Secession talk grows to all 50 states

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All the talk of secession has spread through the United States like wildfire. It’s really something that shouldn’t be taken lightly – after all, conservatives mocked Alec Baldwin for claiming he’d leave the states if Bush won. Why are they now lining up to secede? The bigger question Glenn has: why in the world would you sign that petition? On the White House website?

“I’m having an argument with a dear friend of mine who wants to sign this petition at WhiteHouse.gov to secede and I’m like, ‘Stop.’ She said, ‘I’m not going to do nothing. I’ve got to do something. I’m not going to just sit around and do nothing. This is for my grandchildren and my children.’ And I’m like, ‘No. No.’” Glenn said. “You’re giving your name to data collectors.”

“There’s nothing on the positive side,” Stu added. He pointed out that even if the petition gets a lot of signatures, President Obama isn’t going to suddenly tell states to leave.

“What about Iowa? Can Iowa sustain themselves?” Pat asked. “California would not be able to do it now with all the help they are getting. Texas is probably the only state that could sustain itself.”

Texas does have a significant number of resources, including natural gas and oil. They also have their own state-controlled power grid. All of that plus a booming economy that has added over a million jobs while the rest of the country has been embroiled in a recession.

“I think there’s a general frustration with the government that gets, you know, illustrated by things like this. But the vast majority of people want to make America better. We love America,” Stu said.

“Here’s what’s really interesting. This is the difference between progressives and conservatives or libertarians. We say we want to secede. The progressives say I’m moving to France. We don’t want to move to France. We want to live here. We love it here. We love the Constitution. We want to live here, under our Constitution. You want to live in France. So when you want to make us France or China, we say there’s already that country. You should go try that country because you’ll love it,” Glenn said.

Glenn then got serious, saying the calls for secession show a growing frustration among conservatives who are for freedom, and part of that freedom involves not being trapped when blue states vote to put the country on a path of progressivism.

“We want to live our life a certain way. That’s why we came here. If you don’t like it, that’s fine. And that’s why when people said peaceful secession, I believe they really mean it. I don’t really care what happens to Massachusetts. I don’t. I don’t. I want the people to be happy and everything else. But I never fought them on universal healthcare in Massachusetts. If that’s what you want, that’s fine. California, I love California. Massachusetts, not so much. California I love. I’ve always wanted to live in California. I love to visit California. Not so much lately, but I like to visit. I have always wanted to live there. I would build my company there if it wasn’t so crazy. But it is. Okay, so it’s crazy. You want to vote crazy? Vote crazy all you want. I’m not paying for it,” Glenn said.

“We’re not talking about getting rid of the United States of America. We’re saying we want to be separate and independent states. We want to work together. We’ll still be a union. I don’t have a problem with California. Don’t tell me what to do with my land and my town. We’re making that decision. That’s what’s made us unique,” Glenn said.

“Yeah, it’s the constitutional argument. We’d love to have a place where everybody, all the states work together and that the federal government does the things that, you know, we give it power to do, such as national defense. The major big things that we do together.” Stu clarified.

“Right,” Glenn said.

“And we disagree. I disagree with the people in California, Massachusetts with the choices that they are making tore their own state. I go there and I think you’re nuts. But that’s okay. That’s your right to be nuts,” Glenn said. “I don’t want to be a separate country. I really don’t. I’m proud to be an American. I don’t want to be a separate country. I just want to honor the Constitution. And many states are no longer honoring the Constitution. The federal government is no longer honoring the Constitution. That’s what we mean. Honor the Constitution. The Constitution now and forever.”

  • landofaahs

    Glenn.  I’m getting a little sick of your restoration talk which is nothing more than an extension of your religious beliefs.  If you really believe in restoring, maybe we should restore our relationship with England and live under their tyranny again.
    Our founders wanted Independence.  The only way it was possible was to separate.  You say the constitution is not a suicide pact and then go right on to say we must stay in it.  Timing is everything and now is not the time.  But there is a time and a season for every purpose under heaven.

  • Anonymous

    What is happening before our eyes – Prophecy fulfilled

    Prophecy has spelled out in great detail what lies ahead for America. Our immediate future has been written down in the pages of the bible – its there for all to see.

    It is written – America will fall. A bloody civil-war is just around the corner. One third of our people will be killed in its wake. Another one third will be killed by enemy attack, the remaining third will be forced away as slaves, where a full 90% will die in captivity.

    The general public scoff at such talk…but what is happening – this very minute in America – is the beginning of the end of our people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Irina-Krasnyuk/745534442 Irina Krasnyuk

    hold on

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Irina-Krasnyuk/745534442 Irina Krasnyuk

    just leave it untill the committee on course and standing approves it

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GDOU6BBHOP6O27FRAGUJATPLFM Laura

    It is obvious that coexistence is not possible, the right conservative, vs the left progressive are contrary to each other, therefore you would think that everyone would want to be separated from each other without hesitation or grievance, otherwise a catastrophe is in waiting, we are at the precipice now, we must come up with ideas to start separating the country, like minds want to be with like minds, so why should this be such a huge problem? You already know the answers to this…..

  • Anonymous

    You succession folk are silly. 

  • Draxx

    Too many Americans seem  to be confused and not sure what they want, and/or the Price it is going to cost (either Monetarily, Physically, or in Deaths)….

  • Anonymous

    Libertarians are the only ones that will fix this mess. Vote a straight libertarian ticket in the next election.

  • Anonymous

    The more I listen to Glenn and his sycophants, I the more I realize he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

  • ThorsteinVeblen2012

    Our “Founders” wanted to steal Native American land and didn’t want to be encumbered with the treaties the British had made. They didn’t want to share in the profits from the pillage.

    Our “Founders” rewrote the Articles of Confederation to limit democracy. Many of them argued not to have a Bill of Rights which they had as British subjects.

    Our “Founders” the people that wrote the Constitution thought an elite group of them should govern. They made the argument that they would not be swayed by greed. 

    They were wrong.

  • Anonymous

     He’s in it for the money.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_R2MPMCHEL2FBQ4AODVSG2VOLCY D. L.

    You’re funny! No, you really are! The way you misspelled “secession” really was priceless. You were joking……..right?

  • Anonymous

     Hehe.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sharon-McClendon/1226442917 Sharon McClendon

    I signed the petition on the white house website as a protest.
    But I also posted a copy on Governor Perry’s website and for our state legislature.  And posted one for the Congress of the United States.  I am tired of being ignored and called a racist.

  • Mary Ellen Wright

    We are in California and we feel the same way you do but the majority in our state does not.  We don’t have the $ to leave and hardly have the $ to stay but bottom line, God is not telling us to leave.  So here we are praying, staying active in Truth and hoping some how some way it changes.  

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JXSGM4T4TZH5DJZSHI6XYDQJL4 MrBuzzBoy

    I have never been a conspiracy theorist.  I have never wanted to believe that most Americans actually don’t want to be contributing members of society.  I have never actually thought that my country would not be able to learn from the huge history of mistakes made in Europe.  We are the new frontier.  We are the New World.  Why do so many want to be the Old World again?  It is because we have failed in educating our young and our immigrants in what it really means to be an American.  We have let ourselves be fragmented by race and nationality and sex and religion and personal beliefs.  We have let ourselves become those that the Founding Fathers sought to escape.  The Constitution was created to give us the framework to prevent this.  The Constitution IS the framework to get us out of this.  We must, as unhyphenated Americans (not African-Americans, or Irish-Americans, or Gay-Americans, or Catholic-Americans, or any other *-Americans), stand up and DEMAND that out government uphold our Country’s contract with us.  We must educate our uninformed of what it means to be an American.  We should all study for the Citizenship test and reaffirm our allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible with Liberty and Justice for all.

    We should not be the one leaving the country.  Those who do not believe in our principles should be ousted.

  • Elizabeth Bracy

    Occam’s Razor (where the simplest answer is generally the right one): Maybe the country has reached the point where progressives/liberals finally outnumber the conservatives/libertarians. I honestly don’t know if elections will continue to be cyclic or if the conservatives are, for the most part, shut out. I agree with Glenn on 2 points- I WOULD NOT give my personal information to the White House, and I don’t see any states seceding peacefully or a peaceful outcome in that scenario. 

  • G22

    Glenn, I understand your point of view but “We The People” are frustrated and want to be heard. 

  • Kittyhane

    Read th 

    Bible………….GOD ‘does’ win in the end. Come Lord Jesus.

  • Kittyhane

    It’s not necessarily the ‘party’, vote THE PERSON and their values.

  • Kittyhane

    Hemorrhoid you are bleeding. Get a bama patch maybe it will help.

  • Kittyhane

    The illegals are the problem. I am not against immigration but bama flooded us with them to get votes. I get angry when they go on TV and say they want to be called ‘undocumented’….A rose by another name is still a rose.
    Actually if I get a parking ticket, that says ‘illegal’ parking, I won’t pay it til it says:
    parking in an ‘undocumented’ space.

  • Anonymous

    Take all liberals, both dems & repubs and send to New York. I would love a lib free California; Without them, it will be paradise. In NY, they will be happy and isolated…how great would that be?

  • Anonymous

    Who in Washington will hear you? No one! We better be prepared for 2016.

  • Kittyhane
  • Anonymous

    I started the petition for wi,you have to have 150 signatures for it to appear on the website.I believe in my constitution.and i love my country. you stated the feds are no longer following the constitution. that is correct.they are taking away liberty an replacing it with things like agenda21 project garden plot.you already know what the outcome will be.

  • Anonymous

    You don’t get it, do you? This is bigger than those here. Obama was slated to win and what that means is, our votes were nil and void; They did not count. There is a World Order in the making and our only hope is Faith. Belief in God. Turn away from Him and they will succeed in world dominance. He gave us those freedoms, He will allow them to be taken away!

  • Anonymous

    Why can’t people just work together

  • Anonymous

    OBAMA – KING OF THE WORLD SLAVE PEASANTS.

  • Anonymous

    Here’s my way of thinking about the dilemma:
    The federal government isn’t part of the United States anymore.

  • Anonymous

    LOL….Oh Kitty, you have a way with words… Kudos! There’s a s’thd born every second.

  • Anonymous

    Farooq…..Even if 100% of the electorate voted Libertarian, Obama would still have won…you know that!

  • http://www.facebook.com/bill.hash.75 Bill Hash

    gee Pal what prophecy ? You need to quote sources

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000186103377 Stacy Kristine Quick

     well id love to say this was strictly an american problem; the bible refutes that as well… the problem is in the heart!

  • Anonymous

    Mary Ellen, that is the only way to think when living in CA. A beautiful state caught in the liberal mindset. Let’s start by ridding ourselves of:
    Nancy
    Barbara
    Henry
    Diane
    Janice
    Maxine
    Moonbeam
    All in that order. Have I missed anyone? Oh yes, I forgot the 9th circuit. Feel free to add others.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bill.hash.75 Bill Hash

    regardng thaprophecy  third of a thirdf a third
    who is your source Pal ? Please don’t say the Bible. The Bible nevr even faintly references America

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000186103377 Stacy Kristine Quick

     people were upset cos they said obama would never help israel. as of now its like even republicans are saying “gee sorry israel we cant help you now we’re too busy fighting eachother!”
    i dont see much concern for israel at this point, yet that was part of the original argument.
    but its also said every nation turns its back on israel… noted!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000186103377 Stacy Kristine Quick

     cos at that point there is no america… hows that for bitter irony?

  • Anonymous

    Agreed, this problem exists the world over – a matter of the heart – I’m an American, therefore, my major concern obviously is – America. One third of the bible is prophetic…90% of it, pertains to our day.

  • http://twitter.com/wabbsters Wabbsters

    Everyone should be putting their money where their mouth is. Barry said that this is what they have been working towards for a hundred years. Bob Salter said that we need to stop talking before it is to late in the early 70′s. Each day confines us more and dooms Freedom for a 1000 years of darkness. You do your research and show everyone that we can “vote” these guys out. With thousands of laws made over the last hundred years how can you honestly believe you have any freedom that has not been “bestowed” upon you by our government.
    To say that we need to use the “process” is cowardly.
    I am glad that Barry soetoro was elected, even if he isn’t a citizen of the US. The sooner tshtf the better.
    Here’s to teotwawki
    Manny Espinoza
    Utah

  • Anonymous

    Why do you say that most americans do not want to be a contributing meber of society.

  • Anonymous

    Who is Bama

  • Anonymous

    Why can’t you try and work with them?

  • Anonymous

    Can you explain how you came to that conclusion

  • http://twitter.com/wabbsters Wabbsters

    do you suppose that the remaining populace will end up in one of the “ghost” cities in China?

  • Anonymous

    Why should we help isreal

  • Anonymous

    What i syour reason for getting rid of them?

  • Anonymous

    The bible was written primarily, for this day and age we now live. From one side to the other…there are prophecy pertaining to our people and what lie ahead in the immediate future.

    God knows our people and when addressing us, he uses our correct name…you simply have to know what that name is and why. Then its relatively easy to read and understand scripture. Its like knowing where you are, when using a road map. Without knowing your location…the map is worthless.

