Glenn to Sen. Jeff Flake: I respect you, but you’re talking to me like I’m a 3rd grader

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Glenn has always been a fan of Senator Jeff Flake (R-AZ) because of his fiscal conservatism and spending discipline. But Sen. Flake raised some eyebrows when he chose to join the so-called ‘Gang of Eight’ with the likes of John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Chuck Schumer to pass ‘comprehensive’ immigration reform.

This morning, Sen. Flake joined the radio program to discuss the latest developments in the immigration legislation, and it is safe to say things got a little heated. Glenn’s primary concern with the Gang of Eight’s proposal is the four Republicans are making too many concessions and not getting enough in return. Sen. Flake, meanwhile, attempted to defend the policies.

Glenn pointed out that Sen. Flake recently remarked “nothing focuses the mind like a bad election,” and “for a variety of reasons, its time” to take action with immigration reform. “I saw your quote,” Glenn said. “Is this being pursued for political reasons or security reasons?”

“Keep in mind, I’ve been pushing for immigration reform during my entire 12 years in the House of Representatives,” Sen. Flake responded. “I’m not a Johnny-come-lately just because of an election. I think that this makes good policy sense. And what makes good policy sense is usually what makes good political sense as well.”

Sen. Flake went on to explain what he sees as one of the most important part of the bill, spending an additional $500 billion on more manpower at the border. “That’s just the start,” he said. “We recognize we need better and more fencing, more manpower, more surveillance.”

Considering the promise of a better, more secure fence has existed for several decades now, Glenn could not accept Sen. Flake’s notion that this time around would be any different. “What is it now that the fence is going to get built,” Glenn asked.

“Well, it isn’t built now. Like you said, it isn’t complete,” Sen. Flake said “We do need more fencing. There are certain areas of the border that fencing does not make sense – it makes more sense to have surveillance and other things, rather than a barrier like that.”

“I respect you. I like you. I think you have done a great job in Washington. I think you’re one of the few that have kept your soul while there,” Glenn reiterated. “But you are talking to me on this issue like I’m a third grader. Like I don’t understand that we do need to do something on the border.”

“Could you please, without doing Washington double speak that sounds like John McCain from 1987, tell me how we are actually going to deal with this,” Glenn continued. “How you would believe the Chuck Schumer and Lindsey Graham actually are going to do anything this time?”

Sen. Flake explained that simply building a fence will not solve the problem. Instead, the bill will implement a ‘second border’ through e-verify.

“If people can’t work here, fewer will come to live here,” he said. “We’ll have a legal framework for people to come and return home. You combine that with the employer enforcement, and finally being able to determine if a Social Security number is not just valid but is not used by 12 other people around the country at the same time. That’s improvement. That’s a good thing.”

Furthermore, Sen. Flake explained that the ultimate goal should not be sealing the border but securing it. “Yuma, for example, every morning between the hours of 4 and 8AM you have 10,000 legal crossings of the border in one port, one land entry. And that’s a good thing because they come and work in our fields and return home. And so what we need is a secure border. We have a better situation than we did a few years ago. It needs to be much better still. But in order to do that you need not only reinforcements on the border and to strengthen the border. You need the workplace as well.”

In addition to the problems American’s face at our southern border, the Boston Marathon bombing has proven there is currently an equal, if not greater threat coming from overseas – those entering the U.S. on student visas, work visas, etc. “We have 15,000 people from hostile Muslim countries on student visas that haven’t shown up to their schools,” Glenn said. “How are you going to enforce that?”

“That’s exactly it. 40 percent of those here illegally now didn’t sneak across the border. They came on a student visa or vacation visa or tourist visa that have overstayed,” Sen. Flake said. “We don’t have an entry, and exit system. We know when they enter. We just don’t know if or when they leave. That’s a problem. It’s a huge problem that we have. And until we have an entry, exit system that works, we’re going to have this problem.”

“That is provided for in the bill. And funding is provided to bring it about,” he continued. “I’m not saying any system is going to be perfect. You’re going to have people sneaking across the border or overstay visas. But you’ve got to have an entry, exit system that works. That’s what we are trying to do with this bill.”

Stu was still concerned, however, that the comprehensive nature of the bill allowed for a path to citizenship that resembled amnesty too much.

“Amnesty is an unconditional pardon for a breach of law. This is not an unconditional pardon,” Sen. Flake explained. “Those who’re illegally and wish to stay will have to pay a fine… If you want to have RPI status, come out the shadows and work, then you have to pay the fine in order to get RPI status. That’s the bottom line. If you’re unwilling to do that then you can’t get on this path.”

But Pat wasn’t buying it. He referenced previous legislation from the 1990s that required similar fines that ended up being virtually impossible to enforce. People who avoid the fine will continue to live in the shadows, just as they do now, which means nothing will change as a result of this bill.

“It’s a long, arduous path. It really is,” Sen. Flake reiterated. “I submit that they will come forward… I think the vast majority of them will. If you take the flip side of that and say they won’t come forward, then what are we to do now? Why is the situation today, which is de facto amnesty, better than trying something like this?”

Glenn said that he will not be on board with the Gang of Eight’s plan until something is done about the border. Sen. Flake was quick to remind Glenn, however, that the only way to get something passed in a polarized Congress is to compromise.

“When you do a bill that can get through Congress, you do make compromises. There are things that I don’t like necessarily about this bill,” Sen. Flake said. “But the reality is there are only 45 Republican and 55 Democrats, and in order to get something through the Senate that will go a long way towards fixing the border and the situation we have now – you’re not going to have the exact bill that you want.”

“I do respect you,” Glenn said to Sen. Flake. “And there are not a lot of people that can come on the show and take this line of fire and do it with grace. You haven’t convinced me. But thank you for coming on.”

  • Amber Williams

    Glenn was a little sassy pants today!  Can’t say I blame him one bit.  I’m so sick of the toeing the line, double speak.  

  • Guest

    Jeff Flake – Just listen to him. He went Bill Clinton on conservatives. Listen to the way he’s talking. It’s like he’s doing a Clinton impression for crying out loud!

    We need to spend more money on these issues? NOOOOOO!

    It’s like the “save the children, spend more money on public education!”

    Worse than that: Another law that puts a requirement on private citizens. “E-verify” is just another hoop that they’re making legal American small business owners do to just for their business to exist. “E-verify” isn’t a 2nd border in any way, shape, or form. It’s an employee registry for the federal government just as the gun-control background checks are nothing more than a tool to create a federal gun registry.

    Understand: E-REGISTRY IS AN EMPLOYEE REGISTRY FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

    This bill is contradictory to liberty, not conducive to it!

  • MarsBarsTru7

    Jeff Flake – Just listen to him. He went Bill Clinton on conservatives. Listen to the way
    he’s talking. It’s like he’s doing a Clinton impression for crying out loud!

    We need to spend more money on these issues? NOOOOOO!

    It’s like the “save the children, spend more money on public education!”

    Worse than that: Another law that puts a requirement on private citizens. “E-verify” is just another hoop that they’re making legal American small business owners do to just for their business to exist. “E-verify” isn’t a 2nd border in any way, shape, or form. It’s an employee registry for the federal government just as the gun-control background checks are nothing more than a tool to create a federal gun registry.

    Understand: REQUIRING E-VERIFY IS AN EMPLOYEE REGISTRY FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

    This bill is contradictory to liberty, not conducive to it!

