It’s one thing to know the words but quite another to understand the meaning. It’s just not in you, sorry, I wish it were otherwise. You are a useful idiot that one night dreamed he was a conservative. Voting for Obama then Romney still makes you a collectivist imbecile that obviously has learned nothing, so stop projecting.

Re-read you own posts before you start preaching you insane hypocrisies again. You have the nerve to speak of civility after your diatribes of hate and ignorance?
That’s the equivalent of the U.N. selecting Syria to be head of the Council on Human Rights.

Get lost RINO Boy, you are one messed up little dude.

“The greatest guilt of today is that of people who accept collectivism by moral default; the people who seek protection from the necessity of taking a stand, by refusing to admit to themselves the nature of that which they are accepting; the people who support plans pecifically
designed to achieve serfdom, but hide behind the empty assertion that they are lovers of freedom, with no concrete meaning attached to the word; the people who believe that the content of ideas need not be examined, that principles need not be defined, and that facts can be eliminated by keeping one’s eyes shut. They expect, when they find themselves in a world of bloody ruins and concentration camps, to escape moral responsibility by wailing: “But I didn’t mean this!””
(Ayn Rand)

Thanks for proving my point. GOOD BYE!

Boo hoo someone standing up to my bullying tatics how dare Ryan question and get pissed off after I tried to character assonate him like media matters hack. Oh I like freedom of speech only if it is on my side if not than your Hitler and eat children souls. If you don’t agree with me than you’re the anti-Christ and the incarnation of Satan look at me I am running around with a picture of Mitt on a Rhino body no hate there. Look out Mitt going to eat your baby and rape your wife. The rules I put down for other like “Love your enemies, for they tell you your faults” and don’t follow them and at the same time call other people hypocrites. Sorry but I just had to show you how truly childish you truly are before I never talk to your lying hypocritical B.S. But will gladly talk to a bone 2 pick because at least she does not think of herself as the greatest being to come to the earth and actually have civil conversation with and adult have fun at the kiddy table loser and hope you pass preschool soon.
Love,
Darth Idious

Dog gone you Glenn Beck. Dog gone you. OK, ok, ok. Kicking and screaming I am in. You have performed a great service. Please let me know if you need any help.
As for Gov Romney, I think he has good character and will help start the mending of our nation. Let us not critisize each other, let us follow a leader.

Breaks my heart to see this every time the subject is Mitt versus Baraka. Nothing is said about Baraka but TONS of issues with Mitt’s religion. This election is NOT about voting for a pastor. (Kennedy didn’t put the US under jurisdiction of the Pope nor ban all else but Catholicism). We are voting between two men. One with character and one without. One who lives in love of his neighbor and one that ignores even his own family. Shouldn’t be too hard to choose. One has experience with economic issues and one who does not–even after 4 years of putzing with it.

No he is a RINO.. i think everyone would agree.. However when we compare that to the Libertarian Party Platform http://www.lp.org/platform … we can easily conclude that their so called conservative values are nothing more than a hoax and elaborate smoke screen .. because their platform lands out in left field close to Nancy Pelosi… And I believe that People like Paul Ryan and others (hopefully an Allen West among other good choices for cabinet positions) will tend to pull Romney more right than he is naturally.

That would be the manly thing to do… However you may study the LP platform at http://www.lp.org/platform and read it closely… sounds more like pelosi and her Haight-Asbury knuckleheads… arm yourself with knowledge….

I just bring that from my business adventures.. if you’re a VP, Manager, or supervisor make a decision… we can always correct a bad decision… but if you do nothing we have already lost…

I’m see you really deflect and like to dance around questions… If your that embarrassed about your party platform….. Just Say So….
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we all can clearly see that.

Romney said. “I’m in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest, and the health and life of the mother.” CBS News, but go ahead and spout your hyperboles and mendacious statements to try and cover up the Libertarian Party Platform, if it will make you feel better. I’m not trying to be funny but do you suffer from A.D.D. because i find your statement very tenuous and devoid of direction?