    Got it Pal…

  • Anonymous

    explain why would you make that statment

  • Anonymous

    It fails every time. At some point one must realize it’s never going to happen. It really does take two, coming into the middle and working things out. You give it a try and get back to me; Let me know how it works out for you. Perhaps there is something I haven’t tried. I have friends that are liberal. Our topics of conversation consists of Dancing with the Stars and American Idol. My interests don’t matter; This has been on going…like forever, so I know what I speak of.

  • Anonymous

    truth be told…those remaining will be scattered the world over…who knows, maybe even in China

  • Anonymous

    Research…..let’s leave it at that.

  • Anonymous

    Their happiness?

  • Anonymous

    The problem is not just with leberal. Conservatives must be willing to come to the middle as well. I fell that the problem with this country is the two party system. 

  • Anonymous

    I would like to see where you get the facts behind that statment

  • Anonymous

    They seem to be happy where they are.

  • Anonymous

    Where in the bible does it say that  America will fall. A bloody civil-war is just around the corner. One third of our people will be killed in its wake. Another one third will be killed by enemy attack, the remaining third will be forced away as slaves, where a full 90% will die in captivity.

  • Anonymous

    Where did you get that the bible was writtenfor this day and age we now live?

  • Anonymous

    Glenn, I have signed the petition because

    I don’t need them!
    I don’t need anyone else.
    There are plenty of people that I would like to
    have around, including you, but I am an
    INdependent conservative (more libertarian
    than anything else).  I voted for Gary Johnson,
    KNOWING that you and others would rail
    against me for it, but Romney is a tinkerer
    around the edges.  The only way to pay off
    debt is to spend less than you take in,
    something that would never happen under
    a Republican presidency anymore than
    it would under a Demoncratic (sic) one.

    God bless,
    Prof. Jim Brenner (aka Quentin Daniels – John Galt’s assistant)
    Florida Tech Chemical & Biomedical Engineering
    321-749-3437

  • Lynn

     You appear to not know history, sir, but nice try.

  • Anonymous

    so only people who have the same belief that you do should stay. I though i constitution where base on free right. Loike the right to think for yourself and have you own beliefs

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7HQOOAHBPAGB5EBRY52FCSHSGU ThomasC

    My ancestors tried that in 1861! It didn’t work then either.

  • Lynn

     But Laura, if the progressive had their own country, their own government, who would be around to pay for it?

  • Carl Slaubaugh

    I believe that Texas has the legal right under the constitution to become a separate nation, that being said, We are NOT the problem, and we cannot be the solution if we are fighting the ignorant liberals that voted for Obama and his socialist/ communist policies. I refuse to be handcuffed by this federal system that refuses to listen to the desires of the people that they are supposed to serve. Do I want a communist country, NO!! and I will fight for the freedoms that I hold dear, and those that my forefathers gave us through the Constitution. I’m talking about the Constitution FOR the united States of American, not the Constitution OF the united states of America.. that one needs to die. but we need our Republic back if we ever hope of regaining our rights and freedoms. The corporations in Washington DC are nothing but lying, deceiving, and stealing hypocrites who deserve nothing less than the noose! They have lied to the American people, Cheated their way into power, Stolen from the American people, Make laws that don’t apply to them, and corrupted an otherwise great country, and that is called Treason! That is the way I see it.

  • Anonymous

    Which Obama policies are socialist/communist

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RTKZIWKW64LCWR52UQYFF34SBM Holly

    i honesty believe the election was rigged to get obama back in. the media and the leftists won the election for him.  if you counted every vote and said the heck with the electorial vote you would see a different pres. today

  • Carl Slaubaugh

    um..lets see.. Obama Care, that takes control over 1/6th of the United States Economy, instead of allowing the private sector to work out ways to improve upon (our already better than any other country’s) medical system. “Cash for Clunkers” that used our tax money to pay for GREEN cars that nobody wanted.. Keeping the Car manufacturers out of declaring bankruptcy like every other business has to.. and then not allowing GM to buy back their shares from the Government.. Those are just a few of the socialist policies..that are unconstitutional. Now, I know you’ll probably say, that I wanted the car companies to go bankrupt and loose millions of jobs because I don’t care, that isn’t true.. The airlines go bankrupt all the time, and they don’t loose millions of jobs.. and the government doesn’t buy them out! and give the shares to the greedy Labor unions! These kinds of things, infuriate people like myself that work hard, and then he (Obama) has the gumption to say that I deserve higher taxes?? give me a break.. he makes more money than anyone.. is he going to pay more.. I doubt it.

  • Anonymous

    wrong Romney also lost the pop. vote. Add by that same thinking Bush should not have been President he lost the pop. vote to Gore

  • Ilene

    I live in Massachusetts and I think the moonbats are mentally challenged.

  • Carl Slaubaugh

    oh..that doesn’t include forcing religious establishments to buy contraceptives for women, when it’s against their religion. So the war on Religion, the war on Weapons, and the war on the Military!!! Now what does your liberal weirdness have to say.. oh spare me I don’t want to hear your blubbering stupidity! Obama is your god, and can do nothing wrong speech!

  • Rita Goshorn

    that page is for posting comments and petitions isn’t it?  we know we’re not likely to actually secede, but we have to be heard.  the president is not a listener.  we love out country, our constitution, our freedom, our liberty, our way of life.   this president has had failed his hope and change program, failed in leading us in the american way, derided our heritage, divided our people, ruined us finanically, et al.  so, now they are saying they’ll deport us for signing a petition when we’re only responding as good citizens.  how else can we say we’re tired of lies, deceit, cronyism, etc.

  • Anonymous

    You do understand that Obamacare is a conservitive idea written by republicans back in 1994. Newt Gingrich was one of it’s biggest sellers and it is not socilist it makes you buy insurance not give you insurance.  One where in the constitute does it say that the goverment can’t help failing compnies for the betterment of the contry, this is not the first time that this has happen. And why didn’t you call Bust a communist when he gave money to the Banks on wall street. Explain to me how giving a discount on a car is socialist. The airline have lost a lot of jobs. And they are underpaying paying there employee and have tookken away the pentions for there employees. Unions are the reason we have a Middle Class because they fight for workers rights. if you listen to him he always includes him as one of the people that should have a hire tax rate.

  • Carl Slaubaugh

    What is your definition of working together “the_independent _truth? If it’s us hard working, dedicated, Loyal, peaceful, Constitution abiding Americans paying for the dependent, lazy, un-loyal, ungodly, unconstitutional abiding, and wanting handout progressive Americans.. then NO! Why should we pay for the laziness  and the handout society that has taken over our country? Why? give me one good reason, I’m not talking about people who are down on their luck, and need a hand up. That is what charities, and churches, and establishments such as red cross, and salvation Army are for.. not the Government. So again please answer that question.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t agree with his stance on contraceptives. What we spend on Military is crazy that needs to cut we spend more on military thans the closet 10 countrys combined. It eats up the biggest protion of our economy anybody who really wants to fix the economy needs to start there. why the personal attacks we are just having a conversation. Conservatives always say that librals are tearing the country apart. But you the on that start attacking me. i haven’t wrote anything that attcks you. why can we just disagree with each other respectfully. I didn’t come on here to call you names.

  • Carl Slaubaugh

    exactly Lynn, and that is the very reason that these people need to be plugged out like the bad apple, they grow and consume the whole batch. They expect the rest of us to “pay our fair share” just how much is our “fair share”? well according to some, it’s up to 75% of our profits.. why have a business if your expected to pay 75% of your profits in taxes to a Government that abuses the money they get now? Not only that, but what is there to gain by a business where you can only keep 25% of your profit? I don’t know about you, but that sounds like a communist/socialist manifesto to me!

  • Anonymous

    Would the secessionist states allow the federalist states to rejoin after they bankrupt themselves?

  • Anonymous

    How has the president  failed in leading us in the american way, derided our heritage, divided our people, ruined us finanically, et al?

  • Carl Slaubaugh

    ok.. I apologyze for the insults.. I am so used to getting tore up by progressives that I jumped the gun.. I’m sorry, and your right, lets have a good conversation.. So I see we agree on the contraceptive issue, well Obama is still pushing that on Religious establishments. As for the Military, I was in the Navy for 14 years, and I know a little about the military, I agree that we shouldn’t be the world police, we should close down all bases overseas, and bring our military back home. I fail to see the reason for us being in Afghanistan any longer, because that is nothing more than a money hole. However, despite the fact that we had found no weapons in Iraq, we still freed the Iraqi people from a vicious dictator, and set them on a road to recovery and prosperity. Other than having an ambassador in each country, we should have our military home!

  • Anonymous

    In every book, there is prophecy pertaining to our age. Much of what was written by the prophets, in fact, most of what was written, was directed to the House of Israel, problem is, Israel was in captivity. God knew that his people would someday, become major nations (in this end time) these writings therefore, are for our people, for we are descended from ancient Israel. God will not leave his people ignorant, that part (the ignorance) we choose for ourselves.

  • Carl Slaubaugh

    Yes, I understand that Obama care, came from a conservative idea, however, you fail to mention that the conservative party threw it out, because of the exact reasons I mentioned before. Remember when the republicans and democrats along with Obama were discussing Obama Care, the republicans wanted to allow people the right to buy insurance across state lines, Obama denied that, also the republicans wanted to give more power to the doctors instead of the government Obama denied that too. I am not saying the whole idea of Obama care is wrong.. the main things that I find wrong, 1 the federal government mandating who should have insurance. 2 the federal government mandating who gets operations and who doesn’t, 3 Obama care forces businesses to insure their employees and most businesses cannot maintain at that standard. Therefore a lot of businesses will go out of business because of Obama care, and now is not a good time for businesses to be closing their doors, however, they have to do what is best for their business. For example, I was about to open up my business and hire around 75 people, but because of Obama care, I am reluctant to begin my business at all. 

  • Anonymous

    The principles that are put forth by liberals and progressives are not new. Nearly every country in the world employs them. The only thing that prevents the citizens of those countries from crying out against the inane policies they have suffered is fear. Fear of losing their belongings and entitlements, or fear of personal harm.

    Here in the USA, there is a massive amount of the population that has no fear of these things. So when these policies are instituted, they obviously question it.

    Furthermore, we are the product of a 200 year old experiment, the most sucessfull experiment in history. An experiment based on individual freedom, responsibility, and limited government.

    So, when Americans say they are going to secede from the USA, my only response is “what the hell did you think was going to happen?”. These policies dont work, we know they dont work and they never have through the history of the world. And whats more, we know here in the USA, thanks to our beautiful American experiment,  that the EXACT OPPOSITE of progressivism/liberlism/socialism, does work!

    Does the other half of the country think people will just give up 200 years of pride and prosperity without a fight?

    Lets just pray that this secessionist movement is adressed peacefully. Because anger sparks violence, violence magnetizes, and then people are forced to take sides.

  • Anonymous

    We Americans do not know our heritage. We have a long history with God, the greater majority of us do not have a clue of what that history consists of, or why. The bible is a book about the nation of Israel. We are one of those ancient tribes (Manasseh) stemming from the tribe of Joseph, who’s father of course, was Jacob (who’s name was changed to Israel) Before Jacob died, he blessed Josephs two sons – naming his name (Israel) on them – thus, they are the modern day descendants of ancient Israel. Therefore, when scripture indicates an “end-time” reference – it is talking directly to the people of the United States – Britain – and the Jewish nation, these three nations make up end-time Israel. So when there is a prophecy about – Jacob – Israel – Joseph – Manasseh – Ephraim – Judea – Jerusalem and its for the end days -or- time of the end -or- the last hour etc, then know that it is addressed to our peoples – primarily the white English speaking people o the earth.

    Once you prove this to yourself, then the bible comes alive and has meaning and understanding never before attainable. Jesus told his followers that in these last days, understanding of all knowledge would be restored. He kept his promise – the bible therefore, was written for our day, because before our time it had not been revealed.

  • Anonymous

    Well we do have to undersatnd that christianty is not the only religion in america. Country of the right to free religion and i think alot cristian forget that because they seem to judge you if your not christian.

  • Carl Slaubaugh

    Are they doing their jobs? are they representing the PEOPLE or are they just there to fill up space and usurp power over the people? I believe the second reason.. especially Nancy..

  • Carl Slaubaugh

    unfortunately I have to agree with 2liberate, and that is why Obama is not my president, he doesn’t respect the fact that he is there to Lead, to work FOR the American people, instead of providing parties for him and his Hollywood friends, and extravagant vacations for his ugly wife, and his golf habits, the people elected him for a job..and as far as I see it, he has yet to do anything for the American people, or the Economy, or the Joblessness we have growing every day! I don’t know about you, but that shows incompetence at the very least! and then someone.. reelected him?? why? he should have been fired! at least that is what happens in any job I ever saw, if your incompetent or cannot do the work, you get fired!

  • Anonymous

    The reason to sign these petitions is show what our concerns are and at what ever the cost avoid the socialist policies now in effect and those that are coming. All that sign are walking the walk unlike Mr. Beck who chooses just to talk. It is not a declaration of war,but one of peaceful intentions…if they will let us. Don’t be so naive to believe that they don’t know who the Conservatives,Republicans and Libertarians are and where they live. If you have a driver license or registered to vote they know who and where you are. So don’t buy into Mr.Becks scare tactics. If they come for any of us then that would prove the point…wouldn’t it? So sign up for America,don’t let your courage run down your leg.

  • Steve Purcell

    Do us all a favor – DON’T VOTE!

