David Barton reacts to the DOMA decision: 3 major areas are now in play

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This morning on radio, David Barton called in to provide his insight into the Supreme Court’s rulings on Proposition 8 and the Defense of Marriage Act. Glenn’s feelings were split. On one hand, he was glad to see the government get out of the marriage business, but he also feared what the Prop 8 dismissal meant for our civil liberties. David Barton, meanwhile, looked into the implications the decisions will have for churches and other religious institutions.

“What’s happened is that the decision, the DOMA decision, has brought in probably at least three major areas into play that weren’t into play before,” David explained. Those three areas are:

  1. The military
  2. The State Department
  3. Conscience cases

The Military

“One is going to be the military because the military is under federal jurisdiction, federal law. It’s not a state,” David said. “And so in that sense what we’ve been fighting the last two years is trying to protect the rights of chaplains not to have to perform gay marriage against their will, and two consecutive years the president has threatened to veto the defense spending if we didn’t get that out of there that now becomes a real problem because we were able to do that before. Under DOMA we said, ‘Wait a minute. Under federal law you as the chaplain don’t have to do this. DOMA defends you.’ We don’t have DOMA anymore.”

“So now you watch the pressure on the chaplains and you watch what will happen now without DOMA,” he continued. “And we’ve already had this. We’ve already are two and three star generals tell these guys, look, if you don’t like it, get out of the military. If you can’t go along with this, get out. So now that will escalate. The rights of conscience are a real problem.”

The State Department

“The secondary where it will have a big impact is through the State Department. Now, the State Department has had DOMA in place, but hey’ve been ignoring it,” David explained. “I got word today from down in Central America the State Department saying, ‘Hey, sorry, we’re going to withhold all State Department funds to your country until you get gay marriage in your Constitution.’…And see, that’s another aspect, too, is in Kenya. Kenya has in its constitution we don’t do abortion in Kenya, and the State Department said until you get that out, you don’t get more funds.”

“Now people, you know, people don’t keep up with the State Department anyway, but this will escalate State Department efforts to promulgate those two particular lifestyles instead of, you know, have at least a little restraint,” he continued. “And, you know, the next president would come in and it goes from president to president, who promotes and who doesn’t. So that goes away.”

Conscience Cases

“And the third thing that will happen with the DOMA decision is it now complicates the conscience cases we have all over the nation in states that do have gay marriage,” David said. “For example, New Jersey where a church said, ‘Hey, we don’t do gay marriage’ and [the government] said, ‘Great, you lose your tax exemption.’ That’s it.”

Tax exemption could prove to be a huge bargaining chip for the government, if churches don’t begin to walk away from the loophole.

“What are we going to do to get churches to walk away from their income tax exemption,” Glenn asked.

“I mean, they need to at the state level. What they believe is that they can’t survive without it. Now, I’m a big believer in the way Paul did it. Paul was bivocational. He had his own income so that he wasn’t dependent on a church,” David explained. “Right now what happens is so many ministers depend on their church, and I’m sorry, I often call it church welfare. These are guys that get their check from the church and they don’t want to mess with their check, don’t want to jeopardize that. It’s time for more pastors to become bivocational so that nobody can tell them what to do with their money. They own their own money. If the church money dries up, great, they are still ministers and they can still preach because they’ve got an income. So I’m really into that mold. And until we get out of the church welfare mold, the church takes care of me and I can’t afford to lose my check from the church. It’s going to be really tough to get the guys in a different direction.”

Glenn has talked for a long time about reaching the end-of-the-road, the tipping point in which there is no return. In terms of religious freedom and protection under the First Amendment, it looks as though we have reached the point of no return.

“This, this is it,”David said. “Even the Prop 8 decision or non-decision as it is was – we don’t allow the will of the people to stand, we’re remanding it back. Well, guess what. They’ve already struck down the will of the people. So the Supreme Court in essence is saying, ‘Hey, we don’t recognize the republican form of government.’ And that’s a real problem. This is a time if we’re going to keep our fundamental system as a republican form of government with traditional moral values and the basis of our Constitution, that plan has to go into effect. No question it has to go into effect.”

  • Anonymous

    America died today … officially, 6-26-13, the United States of America died … and God almighty will not continue to bless this country because of it’s massive sins … read and check history!!

  • Anonymous

    I agree VeteranJack48.  I no longer recognize the United States of America.  Obama is slowly pushing this country to communism.  He is an evildoer.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, two people that love each other can now marry and have the same rights as heterosexual couples.  Yes, what a tragedy….(sarcasm)

  • Anonymous

    The SYTEMATICAL and FUNDAMENTAL “Changes” of the USA by forgive me but what Else could We Really call him?? I still say a 666 is somewhere…while WE Fall apart he is vacationing YET AGAIN ON OUR DOLLARS..while he continues to push his Agendas for Abortions, Free Morning after pills to Kids, Free health care, free housing, phones, and SO MUCH More, for his Green Energy for his Climate Control?? Come on hasn’t that already been also proven a Bunch of LIES..it has if people WOULD DO their Research..all of this is for Nothing But CONTROL and One WORLD GLOBAL ORDER.. ONE GOVERNMENT and ONE CURRENCY…aka GLOBAL CONTROL..all for VOTES and POWER and YES MONEY…Obummer will NEVER NEED Money OR a CAREER after ALL THIS…wake up People…he’s already Received all he’ll Ever need…and will continue to Receive…More than he or His Fam can Ever Spend..in 100000000 lifetimes..for people with No morals, NO Conscience..doesn’t matter because it’s ALL about Control, they think..equals Control and Power..but in the End…we must ALL answer TO SOMEONE..he has more to Answer for than anyone I know..IN OR OUT of the BIBLE…..while again, Breaking this COUNTRY Down TO AN Immoral and BROKE IN EVERY WAY Country….but…when lawlessness and riots come here, AND THEY WILL.. when all the Freebies END…what will be Left?? I’ll tell you, Nothing…absolutely Nothing, NO ALLIES, NO Military NO Economic Strength or Financial, NO Nothing….the CHANGES that I have seen are beyond ANYTHING I have EVER seen or Could Imagine..and IF People do Not start to WAKE UP the Final Downing of this Country will occur…you cannot continue to Destroy it ONE HUGE CHUNK at a time and expect it to last..it will Not…there isn’t Much Left as it IS..I feel for my children and grandchildren and everyone elses because only GOD CAN Help us now…I pity the younger ones who are Left with what IS Left…NOTHING..

  • mudslide

    What did you think ‘fundamental change’ meant? 

