This is a national nightmare.

May God bring comfort and ease of pain for the families of the lost.
May He bring fast healing to the injured survivors.
May He bring peace and wholeness in time to the children and the community.
May He bring calm and order out of the pain and chaos caused.

May He draw the community together in this time of their greatest ordeal.

No more had word gotten out about this shooting that the Democrats started howling about the need for more arms control and seeking to use this for their hellish political gains.

Obama could not even keep politics out of his crocodile-teared filled message to the nation,  and may he be DAMNED TO THE DEPTHS OF HELL’S HOTTEST FIRES for this!!!

So many lives lost and innocent children killed by a madman, and the blasted leftists cannot leave their twisted, insane and cold-hearted ideology behind to sympathize with the victims families, and with the community.

They have shown in the seeking to manipulate and twist this tragedy to their own gains their true allegiance to darkness, corruption and inhumanity of the worst kinds. May God’s justice be delivered upon them all swiftly and without mercy! 

Prayers & comfort 1st. Politics later.

Obama just held a news conference where he actually showed some emotion. Unfortunately he then said that he was “going to take whatever steps necessary, regardless of politics, to make sure this doesn’t happen again.” That is code for gun bans. I do not understand people who think that banning guns will stop the killing. This murderer at the grade school would still have found some way to kill those 20 children and the 6 teachers.

These type of shootings & senseless killings are directly due to hateful evil
liberalism-union controlled public ed system. Liberals/Democrats goal
has been 2 tear down our traditions. An effort to destroy God has been a
goal of the godless left.

Yes, this is a direct result of progressive
liberalism. The filth of our society. Leftist are so excited right now,
they will say, “see, it wasn’t anything to do with are policies, it’s the guns that are
to blame.” BS. Obama’s hatred over the past 4 years caused this to happen. Too bad for the babies and
other children that have to live through these type of human tragedies. My heart goes out to the parents and citizens of the tragedy caused by evil racist self centered liberalism in America…

Why should someone have the right to buy such a weapon? Should they be allowed to buy a flamethrower?  A Bazooker?  A landmine?  Other countries dont have easy access to weapons and have many fewer killings

 The liar in Chief pushing for gun control is an act of violation of the oath of office & a lot of people do not realize that.
We do need to keep the families & victims in our prayers.

All the ranting about how obama and lefties are at fault in this tragedy: politicization of the tragedy.

snowleopard, Jesus is watching you and your hate filled heart. There is no salvation for you. Did a tear come upon your eyes after listening to that news? Or were you more busy hating those who felt the jolt from within and choked up?

What that Horrible Person Has Done is inexcusable, but the Gov’t is saying something like…

“Our Enemies are killing people with GUNS, so they need to be Banned for Our Own Protection!”

This has been one hard day to get through, its very difficult to even drag yourself away from the television. 20 innocent babies filled with dreams of Santa’s arrival, will never get that chance. How do we answer the question of why…its nearly impossible, but we can expect this to ramp up yet another round to strip US citizens of gun ownership.

In such a world, that is the last commodity I would want to be without. If there were a way to outlaw guns from ever being gripped by the likes of these nuts, who routinely slaughter innocent lives, I’d be 100% behind the bill, but, much like the Pandora’s-box – once opened, it can never be closed. Now if guns become outlawed, these unstable monsters who walk among us and stalk our children at their schools and threaten every other aspect of life, they will still have access to deadly black market weapons of their choosing. Are we to throw stones in our defense if confronted by such a shooter, that’s what will happen, if we’re lucky enough to have time to find a stone, if protective weapons are stripped from our bill of rights.

Remember Timothy McVeigh, who bombed the Oklahoma Federal Building. That nut left 168 dead in his wake, including 19 innocent children under the age of six years old. 680 others were injured in the same bomb blast. A horrible day, a nightmare really, but guns were not the weapon of choice, believe it or not, it was simple farm fertilizer (ammonium nitrate) and race car fuel (nitromethane) packed to the hilt in the back of a common rental truck. A simple fuse was ignited and Mr McVeigh calmly walked away.

“It must be of the Spirit, if we are to save the flesh” – Gen. Douglas McArthur

We are paying the price for removing God from our society….how can we look our children in the eye and explain this horror any other way.

Did you not see that 22 children were also stabbed at a school in China today as well? Should they outlaw knives as well? Or maybe they should actually deal with the actual problem.

Exactly.

My heart goes out to the families. Sadly we all know that BO and his pals will be “milking” this tragedy and pretend they want gun control for everyone’s sake when what they want is really something else, POWER

 Not true. Switzerland, for example, where almost every man is required to own and keep an automatic weapon the crime is much lower.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_DxNpW1kHQ

Lack of God, you take Him out of the schools and you take the protection away.  Guess we have to rely on armed guards in our schools, since we have rejected the ‘armor of God’.

Time for stricter gun control and a complete BAN to body armor being available to the general public. Plus arm ALL people responsible for others well-being. Teachers, bosses, everybody who needs to protect innocent people. Arm and train them. Sorry if ya don’t like it, but what will it take to stop this shit?

Prayers go out to the victims,  their families and all who were touched by this tragedy. My hope is that cooler heads will prevale and not jump to  any conclusions until all the facts can be herd.
As Glenn stated in one of his tweets, it’s not the gun, it’s the soul.

How many people would he have killed with a knife? Would he have been stopped before killing anyone…or at least before killing 20 kindergarten kids? Simply put, he would’ve been stopped a LOT quicker with that than with semi-automatic weapons. I fully support the 2nd amendment, but this has to stop.

 Had there been someone in that school such as a security guard or other persons with legally carried fire arms the tragedy might have been stopped before 20 children and 6 adults were killed.  They might not have saved all of them but they might have save many.  Guns do not kill.  People kill. 

The last few generations had to rely upon Church or parents to teach them morals. Society does not teach the morals found in Scripture they reflect a liberal relativism that ends with no hope. If the parents did not go to Church then how can the children be taught. Parents who do not attend church rarely tell their children to go to Church and hear God’s word because it will convict them of their own sin. When John the Baptist prepared the way of the Lord it was said of Him, “He will
also go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, ‘to turn the hearts of
the fathers to the children,’ and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just,
to make ready a people prepared for the Lord,” Luke 1:17. That is what is missing in today’s society the Fathers do not know Jesus so they do not share the good news with their children. Generations are lost and without prayer in the Public Schools most kids do not hear about Christ anymore. My daughter and I were just speaking with a 3rd grader who stopped to admire our Nativity Scene in the yard. My nine year daughter old asked him if he knew what Christmas was about. He said, “family.” She said, “That is part of it. But there would be no Christmas and no holiday if it were not for Jesus being born.” He looked surprised and said, “I didn’t know that.” Sad

When I was in elementary school, we said a little prayer to God, each and every morning.  Then we pledged allegiance to the flag of a country that was “one nation under God”.  Many years ago, that all changed. Our courts kicked God out of our schools; and the weak-kneed politicians, scared of losing a vote, went along with them.  Our Supreme Court even sided with them.  Why are we now so surprised by tragic events such as this.  We need God’s hedge of protection around each one of our nation’s schools, colleges and halls of government, now, more than ever. 

PEOPLE.  Can we please stop talking about gun control/no gun control at a time like this???  Our children are being killed.  No matter where they go they face the possibility of never being able to live their lives, and have what we’ve all been blessed with for years.  And another thing, look at the age of this still young man that is now dead and suspected of the killing.  What in the world is happening to our young adults.  The mall shooting, another young man.  Our hearts break for these families of all those who were killed today.  Our society is in real trouble.  These families need our prayers and support in whatever way we can.

 If the people at the school office were armed, the damage would have been less.

Draxx – have we as a nation grown so callous and cold and jaded to these events that we have begun to lose our collective compassion for those who are true victims in such events?

Or is it just certain members of the media and public who love to hype up these events and exploit them for ratings or whatever they seek to get done?

Glenn’s comment of “It’s not the gun, it’s the soul,” got me to thinking about that.

Since God has been taken out of our society, our society is devolving back to violence, barbarianism and unenlightenment.  If things don’t turn around, we will devolve right back into the ooze.

May our Good Lord put HIS arms around the loved ones.  My heart goes out to the families.  You are in our sincere prayers.

0 will use this to force his disarming agenda onto an ignorant public.  In Israel teachers are armed to protect their students.  

 if God doesn’t protect little kids b/c they or their parents don’t pray hard enough (as you suggest), especially since kids under the age of five don’t have brains developed enough to conceive of something as abstract as God, then that’s an asshole i wouldn’t want to spend an eternity with.

Growing up a couple of miles from the school,and playing on it’s grounds,the whole thing seems surreal right now.When something like this happens across the other side of the country,it hurts,but when you recognize the landmarks,the buildings.It really brings things closer to home so to speak.A number of you have hit the nail on the head.This isn’t about gun control.It’s about evil,pure,and simple.We have turned from a sanctity of human life and our Creator,and it’s been showing it’s ugly head…BIG TIME!!!

Today’s not the day to explain your ignorance to you..give it a break and have some respect for the dead and for those who mourn

It is the soul! We,as a country,and society,have lost our Moral compass!

 i found her comment deeply upsetting on the premise that God would chose to not protect innocent kids b/c they or their parents don’t pray.
i’m making a point that if that’s how god operates then that really isn’t god.

what was the shooter under the influence of and what med.’s under what Dr. if any …the side effects of some med.’s are worst than the actual diagnoses at times. People don’t just radomly do these sorts of things as often as they have been in the last few years… its really obserd to think someone does these things for fame as gets mentioned all to often as if its a trend…That would be one pathetic trend.

How many lives would have been saved if teachers and the principal had a a concealed weapon? A shooter can just walk around shooting at will if not challenged, but certainly he would have been distracted, if not wounded or killed, if 2-3 persons were shooting back. More gun control, more killings. More gun free zones, more easy the killings will be. And the liberals can’t fathom this??? My God have mercy upon those who lost their lives and their families as they must now go through such gut wrenching times. 

NIGHTMARE: Middle school shooting leaves multiple children dead - the latest from TheBlaze.
WTF GLENN? Middle School?  Dumbass

This is a society issue. Until these are addressed/corrected we will continue with these tragedies.

The communists in Washington will call this a crisis, and they will certainly not let it go to waste. We must pray for the ones who were murdered, but, watch Washington try to take advantage of everyone’s grief, instead of condemning a madman.
I will bet that no guns are allowed at this school, as they are always forbidden at all the schools. No teacher is allowed to have one on hand, just in case.
The criminally insane know this, so, they go to the schools to do their evil.
Virginia Tech had allowed guns at the school, but, a year earlier, they said no guns there. Look at what happened then. Any gun-free zone is a crime waiting to happen.
It will probably happen again at some school, God forbid.

save it for another day…..

You’re obviously a Liberal.

The more God is taken out of the Country the more EVIL prevails and America is a perfect example of that.

I love shooting and I enjoy guns.  Much like guys into golf or bowling, it’s the challenge of doing better than my previous scores each time out that I enjoy.

But sure enough, there’s always some scum-sucking moron who is obviously possessed of pure evil who comes along and tries to make shooting enthusiasts like me feel bad about our sport.  Double curses on jerks like this.  May God bless the sweet innocent children and adults.  And may God deal appropriately with the wicked souls who do such evil.

 Are you calling God a dirty name? It takes one to know one, except, God is NOT one. You must be crazy. We better not let you near a gun Or a knife, or children.

 you are seriously pathetic

My heart, thoughts and prayers go out to the families that lost a loved one today. May God be with them and comfort them in their time of such a great loss.
I have to agree with Glenn Beck that people have lost their soul. I miss those days when children were held responsible for their behavior. The cultural climate that we are in does not promote self-control and responsibility. God is calling for us but a lot of us just aren’t listening.

Obama is the biggest HYPOCRITE! How about crying for the MILLIONS of children we kill every year in this Country with Obama’s VOTE and Blessing.

God Bless the Souls of the innocent victims

why should “GOD” do anything for us anymore ! we break “HIS” laws , turn our backs on “HIS”word ! , spit in “HIS” face ! , shit on “HIS” commandments ! , elect degenerate’s to lead us ! ,no “GOD” owes  us nothing !  this is just a “taste” of what is coming for this “degenerate cesspool” of a nation ! , we abort “HIS” children , condone degenerate sexual behavior ! , lie cheat and steal ! we have earned this !!!!!!!

all of you pro gun people……
what good do they do in todays world??

AMMUNITION WILL BE BANNED.
your fear fueled world is going to be remade with love and light and forgiveness for your greed and non-compassionate ways.

would jesus own a gun?????????????????????????????????????????????

 Would he have chosen a knife, or would he have chosen a bomb? We don’t know the answer to that. My guess is he would have gone with a bomb.

No one can stop this stuff except for the individual.  If they take away all the guns someone will use rocks or swords or baseball bats.  They can kill and wound with anything, even their fingers.  It’s the hatred in the human heart that’s the problem.  That’s what killed Jesus but he came back!

Again, this administration’s policy is evident : Never let a crisis go to waste.” 

 Ammunition being banned has nothing to do with reality…Jesus Christ being banned does. Jesus doesn’t need a gun, he’s the author of your future resurrection.

WHY DELETE MY COMMENT, IM POINTING OUT YOUR MISTAKE. 

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MIDDLE SCHOOL?? WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU.  CAN’T GET BASIC FACTS RIGHT AND YOU DELETE MY COMMENTS TO HIDE YOUR PROBLEM. SCREW YOU

Errr…before you start your obscene invocatin of Jesus – I suggest you read Revelations. When Jesus returns, He’ll be packng heat.

FYI - apparently the shooter had a “career” mother, who left him alone a LOT, and it’s a given that the shooter was doped to the gills on psychotropic drugs. THAT is the real factor, in all these “crazed” shootings. The psychiatric meds.

Amen to your point.  

 Guy Becker
Don’t go after Snow because you don’t want to lift a finger to stop the
degradation of our schools and the people of this nation when the primary culprits
in then WH, NEA and the Unions for the schools which are GODLESS. Controlled by
the GODLESS LEFT.
Don’t presume what GOD will do or not.

 most of these gun crazy paranoids claim to be christian,
yet they live the opposite of a christian life….why is that?

I think its troubling how much hatred you are bringing to this. I agree it’s disgusting that politicians are instantly turning this to their political benefit but listen to what you are saying. “may he be DAMNED TO THE DEPTHS OF HELL’S HOTTEST FIRES for this!!!” 

Matthew 7 Do not judge or you two will be judged. For in the same you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

I have lived in the rough times, the good times and  now the BAD times. It all boils down to America has put God on the back burner. We as nation have broke the Covenant with God. America has been blessed beyond any other nation. But that is all changing, sin has reached the portals of Amighty, we are ripe for harvest. But there is a way:II Chronicles 7:14….”IF MY PEOPLE, WHICH ARE CALLED BY MY NAME, SHALL HUMBLE THEMSELVES, AND PRAY, AND SEEK MY FACE,AND TURN FROM THEIR WICKED WAYS: THEN WILL I HEARFROM HEAVEN, AND WILL FORGIVE THEIR SIN, AND WILL HEAL THEIR LAND.
  That it in a nut shell. I want America to be BLESSED by God, I want America to prosper, I want America to have job and plants where people can work and bring home a check to supply for their family. God help us to put in to ACTION II Chronicles 7:14.

I can guarantee the kid was doped up on tons of heavy duty psychiatric “medications”. That’s the element that is always overlooked.

WHY DELETE MY COMMENT, IM POINTING OUT YOUR MISTAKE. 
“NIGHTMARE: Middle school shooting leaves multiple children dead - the latest from TheBlaze.” VIA EMAIL
MIDDLE SCHOOL?? WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU.  CAN’T GET BASIC FACTS RIGHT AND YOU DELETE MY COMMENTS TO HIDE YOUR PROBLEM. YOU ARE ONLY HARMING YOUR CREDIBILITY BY CENSORING CORRECTIONS.

I’M TAKING SCREENSHOTS, YOUR BIAS/CENSORSHIP WILL BE EXPOSED.

 Are you a karate master? How do you defend yourself, if at all? It has been said that if Hitler won the war, we would all be speaking German by now, and some would be lampshades.
It is a good thing that the people in the 17th century had their guns, because, if we had lost that war, we would all be speaking English now.

You have to be kidding me. Go smoke another joint, you dope smoking hippie. Go move to Canada where the crime rate “remains 208% higher than it was in 1962″ and tell me if gun control is really worth it…
PROOF:http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/07/24/crime-stats-canada.html

our children is the most  valuable of all it is bad enough that we leave them in a screwed up nation [because of selfish childish greed] if we do not kill in the womb we kill them in school to all you who are like this creature -who did this .,just go off some were and kill your self in private stop killing my babies

Shame on you for calling Glenn a name.  This has been one of the most emotional and tragic days in the history of our school system.  Cut Glenn some slack here as He provided the site for you to pounce on him.  Glenn wears his heart on his sleeve and that is far more an endearing quality than you may ever know.

 you’re reaching manfred…Christians are known by their fruits…what happened today is obviously not from the mind of God, nor is any other hideous slaughter of the innocent 

Does anyone wonder why they have not posted a picture of this killer?  

Its not the gun for sure. The soul perhaps. But it is for sure what is happening in this nation at this time. We are slipping rapidly into an abyss we may never recover from. This administration is at fault for all the violence that has happened in the past two years. It was never this frequent before now.

Furthermore, more gun control will not change anything. It is already illegal to kill someone. If that did not stop this madness why should anyone think more laws will?

I pray that Almighty God will sustain them and strengthen those whose children have been brutally taken from them and that the God who gave us this nation will restore us as His own.

This is a horrible tragedy. I see it a little different I guess, the institution of public school is a ” gun controlled” place. I think the fact that there are zero guns allowed on campus is why these killers choose the schools to begin with. Schools are ” Gun Free” yet the criminal comes onto campus not caring about their gun free laws and they shoot the defenseless. We send our children to a place for 8 hours per day with no protection?

This is a horrible tragedy. I see it a little different I guess, the institution of public school is a ” gun controlled” place. I think the fact that there are zero guns allowed on campus is why these killers choose the schools to begin with. Schools are ” Gun Free” yet the criminal comes onto campus not caring about their gun free laws and they shoot the defenseless. We send our children to a place for 8 hours per day with no protection?

the soul of the 

NRA- is an empty shell casing.

the soul of the 

NRA- is an empty shell casing.

I’ll take heat for this, but here goes. Folks, it’s time to melt the guns! I know it’s the person holding the weapon, BUT! You MUST make it much more difficult to get one’s hands on a firearm! The “Right to bear arms” was written at a time when government couldn’t protect its citizens. No one needs high capacity magazines, drum mags for shotguns, AK-47s!
If the Republican party wants to get voter support, Speaker Boehner should propose gun control legislation NOW!
Forged at the muzzle of a musket, America needs to move away from it’s culture of violence!
Video games, the glorification of guns, even football! It’s fight, fight, fight! I’m a conservative and one of the things I want to conserve is God’s precious gift of life!
 

I’ll take heat for this, but here goes. Folks, it’s time to melt the guns! I know it’s the person holding the weapon, BUT! You MUST make it much more difficult to get one’s hands on a firearm! The “Right to bear arms” was written at a time when government couldn’t protect its citizens. No one needs high capacity magazines, drum mags for shotguns, AK-47s!
If the Republican party wants to get voter support, Speaker Boehner should propose gun control legislation NOW!
Forged at the muzzle of a musket, America needs to move away from it’s culture of violence!
Video games, the glorification of guns, even football! It’s fight, fight, fight! I’m a conservative and one of the things I want to conserve is God’s precious gift of life!
 

have a heart but it is our society and leader who set the example for krazies like this GOD HELP US during the election so much hate the dems destroyed a good man so

Sorry Jonny, no can do. The only ones carrying will be the criminals.

I can’t help but think the government is behind a lot of these shootings.I may be wrong but it just seems we never had these kinds of things going on until 1) the economy got so bad and 2) the push for more gun control increased.Although this is especially sad with the child victims

OK then, to spare the world, war and hatred, in your view the US should also melt and destroy all our weapons….that is the fastest way to national death and destruction. The same can be said on a personal bases – we need to learn how to protect ourselves and teach our population responsible gun ownership. If there were a gun in the hands of someone other than the attacker, he may have been captured before a single shot was fired.

yes what is his race

I bet when they do, He’ll be wearing a hat and his face will be covered like the Benghazi video guy.

‎”When calamity overtakes you like a storm, when disaster sweeps over you like a whirlwind, when distress and trouble overwhelm you. Then they will call to me but I will not answer; they will look for me but will not find me. Since they hated knowledge and did not choose to fear the LORD, since they would not accept my advice and spurned my rebuke, they will eat the fruit of their ways and be filled with the fruit of their schemes.” - Proverbs 1: 27-31

 You shut your damn mouth!  This is a tragedy, not God’s punishment!  These children weren’t a demand of God’s wrath, they were victims as a result of a sicko’s actions.  God makes the sun to shine on the righteous and wicked alike and he is no respecter of persons.  Why don’t you try and read the scriptures instead of spouting off religious opinions like a jerk! 

It’s also the prescription drugs, and the multi-generational poverty and joblessness that our government causes through its programs.

The schools are gun free! Zero tolerance for guns. Was it a student or faculty member that broke that rule? No! It was a criminal with murder and mayhem in his heart. How about we arm the people who are the only line of defense for our children?

All teachers should have bear mace and dart guns in belts around their waists, a trained sharpshooter on every school floor, and alarm systems like in County Courthouses. We need to show these guys our children will no longer be sitting ducks. 

Absolutely!  This Country has taken GOD and Family out of Everything…this new “group” of DOCTRINATED people and kids have NO Respect for anyone or anything! The GUN did NOT KILL those INNOCENT children and People! The SICK “20 year old DID!” These past few years have caused More people to believe the sickness that has been PARADED on TV, the radio and  IN the schools…Take God out, Put Lawlessness, and disrespect for ALL life and Everything Else! I also say…IF someone ELSE would’ve HAD A Gun, he would NOT have had the “chance” to KILL SO MANY! Yet like others have said here…the GOV and the “one in the WH” want to Use EVERYTHING they can to Take away our Rights, to bear arms and THATS JUST ONE of those, after all, they ALL KNOW Exactly what they’re CREATING…and they don’t want the Guns in the hands of those who will need TO Defend themselves when all this Crap hits the preverbial fan! Which IS Happening and will CONTINUE….Morals gone, God removed, religion and respect and VALUES….GONE…Teachers teaching what “OBAMA” wants Not what the FAMILIES WHO DID raise children to respect All LIFE and ALL PEOPLE….this Country is Tainted….now with the blood of More INNOCENT CHILDREN!

By the way, why don’t we start putting the 10 commandments back on government buildings and in schoolrooms too? It doesn’t seem that our current practices are working really well. You know . . . Thou shalt not kill . . .covet . . . commit adultery . . . steal . . . you know! Just saying!

Well said! I wish I had wrote what you did.

hey man will you defend the helpless feed the starving that hunting provide food for -will you protect the ones that the law will will arrive too late to save because the killers are the only ones with firearms so big boy how about it get real

It is the rejection of God and morality from our country that is the cause of these awful happenings.

watch for OBAMA and the anti-2nd amendment crowd to start an immediate pogrom on any and all handguns, and .223 caliber rigles and anyone who owns one-just in time for Christmas and the re-erection of OBAMA to ultimate power.

 Wow…. You need a serious attitude adjustment. There are families suffering from loss at this time. Innocent children have been taken from this world. People like you do the world little good. Go out and do something more productive instead of spewing hellfire and damnation if you want to truly be a follower of God.

Another Gun Free School Zone.

Bill Clinton should be proud of his accomplishment!

Whom ever takes the life of an innocent does not belong in heaven although if this person repents and

You are right. We have removed God from schools, public places and the hearts of over 1/2 of our nation, This country has embraced immorality, filth, gay marriage, sexual pleasure and every evil that can be imagined. God is not pleased with this country. He has finally turned His back on us and given us an evil president, degenerate congress, and if it continues I am sure it will not be long until He releases His wrath upon us.

We don’t have a gun problem in our country. The problem in this country is that we are taking GOD out of everything, and when you do that, the morality of our society deteriorates.

V ery well said.

A jerk would be better. What exactly did Snow say that isn’t true?

 HWA…?

bull

If you’ll notice the fear expressed on here because there are so many that do not have The Spirit in their hearts….you know the ones.

no the children does not ,,only the adults

People express grief in all sorts of ways, Missy.  Let’s all cut each other some slack today.

http://youtu.be/2h1QNTQDnoU

And what happens with a teacher, boss, or someone else who “needs to protect innocent people” decides to shoot people? Then what?

Banning guns will solve nothing. 

When you sacrifice freedom for security, you deserve neither. Evil is evil and will exist whethere there are guns or not.

who be a man say what you mean we will not hunt you down

It would be nice if Christians acted and talked like Christians instead of cussing and pitching temper tantrums.  Christians, pray for our country and our President and ALL our leaders.  That is what the scriptures tell us to do.

right on the money brother.

right on the money sister.

The Towers. NO MORE INTEREST AMERICA. The Pentagon. NO MORE WAS AMERICA. BLind, deaf and dum.

Come to me my children, I am your true lord and saviour.
 I will save amerika. Trust me.
Love,
Barry

You’re completely ignorant about the 2nd amendment. One of the chief reasons for the 2nd amendment was to allow free people the ability to defend themselves from a corrupt government. When they take away our ability to fight back, they take away our ability to stop tyranny. 

Take away the 2nd amendment, and tyranny is right around the corner.

Father, please forgive us for we have sinned against you and you only.  We have committed fornication and went after other gods.  Please have mercy on us.

Bah, humbug!

I don’t think it was his punishment, but I do think we have removed him from our schools, our public squares and many of our hearts.  Now pple call on him or blame him.  The pres. today couldn’t ever pronounce the word scripture.  Instead of calling someone a jerk for a difference of opinion, why don’t we just think about those parents who can’t even pick up their deceased children off that cold floor.  The officers don’t want the crime scene “disturbed”.  Have mercy on us.  

You have no idea what you’re talking about. The murder rate in countries with the strictest gun laws are higher or close to the same as America. Sure, America has more people killed by guns, but we have a much bigger population.

Just recently, a man in China stabbed 20 children to death. What then? Should we get rid of knives as well?

I’ve said it once before already. When you sacrifice freedom for security you deserve neither. 

The 2nd amendment was first and foremost put together to give people the ability to defend themselves from a corrupt government. With freedom comes sacrifice. You can’t ban everything.

Ban cars? Lots of accidents kill people. Ban bathtubs? Lots of kids drown. Seriously.

These tragedies are the direct result of 60 years of secularism in the country – take God out of the schools and public arenas – and everything else follows, lack of morality, lack of guidance in what’s right and what’s wrong.  The secularists have got what they wanted, this is a society that’s now reaping what they have sown.  Those families who are God fearing and try and raise their children well have a very tough  job of it; the kids are exposed to so much out there.
and this is pure EVIL- People, be let’s be good to one another, shy away from violence in all forms, especially the ‘entertainment’ violence in words and deeds and the slime out there that’s twisting our children’s young mind; parents be good to your children; and children, respect your parents and elders and especially God;… we Need to go back to basics; we don’t need new laws, we need to apply the ones on the books…

Hunt me down? Now why would you put yourself in peril?

Dont fall apart people. This hurts us all to our cores, but be strong and take courage. We all know evil is going rampant in our country so pray, help others, cry, but remember our Savior who looks like is coming soon, will be bringing our redemption and judgement to all who do evil. 

God Bless the poor parents, there is nothing worse than losing a child.  In our town the Board of Ed. had money to burn so they spent thousands of dollars putting gates at all our schools, that are NEVER closed.  Not that they would stop anyone from entering.  I think the money would have been better spent having police officers at all the schools or medal detectors?  My thoughts and prayers are with all the victims.

I am FOR responsible / legal gun possession for self protection – I am AGAINST those being semi or automatic weapons, look at te carnage it does in such a short time … then again if the situation in this country escalates and the population is at the mercy of riots / mobs and even, yes, government takeover…

America today is going through a breakdown like I never seen.Between the occupying protests
of hate and the senseless violence against the youth of our nation.I think we need to stop and
think of whats going on.We play politics on every human issue instead of  acting like a human
being in solving our problems.Todays shooting like the rest should never be happening.If our
society has lost control.Its because common sense,,and knowing whats right from wrong has
gone south.And theres too much stress worrying about what is said of another,too much stress
on our youth and adults when theres difficult times.And the media needs to stop bashing each
other whether your conservative or liberal.Yes,you are part of the problem.When the media as
well as those of you in Washington cannot solve the nations problems on ,what it needs,not on what it wants then we have problems..And right now it needs hope,vision and love.
.And right now we have no hope,no vision and the way were acting on the streets theres no love..
 John F.Kennedy once said,”This nation cannot afford to be material rich and spiritually poor.”
Guess what?Were there.This nation needs to quit fighting over Christmas when the season is
about loving one another not religion.Quit fighting over taxes,or over what Glenn Beck or
Bill O’Reilly or Chris Mathews or what Barack Obama says.And start saving our society.When
we save our society then we save America.And those who says it cannot be is wrong.Whats
impossible for man is not impossible for God.Thats not a statement of religion,its a statement
of faith.God bless those in Newton,CT.Our thoughts and prayers are with you.May God from
this day forward give us sight to see and begin anew.Thanks for listening.

Our family is in shock with the rest of our nation.  Our innocent children have become targets for the depraved.  Evil has always been among us, but our schools lay unprotected.  Wicked gun men seek the unprotected, because they are cowards and do not want to fight a real battle.  They choice a place of learning or a place of entertainment to do their dirty work.  My husband and I wonder if the staff had been allowed to carry concealed weapons would he have been teh only one killed.  In Florida tourists are targeted because it is well known they are the only ones not carry weapons. 

We are foolish to believe taking guns away from the responsible citizens will stop this madness.   Only harsh punishment of criminals will subdue the proliferation of crime.  And mad men, like this 20 yr old who took out his last ounce of rage on the innocent can only be stopped in their tracks by armed individuals.  

These suicide shooters are cowards, praying on life and goodness.  By advertising a location is weapon free these depraved individuals know they can play out their fantasies of rage without interference.  it is time Americans start using their heads and deter crime by harsh and swift punishment or in this case an armed counter attack at the first sign of an offensive.  If these depraved individuals want to go out in glory, I say Let them go alone.

As parents and citizens we cannot stand still and do nothing.  We must repeal the trend of taking away our right to protect and defend.  God help us, if we do not take action against those who would strip us of our natural right of self protection.

80 years of Cultural Marxism is now in full, poisoned flower.

I hope I’m wrong, but I saw something like this coming.

If Obama really is a dictator who wants to destroy America’s democracy, he needs to disarm its citizens despite the 4th amendment.

A tragedy like this a perfect way to fuel the Great Gun Debate. I’m sure its just coincidence. But children?? What type of pure evil is this?

As I say , I pray i am wrong.

20 kids in China today were attacked by a wild man with a knife. So much for that theory.

 It took MSNBC – Andrea Mitchell no time to politicize it, while the other cable news stations were continuing to report and update the situation.

You are right. The next days and week will be agony for those parents who want to hold their child, say goodbye, or “it’s all right, mommy’s here” or “daddy’s here”.

