How do we stop the next Sandy Hook? Glenn talks with Dave Grossman about gun violence in schools

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Tonight on The Glenn Beck Program, Glenn interviewed author, soldier, and speaker Dave Grossman. Grossman is the founder the field of “killology”, which looks to examine “understanding of killing in war, the psychological costs of war, the root causes of the current ‘virus’ of violent crime that is raging around the world, and the process of healing the victims of violence, in war and peace.” He has also worked with local police and military offices, and has worked with mental health professionals in the wake of school shootings.

In the interview the duo discussed a wide range of issues, including the role that violent video games play in desensitizing kids to violence. Grossman explained that he believes that violent video games contribute to gun violence in schools, and that the lack of consequences in the games is reflected in school shootings. He noted that some games even teach suicide when a video game character kills themselves in order to restart.

Grossman noted that he believed that games like paintball and airsoft differ from video games in that they are treated like a sport and the intention is never to hurt your opponent. He said that a real injury in those activities means the game stops and the participants come together to make sure the injured party is OK, usually so everyone doesn’t get in trouble with parents. In video games, Grossman said that there are no consequences to the violence and as a result the games become murder simulators.

Grossman also explained how gangs and even Islamic extremists use video games to train for marksmanship.

The most touching moment of the interview came when Grossman described a personal moment came when Grossman told a story of a school shooting in how own hometown. He had written and spoken of this event before, and in 2000 gave an address to the Schiller Institute where he told the story.

In 2000, Grossman said:

And to people who say that, I tell a story that came out of the shootings here in Jonesboro, in my hometown.

I was out at the school as the lead trainer of mental health professionals, on the night of what was the largest schoolyard massacre in American history. At that time. It’s since been beat by the Littleton killings. And we were out there working in that school.

Now, the counselors that were working in the hospital that day, one of those counselors came out … and she had to debrief, she had to talk to us, she had to tell us what had happened out in that hospital that day. Now, to those people, whose solution to this problem, “If you don’t like it, just turn it off,” I tell them this story that that counselor brought to us at the school that night.

She said, they were out working in that hospital, in that emergency room, that small, small emergency room, with over a dozen families in sobbing masses. Moms and Dads, and aunts and uncles, and brothers and sisters, trying to come to terms with an 11- and 13-year-boy that had just butchered their little girls.

In the middle of all of that, periodically, the doctor comes out and pulls aside two parents, and says, “I’m so very sorry, but your little girl didn’t make it. We did the best we could.”

Now, this counselor said it had been going on for quite a while, and all of a sudden, there’s this lady that comes in. She’s all alone, she’s got no friends, she’s got no family, she’s got no husband, nobody. She comes walking into that emergency room, and she sits down, and she’s just staring off into the distance.

Finally, after she’d been there quite a while, one of the counselors comes up to her, and she drops down on one knee, and she takes this lady’s hand, and she says, “Can I help you?” She said, the lady looks me in the eye, and says, “I’m the mother of one of the little girls that was killed today, and I just want to know, how do I get my little girl back? What do I need to do to get the body back?”

And they explained to her, that all of the ones that had been killed today, had been sent to the state capitol, 100 miles away, for autopsies. And when they were finished with the body, they’d call her, and she could tell them what funeral home to have the body shipped to.

And you see it hadn’t set in yet. And she says, “Funeral home. Funeral home. We can’t afford a funeral. We can’t even afford a funeral.”

You see, that little girl was all she had in all the world. There was no husband, there was no friends, there was no family. There was just her and that little girl, and she was going to come to that hospital, and wrap her little girl’s body in a blanket and take her home.

And for those whose solution to this problem is, “If you don’t like it, just turn it off,” my answer is, “Come to Jonesboro with your sad solution, my friend. Come to Jonesboro and tell that mother how she could have kept her little girl safe. ‘Cause every single one of the victims of every single one of the school shootings, their parents could have protected them for a lifetime, and it wouldn’t have been enough, if the parents of one of the neighbor boys hadn’t done their job.”

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  • Anonymous

    More guns!
    Also, if you want to lose weight, stock up on ding dongs and ho hos! Because that way you can fill up your cabinets so there’s no room for junk food!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JP6X4H6BSB5ISPHKSA7HV2BPBI Google

    #1: loose the glasses glen, they create annoying shadows on your face and look stupid
    #2: Psychotropic drugs are the main reason for the mindless violence, and is a KNOWN side effect! (ridilin, zoloft, lusapro, etc.)
    #3: the government wants to bring “mental illness” to the forefront so they can start locking people up WITH NO LEGAL OPPOSITION and no way to fight it
    #4: if you do not address issues #3 and #4 we will know that you are a shrill and a plant

  • Bob

    Glenn has talked about the government using mental illness to lock people up before.

    However this guy whining about video-games is completely full of BS.  He is trying to get his name out there to increase his personal brand to sell whatever it is he is pushing (books or whatever). 

    There have been just as many if not more studies showing that games do not lead to people becoming more violent.  Not to mention that school shootings have been around a LOT longer than video-games.  Just look at the chart Pat & Stu had on their show that showed that the rate of occurence for school shootings has been relatively flat for the past 30+ years.

    Pen & Teller even did a whole episode of BS that debunked this whole argument. 

    Also these video-games have ratings on them, right on the front of the box.  If it is a violent game it is rated “M for mature (17+ or older).  That means if you are younger than 17 years old you shouldn’t be playing these games.  Therefore you can blame the parents for letting their precious snowflakes play these horrible violent games. 

    Whiners always try to blame stuff for these mass-shootings, but there is no answer.  Mass killings have happened all throughout history, before video-games, movies, books, or even guns.  Some people are just evil. 

    People like this guy tried to blame games when it came to the Virginia Tech killer.  Turns out that guy NEVER played games.  This is just typical BS from talking heads trying to increase the value of their own personal brand.  Normally Glenn is smart enough not to fall for these charlatans, but not this time apparently.

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  • Steve Pickard

    Bob, you are an idiot.

  • Steve Pickard

    I liked this program tonight Glenn. It was informative and provided well thought concepts that will help me to better articulate the subject matter to friends and family. It is a much more complicated subject than most mindless posts here can comprehend. Thank you for providing the time for Mr. Grossman to appear and talk about such a sensitive subject; for having an adult conversation.

  • landofaahs

    You cannot keep evil from happening in this world, it came in with sin and will remain until Christ comes.  Death comes as the result of sin.  Despite what many people believe, there isd original sin and man is born with it.

  • Anonymous

    Other countries play video games as much as we, but don’t have these shootings. The difference? Access to guns.

  • landofaahs

    I don’t believe the games are healthy, but there were no video games when Cain first killed his brother Abel.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3QOSBM7JSY4WGYFSMWF42NBC7Y Lord Malachite

    Video games are not the problem with our society. Parents who allow their children to play games, watch movies, and listen to music unsuitable for them are the problem. Video games, television, and music are not appropriate baby sitters. Treat any video game as you would a movie. Look at the rating closely. It tells you the appropriate age group and the specific reasons for that rating, for instance “Comic violence,” like Looney Tunes, vs. “Graphic violence,” involving realistic killing of simulated people. If the game is not appropriate for your child, they should not be playing it.If parents were more involved with the raising of their children, they would not be exposed to inappropriate content.  We don’t need laws about movies and video games and music. We need people to be involved in what their children are watching, playing, and listening to. This means you might not be able to just plunk them in front of the set, people. You are your children’s caretakers, not the media.

  • Anonymous

    you’re right, and the debate that should be had is how much are we willing to give up to prevent an anomaly (personally i’m a libertarian and don’t favor assault weapons bans, but efforts to make sure unstable people don’t get guns should be taken.  also holding people legally responsible in civil court for what their guns do, person steals gun that’s not kept in a safe, shoots some people up, person who owned the gun is deemed liable and must pay damages for not taking proper precaution i think would certainly help.)
    statistically swimming pools are a much larger threat to small children than violent criminals.

  • Matthew Comstock

    just because there are age restrictions on video games doesn’t mean people fallow them if you get on cod you find like a bunch of little kids if you would just listen it actually makes sense and I watched all the videos and didn’t here any mention of any products hes selling and just because you gave 1 instance doesn’t disprove anything I bet pretty much all of the crazys shooting up schools do play violent video games  

  • Matthew Comstock

    they didn’t have guns either and I believe he was talking about mass muders

  • Matthew Comstock

    if you don’t report it being stolen then yes I have 3 guns and I don’t have a safe but their put up. but who doesn’t report a stolen gun? so that’s complete bullshit you cant go to jail for not pulling the trigger just cause you bought it and did the proper things like reporting it stolen (if it was)

  • Anonymous

    depends on what is determined to be the proper level of precaution. I don’t know enough about law to say i was just throwing safe out there. but lets say you keep a loaded gun tied to your mailbox and someone stole it and shot someone. that’s definitely not the proper level of precaution and you would be held liable to an extent.
    and i’m talking in civil court, not criminal.

    in order to determine proper precaution you need to figure out the odds of the thing happening and the cost of taking precaution with the cost of not taking precaution (the value of one statistical human life is 6 million dollars) do some math that i can’t remember off the top of my head and if the cost of taking a certain measure of precaution is greater than the cost of not taking the precaution then you would be held liable if you didn’t take precaution.
    for example: hiding your guns in a safe in a nuclear proof bunker under your house would be way more than the proper/efficient amount of precaution but would definitely insure if your stuff was stolen and used to kill you would not be held liable in any way shape or form.

  • Matthew Comstock

    reason behind teachers having guns why its good because if they know every teacher has a gun then their less likely to go shoot it up criminals like easy targets… that said why its bad if its on them youll get a gangbanger who thinks hes tuff and try to steal it but having one hidden somewhere in the room in a little lock box would be a better idea 

  • Anonymous

    Maybe, but you can keep assault rifles and big clips out of the hands of psychopaths.

  • Anonymous

    Deaths in swimming pools are accidents. Using an assault rifle is on purpose.

    Tobacco and firearms are the only products that kill you if used as intended.

  • Anonymous

    You’re already starting to see the problems. Think about it, and it’s a really bad idea..

    And there were armed guards at Columbine. Didn’t help.

  • Anonymous

    I’d just like to point out here that I’m now 24, and I’ve been playing all sorts of video games for years now, some of them have been quite violent, such as Grand Theft Auto and games like Call of Duty, for example. Like others, I have also seen tons of action movies, with plenty of violence played out on screen there too. Also, I have been able to shoot quite well and knew where all of my parents’ weapons and ammunition were, and now have my own small collection of guns.

    To be honest, I can actually shoot more accurately than almost everyone I know, and I have better anticipation and a faster reaction time when we’re out shooting a moving target. That is probably the only real thing I would attribute to playing some of these games. Even when I was starting to learn how to shoot, using a weapon I had never fired before, other than the weight and of the actual gun in my hand(s), almost everything I picked up felt almost like second nature to me. So perhaps the realism of these games isn’t so bad after all.

    Now, either I am just some miracle that managed to make it through my childhood and teenage years without going and shooting up a crowded place, or there was something else going on.

    Honestly, I believe it’s just my parents, who instilled in me from a very young age that the things I see in video games, television shows, and in movies are not real. Am I desensitized to violence? Maybe a little bit, but not nearly as much as these people would like to have you believe. I know how destructive a gun can be, and I know what the consequences of using one are. I really hope I never, ever have to use one to defend myself or my family, but I am prepared to do so.

    Now one case does not make or break this argument either way, I just thought we should hear an argument made about how violent video games and movies, coupled with the access to weapons does not mean a child will grow up to be a killer.

    I don’t know how you can fix the problem, but from my perspective, it is pretty clear that these parents have failed their children and failed society. We all seem to have 20/20 hindsight that these people are mentally unstable, why aren’t we paying attention to the warning signs? They always get ignored because it’s just easier to pretend everything is okay as long as the rest of the world thinks we’re okay. Are we too far removed from having to talk to each other in person that we can’t have difficult conversations with each other, that it is just easier to ‘log-off’ and ignore it? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not blaming social media, cell phones, or the internet, but the force that’s corrupting our society isn’t being desensitized to violence, it’s being desensitized to each other.

  • http://www.facebook.com/castroist.rebel Castroist Rebel

    I’ve emailed senators to consider a 60% profits tax on all video game developers that release games that promote gun violence. You guys should too. Pressure congress to hold video game companies accountable for raising a generation of psychopaths.

    This is not to say we should be foolish about the legislation. I was very specific, in that I thought it would be good to put a 60% tax on the total amount earned through games that promoted gun usage. From there, I proposed a portion of that money should go to the victims and their families of gun related crimes. But this is how we get things done. By taxing these guys, they’re going to stop marketing our kids with murder porn, and will rub their two brain cells together and come up with more innovative, creative, and wholesome content that will not teach them to salivate at the sight of death and suffering.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FVONTN7NFYTGM7O4B4QIGRMWAU Ling Ling

    School shooters always have Asperger’s Syndrome.  Just don’t give guns to those people!  Do some DNA testing and see what other common traits they all have!

  • Anonymous

    Did you all think about the consequences of what you proposed?

    First, let’s give the federal government more power over private industries because they don’t have enough already, that sounds brilliant.

    Also, let’s raise the taxes on video game makers, that’ll show them, oh no wait, they’ll just pass it along to the consumer, who will still pay the price but in lesser numbers, the games will just be pirated instead.

    How about you raise your kids without being able to play video games, and let other people make their own decisions about how they think their kids should be raised?

    Honestly, you lot just look to find someone to blame, some way to make sense of something that is completely senseless.