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know about Obama’s lifestyle, but he, like Caligula, works to make jokes of the military and our legislature with silly commands.  Outside those areas, I think he wants a civil war or insurrection to implement martial law.  I don’t know if I buy Putin’s seemingly-conservative leanings, but he’s right.  America is becoming a Sodom and Gomorrah.  Some days I wonder if the Muslims shouldn’t come and implement shariah law and put the fear of God into us (not that they know God better, but it would be a chastosement) lukewarm and perverted (mostly from our comforts) souls.  Apparently, Obama hasn’t woken us up.  I wouldn’t be involved in opening that gate and would find it worse than a Boanerges-minded melancholic could stand.  I think God should step in.  We’ve failed.

  • Loraine Isenberger

    So, now we are definitely take God out of the decision making of the country. If you don’t, with conscience, believe in gay marriage, you are basically told to go somewhere else? Is that what we are telling the Muslims about sharia law?

  • MontanaMEL

    The only thing left is for each and every one of us…ourselves…to make the CHOICE to NOT allow this ruling to injure our lives in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER!..
    We do NOT have to accept this evil life style of gays, of any form whatsoever!
    WE can still speak out…or act out our “own style” of retribution towards those that push themselves into our personal space and homes… We don’t need buttons or tee shirts… We only need the Whole Armor of God…and, the faith to take those actions required of us by his teachings!
    Least we forget — our courts are just as wicked/evil as these gays!.. They too need our disdain and our retribution every chance we get…mark where they live…where they play or dine out..raise your own form of stink within their private space – as they have invaded yours’ with their false/evil rulings!
    And…STAND READY…we still have years to endure under this fraud of an Admin…
    Pray for your brothers in arms…now forced to share space with evil…

  • Kanak Attack

    Ummm…  Mr. Barton talks about ministers and pastors having to get a job outside the “income” of their church as something that is difficult to do.  The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has operated that way since its organization in 1830.  It’s not a difficult thing to do whatsoever and in my opinion any church claiming to follow Christ shouldn’t have paid clergy at all anyway.

  • Anonymous

    Why not three or four? And why not 7 year olds? We no longer have a moral authority. And telling countries we won’t give them aid unless they allow child murder and homosexual marriage? I don’t think we should be giving all this aid anyway but, my God, what arrogance. No wonder half the countries in the world openly hate us and the rest just go along to get the money.

  • Anonymous

    David Barton is so correct, it breaks my heart.  Churches who believe God’s word won’t be the same after these rulings.  Maybe we could do something about marriages. 

            What if God’s
    people took God’s idea of marriage back?  
    We could give the word ‘marriage’ to the same-sex people and those who
    do not make a lasting covenant before God. 
    Couldn’t God’s people step back from the ‘legal’ term marriage and have
    a different name for a real God Focused commitment ceremony between a man and a
    woman?   
    Of course this does not save the pastor or priest who refuses to perform a same-sex marriage.  Wonder if they will be sued for everything they own or if they will be put in jail? As Mr. Barton states, they will at least lose their tax-exempt status.
    Will we be forced to create home churches? underground worship?  Churches abandoned for lack of funds can be used as ‘ceremony places’ for non-christians’ and homosexuals. They are only buildings if God’s presence is not there.   Never thought I would see this day.

     

  • Kanak Attack

    This is not about people having gay relationships.  This is about the practice being specifically protected by the federal government under some sort of “civil right”.  Protecting homosexuality as a legal measure is what is wrong and un-Constitutional.  Now we see the perverted aftermath of what many warned of during the civil rights movement.  The civil rights movement was a moment in history where liberals and communists hijacked morality and brought it into the realm of law-making.  What blacks thought they gained during that era was actually theirs in the first place when this country was created but we were still fighting a Cold Civil War to end the southern states’ breach of the Constitution. 

    Slavery was suppose to end at the adoption of the Constitution by each state.  A compromise had to be made however so the southern states didn’t sink their economy.  However they never kept their end of the deal and it took a Civil War to finally force those states to fulfill their agreement and finally implement the Constitution throughout the whole country once and for all.  It was the democrats who fought for slavery then, it was the democrats who fought for Jim Crow laws after the war, and it is still the democrats trying to pervert the Constitution now to gain tyrannical power just as they always have sought to do.

    They have made us believe that marriage has to do with our law system when it does not.  They’re using it as a control measure and now we see why the government wanted marriage in their hands.  They can do a lot of controlling with it!

    Wake up people.  We don’t even realize this isn’t a valid fight.

  • Anonymous

    The Tenth Amendment of the Bill of Rights states:”The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”  Since no powers were delegated to the United States regarding marriage by the Constitution nor prohibited by it (the Constitution) to the States, marriage is reserved to the States or to the people, therefore, the Supreme Court has no jurisdiction over DOMA or Proposition 8.

  • Pamela Peltonen

    I think I’ll marry a big plate of bacon with a side of apple pie alamode. Now that’s a marriage made in heaven. Too bad my groom won’t last the night.

  • Anonymous

    Dyrewulf, I can’t believe i’m actually responding to such idiotic statements but I will out of self-respect.  First of all, a 7 year old cannot legally sign a contract (did you know that); therefore a 7 year old cannot get married.  Additionally, that’s called pedophilla which is illegal and disgusting so that will never happen.  Secondly, I assume you do not know any gay people because gay people do not want to marry two or three people.  They want the same rights, tax breaks, immigration status etc. that heterosexual couples have.  The only people in this country and do practice polygamy are heterosexuals and they live in Utah. They don’t want “special” rights–they want the same exact rights you have.  Thirdly, the argument about the state department not giving aid to countries that don’t have the same policies is ridiculous and ludicrous.  Such a ridiculous assertion. 

    The only rationale argument that you could make is to say that being gay is a “choice.”  But if you said that everyone would call you an idiot because it’s not a choice–it’s a part of a person’s DNA.  Even Exodus International Christian Ministries who for years believed that you could turn people from gay to straight just closed their doors and said, “We were wrong, reparative therapy does not work!” 

    What is it about gay people that you don’t like?  They pay taxes, pillars of the communities, law-abiding citizens and raise good families and only want the same rights as everyone else.  Get over the homophobia–according to poll–you are now in the minority that don’t support gay marriage.

  • Anonymous

    You should really work on your spelling…it makes you look very stupid.

  • Anonymous

    Communist countries did not have gay marriage–I don’t get your argument….

  • Anonymous

    Yes, ask God to step in.  And what would he say exactly or do?

  • Anonymous

    So is the Catholic Church.  How many boys have been molested in the churches and vatican?  We should start there if we are seriously going to talk about reform

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry, have you ever heard of the concept of “Seperation of Chuch and State” and “Freedom of Religion.”  Our founders did a hell of a job writing the Constitution and they were very explicit to ensure that we are not a theocracy but a Democracy.  If you want a Theocracy I would ask you to move to Iran.

  • Anonymous

    Umm, you should read the 15th amendment also which is the Equal Protection Clause too since you a Constitution Scholar…

  • Anonymous

    Did it die today?  I am still here and an American Citizen–I didn’t receive anything in the mail that said that America died.  What’s ironic is that there are gays in the military and they have lost their lives fighting for this country but up until recently they had to lie about who they were, who they loved and their families but yet they gave their lives to the country they loved.  That sounds much worse than having two people who love each other have the same rights as heterosexual couples.