  • Draxx

    Mars, I couldn’t agree with you more…  It is also another way for them to say that the Internet is “Used for Business”, so there will be more Fees, Fines, and Taxes added to that system (or you will not be able to do business)…

  • Draxx

    I understand that people of other nations are coming here to better their lives, but it should be done legally and they should Respect/Obey Our Laws!

    But, I do want to draw the line when America Suffers For Letting Too Many People Abuse The Immigration System, and/or it comes at a price of Americans that were born here Losing Their Jobs To Foreigners that should not be here in the first place…

  • MarsBarsTru7

     Precisely – What our government is doing right now is creating a network to funnel every bit of information on every single American into their database and requiring us all by law to submit, and then taxing us without mercy on as much of our activity as they can, AND we’re still beholden to the mandated healthcare bill they passed, AND the NDAA has not been nullified yet…

    I could list at least two dozen things right off the top of my head… Any single one of these issues by themselves is a huge deal. Together, they set up a fascist frame for our government, and that should upset everyone.

  • Bonnie Somer

    agreed

  • Anonymous

    Compromise in Congress with Progressive Liberals means a one-way street. This is why Ronald Reagans Budget agreement ended up in a fiasco. The promised “compromise” cuts were never materialized. If I had one question to ask Jeff Flake, how will you hold their feet to the fire in getting their end of the bargain completed. Because we all know too well that they will not hold up their end of the bargain.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    The “Comprehensive Immigration Reform’ legislation is nothing more than a farce from the very start. It will do nothing to make the nation more secure, and if anything still leave us as exposed as ever, if not more so by the time the Obama administration has finished with it.

    This matter is being done to secure the votes of 11 million amnesty-granted citizens to the Socialist Democrats. The expansion of their voting base by this number will allow them to hold power for at least a generation, if not two, and reduce us to an effective one-party system.

    There is speculation that Obama and Reid have plans to let the matter be defeated in the House so they have one more matter to use against the Republicans, in addition to sequestration, in 2014.

  • Draxx

    Myself and many people I Personally Know, have Lost Their Tax Refund by the Gov’t Seizing it without notice!  More than any other time in my life, I owe on my student loans from becoming Disabled (without SSD benefits still since 2006 [and anymore I am not so sure I even want to be labeled Disabled], and I have had 5 appeals so far).  They took it without Any Notice on the day it was supposed to be deposited, they could have said right from the beginning that I would not receive it so I could plan otherwise.  Money that was going to pay my rent for two months and buy my kids some badly needed clothes was gone in an instant (and I didn’t have rent money when it was due).  They later sent a letter Stating, That They Had Sent A Letter To Appear In Court To My OLD ADDRESS (which was the same as the one I have now for the previous years taxes).  Geez, I wonder how come they did that…?  I understand that I owe but the fact that a Gov’t Agency can take without Due Process is Total F’ing BS!  They should not be able to take more than Half as a penalty and Repayment.  This is EXACTLY Why Fannie Mae Took Over Student Loans, so that the Gov’t could seize American Citizen’s Money Without Having To Go Through Due Process…

    More to come when they start attacking peoples’ IRA Accounts, and I am sure it will also be without Due Process to make us More Dependent On Their System…

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Anything that involves the least bit of a compromise with Progressives and the Democratic Socialist party means a lose-lose-lose scenario for all save for them.

  • MarsBarsTru7

     About IRAs – Obama has already proposed a bill that would limit the amount of money a person can save up for retirement. So the idea of them dipping into IRAs doesn’t phase me in the least. It’s getting so I expect things like that from them. For them *not* to do it would be a surprise.

  • Draxx

    Actually 11,000,000 is a lie and they know that, in 2005 there was a Gov’t Study done on Immigration to accuse the Republicans for letting just over 19,000,000 illegal immigrants stay in America…

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Draxx – How long do you figure it will be before a ‘banking emergency’ happens that will allow Obama to nationalize all banks and credit unions?

    The next step after that will be the seizure of all gold and other precious metals, then the establishment of a single national bank. 

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    I figured the 11 million as the initial number of adult voters they will have when the amnesty comes from Obama. The 20-22 million will be over the decade past that as their children come of age to vote.

  • Draxx

    My guess it will be at the end of this summer, that way many farmers can take out loans to put crops in the ground and maintain them until just before Harvest Season.  Then they attack the Banks and Make the Farmers Loans Due Immidiately (which they will not have the money until after the Harvest is Sold), and since they will not be able to pay they will Seize The Land and Crops, let them go rancid thus making the Food Market More Unstable and Many More Americans Dependent On Assistance To Live!  The Food Industry Goes Into a Panic, then Wall Street Will Follow and then we will have a Worse Situation Than Created By the 1925 Stock Market Crash…!

    The Worst Part I Believe Will Come When They Say The Dollar Is So Unstable That We Need To Go Into The U.N. / IMF Monetary System… (*Oh, Owning Gold and Bartering Will Become Completely illegal to Counter People Going Around the U.N. Monetary System.).  Then Americans will have to Fight or Become Part of the New World Order!

  • Draxx

    If they Open America’s Borders Completely, we will have well over 40-50 million illegal Adult Immigrants and I estimate it at 3 kids per adult pair, and 2 kids per single adults…  (my estimate is not based on Hispanic Immigrants only but rather more European & Russian/Soviet Immigrants [especially from Greece, Spain, Portugal, Georgia, and Siberia]).  That is within 10 years of the border being completely opened…  *Note: Except there might be Guards Stationed At The Borders To Keep People In The “New America”, so that they don’t lose their slaves!

  • http://twitter.com/albanach68 Thomas Wells

    I never understood why Glen would ever support this Jeff Flake, he is nothing more than a younger John McCain. I hope that now he is finally seen thru this liberal Republican. Flake is for gun control, amnesty, increased government spending and also downright dishonest.

  • http://twitter.com/albanach68 Thomas Wells

    Flake and company should be run out office, I say a recall would send a message loud and clear.

  • http://twitter.com/albanach68 Thomas Wells

    Does anyone really believe that Flake, McCain and company will ever enforce any of the enforcement sections of there amnesty bill? Not a chance in hell.

  • Draxx

    Oops, I made a mistake…

    They would No Longer Be illegal immigrants!

  • Draxx

    McCain, lost his morals back in 1995, I cannot remember the Bill He Voted On right now, but it was his pivoting moment into NWO under Bush Sr.

  • Anonymous

    A fence works great in Israel, please Sen. Flake (what a great political name), explain why it will not work here.  Sen. Flake, please explain why we are securing borders in Afghanistan while our  ports and borders to a great extent are wide open.  Sen. Flake, please explain how drones, cameras, and ground sensors will hold and detain illegal entries at the border. 

  • http://twitter.com/albanach68 Thomas Wells

    Jeff Flake is not an honest man. He gave a pledge in 1996 that he would abide by term limits and as soon as he got a liking for Washington he decided that term limits are not for him. GB should understand this guy is a complete sellout and fraud

  • ThorsteinVeblen2012

    Why is it that increasing the standard of living in Mexico and Latin America is never brought up and a deterrent to immigration?

    When the President of Honduras tried to raise the minimum wage he was overthrown in a coup that had the approval of the Obama Administration.

    Wikileaks revealed that the State Department worked to keep the Haitian government from raising minimum wages.

    Mexico is rich in resources and Mexicans are hard working people. The wealthiest man in the world is a Mexican. Mexicans are so poor they either cross the border to work or join the drug cartels.

    Why?

    Because  our government works for the profits of multinational corporations over the security of Americans.

  • MarsBarsTru7

    Honduras has the highest murder rate in the world. Bad example. 