    Edit: I kind of wonder if some of you actually watch/listen Glenn’s show. He constantly says don’t take his word for it, do your own research. How about you lot go do your own research, check facts and figures, but more importantly, talk to people, ask your friends and neighbors. Do your kids do this? Are they mass murdering psychopaths? Clearly you forum warriors simply express yourselves here as opposed to actually finding out how the real world is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/darryl.vanderklein Darryl Vanderklein

    First of all Glenn, there have been kids killing kids for as long as
    there have been adults killing kids, look into the “kids crusades”.
    Technology is I believe one of the few areas I don’t see eye to eye with you on, the human mind is preconditioned to be drawn to violent acts,
    sublimating these with video games actually lessens the desire for
    violence in most. Excepting of course the mentally handicapped, trauma
    cases,  or just people who never had parents dedicated to teaching them
    strong moral principals. Glenn, usually you espouse blaming the person
    not trying to find blame in a tool, but it seems you’ve gone back on
    that in this one instance. I mean if witnessing violence makes us
    violent, then why haven’t I killed anyone yet? I grew up with some of
    the most brutal and graphic horror movies, and video games as pretty
    much my sole babysitter after my dad left us and my mom had to work two
    jobs to support our family. I mean, I went to sleep watching John Carpenter  and Stanley Kubrick movies. I played Mortal Kombat, watched Beavis and Butthead, was a geek ,was mistreated,
    even violently abused. I still never felt driven by any of that to kill
    anybody. Why is this? Because I had a Christian mother who raised me to
    respect life and to know the difference between reality and fiction(she
    didn’t know I watched those movies by the way, I had a secret account
    at the video store). Parents and how they educate their children along with the personal choices of those children are to blame and nothing more.
    I am saddened by this, as I am a long time fan, and this is the first
    time I have found you contradicting yourself in this manner. Still, if
    that is all we disagree on, there is still common ground enough to work
    together in opening people’s eyes to the real problem of divergence from
    moral values being applied in everyday life. By the way, violent video
    games were the only outlet I had for the abuse that I endured in my
    teenage years, and if I hadn’t had them I can guarantee you, this would
    be a different conversation. In a word, they’re the only reason my
    father is still breathing. He’s since changed a great deal and I’ve
    forgiven him since he has given his heart to Jesus. Now I am proud to
    say I have as well and for the first time in years I have a family, make
    that two families that I can be proud of. 

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  • http://twitter.com/number9r Roseann

    Three words: Schools, Terrorists and Beslan.

    Beslan is burned into my memory.

    Hope you consider re-visiting this topic in the near future. With terrorists among us and merged with gangs, and when they get their jihad orders to unleash on our soil -again, we need to be prepared.  Our schools, teachers and parents, but mostly, our kids, need to be prepared.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1646944438 Chantelle Stark Kroll

    Food! All the chemicals inserted in the “food” supply need to be addressd. If I give my son even a tiny bit of food dye he turns into a crazy, violent kid. He’s had basically no video game exposure….we own no systems. We homeschool. He’s a brilliant child but the food dies, additives and preservative really throw him into an evil state.  Many other countries do not allow these things in their food. A friend of a friend in Russia recently had he opportunity to talk to a Russian citizen and the first question he asked the American was, “What is this that I hear the American government is allowing its people to be poisioned with the stuff they allow into the food?”    

  • Jeff

    Every gun owners manual says always keep guns (even unloaded) pointed in a safe direction.  So firearms DO NOT kill if used as intended.

  • Jeff

    Every gun owners manual I’ve ever seen say always keep it (even when unloaded) pointed in a safe direction.  So they DO NOT kill if used as intended.  Defensive firearms are used correctly when used to STOP an assailant, sometimes resulting in death, but that is not neccessarily the intent.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nina.long3 Nina Long

    I happen to agree a lot with what Mr. Grossman brought forward.  We definitely need armed security in our schools. They can be administrators or teachers, but definitely trained.  I don’t believe any gun laws are going to stop these kind of massacres. And even if we collect all guns, the mental illness (evil) that would perpetrate such terror would still exist.  We have a government that sells/ships guns and other lethal weapons to other countries.  We have open borders that allow all the filth from other countries to come in. And I don’t mean the Mexicans who are honestly seeking a better life. How long before the filth looks at our “NO GUNS” schools and decides to attack our most precious?  Has 9/11 been completely forgotten? 
    What our youth are being exposed to is of great concern to me. Movies, video games do play a big part in desensitizing all who watch and play.  And then when there is no morale guidance from either parents or religious upbringing, I believe the balance has been changed for more evil.
    Thank you Lt. Col. Grossman  for sharing this message.  I for one will do my best to spread the word. 

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  • Anonymous

     Bob, I am sorry you are so naive about these matters. Had you done any research on Lt Col Dave Grossman any fool could see the validity of his work and his credentials. I will not embarrass by listing his credentials here, but let you look for them on your own should you choose to become educated. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/jenn.homanbaldwin Jenn Homan-Baldwin

    Thank you Steve.  I struggled to find a concise response to Bob.  You nailed it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Serventine David A Whitesell

    The United States is second to last on video game spending, yet highest on the chart for gun violence.  If increased video game consumption was the problem then surely South Korea should nearly have wiped themselves out by now? The truth is in the math! I’ve played violent video games since I was 13 or younger, in yet if I see a fly drowning in my pool I’ll skim it out.  MENTAL HEALTH AND THE INABILITY TO DISCERN REALITY is the problem, please leave us sane people to consume the entertainment we enjoy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Serventine David A Whitesell

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  • Anonymous

    Perhaps someone needs to spend some time reading the headlines beyond the ones posted on local media.  The same day that the tragedy occurred in Sandy Hook, a man walked into a school in China and stabbed multiple children with a knife.  The problem goes way beyond guns or access to guns.  The problem is with our countries and the worlds treatment of the mentally ill. We need to look at the problem from that angle.  If we try and address the issue by restricting guns, we will only be taking guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens.  Criminals will continue to get guns no matter what laws are put into place, and as shown in China, a gun is not needed for a tragedy like this to happen.   

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  • Jeff Lagemann

    Bob the level of stupidity in your post is breath taking.

    1-Dave Grossman hardly has to get his name out there.  Try googling this guy.  He has been at this for years.  He is hardly a charlatan as you insist.  This guy is a leading authority in this field.  

    2-Game ratings.  So you are telling me that those rating are enforced or even looked at?  Give me a break.  I guarantee that any child can go into any store and buy any game regardless of ratings.  99 times out of 100.

    3-I don’t recall Grossman mentioning Va tech and video games specifically.  However if you don’t think that video games can condition our kids you are a fool.  Police and Military use Fats systems for training.  Those are simply large screen video games.  Now Police and Military would not be doing it if it didn’t work.

    I like to play Call of Duty.  Good game(however my 9 year old son is not allowed any where near the game) However it shocks even a jaded guy like me.  In one scene you are inserted with the Russian mob.  Your task is to walk through a airport and shoot unarmed citizens.  When that scene popped up I was shocked, and quite frankly offended.  Of course people like Bob does not feel that it would have an affect on anyone.

    See idiots like you listen to these people and all you hear is video games.  Grossman is not saying that if you play a violent video game you will become a mass murder.  What he is saying is that the conditioning allows it to become easier.  No not every kid that plays violent video games will be a mass murder, but it certainly can be a catalyst.  

    I work in a local high school.  There is definitely been a decline in sympathy and compassion towards others in the younger generation(For you obtuse morons No that does not mean every kid, just on a whole).  As a whole the younger generation are far more self centered and narcissistic than my generation was, and I have not been out of high school all that long ago. 

    Ultimately the problem is not guns, or even video games(although they don’t help).  The problem is us.  We have changed.

  • Jeff Lagemann

    You didn’t even bother to watch the interview did you?  It is going on everywhere.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003585164105 Rick Crotchety Old-Grouch Garr

    Switzerland!  Damn near every house has a state issued TRUE assult rifle and ammo.

  • Anonymous

     You all make such giant leaps with your conclusions. “I guarantee that any child…” “As a whole the younger generation…” “We have changed.” And then you call other people idiots. How do you know such things? Where is the data regarding the percentage of underage kids legally purchasing video games rated for adults? Where is your narcissism data, if that can even be quantified? Every generation bemoans the next. If you recall, social critics like Christopher Lasch criticized the “culture of narcissism” of the 1970s. Tom Wolfe labeled it the “me decade.” Would you not say that libertarian individualism ultimately promotes narcissism?

    People get a “sense” of something, they “feel” it, and somehow that becomes a viable substitute for ‘knowing’ and ‘learning.’ Reminds me of GB and his acolytes who just ‘knew’ Mittens would win the election, when all you had to do was read the poll analysts to see that even by late October it was over.

    Sure, this guy has a good point and he seems credible. He’s using social science to posit a theory. And it seems like a plausible theory. But it’s not the last word, he’s not the ultimate authority, and there are many other reputable social scientists who disagree. I would think conservatives would be most skeptical of any scientific data–social or biological or physical or whatever. Evolution? Climate change? And the guy teaches at a big bad university–one funded by the big bad federal government. Oh, but it’s military, so that doesn’t count, right?

    You all should proofread before you start calling other people idiots. I feel sorry for the children at your school. Hopefully you’re just the janitor. Either way, I still love you. 

     

  • Draxx

    MDE440, I liked your response to Bob, you are right about he is wrong and has no idea…

    He is blindly following along on the mantra of the game designers intent, follow blindly without any critical thinking.  I used to teach in the Army for 7 1/2 yrs and it was all based on getting the soldiers to act without thinking.  The Colonel is right in what he is talking about!  Enough so that I even had my 12 yr old son sit and watch the entire interview with Glenn Beck, so that he too would understand us (the parents point of view).  We have never allowed our son to play Grand Theft Auto, or similar games because of Moral Desensitization (because killing police officers is wrong, and seeing women as no more than sex objects for pleasure is wrong, and so on.).  I did give him a BB Gun and Air Soft Gun to learn how to responsibly handle firearms in the future.  He has been taught that weapons are ONLY for Personal Protection/Defense, and/or possibly the defense of others…

    Kids Need To Learn From Parents and Others the Right and Wrongs of Guns/Violence, the parents that let their kids play those excessively violent games without guidance or restrictions Do Not Really Love Their Kids Enough!

    I Lead By Example and Do Not Do What I Tell My Kids Not To Do!!! And I Do What I Say I Am Going To Do!!!

  • Anonymous

    Bob, you really are an idiot. Games rated “M” shouldn’t be played by anyone. When is a person “old enough” to watch this kind of violence and not be desensitized?
    Get a clue bud. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/janet.a.guthrie Janet Avey Guthrie

    i have 2 grandsons. Both play video games.  One’s mother doesn’t let him play M ones, ,or didn’t until he was almost 12.  Then only certain ones…   The other has been playing them for several yrs now,, the boys are both 11 going on 12 .  The latter one hits and punches and stabs the other w/ whatever they are playing with at the time,, be it plastic swords, guns, of which they have dozens,,, all of the air soft guns…   My point is,, SOME kids get their violent leanings where they get them,, others still have some sense of what’s right and wrong.  GO figure where it comes from.  These kids are first cousins.  One’s mom is more permissive than the other.  The fathers are both not home as much,, working.  So you tell me…. ????  What is the cause and from where does it come?

  • http://twitter.com/MentalAmmo Mental Ammo

    Bob – Col Grossman does not NEED to drum p biz or get his name ot there.  He is on the road training cops and military folks over 300 days per year BECAUSE he is PASSIONATE about this issue.  That is over 300 days a year away from his family.  WAKE UP BOB!  Educate yourself – then post.

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    I play video games some of them I will admit are to violent for my taste but others are not that bad. I don’t believe that games had no influence on this attack because the guy was already crazy. I am not any of these things that Glenn said we gamers are and I agree with him most of the time. It is the mental health system that failed us that day. It even sound like his mother try to do the best she could. Blaming video games for this shooting is no better than blaming the guns he used. I might not go for the more rip your head off type games but it is still protected under freedom of speech and we cannot not pick and choose what rights we should defend even if we disagree with what is right in front of us we should defend their right to do so. You don’t like it then don’t buy it let your money do the talking.

  • http://www.facebook.com/castroist.rebel Castroist Rebel

    Nice cookie cutter counter-argument. Is that what you plan to tell to the victim’s parents? That it’s better their kids got shot up then mean ole’ government be involved ever ever?

    Games are already expensive, and piracy has pretty much reached it’s peek because it’s far more impractical then you might think. But you watched the same video I did, about how these are condtioning tools, and our children are being conditioned to be killers. So yes, the ones marketing the conditioning of mass murder should be regulated. Video games have hardly any regulation at all and commit more market fraud, money laundrying, and market allocation then we could count. The programming world is one big criminal enterprise and it is within government’s legal and rightful power to limit them before they get out of hand. (Which they already have) Your arrogance about government is less of a political position and more like a religion. Painting government out to be your metaphysical devil, when in fact government can do a lot of good when it is ordained by people and not corporate or foreign interests.

  • http://www.facebook.com/castroist.rebel Castroist Rebel

    I’d hardly call South Korea the pinnacle of sanity. Aren’t they the ones who die of exhaustion from not getting up from a Starcraft mission?

    Video games have a hazardous effect on people’s mental state. It may not necessarily be violent, but it’s there. Like any other drug. No one is trying to ban your games drug addict, we’re just saying they need to be better regulated, taxed, and some of that money go to fixing the damage they started.

  • Anonymous

    I take your point but admittedly you are desensitized to violence.  In a game or movie it is called violence. in real life it is called a loved one losing their life.  i agree that violent video games and movies, coupled with the access to weapons does not mean a child will grow up to be a killer, but i don’t think anyone is saying that if a person entertains themselves this way they will have a level 10 episode traced  directly back to the entertainment alone. I think the point is people by nature are effected by what they see. good or bad. Watching a violent act committed against another person, animated or not, will effect the human mind. Over time the wrong person viewing these images will create a situation where human life is taken. So why does our society focus so much on how “the violence is not affecting me”?
    let’s advocate a society where we shoot targets for entertainment, not play graphic games and watch horror movies where the life of a soul is taken by the soulless, and kids have access to things we pretend wont have any effect on them.
    ps. I’m an accurate shot too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/castroist.rebel Castroist Rebel

    By letting money do the talking, we’ve let children die by the hands of the CT killer, The Joker, etc. I’m glad to see so many coming to the aid of mass murder not to at all regulate the things that set them off and turn them into blind animals rampaging until they burn out.