  • Anonymous

    3weeks ago I personally experienced the purging of God from the United States Air Force when my son got married at Whiteman Air Force base.  We were on the base in the base chapel and there was no use of the words God or Jesus Christ!!!  Instead the pastor called on our Father and His Son to bless the union!!!  I couldn’t beleive it.  Reading scripture was also limited!!  There were no Bibles available!!!  Now we have this granting of Sodomite marriage!!   God is going to punish us as he did Sodom and Gomorrah!  I fear for my church and my ability to practice freely and will see these terroerisrts attack my Catholic faith and my Church because Obama hates the Catholic Church and all Christian faiths!!  God bless us all as we need it.  Where are we going to find enough rightous people to prevent God from unleashing his anger against our Country!! 

  • Anonymous

    Burn us to the ground! Or something even worse. We deserve it!

  • Loraine Isenberger

    the separation of church and state is not written in the Constitution! It is written in a letter by Thomas Jefferson-in reply to an attempt to make a specific church the church of a specific state shortly after the Constitution was written. And just for your perusal-if you haven’t read you might want to read the letters of John Adams, Abagail Adams and Thomas Jefferson. BTW-I don’t want a theocracy, but I would like to get to pray in public again without the government telling me I can’t do it.

  • Anonymous

    I’ll give you that christrott.  However, I stand by the rest of what I said

  • Sapere Vedere

    A lot of interesting points brought up. 

  • HeretoSpeak

    Interesting point – that the government could start putting pressures on other countries to adopt this heinous garbage.  If it is conceptualized as a right – horrible and stupid as that is – there could be people in the State Department who would think that they should promote this abomination abroad.  After all, if something is a “right,” we are supposed to stand by it, right?
        
    We HAVE TO get moral and ethical people in office in 2014 and 2016.  

  • HeretoSpeak

    The official grammar police?

  • HeretoSpeak

    Stop being such a concrete thinker.

  • HeretoSpeak

    Russia, a former Communist country, did the right thing about the issue.  And not a single person voted against it.

  • HeretoSpeak

    Yes, western civilization is weakening and becoming effeminate.  The Muslims are slowly changing Europe.  If the decline continues and they gain more and more strength, the unimaginable may happen.  Maybe we will deserve it; we have refused to preserve our nation, our morals and our traditions.

  • HeretoSpeak

    Yes, it is a tragedy.  And a travesty of law.

  • HeretoSpeak

    Let’s hope that the Church does not capitulate to the experiments of the radicals.  It looks solid.

  • HeretoSpeak

    Nobody wants a theocracy.  That is a myth perpetuated by mindless haters writing tropes.  (Hint, hint.)

  • Anonymous

     

    Ok, I’ll start with the obvious. There is no such thing as
    homophobia. It is a term invented by the far-left gay rights activists to make
    anyone that thinks homosexuality is wrong into someone with a mental problem.
    It has worked very well to demonize normal people with the help of the liberal
    press but there is no phobia of this type. (If there was, there would have to
    be a corresponding heterophobia and I don’t see the activist head shrinkers
    rushing to classify that one.)

    Now, what you say about pedophilia is exactly what was said
    about homosexuality fifty years ago. Both happen to be disgusting and deviant. And
    I do know homosexuals but I do not socialize with them. I don’t because I don’t
    condone their actions. Now you said above that homosexuals don’t want to marry
    two or three people but I didn’t say anything about homosexuals wanting to do
    that. But if you are against three people getting married, you must have polygophobia
    because, well, who are you to discriminate against them? As with your statement
    about the state department, well, that’s just ridiculous and ludicrous. Since
    you put forth no facts whatsoever to counter Mr. Barton’s assertion, I’ll leave
    it at that.

    So you say that homosexuals are homosexual because of DNA.
    If that’s the case, why wasn’t a homosexual gene found when the Human Genome
    was mapped? Also, since the only animals on this planet that are homosexual are
    humans, that lends credence to my argument. Sure, there are activist scientists
    that espouse the opinion that there is homosexuality in the animal world, but why
    isn’t there any proof of it, as in videos? With all of the pets and zoos in the
    world, you’d think someone somewhere would have a video of it. What, are
    animals ashamed of being homosexual so they hide from humans while performing
    their unnatural acts?

    As for homosexuals not being able to “turn” from being
    homosexual, can straight people “turn” homosexual? If so, it’s got to work the
    other way, too.

    Finally, what is it that I don’t like about homosexuals? I
    don’t like that they try to force me to accept their abnormal, unnatural,
    deviation. I don’t like that they want my children taught in a government
    school that they are normal and anyone who disagrees has a mental problem. Your
    statement about being “pillars of communities” is hilarious! Please, tell me
    more! You also assert that homosexuals only want the same rights as
    heterosexuals. If you can show me where, in any of our founding documents or
    any since then, where the right to marry is bestowed upon anyone, be they
    heterosexual or not, I may be swayed to agree with you. But we already know
    that’s not going to happen since there is no “right to marry”. As for me being
    in the minority that don’t support homosexual rights, what planet are you from?
    Even the people of the ultra-liberal state of Kalifornia voted against
    homosexual marriage so I don’t think I’m in the minority.

  • Anonymous

    If you want insight into the minds of serious right wingnuts, continue reading these posts. You’ll see the incredible disconnect. I am sure hard core racists whites felt the same way when Jim Crow laws were determined to unconstitutional and white people had to share fountains with black people. The US was doomed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/william.vining.3 William Vining

    Millions were freed today.

  • http://www.facebook.com/william.vining.3 William Vining

    How exactly is “communism” being implemented? This is why no one votes for you clowns, all you do is talk non sense.

  • Anonymous

    Get yourself a copy of the documentary “Agenda Grinding America Down”. Watch it a couple of times so it can sink into your shallow liberal mind.

  • Anonymous

     I am Gay and I am gonna Stay – soon gay marriage will be legal in all 50 states!  Get ready doll – liberals always come out on top – read your history. Without liberals there would be no 8 hour days, maternity leave, and freedom of religion. Conservatives are reactionary and breeders of Fascism – remember Hitler? He was a great conservative.

  • Jason Lovelace

    I don’t really care who gets federal benefits (though I think there are too many federal benefits for everyone already).  But I don’t want the government to tell my church what marriage is or call me a bigot if I disagree with the court’s majority opinion.

  • Anonymous

    Have you ever been in the military?  If so, does it bother you that a gay man might have been watching you in the shower or elsewhere?  I don’t care who they are it would still be a problem for me.  Well, or you could be gay who knows.  It is not right, God did not create us for that but to recreate this world and live according to his laws.  That is certainly not one of them.  Read your bible.

