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		<title>By: Carol Eblen</title>
		<link>http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/09/26/new-york-times-we-need-death-panels/#comment-217843</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Eblen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 21:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IPAB will not be a death panel.    Because of overtreatment of the elderly at the end of life for the profit motive has not been stopped by either political party,  the elderly and very ill are in great danger of having their lives shortened without their informed consent.   

The three laws ---that is (l)  The Age Discriminatin Statute,  (2)  the Hospice and Pallliative Care Statute,  and (3) The Patient Self Determination Act of 1991 hav e resulted in patients being hung out on a limb where they can be both OVERTREATED for profit and UNDERTREATED for profit withing their INFORMED  CONSENT.   

Why has there been no Federal Mandate for physicians to seek informed consent for either curative care or palliative care from their elderly and very sick patients?    Why weren&#039;t the physicians put under the mandate of the 1991 PSDA to begin with?   

It&#039;s always about money~~~~~~!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IPAB will not be a death panel.    Because of overtreatment of the elderly at the end of life for the profit motive has not been stopped by either political party,  the elderly and very ill are in great danger of having their lives shortened without their informed consent.   </p>
<p>The three laws &#8212;that is (l)  The Age Discriminatin Statute,  (2)  the Hospice and Pallliative Care Statute,  and (3) The Patient Self Determination Act of 1991 hav e resulted in patients being hung out on a limb where they can be both OVERTREATED for profit and UNDERTREATED for profit withing their INFORMED  CONSENT.   </p>
<p>Why has there been no Federal Mandate for physicians to seek informed consent for either curative care or palliative care from their elderly and very sick patients?    Why weren&#8217;t the physicians put under the mandate of the 1991 PSDA to begin with?   </p>
<p>It&#8217;s always about money~~~~~~!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Eblen</title>
		<link>http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/09/26/new-york-times-we-need-death-panels/#comment-217839</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Eblen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 21:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because of the Age Discrimination Law,  the Hospice and Palliative Care Law in 1986,   and the inadequate  Patient Self Determination Act (PSDA) passed in 1991,  both policitical parties have hung the old people out on a limb and are sometimes shortening the lives of the elderly without their informed consent.    Yes ---they  (physicians/hospitals)  are &quot;offing&quot;  the elderly for $$$$$$ as necessary when the physicians/hospitals know they will not be fully reimbursed for the care of the elderly under CMS reimbursement protocol.       .    

The problem of OVERTREATMENT of the ELDERLY and very ill is driven by the profit motive.   Because physicians lobbied NOT to be placed under the provisions of the PSDA in 1991,  and,  of course,,  they WERE NOT!,  Physicians do NOT have to SEEK INFORMED CONSENT for one of two legal standards of care reimbursed by Medicare,    i.e.,  either curative or palliative,  from their elderly and very sick patients.   Physicians  don&#039;t have to tell elderly patients that  there is the OPTION of doing nothing and then transitioning to palliative care and Hospice .except in those States,  like NY,  where they have passed new laws that force physicians to inform patients about Hospice and Palliatie Care.  

Physicians (because of the inadequate PSDA)  apparently don&#039;t have to seek consent for one of the two legal standards of care,  except in NY and a few other states,  and therefore are free to overtreat the elderly patients when they KNOW or there is a good possibility  that CMS and the private insurers will reimburse them for the treatment (as required by law).   

Because the physicians wouldn&#039;t cooperate and seek informed consent for the standard of care that both the physician and the patient agree is  the most beneficial in the long run,  many elderly patients are cruelly overtreated and exploited at the end of their lives for profits.   .   