  • Carl Slaubaugh

    btdtdan, Awesome, exactly I agree! unfortunately, with the kind of people we have in Washington DC, and the fact that Obama feels like he doesn’t have to listen to anyone, and can get buy with doing anything he wants, we probably won’t even be heard!

  • Anonymous

     That’s not going to happen, this country is lost.

  • Anonymous

    Then I suppose we take to the next level. Of course we will need many more than the 80k in Texas I saw signed up this morning. DC needs to understand we are serious and not right wing nut jobs. After enjoying my country for the past 76 years I am real reluctant to turn it over to the Chicago thugs. Besides all of the above I took an oath back in 1954 to protect an defend the constitution.
    d

  • Anonymous

    I look at events, I listen to statements and I conclude. Simple.

  • Anonymous

    Are you speaking from experience? Seems to me, It takes a lot to make them happy.

  • Anonymous

    Amen Carl. It’s so easy to realize, even a caveman can understand! Community organizing I guess to some, Is a job.

  • Anonymous

    You may be correct…it is what is in place at the moment. Let’s change that.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/G7AMZEOV6DEMTKDOH3PEUZ7NRU Newuser

    Exactly! Why can’t people just WORK together? Why do only half of the population have to work so hard? Why can’t the other half work too?
    Why would Obama gut out the part in the law that requires welfare recipients to work if they want to stay on welfare? So now these people on welfare don’t even have to work or make an effort to find a job. They can just sit at home and wait for the check from the gov. WORKING togeher? It’s not going to happen.

    Working together? How come the left say that only to us but not to themselves? Did Harry Reid say that he would work with Romeny if he were to be elected? Hell no! When was the last time the left try to work together with the right? Does Obama want to work with republicans? He made it very clear the last 4 years.

  • Anonymous

    I feel that goverment should make you get Insurance because people are going to get health weather they have insurance or not and if they don’t than we have to pay for it that is why insurance rates are so hight. This should make insurance rates go down, but we also have to remeber that the insurance compinies care more about there profits and doctors are some of there biggest supports. and many doctors get extra money from the insurance companies to whats best for them and not aptien and thats why have no problem with taking the power out of the doctors handsi worked in a hospital for many yeas. And if you knew the relationship between doctores and insurance you would be shocked.

  • Anonymous

    I would first and formost like to see that the President of the U.S.A. is forced to honor the Consitiution. I would say he has not honored it more than anyone who ever held office of any kind in the united states.

  • Anonymous

    examples

  • Steve Purcell

    Do us all a favor – DON’T VOTE!

    the_independent_truth, what are you doing here?

    I have seen your other posts. If you want an education, to quote Hillary Clinton speeking in her slow overly articulate manner much like a person yelling at a deaf person, “Let me be perfectly clear” – Carl Slaubaugh may have fallen for your bullshit question and attempted to get through to you, which is an exercise of futility, but I don’t buy your fained stupidity.
    Go brain-suck somewhere else. Or, I know, educate yourself. No, that’s work and I don’t think the Obama administration has come up with an entitlement that will do that for you yet…

  • Chris G

     MrBuzzBoy,  This is atruly  great paragraph you wrote!  Perfectly stated.  Do you mind if I copy it and post it on other forums?  If it’s ok, then do you want me to add your screen name or another reference?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/G7AMZEOV6DEMTKDOH3PEUZ7NRU Newuser

     Why can’t you try and work with us then?
    It goes both ways you know. You guys really don’t want us to work with you anyway. You just want us to work FOR you! It’s either your way or no way. Look what Obama is doing or has done the last 4 years? When did he ever listen to the other side?

  • Anonymous

    Why so much hate what have i done to you. I came to discuss issue with mature people. The great thing about america is that we all have the right to our own opinions and the right to vote as we please. It’s in the constitution. sorry do get entitlement not retired and i have my own company.

  • Anonymous

    when did the other side listen to him like you say it goes both ways

  • Anonymous

    Very good post–I too am sick of people calling themselves African American, you are an American or you are not, my ancestors came from Poland, never heard them or anyone call themselves polish american, time to stop all of that bull.

  • Anonymous

    Voter fraud, bud—more ballots than voter registrations, 200,000 somalias bused to the voting polls in Ohio, could they speak english and were they citizens, there are many examples of voter fraud, that is why Obama wasn’t very concerned about being re-elected, it was in the bag for him.

  • Anonymous

    He is a commie.

  • Anonymous

    This Is the Real Political Map of America—We Are Not That Divided

    Fascinating look at red and blue states and it shows, we aren’t that divided.

    http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2012/

  • Anonymous

    Who says that because you voted for obama you vote not to work. I have my own company and i voted for Obama. Wasn’t Mitch McConell(R) Who said that his goal was to make sure that Obama was a one term President. And he said that the day after Obama beat McCain. So why not point and republicans and ask why they don’t work with Obama.

  • Anonymous

    Proof?

  • Anonymous

    Proof? It’s not true this is something fox news and the right are trying to makeup.

  • windtalker700

    Two words folks, constitutional convention ! As a matter of law secession is treason. If you want to be taken seriously you have to exhaust all legal options.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_P4IPMKSPZAEXEC6JXCWLX2OXIE Joe

    The secession petitions I believe are signed by folks that are just fed up, disheartened with the direction that our great country is going.  I don’t really think a majority of the signers really want to secede from the Republic, it is our way of showing our frustration about the inability of our elected officials to come to some sort of a consensus on how to right the floundering ship.  It doesn’t take political ideologues on both sides of the aisle, it takes willing people to compromise to come up with the needed solutions.  I listen and watch these so called leaders, they remind of little children fighting over toys, me, me, me.  Time for them to grow up and act like adults, stop being narcissistic.  Do your job, get to work, you are there at our pleasure, to serve us, not the other way round.

  • Anonymous

    In Obamas book he speaks about his great admiration for his mentor Davis, who was a communist and on the watch list of the FB I, he was friends with Bill Ayre, a commie, Obama has the commie creed of taking from one group and giving to another, he wants the gov. to take over our lives, that is the communist manifasto.  It has been a sad day in hexx that he was re-elected by people that are looking for handouts—he has promised the students that their tutuions will be free, he has promised the young women that all of their healthcare will be paid for, the blacks want their Iphones and whatever else they can get, that is one hexx of a recipe for a free and healty society. 

  • Anonymous

    exactly

  • Anonymous

    He nerever promised students that education will be free. Never promised anybody that there healthcare will be payed for.As a Black I own my own buissness and i don’t like that racial comment.  And if you want to talk about taking from one aand giving to another what about republican give oil companies 5 bill. dollars a year of tax payer money even thoughthey are making record breaking profits. When does he state that the goverment want to take our lives.

  • Anonymous

    The problem is people are voting for the wrong ones, Obama is not a leader he has had no prior experience to warrant that he should become president yet they elect him over a man that has mountains of experience.  The people have become lazy and wanting.

  • Anonymous

    What experience did Mitt Romey has to become president. Obama has 4 years of experience.

  • Anonymous

     I vote for LIBERTY. The PERSON can decide what their VALUES are. Republicans are liars just like the democrats. Wake up.

  • Anonymous

    We have to vote for liberty. Republicans are no better than democrats. They are the same.

    Gary Johnson should have been your choice.

  • Anonymous

    It would be nice to have a Independent in the White House

  • Anonymous

    Because he wants to “fundamentally transform” America.

    I don’t want to.

    Because he is pushing us over a financial cliff with his leftist policies – high taxes, Obamacare, regulations, etc.

    Why should I help him destroy this country?

  • Anonymous

    To what end?

  • Anonymous

    Obama promised students that he would forgive the interest on their student loans.  If you think I made a racist comment, I really don’t care, it is what it is.  I saw this black woman on t.v. who said to the blacks “vote for Obama he will give you an IPhone”, if you don’t like it, change their thinking.  Oil companies are a famous target of Obamas, and as usual he lies, the oil companies pay in taxes and other restrictions over 50% in taxes, Coca cola makes more money than oil companies.  Too many gov. restrictions in our lives, Obama has 60 news rules and regulations everyday.

  • Anonymous

    Ron Paul just gave his final speech to congress. Watch it. You are “wasting” your vote by choosing the GOP. 

  • Anonymous

    The middle of what?  I’m for limited government and individual liberty.  PERIOD.  What’s the middle?

    The more power and money you give the gov’t the bigger it grows.  You either keep it limited or you will ultimately have tyranny – soft or hard.

    In fact, classical liberalism is about as middle as you can get – it involves having a central gov’t to do those things that individual states cannot do (print money, be represented on the international stage, defense), but also states that take care of the more day to day things in the lives of citizens like police, fire, schools.

    Our Constitution was a great compromise between the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists.

    Are you saying now that I have to compromise with Statists?

    I don’t think so.

  • Anonymous

    The word “has” should be “have” in case you are interested.  You are not interested in learning anything you are just a provacateur.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.flynt.16 Jeff Flynt

     Ron Paul is a loon not sure how people can take him seriously. Every Arab nation in the world would get nuclear weapons under his watch. You cannot be a isolationist anymore in 2012 when there are planes, missiles, cyber attacks etc.

  • Anonymous

    He attacks those that build businesses – large or small. He attacks the rich.  He neither believes in nor understands the meaning of American Exceptionalism.  He has apologized for America all over the world.

    He has divided us:  rich v. poor; black v. white; men v. women.

    He has helped to ruin us financially by putting us into $6 trillion more debt than when he came into office and we now have $1 trillion deficits.

    Really, though, the fact that you have to even ask, shows that you either haven’t been paying attention or you are an Obamabot who thinks he can do no wrong (unless he isn’t Left enough for you).

  • Anonymous

     How does free trade make you an isolationist?  LOL

    Learn something bro.  Think for yourself.

  • Anonymous

    He was installed, NOT elected. Obama won by massive voter fraud.There were over 70,000 reports of voting problems on election day.It was an organized crime that crossed state line and more proof will surface daily.busloads of people from Illinois crossing to Wisconsin to vote in person. George Soros, the world’s only Nazi Jew owns the company that calibrates the voting machines. If only one in ten votes were changed in a handful of states is all he needed to “calibrate. and there is so much more!

  • Anonymous

     Keep on spending Mr. Progressive war monger.

  • Anonymous

     The worlds only nazi jew?  HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!

  • Anonymous

    Many insurance companies are nonprofit – SCAN, Blue Shield are 2 examples.

    Insurance is expensive because (1) you can’t buy insurance across state lines, so that stifles competition. Supply is low, prices are high and (2) the gov’t keeps telling the insurance companies what they have to cover.  The more they have to cover, the more expensive the plans are.

    Why should health insurance cover every little thing.  Insurance – in general – is for CATASTROPHIC events that are too expensive to pay for on your own.  Should car insurance pay for oil changes?

    Well that’s what health insurance does – it pays for the little stuff as well as the big stuff.

    And it is third party payer, which means none of us – the actual consumer – know what the price of anything is.  Therefore, we can’t shop around and therefore there is no real competition.

    Free market solutions would fix the problem, along with divorcing health insurance from employment which would also help out the pre-existing condition problem and lack of insurance between jobs.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2DAQQPFGGFEPWDM3DRJ2OFJAMY Jake

    i think it was all a sham, and we have ben misled . i dont think ower votes was even counted ,people was threatend  to pass obamas health care  and i think thesame went ito the election,  

  • Anonymous

    There was a big meeting about healthcare before Obamacare was passed. You know what Obama said to McCain – I won, you didn’t.

    He told Republicans to get in the back and basically shut up.

    Obama doesn’t know how to work with other people.  He only knows how to dictate.

  • Anonymous

    And what would we do at the convention?  Negotiate with the statists?  To what end?

  • Anonymous

    Secession is symbolic. No one will leave the union. No one has the balls to do it.

    If you don’t like the leadership, VOTE THEM OUT.

  • Anonymous

    The republicans have nothing to do with this? So do you want the Wall street bank to do what ever they want and destroy the econonmy like they did during Bust and his policy of not regulating banks. the same thing happend before when there where no regulation its call the great depression. With out Obamacare you can go a get free health care that  which those with Healthcare has to pay for that’s socialism. Obamacare makes you buy healthcare so that other people don’t have to pay for your healthcare. Oh an Obamacare was created in 1994 by Republicans

  • Anonymous

    We tried to vote them out, it is becoming harder and harder, there is too much voter fraud, people that want something vote for whom they believe will give it to them.  I believe more and more that we should have a written quiz for voters, too many voting that don’t know anything about gov. and what is going on, they are hurting the rest of us that want a gov. that is limited and a strong America..

  • Anonymous

    As a person who worked in a Hospital for years. if you take health insurance from employment how would those people get insurance. The goverment had to step in becasue the insurance companines and doctors where take advantage and line there pockest while people dies trust me you din’t have to go a deal with people die ing becasue of what insurance companies did. trust me i had to go through those case and Obamacare is not perfect but it does help.  Supplys are not low that’s something insurance company tell you so they can keeps rates high. Health care should include anythime you go to the Hospital.