  • Anonymous

    The only thing Obama has not lied about is fundamentally changing America.  He has done that and trying to finish us off.  That was his major objective in all of this.  His dad hated America and what we stood for, and now Obama is completing his plan to bring America down on her knees.  He is, and has done that.  It would take a miracle from God and that will happen in the end of days.  Obama will have to stand before God and try to explain why he gave authority for abortions, gays and lesbian behavior, lies, cheating, etc.   He wants to be in total power of the world and will not stop at anything to get it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kestrel.blackfeather Kestrel Blackfeather

    Oi. You make me cry.

    There is homophobia, but that really isn’t the correct term. Homophobia implies that you are scared of someone due to their homosexual nature. The fact is, you don’t seem to be scared of gay people. That’s great. Too bad you seem to hate them.

    By your own words, you will not associate with a homosexual simply because they are homosexual and you do not approve.

    Do you apply the same standards to thieves, drunkards, liars, and people of other faiths as well? I hope you do for the sake of consistency.

    As far as the human genome project, that project did not figure out what ever gene is used for. It simply mapped out our DNA structure. It didn’t find the gene for blonde hair and blue eyes either – it’s simply a structure mapping.

    You are also factually incorrect that only humans display homosexual behavior. Many animals do; not just humans, but primates, sheep, horses, birds, etc. I myself own a mule that chases away female equines and attempts to mount males.

    You might want to look into the book “Biological Exuberance” for a long, long litany of homosexual behavior in the animal world.

    It is also true that sexual orientation is not a matter of choice. Genetics has a very, very large role to play, and to a degree environment during formative years plays a small role as well. You simply cannot “choose” to be gay or straight or anything else.

    What you CAN choose is to act on your desires. If you want to attack someone over the act, fine, that’s your agenda. That’s what you believe. But you cannot attack someone over what they feel.

    Nobody can control their feelings – they can only control what they do with them. You can talk to any psychologist about that one.

    Only the smallest minority, the fringe, wants to force your church to allow homosexual marriage in its sacred halls. The vast majority – at least every single homo- and bi-sexual person I know, which is well over two dozen – just want the same legal representation for purposes of taxation and medical issues.

    Imagine someone you love being severely injured and hospitalized, someone you have spent years of your life with, love deeply, and would do anything for when necessary. Now imagine being denied to see that person in their last moments of life – simply because it’s a “family only situation and you aren’t family by blood or marriage.”

    That happens all too often.

    You may not appreciate the acts of homosexuality, but I must remind you to hate the sin and not the sinner. I must also remind you that at one time, it was legal to murder Mormons on sight.

    When we allow the government to discriminate against its citizens then, some day, someone will rise to power and use the government to discriminate against you.

    You can discriminate in your own life and in your own church. Go for it. That’s your private life. When it comes to the public, either everyone should have the benefits or nobody should have the benefits. It’s too easy to twist the government to hurt people otherwise.

    Need I remind you of the many times our very own government has acted to silence unfavorable political speech, for example? I’m not just talking about the recent IRS issues.

    Personally, as a libertarian type, I feel that any legal adult should be able to do pretty much whatever he or she wants, given that it doesn’t infringe on anyone else’s freedoms.

    The government recognizing homosexual marriage does not remove your rights to marry. And if you want to go there, yes, let people enter into polygamous marriage if they so choose. It’s their life, their soul, their actions that they have to bring before God.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kestrel.blackfeather Kestrel Blackfeather

    I’d much rather have small government types in office that will remove any and all government oversight of marriage. Let your church do your thing, let someone else’s church do their thing. Marriage is between the people involved and God – not between the people and the government.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kestrel.blackfeather Kestrel Blackfeather

    Sadly hypocritical. The religious right demands to be left alone by the government so that they can live their lives however they see fit, and yet right here you will see them trying to deny that same experience to someone else.

    It’s all or nothing, folks. I can tolerate a difference of opinion – I welcome it – but I abhor hypocrites.

  • Anonymous

    Statistics, probability and logic says that you did shower with a gay person when you were in the military.  And nothing happened.  Yes, I know that you probably think that women should not serve in the miltary…but times change.  Fast forward from 1950 to 2013….welcome to modern times.

  • Pteromandias

     All those things you attribute to liberals were in fact a result of increasing wealth. Wealth increased because of capital investment.

    The 8-hour workday didn’t suddenly get discovered by liberals in the 1920s. It was only possible when the same productive output was possible through the use of machines in 8 hours that previous took more hours. Again, a natural development not in any way attributed to liberal ideas, unless you are referring to the economic liberalization under *classical* liberalism.

  • John Edward Kapler

    Hey Christrott, why do I feel you still live in your mothers basement! I would bet you are a real nerd and would be a real bore to be around. Do you have any friends or are they too embarrassed to stop over at your mothers house?

  • John Edward Kapler

    Do we still have slaves? William stop being so dramatic, you are able to vote right? And can you speak openly in public? Now if you lived in the Middle East you just might be able to state your freedome aree definitly ignored! In fact you probably would be stoned or at the very least beheaded because Islam does not tolerate Gays! Just wanted to give you a “heads” up about what could happen to you where slavery does exist!

  • Anonymous

    Oh John, you can easily find me on facebook and can confirm.  But no, after being the Class A high school quaterback in high school and 1st team All State Baseball team and played in the Michigan Dream Team I went to college and majored in history and Political Science and played college baseball.  Moved to Indy and worked for a Non-Profit and now moved back to Royal Oak and bought a house when I was 25.  And have lived here for 5 years and have always been employed.  So, do you live with your mom because you seem a little attached..

  • Anonymous

    You are simply an idiot.  You probably hate blacks too.

  • Anonymous

    What you describe is amazing!  I pay taxes and think Christianity is a farse and the polling numbers argree tha the numbers are increasing.  I pay the same taxes as you do and I think spreading any one religion in this country ridiculous.  Want to hear god?  Get married in a catholic church and not a base that I pay taxes for.  It’s a Win-Win

  • Anonymous

    You’re the crazy lady! I love it!

  • Anonymous

    Honey, you can pray wherever you want.  I just don’t want an institution requiring it when my tax dollars pay for it.  Pretty simple concept.

  • Anonymous

    Definitley not a trope.  Just speaking my mind.

  • Anonymous

    Great job in your systemic arguments.  How old are you?

  • Anonymous

    Yes, you think homosexuals are less than you and don’t deserve the same rights as you…you are definitely not a bigot….

  • Anonymous

    Please find supporting evidence in support of your statement.  Just because one person says this does it mean it’s true.  Do your own research…it’s ridiculous.  We give billions of dollars to Pakistan a year….how do they feel about gay marriage.  Seriously…

  • Anonymous

    Today I am Proud to be a American Thank You #SCOTUS 

  • Anonymous

    I have a few minutes tomorrow to fully and discernibly show why you are stupid.  Please make sure to respond :)

  • John Edward Kapler

    Hahahaha, nope both my parents died young, but your partially right. Actually I was attached to them both and I would give anything to have my parents back with me again!  