We now have to have  IPAB to dev elop an End-Of-Life Standard of Care that provides beneficial treatment to the elderly whose great age is a co-morbidity factor in many cases and who do have the right to shorten their lives and, thus, their suffering by refusing life-safing and life-extending treatment as permitted under the 1991 PSDA    The very ill elderly are given this right in the 1991 PSDA even when the refused life-extending or life-saving treatment has NOT been deemed to be medically futile by the physician and the hospitasl.     .            </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because of the Age Discrimination Law,  the Hospice and Palliative Care Law in 1986,   and the inadequate  Patient Self Determination Act (PSDA) passed in 1991,  both policitical parties have hung the old people out on a limb and are sometimes shortening the lives of the elderly without their informed consent.    Yes &#8212;they  (physicians/hospitals)  are &#8220;offing&#8221;  the elderly for $$$$$$ as necessary when the physicians/hospitals know they will not be fully reimbursed for the care of the elderly under CMS reimbursement protocol.       .    </p>
<p>The problem of OVERTREATMENT of the ELDERLY and very ill is driven by the profit motive.   Because physicians lobbied NOT to be placed under the provisions of the PSDA in 1991,  and,  of course,,  they WERE NOT!,  Physicians do NOT have to SEEK INFORMED CONSENT for one of two legal standards of care reimbursed by Medicare,    i.e.,  either curative or palliative,  from their elderly and very sick patients.   Physicians  don&#8217;t have to tell elderly patients that  there is the OPTION of doing nothing and then transitioning to palliative care and Hospice .except in those States,  like NY,  where they have passed new laws that force physicians to inform patients about Hospice and Palliatie Care.  </p>
<p>Physicians (because of the inadequate PSDA)  apparently don&#8217;t have to seek consent for one of the two legal standards of care,  except in NY and a few other states,  and therefore are free to overtreat the elderly patients when they KNOW or there is a good possibility  that CMS and the private insurers will reimburse them for the treatment (as required by law).   </p>
<p>Because the physicians wouldn&#8217;t cooperate and seek informed consent for the standard of care that both the physician and the patient agree is  the most beneficial in the long run,  many elderly patients are cruelly overtreated and exploited at the end of their lives for profits.   .   </p>
<p>We now have to have  IPAB to dev elop an End-Of-Life Standard of Care that provides beneficial treatment to the elderly whose great age is a co-morbidity factor in many cases and who do have the right to shorten their lives and, thus, their suffering by refusing life-safing and life-extending treatment as permitted under the 1991 PSDA    The very ill elderly are given this right in the 1991 PSDA even when the refused life-extending or life-saving treatment has NOT been deemed to be medically futile by the physician and the hospitasl.     .           </p>
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		<title>By: Carol Cross</title>
		<link>http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/09/26/new-york-times-we-need-death-panels/#comment-170309</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 19:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As to the American Bar Association Resolution that is now before the Congress of the USA,  and the three recommendations of the ABA:---that might result in voluntary self-rationing of health care by the elderly:at the end of life.    I quote,  as follows:
l.   Every patient or patient&#039;s authorized representative be given an opportunity to discuss issues relating to advance care planning with an appropriately trained professional within a reasonable time after the patient&#039;s admission to a facility covered by the PSDA.  2.  Health insurance exchanges developed pursuant to thePatient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010 be required under the PSDA   to provide advance care planning informatikon and resource options for follow-up assistance, and 3.  In the absence of a validly executed advance directive,  any clear, undisputed expression of a person&#039;s wishes with respect to health care should be honored.   
Number (3),  of course,  appears to be  a means to cover up  the erosion of the protection of the 1991 PSDA as concerns &quot;full code&quot; protection for those patients who DO NOT make advanced directives that permit DNR code status to be placed in the hospital charts.   Because the PSDA has been UNDERUSED since 1991 to shorten life to shorten suffering,  there has been a movement to legalize the unilateral DNR (based upon the request for &quot;NO CPR&quot;)   upon admission of elderly and ill patients to the hospital.   While the treating physician   has the legal and ethical obligation to inform the patient that there is a DNR in the patient&#039;s hospital chart,  and that the patient has as right to protest the DNR if they want CPR,  DNR is becoming the unilateral &quot;DEFAULT&quot; status for elderly patients.    CMS does not fully reimburse hospitals/physicians who OVERTREAT MedicareMedicaid patients in end-of-life scenarios and the default DNRs offer a means of protecting the bottom lines of the hospitalls/physicians.    
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to the American Bar Association Resolution that is now before the Congress of the USA,  and the three recommendations of the ABA:&#8212;that might result in voluntary self-rationing of health care by the elderly:at the end of life.    I quote,  as follows:<br />
l.   Every patient or patient&#8217;s authorized representative be given an opportunity to discuss issues relating to advance care planning with an appropriately trained professional within a reasonable time after the patient&#8217;s admission to a facility covered by the PSDA.  2.  Health insurance exchanges developed pursuant to thePatient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010 be required under the PSDA   to provide advance care planning informatikon and resource options for follow-up assistance, and 3.  In the absence of a validly executed advance directive,  any clear, undisputed expression of a person&#8217;s wishes with respect to health care should be honored.<br />
Number (3),  of course,  appears to be  a means to cover up  the erosion of the protection of the 1991 PSDA as concerns &#8220;full code&#8221; protection for those patients who DO NOT make advanced directives that permit DNR code status to be placed in the hospital charts.   Because the PSDA has been UNDERUSED since 1991 to shorten life to shorten suffering,  there has been a movement to legalize the unilateral DNR (based upon the request for &#8220;NO CPR&#8221;)   upon admission of elderly and ill patients to the hospital.   While the treating physician   has the legal and ethical obligation to inform the patient that there is a DNR in the patient&#8217;s hospital chart,  and that the patient has as right to protest the DNR if they want CPR,  DNR is becoming the unilateral &#8220;DEFAULT&#8221; status for elderly patients.    CMS does not fully reimburse hospitals/physicians who OVERTREAT MedicareMedicaid patients in end-of-life scenarios and the default DNRs offer a means of protecting the bottom lines of the hospitalls/physicians.<br />
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		<title>By: Carol Cross</title>