Spouting off Romney sound bites is not evidence of anything especially when it comes from a habitual liar. His record is quite different than his rhetoric.

Hey, look at my thumb, Gee you’re dumb

Why do you keep telling me that you are not going to respond to me anymore but keep doing it? Contradiction much?

Keep projecting away.

“He who permits himself to tell a lie once, finds it much easier to do it a second and third time, till at length it becomes habitual; he tells lies without attending to it, and truths without the world’s believing him. This falsehood of tongue leads to that of the heart, and in time depraves all its good dispositions.”

Your friends told me on Disqus that you got booted from TFC because you were a stalker and were harassing people, is that true?

Go read your own posts, Simple Simon and then come back and tell me who is childish.

I know that you are heavily medicated because of your health and all so I will leave you alone.

I guess know your resort to jejune childrens ryhmes to bolster your fraudulent higher education credentials..

Oh don’t worry about me…. your childs play

@Steve- Ahahahaha, You literally just made me laugh out loud!! Steve, you do know RINO stands for “Republican in name only”, right? And your assertion that the Libertarian party and platform is somehow on par with NANCY PELOSI!!! Is the most insane or maybe the most misinformed comment I have EVER heard! And I have heard some doozies!! LOL! Listen I mean no disrespect but either your VERY foolish and misinformed, or your playing some kind of weak smear game. Whichever reality, I care not to play you game. God Bless, and do some REAL research my friend, because Libertarians are the party of LEAST government. NOT the party of big government PROGRESSIVES like your “RINO” Mitt, and Lib Pelosi. Have a great day.

and you still don’t know who threw you under the bus…LOL.. you deserve each other.

He’s lonely.

Rahm, I think maybe you may have found a better group of friends.. over time i have learned that this group of people, some time disagree, but mostly agree and have the morality and decency to hear you out regardless of what your point may be. And more importantly will look and present facts regardless of which side of the argument in benefits… So get your IM running… and true friends don’t stab you in the back…

Don’t laugh to hard… you obviously havent punctiliously studied the Libertarian Party Platform… because a RINO is far right compared to the Libertarian Party Platform…. adopted May 2012 Las Vegas Nevada… So don’t laugh to much until you’ve read what you call conservative…

Home run!!!!

@Steve- UM, Steve my friend, did you READ the link you posted?? Were you at the County Convention? As a delegate for Ron Paul here in Clark County I can tell you it was ELECTRIC!!! Ron Paul Delegates took all 14 of the county seats!!! A clean sweep!!! And do you know what we did?? This–The Clark County platform now OFFICIALLY calls for holding elected officials to their oath to defend the constitution, or face removal from office. The party platform now also calls for the repeal of the 16th amendment and a full public audit of the federal reserve. WHERE was ROMNEY on this??? We had 2/3′s of the delegate count EASY! Our movement is ALIVE and strong, because unlike R & D we TRULY believe that the PEOPLE and LIBERTY are the answer, NOT GOVERNMENT! PLEASE, STEVE do your homework. Somehow you are not at all in sink with what the Libertarian party TRULY stands for- YOUR FREEDOM. God Bless, and good day.

Oh….. I guess he didn’t know about that…. LOL.. maybe the archieve on my computer would open his eyes….. Naaaa let the blind follow the blind..

The liberal Machine attacks again. So who are you really Strtlk or Victor Tiffany?

Is that your college thesis?
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Still wondering who threw you under the bus…. LOL

The liberal Machine lies again. So who are you really Strtlk or Victor Tiffany?

obviously it is since you can’t refute the facts !!!!

It is too damn funny attacking the troll you are and seeing how I left TFC on my own keep showing that you’re a man with no honor.

I know I am a sinner but at least I can admit that I am a hypocrite strtlk.

Your right I used to have a friend like that promising me a job and everything turned out there was no job and I lost money. I see he is resorting to lies about TFC as well. It is funny he says that I am a stalking them and that is why I got kicked out but the very same people who go there are following me right now. Gee that does not sound like a group of people that hate my guts.