    Gosh, thats quite a resume you have however I think you missed something with your history background and its called the Constitution!  

    FYI,I can be found on facebook too but I am rather modest about my past, although, I kinda think my humble life could compete pretty well against yours!! Just my opinion!!

  • Take 2

    Birther here! 

    The red flag of 97% of all background information is or remains troublesome. If, WE have to go through all this mans abandonment and childhood issues of destroying America… because it is or was his black African African Islamist Fathers dream!  Can WE not at least know who this person truly is or is not.        

       

  • Jeff Noncent

    now welcome to Sodom and Gomorah now wait and see what’s going to happen in the next generation

  • Anonymous

    @dcfla  -  your post is too difficult to read with all the captilize words and caps at the beginning of random words.  I understand caps for emphasis but , “IF People do Not start to WAKE UP the Final Downing of this Country will occur…”  What’s your reason for  capitalizing the words People, Not, Final Downing, Country ?   Because you Want To ?  :-)

  • http://www.facebook.com/kyle.ely.56 Kyle Ely

     Your not catholic any catholic knows we say “the father and the son” not god and jesus

  • Anonymous

    I am not a Constitution Scholar (sic), but I fail to see what the 15th Amendment, which is “The right of citizens to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude” and “The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.” has anything to do with the question at hand.

  • Anonymous

    “Separation of Church and State…” is not in the Constitution.

  • Anonymous

     Hmmm…you have consistently called me stupid, idiot and hater. Textbook left-wing tactics. Don’t worry about replying to me. You’ll convince me of nothing and I’m bored with you. Have a nice day.

  • Anonymous

    Amen to taht !

  • Anonymous

     Meh…standard lefty fare. Nothing new here. Destroy and denigrate when your argument is indefensible…

  • HeretoSpeak

    I did not know that “speaking one’s mind” meant iterating myths. Learn something every day. (trope)

  • HeretoSpeak

    You distort what I wrote. This is a prediction based on what could happen because of the horrendous decision of the Supreme Court. If this abomination sweeps over our nation as a new “right,” we might feel compelled to urge other nations to adhere to this “right” by holding economic support. I can understand this with the education or stoning to death of women, but the whacked-out radicals here might insist we pass on the new rights abroad, infect other nations.

  • Anonymous

    Democratic voters continue to stick there head in the sand while Obama destroys life in this country, but what the hell he gave us a cell phones to play games on.

  • Anonymous

    “Woe to those who call  evil good, and good evil;

    who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;”

                    (Isaiah 5:20)

     

    Have a hard time believing in God?  Just watch the news. The next news will be about changes to the IRS form 1040. If it is not changed quickly married gay couple anger could cause early divorce over which partner is to be named the “spouse” when filing jointly. 

  • LeShagBag

    Oh tHe hUMaNiTY! THis iS BEcaUsE Of THat FACist, coMMuNiST, SOCiaLIst, LIberal, KKKenyan, MusLIM, ChRIStian, “PreSIDENT, Obama. NOW The GOVernment has AttainED TOTAL CONTROL OF THIS COUNTRY; not BeCAuse of THE Patriot ACT, the CuRRent NSa scandal but because of this… GAY FuckING Marriage!!!!!

    THOSE COMMUNIST FUCKERS!

  • Anonymous

    Smell that that’s death people we have now become terminal fight as you will but losers win WHAT

  • Anonymous

    I want the right to marry a child, too.

  • Anonymous

    I want the right to marry a child, too.  After all, love makes a family, right??

  • Anonymous

    You’re the bigot.  You want to deny rights to so-called ‘pedophiles.’   Homosexuals got the definition of their lifestyle changed from a ‘sickness’ to an ‘orientation’ back in the 1980s.  This opened the floodgate for them to attain preferential rights.  Now it’s the turn of those who prefer adult-child relationships.  I’m not one, but I don’t feel they should be discriminated against for their desires.

  • Anonymous

    There is no such thing as ‘molestation’ you bigoted pedophobe.

  • Anonymous

    Barton is thinking societal narrow-cast, looking at the Supremes voiding of the will of the Citizenry through the Prism of the States through the Church and its tax-exemption, and the Military through the Preacher, and their former freedom of Religion. 
    He even is rightly concerned about the abuse of other citizens of other countries by our State Department of Gays and Illegals.

    It misses the real dangers contained in these decisions. This is like Marco Polo Rubio and Paulie Boy Ryan thinking they are Conservatives with a Real Conservative solution to the Emergency Illegal Immigration problems, formerly called Amnesty! His comments are valid, yet avoids the truth. 

    So What Will Really Happen after Yesterday?

    First, gays married in other states who move to Just say No States,
    will hit the Media and file their lawsuits, casting insults they lift from the Lib Five Supremes
    (hateful, deliberately abusive–you can just read some of the postings to get the drift).
    Then, federal workers who work in Just Say No States will hit the Media and file their lawsuits.  And sadly,
    there will be lawsuits filed by soldier/soldier Same Sexers, who will pose to become poster gays.

    Next, there’s Federal Sticky Fingers Law, the bureaucratic rule equivalent
    of Unfunded Mandates, where ‘Baracque the First’ will require all agencies to force private companies doing business with the Federal Beast to conform
    with its Gay Rights Elevation to above Straights–with the threat of casting out
    if they fail to bend over.
    And, private companies that do business in a Go Gay State, even if headquartered in a Just Say No State will be the target of funded and righteous and fractious employee Law Suits seeking redress because? We now have more rights than Straights–we have been granted special status unlike all those poor slob straights, so you have to also. 
    In Federal Courts and Districts around the country, many of these lawsuits will give far left activist judges the opportunity to void State’s Rights.Maybe then, The Obamist’s will even get around to those who ask for and
    receive Tax Exempt Status, such as … Churches, even Tea Party for God
    types! And the Thug tactics, backed by the Robed Wonders, will come into play.
    Thus the attacks will start, and will not stop until marriage as a tradition,
    ritual and concept is trashed.  And like in Sweden, Marriage will lose value among the young, Gays will marry and divorce faster by far than their national average, kids will find their home life will now correspond with their Sexual Healing courses in Pre-K and Elementary School, as more of them grow up under the Community.

    What to do?  Get the 38 states who do not allow gay marriage, to understand this is the beginning of the end to their need to exist. The firewall between the Feds and the States will crumble to just above knee height, good only for your elbows while groveling. 
    The need is now for most of these states to arrive at a New Free America association, and to fight all attacks on state’s rights together, from Federal Monies they need to reclaim, educational Rotten Core intrusions, common insurance plans, health, immigration, all the attacks which will come down with Gay Marriage.  The States could even form domestic financial  alliances which favor the association, and learn the need to fund political action and community organization 24/7 year in and year out, in order to persuade the ill-informed and keep their base alert.  
    We the People, and our States no longer have the luxury of sitting back and letting the game come in the front door. We must be Pro Active.