    I bet you slightly grinned at the wheeping, the loss, and the pain inflicted upon those parents too. Because need I remind you these were CHILDREN. That doesn’t just mean innocent people died, it means the potential future of America died. But all you care about is “Oh God, I hope they don’t blame my video game drug!” You’re selfish and immature.

    And don’t give me freedom of speech either. If video game companies believed in freedom of speech they wouldn’t ban people all the time. Did you hear about the story of some kid getting banned for his city listing being named Gay? It was his real city name. Not that it should have mattered either way, what with us being free and all right? Or does freedom only apply to you, your drug dealer video game companies, and the CT killer?

    You have a very twisted definition of voting power, freedom, and the role of government and private enterprise. No wonder you’re so sympathetic to the mass murderers.

  • http://youtu.be/XEjnyMyJYTI Sam Fisher

    What in the moronic hell are you talking about.

  • http://youtu.be/XEjnyMyJYTI Sam Fisher

    By the way I am a supporter of the Constitution not mass murders get it right asshole.

  • http://youtu.be/XEjnyMyJYTI Sam Fisher

    One more thing I also find this hypocritical coming from a guy that has Castro name on his screen name and all I am going to say to your stupidity is prove it that video games was the cause of his rampage and not HIS MENTAL ILLNESS HE ALREADY HAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you even think before you talk?

  • http://twitter.com/Kateshon Kateshon

    Thank you David Grossman.

  • Anonymous

    Bob, like a lot of people you miss the central point of LTC Grossman’s studies and conclusions.  He never said it was all about video games, it is about de-sensitizing mass groups of people to violence.  Don’t feel special because you didn’t go out and kill anyone, but even you realize that you are de-sensitized.  The lethal combination of de-sensitization from video games, movies, gangster rap and the like won’t have a uniform affect on every single person – just as not every smoker gets lung cancer.  There is more to it than your simplistic take.

    I have heard LTC Grossman speak probably 4 times, read both his books, went through a training course conducted by him and a course he put out on DVD.  I am  former 82nd Airborne, work in the area of threat protection at government facilities and a lawyer – the de-sensitization Grossman speaks of is very real and I see it constantly.  You are right to argue that it isn’t soley video games, or music, but if you add on thousands of hours of each to a degraded culture, peer pressure, politicians that blame everything but the obvious,  lawyers that try to excuse everything, drugs, alcohol, little parenting, ignoring the multitude of warning signs and event precursors to likely mental illness and you find that most of these factors are present in every mass murder situation.  Despite your thousands of hours of gaming, you may have had actual involved parents, avoided alcohol or drug abuse and through sheer genetic or environmental luck any form of mental illness, but I guarantee you none of the mass murderers did.  While I don’t believe there is a “real” profile on a school mass murderer (although studies by the US Secret Service, Dr. Reid Meloy and others are excellent efforts) you can tick off violent video games/movies/music/culture in most.

  • Anonymous

    Reading this thread and and listening to Beck, it’s all rather amusing. Most of the time commentors, and Beck, foam at the mouth about any kind of government intrusion into people’s lives, but here they are all for it. Video games and movies might desensitize some people to violence, however, that doesn’t mean they are more likely to commit it. What does increase the chances is if someone is constantly bullied and ostracized or they grow up in a family or culture where violence is an every day fact of life and is seen as normal. So when the bullied kid commits suicide or shoots some, or the kid who watched daddy beat up mommy does the same thing, or the kids on the street who see that beating someone up or killing them gets respect, why be surprised? If anything video games are just one aspect of the problem but not the “root cause.” 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_X2NAPSXIXUJPOPPGU6CXVFQFLA Snorri Sturluson

    The interview with Dave Grossman has left me numb and frightened. For I realize that as long as money can be made violent video games and violent movies will be readily available to those who are mentally ill and to those psychopaths that prey on society. Unless parents prevent such conditioned violence in their children, and the government regulates the violent content of what passes for entertainment, more and sundry horror would seem to await. I remember that after the horror caused by Muslims in Beslan, a Russian general indirectly threatened to use nuclear weapons on Muslim Chechnya. Will such become an option when dealing with combined Muslim terrorists, drug cartels and gangs after some atrocity in the U.S.? Must we wait?

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think Beck is calling for government intervention so much as he is calling for parent’s to get off their asses and see what their kids are doing.  The bullying you speak of is exactly what Grossman and Beck are talking about – de-sensitizing kids to violence.  Only this time it’s their parents, fellow students or whomever doing the de-sensitizing.  Again, society (and I mean the government only as a part of that society) and parents need to know WTF is going on in their schools , neighborhoods, towns and in their kids lives.  While you can’t protect them from all the trash and evil out there, if you put your kids first you can protect them from a lot of it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ken-Zmyslo/100000412627644 Ken Zmyslo

    Dave Grossman (and many others) have it right.  The violent video games, violence on TV and in the movies tends to desensitize. Horror movies of years past were psychological thrillers, such as Rear Window, Psycho, and Invasion of the Body Snatchers. There was no visible violence in those movies yet they were thrillers.  Now consider shows like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and Saw, and these video games.  It would be a rather simple thing to correlate; the incidence of violence and when these visibly violent movies and video games started.  Not only can we show the relationship of these items, but also look back at the removal of things like Christian faith and the Ten Commandments from schools and the increase in violence.  Guns were easy to come by from the birth of our country to recent years, for example Lee Harvey Oswald ordered his rifle as a mail order item from a magazine, so why was there so little gun violence in our nation’s past when guns were so easy to come by?  Simple, people respected each other for the most part and we were conditioned to be good by our parents, teachers, neighbors, and even TV.  No so anymore, and “hollywood” makes tons of money from movies and TV.  Violence and sex sells and more violence and more sex sells even more.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1815457097 Rhonda Renee Sessions

    Both you and Shayne83 have failed to recognize one key ingredient, besides your parents teaching you that what you were playing, and viewing, were not real.  What is your relationship with God?  Did your parents instill in you the respect for life?  Did your parents instill in you the importance of the 10 Commandments?  These values and morals are what is missing in these mass murderers’ minds and souls.  The rest of what you two brought up are key, as well, but the most important?  God and His influence on our consciences, and souls.

  • Anonymous

    good points ,but what about people like me that dont believe in god ? i played and still play such games like “PenguinBurrito” and i have guns too,yet iam not running around and shoot everything i see,neither do i need a book to tell me to respect my parents ,not to steal etc etc, to me thast common sence

  • J Cole

    Listening to Glenn Beck’s steady stream of hate and bull$hit is far more detrimental to our society than any video game.

  • Alex M.

    Take a look at:
    http://www.killology.com/print/print_vitae.htm

    Methodology is everything.  While it appears Lt. Col. Grossman has a M.Ed. in Counseling and has abundant military experience, his background in psychology and neuroscience is limited.  His publications aren’t in peer-reviewed journals.  Certainly, there’s some merit to the articles he’s published in various books (and I won’t go as far to call them ‘vanity presses’), but why doesn’t he embrace a more scholarly approach to his work.

    I know that sounds overly pedantic, but if you want to legitimately put forth a new theory in any field, shouldn’t you adhere to the rigorous standards of that science when you do so.  Does his research include MRI scans of individuals as they play video games to see parts of the brain are stimulated as they play?  What about traditional psychological experiments?  It appears his ‘Killology Group’ employs only himself and includes no Psychologists or Nueroscientists proper.  I’m not a psychologist, so I won’t try to over-analyze his research.  I’m also not trying to dismiss everything he says, but I feel calling Bob an idiot for questioning this man’s hypothesis is unwarranted.  Bob and others are merely taking their own real-world experiences and comparing them against his theory.

    On a related note, according to the WSJ (http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/14/ray-kurzweil-joins-google-as-engineering-director-focusing-on-machine-learning-and-language-tech/), Ray Kurzweil is being brought on as a ‘Director of Engineering’ like role at Google.  Certainly his work will involve AI research, but he’s essentially being brought in to manage a lab and consult.  He’s definitely a brilliant engineer and entrepenuer.  However, one of Kurzweil’s claims to fame is that he’s trying to ‘live forever’.  (Google it.  He even wrote a book about it.)  He’s also part-genius/part crank.  I don’t question the ‘spooky’ effectiveness of data mining and machine learning and the legitimacy of Kurzweil’s expertise, but don’t throw out the same single name over and over and extrapolate the entire future of computing based on his single opinion.  Especially, when his ideas are a little on the ‘fringe’.  (For whatever it’s worth, Google can afford to bank roll high-risk, high-yield research.  It’s not like they are completely betting the farm on his work.)

    Believe it or not, I like Glenn Beck, but he loses a little credibility when he only cites one expert for a given subject.  I think his political analysis is insightful, but whenever they began to tread into something outside their expertise they aren’t so dead on.  Especially when covering very technical topics.  Why not bring on someone with an opposing viewpoint?

  • Anonymous

     Are you for real? Take your commie arse somewhere else if you don’t like what he has to say.   Glenn has never spewed any form of hate and if you listened at all you would know that so obviously you’re just spouting leftist drivel.

  • Alex M.

    Well, Abel was a significant percentage of the world’s population at that time. :) 

  • http://www.facebook.com/linhamill Darllinda Hamill

    There’s a couple of you who are so focused on the the fact that you are an exception that you miss the whole big picture.  Whether Mr. Grossman is accurate for 100% or for only 5% of the cases of school shootings doesn’t matter.  If it is accurate for ANY, and unless you have lived on Mars for the last 2 decades, you know it is, then that alone is reason enough to start there with fixing the problem.  My kids, grandkids, neighbors, friends kids, will not be harmed one iota by not watching violent movies or playing violent video games. They will find more wholesome activities. What is the downside of turning it off? Instead of being so butthurt that YOU were unfairly accused of being a mass murderer, why don’t you see the actual point and intent.  Only good can come from us going this further to protect our children, both those who are victims and those who are perpetrators.

  • http://www.facebook.com/SgtDuckyboy James George

    I am glad Bob is in the minority.  He must be a libtard too. they are full of senseless and factless ideas.  We need to get things back to the old days, and his points about how the last 30 years have been astronomically crazy in regards to school shootings by kids just shows the fact,, video games, shoot’em up movies, dual working parents, divorced parents, and the use of the xbox or ps3 or PC as a babysitter has increased the issue,, not the fact guns are there, they always have and will be.

  • Anonymous

    This seriously freaked me out. I’m in highschool, and everyone I know loves all those violent games: halo, MWF, COD, black ops. ect. And it does desensitize you. I hope people will make decisions to limit media time for their kids and themselves.

  • Anonymous

    Penguin Burrito, I understand what your saying and your experience.  In fact, you make great points.  The reality is there is no one “magic bullet” (pardon the pun) to solve this problem.  I believe it problem is due to many different factors.  You list some of them and they include desensitization to violence, not interacting with each other, in fact, I’d say a general loss of appreciation for life.  Even Lego games like Star Wars or Indiana Jones adventure are violent by their nature.

    The answer is in addressing all of these different issues simultaneously.  Turning off the games and playing cards (for instance).  Lose the violence, add personal interaction.  

    Our main challenge is accepting that many of the things that people have fun with, are caustic in the hands of others and we should together protect them as well by not taking our liberty at the expense of someone else’s difficulty in coping.  That is a society that cares for itself through sacrifice.

  • greywolfrs

    Don’t bother, this idiot doesn’t have the first clue what you are trying to say. They don’t have the first clue what the Constitution says or why. They are another dolt that believes in the Constitution until it does not serve their purpose. Just blow-off idiots like them. They go on a sanctimonious tyrade, never realizing their hypocrisy.

  • greywolfrs

    We have laws that require “ratings” on movies AND video games. Parents ignoring those warnings and/or not using “parental controls” on their computers and TVs seems to be the problem. We do not need more government, we need people to start taking PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for their children and themselves, nothing more.

  • Anonymous

    All of you are making some good points. You also are all forgetting one important thing. There is definately EVIL in this world. When I was growing up in the 50′s everyone knew this. Our permissive society of today makes excuses for people’s behaviour. It’s either the parent’s fault or poverty or he was “sick” or anything but one’s own responsibility. The guy that murdered those poor little kids in Connecticut was not sick, He was evil. His mother knew this. Others around him knew this but no one acted to prevent this catastrophy. His mother paid the ultimate price for her inaction. In EVERY tragic case that I am familiar with there was ample warning ahead of time that a disaster was in the making but no one did anything to prevent it. Politicians always slither out of the background and use these catastrophies to further their pet political objectives. Remember Ron Emanuel’s statement: “Never let a good disaster go to waste”.

  • Anonymous

    Many good points here. However, we have to remember what kind of conditioning our peers have onyoung people. That includes parents, the media, entertainment and government. Just look at what’s happening today; Obama is going to act on guns, the media is praising the move and look how many people believe it’s a good idea. Hollywood hardly makes a movie without some violence in it and the actors seem to dodge the bullets as if none were there. How many young soldiers believed that they were invincible during Vietnam? Look at the family structure today, how many single parent families are there? Take a close look at the various gangs of youth and how they think. It all matters and has effects. Look at how many autistic kids there  are compared to the good old days. ALL of these developments are causes of today’s problems. Why doesn’t the government challenge these problems? Maybe it’s because they are more concerned with lining their pockets while they can instead of serving the people who elect them. There is too much corruption in the authorities.

  • Anonymous

    Glenn, I think maybe my local AM station saw your interview.  They actually referred to Sandy Hook as a massacre.  Keep up the good work.

  • http://twitter.com/yarramike mike yarra

    A lot of people are commenting well I watch this and I played that and nothing happened to me.
    That’s great that’s cool but one thing keeps hitting my mind. There was this guy once who was
    asked about his brother and his reply was am I my brother’s keeper. That man was cain GENESIS 4-9. Eaven if you don’t care about GOD or the bible don’t you care about each other.
    I mean is it going to hurt to give up a little of your fun to make sure some one else will not
    kill somebody’s kid. If you like guns get a real one and go to a shooting range that way you can
    be sure no kids can get a hold of it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nick.quinnett Nick Quinnett

    Well this guy is an expert on this kind of thing so i think he knows what he is talking about and he never mentioned any book so i don’t think he is pushing that, basically everything you said is wrong but you did make one good point sometimes there is no answer and people are just evil, however many of the things he said do contribute to this behavior. 