    “Minimum wage” is a political tool and a collectivist policy. It’s not conducive to freedom/liberty.

    And security can only ever be illusory. Yeah, it’s our government’s primary duty to preserve and protect our rights and sovereignty. And in doing so, they must have martial forces to deal with threats to our rights and sovereignty. But trading liberty for security is a losing game, and not one I’m willing to play. For in losing our liberty, there is nothing left for our government to preserve and protect aside from our loyalty to the government as the identity of the nation.

    I’m no blind nationalist. My loyalty is to this nation as a free nation. My patriotism is reserved for an ideal America that stands for and stands on a foundation of liberty. The less this government represents that position, the less my loyalty to this government.

  • ThorsteinVeblen2012

    The murder rate of Honduras is irrelevant, rather it makes it more relevant. I’d like Hondurans to stay in Honduras.

    Your dismissal by semantics, by labeling raising the standard of living or minimum wage as “collectivist” is dishonest. If raising the minimum wage alleviates immigration here who cares whether you think it is “collectivist?”

    Everything else you wrote is gibberish wrapped in a flag, except that you make your “loyalty” contingent. This being a democratic republic you don’t always have your criteria met.

    Who cares what you think?

    Perhaps you should go back to Cuba or where ever you came from. Cuba under Bastista must have wonderful, if you had mob connections.

  • MarsBarsTru7

    Exactly!

    We’re still giving in to them. We’re compromising *for* them if we support this bill. We’re still headed in the direction they are taking us. We are better off with nothing new at all than something new that compromises with them. It’s insane to compromise under the premise of solving problems when your compromise takes you further in the direction of policies that created the problems in the first place!

  • http://youtu.be/0iRCvDwF26Q Sam Fisher

    They did not come here legally then they should be thrown out. If they don’t like their government then they should man up and fix the mess they voted for.

  • landofaahs

    Seal the border.  Don’t pass a law that says you cannot get a job unless you have the mark of the beast. 

  • landofaahs

    They want a law that says you cannot get a job without the mark of the beast.

  • Kanak Attack

    Do these guys even know how to fix the border???  Flake is talking like someone who just went to an hour presentation on border security and decided to come up with his own solution off the top of his head.  He gives generalizations and theories and technical terms…  My gosh it’s so annoying!  Ask the blasted military how to seal the border!!!  Put them in charge of it, not you morons in Washington!

  • Kanak Attack

    Whatever disease it is that infects every single person that enters Washington needs to be cut out immediately and violently if necessary.  This is just beyond ridiculous anymore.

  • Anonymous

     Actually you bring up a good point. Under Clinton and then Bush who followed on his heels, the world experienced a trade imbalance which led to a financial crisis, thus Fanny Mae – Freddy Max. By the time Obama hit the scene, we were already in a currency war, where politicians seek to cheat economic laws. Governments print money to pay debt and devalue their currency. Maybe that’s why Obama wasn’t all that interested in central/south American minimum wages. Unfortunately, this policy, all too often, leads directly into trade wars. The biggest factor in using this political mechanism and one hardly anyone (especially politicians on both sides of the isle) are willing to admit is, after these political maneuvers have exhausted themselves – Hot War is usually the only option left on the table. Where nations use every weapon at their disposal to destroy one another.

    Greed, lies at the heart of the problem. Men, it seems, are willing to shed blood – even that of the innocent, rather than come to the table, to gain a more workable solution, bringing a viable conclusion reguarding the  problem at hand.  

  • Anonymous

    Why not try and stop 100% of illegal immigrants?
    Marginal cost of stopping illegal immigrants increases with each illegal you stop.  At some point the cost is just too high.
    Most of Glenn’s anger seems to be predicated on the idea that we can stop terrorism.  You can’t stop terror, just like you can’t stop murder.  You can limit it and you can respond to it.  You can’t stop it.

  • MarsBarsTru7

    You’re playing politics to skate around the issue. Telling people that Latin America is doing better today than it was yesterday doesn’t matter to anyone thinking rationally. They’re still coming here and they’re coming here because we’re still way better off than they are and because they can. And they’re still coming here because they still have rampant poverty, out of control violence, and despotic governments. Increasing standard of living? By what standard for comparison?

    The reason I dismissed your nonsense was because you cited “minimum wage” as if it was some amazing political cure. I don’t even have to verify the information you’re claiming. I can take the fight right to what you’re advocating, as it’s obvious you’re clueless.

    You’re a self-professed liberal? Then be intellectually honest about what your positions are. If you’re not ignorant, then just come out and admit that minimum wage is collectivist and you support collectivism. Just be straight about the fact that in your mind it’s perfectly fine to sell liberty for the illusion of security. Just admit that your position isn’t related to any moral standard at all, but simply pragmatism.

    And we’re a constitutional republic, jackass. Republics are inherently democratic in the sense that republics have democratic elections. So, calling any republic a “democratic republic” is redundant. But while we elect officials through democratic elections, the authority of those officials is conditional on the authority afforded them by the Constitution. Without abiding by the Constitution, there is no legitimacy to the existence of their “authority”. Thus – constitutional republic.

    Cuba? Batista? The rest of your commentary was just drivel.

  • Anonymous

     more illegals are leaving the country now than coming in b/c the situation in mexico has improved.

  • Anonymous

     What if “manning up” requires them to wage a bloody civil war. America is now in a national crisis, that neither political party is willing to admit, they havn’t the slightest clue how to fix, will Americans soon be required to “man up” in solving this obvious immovable object that confronts us. If so, that may be the very means of our own destruction. Then what? Are we really all that different than they? I’m not being sarcastic, but simply looking at the immigration problem through a slightly different lens.

  • http://youtu.be/0iRCvDwF26Q Sam Fisher

    I know and I respect a lot of what you say but I feel they need to do something Mexico is getting more unstable by the day and the more unstable Mexico is the more violence we have crossing the broader. They will be a better people if they just put their collective foot down and say no more B.S. some tried and where gunned down by their true rulers the drug cartels. They all need to make a stand or lose their country and that is bad for us in this country.

  • ThorsteinVeblen2012

    Which would make my point.

    More likely because the US economy is still in the tank and there are no jobs to come here to get.

  • Anonymous

    In many ways, Mexico is already a lost cause, today, its evil is starting to directly effect the United States. Now, today, is the time for our government officials to acknowledge that fact and organize with the Mexican Government – a genuine first strike option against the destructive drug cartels, for they are the real power behind today’s Mexico and not the politicians who fear them. America needs to get a grip on what is really taking place across its own southern border and quick. The problem is, most Americans are no longer willing to go the route of war. Thus, the never ending game of political correctness spawns even more brazen enemies who wish us harm. If our government officials were as corrupt as those in Mexico and in many other Latin American countries, I suppose we’d be headed there way, but thank God, so far at least, its the other way round. But, if Obama continues down his road of destruction from within, a Socialist agenda on how to collapse the great America, then who knows, maybe South America might not seem so bad.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bobwms Robert A. Williams

    Why not just take “baby steps” first? Secure the border, and get E-Verify fully implemented first. Then take the next step, such as potentially giving some illegals who look like good candidates a Green Card. Forget the path to citizenship. They don’t really want to learn the language, anyway. Their objective is to make the U.S.A. into Mexico Norte. Just ask La Raza.

  • ThorsteinVeblen2012

    I live close to the Mexican border. Most Mexicans, most Hondurans, Salvadorans etc. would rather live with their families if they could make a decent living.