  • Anonymous

    You don’t know what you are talking about:  Carter, then Clinton expanded on CRA (committee Reinvestment agency) which made banks give money to people to buy houses that they couldn’t afford and if the banks didn’t want to give the money, the gov. put the muscle on them, then it all blew up and the housing industry exploded.  Wall Street banks paid  back the loans, some banks didn’t want the money but the gov. made them take it.  Too much regulations choke everything, that is what is happening now.   In 1994, the Clintons were in the WH, Hillary tried to shove healthcare down our throats but it didn’t fly, last I saw Hillary is a dem.  Obama is against buying health ins. over state lines which would bring down the costs, also, if Obamacare is so great why are the Unions exempt from Obamacare and also the congress, many have been given the option to opt out, of course those are Obamas friends.

  • Anonymous

     Leave it to some damn know it all, holy than thou, liberal; to rewrite history to suit their agenda. If it’s something they don’t like, they change it or ignore it; which ever suits their agenda the best.

  • Anonymous

    He does not attack them. It has nothing to do with American Exceptionalism. He needs to we have killed thousand of incent men, women and children in the middles east for decades. What makes the life of an american more importtant that some from the Middle east we are all human. He has not divide the country. It was the republican that started this rich vs poor, the repubilcan are the ones that are telling you the people who voted for Obama just want stuff and there the ones who keep talking about half the country this and half the country that. the President only say united staes not 50% of it. Last time i checked Bush was in office during the collapse and Obama actuallt stoped the country from losing jobs and started creating jobs.

  • Anonymous

    Never said that the GOP has not contributed to our problems.  But those problems are still STATIST and therefore LEFTIST in nature – bigger gov’t, tons of meaningless regulations.  And not regulating the banks – that law was gotten rid of BEFORE Bush and Clinton signed off on it.  And the CRA which brought down our financial system, was brought to you by Carter and then pushed even more by Clinton and again by Bush.  Again, a BIG GOVERNMENT is the problem, regardless of party.  The CRA is a form of socialism – the only people that should get home loans are those that properly qualify for them.  Just having a pulse is not a qualification.  Nor is one’s race.

    No the ER use by those without insurance is not the only thing that makes insurance expensive.  You’re looking for perfect.  I’m looking for better.  And better is a free market solution, not more gov’t.

    And I don’t care whose idea the mandate was – it’s wrong, unconstitutional (despite the SCOTUS decision; remember, they also decided Dred Scott and Plessy so they can actually be, you know, WRONG).

    I’m not a Republican.  I’m an Independent Constitutional Conservatarian – a classical liberal.  And I’m without a party because no party in this country represents me or classical liberalism.

  • Anonymous

    Gov’t did not have to “step in”.  The gov’t stepped in years ago.

    And employers started paying for health insurance because of FDRs wage controls – it was a way for employers to intice people to come work for them because they were unable to pay them more in wages and salaries.

    Now a “benefit” has suddenly become a right and gov’t got involved when it shouldn’t have.

    Health insurance supplies are low because I can only buy whatever they sell in MY state and only MY state.  If there’s a better deal in South Carolina, I can’t get it.

    And the gov’t made insurance higher and higher because of it’s intrusion.

    You have done nothing to refute what I have said.  Only vague stories of “bad insurance companies”.

    At least we get to sue them or buy someone else’s product.  Who can sue the gov’t when they won’t cover your grandmother’s knee replacement surgery, or something more life saving?  Death panels anyone?  There is always some form of rationing, even in a free market, but at least in a free market it’s VOLUNTARY.  When the gov’t does it, it’s mandatory and it never ends well.

  • Anonymous

    I agreei feel both parties and the finger pionting between the two problem is the real issue with the country. You do understand that the reason that they where able to give out morgages like they did was because they deregulated the housing market. in the 90′s  and that is when they started to give morgages to anybody. You can’t tell buissness to do what they want everyone need rules I’m don’t why everybody is afreaid to tell coperations that they need to follow rules why is it ok for the rest of us to follow rules but not them. They get the right s of a citzen and rights as a copration. Big Buissness has more rights then any of us. And anytime say a we need to stop them from doing waht evre they want they go out a buy polticianss to tell me and you the regulations hurt the economy. Reguation help small Buisness. Like if companies where allowed to become Monoploies there would be no small buissness

  • Anonymous

    Oh, good grief.  Thousands of innocents in the ME.  Yeah, who?  Where?  When?

    We went after the Taliban for harboring Al Qaeda and liberated women from their grip.

    We had good reason to go after Iraq at that time, although nation building was a stupid idea.  Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of his own people.  My ex husband served over there twice and can tell you stories he heard straight from Iraqis.

    And you, like Obama, have no idea what American Exceptionalism is.

    No, the Left does “rich v. poor” all the time.  Ever hear of Occupy Wall Street?  The 99% and the 1%?

    Yes, most people who voted for Obama want someone else to pay their way.

    Obama has never stood for all Americans.

    Obama stopped nothing.  He said that the stimulus money would keep unemployment under 8%?  Do you even know what the real unemployment numbers are?  Hint, they are not at 7.8%.

    Obama hasn’t saved anything.

    Again, you have not refuted anything I said.

    You are an Obamabot.

  • Anonymous

    All medical supplys are purchase the Johson n Johnson and supplies are not low becuse they have a deal with all hospital they get a discount and they don’t pay lump  sums for the supplies. Trust me i Know again I worked i That industry and is something i had to fight with insurance companies and health care providers. No what raise insurance is two thing doctors commiting insurance fraud and people with no insurnace. The insurance compines take the mean of what a hospital cost for the year of service and the tend to raise and job insurance by that. What death Panels. you facts are not facts the Talking points there not backed up by the number.

  • BentGhazi

    That only works if the vote is not corrupted by evil people.

  • BentGhazi

    Thank you for that timely and insightful information, Nostradumbass.

  • Anonymous

    Crikey, will you learn to type!

    The CRA – the Community Reinvestment Act was passed under Carter and was used over decades by “community organizers” to get banks to give loans to people that did not qualify.  The banks were bullied into it under threat of lawsuits and accusations of racism.

    Then Clinton did get rid of regulations that would have protected us against those toxic assets.

    Regulations hurt small businesses because they are unable to absorb the costs like Big Businesses do.  I am not pro-business or pro-big business. Big Businesses often agree to or push certain regulations in order to crowd out competition.

    That is why I believe in LIMITED GOVERNMENT.  A limited government is a nation of laws, not of men.  A limited government does not agree to help out certain segments of the population to the detriment of others.

    I am pro free market.  Perhaps you should learn the difference.

    Educate yourself.  Include a typing class.

  • BentGhazi

    You have got to be kidding me. When did he ever actually do the job of being President? 

    Ordering people to their deaths and not allowing for their rescue under fire is not being President.

  • BentGhazi

    Actually, this person you are referring to is only a troll.

  • SoThere

    “Nostradumbass.” I love it. Ha ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

    LMAO

  • Anonymous

    Do me a favor.  Learn to type, then post.

    I didn’t say Johnson and Johnson supplies are low.  Perhaps you need a reading comprehension class as well?  I said supplies of HEALTH INSURANCE because one cannot buy health insurance across state lines.  Talk about not ensuring the free flow of commerce per the Commerce Clause of the Constitution.

    Insurance is not a charity.  It is made to cover catastrophic losses and cover catastrophic events.  If we all just bought high deductible insurance and paid out of pocket for the simple things like check ups, then the insurance would be lower and we could negotiate with doctors when we had to pay cash.

    Death Panels – the rationing board.  Do some research.  Educate yourself.

  • Anonymous

    .What aboput the tea party. If you think that after (/11 was the first time we where in those country you need to do your research. Go and research what America has done to the middle east for decades. because you voted for Obama you want stuff and you say that with out knowing evan 1% of Obama voters. it acully is at 7.8%.there are something that i disagree with him about but he is unfairly attacked by the right.

  • Anonymous

    You do understand the Health Insurance is not a material thing so you can’t have low supplys of something that is not actual a material thing.  That why i thought you ment hspital supplys.noboby said it was charity you pay for it so they should cover you. Which where prove not to be real and another figment of the right imagnation that why you will not alot of republican to even talk about death panels that fox news and sarah palin rating hogs.

  • Anonymous

    What are you talking about when you have facts you may speak to me again.

  • BentGhazi

    Compromise with the left has conditions; first, the right must do everything the left wants. Second, the right must do everything the left wants. Third, the right must do everything the left wants.

    See the pattern? There is no working with you, or agreeing to your way, only capitulation. Ask the President about that. Ask Harry Reid about that. Ask Nancy Pelosi about that. Ask Joe Biden about that.

    The thing you don’t realize is it is impossible to tax and spend out of the state the national economy is in. Cutting spending is first and foremost, and the only way to fix the economy in the short term. None of you want to stop spending. The right isn’t willing to give the left more money to squander – no matter how much you are given you go through it like sailors on liberty. 

    When you understand you can’t have everything you want, and there has to be a budget for the country to work, (which hasn’t happened for over four years now), then maybe you will begin to realize that the spending has to stop. No more, not now, it’s got to stop. 

    Then and only then will tax increases be discussed.

  • Anonymous

    What about the Tea Party?  We are for limited government, individual liberty and fiscal responsibility.  We are not beholden to the GOP or any other party.  Please state your point.

    I never said we had no relations one way or the other in the ME, but your numbers of how many we killed are based on Leftist lies.  And if innocents were ever killed, it was never intentional.  Islamists place missile batteries in apartments, mosques, hospitals and the like, and then lob their missiles into Israel.  So whose evil now?

    Excuse me, I didn’t vote for Obama and nothing could force me to do it. I’d take a bullet in the head first.

    I know plenty of Obama voters and they are just as idiotic as you are.

    7.8% is NOT the real number because it doesn’t count those who have stopped getting unemployment and who are no longer looking for work.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/real-unemployment-rate-hits-117-spread-between-reported-and-propaganda-data-hits-record

  • BentGhazi

    He also said that elections have consequences. Another good one was the recent voting is the best revenge. This man is evil, and any deal made with him is destined to go the way of the Indian treaties. 

  • Anonymous

    Not being able to buy insurance from a multitude of companies across the US makes “supply” low.  PERIOD.

    And what makes you think the gov’t is going to cover everything?  The Obama Admin has already admitted that rationing is going to happen as their way of keeping costs down.  That’s what the NHS does in Europe.

    You really are just full of DNC talking points.

    Have a nice night.

  • BentGhazi

    Please educate yourself. Reading that last post of yours causes pain.

  • Anonymous

    Bingo.  That “independent” guy is blowing a lot of DNC hot air.  If Obama sacrificed a baby on live TV, he’d still find a way to support him.

  • BentGhazi

    That is for sure.

  • BentGhazi

    What are you talking about – your words are those of a person with dain bramage.

  • Anonymous

    I know how to write but not going to take the time to proof read theas comments you understand what I’m saying you tend to anwser back on what we are talking about. Wrong in the ()’s pual rubens who was the secretarty of treasure pass to huge bill one deregulated banks and one deregulated house. go and lookat when the houseing boom started in the Mid nighties after the deregulation of the banks and houseing. that where we get subprime dirivites which turned out be be illegal and allan Greenspan and the Bush administration was warned about them  and they said the market would regulate them selves evan Allan Greenspan the King of no regulation testified in a Hear on capitol hill that he was wrong and that regulation are need .

  • http://www.facebook.com/adam.weiker Adam Edward Weiker

    If all 50 states secede and remain unified, outside the influence of Washington, D.C., we’d remain the United States of America while cutting out the cancer in our country

  • Anonymous

    ok which words would you being talking about. And let me know why you say that.

  • Anonymous

    No really I don’t like either party i want to get rid of both i look at thing in a independen view. which is not fuzzyed by some right or left color hazying.

  • Anonymous

    That staement makes no since. Yo u might mean the it creates a Monopoly. But not supplys are low. You can only be low in supply when it is an actual material thing. When i go to my typing class. How about you take up a buisness course/ where is that stamnet about rations so that i can read that. I give facts but are your talking come right off of fox news

  • Anonymous

    thanks for the correct just a typo.

  • BentGhazi

    Go back and look at what you wrote. It’s not my job to be your writing coach. I will offer you this – apparently English is not your primary language.

    “ok which words would you being talking about. ”

    You need to work on capitalization, and the verb you were trying to use was the word, “be”, not, “being”. I suppose that is as good an example as I can offer you.
    You need to spend some time with a tutor.

    What difference would it make if I gave you the specifics anyway? You would just ignore it, and keep on saying the same untruths.

  • BentGhazi

    :)

  • Anonymous

    Meaning you don’t know. i love when all poeple can do is put other people down because they have nothing intelligent to say.

  • Anonymous

    I did and it’s all facts now if you have a problem with something i wrote point it out and we can discuss it.

  • BentGhazi

    On that count you would be wrong. We cannot discuss anything meaningful because you have too much of a deficit in the knowledge and language skills department.

  • Anonymous

    Which means you have nothing to talk about. It’s funny how imature you are. You talk about what i’m writing and once i say lets discuss it you just take personal shots at me that is call a defense mechanism. You feel threatened by my intelligence and your scarred that you can’t compete with me so you try to attack me personally. It’s ok that why I have not seen you come up with a original thought yet every comment uyou make is either calling some one a name or agreeing with someone but never your own orignal thought.

  • windtalker700

    Whether we win or loose the end would be the answer and the
    justification for future action.