  • Sargonarhes

    I’m willing to bet the Sandy Hook murderer was on some kind of behavior altering drug when he was in school. It’s not reported much by the media, any media for that matter. But it’s been a little known fact that most of these mass murderers were on ‘Ritalin’ or something like it for behavior problems. Yet no one really looks into these things which I think they should, there seems to be the connection that no one is making the case for it.

    I’ve played these violent video games and watched the violent movies. But I have to give credit where it is due, thanks to values instilled in me by my parents and a religious up bringing that life is sacred. I May own guns and have been desensitized by the games and movies, but taking a life with out cause is just plain wrong on so many levels.  

  • Anonymous

     There is no way I can come close to understanding why things like this happen. But I do believe that somebody has many more questions to answer.
     1. This coroner that does not seem to know how to talk to the press or the people needs to come up with some answers like the specific cause and time of death, of the alleged shooter and his mother.
     2. We need to know when the Bushmater rifle was last used, and by whom, before it was put in the trunk of the shooter’s car, and who put it there when.
     3. We need to know more about the “other two shooters”, and/or “people of interest”.
     We need to have these and many other questions answered before we make any rash decisions in this matter.
     

  • Tyler Christiansen

    Ok I grew up playing video games and I always notice a few things that never gets brought up in these talking points. 

    1 Why isn’t anyone bringing up the difference in the context / reasoning / morale / or purpose of violence in these video games? Glenn somewhat hinted at this when he said that with cops and robbers there is a good view of who are the good guys and who are the bad guys. Some video games make the distinction clear while others end up blurring the line between good and bad / good and evil, or worse end up reversing who are good and bad. Grand Theft Auto is an extreme example in this regard.

    2 Was the person’s parents correctly teaching them the difference between good and bad like they’re supposed too? If you never had an adult figure telling you what was right and what was wrong than how would you know any better?

    3 Did the person have a metal health issue? After the Columbine the Secret Service did a study on school shootings “an analysis by officials at the U.S. Secret Service of 37 premeditated school shootings found that bullying, which some of the shooters described “in terms that approached torment,” played a major role in more than two-thirds of the attacks.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/15/AR2006051501103.html

  • Anonymous

     i’m an atheist.
    i’ve played violent video games and watched war movies my entire life, and im pretty much a pacificist.
    and the stats don’t back up your point either

  • Anonymous

     the mentally ill are not evil, and he snapped b/c she was going to put him in a mental hospital

  • Anonymous

     the military and cops use video games not as conditioning, but as a cheap way to train.
    but yeah we are more narcissistic, but i don’t think that contributes to school shootings, it contributes to unemployed medieval studies majors whining about not being able to get a job.

  • Anonymous

     and those little kids kick ass and talk tons of trash
    i hate them

  • Anonymous

    I had the honor and privilege of meeting LTC Grossman and attending a class by him at a psychotherapy conference last year. This man is the undisputed guru of “killology”. I have the first edition of his book “On Killing”. This is the go-to resource on killing and why we have violence as part of our daily life. Please take his words to heart. 

  • Anonymous

    From a strictly psychological perspective, there’s not much question that video games plays a role.  However, I’ve played video games practically my entire life.  I think perhaps a big difference is what you are playing.  I’ve played things like Legend of Zelda, Pokemon, Tales, Super Mario, Sonic, and Final Fantasy.  In those games, you rarely fight humans, it’s usually monsters.  If you do fight a human, you only kill them if you have no other choice.  I remember when I was about 14, I was in the video game section of Wal-Mart when a child, couldn’t have been older than 7, walked up to his mother and asked for a Grand Theft Auto title.  She agreed.  I politely told her that I didn’t mean to butt in, but informed her that the game had the players committing violent car-jackings, killing police officers, and picking up prostitutes.  She told me she didn’t care what he played and walked of to the counter to buy it.  This is where I think the difference lies.  Our problem is not video games or violent movies themselves.  It’s that we have a culture that no longer believes in right or wrong as two different things with clear and unchangeable lines dividing them.  The culture teaches us believe in shades of grey with subjective right or wrong, and that’s why we are more willing to accept media like video games, movies, and TV that reflect that view.

  • http://www.facebook.com/james.spradling.35 James Spradling

    The difference is, you have never fought with someone who is REALLY shooting back at you! That makes a coward out of most. When you fire on someone in a game, you may be killed virtually, but not physically. This does change one’s perspective a great deal. When having to pull the trigger on another human being, most NORMAL people, like you, would hesitate. That’s as it should be. Crazies will always disregard this and do whatever they fantasize to be in their best interests. The only way to deal with them, is for their intended victims to be armed. Kill them before they kill more innocent people. That was actually a part of the code of the old west in the 1870′s to 1890′s.

  • landofaahs

    How? We have laws against murder, but they don’t seem to mind breaking that law. What makes you think they will obey any other?

  • landofaahs

    They did not have guns but history shows that mass murder was committed without the use of a gun. Samson even slew thousands witht he jawbone of a liberal(ass).

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XDEBMBTRDS7VN5G4CJUSFW2MFI Citizen with Common Sense….

    The problem is that you can’t lock up the insane until they do something worth being incarcerated for. Everyone groing up had that crazy neighbor’s kid that killed stray cats. What can you do? Right now you have to wait until the psycho does somthing psychotic before anything can be done.   

  • Anonymous

    If they don’t have access to assault rifles, they can’t do as much damage.

  • landofaahs

    Really? Timothy MCVey used fertilizer and diesel to kill a heck of a lot more. Frankly you are just…stupid.

  • Take 2

    what does the fact that a person is or claims to point out being an atheist mean? We are all born with the same grace from God or call it largest brain in Nature. 

    If a child is raised Islamist and later Communist-Atheist or Nazi… as an Adult what are the odds of being a Christian who is against Abortion-Abortion drugs-Condoms-Murder and hit list-lies like a dog-over spending other folks monies is funny, and forcing other folks to buy stuff they do not wish purchasing or can afford?   

     IF, the above peson is saved via a Rev. Wright or Sharpton is this person exempt from following Gods original path here on earth?  Does a person have a right to act out as trained as a child but ask for forgiveness of God on a daily bases. Meaning, the example acts out same lies over and over most every day-orders murders time to time-next day indicates not the same person. as raised-next year tells folks ‘not’ for all the above but time to new time for vote picks and chooses or purchases Condoms and phrases Abortion. Caught in a second Murder case cover up and lies that it was a movie.   

    No not all folks or kids will act out like the parent or kill over being raised by a killer . Most times or many-many times do act out and follow similar habits-diet-faiths or non-faiths paths.

  • http://youtu.be/XEjnyMyJYTI Sam Fisher

    I don’t get these types of people I really don’t. The first amendment is one of the most important parts in the constitution and they want to throw it under the bus every time they see something they disagree with or when some quack tells them that it is evil. It like they like the left want to ignore the route cause of the problem and half the problem is this trophy mentality that are shoved in my generations face the second half is the stupid government who tells our children don’t listen to your parents do whatever the hell you want as long as it feels right. Then the other thing is the guy was nuts to begin with but no side wants to face that fact and are just looking for someone to blame.

  • cigarbaron

    The movie Looper came out in September 2012. In it The main character portrays killing three small kids. Could this have sparked something in the killers mind? deserves a discussion.

  • Anonymous

    Other weapons still exist, so why do anything. We may as well allow people to have nukes, because they can buy knives. Good thinking.

  • Anonymous

    I am a Police Officer and have used the FATS training system several times. It is important to note that we use the FATS machine to train for situations that could/may happen, not to condition us to be able to kill easily or easier. This training could not easily be done in a “real world” situation as it can in video format. I have also attended training classes hosted by Lt. Col. Grossman and have read his books. I can assure everyone he is not a charlatan or peddler for personal gain and the man knows his stuff. He merely points out that video games, movies, etc contribute to these problems by slowly and methodically desensitizing people, specifically young impressionable children, to violent behavior.  

  • Anonymous

    What a simplistic comment. Have you heard about the Norway shooter? How about the Chinese man that stabbed (approx) 22 children at about the same time as the Sandy Hook incident? The ONLY reason more children did not die in that event was that he targeted poorly.

  • Anonymous

    Get LtCol Grossmans book “On Killing”. It explains his views alot better ten this short article. I had the same opinion after I went to his seminar and changed my mind after reading the book.

  • Anonymous

    There is no way I want our politicians determining what is “proper caution”. My guns are in my home, not all of them are locked in a safe because I will probably not have the time to get to the safe and open it when the bad guy comes knocking. There is no way I should be held liable in civil court, which has a lower standard of guilt, if someone commits an illegal act to get a gun of mine. Good grief, just think what I might owe if they stole my steak knife!

  • Anonymous

    Refer to my earlier response to you in which I brought up the Chinese man killing many childen using a knife.

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  • Anonymous

    Actually, ZERO children were killed in that Chinese attack because there were no guns. Thanks for proving my point.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, the one where ZERO children were killed because there were no guns. NO CHILDREN WERE KILLED.
    It proves my point very well indeed. Thanks for bringing it up again.

  • http://youtu.be/XEjnyMyJYTI Sam Fisher

    Could not agree with you more and I thought we could agree
    on anything. I am a Christian but watch war movies I play violent video games. I
    don’t know about you but when I have a really bad day a good game or a good book
    makes me forget how bad my day really was. There is very little evidence to
    support that video games make people violent. I never felt like shooting
    someone in the head or drinking someone’s blood. I hate to say it but I think
    this is the rights forum of gun bans. Instead of focusing on the real issue of mental
    illness both sides attack things they do not understand and more children will
    die because both sides refuse to see the mental illness side of the story. 

  • Alice Cheshire

    While research on violent video games may be inconclusive, the effect of advertising on people is well-documented.  If a clever ad can talk you into buy Brand A over Brand B, it seems likely video games do have some effect.  It is clearly more difficult to convince people to act on the urge to kill than to buy Brand A.  More exposure is necessary and other factors enter–how isolated or distant the person is from society, the moral compass of the individual and whether or not he is mentally ill.  The more society becomes pulled into social media as a substitute for real social interaction, families rotate parents in and out like musical chairs and children have fewer and fewer people they can count on, the chances of violence increases.  This is evident in the effects of cyber bullying–children commit suicide after being taunted online.  They have no way to fight back and are being told they are helpless against the bully–someone needs to save them.  That takes away the child’s power.  In addition, trying to suppress and/or deny our violent nature, rather than to channel it or control it, leads to more of these breakdowns.

  • Anonymous

    the one problem is they took god out of schools. another thing is violent
    video games and ads for movies i seen on TV  the teenagers shouldn’t even watch
    i won’t even watch the movies to violent. the problem is young adults play and watch these
    movies and get on social networks on the internet. they think its a game or movie not real
    but than when they do it for real they don’t realize it it hurts and kills people.
    then they end up with mental problems. 

  • http://youtu.be/XEjnyMyJYTI Sam Fisher

    Very reasonable response. 

  • http://youtu.be/XEjnyMyJYTI Sam Fisher

    This article that thinks that video games turn people into violent zombies that hate human life. Tell me Glenn and others posting if we gamers are so desensitized from the world’s problem then why did we gamers give over five million to charity to help sick children in hospitals. If I was so desensitized to the world then why did I risk my own life at the age of sixteen to save a strangers life that flipped his SUV over in my neighbors field to save him and after running a field a half a mile to save this man then finding out that he died on impact and that image is burned into my head to this day and screwed me up more than any video game ever could but yet some here paint us gamers as mindless zombies that just love to kill every living thing and have no room feeling for human life. We are not robots we are human beings just like you! This is one of the few times that I disagreed with Glenn Beck and I don’t give a damn who knows it. I know who and what I am and don’t need to prove myself to anyone. Yes I am a conservative but I now wonder if libertarians are the better way to go after seeing these comments.
    http://misfitpolitics.co/2013/01/gamers-frag-the-narrative/

  • Anonymous

    Well, I had some responses typed up to most of these comment, when I hit backspace and went back to Glenn’s front page. So, let’s try this again:

    Shayne,
    Look, it really shouldn’t be up to me, or you, or anyone else to determine what people in general are and are not allowed to watch. I think we all have a line that we prefer not to cross when it comes to this stuff. I, for example, find the gory movies like Saw to be disgusting and revolting. Movies like The Expendables, on the other hand, are also quite violent, but I really enjoy watching them. I know people who liked Saw, and people that thought The Expendables was too violent. You can’t just draw a line where you want it and expect everyone else to accept that. I think it’s really up to the person (or the person’s legal guardian if they cannot make that decision) to determine what is acceptable to watch.

    Rhonda,
    I tend to approach life from a more logical and scientific perspective, rather than a theological perspective. That is not to say that I deny the possible existence of God or gods, but I also don’t accept it outright. I find this to be a rather interesting topic to discuss, as reasonable arguments can be made for both sides, and there are questions only one or the other can answer. That being said, I do have a respect for life, and I have a strong set of morals, although not the Ten Commandments. It’s funny, I actually went and got ordained from the Universal Life Church online because I thought it would be something entertaining to have when I was in college (and it was), but their message is basically that you should always do the right thing. It’s not necessarily the same for two different people, but you have to do what is right for you. For some reason, out of all the time I’ve heard it before then, that’s the moment it resonated for me. While not being religious, it’s made me a better person.

    Hoschi,
    That’s pretty much how I am too. All of these things are really just common sense, and I don’t see why people need to have a specific set of guidelines and anecdotes so the know what to do.

