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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/03/13/california-woman-has-guns-taken-away/#comment-235144</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Government serves government and corporations who see the government as the grantor of favors in return for campaign contributions.  We need a constitutional amendment to clarify that corporations are not people who can buy politicians.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/03/13/california-woman-has-guns-taken-away/#comment-235142</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Local sheriffs?  You&#039;ve got to be kidding. They are the number one rights violators.  </description>
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		<title>By: nutt</title>
		<link>http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/03/13/california-woman-has-guns-taken-away/#comment-229911</link>
		<dc:creator>nutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll go with you on the procedure bit; that&#039;s not what I&#039;m disputing. You raise the metal detector, however. The alleged threat is that she said she&#039;d return armed, so the dectetor/ceramic bullet bit is by-the-by. The fact is, she had guns and (allegedly) threatened to return with them. An open threat, so metal detectors weren&#039;t a consideration of hers.

And back to her words. The only reporting of this is coming from her contact to the Blaze (surprise surprise) and is very explicit and detailed, even down her tragic family past. So if there&#039;s any legal coaching going on, it&#039;s only being done to weigh things in her favour and, as I keep saying, is being incredibly careful about what she says she said. So yes; if this goes to court, she&#039;ll say under oath that she didn&#039;t say &#039;gun&#039;; but there&#039;s a lot of threat that she could have come out with without specifically using that one word.

Let&#039;s see how this plays, however, see what happens if/when the footage comes to light. If Glenn doesn&#039;t report it (he&#039;s not exactly good at following-up on stories - the headline is everything to him, even if it subsequently proves to be utter bollocks), then you&#039;ll hopefully see it locally as you appear to be local to the story. I&#039;d be really inteterested in hearing how it plays out, so please let me know - my name here is my twitter name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll go with you on the procedure bit; that&#8217;s not what I&#8217;m disputing. You raise the metal detector, however. The alleged threat is that she said she&#8217;d return armed, so the dectetor/ceramic bullet bit is by-the-by. The fact is, she had guns and (allegedly) threatened to return with them. An open threat, so metal detectors weren&#8217;t a consideration of hers.</p>
<p>And back to her words. The only reporting of this is coming from her contact to the Blaze (surprise surprise) and is very explicit and detailed, even down her tragic family past. So if there&#8217;s any legal coaching going on, it&#8217;s only being done to weigh things in her favour and, as I keep saying, is being incredibly careful about what she says she said. So yes; if this goes to court, she&#8217;ll say under oath that she didn&#8217;t say &#8216;gun&#8217;; but there&#8217;s a lot of threat that she could have come out with without specifically using that one word.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see how this plays, however, see what happens if/when the footage comes to light. If Glenn doesn&#8217;t report it (he&#8217;s not exactly good at following-up on stories &#8211; the headline is everything to him, even if it subsequently proves to be utter bollocks), then you&#8217;ll hopefully see it locally as you appear to be local to the story. I&#8217;d be really inteterested in hearing how it plays out, so please let me know &#8211; my name here is my twitter name.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/03/13/california-woman-has-guns-taken-away/#comment-229710</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> The police did not respond to the report properly. I didn&#039;t say they shouldn&#039;t follow up. However, responding in force to a nebulous threat, then continuing on in the way that they did was completely improper. They violated her civil rights, probably believing that they could do that under the guise of &quot;domestic terrorism&quot;.  They are incorrect. It obviously didn&#039;t occur to them at ANY point in time to involve the FBI, who have jurisdiction and authority to make the decision to act under those laws. I&#039;m not going to go through the entire list of improper procedures they broke because I already listed that in detail above, but this was FAR beyond an investigation. 