You’ll be fine. I’m not sure what area your from, but the Kroger corp. is a really fine company to work for in the grocery business. They do seem to hire a lot around here, but that’s my area. I personally know of a dozen people who after a couple years who have gone to management or are at least making a decent wage. Although, here’s a thought, you are still young, have you considered the military? Good luck with the job hunt:)

Why are conservatives fighting with conservatives? This is nonsense. All of your points are valid and worth debate but right now we have a really big problem. This president wants to fundamentally transform this country. Vote YOUR conscience. There is really no room for arguments about details that we won’t even have the freedom to argue about if that dictator in chief is reelected. We all want to shrink government and teach personal responsibility, we all want the USA to thrive. This is the fundamental difference in ideology between us and the progressives. We need to make our message a priority. Do yourself a favor and agree to disagree and stop fighting with each other already. Take your anger over to the AlterNet or some other socialistic web site where you can do some damage!;)

Funny how when some people can’t refute facts they resort to the meaningless yackity yack.

Because there are people here that are not conservative. Masks are coming off. Notice the posters who wish to kill the messenger because they can’t kill the message. Ask yourself why?

I am more concerned about what the Republican Party has become then what the looney left will always be. The inmates are now running the asylum?

I have read your posts for quite awhile now and know you are a good person and mean well so I have faith that you will understand the message from part of an email I received recently.

“you will notice that there is a two fold division in the fallen human race, and there is enmity between them—a God authored enmity. Every person is in one of those. No exceptions. From this comes the Biblical concept of kingdoms: the kingdom of God and the kingdom of Satan; of light and dark. There are commonalities between the persons of each kingdom in worldview, etc. Learning how to discern that is imperative. Let me say here, that one distinguishing trait that separates the two is honesty.” –Anonymous

“He who permits himself to tell a lie once, finds it much easier to do it a second and third time, till at length it becomes habitual; he tells lies without attending to it, and truths without the world’s believing him. This falsehood of tongue leads to that of the heart, and in time depraves all its good dispositions. ” –Thomas Jefferson

While I admit that many of my other Virtues need improvement, I assure you Truth is not one of them which I hope shines through.

I do enjoy reading your posts and look forward to reading more. If you have to vote for Romney that is your choice but please do not sell your soul by lying for him in the process. That, I believe is the cause for much of this lunacy.

Take care and God Bless

Rhis kinda stuff reminds me of the story about when Ronald Reagan sent a woman a check to help her cover her rent, or groceries, orwhatever it was… and she didn’t cash the check but instead FRAMED the check, yet was stil struggling… So Reagan sent her a SECON check with a note that she needed to cash the second check to help herself and her children. This is a MAN of character! I truly like this guy, Romney, because he is a genuinine American who gives away money, unearned like he inherited from his father, and uses the money he has earned on his own, NOT to glorify himself, but because he has the money to help, and WANTS TO help!!!

Yes it is, I’m dealing with that very thing right now on Alternet. Stunningly stupid people over there.

HaHaHa – they’re everywhere! Sometimes it is almost mind numbing, reading their comments. I must take a vacation from it very soon.

Me too.

It’s amazing to hear these stories. It’s not about Romeny the Mormon, it’s about Romney the man. The Obama campaign must paint a picture of him as cold, greedy & self serving even though they know it’s not true. The end justifies the means. Integrity of the truth matters not. For those who demonize Mormonism, I will listen to that argument only after a serious look at Black Liberation Theology. (The doctrine of choice for Obama for 20 years.) The fruit of that doctrine is rather chilling.

If religion must be part of this election, then take heed of advice from Scripture pointing out how to recognize a good man, led by the Spirit, and a wolf in sheeps clothing. Jesus said, “You will know them by their fruit.”
Fruit of the Spirit is, “Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self control.” The opposite: “deeds of the flesh”: envy, strife, jealousy, disputes, dissentions, factions, carousing, hostile activity; to name a few. (Gal 5)
Which of these descriptions fit what candidate? The answer is obvious to me. The stories told on Glenn’s program are likely just a few of very many but Romney does not stand on the street corner boasting. His deeds are not manufactured for the purpose of election time. Obviously they have been a steadfast way of life which allows me to know him by his fruit. Now, to also get to know Obama for his.