		<link>http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/09/26/new-york-times-we-need-death-panels/#comment-170267</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 17:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, a kind of rationing of health care for elderly Medicare/Medicaid patients with life-threatening diseases has been going on for many years now ----under the radar and for the purpose of cutting the high costs incurred by Acute Care Hospitals for ICU and CCU time for elderly patients who have already achieved &quot;life expectancy&quot; based on reliable statistics. Overtreatment of the elderly for PROFIT and Under-treatment of the elderly to protect PROFITS is currently a problem that is hidden from elderly patients and from public view and understanding. It is public policy to encourage the elderly to shorten their lives and to shorten their suffering when death is lurking around the corner but, of course, the 1991 Patient Self Determination Act and the protections implied therein --i.e., the RIGHT to shorten one&#039;s life in the hospital by refusing life-extending care, and the RIGHT to extend one&#039;s life by means of CPR that would traslate to FULL CODE status in the hospital are both being CIRCUMVENTED. This is not a political thing. Both parties are complicit in that HHS for many years has never prosecuted the discrimination that is prohibited in the 1991 PSDA and there is NO PRIVATE RIGHT of action anyway if there is discrimination. The PSDA of 1991 needs to be clarified and strengthened by The Congress (there is already an ABA Resolution before the Congress) and the President or Secretary of HHS really needs to MANDATE that physicians SEEK informed consent for either palliative or curative care from elderly very ill patients to stop the overtreatment of patients for profit and the undertreatment (unilateral DNR&#039;s) to protect the bottom lines of the hospitals. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, a kind of rationing of health care for elderly Medicare/Medicaid patients with life-threatening diseases has been going on for many years now &#8212;-under the radar and for the purpose of cutting the high costs incurred by Acute Care Hospitals for ICU and CCU time for elderly patients who have already achieved &#8220;life expectancy&#8221; based on reliable statistics. Overtreatment of the elderly for PROFIT and Under-treatment of the elderly to protect PROFITS is currently a problem that is hidden from elderly patients and from public view and understanding. It is public policy to encourage the elderly to shorten their lives and to shorten their suffering when death is lurking around the corner but, of course, the 1991 Patient Self Determination Act and the protections implied therein &#8211;i.e., the RIGHT to shorten one&#8217;s life in the hospital by refusing life-extending care, and the RIGHT to extend one&#8217;s life by means of CPR that would traslate to FULL CODE status in the hospital are both being CIRCUMVENTED. This is not a political thing. Both parties are complicit in that HHS for many years has never prosecuted the discrimination that is prohibited in the 1991 PSDA and there is NO PRIVATE RIGHT of action anyway if there is discrimination. The PSDA of 1991 needs to be clarified and strengthened by The Congress (there is already an ABA Resolution before the Congress) and the President or Secretary of HHS really needs to MANDATE that physicians SEEK informed consent for either palliative or curative care from elderly very ill patients to stop the overtreatment of patients for profit and the undertreatment (unilateral DNR&#8217;s) to protect the bottom lines of the hospitals.</p>
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		<title>By: ValueSet</title>
		<link>http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/09/26/new-york-times-we-need-death-panels/#comment-170190</link>
		<dc:creator>ValueSet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 06:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paolina, I won&#039;t waste any more of my time responding to your absurdities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paolina, I won&#8217;t waste any more of my time responding to your absurdities.</p>
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		<title>By: ValueSet</title>
		<link>http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/09/26/new-york-times-we-need-death-panels/#comment-170188</link>
		<dc:creator>ValueSet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 06:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;51 Presidents since the Articles of Confederation&quot;... and because &quot;you&quot; decide that is where we should start counting Presidents, that 
makes it so ? Sorry, but I am using a different starting point_ with George Washington being the first President of the United States of America. So we can agree to disagree. Obama is the 44th President, but Grover Cleveland is counted twice, once as the 22nd, and as the 24th president. He did not serve 2 consecutive terms, so Cleveland is counted as the 22nd  President, and the 24th President . Can you understand that ? Oh yeah, and good luck with banning lawyers from running and holding elected office. You have a right to your opinions, and to voice them, but you really are ridiculous and absurd. Hope you do have to go to court someday, and that you represent yourself: &quot;He who is his own lawyer has a fool for a client.&quot; My father-in-law, brother-in-law,and son-in-law are lawyers; my uncle is a judge. Better men you will not find, they are men of great ethics and character, and do much &quot;pro bono&quot; (they don&#039;t charge the client) work.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;51 Presidents since the Articles of Confederation&#8221;&#8230; and because &#8220;you&#8221; decide that is where we should start counting Presidents, that<br />
makes it so ? Sorry, but I am using a different starting point_ with George Washington being the first President of the United States of America. So we can agree to disagree. Obama is the 44th President, but Grover Cleveland is counted twice, once as the 22nd, and as the 24th president. He did not serve 2 consecutive terms, so Cleveland is counted as the 22nd  President, and the 24th President . Can you understand that ? Oh yeah, and good luck with banning lawyers from running and holding elected office. You have a right to your opinions, and to voice them, but you really are ridiculous and absurd. Hope you do have to go to court someday, and that you represent yourself: &#8220;He who is his own lawyer has a fool for a client.&#8221; My father-in-law, brother-in-law,and son-in-law are lawyers; my uncle is a judge. Better men you will not find, they are men of great ethics and character, and do much &#8220;pro bono&#8221; (they don&#8217;t charge the client) work.</p>
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		<title>By: Paolina</title>
		<link>http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/09/26/new-york-times-we-need-death-panels/#comment-169950</link>
		<dc:creator>Paolina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 13:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, you are wrong. There have been 51 Presidents since the Articles of Confederation, and Obama is the 44th since the Constitution. I count the Articles of Confederation because it was the best government man ever created (whereas the Constitution created a bigger government that eventually suspended habeas corpus and waged war on half the country that tried to leave only decades after creation).