As to who&#039;s more believable, look at the behavior in the council meeting of the fool who made the report. At no time during the debate did she lose her temper, threaten, call names or attempt to intimidate. What was HIS reaction? Hostility, name calling, intimidation and threats. The police failed to even follow up with him. He should have been brought to the police station to make a statement. I have searched the internet and nowhere have I found that he swore out a complaint or was even questioned as to what happened. The security tapes of the altercation are going to be pulled and how much would you like to bet that they show this gentleman following them into the parking lot? How much would you like to bet that HE was the one who first started screaming. This is overtly threatening behavior. Why would they bring the suit knowing what&#039;s on the tapes if it shows them approaching him and screaming? You don&#039;t need sound to understand body language or who is more agitated. Why was he outside of the building at that time of day? Now, they will have to answer those questions on the stand and I would venture to say that those videos will be quite interesting to see. If his story on the stand is different than what can be easily seen, he can be charged with perjury, making a false police report, etc. The police can be charged with making a false arrest and civil rights violations. 

How exactly is it that you believe that the police are innocent in this? At some point someone on that force should have stepped back and realized that they could be held liable for every single procedural violation. These are not just nebulous rules, there is a written protocol. There HAS to be in order to receive state and federal funding for the police force. They broke protocol at every step, when they had a chance to turn back and do the right thing. These are not unusual protocols and when it became apparent that there was no way to verify either party&#039;s story, they should have stopped. They cannot simply take away a person&#039;s civil rights out of expediency. This is what leads to abject abuse of power. This is what brought about that evil monstrosity called the Patriot Act. Those who will trade safety and security for a loss of rights are fools cowering in the shadows, afraid of every bump in the night. 

Here&#039;s another tidbit for you. Those buildings probably have metal detectors, security, etc. How would she get guns/knives/ammo, etc, through the security cordon? Do most orthodox Jewish women strike you as the types who would find a ceramic gun and bullets and risk everything to get them through security? Give me a break. This was an overreaction on their part. 

And no, it&#039;s not unusual at all that they are not giving details on what happened or what she said, since now she has an attorney who would have very carefully told her what she can and cannot say prior to trial because every single word she says can be used in court. There&#039;s nothing suspicious there. They will tell their story in front of a jury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> The police did not respond to the report properly. I didn&#8217;t say they shouldn&#8217;t follow up. However, responding in force to a nebulous threat, then continuing on in the way that they did was completely improper. They violated her civil rights, probably believing that they could do that under the guise of &#8220;domestic terrorism&#8221;.  They are incorrect. It obviously didn&#8217;t occur to them at ANY point in time to involve the FBI, who have jurisdiction and authority to make the decision to act under those laws. I&#8217;m not going to go through the entire list of improper procedures they broke because I already listed that in detail above, but this was FAR beyond an investigation. </p>
<p>As to who&#8217;s more believable, look at the behavior in the council meeting of the fool who made the report. At no time during the debate did she lose her temper, threaten, call names or attempt to intimidate. What was HIS reaction? Hostility, name calling, intimidation and threats. The police failed to even follow up with him. He should have been brought to the police station to make a statement. I have searched the internet and nowhere have I found that he swore out a complaint or was even questioned as to what happened. The security tapes of the altercation are going to be pulled and how much would you like to bet that they show this gentleman following them into the parking lot? How much would you like to bet that HE was the one who first started screaming. This is overtly threatening behavior. Why would they bring the suit knowing what&#8217;s on the tapes if it shows them approaching him and screaming? You don&#8217;t need sound to understand body language or who is more agitated. Why was he outside of the building at that time of day? Now, they will have to answer those questions on the stand and I would venture to say that those videos will be quite interesting to see. If his story on the stand is different than what can be easily seen, he can be charged with perjury, making a false police report, etc. The police can be charged with making a false arrest and civil rights violations. </p>
<p>How exactly is it that you believe that the police are innocent in this? At some point someone on that force should have stepped back and realized that they could be held liable for every single procedural violation. These are not just nebulous rules, there is a written protocol. There HAS to be in order to receive state and federal funding for the police force. They broke protocol at every step, when they had a chance to turn back and do the right thing. These are not unusual protocols and when it became apparent that there was no way to verify either party&#8217;s story, they should have stopped. They cannot simply take away a person&#8217;s civil rights out of expediency. This is what leads to abject abuse of power. This is what brought about that evil monstrosity called the Patriot Act. Those who will trade safety and security for a loss of rights are fools cowering in the shadows, afraid of every bump in the night. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another tidbit for you. Those buildings probably have metal detectors, security, etc. How would she get guns/knives/ammo, etc, through the security cordon? Do most orthodox Jewish women strike you as the types who would find a ceramic gun and bullets and risk everything to get them through security? Give me a break. This was an overreaction on their part. </p>
<p>And no, it&#8217;s not unusual at all that they are not giving details on what happened or what she said, since now she has an attorney who would have very carefully told her what she can and cannot say prior to trial because every single word she says can be used in court. There&#8217;s nothing suspicious there. They will tell their story in front of a jury.</p>
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		<title>By: nutt</title>
		<link>http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/03/13/california-woman-has-guns-taken-away/#comment-229666</link>
		<dc:creator>nutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 11:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And you are poopypants weeweeface.</description>
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		<title>By: nutt</title>
		<link>http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/03/13/california-woman-has-guns-taken-away/#comment-229659</link>
		<dc:creator>nutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 10:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But don&#039;t you think that any report of somebody threatening to return to a public building is something that, these days, deserves to be taken seriously and dealt with as a viable threat? Imagine the fall-out if a warning was given, the police shrugged their shoulders, and a massacre occurred?  So this isn&#039;t about the in&#039;s and out&#039;s of the tax argument, nor is it about her religion or the Constitution. As you say, it&#039;s coming down to &#039;she said/he said&#039;, and she&#039;s making damn sure her side is getting right out there, including her family history as a back-up, but the police had to act on the report, and fast, just in case.