  • BentGhazi

    First, your facts are wrong. Romney has more meaningful experience than Obama has, and he has organized and run many businesses as well as the Winter Olympic Games held at Salt Lake in 2002. The man has more skill at managing funding and making business decisions than Obama could ever hope for. That’s the facts.

    Obama only has experience as President because ignorant people turned out in record numbers and voted for him. He was never close to being qualified for the job, and has done the worst job as President in history. Most recently, he sent four people into Libya and got them killed. When given the opportunity to rescue them he failed to act. Those are facts, people are dead because of his lack of talent and experience for the job.

    Enough facts for you now?

  • BentGhazi

    Me threatened by your intelligence? Bwah ha ha ha! You are one funny liberal troll. You are in desperate need of a defense mechanism. Try not to continue embarrassing yourself here.

    My scarred what? Like I said, you can’t even communicate effectively and you want me to believe you?

    Here’s some original thought for you –

    Go back to the third rate level of play you came here from – you are not strong enough to play with the adults here.

  • Anonymous

    Obama President for four year.

    Rommey never was president

    What better experience to being the president than actully being the president!!!!!

    So that means that all the people who died in 9/11 that bushes fault, the people who dies in OCK bombing Clintons fault, Waco texas that Bushed sr. fault. if your gonna blame the President for that then all the President in US history have Blood on there hands.

  • Anonymous

    Yea i am because i understand what typo are and understand that if a person makes a typo i usually know what they mean and it’s not important for me to point it out i just go to the subject where talking about. I find that most people on blogs that worry about typo do only because they want to hold on to that a an ace in the hand we they really have nothing to say. So i understand i have typo not wasting the time  my time to proof read.

  • BentGhazi

    Please put a sock in it before you look like an idiot. I don’t want to hurt your feelings, but you really are out of your depth here.

    Your statements are riddled with inconsistencies, you are desperately pulling in all kinds of tangential stuff and most of that shows you have no real understanding of that, much less your original statements.

    Try some ESL courses at your local community – if you look hard enough, you will be able to find some free classes somewhere.

    You need help that you will not be able to get here.

  • Anonymous

    Show me my inconsistencies

  • BentGhazi

    What you are doing is not merely typographical errors. It’s the language usage you employ that makes most of what you write nonsense.

    “I find that most people on blogs that worry about typo do only because they want to hold on to that a an ace in the hand we they really have nothing to say. ”

    Please take that one sentence to an English teacher and have them help you. You need it. You are not communicating – seriously, you should take my advice not as critique but as help.

  • BentGhazi

    All of it. Go to an ESL tutor and learn how to write and compose with proper grammar. It’s not just rules for the sake of rules, it makes the difference between communication and utter gibberish.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GW6ALM3N2YFTOT6TN3GZGAHQG4 Frank Balcer

    The only thing the Traitor in Chief has experience in is LYING &  MISLEADING the people of this country, Him allowing those 4 men in Libya to die is TREASONOUS. They had to rig the computers to get Him re-elected. States that want to leave the union should do so, because the Federal government wants to surrender our rights to the U.N, ( ex, global gun ban)  that there is  TREASON, simple as that

  • Anonymous

    Still no inconsistencies to show me? lol keep comeing with the attacks.

  • Anonymous

    You are correct on this Glenn, what do you think the detention camps are being built for?
    Answer: They are for anyone who they find that are against them.  Just like Joseph Stalin did to anyone who spoke up against him, they were captured and sent to hard labor camps.

  • Anonymous

     in other words those who disagree with you

  • BentGhazi

    No, actually putting people in harms way, lying your way out of responsibility and when the shit hits the fan denying them any kind of help or rescue – that’s evil, Ed. I suppose you disagree with me on that, but you are wrong if you do. Not because I say so, but because it is morally wrong – Obama may as well have shot them all himself, it amounts to the same thing.

    Have you been sleeping for the past month or so???

  • BentGhazi

    You are a hopeless case. There is no point in continuing. I have been as tolerant as I can, and you want to play games. Good night, troll.

  • Anonymous

    Good night, hope you do your research and something to talk about next time you jump on.

  • BentGhazi

    Don’t lick the windows on the bus on the way home, OK?

  • landofaahs

    First of all, native Americans were fighting amongst each other, killing one another and taking over territory centuries before the white man came here. They just lost to a stronger tribe.
    Second, I really doubt any Native Americans would like to go back to what they had before the white man arrived. You can think of their life as romantic but if you had to live that life you would probably find it pretty well sucked.
    Thirdly perhaps our Founders did want to limit democracy in favor of a Republic where everyone has certain rights that not even the majority can take away. If you would like to see a good example of it, look at the Rockefeller center. I believe ther is a small building from a guy who refused to sell out to the powerful interest of the elitist Rockefellers and they had to build around them. That’s a good thing. Some did not want a bill of rights because it might be seen by some as limited to just those mentioned in particular.
    As far as elite rule, the Senate was to be different from the House because they called the House the “People’s House” The Senate would be different usually having more wealthy to help counter each other so neither would become too powerful as to take over the other.
    I would have preferred listing with affirmation more rights listed and those not listed. I would have also made it unconstitutional for the Federal govt. ever paying a pension or any enumeration. Furthermore I would have required any change in that to be a unanimous vote in all branches to override it.
    You talk about greed. Greed is when you have poor people demanding what others have worked for and earned. Greedy, lazy, ghetto trash deserve the lot they make for themselves.

  • Anonymous

    St lucie fl. 140 % voter turnout.
    There’s an example
    Cayhoga cnty oh,
    100% Obama?
    No votes for the opposition?
    No third party votes?
    Voter fraud.
    If you want to cut down on fraud, the the electoral college needs to be set up on
    Congressional districts, if you win in a district you win the vote for that district.
    Even if your opponent wins the rest of the state.

  • Anonymous

    No it’s not. Obama care is a hodge podge of ideas the a dem controlled
    Congress put together to distribute pork to its backers..
    Da Prez pushed a Socialist agenda since he was a kid in HI

  • BentGhazi

    FYI – the topic was not Obama – it was secession talk in all 50 states. You went off on a tangent. You were wrong to start with, you presented no facts and can’t communicate on a level that is on par with adults. Your discourse didn’t improve with age, the more you posted the worse your language skills deteriorated.

    It was you that needed to do research and something to talk about – try the subject being discussed for a refreshing change of pace for you.

    Follow your own advice.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DZOML2ZV7OXHY2I5YZW5SLQBFI Robert

    The reason so many want to secede is that the current Federal Government wants to take away all of the freedoms that we have fought for since the Revolutionary War and make everyone a slave to their handouts.  If you are a legal citizen and have the legal right to vote 10 to 20% of the votes cast are nullified by the votes cast by either fraud or Illegal’s canceling out your vote.  I am ready to take up arms as I (and thousands of others) took an oath to preeserve and protect tthe constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.  Our freedoms have been eroded to such a low point that if you don’t like someone or say anything against one of the annointed catagories (minorities, Gay’s or Islamic extremest’s, etc.) your are considered to be guilty of a hate crime.  
    If you look at the results, what stands out is the Black vote, 93% for Obama and the Media claims that White Conserveties are Racist if we disagree with the current administration’s policies.  I can remember when I was younger that one mans right would not be taken away just to accomodate another mans so called rights.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BFG7S5Y4Y7NFSTFSSIVFF6LKKA sameold

    I am not racist for wanting smaller government.  I am not racist for wanting to know the truth about Benghazi and Fast and Furious.  I am not racist for paying my taxes and expect every American to do the same, and to not get back more then what they put in.  I am not racist for thinking we should not be giving foreign aid to countries when we can not balance a budget.  I am not racist for wanting people to be employed not 45,000 people laid off with in 1 week of the election.
    I am an American, who wants this country to be better, who knows this country can be better.  If it takes petitions to show the Government “Don’t Tread on Me”  then more power to it!  

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BFG7S5Y4Y7NFSTFSSIVFF6LKKA sameold

    They already have your information.  

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RT7T7LCQ56NAYGU5OZZKRXSTFI Texan

    Maybe your comments would mean a little more if you could spell and use correct english!!  Where the heck did you get the word “tooken”???

  • Todd Scheller

     This post does not contain typos it contains a complete destruction of the English Language as known to those with a modicum of intelligence. I is always capitalized when used as a word. Always not whenever you feel like it. Talking requires the SPOKEN word, not the written word. The phrase is ace in the hole, not ace in the hand. If you are not going to proof read for simple errors in clarity and conciseness, then you are wasting our time by posting. Corrections to you paragraph are provided in Italics.

    Yeah, I am because I understand what typos are and understand that if a person makes a typo I usually know what they mean and it’s not important
    for me to point it out I just go to the subject we’re writing about. I find that most people on blogs that worry about typos do so only because they want to hold on to that as an ace in the hole when they really have nothing to write. So I understand I have typos I’m not wasting the time, my
    time, to proof read.

  • http://www.facebook.com/darryl.vanderklein Darryl Vanderklein

    I have the balls, of course  you are talking to a guy who would rather die than obey the unconstitutional laws being put in place. My values outweigh the worth of my life. I don’t like what my tax dollars are being used for, I don’t pay taxes. I don’t like anti-gun laws being put in place, I point my gun at anyone who comes to take it. I’ve already written them off as a traitor, and just like I refuse to acknowledge a bunch of politicians as our leaders when they go against the founders laws, I refuse to acknowledge their right to walk on the sovereign ground that is my land, and if I die they die with me. Better dead than a slave to the system.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000093079315 Daniel Heller

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  • Sunshine Kid

    The District of Columbia is surrounded!  It needs to be expelled from the USA!

  • Sunshine Kid

     You’re not the only one getting tired of restoration talk, sir!  It’s one thing to actually work toward a true return to the values of the Founding Fathers; another thing entirely when no steps are laid out on how to accomplish this in the face of the Democrat/liberal/socialist administration we now have that does NOT follow the laws of the land.

  • Sunshine Kid

     The only point I would disagree is the requirement to have a unanimous vote to overturn anything.  Simply because there never will be a unanimous vote in any political debate.

    Other than that, you make good points, but your last sentence is like posting a notice on a bulletin board with a railroad spike and sledge hammer!  I could not agree more!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kim-Williams/1363204453 Kim Williams

    I’m sorry Mr. Beck, but it’s too late.  America is already gone, except in name.  We have a free press that has become a propaganda arm of a government that calls itself Democrat/Republican when in reality it is more socialist/fascist.  Our government run schools have been indoctrinating students rather than teaching them.  Votes are for sale to any one who wants the government to buy their groceries and give them a free cell phone.  It doesn’t seem to matter anymore who we vote for, because the machines were rigged to change votes that went against the current administration. We have thugs manning polling places who go completely unchallenged by our legal system and a country where any one can come from any where in the world and vote as many times as they want!   Are you kidding me?  You do not want a “separate” country?  We’ve been kicked out already.

  • http://suzeraining.wordpress.com/ suz

    we need a constitutional convention.

  • http://twitter.com/paoligarcy Paolina

    @the_independent_truth:disqus : First, nobody is giving the oil companies $5 billion, that is a TAX BREAK, as in they get to keep $5 billion of what they earn.

    Compared to the $100 billion given to “green energy” which fails to produce energy, the oil industry is getting screwed. Those tax breaks (the $5 billion) are also available to almost every major corporation, and the oil industry is TAXED more than ANY other industry, every time you go to the pump you pay almost a dollar in excise taxes (which lowers consumption and hurts the oil companies).

  • Anonymous

     Except one.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_X2NAPSXIXUJPOPPGU6CXVFQFLA Snorri Sturluson

    Perhaps the better option to succession, (or moving to another country), is to split states like NY, CA, PA, etc into to two or more separate states. The Liberals, Moderates and Conservatives could then implement their own agendas for better or worse at the State level while the Federal government would not be overly influenced by the voting of large population centers who have populations dependent on the public dole and egregious taxation.

  • Anonymous

     That applies to G.W. Bush too.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for ruining our country by arguing over who is the worst progressive.

    YOU are a RETARD.

  • James Noord

    Glenn,  what you are saying is PRECISELY how the USA is SUPPOSED to work.  The Federal Government provides defense and standardized “communications” if you will via the US Mail. It also provides mediation via the supreme court for disputes which the state(s) cannot agree on.  In addition, the Federal government provides a forum (Congress and Senate) to allow the will of the states and more importantly people to be heard and considered in national issues and allow representatives of the people to make their voices heard. for that matter the whole point of having “states” was to provide the ability to live with like minded people under a local law that was mutually agreeable.  If you didn’t like the rules in this state, move to another where you could live happily.  This was/is the core difference between living in England, France, Spain, Germany, Holland, Sweden, or any other country with “universal” law for the whole country.  America is a “representative republic” of states, whose centralized control was usurped by the Federal government in the early 1800′s. John Quincy Adams “coup” attempt was the beginning of this effort.

  • Anonymous

    Why doesn’t Beck just have a “Restore” event? Then all of you retards can get together and jerk each other off again.  You need to talk to people that believe differently, not get together to high five each other.