    A living wage, minimum wage, a decent living is why people have been coming here for four hundred years, Jackass.

    You dance around the point that pressuring or rather allowing Latin American countries to set raising their standards of living as a national policy would alleviate the inflow of immigrants to this country.

    Call it collectivism, call it national policy, call it chicken soup. If it solves the immigration issue I could care what a Jackass calls it.

  • Anonymous

    Like all the Republican Progressive Senators Flake is just another one who was promised something (Money? Power?) to join the Communist tagged named Gang of Eight. Sounds like thugs, you don’t join them, something nasty will happen to you. As far as I am concerned all the Presidents, Senators, and Congressmen are Traitors to our Freedom and our life as a free people. We can never trust the Big Government or small Government to work for we the people. They work against us and only for themselves.

  • MarsBarsTru7

    Sure thing idiot. That makes total sense. Because the minimum wage is why our country is what it is today. It has nothing to do with the overwhelmingly Christian moral culture or the founding documents setting a precedent for liberty or the opportunity to own their own private property/business etc…

    And of course our illegal immigration problem is tied to minimum wage. What else, right? I mean, come here as an illegal immigrant and get minimum wage… Oh, but wait… Aren’t illegal immigrants usually paid less than minimum wage? Huh. So… they come here illegally and get less than minimum wage… How does that minimum wage thing work out again?

    Setting a minimum wage isn’t synonymous with raising standards. It’s an economic imposition by the government used to manipulate the economy. It doesn’t improve prosperity one whit. They could have a $20/hr minimum wage and all it would do is play havoc with the economy… Just like our minimum wage does with ours.

    Oh yeah, and I live close to the Mexican border too, here in So. California, and it gives no more weight to my argument than where you live does to yours. Ideas stand on their own merit. Street credit is for criminals, not rational discussion.

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.johnson.142240 David Johnson

    I tried to get Mr. Flakes views on illegal aliens many times while he was a congressman. He would never give a straight answer. I liked how he went after pork, he made sure none came to Pinal county where I live and He ruled. But everyone out here are already writing on his facebook page that he’ll be retiring on his next election if he keeps up this amnesty path. Secure Borders, Nationwide E-Verify, No Amnesty Zones, Guest Worker Visa’s only for farm workers not construction, manufacturing, & other jobs companies want to pay slave wages!

  • Anonymous

    I like Iowa Congressman King’s idea of making all wages paid to an illegal non tax deductible, that would slow down the rate of people coming across the borders today not in some distant never never land that would never happen.

  • ThorsteinVeblen2012

    Now there’s a smoldering pile of manure.

    You shouldn’t need to be reminded that there is not reference to God, Jesus, Christians, Christianity in the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation or the Constitution. Why not?

    Perhaps you have some attention deficit issues going on here. My point was pressuring Mexico and the Latin American countries to raise their standards of living so they don’t have to cross the border.

    You want to label that collectivism and dismiss it because collectivism is a naughty word.

    Go stew you your manure.

  • ThorsteinVeblen2012

    Now there’s a smoldering pile of manure.

    You shouldn’t need to be reminded that there is not reference to God, Jesus, Christians, Christianity in the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation or the Constitution. Why not?

    Perhaps you have some attention deficit issues going on here. My point was pressuring Mexico and the Latin American countries to raise their standards of living so they don’t have to cross the border.

    You want to label that collectivism and dismiss it because collectivism is a naughty word.

    Go stew you your manure.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=48211789 Lisa Tyler

    How abou the Visas we pass out, how about worry about who flies ito our country? How about when we issue a student Visa, we follow up and make sure the student is enrolled where they’re supposed to be? Mexicans are a small proportion of our worries, as large of a problem as that is!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=48211789 Lisa Tyler

    Hello, we have people trying to kill us!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=48211789 Lisa Tyler

    Hello, we have people trying to kill us!

  • MarsBarsTru7

    Declaration of Independence
    excerpts:
    “…the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them…”
    “…that they are endowed by their Creator…”
    “…appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world…”
    “…with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence…”

    That’s one. I’ll get to the others in time. Stick around… or do some reading yourself.

  • MarsBarsTru7

    Declaration of Independence
    excerpts:
    “…the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them…”
    “…that they are endowed by their Creator…”
    “…appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world…”
    “…with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence…”

    That’s one. I’ll get to the others in time. Stick around… or do some reading yourself.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=48211789 Lisa Tyler

    Seiously, we have politicians taking over healthcare, going after gun control, worried about anything and everything except the one thing government is supposed to do which is defend us and protect our security! The government does not give a damb about us at all!!!

  • MarsBarsTru7

    “Pressuring Mexico and Latin America to raise their standards…”
    Yeah, you have an obvious penchant for disregarding self-determination. Raise their standards eh? So, understanding that creating a minimum wage isn’t going to magically make their countries better, what precisely do you propose pressuring them to do to make their people better off? Here’s an idea – How about we simply encourage their governments to give their people liberty and pledge to protect that liberty and allow their people to develop as a nation according to their will and ability? And how about we simply enforce our immigration laws?

    I can’t help but wonder how much influence the public school system might have had on the development of your irrational thinking.

  • Anonymous

    As I’ve already said;  principles are the first victims of compromise.

    Demands for your Elected Representatives (YOU’RE the Boss, they are your EMPLOYEES).
    - Secure the border NOW, and deport illegal aliens. That is a Constitutional imperative AND a matter of National Security.
    - Illegal aliens inside Our Country must be penalized without trial; NEVER a chance at citizenship, NEVER receive ANY “benefits”, NO “entitlements”, and NO voting EVER.
    - All employers MUST make best effort verification of American citizenship or Visa status WITH legal signature of applicants. Carta Matrícula Consular is unacceptable!
    - Tie foreign aid to border security on the south side.
    - You politicians are failing in your Oath and DUTY, and that is TREASON.

    The cheap produce / domestic servants (shhh) / meat-packing / landscaping “economic offsets” are BLOWN AWAY by the truly staggering costs of our illegal alien “community”. In California alone, over a Billion dollars per MONTH.

    I understand that most of South- and Central-America (being failed Socialist states) are worthy of refugee exodus – BUT – the illegal aliens need to stay home and destroy “the System” THERE – and NOT come here to destroy OUR Country.

  • Anonymous

    Unbelievable. Flake just kept “explaining” what the problem is over and over and over but never gave a single solution. I was as insulted by being talked to like a 3rd grader as much as Glen. The gang of 8 have no earthly idea how to fix this. And Shumer/McCain/Graham/Durbin combo assures there will be NOTHING in a bill that will change anything. I think the best they can do right now is build the damn fence. Once that’s done, we can work on the rest.

  • Anonymous

    I am sorry to see that Glenn  has always been a fan of Senator Jeff Flake (R-AZ) for ANY reason–oh maybe personal hygiene or such.But having been an original supporter of Jeff Flake when he first ran for the House I soon learned this: When push come to shove Jeff Flakes folds and runs away. We say him hid during the Obama Care vote ‘for family reasons” then just recently bowed before Senator Charles Shumer during the Firearms Registration/background checks ‘compromise’. Senator Charles Shumer released him from his pledge when it became obvious the bill was going down to defeat–not exactly a profile in courage.

    Immigration reform? As with McCain they will ‘secure the border’ in some distant future, maybe, and lie about it all along. Senator Jeff Flake (R-AZ) was a major reason I left the Party in 2012 after 44 dedicated, precinct working years

  • Anonymous

    Anyone who is working with the likes of mccain, schumer and graham, you can bet that if they are not progressives now they are on their way.  Did you ever notice you just have to look at these people and see progressive written all over them..  Rubio has at this time, progress, not to long he will be sporting the ive, full progressive.  How sad, there was such hope in him.