  • landofaahs

    God raises the nations and brings them low in order to show his power and glory. USA, USA, USA.  And pride goeth before a fall. 

  • landofaahs

    LOL. Your correctly spelled words are what make you look stupid.

  • landofaahs

    Those kind of people are mostly control freaks.  If you deliberately misspell words it drives them so crazy that they run around for hours in a round room searching for a corner in which to pee.

  • landofaahs

    And probably a house under water.

  • landofaahs

    A democrat non-profit probably funded by George Sore Hose.

  • HeretoSpeak

    Yes, they are at a loss for concepts or explanations for their dogma, so they look for any way to – in their feeble minds – put down anyone who disagrees with their dogma. Spelling corrections is a sign of the impotence of the accuser, of course.

  • landofaahs

    America is dead.  It’s corpse is all that exists. But when the Ponzi scheme collapses, you will know what working for a non-prophet looks like.

  • Anonymous

    Yup, it’s great news for so many. People will be able to get green cards for their spouses, they’ll save money on taxes, they’ll be able to bring in same sex spouses from other countries, and much much more. Yes, military chaplains are serving so they have to follow the law and follow orders. Yes, the state department will honor all marriages and will have to let spouses in. However, you’re wrong on the last one. No church has to marry anyone who doesn’t want to. This is about civil marriage, not religious marriage.But don’t worry, there are plenty of non-hateful churches that would love to marry anyone in love, regardless of gender. 
    Great news for the country and for freedom!!!!! (you guys support freedom,don’t you??)

  • Anonymous

    LOL. Yes, who cares about violations of the constitution, the real problem is that two people you don’t know can now file their taxes together. 
    The fact that you guys obsess about such nonsense, and ignore the real problems this country is facing is the real reason the US is gong down. Your fault.

  • Anonymous

    also take your meds, you’re rambling incoherently.

  • Anonymous

    Spelling and grammar are not the same thing.

  • Anonymous

    Control freaks, you mean people who want to prevent other people they don’t know from getting married or deciding what kind of medical procedure to have? Those kind of control freaks?

  • Anonymous

    If it bothers you that someone is watching you, that’s your problem. If you’re not gay, you don’t care. If you are gay but don’t want to be, that’s when it’s an issue.
    I think you just came out.

  • Anonymous

    “Read your bible.”

    Read the Constitution, and keep your bible to yourself.

  • Anonymous

    So you can’t answer the question? Your answer is to watch propaganda? You don’t even understand your own hateful position enough to explain it? That’s rich.

  • Anonymous

    BS, the 8 hour workday, weekend, vacations, workplace safety laws, etc, were all brought to you by unions. The factory owners would like everyone to work as much as possible as cheaply as possible. Unions protect the workers. Think about that when you enjoy your next weekend.

  • Anonymous

    What you said was to watch a movie.

  • Anonymous

    They have no jurisdiction over 8, yes, that was the decision. Of course they have jurisdiction of DOMA, that’s their job. You admit yourself that Congress can’t pass any laws about marriage. They did, and the Supremes set them straight, which was right and proper.

  • Anonymous

    14th.

  • Anonymous

    silly commands? like the command to kill bin laden? which bush never managed to do?
    You keep hoping that god steps in. That happens all the time. But the fact that you dream fondly of Sharia law tells it all. American evangelical conservatives are the Taliban.

  • Anonymous

    Just off yourself and leave the rest of us the fuck out of it.

  • Anonymous

    Does the first amendment of the Constitution mean anything to you? No establishment of religion.

    Soddom and Gomorrah were destroyed not because of sex, but because they were inhospitable and impolite to strangers. Maybe you should read the scripture you’re whining about.

    And you know most people here don’t consider Catholics to be Christian, You guys are heathens to them.

  • Anonymous

    Polygamy is a behavior. It has nothing to do with what gender you prefer. 7 year olds can’t consent, it’s kind of amazing you can’t figure that one out. And this has nothing to do with foreign aid. We give Saudi Arabia and the Palestinians tons of money, and they do honor killings and other things we hate, it doesn’t stop up from giving them money. 

  • Anonymous

    1. No one gives a fuck what you find disgusting. You are free to think about anal sex all day long and be disgusted. No one cares. 
    2. Pedophilia and child marriage are illegal not because dyrewulf finds it disgusting, but because children can’t consent.
    3. Genetics does not work by one magical gene controlling things. It’s much more complicated than that, and most all human behavior is a combination of nature and nurture, and anyway who cares.
    4. If you would like to watch videos of animals having gay sex, just search. There are zillions of examples.
    5. No one is forcing you to be gay, or even accept anyone else. You can hate whoever you want. You just can’t take away their rights, that’s all. Home school your little monsters into stupid hateful trolls, that is your right. Have fun with that.
    6. And finally, use whatever term you want if you don’t like “homophobia”, but there is certainly hateful discrimination against homosexuals because of who they are, which sometimes leads even to murder.

  • Anonymous

    You’re an idiot. Children can’t consent or sign contracts. You’re sick.

  • Anonymous

    You’re a sick fuck.

  • Anonymous

    If you can get bacon to sign a contract, then have fun. Of course, if you eat your spouse, that’s probably illegal.

  • Anonymous

    This has nothing to do with Churches. They can still marry whoever they want and be as prejudiced as they want. This is about CIVIL marriage. The law.
    I think a big problem here is that you never learned the 1st amendment. 

  • Anonymous

    The government isn’t telling your church anything. This has nothing to do with churches. This is about civil law. 
    But if you’re a bigot, don’t be shocked if someone calls you one.

  • Anonymous

    Still with that idiotic rant? You can’t figure out that children can’t sign contracts? Does your hatred make you stupid, or does your stupidity make you hateful?

  • Anonymous

    Nope, you don’t have to accept anything. In the US, you have the right to be a racist, hateful, asshole.
    But you can’t abridge anyone’s civil liberties.

  • Anonymous

    this has nothing to do with any church. this is about civil laws.

  • Anonymous

    You don’t have to go anywhere else, and you don’t have to marry someone else of the same gender. What freedom! 

  • Anonymous

    what do you think the establishment clause means?

    BTW, you can pray in public anytime you feel like it. Duh.

  • Anonymous

    Explain to us the meaning of the establishment clause then.

  • Anonymous

    they’re both spouses, genius. so is a husband and wife. 

  • Anonymous

    and if a chicken had lips, she could whistle. get real.

  • Anonymous

    My, my, look at the hate. You HATE me. You absolutely HATE me. I never said I hated anyone. It is an emotion you assigned to me to denigrate my position. Unless you can provide fact, your position is invalid. The entire idea that anyone has a “right” to marry is ludicrous. Nowhere in any of our founding documents does it recognize or bestow the “right” on anyone. Marriage used to be a religious concept that the gub’mint has no “right” to be involved in. As far as homophobia, the only people I see on here expressing this level of hatred are heterophobes.