  • James Noord

     wow

  • Anonymous

    Glenn, I believe that most Americans who signed the petition don’t want to secede. They want to be heard!! We don’t have a national radio station to air our grievances. Do you also suggest that we not e-mail our elected officials to let them know how we feel because they ask for our information and it might get us put on a list. Our election was stolen thru voter fraud and our Republicans just surrendered. We can no longer look to our government or law enforcement or military to do anything. So what do you suggest we should do besides homeschooling kids which isn’t possible for most and taking control of the media (how?)? We have no other way to vent that I can see and we feel that if we don’t do something quick all will be lost. Obama has had one agenda from the beginning, to destroy America. He is going to achieve this whether we sign a petition or not. The only question is are we going to fight for God, family, and country.   

  • Anonymous

    “You need to talk to people that believe differently, not get together to high five each other.”  Would that be like talking to you?????   I think I will pass!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000931730627 Mark Humberger

    Glenn? Are they going to direct their anger at over 600,000 Americans and point them out or single them out for execution? I don’t think so!! Maybe this will get our point across that things are wrong with OUR COUNTRY!!!!!

  • Kittyhane

    I guess for this reason I would sign it:
    I just received my tax return for 2012 back from the IRS. It puzzles me!!! They are questioning how many dependents I claimed. I guess it was because of my response to the question: “List all dependents?”I replied: 12 million illegal immigrants, 3 million crack heads, 42 million unemployed people on food stamps, 2 million people in over 243 prisons, half of Mexico , and 535 persons in the U.S. House and Senate.”Evidently, this was NOT an acceptable answer.
     I KEEP ASKING MYSELF, WHO DID I MISS?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7NJE6GE3O74UNL245ESGJOVMFU TJM

    I’ll tell you the reason so many want to be the Old World again. It’s because “We the people” have allowed the indoctrination of our most valuable resources… “Our Children”,  in the PUBLIC schools. That’s where it begins. The movie “Indoctrination” talks about it. The movie “Expelled” talks about it. And so many more. And it will continue until the American people WAKE-UP and reclaim our children. The history they are taught comes from the progressives. It is NOT the TRUTH! But they believe it… hook, line and sinker. And they are taught their parents don’t know anything. And it’s working. The children are the future of this country. The progressives figured that out long ago. But the conservatives are fast asleep.

  • Cameron Vance

    I smell a conspiracy theory here.

    But seriously…

    Ultimately, who knows. There may be a World Order, but then again there may not be: It could be that obama, or some of his more radical supporters, just simply rigged the election for himself, that he won fair and square (Reasonably unlikely…), or any of 100 other possibilities. Unless people find some clear and consise evidence that point to anything, we may never know.

     The key is to be prepared for anything. This nation is about to have an economic collapse, and we need to be ready for whatever happens in the future.

    It is time for us to cling to our Bibles and Guns, bunker up and stand firm in our beliefs, because the storm is about to hit. Pray to God that we will be able to fix the wreckage when its over, and that we will have the courage to stand against the darkness when it is neccisary. 

  • http://twitter.com/pelicn Judy Avery

    Honor the Constitution Glenn?  You mean like Lincoln did?  You spoke of the “Night of the Long Knives” in Nazi Germany on today’s show.  You are very good at connecting the dots, but you haven’t connected them regarding this?   Lincoln also “saved the Union” by force.  What makes him any different? Lincoln killed the Constitution!  We are, or I should say were, a REPUBLIC of STATES. 

  • Anonymous

    While you are absolutely correct about the New World Order and the fact that Obama has been annointed by them, this does not mean we are to stick our heads in the sand and hope this all will just go away. It will not! I agree with you about having faith in God, and accepting His Son Jesus Christ, however, we are to do all we can to promote the freedoms so many have given their all for us to enjoy. We must also sacrifice in the hope the freedoms lost will be restored, and to perpetuate those still enjoyed. Shall we stand strong and united against those who seek to take from us our freedom, or will we, like the coward, shrink because of fear and pray that God will make it all go away? And, for those like “the independent truth”, no one really cares about the color of your skin, and the “truth” is this is exactly the game the politicians want you to play. While you, and others like you are all up in arms about the color of your skin and whether or not you are offended over racial comments, the politicians are laughing at our ignorance and doing as they please with our money and our freedoms. Wake up, we are in the middle of a collapsiing nation, the tide can be stemmed, but only if we are united in our efforts. Just like cancer, those who seek to take from us our freedom do not care about the color of our skin, our age, our nationality. There is still time, but it is running out…

  • landofaahs

    The unananimous statement was meant to be almost impssible to change. It’s hard to buy off everyone. But no system is flawless. Every system requires at least some goodhonest people.

  • Cameron Vance

    People that are angry have to take it out somewhere, and why not on the internet?
    After all, the internet is only made out of Unicorns, troll faces, and crazies. (sarcasm)

    Point: You can be mature, but choose not to ACT mature.

    Point 2: Obama’s policies just suck, 

    and no, I do not intend to back up either of those statements so don’t go asking for proof. They are personal opinions, nothing more.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry to drop in on your debate, but I have a couple points I need to bring up…you stated “it is not socialist it makes you buy insurance not give you insurance” well don’t you see a problem with the gov’t forcing anyone to purchase any product.  At what point do they overstep your bounds or become to involved in our personal lives?  If they can mandate you MUST buy insurance or be “fined” another word for TAX; what will be next?  Second, the “Cash for Clunkers” was such a failure, they gave all this money $4Billion (of our money) http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/fresh-greens/2009/06/22/10-things-you-should-know-about-cash-for-clunkers so people could buy a new car (and I would reference for you but imagine that the govt took down the site) but – since when is it the gov’ts responsbility to help the citizens get discounts on purchases (pretty sure that its NOT in the Constitution); then there’s the Appliance Rebate program that cost taxpayers another $258 Million (our money) http://energy.gov/energysaver/articles/state-energy-efficient-appliance-rebate-program-closed.  You made the statement “unions are the reason we have a middle class because they fight for workers rights” well I beg to disagree – as far as I’m concerned the enslave the workers.  You are FORCED to be in the union its not a choice, you are then FORCED to pay union dues, then those same union dues (I could go on but I dont feel like writing a book); we are middle class – we work hard for what we have, don’t expect anyone to “fight for our rights” we fight our own battles.  Somewhere you mentioned the military and how its overfunded; well let me ask you this – do you not feel its important especially in this day and age when people across the globe want to destroy America?  The military is ALL voluntary, thousands of young men and women step up each year, put their lives on the line and make a commitment to uphold the Constitution and to protect the Freedoms so many in this country take for granted; and yet they are paid so little that some families have to supplement with food stamps – thats sad. And lastly, here’s another little tidbit of info on our gov’t spending -   Obama’s GREEN ENGERY… all borrowed from China…..on your credit card. 1.Evergreen Solar ($25 million)* 2.SpectraWatt ($500,000)* 3.Solyndra ($535 million)* 4.Beacon Power ($43 million)* 5.Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million) 6.SunPower ($1.2 billion) 7.First Solar ($1.46 billion) 8.Babcock and Brown ($178 million) 9.EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*   10.Amonix ($5.9 million) 11.Fisker Automotive ($529 million) 12.Abound Solar ($400 million)* 13.A123 Systems ($279 million)* 14.Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)* 15.Johnson Controls ($299 million) 16.Schneider Electric ($86 million) 17.Brightsource ($1.6 billion) 18.ECOtality ($126.2 million) 19.Raser Technologies ($33 million)* 20.Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)* 21.Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)* 22.Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)* 23.Range Fuels ($80 million)* 24.Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)* 25.Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)* 26.Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)* 27.GreenVolts ($500,000) 28.Vestas ($50 million) 29.LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151million) 30.Nordic Windpower ($16 million)* 31.Navistar ($39 million) 32.Satcon ($3 million)* 33.Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)* 34.Mascoma Corp. ($100 million). DO you not find a problem with all this “funding” to these companies, there hasn’t been a balanced budget in 3 years (could you go w/o balancing your books for that long); we are $16TRILLION in debt – my kids are already in debt to the the gov’t $51K – and the left thinks taxing the 1% is going to save us? There are not enough 1%ers in this country to take care of the 47million currently receiving assistance. Would it not be a better option for those owning the companies use their money to create more jobs – not pay it in taxes to continue ever increasing handouts?

  • Cameron Vance

    Potential options:

    We could hold another peaceful protest at Washington D.C.
    We could petition the white house to repeal obama care.We could start ask our religious leaders to denounce Obama and his policies.We could start peaceful protests in our home cities and towns.We could, as a people, drag our feet with every single policy proposed by Obama.WE COULD PETITION A VOTER RECOUNT IN ALL STATES, AND MAKE IT A MANDATORY PAPER COUNT! 

    There are lots of ways we could protest peacefully besides sign a petition for secession. They may not get his attention, but it will definately get his notice.

     we should try EVERY single peaceful means for fighting. Violence hurts us even more than it helps.

  • Anonymous

    You know it’s not that difficult to understand. Obama promised in 2008 to bring unemployment down to 5.2%, it’s well above that and climbing; he promised to work across the isle and bring republicans and democrats together, he did just the opposite when he passed his healthcare without a single republican vote, furthermore he bypassed the constitution when Obamacare was passed; he promised to bring the country together and to post any proposed legislation on the internet weeks before any vote would be taken on it, he has never even attempted to fulfill that promise, and again on Obamacare the dems passed it and Nancy Pelosi said we must pass in order to read what is in it. That is insanity, the bill is suppose to be read before the vote. No one knew all that was in the bill, and most still don’t because it is still being written. Now you have four brave Americans dead after the Benghazi attack and the President still won’t tell the American people what happened and why they were denied more security after repeated requests for same. Obama has an agenda, and maybe you agree with it, but if you really knew what that agenda was I think you would be terrified. You keep talking about proof of this or that, the proof is there but some refuse to see it. You know it’s like gravity, you can deny it’s existance, but go jump off a building and the proof will become abundantly clear, but not in time to save yourself. I wish you the best in pursit of the proof your are looking for, and I hope you find it in time to effectively become an agent of the change necessary to right the course of this great nation. The path we are on is not sustainable.

  • Anonymous

    I suspect Indy is David or Van.
    Obama could be red, white and blue in skin color and it would not matter. As for standing up for our precious country, and our God given freedoms…..I certainly will not go down without a fight.
    The answer lays with Jesus Christ…like it or not folks, the answer lays with Him.

  • Anonymous

    Out of the mouth of Bush 41.. I can’t recall the speech, but once I heard him say it [New World Order] I’ve researched and read all I could get my hands on. In the middle of it all is The Federal Reserve. Once you know who the enslaver is, in this case the enemy, It can be isolated and reckoned with. I like to know who wants to shackled me, Don’t you?
    Jesus is my armor, my fortress and my guiding light.

  • Anonymous

    THEY ARE SIGNING UP FOR THE WRONG SECESSION …

    THE DOCUMENT SHOULD READ:

    ” SECESSION FROM THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA… ”

     SIGN HERE. _______________________________________

  • Anonymous

    I’ve been telling people to stop signing petitions on any gov. site. It’s a great way for them to distinguish where you’re fitting in. Like take a look at me gov.!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    You can’t see the forest for the trees. There are more unemployed now than when Obama took office, that is net loss not net gain. He has divided this country and anyone with the ability to utilize just a little common sense knows it. Bush, Bush, Bush, will you and Obama ever accept a little responsibility for anything, you have used Bush as your scape-goat, whipping-post for long enough, Obama knew what he was getting into the first four years and certainly knows what is in store the next four. He has no concern about the economy or the jobless and will continue to promote economic policies that will suffocate growth and continue to cause rising unemployment. As for your half the country statements, what Obama is doing will affect the entire country and will not be pleasant. This man wouldn’t make a good pimple on a real presidents butt.

  • Anonymous

    You can keep asking the same questions and hoping for different answers but that doesn’t change reality. Obama has no use for the American way of life where you work hard and are rewarded for it. An America whose military presence and sacrifice has liberated the poor and defenseless around the globe. Americans like the former Navy Seal who defied orders to stand down during the Benghazi attack and saved countless lives, and attempted to save others including our Ambassador. Then our commander and chief blamed the attack on a stupid video, spent $70,000.00 to make an apology video in Arabic and other middle eastern languages to say we were sorry for being offensive. Obama has clearly and intentionally divided this nation and has added 5 trillion dollars to the national debt. You won’t admit any of this but the slightest bit of research will confirm what I have just written. Obama is unworthy of the office he holds.

  • Cameron Vance

    One note on that:

    The House of Representatives represent the interests of the individual people, while the Senate is SUPPOSED to represent the State Government’s interests on a national level. Hence, why senators were originally appointed by the state’s government. 

    Who better to represent your interests than someone you appoint right?

    The state government lost the right to choose their representatives in the Federal Gov. when the Constitutional Amendment that changed how senators were put into office: It changed from an appointed position, to an elected position.

  • Cameron Vance

    (Maybe… there really isn’t any such thing as gravity…

    …And the earth just sucks.

    Cue the Twilight Zone music.)

    Anyway, Good point legeag. Can’t sum it up better.

  • Anonymous

    If secession talks grow to 50 states, wouldn’t it be easier to impeach?

  • Anonymous

     some of us are braver than others

  • Anonymous

     You need the House and Senate to impeach and their doing nothing. It’s just a way for people to vent and show their dissatisfaction. Voter fraud stole the election and the Republicans did nothing, what else are people supposed to do? Nobody seems to be able to give us any viable solutions. Its always vote and we can see how well that went.