I was making such good points, Glens pals erased my coments.

I am proud to call you guys my friends.

Well I don’t think they have a set up here but I been trying to go where the hiring is it has been difficult because Pennsylvania unemployment rate is 7.9%. thousands of people trying to grab as many job as they can and not even the local McDonald’s is hiring in this area everyone one is scared about Obama care. I have a job but I only make 250 a month is better than nothing but I can’t live on my own with that and that is my goal before I reach 30 but I fear I will not be able to under another four years of Obama. I want to find work where I can work with my hands and actually build something again.

Notice how they are contentious now and try to equivocate every fact…

Yes, i’m just alittle confused on how Abortion 1.4, Gay Marriage 1.3, and the use of drugs for recreational purposes 1.2 is conservative viewpoints, while you talk out both sides of your mouth !!

And it is stated from david also not being willing to raise a hand against Saul…

Well if it is by intent then we can atleast call him a nutcase marxist, if it is by ignorance….then i guess we could only label him a fool…

Exactly, and a more appropriate description might be deceived… And if Ron Paul loved this country and wants the best for this country … he would make that argument Loud and Clear..

Romney did NOTHING to sabotage Palin. He went all in for the ticket according to McCain himself. ????McCain camp WAS the Palin camp!!

Mitt Romney was attacked viciously and unfairly during the primaries by all involved including Newt- except Herman Cain. And yes, Newt did violate house ethics rule 43 and was ONLY exonerated on the college course thing. Romney’s religion was dragged through the mud too.

Do you support Ron Paul?
Are you going to do as Jonah outside of
Nineva and eagerly await the destruction of those who rejected you. Or
are you going to let your ideas get a chance to soak in? Either you you
don’t have faith in your ideas or you don’t have faith in the
marketplace of ideas. So then do you just look forward to our demise for satisfaction,
pouting?

He supports nothing that Obama supports. If you are referring to the ONE thing, Romneycare, you need to read up on the history how Romneycare came about. He fought tooth and nail, by Veto which was overrun on multiple occasions, small business mandates and more. MA was pushing for single paying in a state of 85% democrats. He deserves a conservative medal for it. As for Obamacare, there is only so much he can accomplish with executive order. He will try to turn as much back to the states as he can.

Let’s not forget to mention that Romney refused pay for the olympics, Governorship and for saving Bain And Co (Not Bain Capital which was never in trouble)

There are dozens of stories like the one above. Some were told at the convention. What about finding the missing girl in New York

Yes I don’t know why the bigot machine hates the thought that God is in control I love it why because you know things will eventually get done right. I don’t even think he was talking about being a slave to the government but just respecting the laws but he never said to follow them if they go against your faith. Didn’t he die himself not giving into government demands for him to deny Christ but neither did he try to escape. I think God was for the revolution how else would a bunch of farmers that have no experience in fighting won and goes to only prove my point the government is set up by God. It was not unheard of God sending armies and revolutions to punish governments he did it to Israel his own chosen people. The early Christian church forbid Roman soldiers in their ranks from taken the oath of Cesar. How he think that Romans 13:1-7 is worshiping government it is just saying respect the laws and not to start a bloody coup. Which if he knew early church history he would know that the Jews where trying that very thing against the Romans and look how that turned out. He pick Saul David and Solomon to rule why can’t he have a hand at wins this election? I can’t understand his hatred for the biblical word of God.