  • Anonymous

    Glenn why don’t you ask him to pass it in pieces – if it’s so good for each of us and them then it should go through in pieces – comprehensive screws us all – the e-verify first and …

  • bucketnutz

    I feel like the Fuller Brush man just left the building, and the snake oil salesman is next. I would not trust any of those heathens in Washington because of their record and History which tops their promises.

  • Anonymous

    .oh come on! cut me a break! finish the wall,arm the border agents,tell them to shoot,end of story.

  • ThorsteinVeblen2012

    None of them make any explicit definition in terms of Christianity. “Nature’s God” could be defined as witchcraft.

    You keep looking.

    Because the “the founding fathers” were deists like Thomas Paine who if they professed a religion it was as a display for the masses or they were Unitarians.

    They kept the company of mistresses, courtesans and whores, and slave women. When Franklin went to England he stayed with one of the prominent members of the one of the “Hell fire clubs”

    Paine wrote “The Age of Reason” a frontal attack on organized religion. He got in trouble for putting into writing what many of them believed but thought religion had its place in keeping the masses in place.

  • Anonymous

    Part of the problem is that the IRS is not a gvt agency. It is NOWHERE in Title 31, and nowhere in the entirety of
    Title 5 U.S.C. as well.  Congress only created the Commissioner’s Office. You cannot find any IRS employee listed as an Employee of the United States
    Government with a United States Employee Identification number that has been
    hired by any District Director in the country.

    Look at 27 Code of Federal Regulations Section 250.11 and therein you will find
    the definition of “Revenue agent.” That definition reads “Any duly authorized
    Commonwealth Internal Revenue Agent of the Department of the Treasury of Puerto
    Rico.”

  • Anonymous

    Part of the problem is that the IRS is not a gvt agency. It is NOWHERE in Title 31, and nowhere in the entirety of Title 5 U.S.C. as well.  Congress only created the Commissioner’s Office. You cannot find any IRS employee listed as an Employee of the U.S. Gvt with a U.S. Employee Identification number that has been hired by any District Director in the country.

    Look at 27 Code of Federal Regulations Section 250.11 and therein you will find the definition of “Revenue agent.” That definition reads “Any duly authorized Commonwealth Internal Revenue Agent of the Department of the Treasury of Puerto Rico.”

  • Anonymous

    U.S. Border Patrol records the number of apprehensions at the border at an
    average of about one million. This is the number that get caught, not the ones
    that succeed.

    http://www.theamericanresistance.com/ref/illegal_alien_numbers.html

    I am just a wee bit confused on the illegal immigrant numbers… anyone who
    knows me knows I like to crunch numbers so where in the HELL are these traitors
    getting this 11M number from? They have screwed the numbers so badly from a
    flawed calculating method and outright lying that it is laughable to think they
    know what the hell they are talking about. They use the “residual” method –
    more like the ‘fudging calculator’ for their data. They make adjustments for
    everything; They do not count babies born from illegal immigrants. They “guess”
    on how many have died (as if this isn’t published or kept track of) and they
    make up for an ‘undercount’ of foreign-born residents in the census that’s done
    once every 10 years – as if this is also not of record as to how many obtained
    citizenship. Now why would they take estimates of foreign born and legal
    foreign born when they have hard numbers on all births and all approved
    citizenships? WHY? Then again, this is intentional to muddy the waters and LIE,
    LIE, LIE!

    Let’s start with 1986, the year of the Reagan amnesty when over 3 million
    were granted citizenship. Washington arbitrarily estimates that every year
    since 1986, a half million illegal aliens take up residence in this country,
    either by over-staying their visa or by crossing into this country
    illegally. From then until 2011 (25 years), the federal government estimated
    that between 3-4 million people entered the country illegally, but that only 1
    million were intercepted by the Border Patrol and immediately returned. So, that
    means that between 50-75 million people successfully entered the U.S. illegally.
    Every year, approx .5 million were caught and deported, so that reduces the
    total to between 37.5-62.5 million. Pro-illegal supporters claim that between
    .5-1 million illegals ‘self-deported’, which brings the total down to 25-50
    million. Because my numbers are non-scientific, I’ll allow for a 10% error
    factor – but that only reduces the number to between 22.5-45 million. Given the
    range, the median estimate would be something around 34 million.

    In a letter dated February 2004, no less an authority than Arizona Senator
    John McCain recognized that Border Patrol apprehension figures demonstrated that
    “almost four million people crossed our borders illegally 2002.” If we just KEEP
    it at that number alone for every year since (which you know they are just
    walking over now that the Muslim in chief and his Mr. Evil DOJ Holder look the
    other way – unless of course they are handing them guns), that would total 44
    million. Right.. and if you believe the 11.anything figure, you’re a freaking
    moron. 58% of my town in San Antonio is Hispanic. You do some thinking on
    that… if they are the majority, how many of those are illegal with a
    conservative 4 million crossing the border every year since 2003!?

    Or how about when in 2007 the feds, and pro-illegal groups were citing 20
    million. You mean to tell me that in 4 years time 8.5 million deported
    themselves? I find that hard to believe.

    Or maybe in 2004 when the former Bear Stearns issued a study in which they
    calculated over 20 million illegal aliens were in this country. They also
    concluded the monies unpaid to the IRS as a result of illegals being paid off
    the books would have, at that time, paid off the federal deficit.

    Maybe it somewhere in these numbers from Homeland Security Department.
    Estimates from them were 11.5 million ‘unauthorized immigrants’ (whatever the
    hell they are considering THAT to be) in January 2011. The Pew Hispanic Center
    estimates there were 11.1 million in March 2011.

    So either all these illegals have died or self deported since 2003. NOT!
    Freaking LIARS! ALL OF THEM!

    When you consider that all current proposed amnesty bills contain a
    provision to allow each illegal alien, to then bring 4-5 relatives
    to the U.S., you are looking at a truly astounding number of low income, low
    information individuals. Bingo…. DEMOCRAT VOTERS! If Congress does pass an
    amnesty bill, the resulting chain-migration could translate into an additional
    250 million new U.S. citizens, practically overnight. In short, it would change
    this country…forever. What am I saying, it IS changing this country into a 3rd
    world country. Also by doing so it would assure Democratic control of the White
    House and Congress for the next several generations.

    This is what Obama wants and why Obama wants to count illegal aliens this
    year’s Census. We will be told that granting citizenship to such a large group
    of people at once will be a tremendous boost to our tax base, and end our
    exploding budget deficits. Of course, the vast majority of illegal aliens do not
    now, nor will they ever make enough money to even qualify for income taxes, they
    will simply join the 48 percent of Americans who currently pay nothing and many
    of those are on assistance programs. Wait until you get the bill on
    THAT!

  • MarsBarsTru7

     Btw… Notice that it changed to being from me to being from “Guest” and there was a second version of it… I guess it disappeared.
    I went to edit it and *this* happens. Crossed wires somewhere.

    Oh well.

  • Anonymous

     I’ve heard this before, that the IRS is not a government agency.  What I don’t understand is, if the IRS is not part of the government, what is it? A consultant? A much-hated arm of ????  I’d like to know where I can look to learn more about this; any chance you could share sources you use to get this info?  Often, people here talk about such things as though we all know all about them, but, with the exception of those who post here almost daily, we don’t.  As Glenn always urges: “do your own research”, so I’d like to do so.  I will just start looking around the government sites, but would appreciate any help you can offer to assist me and others to be able to do our own research and then pass the information on.  Thanks, in advance.