It seems we need to have a person (people) in every school who is/are armed.  The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

This is a beautiful prayer to the God of grace who takes no pleasure in the death of anyone. Thank you! (Ezekiel 18:32)

God has given us all a free will to either eschew evil and embrace Godliness or vice versa! Those innocent children are NOT the result of God’s wrath for America’s rejection of Him! Most Americans have not rejected God but the minority has been more aggressive in their pursuit of evil. We are to blame for not standing up and defending our rights and God has never been in the business of punishing the innocent to make the guilty pay for their sins! We have allowed the evil few to scream and holler until they get what they want instead of standing and being counted. Our rights are being given away because we don’t speak out and force the government to hear the voice of the majority. We are the SILENT majority who bitch and moan when a liberty is gone but we do nothing to stop the minority from getting their wishes! It is time that we stand and be counted and take back America from the wicked minority and returd God to his former position of reverence. We allowed an evil president to be reelected because we didn’t  fight as hard as the minority who elected him! Obama was elected by the MINORITY who are more interested in freebies that will be paid for by the silent, lazy majority! This isn’t the wrath of God folks, it is the fruits of the labor of a lazy majority who allow the minority to control them like little puppets! We need to fight for the rights we adore before America REALLY brings down the wrath of God and I can assure you that God’s wrath will be much worse than the murder of a few innocent children! God loves the little children and to blame this mess on him is just plain simple ignorance! This was the work of one who chose evil over good and we can only blame ourselves for catastrophes like this. Give yourselves a pat on the back silent majority! Let’s put the blame where it belongs!  

 Don’t think banning guns is the answer. But when/if he is proven to mentally ill…shouldn’t we address how he was able to get all the guns? Seems that is worth looking at

I pray for all the families to look to the Lord for comfort ….He, His Holy Spirit is the only comforter…I know, because I have been through it also…it is sheer horror and unbearable pain that you feel…when your loved one’s are heartlessly harmed and killed…Jesus is the only way…when it happened to me, something deep inside of me stopped working and I almost died of pain and sorrow…I lost much weight and got very sick…but Jesus healed me as I acknowledged Him day after day…Lord I ask you to comfort these families and all families across the world that are going through senseless violence…move on them to turn toward You oh Lord Jesus, Yahshua…

The people at fault here are the Liberal school system. They force parents to give their children to them and it’s their responsibility to keep them safe. They failed.

Well Missy, You must think that praying is the answer for everything. If that was the case then the walls of Jericho would have fallen without the Israelites having to march around them and blowing their horns. Missy, what this man is trying to say to the Pew- sitting crowd is that God is  demanding the Christian to do something about evil.  Christians have set by and let this Country go to Hell without a peep for Years. And now they are surprised what happens. 

Why should the Lord do anything? Because He loves us…He died for us before we were even born, before we ever sinned, because He know’s that are spirits are willing to obey Him, but our flesh is weak…We are all the fallen and must ask Jesus to forgive us and save us…But I feel what you are saying and I do know that some people are doing these things…we need to pray for these people like Jesus said to do…Yes there are the wicked and the Lord said, there is no peace for the wicked…But not everyone is wicked and Jesus know’s all that is going on and this is why He said that He is coming quickly …Revelation 22

It is already starting, those on the left will try to use this tragedy to steal more rights from us. Gun control, sorry that does not help to save lives, if a person is determined to do these terrible acts they will find a way. Taking guns from WE THE PEOPLE is not going to and definitely should not ever happen. The right to bear arms is covered in the Constitution. Amendment II; A well regulated… Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Those that say this is talking about the National Guard are wrong, when the Founding Fathers wrote “the people” that’s exactly what they meant. If they was speaking of the State or Federal Government they would have clearly said so, just like they did everywhere else in the Constitution. Trying to take rights from us is covered in another amendment as well. Amendment IX; The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Which simply means they can not change the Constitution to take rights already given to the people. Remember our rights does not come from the Constitution, it just affirms them, nor do they come from government, they are given to us by our Creator and I’m not talking about Mom and Dad but the big guy upstairs, though I don’t think they care if I have a gun either. My thoughts and prayers go out to all affected by this senseless act of evil.

You are right.  We kicked God out of our schools.  When I was that age we said the Lord’s Prayer each morning in PUBLIC SCHOOL.  BTW that school was in a little town right near Newtown Connecticut.  We kicked God our of our courtrooms, so as not to offend people who kill us and our families and friends.  We kicked God our of our town square, especially at Christmas time and we don’t allow our schools or public institutions to mention his name.  God hasn’t done anything to our schools.  What we are seeing is the result of the vacuum that exists after God leaves.  Why are we surprised?  This is not the end…it’s only the beginning.  

Another 20 something male punk probably on psych meds goes on a cowardice shooting spree.

What is up with the young males in today’s society????? You NEVER hear of the female species doing anything like this.

Just turn on the TV and ask yourself “are we watching programs that lift up families and children”.  If not you have an idea of the country that we have allowed to come into our homes.

God wants us to pray. That’s what snowleopard is doing above. Thank our Lord God for her prayers. Don’t ever give up on God because he will never give up on you.
God will judge us all one day. That deranged young man right along with you and me and all of us. We will all be judged at the same time when Jesus Christ returns.
Right now he cries for the lost and gives us time to repent and come to him. He suffers because there are so many lost. That’s our loving God in Heaven.
He does not judge us on a daily basis. He has a day set aside just for that.
If we are not seeking God then we open ourselves up to the Satan’s possession. That was a Satan thing….not a God thing.
May our God in Heaven Bless the children who perished. May he guard their souls with his grace. May he comfort the families and allow the wounded a quick recovery. Bless the prayers my Lord and may they be ten fold. And our enemies my Lord may your will be done.

Well said!

 Evil triumphs when good people do nothing.

Yeah I heard him stammer too. Go on national live TV to talk about murdered kindergarteners and we’ll see how good your pronunciation is, Purser.

My heart goes out to all those affected by this senseless  tragedy. There are many parents grieving for their lost children and others grieving for the loss of their surviving children’s innocence. All of us are wounded when this happens.

What grieves me even more is the hypocritical fake grief of a godless president who, for the sake of 6 or so years, would have happily put many of these children to death himself by puncturing their skulls with a scissors and sucking out their brains during birth. That is Obama’s plan and goal. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have the same murderous intent in their hearts. His fake grief offends me to the core. I would rather he just sit at his desk and remain “not present.” He is really good at that. I would rather he just leave the country alone.

God help us all.

I’m sure this will renew calls for more “gun control” and repeal of second amendment, Hundreds of shots were fired so the perp had to stop to reload many times and could have been stopped if there was ANYONE SHOOTING BACK.  Our schools have tried the tactic of disarming in the face of lunacy and the results are always tragic. It’s high time we become proactive in the defense of our schools and that means providing a way to DEFEND against a perp like this, and not just run and hide.  This is really what the second amendment is all about, not guns, but the right of people to defend themselves with whatever means are possible.  My heart goes out to the victims.

This was not God’s hand, it was the lack of God’s hand. If we turn our backs, and forget how to call on Him daily then satan steps in to the emptiness. It is not a battle of flesh, but of pricipalities. Someone said, much prayer, much power. Little prayer little power. No prayer, no power against the evil that is eneveloping our nation. Pray and cry out to our Lord for His mercy and Grace, please!  

This pres. has a habit of mispronunciation of words “Corpse men”. Should I go on, you really don’t want me to. I’m trying to be nice.

Our hearts don’t go out to anyone!  We just turn a blind eye to gun laws that promote this and refuse to shout down the nuts that want to disarm the law abiding citizen, allowing the criminal to be armed by default.  We could care less about those 5 year olds because we haven’t moral courage to arm and defend ourselves!   How many lives would that Doctor have saved if he had armed himself and protected Gabby Giffords….and the band plays on. 

God can’t comfort anyone who is a moral coward and refuses to defend himself.

and then… he disciplines Christians for their disobedience.

Glenn Beck, had to put his two cents in. “Don’t worry Glenn, you’ll use this tragedy to make more money off these fools who follow you & hang on your every word.”

We don’t ‘need Jesus’ in our school systems where the teachers don’t know of him anyhow.. We need Jesus in the hearts of our kids, the hearts of our parents, and our Churches. So our kids will do the right thing when confronted with this insanity …. bottomline… we need pastors who study and teach daily and DON’T BEG for money.

That school has a security system and security procedures in place. They probably recognized the guy as he went to school there and his mom taught school there, so he was a familiar face. They just couldn’t screen for crazy.

LAST CONFERENCE DINNER MR OBAMA SPEACK ABOUT SACRIFICE AND PAY  BACK WHATEVER THE CONNECTICUT CITY  REPUBLICANS OPOSED HIM, NOW ARE SILENCED? LIKE MR TRUMP ONE YEAR AGO BY THIS NOT SURE  TO BE KILLED OSAMA BIN LADEN? WATCH OUT! PLEASE!
Obama’s terrorist connections – William Ayershttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxoiZdBSi-gforme is just another prove how an illegal continue  his power struggle to impose terror until lead the world in to the 3rd world war!Is This Obama’s Birth Certificate From Mombasa, Kenya?Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama’s campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records.Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still on-going but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused comment on this matter.LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS – THE MEDIA WON’T!http://socialismisnottheanswer.wordpress.com/2011/02/03/is-this-obamas-birth-certificate-from-mombasa-kenya/#comment-3789via-http://www.rense.com/general92/birthcert.htmthe name is NEW WORLD ORDER! HIS PURPOSE IS TO :to break down the psychological strength of the individual and render him helpless to oppose the dictators of the World OrderTHEY PREPARE THIS SINCE 1921! THE TOOL IS BREACKING TEH FAMILLY CELL AND THIS CAME BY THE GAY LIBERATION AND COMUNISTS  AND LABOUR PARTY S  HEADET IN LONDON!http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/nwotavistockbestkeptsecret.shtmlTavistock Institute originated the mass civilian bombing raids carried out by Roosevelt and Churchill purely as a clinical experiment in mass terror, keeping records of the results as they watched the “guinea pigs” reacting under “controlled laboratory conditions”. All Tavistock and American foundation techniques have a single goal—to break down the psychological strength of the individual and render him helpless to oppose the dictators of the World Order. Any technique which helps to break down the family unit, and family inculcated principles of religion, honor, patriotism and sexual behavior, is used by the Tavistock scientists as weapons of crowd control.DO PEOPLE  PREFFER THE EVIL INSTEAD THE CHRIST!?THE 1776 DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE PROVE US THAT GETTING OUT THE  BIBLE STUDY FROM THE SCHOOLS, THE SOCIETY PAYSA TOO HEAVY PRICE: DOMESTIC VIOLENCE , ABORTIONS, DIVORCES ..THISSAME MODUS OPERANDI  CRISIS AND UNEMPLOYMENT LEADING TO WAR IN ORDER TO FEED ZOMBIE’S ! A.S.OTHRILLER AND MASTER TERROR OBAMA!AMERICA, PLEASE STAND UP FOR YOUR KIDS, FOR THE  LAST  PIECE OF HEAVEN OF LIBERTY, FOR YOUR HOMES AND FOR THE JUSTICE!Obama’s terrorist connections – William Ayershttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxoiZdBSi-g

Jumped right in with the anti-gun thing didn’t they? Fact is if someone had been there with a gun they may have prevented this. They never seem to be able to jump that gap.

Glenn is right – doesn’t matter that it was guns.  This young man purposed evil in his heart and he would have used a pipe bomb, molitov cocktail, his car, or anything else he could have to cause this pain.  Until we address the undercurrent of anger in this country these things will continue to happen, and spectators will continue to spuew angry comments on forums.  Love is the answer.

It doesn’t get any worse than someone choosing to shoot 5 and 6-yr. olds. This is pure evil. There is no other way to describe it. I don’t want to hear people griping about mental health issues and gun control. This person is pure EVIL. It’s a good thing he killed himself because he wouldn’t have lasted the night.
It sounds like the teachers and responders did a great job. As a teacher, we are trained in lockdown. My first year we had to go in lockdown because an estranged father came in the school brandishing a butcher knife.
I can’t even imagine the families that lost their child, or the responders who have to go into the school to identify the bodies, or the children who will undoubtedly have PTSD. This is as horrific as it gets. God bless them all.

It’s despicable, how many of you are saying these kids were killed because of your god…and then saying he is worthy of anything but disgust.

I
went to my Parish today and lit a candle for the victims and their
families. I will agree that this tragic incident is a result of
Progressive Liberalism and perhaps there are some leftists that,
privately, have big Cheshire Cat grins over this. The hatred you
talk about has been festering since the Civil War. If you look back
on the past 40 to 50 years you will see how it picked up speed.
There is plenty of blame from the past to go around. Just for
starters, you have Bull Connor, Sheriff Clark, Orval Faubus, George
Wallace, Richard Russel, Stokely Carmichael, H Rap Brown, Jessie
Jackson, Al Sharpton, Spike Lee, and the list goes on. All Liberal
Democrats. You can’t blame all this hatred on Obama, although I will
agree that he has certainly been pouring gas of encouragement on that
fire. At least the President didn’t start making a political issue
out of it. As I watched his address about the incident I believed he
was sincere in his condolences. I am sure he will give it a few days
before he starts milking this tragic event with his gun control
rhetoric. Gun control or gun prohibition is not the answer. It will
only serve to keep honest people honest and make the streets safer
for the criminals who will not obey any gun laws anyway. The one who
really turned my stomach was Mayor Blomberg. He desecrated the
memory of the victims by jumping in with both feet making political
hay out of this tragic event. You can’t accuse him of letting a
crisis or a tragedy go to waste. He owes the families of the
victims an apology.

You people are all sick and twisted – if your god is real, and is “not pleased” with us, and allows things like this to happen, then he is the most despicable creature in the universe, bar none…

Since the left wing Obama channels have been castigated for jumping to politicization of this sort of thing so immediately, I have noticed that they have generally held off doing it so blatantly today (except for MSNBC). I am betting though, that by next week, they will all be back on the band wagon again, even more demanding of severe regulations, banning semi-automatics, assault rifles – certain types. For the millions who own these weapons, there are only a few who are wackos that do this. How do you prevent it? Require lengthy psychoanalysis of everyone who owns/buys a gun? How likely would someone get caught in that screening process? I doubt it would make any difference.

God help us… where was he today with those kids…..

LORD have mercy on us, we have sinned Lord we ask for forgiveness, heal this nation and helps us seek you O LORD. Amen
 

On March 26, 1998 CNN published an article entitled “School shootings cast shadow on Southern gun culture”.  The article was written in response to school shootings in West Paducah, Kentucky, Pearl, Mississippi, and  Jonesboro, Arkansas.  The article was clearly intended to be an indictment of the Southern culture and aimed as a justification for rigid gun control.  Such shootings never would happen in a northern school because of the superior nature of their society.  Yet, we now have Newtown, Conn.  There will now be a mad scramble to declare Newtown to be an anomaly  They will declare this incident to be caused by the machinations of one or two individuals and the availability of guns in the culture. They certainly will not say that it was caused by any shortcoming of the culture in which they lived. 

Down through the decades the mainstream media have assaulted the culture of the country by demeaning morality and justifying all sorts of lawlessness and perversion. To oppose them is to be intolerant and bigoted.  As it was intended to be, the culture they have imposed on the American public is as vicious and purposeful as it gets.   There is an inclination to call the public to reject the teachings of the mass media.  But the majority of the public are now as one with the media.  Personally I reject this new American culture but I am a member of a minority that grows fewer in number each day.

Well in the original comment the person was referring to President Obama being damned. As for the shooter himself not belonging in heaven that is not for us to decide. That is for the Father to decide. 

We each have free will to do good or to do evil. This man, on his own, chose to do evil. Judging God for the behavior of others is like blaming you for Fast and Furious…

The shooter was excercising the agency God grants to all people, the exercise of which they will be judged by Him. Each person is responsible to God and must report to Him how they used that agency and will be judged accordingly.

God was greeting each of the children as they passed from this world into His domain being freed from the blood and horrors of this world. We weep for them who departed, but we also weep for us who must remain in this Obama and progressive created madness.

Agreed.

The hedge is down.
we slaughter our unborn in heinous, unspeakable, nazi ways
and then are shocked when evil incarnate massacres our children.
“the wicked prowl on every side
when vileness is exalted among the sons of men.”
psalms 12:8

 You simply do not understand God or know how he works. To think that this can be blamed on God, or that most posters here are blaming anything on God, is pure stupidity. This whole nation has turned its back on God, after he has blessed this nation far beyond anything that has ever been placed on this planet before…and in response for that, what did we do and how did we thank him – our people have grabbed-up the blessings and slammed closed the door square in his face. He has been trying to gain our attention, but we are happy enough, simply playing with our new toys and to busy with our important lifestyles. We’ve caused this mayhem on ourselves, indirectly, by turning our backs on God. As long as the majority of our people acknowledged this righteous God, things like this do not happen – as much. But as time went by – the more we booted him out of our lives – don’t think for a moment, that he doesn’t understand what that means – we the people – do not want anything to do with him. God is literally outlawed in the United States of America.

That unfortunate mistake and reckless decision, has forced him to look the other way when evil comes knocking. He is no longer here to protect our people. (not his choice, but our choice) His divine protection has vanished. He no longer will keep this sort of wicked evil from taking place across our land – his hands are tied – until we the people – turn again and acknowledge him.

Those babies, those little innocent children, their blood can be placed directly on all our shoulders, especially those of us who tirelessly work day and night, to destroy his great name, and the rest of us, for allowing his name to become – all but outlawed in the first place – he warned our people long ago, that if we were ever to turn our backs on him, he would also turn his back on us…things will not get any better for our people, until we understand that plain and simple truth.

Guns are not the only way to kill. In both cases below guns were available everywhere with little or no regulation.

The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings
in Bath Township, Michigan, on May 18, 1927, which killed 38 elementary school
children, two teachers, four other adults and the bomber himself; at least 58
people were injured.

June 11, 1964: Cologne school
massacre. Armed with an insecticide sprayer converted into a flamethrower, a
lance and a homebuilt mace, 42-year-old Walter Seifert killed 8 children and severely
burned another 20.

 Now if people would just wake up and find out who is leading this country. It is not the people who founded and built this country. 

God Bless you

Convenient. “being freed from the blood and horrors of this world” pretty sure they would rather be at home and alive right now.

Nice way to bring Obama into this, idiot.

My heart sank when I heard this news.  I pick my kid up form daycare, and it hit home that 20 parents didn’t get to do that tonight.

enough of the rhetoric, lets get some common sense thing to prevent this happen yet again.

Those who have absolutly no knowledge or understanding of God mostly always blame God for not preventing, or causing the bad things to happen in this world. Truth is: satan in partnership with ignorant man introduced evil into this world. gawxxx is right. God had nothing to do with this. “We the people” have allowed this evil to thrive in our society in the name of “tolerance”. When you plant corn seed you get corn, when you plant murder seed you get murder. God’s name always comes up AFTER the tradedy. How many parents or residents of Sandy Hook gave a flying flip about God yesterday. How many children in that school have even been introduced to Jesus ? I’d bet they all know the history and players in Harry Potter’s life, and every no talent like Honey mini bimbo.

In a world where this becomes an insult, where even the thinking  of there may be ANYTHING or just something that may have even just some kind of love for man breaks into a fight… Maybe we already asked for this sadness maybe we got exactly what we beged for…

when I turned on my tv this morning and saw the headlines on CBS saying 27 dead at a school shooting, I gasped. Then when I heard it was on those little babies, and the adults trying to protect them, I cried….I have 2 children, and after I watched for awhile, I called the school, and picked up my children early, so I could see their little faces, and kiss their little cheeks. Something that the parents of the slain children could not do anymore. Something that the children of the slain teachers will never be able to receive again from their mommy or daddy. Please let us all focus on these families, and not try to speculate what God is thinking, or doing. He exists beyond the scope of all of this, and I am sure He wept right along with the parents, and family. Let us focus on loving our brothers, and sisters, and stop this hate speech. Let us all pray, if we are believers in Christ, let us pray for the weeping souls that may be crying out for something right now, and let us pray they open their hearts to God, and ask Him in.

They were not killed because of God, they were killed in defiance of God.  They were killed by those who serve The Liar, The Deceiver, The Murderer From The Beginning.  We invited the Evil.  We do the Evil.  Cast your disgust on those who deserve it:  the perpetrators of this crime, those who aid in the support of legalized killing of children (aka abortion).  Tomorrow 4,000 children will be killed because our laws have been misinterpreted to grant a false permission.

Our Father who art in Heaven
I pray you give strength and endurance,to family and friends in their time of Great Sorrow.
I pray that all those who witnessed the EVIL events of this day,
can erase them from remembrance.
I pray Father you console the broken hearted,and that they can find hope
knowing you have received their loved ones souls for eternity
                                                                                            AMEN.

 And someone with a disturbed mind, influenced by graphic violence in TV and film, can turn fiction into reality. People, we don’t need scientific evidence or data to tell us that watching people being slaughtered in the name of entertainment is influential on some viewers. When are we going to turn it off and demand that our entertainment be reflective of what we want in society?

 You are a very loving person, from the way you write, that fact comes out loud and clear. But, I take issue when you suggest “not try to speculate what God is thinking, or doing” – that is exactly the wrong direction to travel – we -  every one of us, should be more concerned this very minute and for the next quadrillion minutes – what God is thinking and doing…and if we do that….these evil acts of violence will cease to exist. He has emotions just like ours, in fact, it is we, who are created in his image and his likeness. Tears in heaven…are not uncommon…

After a lifetime of being a male whore doing woman every day different woman on every weekend I can still see mankind is ruled by the elite and those who rebal agenst no matter what god you beleave common decency, in a world where we kill man more and more and have babys with woman in the place where we don’t even know our children give ourselfs to our OWN temptation  and for me ignore the word of the son of god who sacrificed his own life with NO sence of even if man can endure but only to his own faith and DARE throw that 1 thing out of our lives the only thing that may save us so we can live in sin!?!?! I understand what that means now, because if we treated eachother like this when the wood is green imagine what we’ll do when the wood had dried up. it’s almost 95% of man that beleaves there is something else after life other than just death but yet we act like you must be a fool to think the such, when even science proves nothing can die still the thought of man has to be to ignore the facts, don’t put a faith in helping and living for others, follow the rulers give to those with great promise…. even here… do you see how this is going in a giant circle? Wouldnt treat your neighbor like yourslef be the only good thing to be put here?? regardless or any religion or faith wouldnt and isnt that what they tell you to do…. Or just keep acting like nothing matters, it’s all just you. Your the only thing in this universe….. Not going to end well my friend I promise….

Actually, in China a few days ago a man tried to do the same thing, but since he didn’t have access to a gun and only had a knife he merely injured the children. Not a single child died that day. So, in reality, if there were gun bans in effect those children wouldn’t have died. 

If there were a gun ban there would be no need for a man with a gun to prevent this. Jump that gap. Also, police officers would still have guns. Probably the stupidest comment I’ve read all year. 

Mentally ill people are not immoral since they can’t understand morality. 

Thank you, and please do not take my words to be flippid about God, but what I am trying to say is that what we do as humans does not surpise the God that made us, even in knowing we would one day sine against Him. He came down to earth, lower than angels, knowing He would die a horrible blameless death, so that we can have a way to heaven. He knew this man’s deeds before the seed was even planted, and that is what I meant by that comment. That comment was about the many people on here trying to explain this man’s exactions and using God’s wrath as the answer. Do you not believe we are Loadicia? (sorry if I mispelled that)… But what I am trying to say is that the only way we can change this country, if we even can, is starting with our own families, and loving our own bretheren. If you are a Christ Like man or woman, then you know all we are called to do is witness and minister and share the loving gospel to the ones searching. Only at our lowest and weakest can we see His strength, correct? God Bless you!!

God didn’t do this He didn’t turn His back on US,We turned Our back on Him. For He Is a Merciful and Forgiving God!

This Is Just Another Ploy To Not “Let A Crisis Go To Waste” To Make The Progressive Regressive Marxist Child LOOK Presidential!for they say he weeps…

The problem is the nut, not the gun. Police should be present in all schools at these entrances – that wasn’t the case here. Yours is the stupidest comment of all time.

God is in every school in the Middle East – oh, wait, that’s not YOUR god, so it doesn’t count, right? God is not outlawed here, stop the victim whine. If what you say is true, then I am responsible for what happened, because I refuse to follow your myth. I resent that, but I’ve come to expect nothing better. The fact that a person in need of mental help combined with a too-easy-to-get gun resulted in a tragedy is so much harder for the religious mind to confront than a simplistic, black or white, god vs. devil outlook. I’m saddened that some take the debate so far from reality. I’m a hunter with two guns who would gladly walk them to a smelter myself if it meant we had gotten rid of guns that were too easy to get. As for god turning his back, if so, then good riddance. He had his chance to do anything productive. 

Tonight there are mothers & fathers who have empty beds and broken hearts and dreams….. 11 days before Christmas….. Put politics aside and pray for these families, it doesn’t matter why this monster did it, or the number or types of guns he used or how many bullets he had…. Pray for the families, Stop the petty arguing about God and why things like this happen right now Pray for these broken families Pray for a loving God to give them comfort and strength Pray that their  sorrow and anguish will be turned to peace and healing  <

I am a hunter with two rifles. I am also the parent of a kinder. I would walk my guns to the smelter myself if we could get real gun control in this country. We need to change the 2nd amendment so it’s clear – no at home ownership of guns. Hunters could keep rifles at clubs, under lock and key. Once the law is in place, start rounding up the guns. We will get them all? Of course not, but we could get most of them – and prevent the vast majority of these tragedies. 

The pointless nature of these kinds of crimes isn’t the focus for the leftists who figure never to waste a crisis. This, and the mall event earlier this week are going to balloon into some renewed crusade on the part of antigun leftwits to keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. They never seem to figure out that only promotes more of these kind of incidents. The more conformity to gun restrictions, the more often there will be no one able to stop the gun criminal.

We can analyze this kind of stuff until doomsday, but truthfully the only way to stop people like these public shooters is to arm some members of the public and train them. Most of us veterans can and would have no problem in dispatching these people, but the gun control types can’t envision anyone being allowed to defend the public when police are not available. They come up with all kinds of twisty-turny logic in their fantasy arguments why responsible people should not be allowed to defend their own lives because they themselves are too fearful to save their own hides or because they have an irrational fear of guns. It’s been proven many times over that there are never any police available when the criminal murdering shooters decide to attack the defenseless, it’s about time someone made the connection that the only way to stop a shooter is to shoot them.

There is no preventing this – only defense against it.

THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GODS, THE GODS DIDNT TELL THE PEOPLE YOU CANT HAVE GUNS IN SCHOOL, THE HUMANS DID, IF 1 MAYBE 2 TEACHERS HAD A GUN CONCIELED ON THEM, THIS SHOOTING WOULDNT OF BEEN THIS BAD, MAYBE 1 OR 2 HUMANS DIE, I BLAME THE STRICT GUN LAWS AND REGULATIONS FOR THIS, IF THEY WERE ALLOUD TO CARRY, THE GUNMAN WOULD NEVER EVEN OF TRIED, THINK ABOUT IT, WOULD YOU TRY? KNOWING THAT POSSIBLY ALL THE TEACHERS MIGHT HAVE A GUN, IT NEVER EVEN WOULD OF HAPPEND.  WE NEED TO BAN ALL THE STRICT GUN LAWS  IN THE COUNTRY THEN AND ONLY THEN WE WILL BE SAFE BECAUSE CRIMINALS WOULDNT KNOW WHETHER OR NOT  YOU HAVE A GUN

I understand and agree that the mind of God sees our actions long before we do, prophecy will attest to that, and part of that, in which, what was written so long ago, had to do with the Laodicean state this nation finds itself in today. I agree with you, that it starts in the family obviously, and the break down of the family unit here in the States can be connected directly to such worthless slaughter as what was witnessed today. The disturbing facts are, that those who loved their children and were responsible parents, fell victim to those who were not. This is gut wrenching and what has lead to this and other similar acts of violence, is a reluctance of our people to acknowledge a Divine Being. Until our God fearing citizens among us, can somehow regain the knowledge of God to the youth in our nation – unfortunately, these murderous acts of violence will continue, so in that sense, that is, not speaking up when we should have, when politicians and non-believers set out to destroy this nation from its core…which is, believing in an Almighty God…we are all somewhat guilty…may God protect you and yours…Z

kookoo!

If the teachers and administrators were proficient in firearm self defense and carried concealed weapons the total might have been 1 or two.  More than likely it would have been zero because the madman was probably a coward and might have stayed home and watched TV.

Man you have much to learn about God and the patience he has suffered through, for our benefit and on our behalf. We turned our back on him – its that cut and dry, and that, after a very long relationship that the greater majority of Americans are completely unaware. We’ve had our chance to do anything productive, to use your own words, but that time has run out.

This myth (as you refer to the All-Powerful All-Mighty God) is about ready to introduce himself to the world and in the very near future, directly due to evil such as what took place today. Hes had it with our people turning our backs on him. His emotions are stressed to the max, because of our people stubbornly turning our backs on him. He has challenged our people for decades now, to PROVE HIM AT HIS WORD – but we are simply too busy with our own lives to give him any time.

Americans do not know or understand their long heritage with God, its thousands of years – not simply a little over 200. You will be educated someday, for now though, keep on showing your complete lack of understanding through the childish words you post.

Get ready to meet your maker…he knows you, unfortunately, you don’t have a clue…sad.

Move to England they already did that. a very smart man George Mason once said “To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them” the 2nd amendment is not about hunters and hunting it is about a free people a free society being able to defend itself against at corrupt and tyranical government banning all guns is not going to remove the evil that is in the hearts of some sick and twisted soul it only means that evil will have an easier time in the world against the weak. If he didn’t have a gun he could have used a kinfe as was done in China were school children were hacked to peices by a mad man, or he could have used other means …. evil is creative…… don’t fall for the take away the evil gun ploy that’s all it is

Where’s Wally Lumpy?

God is not to blame. If you want to blame anyone blame the Devil. He knows his time on the earth is getting shorter and shorter. He is working hard to go after the good people. He wants the good to hate God because he is jealous of God. But one day God will say enough is enough. He will come to judge the living and the dead. And there will be justice. What we need to do until that time comes is pray. Pray that he protects us from sick people like the maniac we heard about all day today. Pray for the families of all those innocent little children that did nothing to deserve dying in such a horrible manner.  All those who don’t believe in God walk in darkness and are never happy. Why? Because they don’t have God in their lives. This has been one terribly sad day.

No time left our season has changed we don’t realize that we are bleeding from our heart’s and yet instead of trying to fix the wound’s and heal there just torn wide open again and again !
Bless the families LORD.

Judging God for the behavior of others is like blaming you for Fast and Furious.… http://youtubeAmericanJobByGoogle.qr.net/jVB4/watch?v=wCTtf5s2HFk

We don’t even know if the weapons he had were gotten legally. The guy was known to be troubled.

The libs channels didn’t stay backed off long. Maddow, Mathews etal. Maddow is on a rant. Finally had to turn it off.

This was pure evil .we all need to pray .i feel great sorrow for all the souls that have suffered today. we all need to not make a political statement from this tragedy and this includes obama!!! keep JESUS in your hearts and minds; we should all look into ourselves and surrender to GOD and his grace and love!!!!!

The latest I heard was that the guns were his mothers. The guy was mentally ill.

The problem is the nut and the fact that he could get hold of a gun. Yesterday, there was a nut in China who went into a school. Due to the gun ban in China he couldn’t get a hold of a gun and instead used a knife as a weapon. Zero children were killed. So, in China there are nuts that don’t pose threats since they can’t get guns. Here we have nuts that kill 20 children. Having police wouldn’t have changed a thing – this man was the son of one of the teachers and so he could have easily said that he was visiting her, which clearly wouldn’t have been suspicious at all. 