    Edward,
    Sounds like you’re another good example that there is no (or an extremely small) causal effect between these two things. And you’re right, most of the statistics I have seen also don’t support a relationship between video games and violent behavior. I’m sure that someone here could find some stats that support both sides of the argument, but it’s really irrelevant to the discussion.

    Sam,
    I think a lot of people realize that there is a rather large mental illness factor going on, but I just don’t think they want to deal with it. Can you imagine thinking that your son/daughter is mentally ill and is capable of doing this, then having to send a son/daughter to a mental institution? I am not a parent, so I can’t, but I would imagine it to be a difficult thing to accept, and a difficult action to take. Honestly, we should just take any question people have about making it illegal to own guns, and throw it away. They might be able to take guns in a few parts of the country, but for the most part, it’s not going to happen.

    Hogstrom,
    I don’t think that we can look at the tiniest fraction of the population being affected by something in a negative way, and use that to prevent every single person from using that thing. It doesn’t matter if it’s a video game, a movie, a book, whatever, the bottom line is that these things are not directly causing the person to take an action, and therefor should not be banned from everyone else’s use. Having a gun does not force the owner to shoot someone. People get drunk and drive and kill far more people (including children) than all of these terrible tragedies combined, yet we are not talking about banning either alcohol or cars. If you believe that the games are that big of an effect, both are cases of a person being affected by one thing, then using an inanimate object to hurt people. The difference is with drunk driving, it’s usually a very small number of people that are hurt or killed, and it’s often in the middle of the night. Obviously drunk drivers don’t mean to hurt anyone, but their judgement is impaired from the alcohol. Personally, I’m not going to accept a ban on alcohol, cars, video games or guns. I enjoy them all, just not at the same time (well, maybe alcohol and video games on occasion), and this may be selfish, but there is no reason for me to sacrifice any of these, as I exercise responsibility with them.

    James,
    No, I have never fought someone who is shooting back at me, and I hope I never have to. The reality is that it does happen though. I don’t know for sure how I would react in a situation. I would hope that I wouldn’t panic too much, and that I could react in a controlled manner. These first person shooter games cannot prepare you for a real life situation, but thanks to the games, I have seen, thousands of times, albeit all fake and with no real consequences, a person pointing a gun at me, and have been conditioned to aim and fire. In a life or death situation, where it’s going to be either me or them that walks away, quite frankly, I’d be happy to have any advantages, no matter how small.

    Gunnerdogg,
    I have thought about this quite a bit, and formed my own decision on the topic. I believe I have been pretty consistent on it as well. I would have to see some very compelling evidence for me to accept that I may be wrong. I seriously doubt that this evidence even exists. I don’t particularly want to spend any of my money on the guy’s book since it goes to directly support his claims. While I, and many others like me, may have a reasonable voice in this (even if we disagree on some things), he is the one with the publicity and the money behind him, and I don’t plan on helping him out.

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  • Anonymous

    glenn, you are a spoiled little puppet…
    you are too much of a bitch to own a weapon, but you have no problem hiding behind your thugs who do…
    you scream to protect gun rights because one of the only sponsors who has stayed with you during your downfall are the gun lobbies…
    This is why you will never tell the truth…
    If you want to stop these pointless shootings, take away the guns.  

  • Guest

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    When did you abandon your family for the boozing girlfriend strtlk?

  • Guest

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  • Tyler Christiansen

    This is an excellent point. Keep in mind that I also grew up playing video games also. I had an incident where I had watched a video of terrorists beheading someone. I almost got sick and that clip kept popping up in my head for three days afterwords. I don’t think I could make myself watch it again. I almost feel like crap just thinking about it. In the end I got hella mad and angry that there are people in this world that would do this and felt that justice had do be done about this.

    At least Sam Fisher here had the initiative and ability to do something when he saw that someone had an accident. Most other people would have just called the cops and do nothing else. In fact I read an article once where research pointed out that people that played video games often were more likely to stay calm and be pro-active during and after an accident or emergency. While many others were likely to panic and lock-up, coincidence?  

  • J Cole

    I agree with the poster below, Glenn Beck is a little bitch. He does nothing but sit behind his mic and spew bullshit hate rhetoric to his Nazi bible-thumping followers…the same people who think that communism and socialism are the same thing, yet don’t realize that they live in red welfare states who are dependent on government money to survive.

    Him and his followers really are the lowest fucking denominator in our society, and they are laughed at by the rest of the world on a daily basis. No wonder he failed at buying Current TV.

    LOL

  • Tyler Christiansen

    Alright, that does it! I’ve got to say something here.

    1. I’ve been playing video games since I was a kid. Including the ever so evil Grand Theft Auto.
    2. I was in the Army and did 18 months total in Iraq, did Infantry work the whole time.
    3. I own 2 assault rifles and 2 pistols.
    4. I own a Concealed Carry Licence and I do carry my pistol often.

    Despite all of that I NEVER KILLED ANYONE. What’s the key factor? (Final Jeopardy Music)

    IT’S THAT I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT IS REAL AND NOT REAL!!! 

    Why are we not considering that there are people out there that are either mentally ill / had bad parents or adult figure / or just weren’t raised correctly period?  Adam Lanza’s mother was trying to have him put into a mental ward. Clearly there was something wrong with this guy. Better profiling and observing skills may have detected that there was something wrong with Adam faster and sooner and this whole thing may have not happened at all. The problem here is that people did notice that there was something wrong with Adam and either did nothing / didn’t do enough / or acted way too late. This is the same thing that happened with Colimbine and Virginia Tech. yet here we are again. Start being a part of the solution rather then being part of the problem!!!

  • J Cole

     “IT’S THAT I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT IS REAL AND NOT REAL!!! ”

    And you didn’t need a bible jammed down your throat to know right from wrong, either.

  • Anonymous

    Answer me this. Japan has far more video games of even more explicit violence than we have here. They had 11 gun killings in 2008. That was a big year!! The year before it was 2!! People who listen to Glenn Beck’s “experts” and buy into what they are saying must wake up.

  • landofaahs

    Frankly, we could not avoid suitase nukes from coming into the country because odumbass will not secure the borders. Are you ready for that? If not then your comment is senseless.

  • landofaahs

    Since you are so worried about people making their own nukes which is rediculous, I will show how moderate I am by allowing that exception, now you kindly allow us all other weapons in case we need to fight off opressive tyrants. Thank you in advance for you moderated concession.

  • Anonymous

    Bush and other republicans were worse about open borders, you partisan ahole, and wtf do nukes have to do with assault rifles?

  • Anonymous

    Yeah that’s what the shooter in Connecticut was doing, fighting off oppressive tyrants.

  • http://www.facebook.com/darryl.vanderklein Darryl Vanderklein

    The only problem is that people are going to kill regardless of what anyone does or doesn’t give up. That flawed logic inadvertently leads to a fascist state wherein more people are killed. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/darryl.vanderklein Darryl Vanderklein

    Actually human instinct is geared towards violence, especially in males. Take away fictional violence and you’re more likely to get real violence not the other way around.

  • Anonymous

    the level of access violent individuals or the poor bastards with mental illnesses have to guns in this country is much higher than elsewhere, but we value our liberties and the right to bear arms is important. I would agree with you in focusing on the other factors, as both being more effective and maintaining the second amendment.
    I don’t think anyone can say gun access is not a contributing factor, but the right to own firearms is not something i’d be willing to give up for at best a little bit more security (same with the frickin TSA)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AJZ3WRB24SQVFCFQYWD2SYHWYM snibbles

    For the sake of our country would people even consider getting rid of thier violent video games and stop watching the violent movies. You parents may have been great but alot of our kids have had their minds saturated with this trash for a very long time. 
     God help us .

  • Anonymous

    If God were in the home and school officials were trained to
    carry weapons, as they are required for CPR, first aid, and evacuations – these
    tragedies would not happen. Since government won’t promote family virtues and
    they can’t undo the 2′nd amendment they must secure the schools. Then the
    sociopaths would use softer targets, like malls or theaters. 

     

    Ask any adult from a broken family what makes youth so angry,
    defiant and pathological enough to commit such carnage. Learn from them. They
    will tell you what it feels when their mother is sharing her marriage bed with
    a man not their loving father or their father leaving their loving mother for a
    younger woman and shack up together in their home. 

     

    I
    know. Been there. Done that. Only a miracle kept me from doing damage
    other than to myself. In 1945, when I was 14, there were no video games!

  • Anonymous

    If God were in the home and school officials were trained to
    carry weapons, as they are required for CPR, first aid, and evacuations – these
    tragedies would not happen. Since government won’t promote family virtues and
    they can’t undo the 2′nd amendment they must secure the schools. Then the
    sociopaths would use softer targets, like malls or theaters. 

     

    Ask any adult from a broken family what makes youth so angry,
    defiant and pathological enough to commit such carnage. Learn from them. They
    will tell you what it feels when their mother is sharing her marriage bed with
    a man not their loving father or their father leaving their loving mother for a
    younger woman and shack up together in their home. 

     

    I
    know. Been there. Done that. Only a miracle kept me from doing damage
    other than to myself – after never seeing a video game!

  • http://www.facebook.com/TopAssistant Frank Livingston

    You might want to become more aware of the challenges we will have if Obama takes our guns, registers them, track them, etc. We need to look at our nation’s and world history in this discussion. 
    Go to YouTube and watch: Innocents Betrayed ☼ The True Story of Gun Control

    Then watch: Suzanna Gratia Hupp explains
    meaning of 2nd Amendment! 

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  • TylerDurden

    This Grossman sounds incredibly ignorant. Video games do not cause violence. That’s it. No study has ever proven that they do. If they did, wouldn’t there be thousands, if not millions of kids going on murder rampages? And as far as his notion of using video games for marksmanship training, I seriously question whether he has shot a real gun before.

  • TylerDurden

    What violent video games did Charles Whitman play?

  • Anonymous

    I was raised in Washington State when HANGING people was the accepted style of Execution.
    As a kid, I could tie a thirteen wrap hangman’s noose like a pro, and we kids did it often. We didn’t have VIDEO games to play with back then. Now that I’m much older, and can think for myself, I look at killing (execution) differently. When young you’re taught that, by our laws, killing (execution) is OK. There are some “quotes”that I heard somewhere that went something like this: “THOU SHALT NOT KILL” and “VENGEANCE IS MINE SAITH THE LORD”.
         Years ago a man was nailed to a CROSS and was slit open with a sword to execute him.
    We’ve come a long way since then, or have we? Now, we strap the person to a cross shaped
    stand (table), and inject chemicals to KILL them. When young, children learn from those around
    them and the environment (system), they are in, not just VIDEO games. Many still ask GOD
    to BLESS our country. Might ask first for forgiveness, and then to also help us change our UN-GOD like ways. That includes myself, as I’m a scum-bag from western Washington also,
    Glenn.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TopAssistant Frank Livingston

    Maria; Why don’t you stop this crap and stay on topic?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andy-Hurd/52305984 Andy Hurd

    So sitting and holding a controller playing a shooter helps with marksmanship but firing air soft or paintball guns doesn’t? That makes no sense!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andy-Hurd/52305984 Andy Hurd

    Are you a six year old?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andy-Hurd/52305984 Andy Hurd

    Yup simple as that. Why is everyone but you so dumb?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andy-Hurd/52305984 Andy Hurd

    It’s 2013, you can consume your right-wing bigotry through many other mediums.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andy-Hurd/52305984 Andy Hurd

    Stupidest thing I’ve read today. And I’m on glennbeck.com!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andy-Hurd/52305984 Andy Hurd

    I thought you guys were about personal responsibility but you make it sound as if your god controls your life. As if you hadn’t found god at some point you’d be mass-killing because of your lack of ascribing to the “correct” god. Quite pathetic.

  • Anonymous

    The Supreme Court ruled on this issue. It was a 7 to 2 victory for video games. All this blaming video games hogwash is spin for the NRA. If Glenn really wants to help the nation he should start working with Democrats on issues instead of holding the flag for the extreme right. This country of ours is full of moderates who are tired of fringe groups on both sides of the political spectrum controlling our policy makers. Also, I think Glenn has severely misunderstood his audience. I mean, if he’s trying to create a media empire on the web, don’t you think video game players are a big part of that demographic? At least the new generation of conservatives, right? I think he is alienating himself from this new generation, which is good I think.

  • Anonymous

    Here’s a thought from outside the box. Natural (spiritual) laws are every bit as important as physical laws like gravity or the laws of motion. If we fail to obey the laws of gravity we suffer a hard fall. Natural law has consequences just as much as physical law does. We are seeing these consequences in the world today. Men’s hearts do fail them as they cry “peace, peace” but find no peace either within their nations, their families, or themselves. We are swept up in an ever rising tide of changing events of such complexity as to defy the talents of our presumably best and brightest minds. The answer is so clear. We are suffering the consequences of breaking natural law.

  • Anonymous

    A wise man once said:“God loves us too much to let us go on being what we are now, because he knows what we have the possibility to become. It is all part of a journey of going home. Developmentally, we are all the prodigal son. When we really come to ourselves spiritually, we too will say with determination, I will rise and go to my Father.”Neal A. Maxwell
    If we were pigs, we could stay in the pig pen and wallow in the filth. But as humans we have the desire to pull ourselves up and out. That’s what we have to do in the next year. My family will not spend one red cent on a hollywood film that does not make us better human beings. I refuse to allow these hollywood hypocrits to control my children’s destiny any longer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/espinoza.de.5 Espinoza De

    Japan has far worse voilent video games and many more video game players per capita, yet they are not becoming the mass murder capital of the world like America.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly. Because it is very difficult to get guns there.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FVONTN7NFYTGM7O4B4QIGRMWAU Ling Ling

    How do we stop the next Janet Reno?  Remember the innocent children who were burned to death in Waco, Texas? Let’s not forget.

  • landofaahs

    He was mentally ill just like you.

  • landofaahs

    If you could read you would know. I was responding to the typical garbage from the left about the 2nd amemd. about the right to bear arms. The anal comment that the 2nd amend. would allow citizens to have nukes. Please load your brain before you fire off your mouth next time you anal retentive liberal talking head troll.