He can’t run on facts and even being truthful because the He does not care about this country he only cares about Mitt being a Mormon. I would bet a hundred bucks that if he was catholic he would his greatest supporter. The bigot Machine says I want a theocracy but can’t vote for a Mormon because he hates the thought of Mormon in the white house. You can clearly see it in his post. Christ was not about that yes he did call out evil when saw it but he did not bash it over people’s heads over and over again out of pure hate. This is why I had a falling out with him in the past. I was doing God’s work and threw me he talked to a young woman away from the Louis Farrakhan bigotry but he was the only one that took offense to that. Do I know if she was telling the truth of course not but when God says for you to do something than you better. That is the deference between people like him and us we do what is right even if sometimes we disagree with the methods sometimes. I am a slave to God he is a salve to his own hatred. There is no coming back from that his hatred is so clear that he is willing to lie about people and try to drive wedges between people in pure spite of the fact people have options different from his. I and Sandie disagree from time to time like you just seen but we both respect each other differences. This country is trouble if someone like him gets in it will be like a dictator just took over the government and we all have to agree or be label as enemy of the state.

Yes not very conservative tho I think that a church has a right to choose about what they want to do about gay marriage but you don’t see them wanting to protect that choice in there platform when they talk about it and it will be the only way I would be for it. It all most looks like the liberals took over their party.

Truth hypocrite you lied about me since the first time you attacked me.

Look the reason I was fighting him because he went straight for the personal attacks on me calling me liberal and saying I want a theocracy and tried to drive a wedge between me and my friends. That is why I got mad at him. I would of happily ignored him because the hatred he carries is for Mormonism and is willing to throw conservatives under the bus it feed that hatred. I respect you for trying to reason with him but as you can see he can’t be reasoned with because he is still calling 80% of conservatives like you and me liberal.

Record of achievements? LMAO

I’m guessing Home Depot’s probably not hiring out there either. If it’s any consolation, living on your own is over rated. I did it for a while, but my family and friends just drew me back.

I still think the arguments are a tad excessive. But you have to hold your own, I’m sure you guys will beat each other to death, but hopefully you’ll both end up with some sense of understanding. Take care:)

That is something I do not want right now I just like people who don’t know me at all labeling me something I am not. Those were a dark times in my past that I left behind and don’t like to remember.

No afraid not. I got close once their this pizza shop nearby that would of hired me if I owned a car but they put me on a short list for cooking staff that reminds me I have to check that out again. I tried living on my own to for about two months I would have been down their longer if I was not lied to about a job boy that was a mess. I don’t want to move far because this area is just great good people great scenery a lot of wild life great friends.

I appreciate your concern for life, but you are comparing apples to oranges. It was not fetus lives that earned you the freedom you are pampered with everyday, it was the men and women who fought for American pride. And that same American pride fought in retaliation to Pearl Harbor to show that you don’t mess with America. And again in 9/11. Unfortunately Commander & Chief and economist expert are two separate jobs that fall under one role in the presidency, but making decision to use the might of the VOLUNTEERS who made a CHOICE to serve in the military is not the same as ordering the execution of babies who have NO CHOICE. Its unfortunate we care about trees and animals and give them more respect than human life.

I think the point trying to be made is although someone can claim their faith doesn’t believe something just because someone in their faith claimed it for them, if the scriptures they hold as authority say otherwise then that must truly be what they believe (doctrinal, not personal). Although there is a “pop” Mormon belief (popular/common belief at this point in time) that denies many Mormon doctrines of old, their scriptures speak plainly about what they believe and unfortunately because of the hierarchy many of the members don’t realize those doctrines until they get closer to the top.

This isn’t meant to be a hateful message, just stating the facts, no matter what the new pop message is, Mormonism will always be seen by its scriptural doctrine because that is the only way to observe it unbiased.

Unfortunately as we all know bullies feed on your frustration. When they know they’ve got your goat they go all out. I try not to type angry, if you take the emotion out of the post and just go for pure logic there is nothing they can work with. I always argue to the fullest, but with full control. Hope this helps!

Well he is not replying to me anymore which I am thankful for so I am in the clear. I know enough about him to be a pain in his side and he knows it. he makes some good points but he going about it the wrong way.

Hey, remember it is just a blog site. I hate to see you so frustrated. I just look at it this way, if you’re not enjoying the conversation, it’s best not to have it, for your own sanity. But of course if you’re a scrapper like me, than your getting out your frustrations, which is also good.