Considering that there isn’t a gun ban right now why aren’t there tons of people wielding guns protecting the lives of other law abiding citizens? Oh right – because we live in a civilized society without vigilantes running around. 

Timothy McVeigh didn’t have a gun and he killed 168 people.

Knife attacks  at Chinese schools have gotten to be common place now, where children are killed and wounded. The kids in that latest one were outside and able to escape worse damage.  The availability of black market guns in China is almost non-existent. If guns are outlawed in the US, there will always be easy availability on the black market, so the criminals and nuts will have what they want anyway. It just wouldn’t work in this country.

McVeigh did have a gun when pulled over by a Oklahoma State Trooper Charles M. Hanger. It was in a holster on his waist. Just thought I would point it out to you.

Typical worthless hogwash. Mental Illness + Unrestricted access to guns in the home = How many more? Just couldn’t wait to lecture us about our ‘morality’, could you, Glenn? And your drooling apostles just lap it up. Must be gratifying to have such a high soapbox. Not bad for “entertainment”, but too dim a bulb for “enlightenment”. What a con you’ve pulled. Sleep tight.

Yes, “God” saw fit to allow 20 children’s brains, faces, and hearts to be drilled through by bullets from a gun wielded by a mentally unstable young man because not enough of us follow commandments against eating pork and shellfish. Oh, no, not THOSE “commandments”, the reasonable ones, like not working on Sunday, or is it Saturday? Or is just because there are too many people “asking for handouts from the guv’mint” and not allowing science teachers to teach how people 6000 years ago (which, coincidently, is when of course God created the universe) explained the origin of life on Earth? Not to mention the fact that we won’t mutter the word “God” often enough in public venues to please him. But that’s okay, because “He” has twenty more little angels to serve him now (not to mention the six adult “angels”). Who are the sick ones?

Only true believers allowed to comment. The Great Glenn Beck (and his slavish staff) will tolerate no dissent from his words of wisdom.

20 children dead is like abortion after the fact,  All abortion is wrong (even inside a mother’s womb).

I know, but it is irrelevant – he didn’t use it to kill anyone that day, so why introduce it?

Okay, how about this: Gee, Glenn, you’re absolutely right! It really IS about the soul of a mentally unstable young man and our nation’s lack of commitment to personal responsibility, and nothing to do with having unrestricted access to firearms! I’ve learned my lesson. Can I speak now?

We as a nation should not be surprised that these things happen if we spurn God’s love. When will we learn?

Because of your wording. He did HAVE a gun, he did not USE it. Have means possess, use means operate.

“Timothy McVeigh didn’t have a gun and he killed 168 people.” You don’t think this is understandable? I also didn’t specify what he killed them with either. PICKY-PICKY-PICKY

He did posses a gun, that is fact. They also STOLE guns to fund the making of the bomb that they did use. I was standing outside 16 miles away when that bomb went off, and felt it. So I know a little about it.

I want to party with you dude! You’ve already fried your last brain cell, huh? Time to turn to Jesus, the last resort for the brain dead.

He didn’t kill 168 people with a gun he killed them with a bomb he made. With such wide spread publicity on the matter that made it common knowledge, one need not get all exact and specific with details to make a point in a short sentence. …..
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NOW DON’T MAKE ME COME OVER THERE SONNY!
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LOL!

You have angered Him. You demonstrate inadequate respect by carelessly neglecting to capitalize “G” and “L”. Watch out.

Like I wrote, my issue was with your choice of words. McVeigh did HAVE a gun, it was a 9mm Glock.

Q. What did you do at that point?
A. I looked at the driver’s license and looked at him. Then I instructed him to take both hands, unzip his jacket, and to very slowly move his jacket back.
Q. What was Mr. McVeigh’s response when you told him to do that?
A. He took both hands, he unzipped his jacket, and started slowly pulling it back; and just as he started doing that, he aid, “I have a gun.”
Q. When Mr. McVeigh told you that he had a gun, what did you do?
A. I grabbed for the bulge, and I said, “Put your hands up and turn around.”
Q. Did he comply with your instructions?
A. He did.
Q. What happened then?
A. I removed my pistol from my holster and stuck it to the back of his head.
Q. What did you do after that?
A. I instructed him to walk to the trunk of his automobile.
Q. Where was your gun at that point?
A. It was stuck at the back of his head.
Q. Okay. Did Mr. McVeigh say anything to you as he walked to the back of the automobile?
A. Yes.
Q. What did he say?
A. He said, “My weapon is loaded.”
Q. What was your response?
A. I said, “So is mine.”
Q. What did you do when you got Mr. McVeigh to the back of his car?
A. I instructed him to put his hands on the trunk and to
spread his feet.
Q. Did he comply?
A. Yes, he did.
Q. What did you do then?
A. I then pulled back the jacket, removed the pistol from the holster it was in, and threw it on the shoulder of the roadway.
Q. Did Mr. McVeigh say something to you at this point?
A. Yes, he did.
Q. What?
A. He informed me that he also had another clip and a pouch on his belt.
Q. What is a clip, Officer Hanger?
A. That is a magazine that holds ammunition that fits in the bottom of a automatic weapon which feeds ammunition to the chamber.
Q. And did you find this clip that Mr. McVeigh told you about?
A. Yes.
Q. What did you do with it?
A. I removed it from the pouch and threw it on the shoulder of the road near the weapon.
Q. Did Mr. McVeigh say anything further to you at that time?
A. Yes.
Q. What did he say?
A. He told me that he also had a knife on his belt.
Q. And did you relieve Mr. McVeigh of his knife as well?
A. Yes, I did.
Q. What did you do with that?
A. I also threw it on the shoulder near the other items I had thrown down there.
Q. What did you do next, Officer Hanger?
A. I then patted him down and handcuffed him.
Q. Did you find any other weapons?
A. No.

“God” is omniscient, is “he” not?

Welcome.

 2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and
pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I
hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.I see all the comments here and other places, notice ” my people” in the verse above. How many of God’s people have turned away from His teachings, become like secular people, searing their hearts away from God, to go along with evil in our society? Our hearts hurt for these lives lost, these precious innocent lives, my prayers go out to the families of those lost in this senseless slaughter. But, I also know there are other slaughters that happen everyday, 5 million to be exact, in the Nation! They were not given a name, they have no mother or father to mourn for them, Americans do not mourn their void. They have been given to slaughter only away from eyes to see, they are as precious as each one of those lost today to God. Evil does exist and God’s people who are called by His name..where are you, do we not know for each innocent life than blood is spilled, that life is required? God forgive and help us all!

Of course, “God” aready knew all this would happen. So who could have prevented it? And yet he went ahead and created these twenty little children to have their faces, hearts and brains blown away, to surely drive their parents and family to the brink of insanity with grief, at the hands (actually, GUNS!) of a man he created twenty years ago with an unsound mind, all so his True Convert Glenn Beck could pass on a lesson about personal responsibility. Future generations will be fortunate that the current crop of feeble-minded dolts will have finally been put out to pasture.

“Ah hyuk hyuk!”

How many died as a result of those knife wounds? Zero. How close does one have to get with a knife to injure or kill? Say one foot, at the most. How far away can an average shooter be to injure of kill? Ten feet, at least. How many more people can be killed with a gun in the same amount of time? Does it really have to be spelled out? No, let’s just “pray the gay (and all the “other social problems”) away” and beg “God” to forgive us. And say “His” name as loud and as often as possible. And start taking “personal responsibility”, whatever the connection to this atrocity was supposed to be. When I was a child 40 years ago I never could have believed how many witless cretins would survive into the Twenty-first Century.

So what – it wasn’t important in my comment as it is basically common knowledge and I made my point. You are getting way to picky. McVeigh killed 168 people without a gun…. oooops! I mean without USING a gun. Todd, you are getting too anal retentive.

It’s still much better regulated and the owners are better trained, and there aren’t these assinine “gun fairs” and over-the-counter Walmart firearm sales.

 After it became CLEAR that JAMES HOLMES in RAINBOW, COLORADO was a maniac spawn of the LEFT you heard NO MORE ABOUT IT IN THE PRESS.

Once THIS PERP is unmasked as the undoubted RITALIN-DRUGGED INDIVIDUAL of the PUBLIC SCHOOLS who eventually had to leave school AND his free access to ‘medications’, you will also hear NO MORE ABOUT IT in the LAME-STREAM MEDIA.

has anyone else noticed anything strange about the story from the media?? 20 year old kid who is autistic and shy killed his mom at home over an argument and shot her in the face then took her 2 handguns and a semi rifle that is under her name and are hers? what kinder garden teacher owns these weapons? or would have these weapons while she is taking care of a kid with a suppose mental disorder?? then he goes to her elementary school  finds a way to get inside when all the doors are locked due to thier new security they installed were you see them through a camera and buzz them in by pressing a button to open the door? how he got inside?? then goes to her classroom were she teaches and for no reason kills 20 children and the principal. then kills himself? and he  but then find out it was his brother adam lanza who did it?also had a military outfit and a mask?? how does a 20 year old smart white boy gets hold of a military get up when he does not work and takes 3 deadly weapons from his mom who is a kindergarden teacher? and his dad was reported dead in his home in new jersey by many sources then it turns out he is not dead and that he is alive. then they thought the gunmens name was ryan lanza but it turns out it was his brother and it wasnt his name it was adam lanza? and also adam lanzas girfriend is reported missing and her friend in new jersey?? this is so weird and makes no sense? call me a conspiracy theorist but this is fishy and sounds like the theater shooting. smart white boy who was crazy and akward. how does a 20 year old with problems and no money is able to get through security and pull this off??? were did he learn to shoot a weapon? and has no history of any crimes??

 As a Christian, I couldn’t agree more with this statement.  As a Canadian, I have to say that we are all wondering up here what has happened to the moral compass of America.  American “Christians” seem to spend all of their time spouting angry political vitriol instead of doing what they are supposed to do: being the hands and feet of Jesus.  

I notice a common denominator with the shooters; the children are angry at their parents. The Springfield, Or incident, the student went after his parents, the Portland, Or mall shooting; mom was deceased no dad in the picture, relative who used degradation to make her points had raised the boy.  The shooter Connecticut , shot his mom. He obviously hated her, father was distant. Too many women in charge, need more men to be in charge of the children that will teach them right, teach them with love. Putting people down (something I see a lot of white men do) or telling their sons to find girlfriends — inferring go have sex to release some of that tension is not a man who follows God, we need men to want to learn to be men the way God had intended them to. I had to turn the TV off, all the female reporters were getting on my nerves. When men with manly spirits speak, they report the facts. When women reporter, they are trying to pull people in to feel the emotion, to experience sadness. It is tempting people to hate. People should care, but they don’t need to hate, it doesn’t serve any purpose to hate it just brings people down to a lower level of thinking.
 I have always been fascinated that no one seems to understand the Adam and Eve story. When women or girls ask a man or boy to do something wrong, you tell them no, you don’t go along with what the girl or woman wants. Some people blame god, god doesn’t do bad things to people, why god didn’t prevent it, I don’t know. I do know God gives people many warnings, and they ignore them. There is so much we never hear about the story.

Are you angry with women? If so, can I ask why?

We can only overcome evil with love. We as Christians have been taught that. But I also wonder why as Christians we are so afraid to show who we are. We complain that there is no prayer in our schools or even the Ten Commandments on the walls as there was when we were kids, why are we not out protesting in front of our schools, Supreme Court, White House,etc. to get them back? We out number the atheists 5 to 1. We complain about our cities taking down Nativity scenes, What is stopping every Church and christian home from putting one up in their yards? We complain about the violence on TV, but do you turn those shows off? Actions speak louder that words, it’s about time we Christians let the country know who we are and who is our God is, not just talk about him. It will not help those little babies taken yesterday so tragically, but it might be this evil act that finally motivates us to action, instead of just talk. Hug your babies. Pray for those families who lost loved ones yesterday and DO something good for someone else in their memory. Pray for our Country.

I find that in most off-skew arguments, there is a line of reasoning that says, “It’s not A, it’s B” … when it fact, in many cases, it can be “both A and B”.

Therefore, the two options that Glenn can choose are:

1 — (as he said) “It is not the gun. It is the soul [that is the problem]”

That is skimpy reasoning.

You need to argue why the alternative is not true, namely:

2 — “It is the gun that is wrong, AND it is also the soul that is wrong.”

Glenn, if you merely say “It’s not A, it’s B” — you need to give reasons for discarding the alternative of “It is both A and B that are wrong”.

With skimpy arguments such as yours, the cultural-norms of America’s gun culture are reinforced, with no reasoning for discarding the alternative viable options.

What makes the United States great is that so much of its constitution was founded on ideas that are self evident, whereas gun control was an amendment that is *not self evident*. Rather, it derives from America’s unique history of having to rebel against a foreign king, fight a revolutionary war, and have a wild west where people needed guns to protect themselves. It is cultural. It is not self-evident. It is a need that arose from a specific culture. Is that culture still in existence today? That is how you argue it through. Not with trite throw-away cliches.

It is not self-evident, because many countries such as Australia manage to minimise gun-crimes by strong government regulation. Australia is not burdened by a culture and history where the gun played a major role. Americans need to see the difference between (1) American’s history of gun use, and (2) the self-evident principles that are seen in other countries of the world. What made America great was its foundation on self-evident principles but somewhere in the mix the American’s later added cultural specifics that no longer apply.

Just remember, you can kill a body but you CAN’T kill a soul. A soul lives forever, just in a different state that us humans are not yet privy to. Energy never dies, it just takes on a different form. God bless those little angels.

Thank you again, God Bless you, and your family too. You are so right, I wish Billions more shared our beliefs!! I believe soon we will be called up, and we will see those beautiful children again, running and playing.

Interesting?

BUT, that’s all I am going to say!

He also gave us free agency as a people and it saddens Him  when His children do wrong..His son died on the cross for us..Do you think it was easy for God to witness that?  

The fact is as long as California and New York want to keep watching it, the TV networks will keep running it.

The only thing that can have broad appeal across a nation of 300 million is filth.

This is why, culturally, the only solution is to secede. If we do this, we wouldn’t even have to ban obscenity as the networks would DESIGN material that appeals to Southern Christians instead of secular Yankees.

Worth mentioning the founders banned obscenity and would be VERY upset to think somehow obscenity and pornography gets protected in the 1st amendment which was designed only to protect POLITICAL speech, not blasphemy or obscenity (which many founders voted to ban in their states as they believed it was a state-issue).

in the bible it states to truley find god we must first go away from him. pop quiz to you mr athiest, if you are right if there is no god then i really have nothing to lose. but……what if i am right. got sun screen? your gonna need it

I am writing the day after the incident and after obama politicised this without politicising it with his comments. The issue is not difficult.  The heart of man is continously bent on evil all day long and who can know the depths of it.  Liberals who normally act through emotion will blame inanimate objects instead of evil because then they would have to admit that a devil exists and also GOD.  They cannot go there so they blame spoons for obesity, blame guns for shootings, blame erasers for writing mistakes, and blame tall buildings and the sidewalks below for suicide jumpers.  The are not insane enough to call for the ban on cars because they kill more children than guns but they will if it happens to be an SUV.
The liberal pols use this emotion to call for gun bans because they are control freaks and they certainly don’t want an armed population when the economic crash comes.  The pols on both sides do not want those same angry citizens to come to the conclusion that the pols are a great part of the blame for where we are at.
I have sympathy for the families but more for the dead victims.  I know none of the families just as I don’t know any of the babies (over 40 million since Roe v. Wade) aborted  every day.  I am vexed at the ability for people to be crushed by the death of one group of innocents but not the other.
Liberalism is a mental disorder. This is all that really needs to be said but will not be.

 Consider that the murderer, Adam Lanza aged 20, went about killing children as if he were a robot. Lanza acted as if possessed by a delusion of being in a war, or in a video game. I suspect that further official investigation will reveal that Lanza was on medication, had been abused in some form, and was under treatment for, and having psychotic episodes. Mental illness evaluation and / or treatment with precautionary confinement needs to be made a mandatory part of normal, routine medical care.

Horrible thing, unreserved sympathies to all involved.

Get your guns out of the cupboard.. the Government is coming to collect them soon..

Yeah throw more guns at the situation, that’ll help.
And when a teacher goes nuts ? He could kill this many in under a minute.

You should switch your brain on before the computer.

“Today 20 children were killed by a soul” – the news, never. You forget the true victims because listening to them means that you can only come to 1 conclusion. And that means changing your mind. So instead you choose to harden your mind, blame everything else, you choose to lose compassion for the dead. You choose to disgrace their memory, because you know in your heart that letting everybody have the right to carry an object that is designed only to kill is wrong. And stupid. And leads to this sort of thing. Arguing for guns is choosing to argue against compassion.

All the shooters have bee nheavily doped with psychiatric meds. It’s not the guns, it’s the meds.

You are free to deny God, just like this shooter did. Maybe, if we could get even more God haters in this country, we could have school shootings every day, more hopeless people, and less compassion for everyone. God doesn’t inspire people to be better than what they are anyway, right?

The towers: No more Interest America.   The Pentagon: No more  Wars America.

 I’m just trying to understand you. Are you saying that females make people hate?

It’s a reflection of a violent and dying empire which kills and maims the children of others every day.

By your very argument we should also give up all items that can be used as weapons: cars, trees, vases, chairs, rope, wire and the like. Just give it all up and return to the time of the cavemen who hunted (yes hunted, with weapons) for their food.

Of course we would starve bereft of weapons to hunt game, of carrying and storage items for gathered food (since they could be used as weapons) or die of exposure due to lack of cloths (which can also be used as weapons) 

Think out your own arguments before you claim someone who supports the choice to bear arms is lacking in compassion; one person made the choice to inflict harm and pain on those innocents, ADULTS and CHILDREN BOTH, with a firearm, and at the same time in China one man armed with a knife hurt over 20 children and adults.

Yup. We were NEVER EVER supposed to be an Empire, in the first place.

        I’m limp and lifeless at the loss of life …… and even though I knew none of the victims , their names and faces could have been my grandchildren, my family, a friend . I cry uncontrollably for all of them and find myself praying fervently for Christ’s return. The Bible tells us these are signs of the end times. A great falling away from the truth, no accountability, lawlessness; insensitive to life events and the outcome to others.   My only comforting consolation is I believe they are in a safe and loving place now and forever .   Once upon a time the assailant was one of these innocent children ; what happened to drive this human to become the ” monster ” at the end of his life — GOD may be the only one whoever knows;God have mercy on his soul.

Well said landofaahs, thankyou

 It is our God Jaamuse.  I just think if you have GOD in your life that these would have been averted!

And GOD said, Turn away from me and i will unleash the master of pain and all that is evil.

 Are you talking about McVeigh…using or not using..a gun…your comment isn’t a trick question is it………..relax….just kidding Sandie, I read your exchange with Todd …..is he a cop or a federal prosecutor, wow, don’t tell me you had to go over there….Seriously though, from what I’ve seen on the news, so far, that seems to be where the guns came from – the remaining questions are, where did the ammo come from – what was the amount – where did the bullet proof vest come from and did anyone ask him why he needed it ect These items don’t walk through the door by themselves, obviously the mother cannot be questioned…who knows, maybe she did confront him and it got her killed.

We cannot fathom the type of evil that could walk in to a kindergarten class and massacre all these innocent children. When you have a society of people being brought up with an entitlement mentality and services being cut for those with mental illness, this is the result. May God help those families and the community and may he help us all find a path to healing and love!

Yes he is…

 When you no longer allow God in our schools, when you teach children in school that they are entitled-which takes away their responsibility for self, when those same children get out into real life and realize that everything won’t be handed to them-this is what happens-they feel that they have the right to do any thing they want! How about instead of blaming God, we blame parents who don’t instill values in their children, a government that is reducing programs for the mentally ill, a society that believes that they don’t have to be responsible because it is someone else’s responsibility to provide for them, broken families, etc.

Interesting that they said one of the guns was a .223 rifle, as that is what they found in the trunk of his car. He never took it into the school. He committed his murder with two handguns, what they found on his body.  But, don’t let the facts get in the way of an assult weapons ban.

 There is so much evil in our world. We sing about it, view it for entertainment, kill inconvenient babies in our wombs, worship sex as our god, we let the media tickle our ears with all this evil and then we tell God to get out.   Well He is out.  We have given up the loving protection of the Holy Spirit in all our public places.   All because of one woman who didn’t want prayer in our schools.  Funny how the schools are the places with the highest number of mass killings.  Let’s start a campaign to get the prayers back in the schools.  I am writing to Mike Huchabee  to help us start this campaign.  There are plenty of prayers after a tragedy, let start praying before the tragedies happen.

Since you have all the answers to god, why don’t you tell us why there is so much of this tragic stuff happening.  I would love to hear your take on it

What baffles me is why would the mother buy and keep in her house weapons like that when she knows her son has mental problems? When you look at the last few years of this sort of attack, the shooters turned out to have mental problems. The guy who shot people in that theater was under psychological care. Quite some time ago, there used to be state mental institutions where these people were kept, but most states closed them down and put the people out into the general population where they aren’t monitored or properly cared for. I guess it’s cheaper to do that and risk what happens.

Such a sad event and I
wonder what would have happened if just one or more of the teachers/admin at
the school in Conn. had concealed gun
permits, and weapons, and that the neighborhood knew that was the case.  I
doubt that the coward who entered the school would have done so.  These
types of rouges do not go to places where there is a threat to
them personally!    They go where people are not able to
confront or defend themselves!!

Nations do not shrink from
threats; they arm themselves with armies and leadership.  If they did not do so we would all be
speaking a different language!!  Evil has
always been around us, it just seems to be more prevalent these days, and will
probably increase due to the breakdown of families, communities and nations! 

Time for a quick history/political science lesson. When The Constitution was written, the small states were very afraid of the inherent powers of both the large states and the federal gov’t. They signed the original document on the promise that the Bill of Rights would be added shortly to the basic Constitution.  Ergo, the original reason(s) for the first 10 Amendments were to protect the smaller states from the larger ones, and from Washington.  Ditto for the 2nd Amendment, who’s intent was to protect us, with weaponry, from anticipated abuses of our freedoms from above.  Years ago, an aged Japanese general was asked “after your initial success at Pearl Harbor, why didn’t the imperial high command ever consider attacking the west coast of the U.S.?”  Without hesitation, the answer was “because we knew that all of your citizenry had weapons!”  I look forward with trepidation to the latest round of the “we’ve got to get rid of all our guns” from the lefties.  

I completely feel the same way. I went to DC some years back, and standing in front of the White House, about two hours before sunset the lawn became littered with homeless people. I’m not talking a dozen or so, but literally hundreds, many who obviously had mental health issues. Most had blankets or sleeping bags and felt very comfortable rolling them out, folding back the flaps and proceeded to undress. Some even had jammies – my wife and I, almost forgot where we were, as we stood in stunned silence and disbelief at what we were seeing.

I guess what I’m saying here is, now that the asylums have been shut down throughout the country, sends these nut-jobs where their welcome…1600 Pennsylvania Ave…don’t forget the smores

A night of fun in Michelle’s garden.

You’re being funny aren’t you….was that in the garden or on the garden….there is a difference you know.

Q. were you in the garden
A. no

Q.Were you on the garden
A. no

Q. did you smoke pot with Michelle in the garden
A no

Q. did you have the munchies
A well…yes….we ate the carrots

Q ate carrots
A yes

Q. What else did you eat
A. smores

Q so smores and carrots
A yes

Q where did you eat the smores and carrots
A outside of the garden

Q so you were in the garden
A no

sorry I couldn’t help myself…

I come here and what do I see bigoted people who care more about hurting Christians than standing with people in this hour of need and both side are already politicizing this tragedy before grieving families bury their dead. What in the hell is wrong with you guys children died show some respect. As Christians we go to God for comfort but the bigoted trolls here are making fun of that meanwhile there are people trying to understand why their brother sister or children were killed in this manner. You have the gun grabbers telling us it was the firearms fault that this guy killed but yet none are asking why the guns weren’t locked up or even care that there are families missing love one this Christmas. I am for gun rights but now is not the time to be talking to these trolls that I mention above. Now is the time for grieving not fighting. Now is the time to reach out to these grieving families offer support and let them know you care. Ignore the trolls here today in the memory of these poor children who just went to school to learn and ended up getting killed in cold blood. Evil thing happen in this world because we do not speak out. Our culture turned evil. You see killing glorified in songs and on TV. Our culture is the failure today and reading these posts here just proved it to me.

Air Rifles can kill. So what’s your point ?

Incidentally, not that you’ll care, but Air Rifles are coming under close scrutiny in Britain.

I may be considered one of the aforementioned “trolls”, but I applaud your message Sam.

Good to hear that I just wished people would wait after the victims are buried before we get into it like this. It does not give them honor they deserve. I been threw bomb threats when I was in elementary school tho it didn’t turn out this bad I can still remember the fear in my classmates eyes and just breaks my heart that people don’t come together after something like this.

Sam,
There are different forms of evil in the world we saw the results of one monster yesterday and we see the evil intent of those who would profit from this by destroying rights written down more than 200 years ago the trolls have evil intent weather they bash God or Christians or the 2nd Amendment their goal is clear slavery for all who protest. or speak of being free, what they will never understand is they may enslave the body but they can never enslave the sprit….

After these events, we always hear about arming teachers, or theater goers, or shoppers, but we never hear about any of that actually working. People carry guns in theaters and shopping centers, but when was a mass shooter ever stopped? How many with a gun in their pocket simply run away? There are so many people carrying, legal and otherwise, that you’d think there would be more said about brave heroes stopping the bad guy., Why not? 

It’s easy to say, like Mike Huckabee, that these things happen because we turn away from God, or like you do, because it’s the “End Times.” That’s an easy dodge of real issues. As long as it’s the fault of the godless liberals for taking sanctioned prayer out of schools, we don’t really have to do anything or talk about the tough issues, right?

Their is time and place for everything friend this is not the time. If they can’t see it that way then that is their problem we should know better not to do this right now.

It is not a gun – it is a soul. You’re right in that. However I ask, with a gun you have the potential to kill more that with a club or your fist. Adding to that – with a fist you get hurt as well and you have a feeling when to stop. With a gun you only pull the trigger and you don’t feel the impact as much. Also with a club you have more resistance energy. The deed is the same – the hatred, the lack of self control and twisting of values, it’s the devils making. However as a foreigner from Europe I still think with guns you can do much more damage in a minute and if guns had to be locked up in houses or in special storehouses it wouldn’t be so easy for kids to do so much damage… 

I only wish you were right…

God does not turn His back on this children.  He is saddened when we do not listen to His Word and Obey His laws that He has set before mankind since the beginning.  Sin grieves God’s Heart.  He is always here with us and promises that He will never leave or forsake us.  May God have mercy on this country of ours.  So many have turned away and then have no hope when tragedy strikes as it will in a sinful world.  We must stand together and hold one another during these tragedies.  Please, everyone pray for the victim’s families; friends and co-workers.  Pray because that is the power that God gave us when Jesus left this earth over 2,000 years ago.

We gave ourselves the evil president.  These are choices we have made, not God.  He is still here for those that love Him and come to Him.  He weeps for us . . .  for the conditions we have brought upon ourselves. 

Amen. Also Jesus showed that he is with you in tragedy. God is not distant. He felt the pain on the cross. He died for it and he overcame it. I’m praying with you.

You just described the liberal party Caluwaert! I will never forget how they booed God and Jerusalem at the DNC.

A morally degenerating society, whose youth is raised on an emotional diet of violence,

will continue to produce those in such despair;

to have no regard for human suffering,

nor any value of their own life, or the lives of others.

Condolences from my family to those families afflicted by this terrible event.

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I bet there are some home schooling moms breathing a sigh of relief!

The left will politicize it immediately – strike while the iron is hot – grab the people while emotions are running high and bend them to your will a whole lot easier. Then the right will follow suit to ward off the attempts by the left. You know if the left didn’t run their agenda like this, the right would have nothing to have to defend against.

How can we as people not expect evil to hurt the innocent? That is what evil does, it does not do justice. We allow it in our hearts, lives, families, our homes, and our country. God please forgive us. We are our brother’s keeper, we have been failing at loving each other.

 This short video may explain why the shooting happened – Lanza was in an altercation the day before the shooting, with teachers at that school.

http://xfinity.comcast.net/video/12421187672/lanza_reportedly_in_altercation_at_school_day_before_shooting

http://xfinity.comcast.net/video/12421187672

Doing a little math, our nation would have to suffer through another  -two million incidents – of what happened yesterday, before the numbers are the same as from the hands of the abortionist.

It may seem callus to compare it this way, but what better time than now. If only our people had this same remorse for all our murdered babies.

 I have often thought that the hysteria that results from the kind of tragedy experienced yesterday, while rooted in sincere grief for victims, is also based in the basic human need t…o control things that are completely out of our control. Are there things we can do to keep our children SAFER? Perhaps…but keep them SAFE? No. The world, no matter how we wish to regulate it, legislate its people or control their actions and movements is not a safe place. It was never promised to be and that is what haunts the people clammoring loudly for solutions to problems humans can never totally solve.

So “He” has known for all eternity, since “He” created this universe, the Earth, humanity, this disturbed man, these children, the other victims, that all this would happen. Who the shooter would be, who the victims would be, the reasons for the shooting.

I believe the murderer shot himself so that nobody could see that he wasn’t crazy at all.  I believe he was at war with American Christian people, and that he gave his life in his war against gun ownership.  This gives us more of a reason to acquire even more guns and make sure our children know how to use them as well.  No, I don’t think he was crazy at all.  He had Asperger’s syndrome, a syndrome that is common amongst Ashkenazi jews and their descendants; it has nothing to do with crazy.

The left are to blame for this insane tragedy in Newtown, Ct. My preys go out to the families and community. So sad. The left should pay for what they have caused. Guns are not the CAUSE for this, it’s the godless evil progressive left and their hatred that are responsible for these murders. They should pay. It isn’t the gun(s) but rather the reckless progressive atheist society that is to blame.

IT MAKES EVERYONE UPSET THAT THEY HAVE ALLOWED HOLLYWOOD WITH ALL IT’S VIOLENCE IN OUR SOCIETY TO CONTINUE WITH ALL THEIR VIOLENT AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR, WHOM BY THE WAY, ARE NEVER HELD ACCOUNTABLE. For now, i don’t think it’s a good time to lay blame but know they will attempt to blame everyone (who are pro guns) but themselves. We can’t allow them to escape the blame for this tragedy…

No, HE, has selected to stay out of the affairs of men. HE could easily know, for HE is that all-powerful, its just that HE, decided long ago, not to know.

Does HE understand the human condition, yes HE does. HE even foretells in HIS book, full of books, that the men and women of this world, are at enmity against HIM, that means, we are a hostile people and the greater majority of all humans, do not know HIM because of this hostile attitude.

It is only when a few of these humans, realize this hostile attitude within ourselves and come to God, changing ourselves to something more in line with HIS perfect nature.

HE, also, has testified someplace – “it is appointed for all men, to die once” HE doesn’t distinguish at what age the person would die, but none of us will outlive this dying human body in its physical form, unless we take on the divine nature of CHRIST.

I will add one more thing…this world does not know God…even the vast majority of those who profess they do…that FACT alone…plays a major role, in the horrific murders that routinely take place across this nation.

My heart goes out to those families and the community of Newtown, Ct. The progressive left, this current criminal administration, the criminal unions are to blame for these senseless acts of violence. Guns are not the cause or the problem, it is the hateful progressive atheist communist left that should be held accountable. Hollywood and what has been created there ( violent moves, violent videos games, etc.) and the leftist criminal indoctrination that has damaged our children an the entire society. They must not escape the blame.