  • http://youtu.be/XEjnyMyJYTI Sam Fisher

    You can’t stop everything but also they should look into gun safety classes how many times do we have to here about some poor kid shooting themselves by accident because the owner of the gun was careless about putting it away or some hunting accident do to carelessness. It might not stop mass shooting but go a long way of stopping accidental death if people knew how to handle them properly.
    I have a friend who is bipolar and know about what it is like to see someone out of control of their emotions. Tho I don’t blame her being taken away from her parents and shoved to foster home after foster home would drain anyone but she was fortunate enough to get the help she needed but most are not. I feel if we can get these poor people help before the snap we will stop the next shooting but also help the person become a model citizen.

  • http://youtu.be/XEjnyMyJYTI Sam Fisher

    I also read that video games improve hand eye coordination I notice that was true. Before video games I could never play tennis well or baseball but after I can stand toe to toe with people who played the games all their life. I am shock that there is not one guy saying that old game barn storm caused 9/11 that make as much sense as what Glenn was saying here.

  • Anonymous

    I did not prove your point. MY point is that the attacker was horrible with a knife. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57559179/china-school-knife-attack-leaves-23-injured/ Read a few paragraphs and it blows your theory out of the water.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    Yes. Gun attacks and knife attacks are both horrible. But they are not the same. In the knife attack, every child lived. In the gun attack, 20 kids died. Simple as that.

  • Anonymous

    In my perspective it’s a combination of both mental illness and conditioning.  The mental health system in our country is pitiful and there are many ill folks walking around who shouldn’t be, A large percentage of homeless folks are mentally ill and unable to maintain employment so they live where they can manage, on the street.  The weak politicians want an easy fix to a complicated problem that is worldwide. You have to be willing to seriously and objectively research the issues, talk with the experts and weigh all the evidence before coming to a conclusion. The administration saw an opportunity to further their agenda to disarm the country and went into high gear. When countries like China report higher massacre rates than the US and firearms are not involved, hey, is that being considered?  It’s not the tool being used, it’s the individuals and how they got that way.  On the religious front, the government has ordered that God be removed from the public schools. Who benefited from that one? The least perspective to view religion in public settings is they are another method to teach and encourage love, peace, good will toward others and respect. Mass media have many negative effects on people such as certain R or X rated movies; negative perspectitves on topics such as sexualizing women; video games that condition asocial violence with positive reinforcement; magazines that profess sex, drugs, alcohol and defiance to teens, etc. Taking away the average law abiding person’s right and abililty to defend him or her self and to defend his country and Constitution is not the answer, but it’s a whole lot easier.  Mr. Grossman’s perspective was right on.

  • Thomas Schwartz

    I love video games and love and own guns. I am a non-violent person. I was raised in a non-religious household. Religion is not necessary to instill morals. I shudder to think of all the murder done in Christ’s name.

  • Anonymous

    It’s pathetic ONLY to pathetic people like you who don’t believe in a force more powerful than yourself, lol.  How is believing in a higher power pathetic?  No.  What is pathetic, however, is NOT believing in anything beyond yourself.

  • Anonymous

    LOL  Seriously?  England has these shootings and access to guns is pretty close to 0 there.  Knowitsome, actually READ about other countries for once before making such blatantly false statements please.  Access to guns has NOTHING to do with it.

  • Anonymous

    Really?  Firearms kill you if used as intended?  What grass are you smoking, lol?  If firearms are used as intended, NO ONE will die from them.

  • Anonymous

    No you CANNOT.  If psychopaths want assault rifles and big clips, they WILL get them even if such rifles and clips were straight up illegal.  Ever heard of the BLACK MARKET, lol?  Psychopaths can get anything they want. You really are an idiot.

  • Anonymous

    Knowitsome, Bush was trying to ACTUALLY BUILD A FENCE on the border.  How is that worse on open borders than Obama, who instead of building the fence wants to actually take down that fence and invite literally EVERY Mexican into this country ILLEGALLY?  LOL  Seriously, knowitsome, you are a TOTAL moron an know NOTHING.

  • Anonymous

    Yup, ask the UK.  After making it almost impossible to get a gun there, their rate of death by guns actually DOUBLED, lol.  Ask Canada.  Almost immediately after they tightened their own gun control laws, there was a mass shooting there.  Heck, their gun crime rate went up to boot just like England’s did, lol.

    I have yet to see anywhere where tighter gun control laws and less access to guns has NOT led to an INCREASE in gun violence.  Everywhere I see, EVERYWHERE, that lowers its access to guns actually sees an INCREASE in gun violence.  Gun violence here is bad enough, Knownothing.  How bad do you think it will get if we went the way of Europe and Canada on the issue, lol?  If we went their way on the issue and actually lowered access to guns, our own gun violence would double.  Seems you want crime every day on the streets though.

  • Anonymous

    Nope, not really.  They just don’t have much need for guns in Japan, lol.

  • Anonymous

    The only purpose of a handgun is to kill people. It’s not for hunting. Same with an assault rifle, which is a weapon of war, used to kill people.

  • Anonymous

    Lol. Over 10,000 gun deaths last year in the US.
    Fewer than 100 in England.

    What could you possibly be talking about?

  • Anonymous

    Can psychopaths get bazookas and hand grenades? No, they cannot. Your argument is wrong.

  • Anonymous

    Over 10,000 gun deaths in the US last year. Fewer than 100 in England. Let’s get back to reality, shall we?

  • landofaahs

    Answer: Time… You can put up a fence, but if you let everyone in, what is the difference between just letting them all in with or without a fence?….The ball is now in your court.

  • landofaahs

    Oh. by the way. How many months of bitching did conservatives have to go through before Bush finally moved his arse? I remember screaming an yelling to the republican party and onyone else who would listen. The truth is that both sides are corrupt and need to be dragged to a court of PUBLIC TRIAL. I am not a sheeple for either side. WAKE UP. All the District of corruption aholes need to be gathered up.

  • BentGhazi

    How many people in both countries? What’s the percentage of violent deaths of all kinds versus the population counts?

    Or you could simply continue comparing apples and oranges some more – it’s what you people do best.

  • BentGhazi

    You don’t know what you are talking about, but by all means continue posting your reactionary ignorance.

  • BentGhazi

    How many people in both countries? What’s the percentage of violent deaths of all kinds versus the population counts?
    Or you could simply continue comparing apples and oranges some more – it’s what you people do best.

  • Anonymous

    What else are handguns and assault rifles for? Killing people. What else?

  • Anonymous

    speaking of apples and oranges, no one said anything about violent deaths, just gun deaths.
    You people.

  • BentGhazi

    Protecting your own life and those whom you call family.

  • Anonymous

    That’s still killing people.

  • BentGhazi

    People who try to kill others do not deserve flower bouquets and candy-grams. They deserve to die.

  • BentGhazi

    Just answer the question, or is it beyond you to be honest?

  • Todd Scheller

     Under the Second Amendment, does there need to be another reason? both can also be used to hunt with, but that might have skipped your feeble little liberal mind. Try reading D.C. V. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago where the Supreme Court states that the Federal Government and a city cannot restirct you right to PROTECT yourself and family with a HANDGUN.

  • BentGhazi

    First, there is no particular class of weapon that can’t kill, so your premise is stupidity to begin with.

    Even though you do not like it, there are legitimate sporting uses for pistols and semi-automatic rifles. For instance, there are target matches that use them along with shotguns called three gun matches. Handguns and rifles can be used to hunt game, just like archery equipment. So it is apparent you don’t like guns or gun owners, is that your problem?

    What about the problem of criminals and insane people getting their hands on guns? Do you have a plan to deal with them? They are the root of this problem, and you liberal anti-gun people are unwilling to deal with that. I have not heard ONE proposal dealing directly with that. Why do you suppose that is?

    Progressives have hamstrung the system that used to monitor and keep these crazy people in check. Your side is mostly responsible for that. What are you going to do to fix that?

  • BentGhazi

    What? Nothing more to say about that? I know, you have nothing because there is no way you can defend your anti self defense stance and not look like a nutjob.

    Okay by me. Now we all know where you stand.

  • BentGhazi

    I shudder to think of all the murder done in the name of faithlessness.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, the point was those guns have no purpose other than killing people.

  • SoThere

    Atheists are not guiltless, they have killed hundreds of millions of people throughout History.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, you don’t get to keep all weapons, you can’t have bazookas or hand grenades, and soon assault rifles and hopefully handguns will also be banned.

  • BentGhazi

    Yes they have. These new age atheists are blind to their own history.

  • Anonymous

    If guns aren’t available, crazy people won’t be able to get them. Duh.

  • SoThere

    Of course they are, they make all the trumped up garbage about religious people look small when you look at all the people they have killed.

  • Anonymous

    The insane person is the one who obsesses over his safety and fantasizes about situations where he has to defend himself. You’re not Rambo, and the only scary thing is that you think you are.

  • BentGhazi

    No, the point is you are incorrect. Just because you find no use in your life for something you think it gives you the right to decide for others. It does not. There is an inconvenient thing called the Second Amendment that you wish wasn’t in the way, but that’s okay.

    You have made a personal choice not to be armed, and not to protect those you love. It’s a selfish choice, but it’s yours to make. Others have chosen to do what is allowed under the Constitution, and have armed themselves as they have seen fit, with weapons equal to the task of defending themselves and their families. You have no control over that, and that is a hot button for you and your gun control advocate compatriots. Fine. Just don’t come here and expect to win converts to your decisions. Most people realize that the choice is theirs to make, but you and others like you wish that you could make it for them. Fortunately, the founders of this nation had the foresight to block you in that effort.

    Don’t expect those of us who choose life for ourselves and our loved ones to accede to your desire to control. It isn’t going to happen.

  • BentGhazi

    You do not understand me, however I do understand you. Disarming the law abiding isn’t going to address the issue of mass shootings. It has been proven not to work. I am quite the opposite of your assumption, but you seem to think multiple attempts at taking firearms from the public will work this time, that somehow the world will have a magical about face and your failed efforts from the past will succeed. That is insane.

  • BentGhazi

    That kind of thinking is fantasy. 300 million guns are in the hands of law abiding people in this country, and a vocal minority like the one you belong to isn’t changing that.

  • SoThere

    In a roundabout way Knownothing is right. If someone wants to bash in my front door and assault me or my family or just to take my stuff, he’s a dead man or woman whichever the case may be.

    I will administer a fatal dose of lead poisoning.

  • BentGhazi

    I have been shot at before – have you? I had the opportunity to make it stop and did so. Have you? I don’t think I am some cartoon character from a movie, are you? This line of irrational thinking isn’t helping you.

    The difference between you and I is this – if the occasion arises where I need to defend my life and my family, I have the means and ability to do it without hesitation. Do you?

  • BentGhazi

    Roger that. It’s what they deserve, but in the magical la la land these fools live in, when that happens they are simply going to die. I’m not up for that.

  • Todd Scheller

    Oh, but you can. Jacuqes Littlefield Estate has the worlds largest PRIVATE collection of TANKS. Handguns cannot be banned. Try reading D.C. v. Heller, remember the Federal Government (Via Washing ton D.C.) could not ban them. So how will the attempt to ban the nationally fair any better? Are you seriously that mentally limited?

  • SoThere

    I shot my first Communist when Knownothing was in diapers. The funny thing about it, it was the Democrats that made me do it.

  • BentGhazi

    The forget about that, conveniently enough.

  • Anonymous

    Jeez! I just saw your comment about those Godless heathen devils, the Atheists! I assume the “history” you are referring too is from the last century as I can’t recall any Atheist armies wreaking havoc, pillaging and plundering the countryside, except, for, well, maybe the Vikings? Ouch!

    Anyway, all kidding aside, atheist communism is, perhaps, the greatest mass murderers in human history?

    Purv

  • SoThere

    Yes, yes they do.

  • SoThere

    Between Mao and Uncle Joe (both atheists) at least 100 million people were killed. Throw in Pol Pot and a few other well known Atheists it’s so many more.

  • BentGhazi

    You know, I remember the first impression I had of the Communists was the day after I went on an escort detail to a village where medics gave medical care to the residents. We went back a few days later, and they were all dead. They didn’t have any guns to fight back. That kind of thing leaves a lasting impression on a 19 year old enlistee.

    This fool wants to see that here. That is what they are creating, they just don’t see it or don’t want to.

  • SoThere

    Edited by me, let’s change the subject, shall we?

    Libtards are all mouth and that’s that.

    This post will self destruct after you get a chance to read it, so will my other post.

  • BentGhazi

    Yeah, not good memories. I agree with you, they are long on mouth and short on brains.

  • Anonymous

    And to think, they were all the progeny of Karl Marx…

    Say, I posted some rather provocative comments regarding how the local police agencies might react, if ordered by the Feds to participate in Gun laws/seizures. Have you read them?

    The most recent, I asked the reader to consider the “Praetorian Guard” (Secret Service) response to an “unconstitutional” command?

    What about YOU? As a young Marine just back home with thirty days before separation, and you are ordered to seize your fathers, brothers, sisters, uncles friends and fellow citizens, firearms, how would you have reacted? How are these kids/MEN, today going to react to such an order, if given? What kind of man/President would put his Nation in such peril?

    The implications are profound, do you agree?

    Purv

  • SoThere

    I can assure you that the Military will not fire on their own families if ordered to by the Government.

    We are not that kind of people.

  • Anonymous

    Everyone knows that you are far more likely to be hurt by your own gun than by an intruder. You are actually putting your loved ones at far greater risk, you are endangering them. Is that what love means to you? By the way, you either live in a really bad part of town or you’re crazy and paranoid if you think that there are all these intruders just waiting to break into your house while you sleep. You’ve seen too many movies or something.

  • Anonymous

    No one is disarming you. Relax, Francis. There are certain weapons you can’t have, as always. Assault rifles and large-capacity clips are soon going to be included. Handguns too, soon.

  • Anonymous

    No,,but the new laws and regulations will.

  • Anonymous

    What happened when you were shot at? I’ll need some details or it’s hard to believe you.