I am mad because someone I thought I could trust is selling me out to this child. I was having fun until I found out one of my best friends sold me out and gave very personal information about a meltdown I had because I could not find work. They made this personal to me by doing this. at least I know without a doubt Mitt is the right choice because these guys in how they attack people their own friends at one time and using their trust as a political weapon you have to question if their heart is truly in the right place. They were sending a message to me if I don’t comply with what they believe they are going to reveal things I told them about me. Well what they don’t about me is that you can’t push me with threats because it will just make me believe in my cause more and make me more stubborn. In applying these tactics pushed me away completely.

I’m sorry to hear about this, I know It’s hard some time not to place a personal post here or there, but I assume everything you posted you believe in, so don’t worry about what they say. I guess I’m at the point in my life where if it doesn’t physically hurt me or take away my lively hood, words really don’t matter. I have pretty thick skin being a land lord and all. You’ll be fine, those who already respect your voice would not be influenced by the ramblings of others:)

This reminds me of high school. You got your friends but you also got the bullies and the back stabbing girls who spread rumors and lies about others how the hell did the political land scape get so screwed up? We all want Obama gone this war that these started on a lot of people just make no sense. Me and Gray Wolfs had a heated argument but we both never took it this far and even made up even tho we still disagree. I can’t understand it anymore. I lost faith in people once before because of all of the hateful B.S. I went through in high school and even some time after that. I grateful that I do know good people like you and my other friends on here and in my home town and church and I talk to them and know we stand on a rock. All these people can do is attack us personally I wish they didn’t but I can’t stop them anymore than I can stop the earth from spinning. I know in my heart we need to vote for Mitt I see no other way around that. I even feel he will win deep in my gut. I also know if Obama does win their will be no country left to fight over you don’t need to see the future to see that. I am leaving these trolls alone all they want to do is hurt me because l left their group and I will never stand with a group that makes fun of a dying man and wishes him gone soon that is the most telling sign to me that I made the right choice to side with you guys.

Personal attacks are unfounded for sure. I appreciate you kind words and your friendship. We will stand together to take down that dictator for sure. As a positive side note there is a lot of third party candidates that are on the ballot that are attracting a lot of attention away from the would be Obama supporters. I think it will ultimately balance itself out. Those voting for the libertarian candidate are actually a small percentage in comparison to the libertarians who truly understand the threat that Obama poses to this country. Most of us know that the libertarian party will not even exist if Obama takes his throne.

I don’t even care who they vote for as long it is not for our first king.

I am going to start a new profile up so I don’t have her following me maybe she will get the hint. I go using the last one I had before so if you see anyone new following you it is just me.

No problem, by the way who is this person following you? If I ever catch her saying anything about you, I’ll let ya know.

Just some crazy woman.

A Bone 2 Pick is she following you?

Before I converted to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints I had a brain. I studied the Bible. In spite of what my church believed at that time, I knew Christ was not in the garden praying to himself and that he was not crying out to himself on the cross. You need to read your Bible a bit closer. It was my thorough study of the Bible that helped me to recognize the fullness of the gospel when I heard it. Believe what you may and you will be rewarded accordingly. If you are not voting for Romney because of his faith, you are a narrow minded male who has lived in a barrel for the past four years. the future of our country depends upon this election. Wake up!

I want a president who will stand up for Americans. Not one who will apologize to those who kill them. I want one who will actually help other people off the record long before he was running for president. I want one who is compassionate in real life with his family and to his fellow man. We are looking like the weakest nation on this earth. We are actually giving billions of aid to the countries that are storming our embassies. You need to look at the issues. I do not want my tax dollars going for the needless murduring of babies, many who are alive and breathing that have been denied medical care. they are so many issues that Obama has totally neglected or bungled this website could not list them all.

Yes, she is fine with me. I know you were having a small disagreement but she seems sensible enough. What she said was true about the Republicans at the RNC, Mark Levin and many others were just floored by it. But we’re still voting Mitt, it’s really Americas last hope, sucks but it’s true. We just need to elect people to congress that will listen. We have to write to are representatives, let them know what we want. We will still have that slim chance with Romney.