Fatuous argument. Guns’ sole purpose is to kill, unlike those other things you mention. That you take that idiotic train of thought only serves to strengthen my point. You are making a definite choice to argue for guns in society. You are making them equal to cars, clothing and vases. That’s beyond idiotic. Yet you are making the choice. That is where your compassion crumbles. And the next time it happens, and it will, you will trot out the same fatuous nonsense.

The definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over in the belief that the result will be different.

It isn’t. The current, outdated, system doesn’t work. And people die because of it. To argue for it is to pour scorn on the memory of the victims. It is to be tacitly complicit in their deaths. If you can continue with that on you conscience, then so be it.

As for bringing up the attack in China – don’t you think that the comparative death-tolls illustrate just how stupid your initial comparison is?

 Ban the Guns, that’s your answer to everything huh?  I’ll bet you I could take out more people with a car or some poison gas then with a gun. Take away the guns and Government has COMPLETE control over you. Is that what you want? because that’s what they (The Government) would love to see happen.

Bottom line – simple solution:

Only reinstatement of Christian prayer and the Ten Commandments in school and government can stop the spiraling downfall of this Country.  It is now clear that God has removed his Grace from America.  It is time for Christians to stop turning the other cheek and start turning over tables.. 

From the beginning Man has been given free agency. This is the case of a person using their free agency horribly. I doubt this was an act of God turning his back on these children. He loves the children and families of those involved. Show a little respect. If your child had died in there, would it sit right hearing someone say it is b/c God turned his back on them?? 

So I’ll just will myself to believe in this God out of fear. And you’re just playing the odds. What medieval rubbish.

Jaamuse, I am a Christian and just know that I do not think that this was God’s will. SO many things happen in this world that are not in his will b/c he gives us free will to do what we chose. This man was sick and had a twisted mind and used his free will to take so many innocent lives. I in no way think God was behind this or was using this as a form of punishment. I do have to agree that there are extremely bad influences in the media in this country for our youth. Songs about murder and rape resonate throughout the airwaves – not good and it does have a powerful effect on our Nations children.  

Don’t take all that others think Christ stands for as what he stands for. Read the scriptures and you’ll find the truth. Christ is love, he would never be behind something like this which is pure evil. I can’t believe there are people who think He is like that and still want to follow him. Please don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater on this one. Christ changed my life and he is so good.

But “He” had an eternity to prepare for it since “He” already knew it was going to happen and “He” willed it. In addition to the fact that “He” was actually sacrificing “Himself”. It’s infantile that you attribute ‘sadness’ to this infinitely powerful being. Does “His” lip start to quiver a little bit? Does “He” get a lump in “His” throat? Or does “He” bawl out loud like a big omnipotent baby?

Dan, I know these guys have good intentions but man. I am a Christian smacking my head saying NO! please, this is crazy talk. I was 19 when I converted from being an atheist to Christian and there was so much fear involved but ten years later, I can tell you, God is love. He loves us all so much. THis was not his will and it is the goodness of God that leads men to repentance not fear. Please, please don’t take these comments as Him.

“we has earned this”~in other words the children deserved to die? That is so awful to say or think.

It’s the answer to THIS problem, It’s more difficult to get access to a car and “poison gas” than to a gun, and obviously a gun is much more lethal than a car. And a car has a practical function.

That’s the issue. Self-serving dolts like Beck diverting attention away from the obvious problem of UNRESTRICTED ACCESS TO FIREARMS in order USE THIS TRAGEDY to chastise our nation. And you people lap it up.

Prayers are bullshit. Politics today.

How sick or stupid you must be.

Yeah, damn those public school kids.

No one ever does anything about it by then and we just let those children die for nothing. Again and again and again. Not this time.

On clouds of cotton candy. How childish.

A gun-totin’ pistol-packin’ Jesus. Only in the idiotic backwaters of America.

AND NONE OF THEM DIED, IDIOT. That’s the point.

So “He” is omniscient, but “He” chooses not to be. “He” knows all, except when we’re going to die. You’re really clutching at straws, aren’t you?

I can just about save a little faith for that, Laura. Thank you.

Who did Christ correct the most during His ministry, those who were sinners, or those who were pointing at the sinners calling them out on their sins (Pharisees, Sadducee, Priests)? It is important as Christians to show love in this world, especially at times like these, not point the finger of scorn and blame. For whose side are you on when you do that? Not Christ’s I’m sure for Christ is love. 

It is a proven FACT that gun control, or a gun ban WILL NEVER work. criminals will always find ways to get them & use them (or any other weapon) against unarmed law abiding citizens, because then they know they can not defend themselves from an attacker.
areas with stricter gun laws have higher crime rates than those that have lesser gun laws. 

 Your absolutely right! We HAVE taken God out of our  schools….and now we want to blame HIM for what happened! What a joke! We need to stop being so damn fragile in worrying about what others think and stand up for our 1st and 2nd amendments! Not only do we need to keep our guns but we need to put and KEEP GOD BACK IN OUR SCHOOLS! Yes…we have asked for this and here it is! And it’s only going to get way worse unless we as American citizens start growing spines and stand up and take our country back to the people!

The first restatement is also correct here, he killed them without a gun.

 God was in the classroom when christians purposely gave blankets infected with the pox  god was in the classroom when they burned women at the stake, god was in the classroom when they had slaves. there was two world wars and god was in the classroom.

Rahm Emanuel once said….’never let a crisis go to waste.’  This Administration has had gun control on its agenda for a long time. Obama claims he wants to take ‘whatever steps necessary to make sure this doesn’t happen again.’ With what? Gun control?  I call that ‘political posturing.’  Wishful thinking….but let’s be realistic….there is no way that anyone …even Obama …can prevent something like this from ever happening again. What happened is an horrific tragedy. What happened was due to a person being ‘sick’ and ‘maladjusted.’ What happened was this person’s behavior went unnoticed? or did it?   Let’s not allow what happened  in Connecticut to turn this into something political.  This is more than going for ‘gun control.’ We need to look at the situation itself. This is more than ‘taking meaningful actions to prevent such shootings.’ We need to look at why kids are resorting to this type of violent behavior?  In this particular case….did his mother not notice anything out of the normal with her son? Did his father have contact with him? Did the family see something brewing? What about the brother and their relationship?   What has changed in our society to bring about such violent actions? Making something illegal will not necessarily stop the action. Guns will always be able to be purchased on the ‘black market.’

Years of liberal indoctrination in our ed. system; self centered unions, violent movies and video games for decades, years of constant change for the worst of our institutions- homosexuals assault on our society has lead to a violent reactions with our children and the youth in general. It ain’t the gun(s) it’s the atheist progressives that are to blame. Go after the socialist, the communist and their indoctrination of our children. Stop Hollywood and the leftist lying media. The left uses gun control tactics on the rest of the country to divert our attention away from their intentional assault of our children. The left are the problem, not guns. Take it to them every time they attempt to disarm us…

True to form, the media and liberal elites are calling for the banning of guns in violation of the 2nd Amendment. What these families need right now is not to have their children’s deaths used for liberal ends. This was the result of a sickened mind and had nothing to do with the means he chose to carry out this deadly act. Gun bans will do nothing more than result in increased violence because criminals will be the only ones carrying them, leaving little to fear from the law abiding public.

If the criminal who carried out this heinous act had killed using a bomb, would we be calling for the abolition of private fertilizer sales? It turns out that, yes, that is exactly what was advocated by liberals following the bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building by Timothy McVey. As if, somehow, the fertilizer and diesel fuel mixed itself and then, also, inexplicably, influenced Timothy McVey to plan and commit the most notorious act of domestic terrorism ever seen in this nation.

In my local school district, we have a courageous school superintendent who went out on a limb and budgeted for the provision of highly trained (to a much higher level than the police), armed security guards in every school. Now, there are proposals to screen, certify and arm teachers who wish to participate. Again, they would also be trained to a higher level than the police. Local law enforcement supports the proposals.

Would there be different outcomes of situations like this if responsible people were carrying arms? Inevitably, yes. It is pure foolishness to believe that preventing good people carrying and using weapons is somehow a pathway to safety. Criminals who fear death go for the easy score, not the one where they have a high chance of dying during the commission of their crimes. Criminals who are suicidal want to make an impression with their final act. Knowing that there is a high chance of dying before they can accomplish their goals may have a deterrent effect, but certainly it is simple reasoning that killing them during the act, no matter how committed they may be is preferable to the calm, unopposed murder of innocents in the sure knowledge that no one can stop them.

The school had only recently installed their security system and it was working just fine. It shows just how worthless any prevention is when the person committing the act is able to circumvent the security from within. He was known to the office and, because his mother was the kindergarten teacher, he was allowed in. He began his killing spree by firing on the principal and the office workers. No one but him had a weapon. Once inside, had a teacher been armed, the chances of him successfully carrying out these loathsome acts would have been lessened, as it is much harder to concentrate when there is a hail of bullets heading your way.

If we are going to be truly honest about what happened, we need to stop concentrating on the means of murder and start focusing on the WHY. Using the reasoning of liberals, why have we not removed cars from the road? They murder more innocents by far than the illicit use of weapons. But no one talks about that fact. And how many of these liberals calling for the ban of weapons are playing Call of Duty tonight?

Liberals would ban God right alongside of guns. How exactly does that work for them? We are wallowing in violence. Our children daily commit murders and acts of violence on large screen TV to the point that they are completely inured to acts of real life violence. Yet, those same liberals scream “censorship” whenever conservatives bring up that fact. You simply cannot have it both ways. Either we figure out the why of it and realize the answer lies in front of our eyes, or we continue the stupidity of believing that it is not the culture of fantasy violence that makes mass murder seem like a viable means to achieve recognition and notoriety, but rather the means by which that notoriety is achieved that is to blame.

Terrorists with box cutters accomplished the murders of more than 3,000 Americans and we all understand that the weapons they chose were not what allowed them to fulfill their desires. Yet, somehow, liberals can’t seem to understand that they are being used by the forces who would see government achieve unlimited power unopposed. They battle to remove the only means of guaranteeing governmental fear of usurpation of power-guns in the hands of the people they wish to subjugate.

May God bless these parents in their unimaginable sorrow and time of need.

ive just noticed something

All these shootings recently all these acts on people’s live are being committed left wingers in left winging areas of the country

all these people have never been taught the values that most all gun supporters have been taught and they all acted independently

all of them don’t really have meaning in their lives

Conservative, gun enthusiast family bred the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre.  

Conservative, gun enthusiast family bred the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre.  

Conservative, gun enthusiast family bred the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre.  

Today is Sunday the 16th of December, perfect day for a Sunday school lesson.

It never ceases to amaze me when big mouth jerks rant their stupidity in front of thousands, perhaps millions, because they cannot seem to fathom truth or rational thought. Then later, when reality is staring them squarely in the face, they are never seen or heard, simply amazing….

… basic bible facts 101…

Roughly 6000 years ago, God created mankind on planet earth. These creatures soon abandoned the very government that would have led to peace and happiness, resulting in all having abundant prosperous lives, full of joy, safety and happiness.

The world ‘could have been’ a virtual utopian society, but mankind thought better of the idea and decided that living under the constraints of Gods perfect law, was too much of a burden, so these creatures, who were made in the image and likeness of the Being who had created them in the first place, decided they knew more about governing themselves than did he and soon, they completely turned their backs on God and the world has paid the heavy price ever since.

It was then, that God made the decision – to stay out of the affairs of men…unless…certain individuals came seeking him out. God has allowed mankind to form his own governments including his own religion(s), meaning, mankind was given the express opportunity to create his own God(s), If at any juncture, they realized the error of their fathers ways before them, and subsequently, their own short comings, taught to them by their fathers, these ‘now-humble’ humans, were at this point in their life, ready to be taught by God himself. The two parties would now enter into an agreement to walk together in peace and harmony. The human would conduct his life from that day forward, under the divine guidance and protection of the perfect living laws of God.

Something this world is yet to discover. That is why these evil incidents are growing in number by the day, not only in the United States, but around the world as well. The god-of-this-world is none other than Satan the Devil himself…but the confessing religious world, stubbornly refuses to prove that little known secret for themselves, and, because of that stubbornness, God will not force them…not yet anyway…to see the error of their thinking.

God is not, not at this time (this day and age)…calling all the world. Contrary to the thinking of modern-day religion, but, it’s true. HE is now, only seeking out those who will make themselves pliable to work with. For the heart in man is desperately wicked, as hard as rock and unable to perceive the thoughts of God.

There will come a day though, when all humans ever born, will receive their chance and have their first opportunity to come to the only knowledge that saves…but for now, this evil world is not the place nor is it the time.

Most, including yourself, will not believe this information, not today, but soon, there will come a day when all humans ever created, will be brought back to life and given a real opportunity to live their lives in accordance to Gods Laws The doctrines of men do not teach this – but the perfect word of God does.

Why is anyone suprised when tragedy strikes a society that, at its foundations, choosing to live by the sword.  That is not a godly nation.  A godly nation is one that leads people to turn their swords into plough sheers.  

It is the soul that causes pain, suffering and death.  However, it is the soul that wields the sword that causes that pain, suffering and death.  Remember, in the days of Israel, there were not many blacksmiths to build them weaponary to fight the war-like Philistines.  And that is how a godly society is constituted.  

Given the guns came from the mothers collection – yes the mother – one can hardly call these the acts of left-wingers.  

 HWA…?

Here is how I see it they had great security in place their only weakness was those glass doors. My idea is we replace these windows with stronger stuff even putting a security lament would of stopped him long enough for the police to get there. people like this kill without reason or logic you think not owning a gun is going to stop him it might of made him more secretive but so was jack the ripper and he didn’t use a gun and still killed a lot of people some investigators think he even traveled here to kill some more. These types of monsters can be patient and instead taken rights away from people who had nothing to do with it. I believe we need to prevent this from ever happening again by reworking the mental health system so it is easier to get these types of people help before the do something evil like this.

In a world that chooses not to live by the laws of God, it is best to keep your weapons handy-locked-and loaded. Americas founders set out with the noble idea of creating – One Nation Under God – unfortunately, it hasn’t turned out that way. Things have gone from bad to worse, the more Gods righteous name is stripped from public conscience. Americans, are now free to do whatever they damn well please, but we have paid a heavy price and the lack of Godly understanding is obviously taking its toll.

Now is not the time to turn our swords into plows, but on the contrary, now is the time to fight this evil from within us, before it overtakes us.

By the way, “the soul that sins shall die” look it up…its in the book that God gave mankind to use for his instruction in right living. The soul is not the spirit in man…the spirit in man is the essence of life…it imparts the ability – to be a little higher than the animal kind…although, you might not know it, after seeing the repeated murders that now, are growing at an alarming rate across this nation. The soul is the flesh…”Nephesh” in the Hebrew…animals are living souls – men are living souls…the difference is the spirit in man, which gives him intellect. BUT…man is not yet complete….there is an additional Spirit needed, to become the ceatures that God had in mind at the beginning of our journey here on the earth.

God will protect the individual – the family – the city – the province – the nation of those who walk in accordance to his law. If none found in the categorizes above know him or live lives acceptable to him, then He will not protect that individual or people…and that is where our nation stands today…we have become a God-less society and are now reaping the nation breaking consequences of our godless actions. 

 Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who
hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world
in arms is not spending money alone

ZERO,

Your name comes up on “watch list” frequently.  Sometimes with friends of mine, other times with opponents.  Ergo, I don’t know much more than that.

However, I’ll make a point to keep an eyw out for you and we can chat sometime?

Purveyor  (Merry Christmas)

I believe the term you are looking for is “spent cartridge?”

Your name comes up with frequency on my “watch list” also.  Sometimes with friends and sometimes with opponents?

We should chat sometime?  

Purveyor

I am not surprised – LOL. I’ll get with you offline via a mutual acquaintance. OK?

I had the occasion to meet Trooper Hanger one afternoon about four years before the bombing – The man has eyes like an eagle. I was on my way to get an expired inspection sticker taken care of, and he spotted it coming toward him with us both doing at least 55mph! He 180′ed and pulled me over. I was absolutely amazed that he saw it, but all went well, we had a little chat and went on our ways. 

Those eyes of his are what caught McVeigh. He spotted the license plate hanging from one screw when McVeigh went past him – again, they were on opposite sides of I-35 – a divided interstate highway. That’s what got him stopped – an improperly mounted license plate. The man has truly astounding visual acuity. 

Orchestrated events like this are the result of the government taking control of the media and trying to justify the police state since the coup, cover up, and “reelected” of Obama. The town was selected based upon the name and the names of those involved are entirely made up. Government has control of all MSM for propaganda purposes now. Learn what’s really going on that the media will not and cannot cover leaked at the whistle next to my name.

God has given us the job of protecting our children and will help if we ask. God only interferes with our natural evil human tendencies with a loving jolt of spiritual conscious warning. We all choose either good or evil. All of us have sinned. We are the problem, not God. He, like loving and responsible parents has given us all the nurturing, power, tools and redemption we need!

Unfortunately for us, if we repeatedly refuse to listen He stops talking. We can then easily lose any virtue or end up with a reprobate mind – a scary and toxic thing to have in a family.What does the Spirit bid you to do?

 Watch list seems to be the point being expressed – looks like I’m on the same list. What do you know, if anything about Purveyor1, I checked out the activity, quite intelligent and crafty…let me know what you find if anything. TCOY

Well, being a veteran and conservative gets us put on lists by the leftists. They love their lists. All you have to do is speak your mind and be against them. It doesn’t seem to take much other than being of a certain age group that can see through their indoctrination plans. They didn’t get a chance to program us – so we go on the list. Believe in a power greater than self – you go on the list; express a thought that doesn’t fit in their little boxes – on the list you go; don’t take their abusive language and attempts to deliver verbal beat-downs, it’s the list for you. All you really have to do is oppose their wrong-headed nonsense and bingo! It’s on the list with you buddy!

I have this to say about lists – let them come. I will not be intimidated or made to act or say what they want me to. I will do what I know is right, and if that bothers some weenies compiling lists somewhere so be it.

I’m not going out of my way to find trouble, but I am not running from anyone – I’ve earned the right to do as I please within the law, and if the listers don’t like that too bad.

I see them doing it everywhere only zoo06 agreed with some of my sentiments. Why aren’t their more? It hurts me to even think about it. Something has to be done one way or the other in order to prevent something like this from happening again. That is something we all can agree on if we don’t do anything than nothing gets done. Like I said we need to rethink mental health and also we need to keep guns away from those people only. Also looking into how to make schools into vaults if the shooter was not able to get into the school in the first place than we would not have so many dead or none at all.

Well, that would be a start. This isn’t “evil”, it’s mental illness.

It’s not the guns. It’s the psychiatric meds. All of the “crazed shooters” were on heavy duty meds, that MAKE them crazier than they already were.

Thanks, Laura. A sane Christian.

It’s psychiatric meds. Not guns. All the “crazed shooters” were loaded on heavy duty psychatric meds. All of ‘em. Ban SHRINKS. Guns are needed to protect the sane FROM the victims of psychiatry.  

When the Christ returns, He wields a Flaming Sword. The Judgement has already been passed. He will simply administer same.
Only a clueless malevolent Commie ignoramus, from the wretched dens of Christ-less urban centers, could make such a moronic, un-educated reply. Go outside and learn. Try not to get Trayvoned. Although you won’t be missed if you do…

You honestly believe mankind is only 6000 years old? That’s rational thought? And what is it you find “simply amazing”? “They are never seen or heard”? What are you talking about?
The last thing I need is another “Sunday school lesson” and “basic bible facts 101″, I had all that rubbish as a child. It all amounts to two words: “Be nice.” Since your education terminated in Sunday school, you can remain in your fantasy world of superstition and fear. Where do people like you live?

Glen Beck, you are a pro-gun. YOU murdered them.

So you don’t believe in mental illness.

“Trayvoned”? You mean shot by a vigilante? You have bizarre delusions of “flaming swords” and Jesus “packing heat”, and I’m a moron, an ignoramus? It’s a shame you don’t believe in medicine, you need some. “Outside”? I’ve seen more of this country than you could possibly have.(Glad to see you corrected your spelling.)

I’ve already got a list with my name on it, titled “honey do” – if for some reason I neglect particular this, my own personal list, there is also another special list my name goes on…I’d prefer staying off that list, it usually entails sleeping on the couch, or maybe in the little house the dog sleeps in, way out in the backyard. So my tool belt is never far away, as I call myself “the master of all trades”.

The government is probably in ultra-overdrive, speaking of lists, old Mr Nick, has a few of his own and Uncle Sam has the mega-computer working OT trying to check everything twice.

Out of curiosity, I did some checking a few minutes ago. Seems the US government has become its own worst enemy. Our officials are past the point of paranoid, they’ve become slobbering idiots. Check out some of the words they are tracking over the net.

plume
cloud
flu
virus
gas
riot
infection
recall
exposure
response
leak
mitigation

So I decided to blow their minds a bit, this will probably activate the horns and buzzers, with red lights blinking.

The other day I felt as if I had an “infection” – turns out I had a “flu” “virus”. The only thing I can “recall” having “exposure” to, was while at the Liberal town hall center, seeking “mitigation” from higher tax’s. I had to “gas” up before I ran out, possibly causing a “riot” in the middle of the street. I’m damn lucky I did, while outside pumping the overpriced petrol, I farted with such ferocity there was a “plume” that reached up to the heavens making one peculiar looking “cloud”.

Hey that’s the best I can do, but it should keep the weenies busy for awhile.

hmmm… I am from Canada, a country which allow same-sex marriage, funds abortions, enforces gun control, doesn’t have school prayer,  etc, etc. and yet has far fewer shooting incidents a schools, malls and movie theaters. Its ridiculous to blame liberalism on the tragic events that unfolded at at Newton.

My heart goes out to everyone touched by this tragedy.  . 

Where do people from the non-believing-world live – oh that’s right Californication, and where do you come off thinking, that everyone who believes in God, thinks the world is only 6000 years old. I never spoke such nonsense, nor does that backward thinking philosophy match what the bible says.

Mankind is, yes, only six thousand years old. Although the age of the earth is most probably, hundreds of millions, if not billions of years old. Life before humans is continually being dug up by archaeologists, proving the earth is much older than what most traditional religions proclaim.

Today DanJosephCurtain, can be “seen and heard” as he roams from one poster to another, spewing his non-biblical propaganda, later though, when Christ returns to the earth, proving his divinity…you will not be seen to be heard, as you’ll be hiding behind the women of your liberal group, thinking, you might not be noticed, by this all-powerful God. Something tells me he’ll remember who you are….just sayin.

 Exactly! And Christ wasn’t nailed to a cross for the fun of it. God sent His beloved son to atone for our sins and most of us don’t even care. That’s sad!

Bull Connor and George Wallace were liberals? Typical of your lot.

One man in Connecticut KILLED (and shot twice or three times each) twenty children and seven adults with “a firearm” (!?). One man in China HURT twenty children with a knife. Are you all so obtuse?

I find it tragic that everyone here has used this to blame the boogieman that they most hate. Left or right, if it fits your agenda use it. I blame the man that pulled the trigger and nobody else. You reap what you sow. What seeds have you been planting?

Well to be fair, the right will use this to push god back into school and the left will push gun control. Niether are good for the country and neither will stop these events. So don’t act like the left is the only ones pushing agendas. 

My heart goes out to the families of the victims

“Where do you come off” thinking that I live in California? What have you got against the 38,000,000 people who do live there? “Where do you come off” thinking that I said that YOU or every Christian thinks the world is 6000 years old? Even when I did believe in the supernatural I couldn’t fully lobotomize myself to that extent, so I know the two are not mutually exclusive. I wrote “You honestly think mankind is only 6000 years old?”, which you have now affirmed that you do. I rest my case.

So you admit then to having a partial lobotomy, now I completely understand where you’re coming from.

On God’s behalf, let me just say that you are a blasphemer and an idiot.  You are so arrogant and filled with hate that you dare to attribute your sickness to our Lord.  Shame on YOU.  There is one sin that is not forgiven.  It’s the one you committed in your despicable little diatribe, here.   You will soon find your sad ass in Hell, right next to the delusional monster who murdered these children.  Burn well.

Oh my, what a stupid thing to post.

No hsit

The indirect reference to “partial lobotomy” was what is called a “metaphor”, and could aptly be applied to one whose education about the planet we live on evidently terminated after Sunday school and “Bible Facts 101″, something which Mr. Beck demonstrates daily.
Congratulations on learning to spell “you’re”; That should impress people.
So what was it that made you think I said you believed that Earth was 6000 years old?

I figure if I’m NOT on a list someplace, I am not doing things right.

Yes, it was.

I’ve a suspicion Glenn Beck will be blamed for this. I just read she was a survivalist, preparing for the economic collapse by stockpiling guns and food. Sounds like she may be a Republican and conservative. Watch your back Glenn!

The political games surrounding this tragedy have only just begun. You guys might be in for a bumpy ride from the left.

It appears you’re doing things right, I feel I’m in good company.

I saw Obama’s speech tonight, looks like the second amendment will become ground zero, even conservative broadcasts are caving in. The common man on the street now has formed his own opinion, this will only serve to divide the nation beyond repair. With nuts like the caliber of last Fridays killer running loose on the streets, the last thing I’ll do is give up my weapons. This thing aint going to end well…what happened last Friday, will be the death of us all, how ironic that some mindless weasel little prick, will in the end, trigger the down fall of the most powerful nation that has ever existed on the face of the earth.

It doesn’t take much to impress you does it. Although you seldom think for yourself, even though you had (past tense)the audacity to see through the false curtain of organized religion, that’s as far as you took it, you didn’t follow through and prove all things for yourself, and now, you’re a miserable human-being having an ax to grind, because someone led you astray when you were a kid. You do not have what it takes to get past your own intelligence, there’s much more to life, than spelling every word right, its the ideas that are behind those words, discovered through truth, something you’re above seeking out, which is your downfall.

Continue banging your head on a cement wall, the only person you’re hurting is yourself. Become enlightened grasshopper…Z

It doesn’t impress me, no, but glancing “threw” a majority of the posts here, it ought to impress most of this lot. It simply indicates how much experience one has reading, and writing.
You sound as if you’re describing yourself. What would make you think that I’m miserable? I have no axe to grind, I’m simply amazed that you and your kind are still around. Thinking for yourself is how you concluded that “mankind is, yes, only six thousand years old”, and that the earth is “hundreds of millions” of years old? Care to guess how long ago the dinosaurs died off? How do you determine “the truth”? A warm fuzzy feeling? Watching “Kung Fu” and Glenn Beck?

 people should arm themselves & store up on food, remember what happened after Katrina?

The only person that is guilty of the crime is the gunman Himself, no one else. our Founding Fathers gave us the right to keep and bear arms for a good reason. If We did not have that right, We would be living under a tyrannical government already.

If you lit a match and that cloud went boom like a bomb (I am sure that one got me on for the 20th time) you would have had the feds there in a jiffy.

Sorry it’s over your head. Try to think harder and see if you can get to it. Clue, kids relatively safe at home being schooled, vs kids in large numbers in a public school building where a nut job like Lanza knows they are there. Come on now, you can do it, can’t you?

McVeigh actually had not license plate on the car. Trooper Hanger was actually headed North when he spotted McVeigh, also going north. According to his testimony during McVeigh’s Trial. http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mcveigh/mcveigharrest.html

Yeah, that much was obvious. You’re saying that every parent who understands that they’re not fully qualified in modern education or have to make a living to support their family is putting their child’s life at risk, and that all the ‘home schooliing moms’ can give themselves a pat on the back. Why stop there? There are a lot of children in churches too, are there not?

Update on Shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School and new ban on guns http://youtu.be/nJSkvKcVX1E

Sure…

I so often find myself engaged with opponents lately, that I tend to overlook the like like minded comments?

Purv

 GOD gave man Free Will, and with that comes consequences

Peace on Earth and Good will to men.  May God’s church arise and His saints multiply.
Through Him, may we give hope to the hopeless and be a light in the midst of the darkness.
May this video give us ALL hope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7670CXvPX0

She clearly was following Glenn’s advice but couldn’t handl the responsibility of  both preparng for doomsday in her comfortable mansion surrouned by harmless wealthy comfortable neighbors. She needed an arsenal to protect her silverware I guess. Too bad she was so reckless with those weapons in a house with a clearly unstable adult child. Too bad she was oozing the paranoia of the doomsday preppers to an already damaged psyche. Too bad she and all those children are dead.

Thanks a lot.

What would make me think that you are a miserable person, let me think….it wouldn’t be all the angry rants throughout the greater majority of your posts would it and how when you were an innocent young lad, religion and everything about a divine spirit, became nothing more than folklore to you. So you’ve been on a quest to prove your case ever since. You deem, anyone not holding the same low opinion of God as yourself, a few notches below your intelligence.

How do you determine a truth, ‘God is truth’ and using his formula in proving truth works every single time. How then would one prove the existence of God, is the better question, is it not…you will never know the answer to that missing piece of the human puzzle, because of your hostile attitude. Nor are you as intellectually gifted as you presume yourself to be.

It becomes laughably obvious from reading these posts that anyone who finds anything Glenn Beck says worthy of note is either not firing on all cylinders or simply uneducated. I’m sure there are intelligent people somewhere who either still reserve some possibility for the existence of God or who really don’t give it much thought either way. I’m quite fascinated with the arcane theories people here are spinning about the causes of this horrific atrocity when the truth is clear to the rest of the world, while we allow the likes of you to keep our education at a third-world level. How many of the countries with the best high school math and science scores welcome “God” in their schools, and how many massacres have taken place in those countries? Some day such people worldwide will die off and future generations will continue unshackled by the tyrrany of superstition. And you assume far too much about me. I know categorically how intellectually gifted I am, and I had wonderful experiences with religious thought as a child. But the absolutely cretinous bullshit on this site demands to be challenged, and I’m more than happy to have stumbled across it.

I understand your confusion and I know you are hurt and angry as all of us. But please consider what I write with an open heart. 

Imagine of you had someone who was special to you, that loved dearly and was a huge part of their life for many years. This special person you shared everything with, you encourage them when they doubted, and corrected them when they were wrong and still loved them when they weren’t happy with you. 

As this special person grew they spent less and less time with you. They hardly called and would give excuse after excuse of why they couldn’t visit this time, but promised they would be there next time. As the years went by you noticed that when they did show up it was to borrow money or they were in trouble again and needed help. You would willing be there for them and try to offer advice on how to avoid problems again, yet all your words fell to the floor with now regard. After 5 years would you continue to provide and love them freely??? After 10 years? How about 25 years? Or would you be hurt and disappointed?