  • ThorsteinVeblen2012

    First of all your “might makes right” rationale was discredited years ago.

    It also ignores the 500 treaties the U.S. government signed with the native nations and violated everyone of them.

    Many native Americans have said they would like to go back, many have not integrated into mainstream society preferring the remnants on their societies “reservations.”

    I am neither poor, nor asking for what others have. I am not “Ghetto trash” or lazy.

    This country was founded on theft and as you describe it “might makes right” though you term it differently. Our heritage is of thievery, slavery and exploitation. You call it spreading Judeo-Christian values and democracy.

    The worst lie is not the lie you tell others, but the lie you tell yourself. You are a liar of the worst sort.

  • Anonymous

    It isn’t a question of being brave…it’s a question of being smart…

  • Anonymous

    Haha Kitty…always love reading your posts. I never know whether to laugh or cry!

  • Anonymous

    In a bad mood today?

  • Anonymous

    We need to isolate DC! We’ll put a mote around it, fill it with alligators and watch the fun. No planes, buses, cars….nothing with wheels going in or out.

  • Anonymous

    so what’s smart? maybe you have a solution as to how we can change things? people sure do a lot of talking but can’t seem to tell anyone how to change things in this country. are we supposed to go about our everyday lives while they take away all of our freedom?

  • landofaahs

    The native Americans believed in might makes right. Exploitation means you take advantage of a situation. Nothing wrong with that as long as it is honest. I cannot be held to account for others actions. I stole nothing. I have never owned a slave and that is no lie. Now what other lies would you like to spread?

  • Anonymous

    Romney lost in states that did not have voter id laws.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_63M2KSGFVZEDMJQMO2BB7EX47M Gert B Frobe

    Blame yourself fellow citizens.  We allowed this buffoon and his ideology to exist and permeate throughout our country as we were apathetic and complacent.  We allowed the verbiage to change and didn’t see it coming or just got lazy.  We allowed our kids to be taught garbage and lies about our history and invoked such politically correct junk to exist and said nothing.  We want our vote to count but do nothing collectively as we were duped into thinking that the government can help instead of getting out of the way to help ourselves. 

    Face it America, the people have failed and not the president as we allowed this disease to fester and now we are awake when it may be too late.  Once we realize whose fault it is, then we will be in a mindset to change it back.  I for one have no problem exercising my 2nd amendment to reach such an objective.

  • Anonymous

    Smart is doing, planning off the Fed radar. Do I have to spell out the rest? Fill in the blanks is all I am saying.

  • http://www.facebook.com/beatricekay Beatrice Kay Oliver

    i feel obama needs t be impeached more than nixon did even bill clintn was impeached for what he did is it because he is black>>>

  • Anonymous

    Because not all progressive are what you describe and that the problem when you just talk about them like that why would you expect them to coperate with you when that’s what you say and most liberals work very hard and love there country just as much as you do. just be there veiw are diffrent does not make them any less american until we all can respect each others opion sit down and be able to talk and be able to disagree with respect  nothing will change. there are good and bad parts to both sides. Both sides have thing that they are right on and things they are wrong about. But as americans we need to put aside this i’m a conservative and I’m a liberal attitude. And just look at each other as America with diffrent view that we can long from for me to say that i’m always right about everything would be a lie. So i’m always willing to listen to both side. And there have been time where i had one listen to another piont of view and acxtully changed how i felt because of the diffrent point of view presented to me. And we need to stop listen to these politicians republicans and the democrats 95% are just a bunch of liars. They are the one fanning the flames of hate.

  • Anonymous

    It’s talking about the white english speaking people of the Earth? WOW!!!

  • Anonymous

    You’ll be even more WOWed when you see the destruction for yourself.

  • Anonymous

    Well the right needs to relize the part that Bush has in theis economy and how Obama has started the recovery.

  • Anonymous

    Can we please stop with the talking points I have already killed all those talking points with facts.

  • Anonymous

    OK

  • Anonymous

    There is the divide in the country the unwillingness to work with one another. I’m for limited government and individual liberty.  PERIOD.  What’s the middle?  until you get rid of this thinking and start trying to work with each other it will never change.

  • BentGhazi

    Actually it’s you that’s the problem here, retard.

  • BentGhazi

    You are truly a moron – that is not the subject of this thread, or are you ignorant of that too?

  • http://www.facebook.com/Bobby.Geiser Robert William Geiser III

     It is with out doubt, that our government has drifted FAR from it’s routes over the past 100 or so years, and now represents the very thing that we seceded from originally in 1776. We, the American people, need to revisit our routes and purge our authoritarian federal government, in pursuit of freedom, liberty, and justice. I have links to all 50 states petitions, and most of their duplicates here:

    stevemeadedesigns(dot)com/board/topic/155641-individuals-from-all-50-states-start-petitions-to-the-white-house-asking-for-a-peaceful-secession-from-the-us/

    This is a historical movement that now has over a MILLION supporters. Do what’s right, America. Let’s get our freedom back!

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t it nice to see that a handfull for Americans can pull together a grass roots protest that makes these dems ,reps, and talking heads in the media crap they pants and wonder what the heck is going on.

    They so out of touch with normal working people it isn’t funny.

  • Sandie

    Wow, now there’s one with an outstanding political mind. Out standing in the wilderness I should add.

  • Sandie

    LMAO

  • Sandie

     Yes, and  we can  build a barbed wire fence around the place to keep them in the asylum they have created.

  • Anonymous

    We the people are holding a new election!

    Go sign for your state. Let your voice actually be heard.

    Don’t let the media make you so scared of your government that you are afraid to sign an online petition for a protest.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ron.holland.165 Ron Holland

    This one time Glenn is dead wrong!
    Secession petitions are good PR but bad
    politics. There is a way for states to legally and politically secede from the
    American union but it must be a state-by-state process established by
    constitutional secession conventions in each state.  Read:  http://thedailybell.com/28286/Ron-Holland-Secession-Petitions-Good-PR-But-Bad-Politics

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gerri-George/100000957431565 Gerri George

     spot on old chap, spot on.

  • Anonymous

    LOL. The truth shall set you free.

  • sparducks

    Your allegiance should first be to your families then your city then your county then your state then your country. Everyone has this thing upside down. Lets change things from the local level on up. Governors should be protecting their citizens from this rabid federal government as well as the county sheriffs. Don’t believe me? Look it up. Your county sheriff is the most powerful law enforcement official in the country. That’s right the COUNTRY. Now lets all quit with the pity party and take this country back. CONSTITUTIONAL SHERIFFS………….Look it up!!!

  • Sandie

     You can’t get that from this administration, so I guess that meas we are SOL and screwed as a country..

  • Sandie

     What ambassadors were killed by G W Bush’s actions?

  • Sandie

     The only way a Libertarian will win an election is if the Libertarians take over the Republican Party and field a Libertarian candidate, like the Socialists took over the Democrat Party and ran a Socialist/Marxist. The Libertarians tried with Ron Paul but came no where near. We have to find a better candidate who is not going to turn off the Republican base and who is more realistic in his/her views.  There are another 4 years now to select and cultivate some possibilities. Better get busy!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ruppert-Baird/1181918408 Ruppert Baird

    The Ottoman Empire was based in Turkey. Kemal Atatürk led Turkey  to independence from the Ottomans, despite the fact that the Empire still existed. Using that as an example, it could happen here. Let New England and California stay in the US, and carry with them DC and all that national debt. The rest of the 34+ states can reform a constitutional nation devoid of Obamacare, the EPA, the Departments of Education, Energy, Transportation and Health & Human Services.

  • Anonymous

     I’m not going into hiding, I want to be out front changing  peoples hearts and minds. This country won’t survive if we don’t get back to the morals and values God gave us and I will shout it from the roof tops if I have to.

  • Anonymous

    Practice what you preach brother. What I have written are solid facts. Just because you don’t like the facts does not change them. As for your obsession with Bush bashing, after four years of failed policies you, Obama and the rest who are still crying over the economy inherited in 2008, grow up. I don’t defend many Bush policies, including his creation of Department of Homeland security or his bank bailout. However, we are living in 2012, not 2008 or earlier. At some point you, Obama and others have to accept or assign responsibility on or to whom it belongs. In the present case that person is Obama. I have one further point to make. Where is Obamas outrage and anger over the four dead Americans in Benghazi. Oh, he talked really tough about Senators Graham and McCain. Obama has never spoken to or about the terrorists in the same way he did those just mentioned. Truth is attempting to reason with a liberal like yourself is a waste of time and an exercise in futility. I hope I’m wrong about Obama, nothing would thrill me more, but he has done nothing to indicate he genuinely has Americas best interest at heart.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not in disagreement with you. I too am vocal in my faith and politics. The problem as I see it is, When the opposition knows our plans, they do whatever it takes to thwart them; even lying as you well know. The less they know, The better.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.downincognito Joe Downincognito

    This is a demonstration of how our federal government has been hijacked by the cental bank. Glenn Beck is a coward for not backing this demonstration of LIBERTY!

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.downincognito Joe Downincognito

    “You’re giving your name to data collectors.”
    Glenn your a coward!
    You speak of all this liberty and constitution but when it comes time for america to stand against the hijacked government (that the founders talked about) you end up with your tail between your legs! Your a coward and you do NOT stand for liberty. Your a coward!

  • Anonymous

    You may consider four dead Americans “talking points” or like your hero Obama called them “bumps in the road”, so, no I will not casually dismiss them as talking points. Furthermore, you responded to another person on this thread with the question “why the anger and or hostility” it angers the majority of people in this country when brave Americans die at the hands of extremists whose stated purpose is to kill Americans with impunity and then have people like you and Obama degrade them by dismissing them as bumps in the road or talking points. I am certain if any of those killed had been your family your view would change dramatically.

  • Anonymous

     How is identifying Obama as a communist a racial comment?  It isn’t.  You are simply applying the race card as some kind of defense where race isn’t even a part of the discussion.  Your response is in itself racist and ‘I don’t like that racial comment’.

  • Anonymous

    All that sounds wonderful. The problem is the Constitution under Obama has become obsolete. It is no longer revelant. Obama has issued over 262 executive orders and numerous other back door orders to by pass the constitution. If the constitution was still valid and protected us as it should I would agree,but Obama has control of The Executive, Judical and Legislative branches of government.He has control of the news media,TV, radio,all the goverment agecies including the CIA, FBI, DOJ, Treasury, The Federal Reserve, the military,etc, etc. He has no intention in allowing the constitution  to continue as it has for over 200 years.To disagree is one thing. He will not allow anyone to diagree with him. If you believe that we still live in a country where the constitution is still real and vieable–then you are living in a dream world. Just because YOU say it doesn’t make it true. The secession petition is a joke you’re right. Obama started it to find out who’s disagreeing with him and who he needs to keep track of. Nothing will happen if one million people sign a petition. It is totally useless. It means nothing. Obama isn’t going to allow states to seceed! There is only one path to secession — a civil war . It can only be won by having the military involved and state and city police and Sheriif’s offices. Yes thousands perhaps millions of people will die and the country will never be the same. The alternative is? We live in a country that resembles the USSR,  we enter the concentration  camps quietly and peacecfully, We walk into the ovens as the Jews did all the time believing there is hope–what we know is coming really won’t happen here. It can’t happen here–because we have the constitution. Obama has proven he has no problem with Americans dying. A border patrol agent, an ambassador, 2 Navy seals and an employee of the embassy all died–were killed –why? Nothing has been done to anyone in charge( who is guilty of those deaths) and nothing wil be done! We not talking about a separate country,but restoring the old one. When laws are passed by individual states and there are Federal laws that are required to be enforced,but the Dep.Of Justice refuses to enforce them and even threatens to put people in jail that do—where is the constitution? Please explain to me how one individual can Honor the constitution even when the states don’t. By following the election process, casting a vote, joining the Tea Party? I don’t want to live in France or any place else. I could care less about Europe and the rest of the world. Excuse me but what have they done for us in the past 200 years–they still owe us money from WWII. Where were they after Katrina and now Sandy? The Muslims have proven that it only takes one man with a bomb strapped to his body to kill one man or several. Anywhere any time. If someone doesn’t mind dying for his cause—anyone can be terminated.  A fanatic, a psycho, a nut case or in their eyes–just a believer. Whether now (in the next 4 years) or later (because during th next 4 years Obama will suspend the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, all the freedoms we know)  Some form of rebellion is coming. Each one of us will have to decide how they want to live or possibly die. As William Wallace said at the end of  the movie Brave Heart” F-R-E-E-D-O-M!

  • http://twitter.com/BoomerWhatever Boomer

    Congressman Allen West better make sure that “honest” recounting of votes can be authenticated, and that all other votes pertaining to his candidacy have been tallied efficiently. There have been many other “fraud alerts” in other states. Has Obama or the Department of Justice shown any interest in “falsified data” that has raised serious questions in the minds of voters? At what point will “we the people” feel compelled to use bullets instead of ballots to let our desires known in these Divided United States of America? 

  • http://twitter.com/Allison_Coyle Allison

    I listen to Glenn everyday and generally agree with him. But I completely disagree with him on this matter. The government keeps tabs on who we vote for (in certain states, anyway). If you voted for Romney, I’d say you’re already on the grid. Furthermore, if we can’t petition our own government, why kind of people have we become? Our Founders put THEIR lives on the line to give us this right. And we cower, like children. 