  • Anonymous

    Banning handguns will take a while but we will get there!

  • Anonymous

    But, philosophically speaking, and that is the dilemma, we are all supposed to be “family.” Yet, I don’t think gun seizures can take place without the ATF, etc., the National guard or local police agencies and that means:

    PITTING BROTHER AGAINST BROTHER? God, what an awful thought!

    I hate to say this, but that sort of tactic is not out of the question and has probably been in the hopper for some time now? What would my neighbor the Police Officer and I do If he was ordered to come to my home and…?

    I’d prefer not to think about it, but, unfortunately the issue has been thrust upon us, this is no longer an abstraction?

    Purv

  • SoThere

    I’m not sure what I’d do. I’d have to play it by ear. I have the training to survive and I’m sure I can do that even by subterfuge or nefarious means.

    The Donner Pass Society say that Libtards are quite tasty if marinated. I’m sure that will go over great with the liberals here.

  • Todd Scheller

    No, you wont, especially if you are any indication of the mental ability of those that are attempting too.

  • Anonymous

    Lol. Speaking of mental ability, it’s “to”, not “too”.
    Hilarious.

  • Guest

    And now here you are in a different time and place. Embrace this time in replacement of the old time. Strength to you my friend.

  • Guest

    Amen!

  • Anonymous

    “The Donner Pass Society?” Where in the heck? LOL Here I am, trying to be serious and YOU, yes YOU…

    Ouch!

  • SoThere

    Just trying to lighten things up.

  • BentGhazi

    And to you as well, friend.

  • BentGhazi

    I returned fire and I am alive to tell about it. The other guy, not so much. You are not getting details, it was combat in wartime, enough said.

  • BentGhazi

    The Supreme Court will not allow what you want to happen.
    This has been tried before, it is unconstitutional and nothing has changed to make it less so.

  • BentGhazi

    Ain’t gonna happen. You keep dreaming, but since you don’t even know what you are talking about I have no fear. Libtards are not going to rule the world. In the end, sanity and freedom will prevail just like it always has.

  • BentGhazi

    Everyone? Funny, I’ve had the opportunity to demonstrate successfully that is absolutely wrong. You assume others are as fearful and incompetent as you. That isn’t always the case, and there are far more examples of people who have weapons successfully defending themselves without harming their families than you and your prohibitionist friends want to admit.

    Everyone lives in a bad part of town when they have home invasions in even rural areas. There is no safe place unless you take measures to harden and secure it yourself. To do otherwise is foolish. This isn’t the 1950′s when you could leave your doors unlocked and sleep without the threat of criminal activity. The population has increased by a factor of two, and so have the number of criminals who are a danger to the public. You can do the research now that I have pointed you in the right direction.

    It’s you that is living a life of fantasy in a make believe world of blue birds, rainbows and unicorns if you think it is safe enough not to prepare yourself against violence in today’s world.

  • BentGhazi

    Gotcha.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for serving, and I’m glad you’re ok, but wartime doesn’t count. We’re talking about civilian gun ownership. That’s the whole point. In the service, you are part of a well-regulated militia. As a random civilian, you are not.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t need the supremes for what we want. We can reclassify them as destructive weapons like bazookas and hand grenades. The supremes allow those to be banned.

  • Anonymous

    I know you want conservatives like Al Qaeda and the Taliban to rule the world, but the civilized, industrialized world is quite liberal. Only the Arabs/Muslims are religious conservatives. And you guys. Lol.

  • Anonymous

    No demonstration can change the fact that you are more likely to be shot by your own gun than you are to use it to defend yourself. That is a fact. So go ahead, weed yourselves out. But how awful that you live in a place where everyone is so paranoid and distrusting of their neighbors. Must be very stressful.

  • BentGhazi

    It is a matter of training, practice and planning. I know what I am going to do if I need to employ a firearm in defense. Your claim is baseless.

  • BentGhazi

    Al Qaeda and the Taliban are not conservatives. They are radical Muslim extremists that use the Muslim faith as a cover for their true motivation. They are global criminals, and for you to suggest otherwise tells a great deal about your complete lack of discernment.

    You must be one of those extremist atheists.

  • BentGhazi

    I don’t believe a female Motown group has any place in this deal.

    The problem with your reasoning is that a single non-explosive projectile does not qualify as a destructive device, nor does it cause the same kind of damage.

    Keep trying, all you are doing is making yourself look like a hysterical idiot.

  • BentGhazi

    You are ignorant of what a well regulated militia is. The man who coauthored the Second Amendment, George Mason IV, (along with James Madison), wrote the Virginia Declaration of Rights in 1776. Article 13 of that document is very clear on what the well regulated militia is:

    “SEC. 13. That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.”

    The well regulated militia is the people, trained in the use of arms. I, as a veteran, am well trained in the use of arms, and being one of the people belong to the militia as specified. George Mason wrote the Declaration of Rights specifically outlining what the people had rights to do and to be to restrict government and empower the individual. You would like it the other way around, but our supreme law of the land, The Constitution, isn’t designed to cater to your politics.

    No one is forcing you to partake of exercising your rights, but you don’t have the right to keep others from acting to exercise theirs.

    I am not a random civilian, I am a specific individual, and one who will not be subject to the dictates of people willing to forego their rights or desiring of taking mine away.

    Surrender to the tyrant of your choice, but don’t expect me to follow you.

  • BentGhazi

    Besides, if you haven’t got the means to defend yourself, then the chances you will be the loser in a confrontation with an armed criminal go up to 100% when the armed assailant unloads his weapon on you. Conversely, given the option to respond with deadly force, the chances you will survive go up by 100% if you are armed, trained and know how to respond appropriately.

  • Anonymous

    Lol. Of course religious extremists are conservative. You think they’re liberals? Lol.

  • Anonymous

    Assault rifles with large capacity clips don’t fire single projectiles.

  • Anonymous

    You make a lot of noise, but they’ve already taken away many of your rights, and your guns didn’t help you. And well regulated is well regulated. You have surrendered to the tyrant of violence and complacency, and you need to be better regulated.

  • Anonymous

    The real world doesn’t bear that out. People get killed with their own guns. You’re living in some deranged fantasy.

  • Guest

    Knowitnone is a waste of attention.

  • BentGhazi

    No, being a survivor of armed confrontation myself I know you are absolutely incorrect. If you have a weapon, and know how to use it, and practice to prepare yourself mentally and physically you have a chance of surviving an assault. IF you don’t do all of those things you still have a much better chance at saving your own life and protecting others if you have a weapon. If you don’t provide yourself with a weapon, you have very little if any chance.

  • BentGhazi

    You have no idea what the militia clause entails do you? Even after I spelled it out for you, you refuse to accept anything but your own asinine and ignorant opinion. It is you who needs regulation. Perhaps you should enlist in the military and gain an understanding on a personal level instead of merely reciting the liberal bull-hockey you’ve been doing for days here.

    On second thought, don’t – with your attitude and resistance to absorbing facts you would get someone and yourself killed.

  • BentGhazi

    Does not matter what kind of weapon, a small arm is a small arm. If it does not explode, then it isn’t a destructive device – ask the BATFE, they defined it.

    You don’t have a clue what you are talking about. Have you ever handled or fired a gun of any kind? Left wing gun control talking points are based in ignorance, and you armed with a large capacity of them makes you an insultingly ignorant person on this subject.

    What is an assault rifle? Do you know what a clip is? It is apparent you know the answer to neither question.

  • BentGhazi

    Did I say that? I said Muslim extremists, of a leftist bent, the only person who says religious extremists as if to include Christians and conservative Americans is you. You really are an idiot if you believe that.

  • BentGhazi

    And then some. Instead of absorbing knowledge and fact, he merely restates his ignorance and lies that were gobbled up at the left wing laughing academy hog trough that he’s been dining at – apparently from an early age.

  • BentGhazi

    You are not going to ever realize that what I have been telling you is true, nor are you going to accept you have had your head filled with lies, so let’s not belabor the point any further, Okay?

    You are going to come back with the same tired old lies you’ve been hawking here for the past few days, and I am going to tell you they are nothing but left wing propaganda and you lack the level of intelligence to accept facts to the contrary of your programming.

    Deranged fantasy is your department, sport. I’ve been places and done things in my lifetime of experience that tell me everything you have been spouting off is wrong. I have proof and knowledge that counters your idiotic claims because I lived it.

    You got your knowledge from some thorough brain washing and now you stand there like a bovine at the feed lot, waiting to accept your fate.

    You just stay lined up with the rest of the cattle, Okay?

  • Anonymous

    Well-regulated militia, not a bunch of random untrained paranoids.

  • Anonymous

    If you don’t think what happened in Sandy Hook was destructive, you shouldn’t be making decisions for yourself or anyone else.

  • Anonymous

    Muslim extremists, like Christian extremists, are nothing but conservative. They actually have a lot in common. They pray a lot and thinks that god talks to them directly, they oppress women, homosexuals, and non-believers, etc.
    We liberals are the one fighting against backwards extremism, dragging conservatives into the modern world. Christian and Muslim fundamentalists are just arguing about which oppressive, fascist culture will prevail.

  • Anonymous

    I am truly sorry you live in such a dangerous world filled with bad guys looking for a chance to assault you, with only your personal firearm there to keep you and all your loved ones alive and safe. You must have had some rough experiences to end up with a world view like that. Or you live in Somalia. It must be very stressful. When do you have time to relax?

  • BentGhazi

    That isn’t what we were talking about, and it isn’t what I said. You think that twisting and tangential manipulation is getting you somewhere – all you are doing is proving further what a moron you can be.

  • BentGhazi

    From the Virginia Declaration of Rights, (1776), authored by George Mason IV, co-author of the Second Amendment to the Constitution of The United States of America:

    “XIII That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that, in all cases, the military should be under strict subordination to, and be governed by, the civil power.”

    Pay particular attention – it says specifically that, “a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state;”, so try as you may, you can’t manipulate this into something it is not. You have proven your ignorance on several aspects of this subject, and you should educate yourself.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Declaration_of_Rights

    Your one-line retorts are the stuff of idiocy. You also use the word random too much – which tells your age.

  • Anonymous

    I’m saying the definition of destructive device is changing. Not just explosives, but weapons of war repurposed for civilians. There’s no need for those kinds of guns.
    And fuck you too if you can’t have a discussion without calling me a moron. I have a higher IQ and am better educated than you can imagine, so fuck off.

  • Anonymous

    So you support the mandatory training of anyone who wants to buy a gun? Not just how to use it, but tactics, organizational structures, etc. I could live with that. There is currently no training or proof of competency required.
    How old do you think I am, based on my use of the word “random”?

  • BentGhazi

    You are demonstrating your ignorance again. How do you know EVERY Christian oppresses women, homosexuals, non-believers, etc? The point is you don’t and can’t produce evidence to support your outrageous assumptions. Again.

    You liberals are not doing much beyond making noise. That seems to be all you are good at, you aren’t much in the reasoned thinking department.

  • BentGhazi

    You need not trouble yourself – I am prepared for what comes. It appears you have no chance if the game turns against you.

    You do remember I served in combat, don’t you? Perhaps you should slow down the consumption of ganja a bit so you can remember who you are talking to.

    I don’t count on that – people like you never see it coming or the world for what it truly is.

  • BentGhazi

    Under 30. And yes, training is not something I consider optional. I’ve had plenty.

  • BentGhazi

    Definitions are not changing – you are merely declaring them to be as that suits you.

    You can profane yourself, so try to imagine not ever replying to me again – that works for me.

  • SoThere

    He’s nothing but a Libtard fool.

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t say “

  • Anonymous

    Yes, you claim to have served in combat, and I have no reason to doubt you. Again, we’re not in combat here. If you don’t realize you’re not actively fighting a war, you should get some help.
    Lol @ “if the game turns against me”. What game? Game of thrones? We clearly live in different worlds, and mine sounds a lot nicer and more fun. But hey, spend your life being prepared for an apocalypse that will never happen. I’m out there enjoying the hell out of life, free from paranoia.

  • Anonymous

    . And when every gun owner gets plenty of training, we’ll all be safer. You’d think that real gun advocates would be In favor of that.
    And I’m not under 30. Not even close. So much for your prejudices. But I’m often told I’m youthful, so I understand the error.

  • Anonymous

    We’ll see. Obama has 19 things he’s going to do, and 16 of them don’t require congress.

  • BentGhazi

    And a hard headed one at that. He’s on his own from this point. I gave him a more than fair effort, but stubbornly stupid isn’t curable.

  • BentGhazi

    I have entertained your foolhardiness long enough. Farewell, enjoy your dream world. You have wasted enough of both mine and your time.

  • BentGhazi

    All of them could prompt impeachment.

  • SoThere

    Yes, there are lots of immedicable Libtards out there.

  • Anonymous

    If bush didn’t get impeached for lying us into war and recession, no one will be. Whatever the house does, the senate is democratic.
    Anyway he’s our elected president and he can do all kinds of stuff if the house continues to ignore the will of the people.

  • SoThere

    The HULK went underground again. What new sock will he reappear with next time? LMAO

  • Sandie

    OMG we certainly don’t want to have people like this idiot on our side of the fence! Let him go self destruct by all means!

  • antithetical radical

    Check your mail.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, lets get back to reality, where gun deaths in the UK DOUBLED after that tightened their gun control laws. That IS reality, son, and the ACTUAL documents prove it, lol. Yup, let’s get back to reality. By tightening gun control legislation in this country, the ONLY thing you are asking for is MORE gun violence.

  • Anonymous

    Uhm, actually, YES, psychopaths CAN get bazookas and hand grenades, lol. In fact, some can actually make home made ones themselves. Not only is my argument right, but your arguments is 100% ILLOGICAL at best.

  • Anonymous

    LOL back to you. I’m talking about REAL WORLD facts documented by the UK themselves. According to THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT RECORDS, gun deaths DOUBLED in the UK after they made it nearly impossible to get a gun. That’s THEIR OWN documents stating that, son. Man, you really are stupid, lol.