I imagine that you would be very hurt, possibly cus them out, tell them off. Maybe even disown them and anyone would sympathize with you and say you were in your right. But God is more than you and me, He waits longing for us to realize how hurtful we are towards Him and our fellow man and He has every right to punish anyone who thinks it is ok to hurt there fellow man with words, deeds or thoughts.I was wondering why all the fuss? If our God is not real why are you angry. Why does your anger well up and your scream and try to hurt the believer who speaks. Why not walk away? It is no big deal. We can’t brainwash you. You are stronger than that, right? We are just juvenile fools.
Or is it because there might be something more to this? That there are forces at work here that are unseen. I am sure you believe in ghost… or possible aliens… or unexplained scientific phenomenon. Why not angels and demons?The Bible says that God is not slack concerning His PROMISE, as some men wrongly judge of Him; but rather, God doesn’t want anyone to perish in their sins and go to Hell. It is easy to misjudge God, which is why Proverb 3:5-7 tells us not to lean unto our own understanding; but rather, trust in the Lord with all our heart, for He knows all. He knows the way through this Wilderness called LIfe, all we have to do is follow Him and He will keep us safe. How can He keep us safe if we slap His hand away, shut the door in His face and deny He exists. You have a choice. I just pray that before you respond with more hate you would consider what is said here in all these post. We don’t like what is happening but we understand we were given the gift of free will. God would not take that away from us even if one of us chooses to hurt another. This hurts Him to the core but waits to see what we do when our heart breaks. Be assured those precious lives are in heaven like all the aborted babies we kill every day, every year. You cry foul yet you fight for the right to kill babies in the womb. Stand back, forget pride and hurt feelings and ask why. We are always ready to point fingers instead of looking into ourselves and ask what have I done. How have I been selfish and abandoned the next generation because I wanted what I wanted.All I have to say is this. We will all see God in the end, whether we believe or not. I just hope for your sake you are right and I am wrong. If your right I just made the mistake to live my life loving the unlovable and trying to walk right. If your wrong  I shutter to think what you will realize in the end. I hope you consider and investigate it for yourself. That is what I did when I was a  follower of the Democratic party and a believer in free choice. Now I am a follower of Christ and a believer in God.I promise this evil is not over. It will increase to the point we will cry out in desperation. But do not loose hope! God is good on HIs promises. He just knows the heart of man and that some of us need to be pressed hard to be brought to our knees. He is coming! Be assured my brothers and sisters. Be assured!

very interesting article from a swiss comment via “Die Welt” a german news page – worth reading! A different view on things can brighten the horizon.. You can use googletranslator to understand the article. http://www.welt.de/debatte/article112064984/Warum-nur-immer-wieder-Amerika.html

To me the President is all wrong to focus solely on more gun  control of U.S citizens that never broke the law and to lead in a witch hunt that anyone looks a little different or have a different opinion. One major component that obama missing is the respect for the individual and in having different opinions that we are losing in this country !!  In fact obama is stroking the fire in causing division in our nation by  leading his minions and left wing news media in this these type of actions are OK  to falsely (mock,ridicule,taunt,to slight,insult,discourtesy, left handed joke, make a person butt of practical jokes all the times,hidden whispers ,name calling and falsely labeling ,turning the person or group into complete outcast because they’re different,falsely labeling someone as threat at their expense to play the knight role, or falsely to poison minds on a person associates,acquaintances  or group with suspicion  ) To me is just adding on pile of straws until break the camel back ,keep on pushing or tormenting a person or a group into striking back even train soldier  have a breaking point to torments ,harassing and isolation !!!!   Just look at our President obama leading the way in his glaring miss labeling a group like the Tea Party as lawbreakers,violent, as revolutionary calling for forceful overthrow government when it completely false and it’s obama back groups union thugs,and down with wall street & others doing all these thing !!! Yes I think this person greatly over reacted and was wrong ,but our nation is part of the problem too we losing the respect for individual !! Our President obama not helping by dividing us as a nation by class,race,gender,religion,union and non-union etc so he get a block vote and it’s OK to say anything even false if they have different opinions or little different looking,different dreams or agenda for our country  ,we must respect of the individual and his opinions this what our nation is base on not to be in lockstep with dictator President obama or a certain party thinking or policy !!!!  A glaring example of this thing, I think I heard that a congressman said to get rid or kill all conservatives because of their different opinion this the result of belittling a person or group to no value as nothings ,no rights to speak out  just because they have different opinion,view point,or angle in solving our nations problems!! Question to obama who appointed you to be God and progressive Democrats party as the perfect ones never make a mistake and all others be second and third class citizens should not be allow to have a say in their  lives and their government !! ??? As for more gun control just giving muggers,robbers,burglars, bullies a free rein  in using strong arm tactics,knifes,clubs,more power over & against seniors and weaker individuals ,really giving these a thugs free rein in their disrespect to individuals they can do anything with no cost to themselves  if they don’t get caught by the police !!! Now a bullies think they can harass,taunt ,instigate fights ,push,stove ,threaten,push the weaker person or group into the first swing  if no cop around  it bully and his group word against belittle person or group ,then make out the person as the bad one taking the first swing !!! How many times we hear of a bunch of lynch mob thugs going to the place of work or home a person suspected of child molesting because he look different ,the police say to people thinking this way we have nothing on this suspect ,but to group don’t get caught in threatening & roughing him up in getting possible info when he could be perfectly innocent !!  Let face the facts bullies always wants the upper hands because he known if comes down to fights he has the upper hand by his strong arm tactics against weaker person where if bully was subject to same harassment  by weaker person he would be swinging at the first instant or drop of the hat ,not waiting to be push to breaking point of weaker person !!!  Now if people have a right to have fire arms to defend themselves from deadly threats knifes,guns,clubs or breaking into their homes from these bully thugs who want more power and control over weaker people ,they will have to show more respect for people who can harm them just as much they can harm the victim if comes to a fight !!   We must start respecting individual again the right to be a little different ,example  a fat women,etc come into a eating place ,etc,whispers,arm gestures, comments about whales by thin & trim people , hey the woman or person might be fat ,but she not deaf,blind ,and stupid she have the right to be out without being mock !!!! P.S would thin women like or put up comments of her flat chests??  We adding to the problem in isolating and taunting individuals to the breaking point !! Our nation going back in time now as if we have one very good honest,law abiding black citizens in a town he be suspect to any crime in town because he different,be subject to goons lynch mob,or false whisper of suspicion be make an outcast ,then if this very good black person want keep his distance from these lower life forms(any person would) who he is subject of their false whispers of suspicions then they label him as a loner ,don’t mix well or weird !!!  To me this shooter definitely guilty but not in black and white how our nation help create this monster and  our President obama helping creating more of these monsters with dividing our country and you must be member of his group or no good at all !!!!!!!!!!   P.S to me obama calling for more control just a another ruse it not really addressing the problem of being respectful of individual and of mental illness !!!!!

It has become painfully obvious, that our nation has lost its way. Again, what you say, reveals much about who you are. You claim to have stumbled onto this site. On the contrary, you are looking for a fight. If you where as intellectually sound as you presume you are, then what you find here would be considered sound and reasonable thinking, but not to your mind, nothing to you makes any sense, especially, if an unseen invisible God is involved. There lies the problem, of why our nation has slid so far of the proverbial cliff.

Because of this growing lack of belief and faith in God, our nation has suffered the frightening consequence and the situation is growing worse by the day. Broken homes caused by divorce, leaving unattended children in the wake. No guidance from either parent in many cases, leading to the children left alone to their own devices, which in too many cases, leads to 24/7 internet use. Everything from porn, to murder, is then quickly absorbed into the young unchallenged mind and we wonder why are children act more like animals today, than they do human-beings.

Last night, at the memorial for the victims of Fridays horrific massacre, before the President made his remarks, no less than seven, or eight, so-called ministers, representing as many different religious organizations and each of them, supposedly, representing one God, all, had their chance to address the audience.

Today our nation muses over the idea of gun control and mental health issues, when in reality, the biggest and most destructive force hampering and forcing the destruction of our nation, was standing on the stage last night and staring every American squarely in the face , which is, mass religious confusion!

We are supposedly a people who’s motto reads… “One Nation Under God” – in having over 3000 different religious sects in this nation alone, how is that possible, that is insanity at its finest and none of us – or very few of us anyway, ever really slow down to take notice, its business as usual and we wonder why we cannot solve our overwhelming problems.

Again, the very God you refuse to acknowledge to exist, long ago, forewarned our people of these very days, when children would become our oppressors – well here we are, just as the bible declared so long ago, which also proves the infallibility and the reliability of the sacred word of God, found written in the pages of the holy bible and it also proves, the perfect existence of an Almighty Supreme God, but who has time for such nonsense…or whats the word you use…oh yes…superstition.

If our ministers and politicians, could pull their collective heads out of their ass and for once, address this most important issue, verses perpetually arguing over gun control, or mental health, our people would be light-years ahead. We then would be directed into right knowledge, where our people can be trusted to treat each other with high respect and human dignity. Then,and only then, one could build a stack of guns, with as much ammunition to fill a freight train and the worry over anyone using a gun to harm another citizen, would be something of the past.

Until our people come to that realization, that there are not several “gods” – but ONE – our problems will never be solved.

Just think what the difference would have been if one or more of those teachers had had a concealed gun permit and was armed? The Democrats, Obama and others who wish to disarm the Americam people are to blame for those childrens death and should be ashamed of themselves. We should be arming the American People. “A armed American is a free American”

Guess he didn’t forgive those dead kids….Christians are so damn twisted.

Questions if we see a person who torture &  Harass,taunt,poke etc animals that are weaker and under their control ,kept them cage in isolation  turn them mean !!  We call these people sick and in need of help !!!   But a possible starting point of this sickness which this person learn this sickness from others which doctors looks the other way as ( President Bush call them voodoo doctors) is from bullies who using the same methods on weaker and people who are little different to show their control and they are alpha ,when their is no need to, of their un provoke, of their taunts,harassment,threats part of their torture regiments and by whispers ,and other means to isolate this weaker person !! I would consider these people sick to be in needs of treatment they using same components that are present as the sick person miss treating animals ,but on humans !!!!  Only bullies got is a good ground base connections and not push to a breaking point ,but shriving to break the weak person of any connection to the world !!! These bullies could be  the carriers of this sickness just as not badly infected with this deadly sickness as weak person !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????//

 Haha you are funny.

Have you noticed that most of these incidents over the past several years have occurred in blue states?

 The only thing we have to be ashamed about is people who post comments like this. If there was no demand for guns no one would make them. If no one made them crazy freaks like this wouldn’t be able to get them. The killer is the one responsible for this. Easy access to guns just made the outcome a lot worse. If disarming the American public saves 3 lives over 20 years it was time well spent. Constitutions can be amended.

Sign the petition to allow teachers to arm themselves. the link is  http://wh.gov/RJ5d

Sign the petition to allow teachers to arm themselves. The link is  http://wh.gov/RJ5d

Thank you Laura Bell! This wasn’t God’s will and things happen in this world because we are FREE To CHOOSE, whether it be good or evil.

What
people are failing to realize here is that there are two forces at
work: Good AND Evil. Evil things happen to good people, but you cannot
blame God for it, God didn’t do it. Everyone has a free agency to choose
for themselves how they are going to
act, whether it be good or evil. God cannot interfere with that free
agency, he cannot make someone choose good over evil. I do know that God
does protect his people, but when his people are asking him to leave,
like the gentle man he is, he leaves. How can he protect the innocent
when he was asked to leave? God is our protection and we simply cannot
ignore him and deny his existence. When his protection is gone, that is
when Satan is given free rein to do his work. What the focus needs to be
is not condemning people for we all fall short of the glory of God,
what we need to be doing is having compassion for those that do good and
those that do evil. Be his light until the people. While Christ was on
the cross dying, he still forgave and asked his father to “forgive them
for they know not what they do”. Morality and compassion people,
really?
Every
action has a consequence and those consequences can affect the just and
unjust. We have to be careful what we choose. This country has fallen away from God and yes, even the innocent will suffer for those bad
choices. I also agree that the movies and songs our children are listening to and watching aren’t moral. They are evil as well as the games they play. They think murder is fun, they think all this immorality is what’s in. Good has became evil and Evil has became good. Our society is in moral decay and we’ve let our children down by not protecting them from these evils. They are innocent and cannot protect themselves, that responsibility was given to the parents and adults, which we are not doing. Parents are looking to be “best friends” and “cool and hip” … 30 something mothers dressing like slutty teenagers when they should be teaching their children, not acting like one. Television shows that romanticize babies having babies and toddlers dressing like those 30 something sluts and we wonder why there are predators out there looking for little girls? We ARE NOT PROTECTING OUR CHILDREN, that is the bottom line. Believe in God or not, you cannot deny the moral decay, you cannot deny the filth we are feeding our children. No amount of regulations are going to things from happening. No amount of debating the issue. What we all need to do, is stop this filth from entering our homes. Cancel your directTV and internet … teach your children morals and values, teach your children love and charity and compassion. take them to help feed the hungry and veterans, take them to the park and feed the ducks. spend time with them, love them, hug them. kiss them, tell them you love you and how special they are. stop feeding them filth, even from the Disney Channel. Stop it.

And once again we’re back to blaming guns. Yes, the constitution CAN be amended. Good luck with that. I’ll be fighting it every step of the way and I’m not alone. If you don’t like guns, don’t buy one. But you’d better be joining the fight to ban fertilizer, gas, diesel, cars and sharp objects, too. Oh, you better oppose plumbing too because those are used in pipe bombs. It is moronic to the that banning anything will ever stop the determined terrorist. Why didn’t the security measures at the school work? Because there is no way to guard against the enemy within the ranks. Nothing you are proposing would have worked and a couple of pipe bombs could have achieved just as much carnage once he made it into the building. It doesn’t matter to you that disarming good people leaves only criminals with weapons. But let’s use a. Real life example. The Brits have outlawed guns for years and its perfectly safe over there, right? Dd you happen to catch th bombings, burning, riots and terrorism last summer? Or perhaps you are dumb enough to think that the cute accent makes them all friendly. Here’s the reality. London is now the most dangerous city in Europe. The citizens have no protection and only the criminals have weapons. By hey, lots of people who demonstrate just as high an intellectual ability as you feel that they are a kinder, gentler society. Isn’t it nice to feel all fuzzy though?

 I clearly said the killer was to blame and NOT the guns. I agree you cannot stop the lunatics bent on destruction but you can deter them or least not make it easy for them. A while back in Asia a man entered a school with a knife to kill. Luckily he had no guns. A knife can still do the job though.

If nothing else this is another case where a child gets their hands on their parent’s gun to cause harm whether intentionally or by accident. How many times is too many? The cost of guns is outweighing the benefits.

And yes fighting hard against artificial fertilizers, pesticides, diesel, gas and mass car culture thanks for asking. Haven’t joined any crusades against pointy objects yet though but maybe you have something there. I don’t see why a knife can’t cut a carrot with a rounded tip.

Lots of American cities have high crime rates too with plenty of guns around so I’m not sure I see the logic. If there were more guns in London people wouldn’t be rioting? Even if they are rioting I don’t need a gun. I like to think we’ve moved past the days of the wild West.

Lots of people like to talk about faith on this site. Why can’t we simply have faith in our government, police and fire departments to keep us as save as they can? That is the protection we have and they do have guns which is perfectly fine with me. If you think there aren’t enough of them to keep us safe then let’s raise more tax revenue for more officers. If they can’t then it’s a cost of the society we’ve created and we need to work together to better it.

Fuzzy like a warm fleece blanket.

That’s not how I remember it being reported at the time, but if that’s the way it was, so be it. I do remember that he was the same Trooper that stopped me, and I was surprised to see him on TV when McVeigh was being escorted to the jail.

“You’re saying that …” No Dan, You are saying. Don’t put words into my mouth.

 HWA…?

Witnesses claimed they saw it hanging by one screw. By the time he was caught it was off the car.

 Ya for U.S citizens to be completely un arm defenseless what happen when our government run completely amok ??? We have example in Nazi Germany during World War Two to a  civilize nation at that time it can happen again !!!, 6 million Jews  were slaughter especially in Warsaw in Poland had no mean to resist the genocide of men,women,children and other were slain for superior super race ???? Plus obama is acting more like a dictator every day ,dismissing our constitution,over riding the check and balance of our congress with his executive actions,czars,signing agreement with U.N. to dissolve our sovereignty  ,doing away with our rights and freedom to be at his mercy and whims especially with people not in lockstep with his policy !!  We giving our government too much complete power and control with no input from the people with removing safeguards of leader being corrupt by absolute power on a God trip, do as he say ,do not disagree with or else !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  We are repeating the same mistake removing our inalienable rights and protection from a power and control hungry government in every aspect of lives and no one can have a different opinion to the phony savior obama !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We can  have these crazy freaks in government too  to run amok !!! Look what obama doing to our constitution,freedom,rights ,dismissing congress with his regulations,chose what laws to enforce,czars, using the U.N to get around congress,executive actions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are a dangererous fuitcake NavelOrange! 

The way to deal with people who would use their liberty for evil is for us to use like countermeasure, only for good. Right on!

The reason we cannot place our faith in tose entiteies ou mentioned is that they are unreliable in some circumstances. I’ll keep a pistol and a fire extinguisher, thank you very much. I’ll gladly let them assist when they get there, but as for me, I’m not waiting.

a witch hunt 

 I wrote an I-Report on CNN on how I feel about the situation. 

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-898014 

My hearts go out to all the families that were affected by this godless madman.

I am so sorry this happened and at first I was mad at GOD for letting so many of our babies die but after a few days of reflection I realized this is our fault. It’s time we took our nation back before our actions destroy our entire society and  big surprise a gun was used so It’s time to restrict gun use instead of deal with the real issues.  Every democrat loves a good crisis to get their way.

And about as welcomed as one at Christmas?
LOL

Gunman has you in his sites, you ask him to wait till the police arrive to protect you because you can’t have a gun legally. Yeah … ROTFLMAO!

Typical Libtard logic. If a Conservative is pro-gun, he is a muderer for defending the Bill of Rights.

Using that logic, if a Muslim flies a plane into a building, then all Muslims are…

exactly tom, and they’ll need witches to burn

why cant you all just realise that the Guns are the problem and the only reason so many defend is misplaced paranoia and the fact that its a huge money racket. 

The fear = good for business.

why did a middle aged woman in a leafy suburb have those kind of weapons in her possession?

this is just an example of why the guns are the problem.

RIP to everyone affected by this tragedy from Ireland

 She was probably listening to someone on the radio telling her to stockpile weapons to protect her antique furniture from the United Nations

idiotic comment, particularly the last line.

‘But you’d better be joining the fight to ban fertilizer, gas, diesel, cars and sharp objects, too. Oh, you better oppose plumbing too because those are used in pipe bombs’. 

None of those things are primarily used to kill, which is the gun’s primary function.

For the record, there was no bombings or terrorism in Britain during the London riots. To say London is the most dangerous city in europe is laughable also. Iv’e rarely felt safer in a foreign city.

So you can keep spouting your lies, about criminals running riot in London. It is simply not the case. The police protect the people by and large. 

not true at all

Schools should consider using wire reinforced glass at all
entry areas, opting for the ones that have the best clarity.  Also, they could consider using them in all
ground floor windows.  The school doors
were locked in Newtown, CT but the shooter broke the glass and got in.

Have you noticed that mental illness is present in all 50 states and impulsive killings as well as thoroughly planned killings occur without respect to state boundaries? Have you  noticed that fear and paranoia, at least based on the skewed data set of Glenn Beck fans who comment on this website seems solidly entrenched in Red states? What is your theory here to support your anecdotal observation?

And how long did it take you to put together this theory? a vast left wing conspiracy, with the President as leader, to limit the legal purchase of (only slightly) modified Army assault rifles, ammunition stockpiles and perhaps a more thorough background check, etc. is responsible for the deaths of these Children. yes that is exactly why a mentally ill young man,  armed enough to take on ten police officers,blew away his mother and children who were too young to defned themselves.  He wanted to stick it to Obama and show what anyone can do with legally purchased arsenals. Thank goodness we have noted legal scholars and historians like Wayne LaPierre, Ted Nugent and other intellectuals to defend our Second Amendment from any encroachment. 

I have watched very little TV these last several days
because of the “ misery loves company” media. It’s just as bad in the newspaper
and in other social media outlets. People want a knee jerk reaction fix for
everything in this world. There is no easy or quick fix! No one will look at
the whole picture and make the hard changes that are needed. The United States
is in a bad place these days and has been for the last 20 plus years.

Guns killed 8,583 last year. “Motor vehicle
crashes in the United States
result in more than 40,000 deaths per year,” says the Institute in the journal
Injury Prevention. In the USA
alone 435,000 die from smoking related causes. Alcohol kills about 85,000 in
the USA, while illegal drugs
kill about 17,000 and prescription drugs killing about 32,000 each year in the USA. As you can
see, drugs take a lot of lives. I have yet to hear about stricter laws on motor
vehicles, alcohol, or prescription drugs. Let’s not forget the fact that
illegal drugs are banded and they still kill United States citizens. Where is
the outcry and concern from the public on these issues?

The problem is much bigger than
guns. The greatest problem is in the minds and hearts of people today. People
are the problem. When are we, the people, going to point the finger at
ourselves? I have yet to see a protest sign that says, “I’m the problem, let’s
fix it.” What has happened to family values, morals, and principles? Why is it
the only time you see strength in community is after a tragedy? Is it okay to
fill people’s minds with violence in video games, on TV, and in movies? There
hasn’t been any talk to ban or restrict any of those things that leave lasting
impressions on each of us. We have been desensitized as a nation and that is
not okay!

The cold hard truth is…we are the problem.

I have watched very little TV these last several days
because of the “ misery loves company” media. It’s just as bad in the newspaper
and in other social media outlets. People want a knee jerk reaction fix for
everything in this world. There is no easy or quick fix! No one will look at
the whole picture and make the hard changes that are needed. The United States
is in a bad place these days and has been for the last 20 plus years.

Guns killed 8,583 last year. “Motor vehicle
crashes in the United States
result in more than 40,000 deaths per year,” says the Institute in the journal
Injury Prevention. In the USA
alone 435,000 die from smoking related causes. Alcohol kills about 85,000 in
the USA, while illegal drugs
kill about 17,000 and prescription drugs killing about 32,000 each year in the USA. As you can
see, drugs take a lot of lives. I have yet to hear about stricter laws on motor
vehicles, alcohol, or prescription drugs. Let’s not forget the fact that
illegal drugs are banded and they still kill United States citizens. Where is
the outcry and concern from the public on these issues?

The problem is much bigger than
guns. The greatest problem is in the minds and hearts of people today. People
are the problem. When are we, the people, going to point the finger at
ourselves? I have yet to see a protest sign that says, “I’m the problem, let’s
fix it.” What has happened to family values, morals, and principles? Why is it
the only time you see strength in community is after a tragedy? Is it okay to
fill people’s minds with violence in video games, on TV, and in movies? There
hasn’t been any talk to ban or restrict any of those things that leave lasting
impressions on each of us. We have been desensitized as a nation and that is
not okay!

The cold hard truth is…we are the
problem.

I believe in God but not the one who apparently many others believe in….I’m SICK to DEATH of hearing about “God’s Wrath” and these religious zealots constantly blaming “the victims” since “we are all sinners”.  Yea, really, those little kids were deserving of that and God  had these innocent little kids gunned down  by an evil @#%^ard because they’re (we) are such sinners.? The religious fanatics  did the same with hurricane Sandy…blame the victims while they smugly felt exonerated because they were not affected.  These Dudley Do Gooders make me ill;  I think they confuse “God” with Satan himself!

 Where does this paranoia come from? You’re really comparing the US government to Nazi Germany? Nobody in America needs to protect themselves from the government. They are elected officials that we put into office. We live in one of the freest places on Earth.

The Canadian government is far more socialist than the American and their economy is doing better and they don’t keep semi-automatic weapons int their closets.

Freedom is being able to trust those around you and to be able to go about your life as you choose. Living in fear and anger is not freedom. No matter how many guns you might have.

Hopefully some day you can be happy in your own country.

 Yes Sandie, that is the price we pay for freedom to protect our society at large. It’s not about protecting one person. You can never guarantee the safety of one individual. It’s about what is in the best interest of all of us.

Wouldn’t it be great if we could do just that. Unfortunately, when your society is being overrun by violent thugs steeped in the mindset that simply for existence, someone owes them and they’re willing to do anything to take what they want, it is not yet time to “beat swords into plowshares”. This passage refers to a time when war has been overcome. It does not mean we are supposed to act on this while enemies surround us and threats rage on every side. Our society IS too violent, but it is not the violence of defense that is the problem. It is the violence of children brought up with gangsta rap, murders committed daily onscreen and little to no parental involvement. It is not the parents who are training their children in the proper use of firearms that are teaching children to be violent. But it also is not the fault of society, no matter how violent. This was one sick, deranged person who used his association with the school to circumvent their security system. It is not the result of firearm ownership that he decided to murder his mother, authority figures and an entire kindergarten. This type of individual is sick and that illness is what allowed him to overcome a natural aversion to murder, especially the murders of children. So stop trying to place blame on an inanimate object. Had he chosen to use bombs to accomplish what he set out to do, we would still have the left screaming that it is the fault of the “gun mentality” and screaming to remove firearms from the hands of good people even if we have to do it by violent means or in violation of our civil rights guaranteed under the constitution. How do you liberals propose to do this without violence? How do you keep the next thug from obtaining firearms or making bombs or plowing through a group of schoolchildren with a car? How do you overcome the inevitable rise in violent crime committed by thugs in the wake of the removal of firearms in countries that have done this? When criminals have nothing to fear from the victims of their crimes, they become MORE violent and crime increases. Or is it your opinion that they would simply “feel the love” and give up the use of weaponry and take the immortal Rodney King’s advice to just “get along”? The next time that you feel threatened, please follow your OWN advice. Don’t fight. Don’t raise a hand in defense of your family. Don’t judge the criminal; it’s not their fault. It’s the fault of society. If your child becomes a victim of a stalker, don’t send the police or threaten them, try to reason with them and just get along. Remember, the beating of guns into plowshares begins with you…after all, it’s pretty hard for us to believe you if you think that it applies to everyone BUT you. But then again, this is exactly what we have all come to expect from mindless liberals. Look at the Blaze article about Democratic party leaders who are tweeting admonitions to their mindless liberal followers to take up arms and kill the leaders and membership of the NRA. That’s your side, genius, not mine. That is ALWAYS the way of socialists and if you believe that you are a peacemaker for what you believe, you are more foolish than than you will ever know.

 Guns are not the problem, people are.
 who is going to protect us when the police can’t, or even if they turn on us? look back at New Orleans after Katrina.
Adolph Hitler disarmed the German people & look what happened.

And far fewer people as well. Canada is not the US. But we are also not as divided as Canada. Half your country feels that they are citizens of another country and don’t wish to participate in the political process. But also, don’t try to tell us that there are no violent people in Canada. You know that is not the case and so do we. What would stop a person in Canada who decided to carry out this kind of act? Nothing. Just like here. This has nothing to do with Canada’s liberal mindset being superior. Your country is no more equipped to handle the actions of a lunatic than we are.

Where have you seen a single conservative politician use this to call for reinstitution of school prayer? Yet, we have the most liberal president in the history of this country within hours of the tragedy using it to push the liberal agenda. There’s no comparison here and you will never hear what you are claiming.

 If all Americans could come to that same conclusion, it would certainly be, the first step of many needed, in the right direction. Another important statistic you should have added, is the 40 million murdered babies this land has overlooked, from the wicked hands of the abortionist.

I think what the news has accomplished these past few days, is, they have put a face on the victims, rather than quickly fading from our memory, these murdered babies now have an identity, which makes them real to us and harder for us to forget – not one innocent face though, has been seen from among the 40 million aborted, making it easier to place them out of mind.

1 John 5:3 says…”For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments and his commandments are not grievous”

The verse above indicates, that by living without the love of God, life “IS” grievous, and by judging from the chain of school shootings across this nation, our people have grieved  much to often.

Many ministers across the nation, I am more than convinced, will argue that the laws of God were nailed to the cross, if that were true, then why did Jesus say the following, “Think not that I have come to destroy the law (first five books in the bible – also known as – the books of Moses) or the prophets (also found throughout the Old Testament) :I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.” Matthew 5:17

This nation is suffering damaging consequences for ignoring that biblical information. Imagine if all the laws across this land were thrown out tomorrow, there would be absolute uncontrollable chaos  within hours, if not minutes, compare that with keeping obedience  to Gods laws, which give moral direction and purpose. If all our people lived by these basic common-sense laws, crime would decrease dramatically.

Our own American History say they work – for these perfect laws, originated from Gods perfect mind, but far too many among us today, refuse to even acknowledge there is a God. So here we are, banging our heads against a wall, in endless debate, grasping for the answers to this ever increasing violence, that has plagued us, by killing so many of our children at the hand of the mass murderer.

For every cause, there is an effect. By removing God out of the picture, we have invited these evil monsters in.

“My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge” Hosea 4:6 Knowledge found from within the pages of the bible including, the Ten Commandments, they are a very big part of that knowledge…continue…”Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you shall be no priest to me: seeing that you have forgotten the law of your God, I will also forget your children.” Could that, I mean just might that rejection be the problem of why,  our children have become such easy targets?  From college campuses, to high school campuses and now, even elementary campuses?

“Make a chain, for the land is full of bloody crimes, and the city is full of violence.” Ezekiel 7:23 Can that be said about America…yes it absolutely can. Like a chain stretching across this land, from California, all the way across the nation and now to a small elementary school on our east coast. This mindless chain of mass murders, has been horrifically bloody!

Have our problems become unsolvable here in the States, well, just read some of these posts on this site alone, or tune in to any news broadcast today and see for yourself, the ongoing heated debate, on how to solve the national issue, of how to stop Gun Violence in American Schools.

We all know, nothing will come of it. Nothing will change even if the President bans all high powered rifles – it will take at least a year or better, to enact legislation and in that period of time – gun sales will increase ten-fold or more. It simply will not work, not the way we are currently approaching the problem. We need to return to our roots. We need to get back to the basic principles our forefathers, who lived by and included, a heavy reliance on the principles set forth in the Ten Commandments.

Because our religious leadership across this nation teach the contrary to truth, saying that the Commandments are done away, and because our political leadership have placed God on a shelf, only to mention his name when disaster strikes – such as Hurricane Sandy, or the latest mass killings in Connecticut, then its political expedient to mention Gods name in public, but soon afterward, God will be out of sight and out of mind, and business as usual.

At this rate, things are bound to grow worse, long before they get any better. Notice what the next verse says, from the same chapter in Ezekiel, – “Wherefore, I will bring the worst of the heathen, and they shall possess their houses: I will also make the pomp of the strong cease, and their holy places shall be defiled.” verse 24  If we Americans think that we have seen blood and violence now, from the sound of that verse, we aint seen nothing yet.  “Destruction comes, and they shall seek peace, and there shall be none. Mischief shall come upon mischief, and rumor shall be upon rumor; then shall they seek a vision of the prophet; but the law shall perish from the priest and counsel from the ancients.” verses 25-26  The law has already perished from the priest across America and for quite a long time, so long in-fact, that the greater majority of our elderly citizens, no longer possess wise counsel, and why, because there is no law…meaning, long ago,  we have tossed out the nation guiding Ten Commandments that teach us wisdom, leading to a sound mind.

Our elected officials will never find the solution they are seeking, because America, has rejected the Law of Love – the Commandments of God.

The next verse is even more revealing yet, “I will do unto them after their way, according to their deserts, I will judge them; and they shall know that I am the Lord.”

The good news is – Americas problems will be solved and our people will turn to God, the bad news of course, is, what comes between then and now.