Again, her denial is very carefully worded and, to me, is rather revealing. She denies swearing or using the word &#039;gun&#039;. Don&#039;t you think it&#039;s strange that she doesn&#039;t tell the world what she actually said? She&#039;s very clear on every other detail here, yet fudges the part on which this whole argument hinges...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But don&#8217;t you think that any report of somebody threatening to return to a public building is something that, these days, deserves to be taken seriously and dealt with as a viable threat? Imagine the fall-out if a warning was given, the police shrugged their shoulders, and a massacre occurred?  So this isn&#8217;t about the in&#8217;s and out&#8217;s of the tax argument, nor is it about her religion or the Constitution. As you say, it&#8217;s coming down to &#8216;she said/he said&#8217;, and she&#8217;s making damn sure her side is getting right out there, including her family history as a back-up, but the police had to act on the report, and fast, just in case.</p>
<p>Again, her denial is very carefully worded and, to me, is rather revealing. She denies swearing or using the word &#8216;gun&#8217;. Don&#8217;t you think it&#8217;s strange that she doesn&#8217;t tell the world what she actually said? She&#8217;s very clear on every other detail here, yet fudges the part on which this whole argument hinges&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/03/13/california-woman-has-guns-taken-away/#comment-229602</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 02:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is to nutt, not tgarb76. The problem is that the police acted without thinking and with a show of overwhelming, unnecessary force in relation to the incident reported. The second thing is that they reacted on the word of someone who was OBVIOUSLY way more agitated than necessary and trusted his word alone. Third, they accosted them at their house, telling her and her husband that they HAD to come with them. They did not Mirandize her or her husband. They did not handcuff them, standard protocol in the case of death threats against city officials. They encountered a situation in which, clearly there was no imminent danger and were informed about her Jewish orthodoxy, but failed to provide a female police officer to transport her and touch her. She was told she was under arrest at the station and THEN handcuffed to a chair by a male police officer, AGAIN violating her civil rights. She apparently did not know that she had a right to an attorney because they threatened her and her husband with unspecified, warrantless incarceration, threatening to leave her children motherless if she did not relinquish her rights and voluntarily turn over her guns. 
This could almost be a comedy routine about government abuse of power if it wasn&#039;t so sickeningly real and common. If we could draw a flowchart using this case as an example, at every single juncture, we could place the words &quot;Correct procedure&quot; and on the other choice, &quot;Incorrect procedure&quot;. At each and every switchpoint in the chart, they deviated from correct procedure, even when there was clearly no imminent threat. It does not matter that this man claimed that she said what she did. They had no proof of that act excepting his word and the man was clearly unduly agitated even during the hearing and completely belligerent without cause. 
It angered him why? Because one of the peons DARED to oppose his capricious decision and, horror of all horrors, made him look foolish for his ridiculous actions on a public record. The police didn&#039;t investigate the claim, didn&#039;t pull any security video, didn&#039;t act with appropriate caution. This sounds like something out of the deep south in the 1960&#039;s with fat &quot;Bubba Joe&quot; running all the &quot;coloreds&quot; out of town.  It&#039;s like watching a bunch of inbred Jeds attempt a comedy routine that could be handled only by someone with a brain consisting of nothing more than a functional hypothalamus that keeps their heart beating, their lungs respiring, and tells them when they are hungry and sexually aroused. 