    Not me.

  • Valentine Day

    Glenn Beck is an unAmerican coward

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/K7GR2CCKEY7NQYTLFMJK3AQIX4 Nate

    Yeah, secession talk grows amongst the 1/3 of one percent whacky enough to think they could pull it off.  Lol!  This crap happens all the time, and nobody bothers to notice.  This time, however, the neo-cons like Beck are feeling bruised after their failure in the election and need to latch on to anything.  This is it, and it’s sensationalist enough to inflame the dittoheads and thus sell lots of advertising, which, after all, is the only thing these guys really give a crap or know anything about.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/K7GR2CCKEY7NQYTLFMJK3AQIX4 Nate

    Why don’t you folk who can’t seem to live with our CONSTITUTIONAL elective process pack up and just go somewhere else?  We had to put up with 8 years of that idiot Bush and crew; I don’t see how this is any different.  At any rate, those states you talk about so cavalierly are part of the UNITED STATES.  If you want to secede, I suggest you just head out (alone – you can’t have the states) asap.  Don’t let the door hit ya on the way out. Apparently, while you think you know the constitution, your knowledge and understanding of a democracy come up a bit short.  May I be so bold as to suggest Iran or Korea as good choices for your political philosophy?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/K7GR2CCKEY7NQYTLFMJK3AQIX4 Nate

    “…one time Glenn is wrong….”?  Lol, really??  This idiot is wrong about most things, it’s just that he has found a niche where lots of gullible, worried people are grasping at straws for simplistic answers to the complex issues we face.  He substitutes opinion, innuendo, and allegation for fact, belittles and cuts off anyone with the temerity to challenge him, and talks about a Constitution he obviously does not value or understand.  Same is true of Rush and most other the other neo-con commentators/entertainers.  It is all formulaic in nature with no real thought necessary.  In fact, thought and a conscience would be highly detrimental to the formula and therefore likely hurt the bottom line, which is what these guys really care about.  Stop be a zombie-dittohead!  While I don’t agree with the perspective most of the time, there ARE some legitimate arguments to be made for conservatism.  You won’t find them promoted by these guys, however.  It’s a shame, but real thoughtful discourse doesn’t sell stuff on the radio – or anywhere else these days.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/K7GR2CCKEY7NQYTLFMJK3AQIX4 Nate

    Lmao!  Yeah, my sheriff is the nation’s highest authority on where to find the best donuts, fer sure.  Best go back and take a magnifying glass to the tattered copy of the Constitution you must keep for quick reference in your back pocket, Sparducks.  I think you are ripe for disillusionment.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/K7GR2CCKEY7NQYTLFMJK3AQIX4 Nate

    Ummm……what have you been taking, old chap?  USSR?  Concentration camps?  Constitution obsolete? You sound clinically depressed and almost out of touch with reality, sanslvador.  Sheeesh!  You must be really unhappy. San Salvador might just be your ticket, sansalvador!  They’ve always been the epitome of democracy, a shining example we should all aspire to in treating citizens well, not interfering with their lives, and allowing meaningful participation in the political process.  What’s a death squad or two anyway?  Just a few disgruntled, misguided souls looking for a release of stress, right?  No big deal….just participation in the democratic process, of course.  I hear flights are cheap this time of the year.  I’d hurry to book now. 

  • Anonymous

     Who are you to define me or anyone else? Some of my ancestors were here before all of the Europeans, some of my ancestors came from Europe and some came on slave ships. How many Polish Americans were victims of Genocide and ethnic cleansing in America, and How many laws were put in place to stop Polish Americans from voting? How many laws were put in place to keep Polish Americans out of the free market for fear of competition(taking business away from “white” people). When did Polish Americans by law have to drink out of  a different drinking fountain, eat at a different lunch counter than everyone else? How many polish Americans were lynched because they were Polish? German prisoners of war that killed “Americans” were treated better and with more respect and had more rights than “African American” soldiers that fought and died to keep this country free for all Americans. As soon as we as African Americans are treated like Americans, maybe we would define ourselves as such. Treat us like you say we should be treated in the constitution, if not then it becomes another bullshit piece of paper like the treaties our government signed with the Indians!

  • http://www.facebook.com/lawrence.bryant.526 Lawrence Bryant

    I’d like to know what you find incorrect in his statement

  • http://www.facebook.com/lawrence.bryant.526 Lawrence Bryant

    You might also add that European diseases killed off more native Americans than the actual violence

  • Lynn

    I can’t get back to the original thread, so I am unable to respond to your request.

    Lynn B. Call

    Voice: 808-826-7201

    Fax: 888-660-3747

    Mobile: 808-651-9550

  • Anonymous

    Nullification is the answer.

  • Anonymous

    You must be speaking of Communist america. Yes I would agree. However, as far as the USA is concerned (you know, the one based on individual liberty, freedom from tyranny, bill of rights, constitution, THE REPUBLIC, etc…) he is quite Pro-American.

    But, I understand if your upset. You have the right to be. It is because of men like him that this little commie experiment we are currently wrapped up in will fail.

    And it will fail. It always has and always will.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lawrence.bryant.526 Lawrence Bryant

    Tribes of the Northeast such as the Iroquois Confederation were primarily hunter gatherers. The Tribes of the Great Plains were nomadic warriors and is likely where this sterotype originated. Tribes did indeed conquer one another but this was hardly the norm. It was enough for a warrior to get close enough to an enemy and touch him to prove his bravery. This was called counting coup. No one here can deny the indigenous people of this continent got a raw deal. The pilgrims were starving to death untill the natives brought them food and taught them to grow crops in this new land. Thus the holiday “Thanksgiving”  Afterwards there were 50 years of relative peace. Within that time frame many more ships arrived from England and Holland. The new arrivals on the promise of  free land saw the natives as savages not deserving title to their own land. They were systematically tricked or simply killed to posess their land .When they fought back whole villages were destroyed killing women and children as well.. Even George Washington is guilty of this genocide and was given the name “Town Desroyer” by the natives. An even greater tragedy are the diseases the settlers brought with them  from Europe. Smallpox, Measels, etc. They seem like insignificant maladies to us now but the natives had no natural resistance . Entire populations were wiped out by these diseases as they spread inland. It is estimated millions may have died  never even having seen a white man. It is certainly not my intention to lay a guilt trip here. It’s just a fact that colonization, by conquest, Manifest destiny,or whatever you want to call it has been ruinous to native populations on every continent. For a truly heartbreaking story read what happened to the native Hawiians.

  • landofaahs

    What whitewash and hogwash. The naticve Americans did not adapt and as all things that do not adapt to circumstances of modernity, they go by the wayside.
    As for Hawaii, they voted to join the evil white society.
    But what is your stupid solution yuou are looking for to assuage the evils of all the white men who ever existed and seem to be the cause of all ills from the beginning of time you American hater racist?

  • http://www.facebook.com/lawrence.bryant.526 Lawrence Bryant

    Thank you Lynn. I was more interested in the comments on Native Americans of which I wrote a piece below

  • http://www.facebook.com/lawrence.bryant.526 Lawrence Bryant

    Mr. landofaahs. You don’t seem very well educated .I never completed high school but any dummy can learn the simple facts I’ve stated. I certainly said nothing about hating America and it has been my experience that those who cry racism the loudest are indeed guilty of it themselves. In as much as you have insulted me I demand satisfaction. If you agree we will exchange names and addresses and meet at some appointed place and time to settle this matter. It has also been my experience that most modern people (unlike our fore fathers) are willing to defend their convictions.In other words I am calling you a coward hiding behind a computer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lawrence.bryant.526 Lawrence Bryant

    Furthermore,I believe in the preservation of the white race,but as you may or may not have heard it is politically incorrect to think that way these days. I have been called racist for having that attitude as well.

  • Anonymous

    Glenn, who are you to decide if secession is the answer or not?  And it is NOT President Obama’s decision, either.  The people of this country have a RIGHT to decide this issue of secession.  Just like the people of England had the RIGHT to secede from England, when their government became too tyrannical.  The United States of America as we know it is OVER and done with.  We have reached a tipping point.  There are now more people in the United States who want government handouts (inside the wagon) then there are people who believe in self-reliance and personal responsibility (pulling the wagon).  I believe that many of the minorities (Hispanics and African Americans) who voted for Obama did so because they want government handouts, and because they can identify with Obama, because he is a minority, too.  They don’t care enough to understand anything more than those 2 issues they WANT – government handouts and minority  race identification.  I believe many Americans who voted for Obama are completely IGNORANT and UNINFORMED about most other major important issues, such as our county’s upcoming financial demise, our rapidly growing progressive/socialist federal government, our loss of personal freedoms, and the diminshing status of America in the world, largely because of our diminishing financial status as a nation.   These Democrats will continue to vote for government handouts and personal dependency, until our country goes completely bankrupt and down the tubes.  Many of the single women who voted for Obama believed the fabricated Democratic ”War on Women” garbage and voted to have unfettered abortions.  So, let them move to a blue state and have all the unfettered abortions they want. 

    We people in the heartland states who voted for Mitt Romney and conservative, Constitutional government have a RIGHT to start up our own country.   We Americans DON’T want to just sit here impotently and go down with this rapidly sinking American ship.  Let the people vote on this issue of secession and decide for themselves.  Who gave YOU the right to decide for us?  And who gave Obama the right to decide for us?   Do you really think this country can stand 4 more years of trillion dollar debts?  Under Obama, we will be at 20 trillion dollars in national debt by 2016. 

    And all the people who want to stick with the sinking Democratic ship of government handouts and dependency can MOVE to one of the the BLUE states that voted for Obama.  Let them have their Obama King and go completely down the tubes financially.  The people in the RED states who voted for fiscal sanity and limited Constitutional government can start up their own country, with their own elected officals and their own armed services.  And those new elected officials will have TERM LIMITS, and they will be there representing the people for the right reasons.   Alaska also voted for Romney, and Alaska certainly has ALL the natural resources a new country needs.   LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE!

  • Anonymous

    Glenn,

    You say you want to honor the Constitution.  That’s just great.  I believe most of the people in the heartland of America who voted for Romney also want to honor the Consitution.

    But you just don’t get it.  Please wake up and get real.   MOST Americans no longer want to honor the Constitution. That is the point.   Our Presidential election, (probably the most important election in our country’s history), just proved that what MOST Americans want is government handouts and govenment dependency.   Our country has reached a tipping point.  The United States of America as we know it is DONE and OVER with.  This Presidential election just proved that conclusively.  Obama told us he would FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORM AMERICA, and Obama’s Democratic party has been diligently working on doing that for the last 4 years.  The Democrats succeeded in doing that by giving the people “stuff” and promising them “more stuff” is Obama was re-elected.  

    America is now FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORMED.  This is now a country with a majority of citizens who are takers, and people who feel they deserve “stuff” from their government.  Look at France and Spain.  This is what American is becoming now.  This was Obama’s DREAM. 
    Get USED to it! 

    This country is now going completely down the tubes financially.  Those people who want secession from this total MESS simply want a CHANCE for themselves and their children. 
    We in the heartland of America have a RIGHT to vote for that CHANCE.   We have a RIGHT to sanity and a RIGHT to secede. 

  • sparducks

     Look it up retard, before you go shootin off your trap, jackass. I dont need a pocket edition of the constitution fuckwad. I already know it. Now you fucking retard why dont you give a cogent response. Did you google constitutional sheriffs, asshole? Or did the donut remark fill your wee head? Every sheriff is the highest law enforcement agent in his own county. Get it Nate? Step into his county and regardless of what federal or state agency you work for you have to go through the Sheriff to effect an arrest, a search or a seizure of property. You may indeed have a spinless fatass for a sheriff in your county but the fact remains the duly elected county sheriff is top law dog. Now kindly restate or get coited asshole.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carol-Morgan/100000253121773 Carol Morgan

     when you use such foul language a person cannot even get through your message without being offended if they are sensitive at all. please protect the integrity of your message and clean up your figurative speech!

  • sparducks

    I curse at commies. I can give a shit if their sensitive. I’m watchin’ my country go down with no future for my children and you want me to clean up my language? Piss off lady. Being sensitive is what got us into this mess. Go knit a sweater or watch some Phil Donahue. I’m not in the mood for a nanny.

  • Anonymous

    Well which policy do you think sucks?

  • Anonymous

    Some conspiracy theories are actually true.  This is one of the weapons used to fight against people that want to rally support against these things.  Shut them up by calling them a nutcase conspiracy theorist.  Repeatedly say it is just a phony conspiracy.  “Say it often enough from enough sources and the masses will believe it.”  Hitler, Stalin, Lenin and Karl Marx all said this.  This is how you take control and oppress the people.  This is how Germany was turned to ashes.  There is a powerful party that in fact hates our Constitution, hates our flag, does not want our pledge of allegiance recited in schools and representatives of this party have gone to other countries such as Egypt and said they should not copy the government of the United States.  They said it is a bad government.  They actually come out and say the people have too much power.  They don’t want the people to have a say.  They want big brother to control us, control our beliefs, indoctrinate our children because they are all wise.  They know that the old king George style oppressive government is better.

  • Anonymous

    His policies tell all.  We don’t need to list proof here.  It is there for all to see for anyone with half a mind.