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Well, let me see why we can’t have faith in our government…because they have proven repeatedly that government is equipped for one purpose and one purpose only: to remove freedom and gather all power unto itself. Obama simply ignores the law and the constitution when it doesn’t agree with him and states that he is going to take the checks and balances of the constitution and pitch them out the door in order to “get the job done”. If your way is correct, then put up a very large sign on your front lawn addressed to criminals telling them that you disagree with gun ownership and they will not find a single weapon of any kind in your home. Would that result in the “peace and love” you are advocating for the rest of us? Or here’s another real life example for you from this last summer. A freak pulls out a gun on a New York street, kills a former co-worker and walks off. The police are called. Several of them confront the gunman, who then tries to pull the gun. Yes, yes, we know. If guns were illegal, he could never have pulled this off. Uh huh. But I digress. The police, in their zealous pursuit of “protection” kill the gunman, which I am all for. But here’s the problem…they shot NINE innocent bystanders in the process. NOT the gunman, the police. How? Because they don’t even have the training that most CCW holders obtain on their own. The budgets of police departments are limited to practice only when recertification comes up. Most police departments do not have the ammo or the facilities to run their officers through functional simulations, only marksmanship and then, only in limited amounts. And under pressure, too often, those same police shoot and kill more innocents than do the perpetrators of the crimes. This is not the fault of those officers, they simply do not receive the training. Trusting the government is one of the most foolish things we could ever do. It is not paranoia to point out the things that they have done that are specifically designed to usurp power from the people and place it directly into the hands of a centralized, powerful, unstoppable federal force. That you can’t see this (or more likely, refuse to) makes little difference. Your trust will not gain you one iota. You obviously do not understand history. History is rife with examples of governments that had the same initial goals as ours, yet succumbed to the relentless march of evil which never sleeps, yet depends on the slumber of those who would “trust” their government to the bitter end. The Founding Fathers knew this. They had just survived a war in which the very first move of the English oppressors was to make private ownership of weapons illegal. Why? Because they knew that an armed populace was a dangerous populace to a government that wished only to force its will on them with no opposition. That desire is impossible when the populace is armed and willing to fight back. You can live in La-La Land if you want, but you will lose this fight. Your side is not law abiding. They are Occupy Wall Street. They are rape, property crime, murder, viciousness and lawlessness on a scale writ large. The very first thing liberal protestors do is start chanting, “F…. the pigs!!” In every city the OWS thugs infested, police were attacked and thousands of arrests were effected for acts that bordered on terroristic. Yes, that happened at every single OWS protest. It has happened at every liberal protest since the 1960′s and you know it. So stop pretending that liberals are police supporters. If you truly don’t believe that you are one of them, you are more foolish than I could ever possibly believe. That’s about as rich and organic as the human and porcine feces the organic movement claims is so much healthier than pesticides and fertilizer. Did you advocate trusting the government during the Bush years, or were you one of those liberals advocating the overthrow of the Bush government? You want people to trust the government only when the government reflects your views. I’ve never met a single liberal that could field a cogent argument on this subject, especially on guns. I know you despise guns. Fine. Don’t buy one. But when you and your buddies start talking about some incident being the justification for the overthrow of constitutionally guaranteed rights, don’t think it is going to happen. You’ll be opposed in the courts, in the halls of Congress and on the streets. And frankly, I wouldn’t be advocating giving up guns, then trying to skirt the constitution to try to take them away from those who legally own them. But we all know that what your side means is, shoot anyone who disagrees with us, kill their leaders and then, we’ll disarm. Try thinking. But, if you really, truly, passionately believe in the tripe you’re peddling, then put up a sign and declare your commitment to non-violence. I can tell you this; it won’t be legal gun owners that will be visiting you, it will be a criminal who will be laughing as he takes your life. Don’t believe me? Prove it with action. But we all know that will never happen, will it? Why? Because you KNOW what that would invite. Too bad your side never actually suffers the consequences of their own views that they are more than happy to serve up to others.

Please tell me this is not true

James Holmes & Adam Lanza

Robert Holmes, the father of Aurora shooter James Holmes
has been scheduled to testify at the LIBOR hearings. Peter Lanza, father of
Newtown shooter Adam Lanza was also scheduled to testify at the same hearings.
Coincidence, Conspiracy, or Chicago tactics?

It now appears that the person who did this had Autism and other mental issues.  How does a mentally ill person get a hold of a weapon with mass killing capabilities?  Easy if he lives in the USA.  Harder (next to impossible) if he lives in any of the other english speaking democracies in the world.  Here in Canada we turn our eyes away in horror whever we see this happening.  Then we roll our eyes in disbelief as the gun lobby continues their dogmatic campaign to ensure that there are thousands of assult rifles available for the next nutbar to come along.

This only going to stop if we allow schools to arm their staff. The fact is mass shootings are stopped more by private citizens than law enforcement. It is sad that the gun control petition is one of the most popular ones on the white house website. If you believe in freedom, you can sign the petition for arming teachers here  http://wh.gov/RJ5d

Well said. You lot sound more and more like Muslims. They “submit” to god and therefore relinquish themselves of all personal responsibility. 
Ask yourself a simple question, What do you think Jesus would say if you said “hey JC, come and have a look at my machine gun my mum keeps in her bedroom?” 
Do you really believe this would make him happy?
Simple fact, Americans have a problem. 

Noooo. The problem is that it is perfectly acceptable to have a machine gun in your house

So…your loving god would have someone burn for the rest of eternity for the crime of not believing in him? 
Did you say you’re a Christian?

OK, it’s not true. There is no connection that I can find whatsoever and the two men have no ties at all.

I have never wanted to hear Glenn’s voice more than the last few days. I hope the Beck family has a beautiful Christmas, as I will no doubt stay close to mine, but rest assured, I will be counting the days until I can hear his words of wisdom and comfort again. Mr. Beck we need you. 

What kind of a God would make a 7 year old child pay with their life for a nation’s godlessness? Sounds like a complete bastard to me. 

The cross of Jesus could and never would abolish the law of God the Father but rather put it on display in all it’s glory. No one can love God and hate His law. Those that hate the law will never be able to see or understand Jesus. Our hope is not in our performance under the law but rather His flawless one [thankfully]!  All repentant people love God’s law and seek to obey it as the only means of loving Him in return. Have a joyful Christmas!   

what about the disturbed minds who read the bible declare themselves jesus and start a violent cult? what about the disturbed minds that read the bible and hang and burn witches?

 a merciful god who somehow gets mad when we masturbate or kiss another man

You people are idiots. You don’t blame guns but you blame video games and movies? LOL

There is no reason for anyone to own any type of gun other than a bolt-action hunting rifle. This sick childish enjoyment of shooting semi-autos “because it’s my constitutional right, dammit!” is deplorable. Gun owners have time and time again proved themselves irresponsible and incapable of gun safety. Just like the redneck who shot his 8-yr old cousin because he thought she was a skunk. Darwin award.

 And if anyone is “lacking self-control and personal responsibility” like this retard Glenn Beck man says, it’s you pathetic bigoted fools. You’re a disgrace to white race and the GOP, no wonder you are irrelevant.

‘Hitler disarmed the German people’ has no relevance whatsover.
In Ireland we are not armed and we do not ‘fear’ whos going to protect us (protect us from what exactly??).

New Orleans and KAtrina? Any city in the world that experiences a natural disaster and gets no help from government is going to have a problem with looting etc. This is common sense.

Why would the police turn on you? You seem to preparing for some kind of apocalypse based on a large number of whats if’s.

Why not look at this tragedy for what it is. 20 kids murdered. Clearly LAnza was unstable, granted. But someone like that would find it extremely difficult to get access to weapons any other civilized country in the world. You must realize this. Why not look at what happended, get rid of the gun(s) that you own and try and make the best out of what you have in life, rather than waiting around for some ridiculous scenario that might or might not (it wont) happen

Do you like the movie “SAW” or “hostel”? Funny, I can watch “Kill Bill”, and think it’s an awesome action film, yet I cannot watch the previously mentioned movies. Something about someone enjoying the senseless grotesque murder in those movies just bothers me a lot. Like the game Grand Theft, it’s actually possible to play the game with out beating people and running them down, but so many just love that aspect of the game. I don’t believe movies and games make a person bad. Some games have a choice of characters, the good guy or the bad. I never hesitate to be the hero, yet some oddly enough, have the inclination to be the bad guy. My point? It’s the warped brain of the individual, not the movie, not the game. Me and many others were not sheltered in movie or game choices as children. I never wanted to be violent, and I always knew that hurting another person was wrong. So consider mental illness as a factor in all of this. The nutty mom could have very well obtained weapons through illegal means, so that may not have been preventable. I think the kid was smart enough to have put together a homemade bomb just as easily. So could this have really been avoided? Sure, some guns seem a tad excessive for home use, but there are some who see the government as being a future threat (I can’t imagine why), and they just want their rights. It’s easy to say ban the guns, but is it really the answer? I doubt it. You can compare apples to oranges with other countries, many with much smaller populations and different moral standards. This country is different and the solutions are complicated, because no answer is truly a perfect fix. Unlike other countries, and perhaps unlike yourself, we value freedom. To just continue banning things, really seems quite unproductive in the grand scheme of things. When dealing with mental illness, we just don’t have a good answer right now. I prefer education, attempting to increase the odds of survival in these precarious situations. Other than that, I really don’t think there is a real “fix” with out taking rights away from the majority.

This is ridiculous. Thanks for the cute little Tweets, Glenn. YOU SHOULD BE ON THE AIR!!!! I know what you’ll say, “Time with kids and family is more important than anything.” or something to that effect. I know you work your butt off and deserve a vacation, that would be fine if this was a normal Christmas season, BUT IT IS NOT.

YOU decided to go into this business, you excelled at it, and you’ve been rewarded for it as you should be. This is not a normal job. You have a reponsibility to your audience and to America to keep working your job when extraordinary events are happening. GET YOUR BUTT BACK ON THE AIR!!!!!!!

Anti gun groups and politicians have made our all schools perfect killing zones!  Signs announce they are “gun free zones”, so monsters like Lanza can walk in with a weapon and know  there is no one there that can defend themselves.  I heard the poor principal at Sandy Hook was trained to confront the attacker, she did and he killed her and 20+ others.  Signs and laws will not stop or prevent these horrific tragedies, having trained armed personnel would.  God bless all the innocent children and adults who lost their lives due to the ill-logic of the anti-gun movement in this country.    

are we on the same page?

“The Lord was pleased for his righteousness’ sake, to magnify the law and make it glorious”. Isaiah 42:21

To magnify, means to increase in size, so if anything, the law has become even more strict since the cross, I mean, when Jesus himself says, before, it was considered sin when a man had adulterous relations with another woman, but now, to look upon another woman with lust in your heart is considered adultery.

God continues talking about our people (primarily known as the physical descendants of ancient Israel – Americans, Brits and Jews known to God as Jacob)- continue…”but this is a people robbed and plundered, they are all of them trapped in holes and hidden in prisons; they have become a prey with none to rescue, a spoil with none to say, “Restore!”

“Who among you will give ear to this, will attend and listen for the time to come?” – the “time to come” talked about here is the great tribulation or WWIII – “Who gave up Jacob to the spoiler, and Israel to the robbers?” (Israel, is Gods very own church today – these words then, pertain to physical and spiritual Israel)the main question asked here is – [Who did this, who gave up Israel to the spoiler and robber ?]

If more of our people would give ear to this warning, as stated in the verse above, many of us might rethink our current position on what is going on here in the States.

The answer to the question of “who” comes in the following verse’s… “Was it not the Lord, against whom we have sinned, in who’s ways they did not walk and who’s laws they would not obey”

Isaiah 42:21-24

Give your family a warm hug this coming season jwilco, we who love our children may be running out of time to do so. Obama is not for this nation and in a hurry, the hatred for America around the world, has increased a thousand fold…peace…Z

I agree but noticed when you chastised everyone your first and predictable analogy was the dreaded “Redneck”. The unfortunate truth of Gun Crime in mine and your country is it’s mostly carried out by Black people. This is not to excuse the people of other ethnic origins but merely to make sure you don’t have your leftist blinkers on.

You shouldn’t want to see an end to this because of your dislike for who you perceive is causing this. You need to know its just crap whoever’s doing it.

Sooo…you want your children patrolled by armed guards?
How about watch towers?
How about cavity searches?
sniffer dogs?

Keep treating the symptoms and to hell with the disease.
School / Prison who cares? right?

Apparently not. I wasn’t commenting on this page, but this is where the reply went to. Must be something with the system. I tried to link to it, but it black holed the link.

Exactly so. It is just not possible for someone to concentrate while they are under fire and “gun free” zones loudly announce to those of nefarious intent that no opposition will be offered. School districts could very cheaply have teachers or administration trained to levels higher than the average police officer, then field them throughout the school systems at no cost at all. Plenty of teachers would gladly do this. Unarmed, good people have no hope of surviving something like this. They might as well paint targets on children’s foreheads because it is usually not possible to stop a determined person if there is no weaponry available. We need to stop acting like fools and worrying about what it means to place guns in schools. Making more laws and further restricting guns is NOT the answer. All this ever does is put arms in the hands of criminals and guarantees that they will not be stopped. I’m tired of “gun free” zones. All they do is reassure criminals that they will be completely unopposed. How exactly does that help?

I’m going to try to use small words so you’ll understand this. No one is advocating body cavity searches for children. The children are not the problem. He’s talking about guarding the lives of the children. Or would you rather try to reason with a gunman by pleading with him? I suppose that you think that didn’t happen. Or are you one of those fools who think that if we just all hold hands and sing Cum-by-Yah the world will be changed? Thanks for emphasizing the paucity of intelligent reasoning ability of the average liberal. Until you can follow simple reasoning and comment on what was actually the point, you might want to try some of the talk sites for the New York Times. They like liberals low on intelligence and fact and high on testosterone.

Oh Dear. So because the rest of the WORLD can get by without resorting to armed guard in their schools, that isn’t enough reason to make you think the problem might be just a little bit to do with your love for Guns?

Lets say we go down your road and have an armed guard in the school…better still an armed guard with God in his heart. What happens if he has a psychotic episode? He has a gun…what now?

You’re behind the curve with this and badly need to weed yourselves off your addiction. The answer to Debt is not more Debt you’d agree. So how the hell can the answer to Gun atrocities be more Guns?

regarding your attempt at an insult. One of the ugliest things about liberals is they always resort to insults to shut down debate. Congratulations.  

So should we just let poeple walk in the school with guns how many deaths do you think we would have then.

Murders by firearms:

United states: 9,369
mexico: 2,606
Germany: 269
Canada:144
Spain:  97

There is only one country on this list that does not have strict gun laws (United States). How can you look at those number and say we don’t need stricter gun laws. And stop blaming it on TV and Music. The tv and movies in other contries is worst than ours but they still have less deaths by guns. We need to change the gun laws.

Let us turn our backs and face God and His rules only. Follow only His commandments and no other! Now, they are devils who stand behind you. If they grab you around the neck with a hook and throw you to the ground and into a prison, then you can rest assured that your gift from God will be great because you were thrown away for following God! Face the other way!
And what would Jesus say if you told Him that the law said to give them your weapons? He would say, “Is that MY law, or the law of a man? Didn’t I say to follow my Father’s law only? If you follow the law of a man, then you are hearing him. I say listen to me”. That is what He would say.

@ the_independent_truthCollapse, In China, when crazy people go on school children killing rampages, they use machetes, which by the way, is much, MUCH more gruesome.  In the UK, they use box cutters.  In Israel and the Middle East, they use bombs to blow up schools.  In South American, when a crazy person goes on a rampage, he uses a knife.

people have the right to defend them selves from violent attackers. it took six minutes for the police to get there. if any staff member who is licensed and trained to carry a firearm & would’ve been, more lives would have been saved.
When seconds matter, police take minutes to get there, & they are not able to protect every one.
 you probably never heard of police brutality, or even breaking the law?
the problem is the person with the firearm, not the firearm itself. a person has to load it & pull the trigger, you have no idea how many lives have been saved because of firearms.
our founding fathers gave us the right to keep and bear arms for a reason. If you do not like firearms fine, but leave my rights alone.

Why does every anti-gun kook in this country think that rules can prevent weapons from being carried into school on a regular basis? Gun free zones do not stop criminals from entering! There are many guns entering schools on a regular basis. Not the students; the parents. How many of them do you see pulling a gun and shooting up the schools? Get a grip on reality. There is nothing horrifying about guns. There is nothing mystical about guns. Symbolic idiocy will NOT protect children. Automatic weapons are carried by most teachers in Israel every day. How many of them are killing their students? I’ll give you a hint…the answer is ZERO. What if they formed “gun free” zones in Israel tomorrow? According to you, somehow or another, their children would magically be much safer than they were today. Except that is not the case. The security measures in Israel have prevented many murderous attempts on the lives of children by terrorists. The design and security systems at the schools are the first line of defense, but the weapons carried by teachers and administrators are the final defense and it works. Just because someone carries a gun does not make them a criminal and it does not make them of nefarious intent. If you don’t like guns, don’t buy one and don’t carry one. But I am sick to death of you fools who, like that genius of misstatement and unsubstantiated fact, Bob Costas, believe that every home in which a gun is present will, inevitably, experience tragedy from someone inexplicably losing their mind and killing all of their loved ones and anyone else they can find. Where do you people come from? There are simply no facts to back up what you are saying and there is significant fact to refute it. In states that enact gun control, violent crime does not go down. It increases. The criminals do not deescalate when violent opposition is not possible from their victims, they are emboldened. You cannot appease evil with happy thoughts. Evil, however, in most cases, does fear death, and whether the criminal fears death or not, that is exactly what awaits those who choose to use violence against armed foes. What does the criminal have to fear from your solution? Absolutely, unequivocally, NOTHING.

Yes Ling Ling. Our schools are under siege from “box cutting maniacs”. 
Give me a break you sap.
I can send my children to school without the thought of someone trying to kill them even entering my mind.
I can also send my children to school knowing that they don’t NEED to be protected by a gunned up idiot who doesn’t really know how to use the thing. 
Israel is very different but it doesn’t take a genius to understand why – THEY ARE SURROUNDED BY ASSHOLES WHO WANT TO WIPE THEM OUT!

Your argument also suggests it’s better to have your child murdered by Gun than by Knife. Personally (and you can blame in on my lack of faith if you want) I’d rather my child wasn’t killed, end of. 

I found this and thought it was a beautiful tribute.  Maybe you can pass this along Glenn to people that might need it!  It’s called Eden’s Angel  http://youtu.be/wV3Oei24vio

Are you a Panda ?

Yeah, poor little old Israel.

Wot about the US Government on your list ?
The millions of children killed by them over the last 50 years via: bombs ; guns ; torture ; chemicals ; sanctions ; predator drones……… ?

Oh most of them are brown so they don’t count do they.

Anyway back to this horrible story, no citizen has any need to own an automatic weapon. If you like hunting get a shotgun. All you need.

true and how many people died in that rampage…none

Only one thing ever stops these mass murderers. A bullet. Sadly  the world is not gumdrop forests and unicorns riding on rainbows. That is the harsh reality. One problem with gun control, is with it’s presence it will always be the murderers bullet that stops the massacre. That is why they always target these defenseless people in defenseless places. 

Two Bible Stories to Save the 2nd Amendment-
1. Luke 22:35-38
Jesus very own words at the Last Supper upper room, Jesus tells all disciples go the next day and “SELL YOUR GARMENT AND GO OUT AND ALL GET A SWORD”
a SWORD BEING THE EQUAL TO MODERN DAY FIREARMS! Not just the 2 swords they had that night, but 100% OF 11 DISCIPLES to GET A SWORD ie FIREARM.
This is JESUS VERY WORDS clearly supporting the same rights in 2nd Amendment which protects our 1st Amendment.
Without this ORDER FROM JESUS, CHRISTIANITY WOULD LIKELY NOT HAVE SURVIVED, IT ASSURED US THE GOSPELS WOULD BE TOLD.
THESE VERY WORDS FROM JESUS, THE WORD OF GOD, ARE HERE AGAIN TO SAVE OUR FREEDOM AND LIBERTY!!
2. I Samuel 17:40
David & Goliath story, David didn’t use a Sword but used a precursor to the firearm, using a “Sling with 5 smooth stones” a early version of the bullet projectile and he even loaded the “stones in his pouch” which was equal to a modern magazine with 5 shot capacity,
but David easily could have put as much as 15 to 30 stones/rounds in his pouch/magazine for quick reload and fire. He was comfortable in his God’s power to deliver victory and he was confident his skill would not need more than 5 stones/rounds.

And in walked the Nazi

Let me guess, another black muslim with a chip on his shoulder?

He’s clearly laying low because he’s responsible for stirring up paranoid gun buying. Can’t let the UN helicopters come and force you to get your son into therapy. Must have assault weapons.

So if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em, eh ?

Milk bottle coloured Scotsman… (ya sassanach!)
(and most Muslims would struggle to produce my use of colons / semicolons.)

Seemingly with a bit of an identity crisis, on top of the fish supper on my shoulder.

Yes it’s all gods fault….you sicko!

I guess you don’t count the tens of thousands killed by Mexican drug cartels!

If one had God in his heart,  that would rule out psychotic breaks.

what tens of thousands. Even with the drug cartel murder mexico murders still total 2,606

You do understand that there where no guns those days and the bible does not mention guns and there are no bible stories that save the second amendment.

You ever hunt elk with a shotgun? I like shotguns by the way; 12 ga. pump or auto, extended mag and ghost ring sights. Those will no doubt be outlawed too. Semi-automatics are no more deadly than manually operated actions. Full autos are already regulated. Besides the second amendment isn’t about hunting or even general self defense, but rather to keep ones own government respectful of our God given rights. 

Do a little more research!

A bolt gun was Charles Whitman’s first weapon of choice and he used it proficiently. Had he been a gang banger with an AK-47 more people would have escaped! Of course he he fatally stabbed two people and bludgeoned another to death before starting the shooting rampage. A culture the breeds contempt for justice will be a violent one in all respects whatever tools of violence are employed. Where do you stand on the abortion issue? Just asking.  

12,400 in 2011 according towww.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2012/11/mexican-drug-war. Other studies say it is much higher!

12,400 in 2011 according towww.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2012/11/mexican-drug-war. Other studies say it is much higher!

i’m going by 2012

do yours in the correct year

Down 22% since 2011 but still 8530.

Some sources estimate that as many as 60,000
-100,000 have been murdered since the drug wars began. Do those ass-holes respect the gun laws of their country? Hell no! They’re criminals

if you want to use that number still lower than the US.

I don’t go by estimations

8530 by November and is only gang related homicides. This year is much lower than last but still proves a point that one must use other data than a gun murder total. There are a lot more people and a lot more firearms in this country. Per capita we are safer. When you use data you are going to use someones estimations. It is unavoidable.

It’s up to us to make sure that does not happen. All of this politicization of that tragedy is sickening, and the people who are responsible for it all sit on the left side. The NRA is the only organization that showed some restraint and decency by reserving comments until a reasonable period of mourning has passed, but Obama and his crew – the biggest gun criminals in the entire world, (surrepetitiously supplying evil with firearms to push their gun ban agenda with Fast and Furious, and then following that by dumping arms on every rebel in the middle east to support the popular but evil Muslim Brotherhood and other equally as heinous organizations in the Arab Spring – which led directly to Benghazi), they are responsible and hypocrites all in one breath. The mindless drones that follow them are blind to what is really going on.

All we can do is stand fast, and pray that this nasty business takes them out of power.

We can also help assure that this is not swept under the rug – never let them forget that their gun running shenanigans are crimes and being crimes there will be a reckoning for them.

We must insist that they not go un-punished.

Now, that was funny!

That is exactly the problem.

Insisting that they not go unpunished, 25 or 30 years ago would carry weight, in fact, heads would roll, there’s no doubt about that in my mind. Today’s hearings on Benghazi were a farce – Clinton absolutely has dirt on her hands – up to her crooked elbow, but we both know nothing will ever come of it, and the deaths of four Americans will slowly fade away.

The political correctness that has permeated society for several decades, has finally achieved its ultimate goal, which is, the dumbing down of America. Why think for ourselves when one can Google the answer in merely seconds. Case in point, today Bill Whittle (PJTV) discuses American culture of past and present. Ironically, one average American household today, owns as much computer power as the whole world did back in the days when our great nation was sending men to the moon. Imagine if our current liberal trained college educated idiots, had as much eagerness and drive to explore and create. We have become lazy-sluggards and are too preoccupied playing with our new techno-gadgets and partying – Americans do love a good party. Its a national weakness, a mindset that will keep us from ever solving the mystery of Benghazi…its simply not important enough for a majority of our people to keep the story on the front burner. Too bad…but true.

Soon we’ll have forgotten all about it, especially now that Biden is heading the “Gun Violence Task-force” – Something tells me things are about to get ugly and America will have a new set of problems on its hands, making Libya seem tame.

Those are numbers released by the countries themselves to the UN and they are not real. The Mexican cartels kill more than that independent truth. Regardless, each one of those countries has had its own problems. Canada is probably the most accurate, but there are many, many fewer people. It is not gun control, it’s culture. Spain and Mexico have both been ruled by fascists, and continue in that vein. Our government has had tendencies toward that vein at times, but the states’ rights and guns keep the power balance roughly equal. We started off this way. We aren’t about to go back. Another thing you just don’t seem to get is that the people who are committing those gun crimes are not, overwhelmingly, legal gun owners. And before you try to say that this guy was, no…he wasn’t. Your gun control would empower only criminals. You aren’t about to get their guns as law enforcement can’t even keep up with that. Your kind believes that in war, we should just surrender and then the other side will take pity and quit killing. Nope. Hate to tell you this, Pollyanna, but that is not how the world works. Force has to be met with more force. With nothing to fear, criminals don’t stop committing crimes, they commit more and anyone who can think their way out of a paper bag knows the truth of that. It is pure foolishness to believe that violent crime decreases with gun control. It doesn’t and the criminals sure don’t deescalate when law enforcement and weapons in the hands of good people decrease.

There are no numbers for 2012 yet, so those anyone cites for Mexico are wrong..

Those numbers would be a whole lot lower if civilians were allowed to have guns to protect themselves. His numbers for Mexico are way off base.

It needs to be brought up ocassionally, put on a master list of the blunders of the Oblunder Administration.

The Holy Bible does not mention a lot of things.  Just because He doesn’t mention *xyz* doesn’t mean that the Bible is irrelevant.  The Holy Bible doesn’t mention nerve gas, rat poison, bazookas, uzis or the AR-15.  Murdering with any of those things is still murder.

Keep in mind that the Second Amendment does not mention “guns”, either.

 How many people died in Jonestown?

The figures, even if accurate, are way out of context.  What is the rate of death by firearms per 100,000?  Homicides?  Suicides?  How about in those countries that lack the infrastructure to facilitate accurate reporting?

Perhaps other cultures prefer other methods for murder.

I’m a Vegan…
No I’m not really, but neither am I a hunter. I have killed though and would do so again, but I’m a firm believer in only killing a creature if you’re gonna eat it, and utilise it’s remains to the full, respectfully.
I know it’s considered as being tough and macho to shoot a big creature and it probably gives many of you hardons. But Man with Gun vs. Defenceless Animal doesn’t impress me I’m afraid. 
(I’m not making any personal judgement against you here btw.)

If your Government decides to get rid of you I don’t think in this day and age any handheld weapon will save you. I think you’ll more likely need them to protect your families and homes from anyone and everyone, if the socioeconomic trends continue. The same goes for my Country of course and I’d love a gun for the above reason I stated. Not possible here though. There’d still be no need to pretend I’m John Rambo.

“God given rights” ain’t gonna cut the mustard in many arguments!

I’m with you on Hillary. She’s probably the one who issued the stand down orders. Her boss was sleeping, and she knew that her bungling of the security was unraveling so the only solution was to withhold help until the witnesses were dead at the hands of terrorists, then the shredding went into overdrive. This concussion excuse is simply not believable – even the regular media are questioning it at White House briefings. Maybe the old sharks are still in play – there is certainly enough blood in the water.

I think that they are counting on the post boomers to carry on in their ignorance and be happy with that – I wonder what the results will be when the vets among us refuse to let Benghazi go? There’s no reason that the boomer vets should allow them to get away with condemning our people to die to protect the career aspirations of this regime’s more pivotal leaders is there?

Clinton did the delay and dodge over Whitewater, and Vince Foster. Even the Canada Free Press thinks we are seeing a rerun of that;
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/51811

On Mister “The Villages” running the gun ban –
No wonder the original AW ban was such a screwed up mess – Biden was a headliner in that one too. Feinstein is no Einstein either, so what ever they come up with will be a real gem of unconstitutionality I’m sure.

Did you notice they have been using the threat of executive order to accomplish the goal of banning firearms? That will most certainly be Unconstitutional – a direct assault on the Bill of Rights by a sitting President! If that does not warrant impeachment of the imperious leader then there is nothing to stop him. He may as well issue executive orders declaring himself dictator for life and then order the military to start patrolling the streets. Then Obama’s narcissism will be apparent to everyone.

They won’t address the insanity facet of the crimes – that would mean they’d have to admit that Pelosi and Reid are the sociopaths the rest of us know they are.

I think it will remain a task that will be undertaken with pride for many years to come. Patriots everywhere are going to remember this for a long, long, time.

I have a new nickname for Hillary – Concussia. It just sounds so southern belle, which is the picture she wants us to see regarding Benghazi – frail and delicate, unable to cope with, “the vapors”, she gets when something she does comes back to her.

“Why, Mister Congressman, what-evah do you mean by that question? I am surely not going to answer such an un-gentlemanly request! I declare some people are so rude!”

Hence Concussia Rodham Clinton, the Bell of Benghazi-gate.

She will play this until America gives her a pass like they always did in the past. Then she will run in 2016, and she will want us to believe she is the most competent and experienced person to ever lead this great nation. Oh yes, you can bet on it. The power-left always manage to believe their own press, and they think they can get away with bloody murder.

Only if we let them.

Dear GOD. Even worse. 
Hows the gingivitis and alcoholism?

Explain Jim Jones, Adolf Hitler, Stalin, Every Pope there’s ever been. I can go on but I think we both know what your answer will be

Sadly in America, we have a Teachers-Union-Organization who will muster together the troops, forming a vociferous mob and routinely send them off to aggressively force demands on the local school board(s) pushing for better working conditions – pay increase’s, and/or a better and more exclusive benefits package, but never do we see this same disgruntled throng, demanding better security for the helpless children in their care.

Today the NRA spokesman called it what it is…a deliberate lack of security delivered at the expense of our children, by disconcerting politicians who, like the Teachers Unions, care more about their own personal careers, than do they about Americas innocent children.

Think on this…U.S. Annual Foreign Aid amounts to roughly $50 billion per year. We apparently, have billions of dollars just laying around, waiting to be given away to other nations, nations who’s political ambitions are much different from our own. Nations in most cases, who diametrically oppose us in every way, even outright call for our destruction, but these tax-payer-funds, are regularly returned to us, in the form of our solders being brought home in body-bags – Wheres the public outcry for these loyal American patriots, who selflessly, placed their lives on the line for us and the liberalized-federal-government-machine returns the favor, in the same inept, irresponsible way it continues to fail our school children. Why not take those hard earned billions of dollars and use them for the protection of our most precious possession here at home.

Like “Red Butler”…any decent news reporter worth his or her pay..should reply to Madam Concussia: “Frankly my dear I don’t give a damn, cut the crap and just give me the facts” – I’m certain though, that our ever so gracious Mr Butler, would quickly and unceremoniously be escorted to the door, removed out of the briefing room, by use of his shirt-tail and thrust out onto the street.

Funny that you bring up the C-130 incident, I was talking the other day with a friend about that, being caught red-handed in such an outright fabrication is one thing – in fact, a total misrepresentation of the known truth, did she forget there were other members of her entourage, who were absolutely taken by surprise by her unwise comments – did she not think that this would eventually come out, and worse, when the truth finally did come out, she still has the “balls” (and I use that terminology purposely – I think it is probably more accurate than her C-130 story…yeck)…but, for her to even remotely show her face in public afterwords….it speaks volumes with whom we’re dealing with.

The sad thing is…DC is chuck-full of these arrogant idiots, what is even more frightening and beyond words to describe – these people are actually making public policy!