  • Draxx

     Yes, I have actually known since I was a teenager in the 80′s that the IRS is not a sanctioned branch/office for the Fed Gov’t…

  • Diane H

    flake is hopeless

  • Anonymous

     Now you have my attention.  A long time ago, in the 1970s to be precise, I studied some of this due to some predictions by some religious groups that 1984 was going to be the end. I have since heard of many who claim to know almost the exact day when “it” happens (don’t want to start another thread over nuances of religions!).  I did not believe them, which turned out to be the right thing to do.  It did help me learn more about what to look for to know when to be prepared for what is going to happen because mankind has become more a lover of self than of God and His Principles.  I got little else out of the whole experience, as even those who are proven wrong about their self-serving predictions and ideas simply create new falsehoods to follow, rather than turn to something which is different  but has been proven true over thousands of years, for reasons I cannot fathom.

    But, one thing I did get out of it, was how QUICKLY things can happen even when considering all that must happen.  I don’t know how others feel, but at times, I kinda’ get rocked back on my heels at how fast we seem to be going down, and I almost can’t accept what is happening.  Almost.  The truth is, though, all the ills (which may also be called “sins”) which societies have accumulated over many centuries, which have survived to show up in later societies among “the people” if not blatantly, openly in the governments, such as is happening now, seem to be reaching a crescendo of social pain and polarizing agony, which some can almost FEEL, while many others seem to think things will just go on forever this way.  So there seems to be an attitude now among progressives: “so what if the US crumbles and the old institutions, traditions and ideas also fail.  We will just use the rubble to make new bricks and build something more to our liking; something which will be utopian because, after all, we are superior to the flawed people who came before, and all those who are now opposing us, and we will rule in ways which will eliminate most, perhaps all, the ills and problems of past attempts at socialism/communism/communalism by virtue of our superior combined intellects and thus, our ideas…..etc etc.  The people themselves are too dumb to figure out how to rule themselves, so they need us to rule over them and do what we decide is best in spite of the effects it may have on them”.

    Too bad there are so few real historians who know real history, instead of those who alter the past to justify what they want now.  Like in Orwell’s “1984, we have a “Truth Agency” which finds discrepancies between actual history and the history which would justify what the current dictator(s) are doing, destroys them, and creates a “new history”, conveniently in step with what is being done now by progressives (of all parties) which is untruthful but which keeps enough people pacified to prevent opposition strong enough to be a problem.  We have as a result a populace deeply convinced that what Obama et al is doing is justified by the altered history, which only exists verbally in most cases, passed along from person to person.

    Even considering all this (and I apologize for drawing it out so much; it is so difficult to be aware of so much that is being done wrong, and where it is leading, and just whisper a bit of it here and there, once in a while, when I really want to get in the face of every American and shout it all to them!), as Glenn has more recently begun to say, there is really only one thing which can save us, which is to “build the Kingdom of God”, as he said a couple days ago.  When I try to describe what is wrong and what to do in so many words, I find myself sinking deeper and deeper in details, with each detail unveiling two or three more, until the descriptions of what is wrongly believed and done overwhelm possible humanistic solutions.  On the other hand, when considering the concept “build the Kingdom of God”, everything becomes simpler and clearer as I progress through it, and the feeling I get is encouraging.  The only negative is the obvious futility that many of the folks who are pushing us into the pit of oblivion do not listen, and that the idea of building the Kingdom is foolishness to them; so many of the things which have made modern life so rich are also things which have taken us away from God and the Truths He has taught us and stands behind for all time.  How can we possibly overcome the spreading lack of faith in America?  I don’t know; all I can do is do my best to live those truths as an example to those who believe they are foolish, hoping that occasionally someone will become interested in knowing about them.  I am not so “good” that I can always exemplify Truth, but I must try all I can.

  • Anonymous

     ABSOLUTELY.  Absolutely.  I can’t think of anything else to add to your comment here.  It is precisely what we all should say and believe, and sacrifice to defend.

  • jalinatx

    Jeff Flake and Marco Rubio have sold their souls to the communists and can no longer be trusted! He tried to blow smoke up Glenn’s butt but Glenn is much smarter than that and called him out on that. No illegals in this country anymore send all anchor babies back to the countries their parents came from and take Obama and his little family with you! No more welfare, and entitlements for all foreigners! I tired of paying for it!

  • Anonymous

    Compromise= the progressives win you ignorant fool. It is better to do nothing.

  • Anonymous

     ABSOLUTELY.  Absolutely.  I can’t think of anything else to add to your comment here.  It is precisely what we all should say and believe, and sacrifice to defend.

  • Laura

    WHAT?? THAT POS DICTATOR!! IT IS NOT HIS MONEY!! I HATE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

     I am quite certain we could stop illegal immigration, or in other words, eliminate it as a serious problem.  Are we willing to do what is needed?  Of course not.  We are too dependent on people who were just recently having theoretical arguments in school about age-old topics such as redistribution of wealth, immigration, and many other topics which arise when a nation is built and governed.  These things are interesting intellectual exercises; I enjoyed them myself when I was in college.  But, it is folly to believe that these kinds of concepts can be implemented in the practical world of government and “politics”.  George Washington feared “politics” so much that he warned the first Congress not to allow a two party system to infect the country.  Think about it.  If you have only one “party”, which means NO parties, you are going to have to think about, debate, work on and hopefully solve problems which affect everyone.  That’s “governing”.  However, if you have a party system, eventually you wind up thinking about, debating, and working on the furthering of the members of your party.  That leads to corruption because instead of the mutual interests of the country being the main object of your labors, only the self-interests of your party, and eventually, yourself, are going to occupy the center of your thoughts and actions.  What do we hear from Washington, mostly.  We hear mostly about what one or the other party is doing to another party.  If there is a problem, instead of 100 Senators working to solve the problem, we have two groups of Senators, Democrats and Republicans, arguing over collective party interests.  Two teams playing football with the future of hundreds of millions of citizens and their children.  It isn’t long before those who have been there for a couple years are mostly looking out for themselves, making as much as they can from their offices as Senators, setting up deals which benefit them, etc., while the welfare of the country is left to a collective party statement which all must support or risk their gravy train being derailed.

    I know those who founded America were not perfect.  They were “sinners”, just like you and me.  They gave in to weaknesses, personal and political.  But there were times when they were lifted above that by a cause that was greater than anything else they could do.  We need that kind of influence today.  We cannot go on electing people who used dirty disgusting tactics to destroy their opponents in order to win an election.  All we get is the lesser of two evils, neither of which may have been a good choice.  We don’t elect the best President every four years; we “elect” the best deceiver, the one who can fool us the best, and make us think they do not have human weakness when they demonstrate it every day while they campaign.  Then, we are angry when we learn our candidate we elected is not perfect, or, is no more perfect than their opponent.