  • Anonymous

    Nope, don’t hate you at all. I hate the sin of intolerance and prejudice, not the sinner. If you’re unclear about the civil laws pertaining to marriage, do some research. The point is that if straight people can get married, so can gay people.

  • Anonymous

     Well, howdy again, knowitsome. You’ve mentioned the Constitution several times on this here comment section but you haven’t given an exact location in it that backs up your point. I’ll give you this opportunity to do so.

  • Anonymous

     Let’s see, Bozo. Government takeover of healthcare, IRS/NSA spying, removal of religion, etc., etc. Would that be non-sense or nonsense?

  • Anonymous

    Those with a conscience and knowledge of what their body
    cavities are designed for will soon change their outdated marriage wording to “Sacrament
    of marriage between a man and a woman”. That should give God-fearing people assurance
    the sacrament of marriage can still be respected. 

  • Elena

    The military will lose all its Catholic, Orthodox, and half the Protestant clergy if they force consciences.  The endorsing agents will shut the DoD down.

    To become a military chaplain, you must have:  2 full-time years of ministerial experience, Masters of Divinity degree (or equivalent for Mormons and muslims), ordination to the priesthood (or equivalent), and an ecclesiastical endorser.  The endorser is a special office in any given denomination that says that this chaplain candidate meets the theological requirements to represent that denomination to the world in an institutional setting.

    If an endorser pulls a chaplain’s credentials (endorsement), that chaplain is done.  If he/she cannot laterally move to some other specialty, they are discharged.

    If the Catholics withdrew its chaplains fm all 3 services (USMC and USCG use Navy Chaplains), the DoD would be in a huge pickle.  You can go only so long with LEMs.

  • Anonymous

    No one is being forced to conduct any ceremony they don’t want to. 

  • Anonymous

    1st amendment. No establishment of religion. That means that you can believe what yo want, like gay marriage is wrong, but you can’t impose that on anyone else.

  • Anonymous

    until they get divorced, right?

  • Anonymous

    yeah, because communists are really big on human rights.

  • Anonymous

    Read the fucking question I was answering dickhead!

  • HeretoSpeak

    I know. I just hope that the Catholic Church does not capitulate to the radical fashions.

  • HeretoSpeak

    Same concept. Try concepts.

  • Elena

    For the moment.

    As you read, some are being heavily pressured by commanders to “get w/the new agenda.”  Every year, every officer gets an evaluation.  A commander can take it out on that report; and, short of a law suit, there is not much the officer can do about it.  A formal protest can be made, but I’m here to tell you it won’t undo the damage done by a poor performance review or one that is “damned by faint praise.”  In fact, the preferred way of getting rid of an officer is to “damn w/faint praise.”  He/She will not get selected for either retention or for promotion.  I have seen it done.

  • Elena

    Nobody is asking for establishment of any particular religion.  What is of concern is that religion will be interfered with thru manipulation or pressure fm outside.  It will come in a form that looks like:

    Do what I say do or find a new job/career.

    As my former Legal Officer instructor was fond of saying — nobody can go 24 hrs without breaking at least one of the laws under the UCMJ.  An Chaplain who refuses to perform a homosexual marriage service can be eliminated if the commander so chooses.

  • LeShagBag

    I was being sarcastic…

  • Anonymous

    they won’t, although the new pope seems cooler than the last.

  • Anonymous

    Pretty sure your employer can already say, “do what I say or get a new job”.

    The way it works, in my understanding, is that if a chaplain of your denomination is available, you use that one. But if you’re in the field, and there’s only one guy, you use him whatever your religion. Remember Padre in MASH praying for the Jewish soldiers, too?
    But I don’t think people are getting married on the battlefield, right? So if it’s a marriage that happens at a base at home, they can find a chaplain that is willing to do it. Not a problem.

  • HeretoSpeak

    You are right. It looks like the Church will stnad by what is right.

  • Anonymous

    You stand by what you think is right, I’ll stand by what I think is right, and the country will thrive. We try to control what each other thinks or believes, and we’re all in big trouble.

  • HeretoSpeak

    Yes. I will accept the court’s decision because I have to. But it is wrong. It is destructive. I will not interfere with any gays getting married and not bother them, of course. I understand that they would want to get married, of course; that goes without saying.

    But it is wrong.

  • Anonymous

    The first amendment. VeteranJack was screaming something about God, and I’m pointing out that that has nothing to do with any law.

  • Anonymous

    let’s see, genius. there’s no govt takeover of healthcare, it’s still private insurance and medicare like it was before. the irs looked at all groups, the only scandal is issa telling investigators to only look at investigations into conservative groups and ignore investigations into liberal groups. that’s the only scandal there. the nsa has been spying on us since before obama, and religion was removed in 1787 when the constitution was ratified. what else you got?

  • Anonymous

    you said you deserved to be burned to the ground. speak for yourself.

  • Anonymous

    Are people getting married on the battlefield? Because there’s plenty of chaplains of different denominations. I”m sure every couple getting married will be able to find one that suits them.

  • Anonymous

    you were being psychotic.

  • Anonymous

    it is moral and ethical to prevent discrimination.

  • Anonymous

    Just like I will accept their terrible decision on the Voting Rights Act and Citizens United.

  • HeretoSpeak

    Yes.

  • HeretoSpeak

    No choice.

  • Anonymous

    What violations of the Constitution? Where in the 1st Amendment does it say anything about a right to marriage? You’ve claimed that marriage is a right no less that three times in recent posts and I’ll be darned but I don’t think you can show me any documents saying anyone has the “right” to marry.

  • Anonymous

     Hitler was a Nazi; a National Socialist. What about that do you not understand or are you hoping uneducated people will buy this falsehood hook, line and sinker?

  • Anonymous

    Cover up, dude, your agenda is showing. You are so blinded by your ideology you can’t see how foolish you are. It’s not about the IRS harassing conservative groups, it’s about the power to harass any group they want to. Do you realize what you’re saying is tantamount to “trust the government”? The entire founding of America was based on the distrust of government. Can you actually say that with a straight face?

    How does “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” remove religion? There’s really no sense in talking to you as you’ve been thoroughly indoctrinated into the far left vision of what is right. You’d probably still be espousing that theory as they marched you off to prison for tax evasion.

  • Anonymous

    “Where in the 1st Amendment does it say anything about a right to marriage? ”

    It doesn’t. There is no right to marry. No one is claiming that there is. But if some people can marry, you can’t prevent others because of your own religious beliefs.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not saying trust the government. I’m saying the IRS scandal is no scandal. Their job is to read the applications for tax exemption written by organizations, and decide if they are tax exempt. If they are political, they are not. Nothing wrong with what they did. I’d think you’d be opposed to organizations using tax money illegally.