As for lawyers I was actually interested in becoming one, but the lawyers and professors who spoke at or taught the classes I attended, in a conservative university no less, basically said you &quot;have&quot; to advocate for things you don&#039;t believe in, because for example your clients are often guilty of the crimes but you still defend them.

What&#039;s worse is hearing them defend frivolous lawsuits (which is destroying thousands of small businesses every year) but you have to understand to them, destroying the wealth of an innocent businessman seems pretty weak stuff compared to defending murderers and rapists.

Lawyers should be BANNED from politics because they shouldn&#039;t be able to write the laws that they then earn money from arguing in court. It&#039;s a conflict of interest because then the laws are written in ways that benefit those who use lawyers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, you are wrong. There have been 51 Presidents since the Articles of Confederation, and Obama is the 44th since the Constitution. I count the Articles of Confederation because it was the best government man ever created (whereas the Constitution created a bigger government that eventually suspended habeas corpus and waged war on half the country that tried to leave only decades after creation).</p>
<p>As for lawyers I was actually interested in becoming one, but the lawyers and professors who spoke at or taught the classes I attended, in a conservative university no less, basically said you &#8220;have&#8221; to advocate for things you don&#8217;t believe in, because for example your clients are often guilty of the crimes but you still defend them.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s worse is hearing them defend frivolous lawsuits (which is destroying thousands of small businesses every year) but you have to understand to them, destroying the wealth of an innocent businessman seems pretty weak stuff compared to defending murderers and rapists.</p>
<p>Lawyers should be BANNED from politics because they shouldn&#8217;t be able to write the laws that they then earn money from arguing in court. It&#8217;s a conflict of interest because then the laws are written in ways that benefit those who use lawyers.</p>
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		<title>By: Margo Wohlford</title>
		<link>http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/09/26/new-york-times-we-need-death-panels/#comment-169924</link>
		<dc:creator>Margo Wohlford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 01:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had an elderly friend back when Bush was President. He was turned down for a kidney because of his age. Guess this has been going on for a while. He died and I miss him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had an elderly friend back when Bush was President. He was turned down for a kidney because of his age. Guess this has been going on for a while. He died and I miss him.</p>
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		<title>By: landofaahs</title>
		<link>http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/09/26/new-york-times-we-need-death-panels/#comment-169678</link>
		<dc:creator>landofaahs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 13:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL.  I understand that when that happens, something else on you shrinks in direct proportion, and it&#039;s not your feet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL.  I understand that when that happens, something else on you shrinks in direct proportion, and it&#8217;s not your feet.</p>
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		<title>By: americanathlete</title>
		<link>http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/09/26/new-york-times-we-need-death-panels/#comment-169412</link>
		<dc:creator>americanathlete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@landofaahs: You assume? I&#039;m surprised his nose hasn&#039;t grown 20 feet from all the lies he&#039;s told. Pinocchiobama</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@landofaahs: You assume? I&#8217;m surprised his nose hasn&#8217;t grown 20 feet from all the lies he&#8217;s told. Pinocchiobama</p>
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