I realize there are still a few (very few) in Washington who won’t let Benghazi-gate slip from the headlines, but the longer we go without certain questions being answered – the harder it will be to obtain the truth. About the only way the truth will come out now, is for the thirty survivors (who were spared certain death by the bravery of the navy seals – they owe their lives to those who were murdered) – so its about time they come forth with the truth. The overwhelming silence of this particular group – not from a few, but from all of them, it shows that there are powers from above forcing their hand, I cannot imagine, not even for one them, going public to give a more detailed account as to what really happened that night.

Do you mean Biden head of the “Village Idiots” – I will certainly agree, Feinstein is no Einstein

That is true, but I was referring to his drunken singing of the commercial jingle for the residential community in Florida known as The Villages. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmRXH7RkCZQ

Just take a gander at this and tell me why he should be responsible for setting limits on any part of The Bill of Rights. This is their lion of Second Amendment intolerance.

Biden and his antics, like we saw during the vice presidential debates and this little ditty, is a national embarrassment.

Well one thing that can be said about the embarking performance, it could have been worse, I’m thinking one more beer, or a few more hits on the bong, would of resulted in the nut doing his gig in the buff. Party on Garth…notice he’s all alone, that’s how the liberal elects get rid of him at the hob-nob social club, in an effort not to be embarrassed by him…tell him there’s a cameraman down by the drink and off he goes…works every time.

I agree. Their silence is deafening. Perhaps they can be persuaded to tell their story, but I think there is some kind of intimidation and coercion going on. What a story that would be if it can be revealed. Maybe they will be subpoenaed by the committees to testify before this is over with.

They’re under orders to remain silent by the State Department. They have to keep their mouths shut.

Are you talking to me [jwilco] or the_independent_truth? He’s the gun control advocate.

 What do you mean by “watch list”? The TSA watch list, or your  own personal “watch list” of posters with comments that intrigue you?

 Ah yes, the liberals world of unicorns and rainbows – no connection to reality.

 Are you an idiot? No need to answer it is obvious.

 Not true. They are 10 times that. Your numbers for Mex don’t include everything. The cartel numbers are far higher than “reported” because they haven’t even been able to identify bodies and in some cases remains are so deteriorated they can’t determine COD. Estimates for those are well over 10,000. There are also missing people who are believed to have been executed, but whose numbers are also excluded. Of course some of this fault lies with the Obama administration for giving them guns, you know  Fast and don’t blame Obama or Holder. The rest of the blame goes to Mexico for not allowing its innocent civilians to posses guns to protect themselves. They would have a fighting chance then not to become victims and  to vanquish the cartels who prey on them.

 You don’t go by facts either.

Armed Police in ever school.  C’mon really.  What other “first” world countries have armed police in schools I had a hard time finding one example.  We are suppose to be a model of freedom…  Also NRA has 4 Million members rough 1.5% of the entire population of the USA, how does they have so much power and influence? 

It seems to me that the NRA really proved that they have no heart and no soul, if they can’t see that this country needs better gun laws.  Extended magazines, semi automatic, piercing ammunition.  why? why? why? do we need them, really.

NRA like the republican party,have proved that they are self serving, with no real public interest.

I think back to when Glenn had that Artist on, and they had a good, open, honest discussion, they disagreed but there was respect.  Thats is what is missing today, where is the discussion all we hear is rhetoric.  blah!

Maybe this country should have a referedum vote on the second ammendment and let the people of the US decide what should happen about gun control….. 

I would like to see Obama try an exec order to ban guns, and another to declare himself dictator! Even the MSM would have to cover that! Then see how long it is before he is placed under arrest and carried off to the nut house where he will await his impeachment proceedings – ooops forgot, none of them left… where would they stash him in the meantime? Would he be confined to the WH with an ankle bracelet? LMAO! I can hear Michelle bitching at him now…. “We are supposed to be going to Hawaii! Now look what you have done. I told you I wouldn’t divorce you if you became president, but now you will get your ass fired, I will get kicked out of this mansion, no mare fancy vacations for me and the girls, no more celebrity parties,… it will be all over.. and you will have disappointed me again!”LMAO!

Ya, they were “ducking bullets as they ran from the plane” LMAO

The MSM kept the lid on it the best they could and the left didn’t care. Can you imagine in a Republican running for VP was caught like that? That video would have been playing 24-7 on all the leftist channels – which are most of them.

 high capacity magazines are more useful in self defense, because they give you more shots at multiple attackers. It takes more than one shot to stop a person in a violent attack. a ten round magazine will only slow you down and more exposed to multiple attackers.
Most People do not even think about how many lives have been saved because of firearms.

“Follow” list. My mistake.

“Intrigue”–good word and appropriate, with a few exceptions of course? LOL Some people deserve to irritated, meaning they don’t necessarily “intrigue” me… (Note: I am quite capable of being irritating!) Ouch! For instance, my new “friend” Peagasae…

Purv

 That’s dead on – no pun intended.

I don’t drink… and I’m only partially ginger.. in fact I’m strawberry blonde – OK !

A round of applause for that great verbal ‘broadside’.

You are an ignorant fool. The reason we have a Constitution is so morons like you can’t come along and make up your own self-interested rules that trample the rights of others around you. The right to self defense is the most basic among all of the rights of man. If you choose to be a victim, that is your right, but deciding that for others – which is what you propose doing by banning law abiding people from having the means to defend themselves in their own hands, is not yours or any one else’s right. 

Your opinion about the NRA is strictly left wing propaganda and the words you spew prove you don’t even know what you are talking about, “Extended magazines, semi automatic, piercing ammunition.”, so admit that you don’t even know what any of that means, it’s just words strung together to generate fear in the uninformed. 

Extended magazines? Where do you want us to draw the line? 
Semi automatic – do you have any idea what that means? 
Piercing ammunition? All ammunition pierces something, that is the basic physics of projectiles. What kind of ammunition meets your approval that would effect stopping a mad man like the one at the heart of this tragedy? 

Too many people like you have the ignorant TV show understanding of the subject of firearms and their use as a legitimate LAST RESORT to foiling the mayhem people like this crazy young man who was the real assault weapon here. It was in his brain that all this incident originated and was planned and carried out. When you have the intellectual honesty to admit that he was the cause of this situation, then you will have to decide how to solve the problem. The solution isn’t banning guns or gun parts or ammunition – it is in effectively identifying the individuals who are a danger to society BEFORE they attack the innocent and defenseless. 

Armed police or some kind of security with the ability to fire upon an assailant and stop them in their tracks is a much better solution once the murderous fire of these asocial criminally insane people has begun. Keeping people who will purchase guns to protect themselves and others is like supporting these criminals by reducing the likelihood that they will encounter resistance when they engage in their deadly schemes. That isn’t solving the problem – it’s accelerating it.

Actually, the deadly force is what is written about in those days. It’s clear if David had been facing Goliath in a more technologically advanced age the outcome would have been the same – it wasn’t the weapon, but the man using it.

“Murdering with any of those things is still murder.”
Just as stopping the murderer with any of those things would still be stopping him.

You are absolutely correct. The liberals want us all to be defenseless and trust the government to protect us, but it’s clear that the government does not have the need to protect us to the same degree that we as individuals do. Why is my bank account better protected than my children are?

You are amazingly ignorant. Congratulations on being the most fact and truth resistant moron on the internet – that’s a remarkable achievement that only a person who has lived in a country defended by the blood of others can give you.

“If you like hunting get a shotgun. All you need.”Thank goodness ignorance like yours isn’t what governs America. 

The Government (police) are very good at filling out the paperwork after you’re dead but as far as protecting people against their assailants, well, they are very good at filling out the paperwork after you’re dead.

He is pretty ignorant Ben, isn’t he? Libtard stupidity on display.

LMAO

 Correct.

Zooropa Fly really doesn’t have a clue. You summed it up nicely. But there is more to add. We don’t have to defend WHY we need guns. The 2nd Amendment doesn’t provide the government with the tools to do that. It simply states that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The left always thinks that we need to explain or justify gun ownership. We don’t. Let them figure it out. I’ll explain that when they explain to me how it’s not hypocritical to ban guns, yet they would never think about banning cars, which kill far more people. After all, they’re liberals. It doesn’t HAVE to make sense or be based on fact. The effect of what is done by liberals doesn’t matter to them. It just has to sound good or make them feel good about themselves. Even if the actual outcome of their stupidity is the exact opposite of what the claimed, who cares. It made them feel good about themselves and after all, the principle is what’s important, not the reality.
There is no need to be reasonable with morons who seem to believe that the simple presence of a gun means tragedy. They will never give up. Unfortunately for them, any attempt to go around the 2nd Amendment will be met with force in the attempt. One thing we can be certain of…none of the leftists will be armed if they aren’t hypocrites. Uh oh. That actually COULD be a problem. Remember the violence of Occupy Wall Street? Funny thing how it is the same people who were attacking the police who are now saying that we need to trust our government to protect us. I wish that I could somehow become a liberal. No responsibility, no conscience, no religion, no morals, no rational thought, no IQ, no such thing as hypocrisy. The main approach to everything is, “The end justifies the means”. Hence, my comment that we might have a problem. In Obamaspeak, “in this time of crisis” can justify ANY abhorrent act. Always, it is the left that promises that it will simply be “temporary”, but will ensure a never ending, ongoing crisis. Seems that Obama should start reading his Julius Caesar if he’s going to sell that pile of manure.

Zooropa Fly really doesn’t have a clue. You summed it up nicely. But there is more to add. We don’t have to defend WHY we need guns. The 2nd Amendment doesn’t provide the government with the tools to do that. It simply states that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The left always thinks that we need to explain or justify gun ownership. We don’t. Let them figure it out. I’ll explain that when they explain to me how it’s not hypocritical to ban guns, yet they would never think about banning cars, which kill far more people. After all, they’re liberals. It doesn’t HAVE to make sense or be based on fact. The effect of what is done by liberals doesn’t matter to them. It just has to sound good or make them feel good about themselves. Even if the actual outcome of their stupidity is the exact opposite of what the claimed, who cares. It made them feel good about themselves and after all, the principle is what’s important, not the reality.
There is no need to be reasonable with morons who seem to believe that the simple presence of a gun means tragedy. They will never give up. Unfortunately for them, any attempt to go around the 2nd Amendment will be met with force in the attempt. One thing we can be certain of…none of the leftists will be armed if they aren’t hypocrites. Uh oh. That actually COULD be a problem. Remember the violence of Occupy Wall Street? Funny thing how it is the same people who were attacking the police who are now saying that we need to trust our government to protect us. I wish that I could somehow become a liberal. No responsibility, no conscience, no religion, no morals, no rational thought, no IQ, no such thing as hypocrisy. The main approach to everything is, “The end justifies the means”. Hence, my comment that we might have a problem. In Obamaspeak, “in this time of crisis” can justify ANY abhorrent act. Always, it is the left that promises that it will simply be “temporary”, but will ensure a never ending, ongoing crisis. Seems that Obama should start reading his Julius Caesar if he’s going to sell that pile of manure.

Couldn’t have said it better myself. Very clever. I’ll be quoting this one for a while!

It’s all yours slkge. I’ve been saying it for 40 years and it’s as relevant today as it was back then.

I’m talking to Bentghazi. I’m not really sure how this ended up as a reply to you.

Federal Court rules “Police Have No Duty To Protect Individuals.”

http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/kasler-protection.html

It’s an interesting read.

Thank you for that. I’ve read many court cases regarding police responsibility to protect and found the exact same thing. Police departments will NOT take responsibility to protect anyone because if they do, they can be held responsible for failing to do so. I do believe that most police officers are good people and many have laid down their lives in defense of others, but this is not their mandate. Unfortunately, the abandonment of citizens happens all too often nowadays. Case in point-the Aurora Colorado movie theater shootings by James Holmes. The police never entered the movie theater until after Holmes was arrested. I can’t find even a hint of a report of any attempt to do so until after Holmes gave up shooting and walked out the exit door to the parking lot. They could have entered the projection booth. They could hear which side of the theater the shooting was coming from, yet, no attempt was made to enter from the other side, even though the common design of movie theaters offers excellent protection against weapons. They simply did nothing. Yet, if the citizens of Aurora decide to sue the police department for failing to intervene, they will fail. It has been long standing law in the US that the police have no obligation to risk their lives, serve OR protect. It’s a nice slogan, but in a legal sense, they are under no obligation whatever to intervene. This is why, in domestic violence cases, often, no intervention is sent in at all. Restraining orders are a complete joke. Again, most officers are brave and risk their lives in defense of others, but people who claim that they can protect us are fools. The truth of the matter is that only the people on the scene can guard against the deranged.

 The Governor of my state just vetoed a bill that would allow staff members who are licensed & trained to carry a firearm, to carry in the schools were they work. how stupid is that? I say if they are licensed & trained to carry, let them. They can respond a lot faster than the police can.

Ever seen the antlers on a moose or elk? The animal is hardly defenseless. 

You clearly have no understanding of what hunting is about, and you compound your ignorance with mythology about how American freedom is secure because of public possession of firearms. Any fool can see the futility of fighting a powerful military weapon mounted on an aircraft or armored ground vehicle, but The Second Amendment isn’t about that. The fact Europeans have been disarmed since the end of Feudalism does not mean much here. We were founded by Europeans who foresaw the need for each individual to be able to defend themselves against outlaws and we have done so. We also managed to gain our freedom from Britain because of individual volunteers who fought against and beat the professional soldiers of Europe. The Constitution was framed by the men who fought to create The United States of America, and it was their determination that this nation should stand among the nations of the world to be the seat of Liberty, and for quite a long time it has been; at one point it was the only free nation with a free people in the entire world. 

You are obviously not from the US, and you have no idea what any of this means, so in the most polite way I can convey this message, the message is keep your globalist socialism – we will continue to embrace freedom. 

One crazy man shooting up a school isn’t a reason for the people to abandon our rights, rights that many have died in battle to provide us with. We are unique in the world. We are, with and without our flaws, Americans.  

For sure.

BRAVO. “This We’ll Defend”

Of course they want to control the dialog – they are libtards, and that’s what libtards do. They think they are in charge by some magical unseen power that they alone hold over the rest of us and we better all get in line if we know what’s good for us. I have become tired of listening to their demands and dictates – as if they hold sway over reality in any matter. Every time something bad happens they have to ban something to make them feel good. It’s just like their need to punish mankind for climate change, or somehow arrive at the conclusion that making people pay extra for, “carbon credits”, somehow makes the environment all better. All it does is put money in Al Gore’s bank.

Their problem is they always come up with flawed assumptions and they base their assessments of what they consider important problems on that. No wonder we see nonsense that is inappropriate in relation to reality coming from them.

One thing I am really sick of is people who can’t think telling me what I should think and how I should live my life – as if they know better than I do.

I’ve been doing okay on my own so far, so those leftwits can go bother someone else. I’m not letting them waste my time.

You know, often times politics overrules common sense.

 there is a difference between automatic and semi automatic.
 there are also things I would not even try to hunt with a shotgun. for those I would use a rifle.

 slk – We all have been told that the police are there to protect us. However,  I have read that it is not the purpose of the police to protect the citizens, they are there to protect the “state”. “Uphold the law”.

 2 thumbs up buddy!

 Right again!

 Unfortunately, that is the ignorance that is in the majority and governing America at this time.

” When you have the intellectual honesty to admit that he was the cause
of this situation, then you will have to decide how to solve the
problem.”

Wow, how apropos for the entire anti 2nd Amendment left. They keep beating the same drum the same way no matter what the music says.

Excellent post BentGhazi

You said all I need is a shotgun for hunting. My point is that you can’t hunt everything with a shotgun. So your ridiculous argument falls apart here.
Another libtard asserted that all I need is a bolt action rifle, to which I might have replied  ” you ever hunt pheasants with a 30-06″ ?  It was a rhetorical question meant to show the fickleness of the liberals argument on their multitude of lame reasons why the liberty of law abiding people to own firearms should be infringed.
The second amendment is what gives the constitution some teeth. I’ve been a hunter and a shooter my whole life but this isn’t about hunting pal. 
If God given rights “ain’t gonna cut the mustard” with you then you just need to shut your trap about any constitutional matters as they are way above your pee brain head.

So as not to disappoint your expectations of me and my predictable answer, I will say that the people you have mentioned are hardly who one would even consider as having God as their motivators. Jesus Himself said “by their fruits you will know them”.

More than that even. The Person behind the man!

Perhaps it’s because the government salivates over your bank account. I fear they are now doing the same over our children. God save us from their style of “protection”!

 most politicians never have common sense, they just like to ignore it.

Here’s the Lowdowm.
I hate Obama
I Despise multiculturalism
I do not believe Homosexuals should have the right to have their relationships defined as marriage.
I hate big Government
I find Socialism repugnant
I friggin hate smarmy celebs getting behind every leftist cause as if people are so thick they need their endorsement to follow their own beliefs.
And I adore Americans ‘Rugged Individualism’.

However, if not wanting Guns carried about into my schools makes me a disconnected liberal…then so be it.
I’ll be a disconnected liberal and you get use to mourning this type of tragedy.

Sooooo…not even the Popes have God as a motivation????

lol. No need to lie though.
Dont drink…pull the other one

Yeeeees… that is correct. Many very religious people have no regard or affection for God or His law. If one loves God then one must love His law. If a person does not obey God then it can be clearly seen that one does not love God.

Thanks!

It’s simply astounding how these supposedly intellectually superior buffoons can’t clearly see the evident facts in front of them. They have been so busy convincing themselves that they are the smartest people on the planet, that those who have education AND common sense have left them choking in the dust.

I’m not so sure, a good number of people that are conservatives didn’t turn out to vote because their particular candidate wasn’t in the running. We’ve got to be better at unifying all the conservatives and getting them to vote. This election should be a message to those who throw their votes away. We don’t have a say in anything if the conservatives don’t get elected in majority – 2010 was a watershed, and we needed a landslide to stop the left. People need to grow up and realize that the other side is not playing the game and we are losing it. If the next election does not turn towards conservatives or at least center-right, then there is nothing that can be done. Just because Romney didn’t win doesn’t mean that a 51% of the vote gets their side a “mandate”. We can beat them, the question remains if we will.

It’s time we grabbed them by the collar and kicked them in the jackass!

These things get me going sometimes…

Amen!

God and men with the heart to pursue what is just and right will prevail. I have confidence in both.

Common sense rarely provides them with much in the way of campaign funding.

I love that any questioning of rhetoric is met with an insult. I am neither ignorant, nor a fool. I’m not questioning the 2nd amendment but there needs to be some common sense. You can’t buy rocket launchers and land mines. I believe there is a way that we can protect the rights of the the responsible gun owner and not have to have armed guards in schools, which isn’t the way we should live in a free society. If you look back through your world history beyond 1776, you can see how societies adapt and changed, England changed the great charter through the ages, you can see the evolution of society through it.

“piercing ammunition” I mean’t high velocity ammunition. Yes I’m not an “expert” in the terminology, I think you knew what I meant. However guns have been in my family for generations, hunting, sports shooting, and yes I am a gun owner.

The real issue is with good appropriate, sensible laws to prevent this from happening again, Armed cops in every school isn’t a solution, It’s also surprising that people would want more government involvement and expensive by doing this. THis is America a supposed beacon of liberty and freedom, that need armed police in schools, thats not the country I want to live in. whats next, we give kids tactic training and guns?

You raised a good point “identifying the individuals who are a danger to society BEFORE they attack the innocent and defenseless. ” Unfortunately this means Health care reform, and education reform, that students don’t fall through the gaps, we know that these kids are on all sides of the social economical spectrum. So yes spotting and treating these children, how many tragic stories have we seen of kids committing suicide.

So once again, we need honest open political discussion and reform if we are going to prevent this type of horror happening again.

Gun’s are part of the American culture and story, the NRA however, don’t speak for this gun owner, I found his comments, shocking, offensive, and frankly un-American.

Frank, c’mon really. of course a high capacity magazine or fully automatic machine gun would do it, but so would a rocket launcher. I’m a gun owner, there is know question that guns have protected lives, I don’t think thats the argument. The Self defense argument I think should go back further that being armed for an attack and look at society and giving the tools to spot and treat potential trouble kids, crime ridden cities, etc. This Idea of just have a bigger better gun that the attacker, isn’t a real solution.

Your comment is the answer to the problem  – involving those who want to scrap the second amendment and those who want to stop the crazy individual from ever killing in the first place. The only way for this growing conflict to be solved is, for the non-believers to Prove there is a God -and – for those who already believe, these individuals must Prove to themselves, which God is the right God – It is God who says – I am the only God and there is no other – so whats up in America, where we have at least 3000 different religious denominations?

Once that objective is met – this crisis, of witnessing madmen boldly walk into unprotected public places, bent on destruction, will be something of the past

Its called, universal understanding of truth, which leads to a right standard of living…human life would now take on a bigger meaning promising national, as well as personal, responsibility. Resulting in something larger than the self.

Winston…WHAT?!, Healthcare reform and education reform are the answer to identifying the deranged? I don’t even know where to start with this treatise. You have completely missed the point at every turn. This is the answer of those who don’t study, who don’t know the issues and who have never experienced government funded healthcare. For a tortuously long three year period of my life, I worked in a private healthcare system that had, as its goal, the adaptation of federal healthcare methods and funding. It’s the first and last time I ever worked for anyone but myself. I was the most productive doctor they ever had in their history. Since I singlehandedly outworked all of the doctors in four combined clinics, I thought that I was doing a good thing. Certainly the number of patients who were being accepted to the clinic were happy with their treatment since, prior to my arrival, it had become commonplace to be turned away. Imagine my surprise when I was called into a private meeting and told that the clinic was about to fire me. Apparently, my work caused them to lose a federal grant of over $200,000. See Winston, the federal government does not reward efficiency or success. They only answer “need” as they see it and respond only to failure. A federalized healthcare system is NOT the answer, nor is any governmental idea of “education reform”. It does not work. Period. The federal government knows nothing about the methodology of success and sees it as a threat that must be eradicated.
You obviously have no deep understanding of anything you are attempting to weigh in on here. The psychology of the deranged is so difficult to predict that the American Psychiatric Association has stated that there are no guidelines for predicting or identifying those capable of mass destruction. There are simply too many factors that are unpredictable to accurately identify who will commit such acts. That evaluation is echoed by the Behavioral Analysis Unit of the FBI. It is difficult to identify a serial killer, but it is far easier to identify the risk factors leading to sociopathy and serial murder than it is to predict a mass murderer that suddenly snaps. Therefore, there is simply no rationale for any of your contentions that we should forego arms in schools in favor of this fruitless tree. We DO need to study the problem more deeply, but it is a phenomenon that is far rarer than serial murder and therefore, of far less likelihood to stop anyone bent on mass murder and self immolation in the future. From a rational standpoint, if we cannot predict who will commit these crimes, it is much more reasonable to put into place the means of thwarting attack at the common source.
Where do most of these horrors occur? Schools. Why? Because these individuals obviously feel a need for recognition and they commit their crimes in a place where they are guaranteed to be successfully unopposed, as they can read right on the doors and walls of most of the schools that no one inside is carrying a weapon. They also choose schools because of the horror that functional societies feel for violence against children and the helpless. They are not psychotic, they are sociopathic, thus, they are fully able to effectively plan and carry out their crimes in a way that psychosis does not allow. None of these individuals are delusional and every last one of them KNOWS what they are doing is wrong. However, once again, there is only one common factor in these cases: schools. The average police call takes between 8-11 minutes to answer. There are fewer than 500,000 police officers in a nation of 360,000.000 people. Only 1/3 of those are on duty at any given time under the best of circumstances because of shifts. This is assuming that none of them are sick or on vacation, which we all know is never the case. Of those 1/3, most are not in the areas where schools are at, mainly because the majority of schools, excepting those in the worst areas of the largest cities, are found in urban neighborhoods, where crime is lower, therefore, by necessity, drawing away police presence toward those areas that are more likely to result in police calls. Because of the rarity and unpredictability of these incidents, and the paucity of police presence in the areas where the crimes are committed, depending on the police to effectively respond to and neutralize threats in a school setting is not likely to result in a reduced body count.

Good read indeed. Proving why the NRAs current stance on school security is the best answer so far, in an effort to protect our children – foremost, the police are already on the scene, verses, there being a waiting period of 5 to 10 minutes respond time. Looking back at the Connecticut incident, the shooter didn’t stop his murderous rampage until he was fully aware of police vehicles arriving, then, this gutless wonder turned the gun on himself ending the insanity. Police are a deterrent and if American educational institutions are truly determined to thwart further shooting sprees – it’s a step in the right direction.

Sunday Meet the Press w/David Gregory, in an interview with NRAs CEO Wayne LaPierre.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/vp/50283353/#50283353 

Gregory cannot seem to understand rational thinking, in his mind, its not the perpetrator, but the weapon or magazine that kills. The American public are quickly following suit and seem to be jumping on the anti-gun ban-wagon, which will not end, until the second amendment is fully revoked.

There are many political ilk, who are now calling for a mandatory across the board – no exclusions – gun ban. They want to make it law for all gun owners, to immediately turn over all their weapons to law enforcement. A direct result of liberal PC…which by the way, is the direct result for the increased gun violence across this land.

…using rational thought, in an irrational world will get you no where…all the same, great post. I’ve also witnessed first hand, government grant waste and fraud…you’re right, if these particular funds were not spent in a given amount of time, they were reduced considerably the next year, or taken away all together, so that of course led to inappropriate use, wasteful spending became rampant to meet quota. As long as the government obligations were met, the funds kept flowing…no questions asked.   

Yes, our healthcare system and educational system is broken. I certainly never suggested the federal government needs to get involved, I said there needed to be reform, and it probably should be at the state level. An armed unit in a school would literally be like having the TSA in our schools, and we know how well that works. More importantly I thought we live in a “free” country of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and now that might mean having armed cops in schools?

I don’t think its a phenomenon, or a rarity anymore. Our kids can be tormented offline and online, think about all the stupid mistakes or embarrassing things you did growing up. Todays kids have to worry about having ever mistake or embarrassment recorded, uploaded and subject to mockery and torment, which ultimately can lead to this type of tragedy or suicide.

So yes reform, change, research, education whatever “political” label you want to put on it, but yes there need to be dialog. and change.

Deep understanding, right, i’m not a psychologist or behavioral expert. I can speak from my own experiences and that of my peers many of which are teachers. I was a terrible teenager, who put my parents through hell growing up, and my parents where attentive, responsible etc… Teenage chemistry, angst whatever you want to call it, but It was a teacher, an Art teacher actually, who change everything for me, she saw, acted, helped and supported and ultimately got me out of trouble, got me focused and got me back on track.

Everyone is way to eager to label and make political points, without real productive dialog.

Winston, you have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re actually trying to say that homicidal/suicidal behavior is a predictable reaction to mockery and embarrassment? Or are you saying that you understand them and can predict which bullied child is going to become a mass murderer? It’s funny how nobody else can, not even the professionals who do this for a living. It is not that simple. I don’t know if you’ve ever been exposed to scientific methodology, but those predictors you are listing are not commonalities with all of these people. What, exactly was the trigger in this case? Was there school mockery and abuse? Was there torment? No. There was a young man with Asperger’s syndrome who apparently had “mommy” issues. How exactly does that correspond to anything you listed? The Aurora Colorado shooter, James Holmes, was a successful graduate student. Until the point that he started shooting, he was considered weird, but no one could have predicted this. Was he being tormented? Was he reacting to constant abuse and rejection? No. There is no commonality between these two cases. Not one single thing that you listed was common to EITHER of these cases.
There is a lot of research, but the problem with it is, there are so many variables that we cannot even attempt to predict where the next one will occur or who will be the one committing that heinous act. Because of that, we need to act with effective measures that ARE common to all of these cases-if one person had a gun, the likelihood of success for the shooter would have been much less. And for the love of Pete, please don’t start whining about bullets whizzing around students. You would have to be an idiot to believe that is more scary than an attacker with no one and nothing that can stand up to him.
I’m not certain what you’re talking about with the TSA references. The TSA is not trained for this kind of thing. The guards at my children’s school ARE. Properly trained teachers ARE. You need to study this more. I realize it’s very easy to simply gloss over the facts (like all liberals) in this situation, but the more you write, the more you reveal how little you know about any of this.

How is he the most despicable creature in the universe when WE are the ones who turned OUR backs on him?  Sorry, son, but that makes US the most despicable creature in all the universe for WE are the ones who actually turned our backs on OUR creator.

Apparently you do display some degree of ignorance. My comments are strictly my own, no rhetoric involved.
Regarding your statement, “You can’t buy rocket launchers and land mines.”, Legally you can – the BATFE classifies them as destructive devices. Permission to own these things are regulated under rules similar to the National Firearms Act. There is an application procedure followed by a background investigation of the applicant, and the legal ownership is conveyed based on the applicant being considered safe and responsible enough to own such things. You can also as a collector or museum curator own INERT examples of just about any weapon. The key to that being the weapon has to have been de-militarized and rendered inoperable. That means different things for different weapons, and the BATFE is in charge of those regulations. Your ignorance isn’t one of a negative nature, but rather a lack of information on this subject. I was not putting any kind of insult into my comments to you. I think you misinterpreted much of what I said because you were not educated in this area, and I now understand that.

I would personally rather know that my children were protected from harm by personnel who are trained in the use of appropriate weaponry and response tactics rather than leaving them un-guarded and an easy target for the next suicidal maniac with a gun and the will to use it. I don’t see how anyone can find securing the schools more threatening than the current situation has proven to be. The point is we have to be more serious about the safety of our communities in specific areas that have been demonstrated on multiple occasions to be perilous to our youngest members of society.

There has been a lot of contributing factors that have created this environment which is precipitating these acts of violence, and this approach of gun control equals less violence just doesn’t work. People who are criminally motivated will obtain weapons and do their monstrous acts of mayhem in spite of the law. Lawless people do not respect laws, gun related or otherwise, so the best response for the immediate term is to prepare the places they are known to attack by providing armed and trained persons capable of taking the advantage away from the criminal attackers.

There is no need to reform anything – we just need to do the basic level of protecting our, “soft targets”, like the schools, malls, and other places where these suicide shooting incidents have occurred in the past.

As far as England being the example, the jury is still out on that – many of the problems throughout the Middle East and Southwest Asia are the result of the end of British influence in it’s former colonies during the latter half of the twentieth century. I would be reluctant to hold Great Britain up as a shining example.

I don’t see how you come to the conclusion that the NRA position is un-American or offensive, it seems reasonable to me in view of recent events.

What I find shocking and offensive is the instant politicizing of an unquestionably tragic event for pursuing the same ideological goal that spawned Fast and Furious. This happens to be another liberal position I find an offense – they trivialize the deaths of 26 people, the majority of them kindergarten students, so they can push the re-institution of the Assault Weapons Ban, that statistically and literally was a failure. That’s the reason it was allowed to expire in the first place – it didn’t work.

“we just need to do the basic level of protecting our, “soft targets”, like the schools, malls, and other places where these suicide shooting incidents have occurred in the past”

Why do we have to do this, what other country does this? The other question, who regulates it? The government, like a TSA in schools, yikes!

“What I find shocking and offensive is the instant politicizing of an unquestionably tragic event” YES!!! by both sides of the aisle, I go back to my point, sensible, unpoliticized dialog without anti-gun or pro guns groups involved, to work out a sensible response to this. As a parent this is a very real subject.

Merry Christmas, and have a safe and Happy New Year.

The country of freedom and liberty, now with armed guards in school, what other first world country does that. That’s how are kids have to go to school in the US, wow!

The ” trained” guard didn’t work out that well at columbine did it, who regulates it? thats my TSA example another government run nightmare?

Well, clearly you haven’t done your research, there are tons of papers and studies on the psychology of children and bullying, and more now with cyber bullying. Of course its not an exact science, but we should ignore it?