I just going to let this go and move on with my life. It is not healthy for me to hold on to this anger and I always believe that you can’t make it to heaven carrying hate with you. As for Mark Levin and others it depends for me who they supported in the election. I trust these politicians about as much as I do Satan so this could be just sore losers or they could be telling the truth there is no way to tell for sure. I am a reluctant supporter of Mitt.

Mark Levin is a radio show host an very good friend of Shawn Hannity. He wrote a book called Liberty and Tyranny and Ameritopia. A very common sense, logical conservative.

A Mormon missionary is more compassionate experience that a Communist community organizer, any day .

Media is too proud to admit they did not do their job in 2008, and now thay are too proud to back away now. Pride . Pride. Pride and lazy stupidity

I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints  (known to many as “Mormons”)   My beliefs are sacred to me, they do not harm anyone else, in fact, they benefit others because we are constantly being taught to serve others, they raise me up to want to be a better person…… and for you to twist and turn them, and to distort them, and to point your finger and mock them, reflects negitvely on you.  Your presentation of things I believe, is partially true and mostly false, for example…..I have never been taught or ever even heard that Jesus had children……I don’t know if He was married, but I think He could have been, it would have been possible, marriage is not a bad thing.   I don’t know and it doesn’t matter but I have never heard it “taught” in church. The fact is that you can take any religion, and to a NON BELIEVER….It all comes off as crazy theology.  Bottom line and what should be important to voters….members of the L.D.S. church are taught to be honest, loving, caring and just plain good people.  We are taught to be respectful and kind amd serve others.  We love this nation, we tend to be very patriotic.  We believe that the Constitution was inspired by God and that our freedom is a precious God given right.  We beleive that people need to be taught correct principles and then make their choices, right or wrong.   L.D.S. people do not claim to be “perfect”, but most of us (those who are truely converted) are trying to be good.  I have never attacked a candidate for his/her spiritual beliefs, as long as what they believe does not hurt others…..but rather I am concerned with the content of their character.  Mitt Romney has amazing character….he is not perfect….no one is, but he is a good man.    

If you are interested in Mitt’s religion, you can learn about it at http://www.lds.org/?lang=eng

I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (known to many as “Mormons”) My beliefs are sacred to me, they do not harm anyone else, in fact, they benefit others because we are constantly being taught to serve others, they raise me up to want to be a better person…… and for you to twist and turn them, and to distort them, and to point your finger and mock them, reflects negitvely on you. Your presentation of things I believe, is partially true and mostly false, for example…..I have never been taught or ever even heard that Jesus had children……I don’t know if He was married, but I think He could have been, it would have been possible, marriage is not a bad thing. I don’t know and it doesn’t matter but I have never heard it “taught” in church. The fact is that you can take any religion, and to a NON BELIEVER….It all comes off as crazy theology. Bottom line and what should be important to voters….members of the L.D.S. church are taught to be honest, loving, caring and just plain good people. We are taught to be respectful and kind amd serve others. We love this nation, we tend to be very patriotic. We believe that the Constitution was inspired by God and that our freedom is a precious God given right. We beleive that people need to be taught correct principles and then make their choices, right or wrong. L.D.S. people do not claim to be “perfect”, but most of us (those who are truely converted) are trying to be good. I have never attacked a candidate for his/her spiritual beliefs, as long as what they believe does not hurt others…..but rather I am concerned with the content of their character. Mitt Romney has amazing character….he is not perfect….no one is, but he is a good man.   

Excellent post. If only Obama didn’t make the impression that Romney was a bad man, maybe I’d believe him.

You know, whenever I hear stories like this, it makes me feel like I want to laugh. Not laugh at the good deed, but it gives me butterflies and urge to do the same. It makes me think that maybe the world isn’t all that bad, but then I see people, like Obama, making bad images out of a good person like Mitt Romney. Not that, makes me want to cry.

HA HA This is the real Mitt too. It didn’t matter who won the election, because the status quo always gets to win. Tweedle dee and Tweedle dum. Watch the youtube video called something like, “Romney Obama the same” and you will see how they are reading from the same teleprompter.