    Instead of trying out this or that failed government which can only work if those who run it are nearly perfect, religious, self-sacrificing, exemplary people who have absolutely no need to promote or satisfy themselves, we must formulate a government which can work well when imperfect, selfish, lousy people run it.  Our republic form of government worked as well in that way as could be expected with fallible humans running it.  We are in trouble now because we are trying to go back to the socialist, idealist forms of government.  The ones we elect are the ones we have deluded ourselves into believing they are so nearly perfect in the ideas, attitudes and intention, and have been absolutely honest with us, they can be given absolute power over us even if we must surrender rights and privileges which were bought with the blood of our citizens in times past.  We give them too much power, and when they usurp even that, we stand aghast and complain.  What fools we are!  He is exactly the person he showed himself to be for over two years as he ran for office.  He is at least being “honest” about that: he acted like a selfish, incompetent, weak, self-serving “kept” man who never worked a day in his life to pay his own way, yet we elected him thinking he would be more honest, hard-working and devoted than his opponent, who had lived a life of service, hard work, and could prove he knew how to do the job.  It was the party system which caused this evil mistake, which put a man who may be destined to destroy America in its highest office and continues to give him the power to do so.

    Obama has never shown that he was worthy of the power he now wields.  Yet, he was elected by a mojority of citizens WHO VOTED.  It would have been different if so many citizens had not been too busy to be bothered with voting.  It isn’t very pretty to say the truth, but, everyone had to know Obama was not a good person if for no other reason than the way he behaved, the things he and his party said, while campaigning.  Look at how little of his time, talent and strength are devoted to being president!  It is at best at part time job for him.  Most of his time is spent either fooling around with friends in sports activities (and he isn’t even very good at those), vacationing with his family spending hundreds of millions of dollars on their luxury while millions of his citizens, many of whom voted for him hoping he would solve their problems, go hungry, can’t get medical treatments, and lack other necessities Obama has never had to earn in his entire life.  How can we possibly look the other way?  Are we so in love with our posessions that we are willing to prostitute ourselves for them rather than stand up and fight for what is right?  I guess we are, because we do look the other way, we do refuse to “talk about politics”, we do prostitute ourselves for the posessions we cherish more than our own freedoms and rights.

  • NPC

     Very well thought out and well said.
    I understand your frustration as well. There is a lot of screaming going on in a lot of these discussions, with very little real accomplishment or rather none, at least nothing  to hang your hat on. The politicians just keep doing their thing, the only goal they have is, ‘how can I be important’ or at least ‘I need to sound important’. The politicians that are winding up in Government, of all levels forget why they are sent to run the Country, or I should say get smoozed out of putting the Country first. It’s a ‘good ol’ boys club, and I don’t expect it to change any time soon, at least not in my life time anymore.
    We haven’t done our future generations any favors, and that is one of the biggest sins we could ever admit.

  • http://www.moneyvsgold.com/ Buzz Hill

    Sure they will pass E-Verify, but it will never be enforced.  Right now Police officers pull over illegals who have no visa, which is against the law, but they are not deported.  If they will not or do not enforce the laws currently on the books, then why should we believe they will enforce the new E-Verify law.  They won’t and they know it.  You will still see businesses that have illegals working there and nothing will happen to them.

    Second, the idea that the illegals are going to pay a fine of $2000 is a complete lie, they will give them waivers and let them go to citizenship.  Nothing they say or have said will happen, build a fence -NO, Enforce the laws – NO, seal the border – NO

    The result will be more lack of enforcement of the law, because why arrest the illegal just suggest to them to go apply for citizenship and let them go.  No one is arrested for breaking immigration laws now and they won’t be when this law is passed.  The only thing this new law will create is more money for the Government to waste with the same results of the billions already send down the drain with their other bright ideas.

  • stu cap

    What is in this bill that would make illegal immigrants come out of the shadows?   If they do, they have to register, pay a fine, stay employed, and pay income taxes… what do they get???   They currently receive free education for there kids; free hospital care (although they would probably qualify for  Obamacare, once “legal”); free food stamps; in-state college tuition breaks in many States; and get driver licenses in many States.    And thanks to Obama’s  “executive” and regulatory immigration changes, Holder’s Attorney General’s office suing ever State that has tried to enforce the immigration policies on the books, Congress for blocking e-verify, and the host of sanctuary cities and States that are out there, they NOW roam freely anyway.      So, what is the incentive???  Remember a week, or so, ago when the labor unions signed off on the immigration bill?     The only thing illegals are still faced with is a total lack of labor representation… better wages, getting paid, and better working conditions.   Here is where the Unions come in, and hence the incentive to illegals!     Unions in turn get more members, meaning more dues, meaning more money to contribute to political campaigns!!!    We shouldn’t fear the though that illegals will one day, in the future, get to vote… that fear is front and center the day this bill passes!!!      Keep in mind, that there is nothing in this bill law enforcement-wise that is not already on the books, or can be amended to so that it is inclusive… WE JUST NEED TO ENFORCE THEM!     We are being played for fools America- from both sides of the aisle- Stand Up, Speak Up, Wake Up!!!

  • http://suzeraining.wordpress.com/ suz

    i say don’t allot money until there’s a plan.  if they cannot articulate how it is to be done then they get nada.

  • http://www.absoluteintensity.com dennis reilly

    This guy Flake and the rest of the politicians are all crooks. They let people in here and don’t even know what they are doing. He is responsible for the Boston bombing as much as the rest of the politicians. All of them should resign. I can’t see why Beck respects him when he terats him like a schmuck.

  • http://www.absoluteintensity.com dennis reilly

    Listen to this liar. They don’t come to work here but get welfare that Flake gives them!!!

  • DukeNukemAll

    You have to have term limits to get rid of these career politicians.  They will cater to the lazy worthless Americans who will vote them back in.  You will have to purge the crooks out.. We’re screw’d otherwise..

  • Anonymous

    This Amnesty bill will ensure the Democrats never lose a national election again because they will all vote for the progressives.  This is contrary to some of the hispanics that have come forward to tell us they are conservative.  I believe most hispanics that come to our country illegally are die hard socialists and will only vote for Democrats.

  • Anonymous

    President Obama has absolutely no intention of closing the border. After five years of failure a commission will kick in to close the border and nothing will happen then either. Government has absolutely no credibility on this issue. Veritably seal the border first and then after five years document the workers and then it would be credible. Most will not earn enough money to pay taxes so that part is a scam also. This new program is merely to court the Latino vote and will encourage more Mexicans to cross the border. Shut off the social system to illegals and impose a $10,000 fine on anyone who employs them. There is no more effective way to seal the border than that. There has always been worker permits for farm workers. We do not operate under Rule of Law anymore so no one bothers anymore to get them.

  • TWF

    It’s been so sad to see how Flake’s been seemingly co-opted by McCain since he got into the Senate. 

  • bumpkin

    Bullstuff!  Obama cant even pass e-verify.  There is NO way they will make any illegal pass it if the POTUS himself can’t.  He needs those votes too much.  Oh, I promise he isn’t done politicking yet. – Oh, and BTW, thanks, GB.com, for the edit button! :)

  • MarsBarsTru7

    Excellent post.

    This life is temporary. It’s brief, in the grand scheme of things… as long as it sometimes seems and as dreary as some days may be. It’s important that we remember that the ultimate battle is already won. What we’re here for is to make choices. That goes for everyone, no matter your status in life. From the seemingly most pathetic to the seemingly most elite. What God cares about are the choices we make. He’s not watching to see if we’re all Einsteins or Solomons. He’s paying attention to why we do what we do. What’s in our hearts and minds when we make our decisions? Are we striving to improve?

    The world can be discouraging. But our successes and failures in the projects we take on aren’t nearly as important as – Are the things that we do and say righteous by God’s standards? And, are we doing what we do to the best of our ability? Even the humblest among us may be among the most impressive individuals to God, based on what’s in their heart and mind and the choices they make.