Again give me one example of other “free” “first” world countries that need armed guards in schools, I could find one. Thats really the country you want to live in. Maybe we should train the kids and let the kids carry guns…

The NRA’s “Kindergarten Cop” scenario is ridiculous. It’s as knee jerk a reaction to the banning of all guns.

We are not any other country, and we have a problem with crazy people bringing guns to schools and going on shooting rampages, do we not? The response is entirely appropriate for the situation, but for some reason the easiest to accomplish method is the one you object the most to. Apparently you are unaware that the Department of Education is already in the schools, so your protestations seem a bit off to me. No one is suggesting the TSA – but that kind of hype is typical of people who don’t have a solution but will object to anyone who does. The thing is, putting some kind of trained, armed security in the schools will work. You can’t ban crazy or the access they have to weapons. It hasn’t been working. What else do you propose we do about the problem of these school shooters? Yes, this is a very real subject and there needs to be a very practical solution to it. I am all for solving this problem, but in a way that uses resources we already have and not reinventing the non-solutions of the past.

We are past the why we need to do this stage, I think it is plainly obvious why. Gun bans are not the answer, they didn’t work in the past and they punish only the law abiding people who still have the right of self defense under the Second Amendment. What the director of the NRA proposed will work, and the negative reaction to it seems largely attributable to the fact it came from the NRA. Other than that, it is the most practical, easily implemented, and cost effective solution to the present problem. If you have a better idea please feel free to bring it up.

The biggest problem with this situation is that the kind of people who do these sorts of crimes are unaffected and undeterred by the present abundance of laws related to firearms possession and they don’t really care or pay attention to them. I can guarantee you that they won’t treat the presence of trained, armed police with the same attitude. It’s easy for these people to massacre people with no fear of being stopped, but I guarantee you they will respect the presence of counter force. If they don’t, it will be them dying instead of the innocents they prey upon.

I had a Merry Christmas and intend to have a safe and Happy New Year, thank you.

wrong, Huckabee instantly did this:
“We’ve systematically removed God from our schools. Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage?”-Mike Huckabee Its disgusting really. Please do research before writing and please watch something else besides fox news and glenn beck

Winston, you haven’t read a single study. I’m a physician/scientist and I can tell when someone is trying to fake it. You’re just skirting the issue. I HAVE read the actual studies, not what the New York Times says about the studies. There is simply no way for behaviorists to accurately predict the traits of people who do this, especially in juveniles as they cut across all income levels, all races, all issues. How would you propose, then, “studying” the issue? They are and that is why I continue to point out the obvious that, since we can’t predict the traits, we can only accurately predict the place that these things will occur and under what circumstances. And so far as Columbine, the guards were not in the school at the time, they were in the parking lot and didn’t enter the school again after shooting from a distance at Harris and missing. They were not trained how to deal with something like this. Both guards were trained by the police. In fact, NONE of the on duty police officers or guards were properly trained and they did everything wrong and to little effect. The point I have been making is that the police are not trained for this and can only respond after the fact. These guards were in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong training, so, nice try, but no dice. Properly trained, armed teachers/guards can make a difference. Nothing you have suggested is anything but hand wringing and tripe.

“you haven’t read a single study. I’m a physician/scientist and I can tell when someone is trying to fake it. You’re just skirting the issue.”

Skirting the issue…. I’m asking the question’s and your answer is “a kid with aspergers who as mommy issues” that sounds really professional and really scientific. A scientist is suppose to look for patterns, traits solution and answers. You apparently don’t. There are many recently published studies on the affects of cyber bullying, yes people react differently and to varied extremes, we should ignore it then?

“These guards were in the wrong place at the wrong time” exactly, my point. it made no difference, worthless.

So the Police aren’t trained for it, so should we have the army, private security guards or arm the teachers? I honestly don’t think that is anymore that a knee-jerk reaction.

“We are not any other country, and we have a problem with crazy people bringing guns to schools and going on shooting rampages, do we not?”

Why is that, what make “us” as a country more prone to this and how do we go about changing it.

“No one is suggesting the TSA” I wasn’t suggesting the TSA either, I’m just skeptical of this proposed nationwide armed implementation. what is best Police, military, private organization.

“You can’t ban crazy or the access they have to weapons. It hasn’t been working.
exactly. the current status quo hasn’t helped. I don’t want to see a ban on weapons either, but something has to give.

The size of today schools and the ground that would need to be covered, you would need more that one guard per school, to be “effective” you would need an armed unit, that would have to patrol, basically it would have to be a prison. So if the prison model is what we are going for then, maybe more secure building and grounds/ camera monitoring and and ability to remotely lockdown hallways and classrooms.

The NRA response was, the government should do more to protect, we ain’t changing.

And where are your facts and truths?

the bible never talks about guns and stop trying to use the bible to protect guns.

what does that have to do with anything. and most of the people in jonetowns took the poision at gun poing and joenes himself was shot in the head. and what about the congress man and the people in jonestown that where leaving and got gunned down from odrders from jones. And on the same day that the newtown killings happened. A man in china attacked a chool with a butchers knife 20 wounded none dead. rather be wounded than dead.

why do you think that more guns solves a problem. i have never seen a problem solved by have more of what is causing the problem. and can you explain to me why we have almost triple the number of deaths by firearms that countries with gun control laws.

God created men with free will. Otherwise we would all be robots. He also gave us His laws to live by. He also died for us to have eternal life with Him. When we turn our backs on all this innocents have to pay the consequences too. God did not abandon us, we abandoned Him.

Since YOU can’t seem to read, Huckabee, DIDN’T call for the reinstitution of school prayer, he only commented that God is no longer in schools. Maybe next time you could learn to speak English. And I was referring to liberals actually calling for gun confiscation within a few hours of the tragedy. Thanks for demonstrating so aptly what it means to be paralyzed from the neck up.

Where did I use the Bible to protect guns?

You tell me – I have the historical record to rely upon. What about you?

There’s a big difference between schools and prisons, and if you can’t understand that, I can’t help you beyond explaining that prisons are guarded to isolate the prisoners from societal contact, and in the case of a school it would be guarded to prevent criminal activity from occurring on the grounds. The school that the president’s daughters go to has a 12 person security staff, and I am sure that the rest of the children and their parents benefit from that, and don’t consider it a prison.

Look, I never said the NRA suggestion was perfect, but it is one solution that can be implemented in most communities across the country. It also takes the responsibility for security away from federal government and puts it where it belongs – at the local level. This isn’t being forced on anyone, and it has some undeniable logic behind it. These suicidal/homicidal attacks are less likely to occur in places with trained armed protection, whether you hire private contractors, or employ active duty police, sheriff’s deputies, or some other type of well trained and armed personnel for the job. Most places concerned with security have access points in an area that allows only one entrance, and many one-way exits. I think that guarding one entryway while monitoring the exits is something a relatively small number of people can accomplish.

I just think most of the reaction was due to the source of the idea, and not the idea itself. The NRA has the right idea as long as the federal government stays out of it, and the local authorities will take seriously the implementation of some kind of security – as it stands right now, we have a problem that has been going on since Columbine and no one has really done anything to deal with it. There just isn’t any security in place and that is why people like this shooter in Connecticut was able to execute 26 people with very little difficulty. There was nothing and no one to stop him. Does it make sense to allow that situation to continue in view of history? This isn’t the NRA’s problem to fix, it is the local authorities’ problem, and we will see if they continue to be derelict in their duty to protect the schools, or if they finally want to get serious about securing them from outside violent rampage killers.

I don’t think it is the NRA that needs to change – it’s the continued ignorance and unwillingness to admit there is a problem as well as a lack of initiative on the part of communities to address this problem.

This is what happens when you decide to let treatment for psychological illness go by the wayside, and give more sway to the rights of the mentally disturbed than you do to the rest of society. They need to be treated and that treatment needs to be maintained by force if necessary. Otherwise, you invite more mass murders by sociopathic individuals that manage to elude the safety net. It has become so difficult to segregate harmful persons from the rest of humanity because of the efforts of good intentioned organizations like the ACLU who have managed to destroy society’s ability to assure the treatment of psychologically unbalanced people among us. So we either identify and force treatment on criminally mentally ill individuals, or we protect the people we can. There is no third option, and since the mentally ill in this country have become a protected species, so to speak, that leaves us one alternative. Sooner or later we will have to protect schools in some meaningful fashion, or accept the current state of things where madmen go on killing sprees in the public schools.

You tell me which one makes the most sense.

Because its not the problem. Why are you still driving a car? They kill far more people. Most accidents are caused by drunk drivers, but its not their fault, right? After all the cars were the cause of all those deaths, not the choices made by the individuals driving them. Lets apply your logic. The only logical way to prevent deaths at the hands of drunk drivers would be to remove their chosen weapon of destruction. Many of them have suspended licenses, so the only way to ensure that they can’t drive is to take all cars off the road. Only by doing this could we hope to curb the problem.
It is the same with guns. More laws will only be obeyed by the non homicidal. But more laws are just as effective as taking away a drunk’s license. It is symbolic and depends completely on the drunk’s willingness to comply. If we were really honest, we would go back to prohibition as well. Only in that way could we remove alcohol and 5,000 pound weapons of destruction from the hands of those who care so little about their fellow men that they drink and drive. Of course you would NEVER consider doing such a thing…that would be inconvenient for you and why should you have to suffer for the actions of someone else? And we all know how well prohibition worked, don’t we.
Your “solution” doesn’t work. And guns don’t fire themselves, alcohol isn’t consumed accidentally, people don’t accidentally drive with suspended licenses. The fact that you can’t figure out what the true problem is in the first place only makes for skewed, irrational logic. The problem is you can’t predict who will act or when. Therefore, rather than whining about what we wish were true, a much more effective means of controlling the problem is at the one point that all factors intersect-the schools.
So perhaps, instead of blaming an inanimate object, you could try placing the blame on the one who pulled the trigger. I notice that in none of your posts do you bother looking any deeper than that.

Shane

So far, you have been proven to be neither independent nor truthful – same old left wing lies from you as all the other trolls post here every day.

And what is your historical record? show your facts.

Don’t be immature name calling is not called fo.

the diffrence between a car and a gun is that a car is amde for transportation but a gun is made to cause harm. you can turn anything into a weapon, but a gun can only be a weapon. And on the same day that the Newtown shooting happened a man in china attacked a school there with a knife 20 people where wounded none dead rather be wounded than dead

So it doesn’t matter why an object kills, only that it has more than one use? And it’s better to have a nut go after schoolchildren with a knife because, according to you, knives rarely kill? Why don’t you start thinking before lapsing into mindless, illiterate textspeak on this subject? What, people have never been murdered in large numbers with knives? Maybe Sharia law is the answer you’re looking for here. Just cut off people’s hands if they ever show any inclination for violence and they can’t possibly pick up a knife OR a gun. After all, again using your reasoning, better to lose your hands than be given the chance to kill.

Can you tell me when a large number of peopel where killed by one person with a knife. I rather the attck does not happen but if it does i would rather the person have a knife than a gun. Lets look at the number

American School attack(Gun used)-26 dead
Chineese School attack(knife used)- 20 wounded

You tell me which you preffer

What do you think were used as the majority of weapons to kill right up to and including World War II? In 1993, between 500,000 – 1,000,000 Tutsis in Rwanda were killed by rival tribal Hutus. Whole villages were slaughtered by the Interahamwe and Impuzamugambi factions roving in small bands. Less than 30% of these people were murdered using guns. Machetes are one of the main weapons of mass destruction in Africa, the Phillipines, and most Third World nations today. Don’t tell me that it is not possible to murder on a large scale using knives. Again, you do not understand what you are talking about. It is painfully obvious that you, like virtually every liberal that I have ever dealt with, are uninterested in addressing any problem logically. Based on how poorly you write, it is painfully obvious that true, studied, intellectual inquiry is an activity you have never experienced. Every one of your posts reads at the reasoning level of a 12-yr-old and is reasoning is woefully superficial and devoid of fact. It is you and every other liberal that willfully try to build a world around what you wish could be, but are unwilling to follow a logical framework to bring about. Posting “gun free zone” on buildings does nothing but advertise to those of nefarious intent that they will receive absolutely no opposition should they wish to enter to enact whatever fantasy end game that they wish. I don’t care what it “means” if we need guards. You can whine and bemoan the state of things all you want. In the end, your words will only delay ensuring the safety of children. Stop the hand wringing. Stop the foolishness. If highly trained, armed teachers or guards are necessary, so be it.

Virginia Tech, after experiencing the horror of an attack that left 33 people dead and 17 wounded, reviewed their emergency procedures. They realized that it was exactly those same policies that allowed Seung-Hui Cho to not only roam the campus at will in his murderous attacks, but to do so TWICE. No one could stand up to him because no one had weapons and the campus police were trained at about the same level as the local police. In other words, they had less training than the average CCW holder. Now, Virginia Tech has changed its policies. Students possessing CCW permits are now allowed to carry weapons at school. In reviewing what happened, they realized that their policies turned students into sitting ducks.

Whether you think it is going to be the OK Corral out there is meaningless in comparison to the right of individuals to protect themselves and others. Your wishful thinking, when applied as policy, has consequences and often results in more violence, not less. Why do you think that these murderers always go to schools with posted policies against weapons? Why do they rarely attack police stations? And whether you like or dislike weapons, you do not have the right to deny others the ability to defend themselves and others. I know that liberals think that if they don’t like something, they need to outlaw it for everyone, but when it comes to the right to defend oneself, that right is inalienable. In other words, think what you like, but neither you nor Barack Obama nor any of the other liberals, whether foolish or evil, will succeed in disarming the American public because you deem all firearms “unsafe”. No one believes that it’s okay to allow criminals or the mentally deranged access to arms, so don’t even try to fall back on that bit of liberal hysterical tripe. But short of that, your rights to remove all firearms from the hands of the American public are sure to fail because you have two things to deal with that are nearly insurmountable. 1. Your quest depends on convincing everyone that we need to upend the constitution in order to deny rights, thus making it just as possible to remove YOUR civil rights in the same way. I don’t think you or any of your ilk quite understands that every right ignored or removed can be turned against you as well when the tables are turned and 2. You, the unarmed, will be looking down the barrels of more than 300,000,000 weapons and demanding that we, the armed, hand them over. Good luck with that. Perhaps if all of you were to go running naked through the desert and hold hands and sing Cum-by-Yah it could happen….NOPE.

You still have not given me an example of a person with a nife killin a bunch of people at the sametime. No i have my master degree but i’m also working so not going to waste time spell checking. Because most of school shooting are done by students that go to that school.  We don’t need to change the consitution. We don’t even need to outlaw all guns but assualt rifles and semi automatic weapons need to be outlawed and by your logic all drugs should be legal cause we should not outlaw something just because it’s unsafe. personal attacks are not called for never called you a name or attacked you personally be respectful no need to be immatureAnd you last statement was again uncalled for just give facts and number even if you want to give a example or situation call. but please stop all this libral this and libral that i don’t see my self as a libral or a conservative i think for myself i don’t agree with alot the libral say and i don’t agree with lot of what conservative say i have my own mind and what i think is not shape by liberal or conservaties. so please stop trying to lump everybody in your liberal conservative groups

You work so you don’t have time to spell, yet you claim that you have a master’s degree. I’ve never met or trained a graduate student that communicates on the level that you do, so, no, I don’t believe you are telling the truth about that. What are you saying? None of the rest of us work and that’s why we CAN spell? Now that’s truly flawless reasoning there, Copernicus. Writing is second nature for those who have progressed to that level. So is research. You aren’t there. You need to go back and read that last post you made. I don’t even understand where you were going with half of it because it was so unhinged and grammatically incorrect as to render it completely incomprehensible. Case in point. Out of the blue, you say, “Because most of school shootings are done by students that go to that school.” Nothing prior to that and nothing following to explain what that was all about. You’re just digging this hole deeper.
I didn’t lump you into an identity, you have clearly identified yourself with what you profess to believe. If you don’t like it then don’t associate with the beliefs of the groups that spout the same mindless prattle that you do. So far as giving you an example of a “nife” attack by an individual person, try some of the individual accounts by women from the wars in Sierra Leone and Rwanda, jihadist terrorist attacks by deranged individuals in the Philippines, Indonesia and Afghanistan and teen drug cartel hit men with more than 50 murders under their belts. But I’m not going to play that game with you anymore. Your “point” is not meaningful unless you are saying that ALL guns have to be removed from the hands of all individuals. Without that level of intervention, arguing about knife attacks is just plain inane. But you completely refute your own contention on that point anyway because you then go on to state that you are only for taking away “assault weapons” and “semi-automatic weapons”. Well, which is it? Either we are left with nothing but a few knife styles (since many of them are regulated and are not for sale to the general public, proving once again the sinister intentions of liberals who will take whatever freedoms they can grab from anywhere they can get it) or else we still have all other guns, which are just as capable of killing, even when the murderer stops to reload, as we have seen in every attack in recent times. Ever heard of a double action revolver? With a speed loader, I can reload a revolver almost as quickly as a semi-auto without having to cycle the chamber. I can fire just as accurately and almost as fast with the same number of bullets as I can any of my semi-autos, but of course, you wouldn’t know that. You know nothing about any weapon at all. You couldn’t accurately name a single caliber weapon and its firing characteristics, yet you feel knowledgable enough to jump into contending for WHAT should be confiscated or controlled. Any one of my hunting rifles can do more damage than what the shooters used in any of the recent attacks, but most anti-gun morons wouldn’t consider them “assault weapons” because they don’t look like military weapons. Typical liberal manure…it doesn’t matter what the facts are, or the consequences of acting on wishful thinking or lack of knowledge, just whether it sounds good or looks a certain way.

The second amendment clearly forbids federal interference with the rights of individuals to keep and bear arms. There are no exceptions mentioned and it is the most clearly written amendment of the constitution, but even if that amendment were not enough, the tenth amendment covers all the rest of the questions as to who has the right to regulate anything. It states that if a power is not mentioned in the constitution, that power is forbidden claim by the federal government and belongs strictly to the states, and by extension, the people. The constitution doesn’t give the federal government the authority to regulate the right of any individual to own a gun and it strictly forbids the federal government from making or enforcing laws that infringe on the right to defend oneself and others…period. Nor does it afford the government the authority to force individuals to justify WHY they should be allowed to exercise that right. In other words, I don’t have to justify why I can keep, and carry a gun and use it to defend myself and others. Anyone can talk about it, but that is not a luxury afforded the government before the law. According to you, we don’t need to change the constitution, yet you are advocating new laws that would directly contradict the language of the constitution, in both the letter of the law AND the spirit. The only way to accomplish what you and all gun grabbers want is to 1. amend the constitution or 2. (far more likely under our current worthless, freedom hating leadership) simply ignore the constitution and “amend” it through executive”policy” and mandate.

Just stop before you appear any more uninformed or foolish. Or go right ahead and reply. I’m not wasting any more time trying to explain the world to someone who has neither the background to understand, nor the will to educate themselves.

it has nothing to do with not spelling when a person types they tend to hit the wrong key it happens so much that there is a word for it a typo. Not spending the time to check my typos. Now if this was something important i would but blogging on this site is not important for me to do that. You keep saying that people are just walking into the school with guns just because it a gun free zone. like a person on the street sees a school and decides to shoot it up. Which is not the case school shooting are done by students who go to the school. again that is a group of people. So the only guns are semi-automatic and assuat rifles? then a speed loader needs to bet iillegal. and you still have not gave me an example iof one person killing a bunch of people with a knife you keep giving example that a mass mob related. Just because i agree with librals on gun control does not make me a libiral. I agree with conservatives on abortion but that does not meani am conservative unlike you i think for myself and i don’t need a group to tell me how i should think. wrong the 2nd amendment allows you to regulate all the amendents allow you to regulate. And the 2nd amendment was writen because the founding fathers did not belive in a organized military so they. so the 2nd amndment allowed america to have a armed militia. But that did not last long and they had to get a military force. Not uninformed you just don’t agree wich is fine but what the problem with america is that people don’t know how to disagree with respect anymore. Look at our conversation for example. I didn’t try to attck you personally or try to lump you into any group because i’m not conversating with a group i am with you. We have to learn how to disagree without being disrespect. But it’s a shame that adults act like this. I was told that when a person trys to attack you and not bring facts that because there arument is weak and they have to attack you as a self-defence for there lack of knowledge. I’m not saying that’s you but evry example that i ask you tio give you can’t. Every argument that you have put forth are very good. So to cover that up you attack me. Please let be mature and keep the conversation resepctful. I have not said any disrespect I just ask for the same respect. There is no reason for us as adults to be immature. You want the goverment to work together why don’t we start by respect each other.

Radical
Islamists killed 2,996 (two thousand nine hundred ninety six) human beings
including 8 children under the age of twelve on the planes and several pregnant
women in the towers. The Killers did this in one fell-swoop armed only with box
cutters.

Timothy
McVeigh and Terry Nichols armed only with fertilizer and fuel-oil killed 168 people
including 19 children under the age of 6 and injured more than 680.

A
killer is a killer regardless of the number of people they kill, the age of the
people they kill, the reasons they kill or the tools they choose to commit
their crimes. The killer himself is the only thing responsible
for the results of his actions.

The
second amendment is not only about hunting, sport shooting or even home
defense. Although you may choose to keep and bear arms only
for hunting and sport shooting, the second amendment does not discriminate or
differentiate based on any individual or group’s idea of what the people need
or don’t need and what they need it for or don’t need it for. Likewise the first
amendment not only protects speech you agree with, it also protects speech you
may disagree with. The second amendment protects the right to keep and bear
arms not just for reasons you agree with but also for reasons you may think are
unnecessary. As a government’s abilities to oppress the will of the people grow,
so should the people’s abilities to defend themselves and the Constitution.
Just because our forefathers could not have foreseen “modern assault
weapons” in their time, it does not invalidate them from constitutional
protections in any way. Freedom of the press and freedom of speech did not see
the future of radio, television, cell phones or the internet and all of those tools
are also protected equally in the eyes of the law under the Constitution. Yet information
can sometimes be far more powerful than a bullet.

Our
failed broken government (all political parties included) should fear the
people, but we should not fear them. If every citizen in this country
owned an “assault weapon,” I assure you our
“representation” in Washington would be paying a little more
attention to the will of the people instead of passing bills they haven’t even
read while exempting themselves from those very same laws – stripping away our rights
and constitutional protections in the middle of the night and spending more of
OUR money than WE can ever hope to repay, ensuring our children’s slavery
to the national debt for the rest of their lives. How can they claim to be
representing us if they don’t even read the laws they are passing, consider the
impact on the people they represent or the future of our great nation? I do not
advocate violence in any way whatsoever, but if our government always has it in
the back of their heads that we are CAPABLE of fighting back, and that we have
the resolve to do so if necessary, they might actually pay attention to what
they are doing. Our government no longer fears us, for they lie while looking
us straight in the eye. Our government, aided and abetted by corporate mass
media and our own complacency have fractured and divided the people among so
many lines and issues that I wonder with a saddened heart if we even stand a
chance to remain that great shining city on the hill, a beacon of
freedom and hope to the entire planet, capable of so much good in the
world. United we stand, divided we fall, our forefathers knew this, the enemies
of freedom and liberty know this too. Divided on the Constitution, We the People will
fall.

I didn’t call you any names – if you can’t contribute in a constructive manner, you should refrain from posting for a while.

That is just too stupid even for you to suggest you are ignorant of the history of mass shootings, especially in view of recent examples.

You really are not any good at this, perhaps crochet is more your forte.

Timothy McVeigh didn’t use a gun and he killed 168 people. Knife attacks  at Chinese schools have gotten to be common place now, where children are killed and wounded. The kids in that latest one were outside and able to escape worse damage and therefore not killed, but in other attacks they have been killed by knife wielding attackers.  Google the key words and you will find many deadly attacks on people in schools, shops, etc. Be a little resourceful.

I have worked for many government agencies or in support of them my entire career, and they all practice incremental budgeting, the process which leads to all that wasteful spending. They have to spend all the money in the budget by the year end, and at that time the frivolous spending that goes on just to assure the department has the same budget next year is amazingly atrocious. 

We should have adopted zero based budgeting years ago, but none of the powerful in Washington and all the state capitols want that because it means being accountable for every penny spent by government. 

slkgej6 and Winston don’t have any idea about the money required to guard our schools, and that is just another red herring they want to bring up to avoid the facts that the NRA’s recommendation is the only one so far that makes any sense. They will continue to create straw-man arguments as long as they can in order to push their agenda. I am convinced that both are ideologues, who are here merely to counter post to every conservative and sensible alternative to their Media Matters compatriots’ position that guns are evil. 

They simply don’t know any better because their trainers haven’t allowed them access to knowledge outside of the official line of propaganda.

Sometimes the stupidity of these lefties is incredible. This one is particularly information resistant and lazy.

Timoth McVeigh? so now you want to make bombs legal. so you telling me that it is easier to kill someone with a knife than with a gun.

you say that you have historacl record to prove your piont please present them. Or is it that you don’t have any so to cover the fact that you have no facts. you try to say thing like i’m too stupid or i’m ignorant of History. Just shut me up by showing your fact. I read your comments all the time on this sites and it all the same from you. when ever anyone disagrees with you instead of showing facts to back up what you say you just start calling people trolls and all other sorts of name but what is funny is i never read anything from you with and facts or substance. A may disagree with alot of the people on this site about alot of thing but i give them respect for haveng substance behind the argument no matter if i agree with or not. But i can’t say the same for you. You tend to very immature and have no facts or substance behind anything you say. You pretty much just very good at  putting people down.

I’ve been reading that the Sandy Hook Massacre is a Hoax, set up by those who want a ban on guns.  There are reports that is was actually set up like a disaster movie.  There is some pretty damning evidence to support this.   What do you think?

Are you too stupid to read a book or search the internet?
Apparently you are. Troll elsewhere, your input here on this subject is neither desired or required.

Your judgement of maturity leaves a LOT to be desired – You don’t show us much of anything any other troll has done before, especially in your poor command of English. There is nothing about you to respect, and no substance to your specious arguments.

It’s not my job to remediate your poor level of scholarly achievement, so forget demanding facts from me you will either ignore, or refuse to accept. I don’t need a pet chimp, so hit the road chump.

Wot about 9/11 then ?

How does my stating a fact – that McVeigh didn’t use a gun to kill 168 people translate in your screwed up mind into I want to make bombs legal? Were you born this stupid or is it something you have been working on? As to the rest of your comment, go back and reread what I wrote and reread it again until you can comprehend what it says. If you still don’t get it, go get a brain transplant.

I know – he thinks that my saying that McVeigh didn’t use a gun to kill 168 people means I think bombs should be legal! I wonder if it hurt when his mommy dropped him on his head – 20 times.

yep…bout right.
Merry Christmas anyway.

The leftwits are always making the most insane extrapolations based on their own prejudices – case in point is that blathering bloater Michael Moore. He’s made movies based on nothing but his prejudice and flawed assumptions – and these witless fools made him a multi millionaire.

I think it was too much L-25 in the sixties…

I know – they ate up his crap and fattened his purse for doing exactly what he was preaching against. LMAO What idiots!

and the 70s and 80s and 90s

Yup.

ROTFL!

Fake people? Fake town? Fake funerals? You should shut up lest you embarrass yourself. Whoops, to late!!!!!

Apparently 2012 also! LOL

Looks like the conspiracy theorists are at it again. The same people on the inside who plotted the fake attack on the twin towers plotted this too. Hey, I got a bridge in Brooklyn that I’ll sell ya cheap.

…probably still ‘trippin’

Undoubtedly the party has been ongoing – look at all the insane crapola the left has been shoveling for the past forty years. They think screaming profanity loudly at everyone is the best way to get attention. Look at what the Occupoopers did – that is the strategy of the leftists, and there is no substance beyond it.

Now they are out in force screaming about banning guns because some gutless insane young man killed his mother to take her guns on a shooting spree at an elementary school. They jumped on the AR-15, and later we learned while there was one in his possession, it never left his car. What else are they going to get wrong and expect to get a pass on? They don’t realize that they kill their credibility when they screw up the details and present a case based on lies, assumptions and erroneous information.

How much ?

Every country in the world has crazy people. IT’S THE GUNS STUPID!

Are you sure that you’re talking about the right person, there, BentGhazi? I’M counter posting for Media Matters? Have you read my posts? I believe you’re talking about the_independent_truth. I’m the guy who’s FOR armed teachers and guards, which, I believe, mirrors your position. It’s easy to get lost in the names, here, but I’m the one who has been wasting my time arguing with Winston and the_independent_truth and agreeing with you.

You are 100% correct, Sandie, but he’s incapable of understanding the shallow nature of what he’s saying. He hasn’t come close to improving his arguments one whit and I can’t stand the misspelling anymore, so I just ignore his ignorance.

No, Anita, it’s not. It is not “crazy” people who are committing these atrocities. The truly crazy are incapable of the planning and organization that it takes to pull this off. Even in places where gun control has become near fanatical, such as England, mass shootings STILL occur. Their most recent high profile mass shooting occurred in Cumbria, a rural town in England, in which a gunman roamed freely without opposition because even the police didn’t have guns. The guns are not the problem, it is people. And the people who are committing the crimes are sane. They are not psychopathic, most would not even fall into the sociopathic category until AFTER their crimes were committed. Gun control only disarms those who are not committing crimes, leaving them defenseless. In this can be found the biggest difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberals don’t like something and they do everything in their power to make laws to ban whatever they don’t agree with, including the suppression of free speech. If a conservative doesn’t like guns, he doesn’t buy one.

Sorry, battle fog.

He really is pathetic, Sandie. He’s his own worst enemy. Did you read his posting where he claimed he’s got a master’s degree?

 In the past fully autos where easy to get, but nothing like this
happened and there was no violence on TV either. TV is the big issue
there should not be gun violence on TV. Hollywood has kept families from
communicating with each other because they are addicted to the TV, in
result of seeing constant violence and disconnected from others has
resulted in major depression for many.America is the leading country for
depression and television. Depression is the leading cause for school
shootings and drug addictions. When is enough a enough there should be
regulations put on Hollywood on what can be shown on television.

 In the past fully autos where easy to get, but nothing like this
happened and there was no violence on TV either. TV is the big issue
there should not be gun violence on TV. Hollywood has kept families from
communicating with each other because they are addicted to the TV, in
result of seeing constant violence and disconnected from others has
resulted in major depression for many.America is the leading country for
depression and television. Depression is the leading cause for school
shootings and drug addictions. When is enough a enough there should be
regulations put on Hollywood on what can be shown on television.

You’re not far off there buddy. 
T.V. is Heroin.
And it’s all crap crap crap.

Mental Illness… Invented disease. We’re all mentally ill in the 21stC. Generations have been fed drugs they don’t need which do bad things in a lot of cases.

I didn’t see that, and wouldn’t have believed it if I did see it.

I just want all of the affected families to know that everyone around the world is sending them their thoughts and prayers. May God bring comfort and ease of pain to the families of the lost.

I
read on the first or second day that the Sandy Hook
Elementary killer had an AR-15 in the car.  I never heard that or read that again and now
two months later, only because the corner released his report some of the press
were forced to tell the truth,

All
the kids were killed with 9 MM. No assault weapon was used in the Sandy Hook Elementary school.

It’s
not surprising that the Obama administration, Democrats and the press are not
telling the whole truth.  It did not meet
their agenda.

There
is an old adage, “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.”

Last
week, the media tried  to convince us
that support for Senator Feinstein’s anti-gun legislation on assault weapons,
especially the AR-15 type.  

Legislation
will pass as written even though they have not
read it.  But now that word is out the press,
and Democrats
look like fools and liars.