  • Anonymous

    Uhm, no. Try again. People buy handguns to either HUNT with them or defend themselves against ACTUAL CRIMINALS who would otherwise kill them if they hadn’t had a gun to defend themselves with. If you don’t think people hunt with handguns or assault rifles, you are an absolute moron at best, lol.

  • Anonymous

    Doubled from 25 to 50. We have over 10,000 a year.

  • Anonymous

    Uhm, Bush didn’t just let them all in, though. That’s one of Obama’s many, many problems. Not only does he NOT want a fence, but he actually wants full amnesty for illegals. At least, Bush wanted to try to contain the whole illegal citizen problem. Obama doesn’t want to do that.

  • Anonymous

    So let’s get rid of all laws, because they will be broken sometime. Hell, let’s hand out hand grenades to everyone, they might get one anyway.

  • Anonymous

    What are the real numbers. Doubling doesn’t matter with such a low number.

  • Anonymous

    Hinting with handguns is stupid. Hunting in general is nothing but a bully murdering a weaker, innocent life.

  • Anonymous

    Yes. And since you want tighter gun control laws in the US, apparently you want 20,000 gun related deaths a year here. OK. Fine. Apparently, you just want more people in this country to die. Guess we all know where you stand than, lol.

  • Anonymous

    Well, if they want a hand grenade, it’s NOT they might get one, it’s they MOST DEFINITELY WILL get one. Seriously, do you even realize that you can make a simple hand grenade with ordinary, every day household objects. It’s not that hard to learn how to build a home made hand grenade, you know. I’m sure any body who’s ever been in the military and received such training can do so.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, doubling DOES matter, lol. If countries tighten their gun control laws ONLY to see their gun related deaths double, than it is NOT a good idea. Since UK isn’t the ONLY country that saw gun related deaths go up by a tightening of gun control laws, it is only logical the same would happen here if we did the same. Gun violence doubled in the UK when they tightened their gun control laws. Gun violence also increased in Canada when they did the same. In fact, I know of NO country on this entire planet when gun violence actually went down when gun control laws were tightened. EVERY time I’ve seen countries tighten gun control laws and make getting guns harder, I’ve seen their gun violence literally skyrocket. Because stricter gun control has yet to actually reduce violence, it simply is totally foolish and insane to think it will do so here. You do know what insane means don’t you, lol. Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. Since literally every other country ONLY saw gun related deaths go UP after putting more restrictions on gun ownership, the ONLY thing expected to happen here is the exact same thing as happened in those countries. By putting more restrictions on gun ownership here, the ONLY thing you are asking for is an INCREASE in gun violence as just about every single statistic indicates.

  • Anonymous

    Uhm, no. Hunting with handguns can be FUN, lol. And hunting in general is nothing but a bully murdering a weaker, innocent life, lol? Now you really are making me laugh. Tell that to the lion taking down its prey, or the cheetah hunting a gazelle. Tell that to the wolves taking down the deer, or even the bears hunting those wolves. Tell that to sharks after hunting for their fish to eat. And on, and on, and on. Hunting is a NATURAL product of the food chain. We, as human beings, sit at the very top of that food chain. It is our God given right to hunt. We hunt for clothing to wear, we hunt for sport, but most importantly, we hunt for food to eat. You see, meat doesn’t grow from the ground like vegetables or from trees like fruits. Meat comes from the ANIMALS we, as humans, hunt. You really are a dimwit, Knownothing. How stupid are you idiots going to get, lol?

  • Anonymous

    It’s idiotic to think that better gun laws head to more gun deaths. You’ll have to provide a link for that ridiculous claim. It’s false.

  • Anonymous

    So make one, Rambo, but you don’t get to buy one. Be a felon if you want. And please, try to defend yourself against a hand grenade, or any close physical attack, with your own grenade. That’ll end well.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, that’s not true. Prove those ridiculous claims.

    When machine guns were made illegal in the US, machine gun deaths practically disappeared.

  • Anonymous

    Lions and wolves and sharks don’t use guns, moron. You want to wrestle a bear to the ground, have fun. Using a gun is just being a violent bully.

  • Anonymous

    Uhm, actually no, it’s NOT idiotic, lol. It’s DOCUMENTED by governments and private firms. It is DOCUMENTED by the UK government how their gun deaths DOUBLES after they tightened their gun laws. It is NOT a ridiculous claim. It is a DOCUMENTED claim. Really, how stupid do you choose to be.

  • Anonymous

    Uhm, why not? I can either make one or buy one. It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t make me a felon to do so either, lol. Man, you really are stupid.

  • Anonymous

    Uhm, actually YES, it IS true, lol. Look at EVERY SINGLE STAT ever recorded when countries tightened their gun control laws. Gun deaths in the UK DOUBLED. Gun deaths in Canada skyrocketed. On and on and on. It’s recorded BY THEIR OWN GOVERNMENTS for crying out loud so YES, what I say actually IS true.

    And seriously, you bring up machine guns? LOL Seriously? How stupid are you, imbecile?

  • Anonymous

    LOL You really are a ridiculous moron aren’t you? Doesn’t matter if they use guns or not, ignoramus. The end result is still EXACTLY the same. The lion HUNTS its prey and kills it for food. The wolves HUNT their prey and kill it for food. The sharks hunt their prey and kill it for food. The hunter HUNTS its prey and kills it for food. They all used tools at their disposal, moron. It matters NOT how it was done because the end result is EXACTLY the same. Man, you really are proving yourself quite the imbecile, you know.

  • SoThere

    The machine gun thing is a dodge. It’s what he does when he’s been proven wrong. Did he post any verifiable links that proved his nonsense? People can still own machine guns in this country legally.

  • SoThere

    What stupid arguments Knownothing comes up with!

  • Anonymous

    Got a link?

  • Anonymous

    It’s illegal to own a live grenade.

  • Anonymous

    Fuck you, asshole. You said gun control doesn’t work and machine guns are just one example where they did, you fucking moron. Now prove your stupid claims with a link, or shut your mouth before I fuck it.

  • Anonymous

    Of course it’s not the same, fuckhead. Mano a Mano is one thing. Using a gun on an unarmed animal is wimpy and cruel. Not sport, it’s too easy. It’s just violent bullying. And I don’t believe for a second that you eat everything you hunt. And, we’re not fucking animals. We think and make choices about right or wrong. At least most of us do. Animals don’t.

  • Anonymous

    Uhm, actually, no. Machine guns are NOT really an example where gun control actually worked. Try again, though.

  • Anonymous

    LOL Seriously? Yes, Knownothing, hunting an animal with a gun is EXACTLY the same as a lion hunting its prey. The ONLY difference is the tool used to do so. Man, you really are an idiot. The problem is the idiots who actually think like you, lol. The problem is a HUMAN one, NOT a gun one. We do think and make choices about right and wrong, and choosing to tighten gun control laws in this country is the WRONG choice because the ONLY thing it will do is lead to and INCREASE in gun related deaths.

  • DAVID BANTER

    Folks, another vulgar comment from a liberal.

    This is what they’re made of.

  • Anonymous

    Try again ignoramus. If you have the permit, you can actually LEGALLY own a live grenade. Man, stop being an ignorant buffoon, will you?

  • DAVID BANTER

    OOOH a sexual threat from a small man.

    This is the face of the liberals of today.

  • DAVID BANTER

    Criminals just used other guns. Machine gun deaths may have decreased because only law abiding citizens owned them. That proves that law abiding citizens don’t commit crimes with their machine guns, that’s all.

  • landofaahs

    I understand that, but we have to hold both sides accountable especially when they are so much alike. I want my freedom back and I won’t settle for less.

  • Anonymous

    Just check the stats listed by the government of UK. That’s all the proof right there. Now, quit being an ignoramus and start to look at something called REALITY please, lol.

    Firearm offenses in England and Wales 1998/1999 – 5,209
    Firearm offenses in England and Wales in 2011 – 9,865
    Now, using simple, basic math that a 6 year old understands, lol, this means that after the UK ban on firearms in 1997, crimes involving firearms actually went UP about 89%. Heck, in some parts of the country, crimes involving firearms INCREASED MORE THAN 5-fold. All this after the UK put a ban on firearms. These are OFFICIAL numbers that come straight from the government of the UK. Now, as I said, quit being a total retard please, lol.

  • Anonymous

    I agree, but to put Bush in the same league as Obama is kind of stupid. Now, of course Bush wasn’t perfect, but at least he tried to do something with the border situation. All the idiot liberals want to do is open it up for every illegal to come in without a problem. At least, Bush attempted to build a fence. Obama simply wants to tear it down and let every illegal in. In a better of 2 evils situation, I’d rather have someone like Bush who at least tries to a degree than an idiot liberal like Obama who simply doesn’t even care.

  • Anonymous

    I know right. Not only are his arguments stupid. His arguments fly in the face of historically documented statistics. When the banning of firearms causes firearms related crimes to double in the UK, what do you think will happen here? Firearms related crimes are high enough in this country. They don’t need to become even higher by banning firearms, lol. It’s not the guns that need to be banned. It’s the people that need to be banned, imo. Evil people will kill with or without guns. You ban guns, those without guns will more easily become victims to the evil people who get their hands on guns. There’s a reason the vast majority of all victims of gun related crimes tended to NOT have a gun to protect themselves with. If those victims actually had a gun to protect themselves with, they would not have become a victim in the first place because criminals tend to not attack those they know have guns.

  • SoThere

    He’s been using the same stale arguments for weeks. When he doesn’t get what he wants he resorts to threats and vulgarity, in other words, he’s a typical Libtard moron.

    He’s to be pitied.

  • Anonymous

    Yes they are. National Firearms Act, 1934.

  • Anonymous

    Aren’t they all to be pitied, lol? I mean, they can’t seem to grasp onto reality so they try, oh they try, to grasp at every little straw they can. If they can’t hold onto even that tiny, little straw, threats and vulgarity are all they can muster.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I know, you like to feel like a big man by shooting innocent animals. There’s no challenge, no sport, just you beating up on something because you feel so powerless on life. Same reason you name yourself one man army. We get it.

  • Anonymous

    You’re hilarious, stalking me and butting in irrelevantly when I say something, but ignoring similar comments for others. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously. Lol.

  • Anonymous

    And who can get a permit, idiot?

  • Anonymous

    Was someone talking to you, loser? Or did you just get excited?

  • Anonymous

    No big duh, that’s what we’re looking for. Fewer people committing crimes with guns. Fewer gun crimes.

  • SoThere

    I had a Libtard use Wyatt Earp and banning guns in the city limits as being Constitutional.

    Ignorantia sinistram.

  • Anonymous

    LOL!!!!!
    FIREARM OFFENSES.
    Possession.
    The number of firearm offenses went up because it was illegal to own them. Firearm deaths and injuries plummeted. BAM.

  • Anonymous

    LOL That post doesn’t even deserve a response.

  • SoThere

    Those animals have a better chance at survival than those cows in the stockyards.

    Another ignorant post from a Libtard grabbing at straws.

    LMAO.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, just about anyone in this country can get a permit, with a few obvious exceptions. But generally speaking, if you wanted to get a permit for a grenade, you can get one. It’s called a Destructive Device permit. Now, of course, not everyone can have one, as there are restrictions. But, again, if you have one, it is perfectly legal to own a grenade.

  • Anonymous

    LOL Now try actually READING that act sometime ignoramus. NOWHERE does the National Firearms Act ban machine guns. People can still LEGALLY own machine guns as long as they were legally registered prior to 1986. And guess what. People STILL own machine guns LEGALLY, go figure. Again, you prove what kind of an utter fool you are.

  • SoThere

    He’s a low information Libtard, and yes, he’s an ignoramus. He’s stuck on the same ol’ ignorant talking points. You’re about the 10th person to tell him he’s wrong but his brain is stuck on stupid.

  • Anonymous

    Uhm, try again. That terrible logic doesn’t work, lol. As the firearms offenses went up, so, too, did the deaths and injuries related to them. It’s call common sense and ACTUAL STATISTICALLY DOCUMENTED REALITY.

  • Anonymous

    Aren’t all libtards low information, lol? I thought it came with the territory.

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    Who are you, guest? Mind your own business.

  • Anonymous

    Hey guest, stay out of it.

  • antithetical radical

    Democrats, and some Republicans too, are the problem. They should focus on getting the job of running the country – on time and on a budget. 

    This whole business is a distraction and isn’t going anywhere. If the people were to call their senators and representatives and tell them to concentrate on doing the job they were elected to do instead of meddling in places where the Constitution states clearly that isn’t their business, (the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed), then we might get somewhere close to solving this crazy spending problem that is economically strangling us.

  • antithetical radical

    That is a stupid remark, even for you. There were no video anything games when he was still alive. (He didn’t make it down from the clock tower at UT in 1966).

  • antithetical radical

    Our military uses computer video training systems and they think it works fairly well.

  • antithetical radical

    Why do you think you can compare Japan to the US? Their society is completely different than ours. 

    If you want to be taken seriously, try posting with some degree of relevance.

  • http://twitter.com/MagicLifeNet Trent Hand

    A question, and not to start an argument, just to understand your point of view: if you are a non-violent person, why do you love guns?  I don’t ask this to tell you your view is wrong, just trying to understand it better.

    I am a Christian and I’m amazed at how many Christian’s hold on to the idea that they need guns for protection.  Jesus was very adamant about not relying on physical weapons to protect ourselves, but instead relying on God.  If someone wants to hurt my body, that isn’t worth compromising my soul.  

    As a non-Christian with a non-violent view, why do you feel the need to have a gun?  Does the gun serve another purpose than violence?

  • http://www.facebook.com/dominic.blais.5 Dominic Blais

    we ban all republicans we ban all sports and girls need to date the smart kids not the dumb jocks who bully the smart kids. what do you expect when smart people get bullied than women neglect and bully them. they go crazy and shoot up the place. blow jobs prevent gun violence
    why does no one ask how the girls treated these boys after they got bullied by the fag ball team
    they are taught to hate by the actions of those people