  • Anonymous

    I’m just can’t support this new bill. Every time the dems
    propose anything it has hooks in it. My fear is that the parts they want will
    be enacted on and the others will be neglected thus they win again, so I just can’t
    TRUST any of them. Sorry! They are the masters of lies and deception. The ONLY
    thing that matters is the base buildup of their party, nothing else in the
    short or long matters to them . So all of a  sudden they want a fair and balanced system,
    their records don’t prove this. Plus any time Shummer is smiling it’s a dem
    deal for them. So why do we hurt for policies that they have not lived up to.

  • TurboCat

    Customs and Border Enforcement were not allowed nor were Sheriffs allowed nor were any Law Enforcement allowed to participate in any of the “Gang of Eight” meetings, yet, Richard Trumka was up on the stage grinning with the crowd of jerks who briefed the media on this bill

  • TurboCat

    Customs and Border Enforcement were not allowed nor were Sheriffs allowed nor were any Law Enforcement allowed to participate in any of the “Gang of Eight” meetings, yet, Richard Trumka was up on the stage grinning with the crowd of jerks who briefed the media on this bill

  • Anonymous

    Somehow the progressives have have made this about Hispanics, it is abourt SECURITY.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jules.p.guidry Jules P. Guidry

    “Compromise”. There’s that word again. The Senator is being hoodwinked by the left and can’t see it coming. There is no “compromise” with the progressives, of both parties,  in DC. They will lie, cheat and steal to get their way in order to stay in power. It’s what they do and how they operate. It is their way and all they know how to do.
    Senator Flake needs to study some history to see the truth of “compromise” in dealing with the progressives.

  • Anonymous

    It seems we are beating a dead horse here. Didn’t we already go through this before. Close the border first. Once that happens we can consider comprehensive immigration reform. What is so hard to understand about that. I have nothing against any Mexican, I raised a legal Mexican boy. I have legal Mexicans who occasionally do work for me. I used to have many friends who were Mexican when I lived in Douglas, Az (right on the border).

    McCain once said I get it regarding closing the border first. Guess he really didn’t get it did he? Looks like the real question is can we trust any of these people in congress? I know there are some good ones but there doesn’t seem to be very many. I guess the bad ones are overriding them or converting them.

  • MarsBarsTru7

    I’m not continuing this back and forth with you as it’s obvious at this point that it’s not worth the time. I’m not going to spend my time responding to repeated ridiculous claims and blatant obfuscation.

  • Anonymous

    Flake was groomed by McCain…If you live or have lived in AZ any time since the mid 80`s you would know McCain .The older he gets the more corrupt he gets.Typical of multi year multi decade politican`s.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000600392730 Gayle Walls Hellums

    JUST WHO DO YOU REPRESENT? Please respond.
    So which part is so great for the American worker in all this?
    (1) Registered Provisional Immigrant Status (“amnesty”) begins immediately. It is not dependent on closing the border. Only a PLAN to enforce 90% of the border is required. Sec. 3(c)(1).
    (2) The Registered Provisional Immigrant can apply for Lawful Permanent Resident Status if a lawsuit prevents the border from being “enforced”, enforcement of the border is held unconstitutional, or the federal government could not enforce the border within 10 years. Sec 3(c)(2)(B).
    (3) The governors of the border states have no say in anything, unless the federal government has not enforced the border after 5 years. Sec. 4(a), (b)(1)(D). Even then, these governors only can write a report with recommendations and submit it to the President. Sec. 4(d).
    (4) The Secretary of Homeland Security can waive the 3-misdemeanor ineligibility rule for an alien to become a Registered Provisional Immigrant. Sec. 2101(b)(3)(B)(i).
    (5) Illegal aliens caught crossing the border WITHIN THE NEXT 2.5 YEARS may submit an application for Registered Provisional Immigrant Status, and that application must be granted if otherwise eligible. Sec. 2101(c)(5).
    (6) Illegal aliens who were EVER deported can file for Provisional Registered Immigrant Status if they had either had a child born in the US or managed to live in the US for more than 3 years before being deported. Sec. 2010(c)(6)(B).
    (7) The end result will not be 11 million new voters. It will be closer to 50-100 million. It is colonization, not immigration.

  • Anonymous

    The proposed immigration bill is how long, 844 pages?  What is in it that takes up all that space?  Shouldn’t we ask that?

  • http://www.facebook.com/sharon.anderson.988 Sharon Anderson

    Just make it harder on the ones that are here, Stop giving them welfare and free medical care, I know of some that are working and the wives are claiming welfare, for their kids and the neighbors kids.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004531723269 Tr Hathcock

     Glenn finally knows what Jeff Flake is ALL about. Thousands in  Arizona ALREADY know that Jeff Flake is arrogant and “all knowing”. His constituents don’t have the sense to know what is right.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004531723269 Tr Hathcock

     Glenn finally knows what Jeff Flake is ALL about. Thousands in  Arizona
    ALREADY know that Jeff Flake is arrogant and “all knowing”. His
    constituents don’t have the sense to know what is right.

    As an Arizonan, I DIDN’T want Flake elected. He has been in Washington TOO long.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004531723269 Tr Hathcock

    Glenn, you finally see why the Tea Party does not want Flake in Washington.

    Jeff Flake thinks he’s “all knowing” and he is arrogant. He says constituents don’t have the sense to know what is right. He will not do what his constituents want – he told me he knows best.

    As an Arizonan, I DIDN’T want Flake elected. He has been in Washington TOO long.
     

  • Anonymous

    Amen Mars!

  • Anonymous

    Jeff Flake ran AGAINST ” comprehensive immigration reform” when he ran for the senate in the fall of 2012. He is a total flip flopper politician that will say anything to get elected. 

  • Anonymous

    I listened to the whole interview. YUCK! If we can’t spot a bad RINO by now, then we are doomed. Arrogant, and full of himself, … Oh, and condescending …  came immediately to mind while listening to the Political Babble he was dishing out. Sorry, Glenn, he is not a T-Party or Libertarian representative.

  • SWwife

    In reference to the farmer workers, I’m not so sure AZ has very many farmers left here, those that I knew have passed on and their children sold the land making millions.

    Why are we giving citizenship to people who hate us?
    Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s ex-girlfriend said he used to beat her if she
    wore Western clothing and tried hard to turn her against the United
    States.
    Nadine Ascencao,
    24, said that in her three years of dating Tsarnaev, he tried to change
    her into an Islamic extremist, The Daily Mail reported. She said in
    the report that she was originally obsessed with him but that she had a
    “lucky escape.”
    Ms. Ascencao
    said in an interview with The Sun: “One minute he’s this funny,
    normal guy who liked boxing and having fun, the next he is praying
    four times a day, watching Islamic videos and talking insane
    nonsense. He became extremely religious and tried to brainwash me to
    follow Islam. Tamerlan said I couldn’t be with him unless I because a
    Muslim. He wanted me to hate America like he did.”
    Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/29/tamerlan-tsarnaevs-ex-girlfriend-he-beat-me-wearin/#ixzz2Rs3wfqxR
    Follow us: @washtimes on TwitterWhy should we trust Janet Napalitino Napolitano’s
    release of illegal immigrants into our State and others.

    I also don’t trust our government after Fast and Furious, but most of all I don’t trust them to fix our boarder.

  • Anonymous

    Beck, and his 2 sidekicks Pat and Stu went on and on about how Orwell’s “1984″ was written by Huxley during this program. And Beck believes he’s credible?

    Aldous Huxley!??!

     It’s unreal. Does not anyone notice this? 

    BlazeTV: The Ignorance Lives Here.