Eventually, it will come down to nothing more than &quot;he said, she said..&quot; In other words, the police are going to pay, the city is going to pay, and they are going to look like abusive jackasses because they ARE. This town needs a new city council, new contractors, and a new police chief along with some seriously needed training. Not much you can do for the terminally stupid. They&#039;ll never admit they were dead wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is to nutt, not tgarb76. The problem is that the police acted without thinking and with a show of overwhelming, unnecessary force in relation to the incident reported. The second thing is that they reacted on the word of someone who was OBVIOUSLY way more agitated than necessary and trusted his word alone. Third, they accosted them at their house, telling her and her husband that they HAD to come with them. They did not Mirandize her or her husband. They did not handcuff them, standard protocol in the case of death threats against city officials. They encountered a situation in which, clearly there was no imminent danger and were informed about her Jewish orthodoxy, but failed to provide a female police officer to transport her and touch her. She was told she was under arrest at the station and THEN handcuffed to a chair by a male police officer, AGAIN violating her civil rights. She apparently did not know that she had a right to an attorney because they threatened her and her husband with unspecified, warrantless incarceration, threatening to leave her children motherless if she did not relinquish her rights and voluntarily turn over her guns.<br />
This could almost be a comedy routine about government abuse of power if it wasn&#8217;t so sickeningly real and common. If we could draw a flowchart using this case as an example, at every single juncture, we could place the words &#8220;Correct procedure&#8221; and on the other choice, &#8220;Incorrect procedure&#8221;. At each and every switchpoint in the chart, they deviated from correct procedure, even when there was clearly no imminent threat. It does not matter that this man claimed that she said what she did. They had no proof of that act excepting his word and the man was clearly unduly agitated even during the hearing and completely belligerent without cause.<br />
It angered him why? Because one of the peons DARED to oppose his capricious decision and, horror of all horrors, made him look foolish for his ridiculous actions on a public record. The police didn&#8217;t investigate the claim, didn&#8217;t pull any security video, didn&#8217;t act with appropriate caution. This sounds like something out of the deep south in the 1960&#8242;s with fat &#8220;Bubba Joe&#8221; running all the &#8220;coloreds&#8221; out of town.  It&#8217;s like watching a bunch of inbred Jeds attempt a comedy routine that could be handled only by someone with a brain consisting of nothing more than a functional hypothalamus that keeps their heart beating, their lungs respiring, and tells them when they are hungry and sexually aroused.<br />
Eventually, it will come down to nothing more than &#8220;he said, she said..&#8221; In other words, the police are going to pay, the city is going to pay, and they are going to look like abusive jackasses because they ARE. This town needs a new city council, new contractors, and a new police chief along with some seriously needed training. Not much you can do for the terminally stupid. They&#8217;ll never admit they were dead wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Draxx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Draxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 23:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anger Serves A Purpose as long as we don&#039;t get out of hand with it and let it blind us...</description>
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		<title>By: greywolfrs</title>
		<link>http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/03/13/california-woman-has-guns-taken-away/#comment-229523</link>
		<dc:creator>greywolfrs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are an idiot.</description>
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		<title>By: Barbaratracie Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbaratracie Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i know they need to piss us off how else will we demand change for America</description>
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