    And I don’t know what it means to “remove religion”. That’s not possible. It’s in my heart. No one can remove it.

  • Elena

    You don’t know radicals who wish to push buttons and disrupt as much as possible.

    The homosexual couple will ask the Chaplain they KNOW who won’t do the wedding service.  Then they make the charge against the Chaplain.

    “Do what I want” firings in the civilian sector only applies to right-to-work states.

    I have been in the field w/Marines.  We have appointed Lay Leader/Reader personnel who perform in the absence of specific clergy.  I can pray with any and all, but I cannot administer sacraments outside my own denomination.  I very seriously doubt a Christian or Jew would seek out spiritual advice fm an Imam.

    M*A*S*H is entertainment, not real life.

  • Sandie

    Having a bad day? Or ran into an blithering blatherer?
    LMAO!

  • Elena

    No, they will start with the one who offends them first.  The object is to get rid of clergy who follow conscience and church/rabbinic teaching.

    Plus, there is far more to it than just marriage.  I have counseled homosexuals in the service.  My Christian advice was to remain celibate, as befits a Jew or Christian, rather than live in sin.  It’s the same spiritual counsel I have offered to adulterers, which is equally offensive to the Lord.

    Now my spiritual counsel would be deemed a court martial offense.  That is what it means to go against one’s conscience.

  • LeShagBag

    I know… that was done intentionally.

  • Anonymous

    Homosexual marriage is not a religion. It is a violation of science, conscience and common sense! Common sense is a gift from our Creator all humans receive at birth when each person first breaths and becomes a living soul – separating humans from animals. 

  • Anonymous

    Again, you’re quite entitles to your (obviously religious) opinion, but you are not entitled to expect that everyone else feels the same way about it, and you certainly are not entitled to abridge anyone’s rights because of it.
    The constitution. It’s not that complicated.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry you can not differentiate between religion and science, conscience and common sense. Also sorry you feel anyone expects everyone to feel the same way about anything.

    No one needs religion of any kind to know what their body cavities are designed for. Don’t you know that? Hope you can improve on your sense of reality! But if your mind (soul) is already turned reprobate you probably won’t be able to.

  • Anonymous

    Body cavities have many purposes! They were created by God, and God’s a genius that way. Anal sex is fun. The anus has a ton of nerve endings, so it can tell the difference between farts, loose stool, solid stool, etc. but to each her own. I won’t force you to have anal sex. That’s called freedom! Is this a great country or what?

  • Anonymous

    Knowitsome.  Thanks for your honest and public testimony. 

  • antithetical radical

    Actually, being lazy when it comes to the details reveals one to be intellectually deficient. It only requires some basic ability to spell correctly, or to write in grammatically correct English. Excusing the lack of skill in someone’s writing isn’t supporting them, it is enabling them to be less than they have the potential to be. You are not helping them by giving them a pass, you are actually causing them harm by not asking better of them.  

  • antithetical radical

    That is the only thing you have posted which is undeniably true. 

  • antithetical radical

    Off topic, again.

  • antithetical radical

    How so? Simply because you do not agree with someone does not indicate any measure of their intelligence. You should evaluate your own words before remarking on those of others in such a critical manner. 

  • antithetical radical

    Yes you should and are.

  • antithetical radical

    Actually, your comment denies June1969′s free speech rights and his pursuit of his chosen faith. It is worded as freedom to worship in The Constitution, not freedom from religion. Perhaps you should reacquaint yourself with The Constitution before blasting someone else.

  • antithetical radical

    I think you are a moron, however I don’t deny you the right to express your opinion. You really should restrict yourself to the topic under discussion as that is part of the terms of use agreement you signed off on to have access to this site. 

  • antithetical radical

    Stop being a cement head.

  • antithetical radical

    America is not dead, but she is in peril because of people who will gleefully work toward that end. Are you one of those people? Do you even know what being American is about? Are you prepared to do what it takes to support America, and defend it’s people and The Constitution?

    You can’t even restrict yourself to the topic here. All you do is come here and post ad-hominem off topic attacks on other commenters.

    You have not shown us much more than that.

  • antithetical radical

    Remember Goering? 

    Why do you bring up Hitler? Remember J. Edgar Hoover? 

    Seriously, you are going to have to do better than that. All that happened as a result of this decision is that the Supreme Court has handed the responsibility and decision making in regards to gay marriage back to the states. Face it, outside of the liberal bastions on both coasts and a few larger metropolitan areas there will be isolated pockets of permissible gay marriage. The rest of the country will remain as it is, immune to your agenda.

  • antithetical radical

    What hate? There was no hate expressed, so if there is any here it is yours. 

  • antithetical radical

    Diana Ross and her backup singers had nothing to do with this. DOMA was not overturned in it’s entirety, which seems to be what you are suggesting. Only part of it was included in the decision. What is it that you do know? So far you have not shown much that you do know. Your handle should be AssumesMuchWithoutProof.

  • antithetical radical

    You were doing well until this, “Some days I wonder if the Muslims shouldn’t come and implement shariah law and put the fear of God into us (not that they know God better, but it would be a chastosement) lukewarm and perverted (mostly from our comforts) souls. ”. 

    Man can deal with this problem, but Obama isn’t that man by any stretch of the imagination.

  • antithetical radical

    He did not give a command to kill Bin Laden – merely affirming a standing plan for execution is not giving a command. You know absolutely nothing about matters military, that much is evident. I think you have exceeded your understanding and are only capable of fabricating at this point.

  • antithetical radical

    Seems like you would benefit from some introspective analysis yourself. Instead of being an ugly, aggressive and insulting presence you could try informing people with fact when they express what in your judgment is ignorance. In other words, attacking people and giving them a verbal beat down isn’t constructive. Try another way.

  • antithetical radical

    Your failure to discern sarcasm, or simply ignore comments you dislike is only exceeded by your overreaction and dispensation of foul language. Again, you show your lack of wisdom and knowledge. Thanks for pointing out your inadequacy and making our job that much easier.

  • antithetical radical

    That is only part of the equation for the Gay Marriage people – most of it has to do with how they are treated by government regarding survivor benefits and restrictions such as medical information rules that exclude all but family. It is actually more about stuff than spiritual concerns. Things that brought the suit to the Supreme Court include a case of a gay couple in which one person passed away and left her estate to the spouse, but since the spouse was the same sex there was no direct transfer of property – the IRS took 1/3 of the estate in inheritance tax. Because of this ruling, the IRS now owes the surviving spouse a refund check. THAT is what most of the Gay Marriage deal is about. 
    Money, property, real estate, taxes, that is where the gay couples lost out prior to this decision, not in matters of religious belief. 

  • antithetical radical

    You are absolutely out of line. Your blanket condemnation of conservatives is dehumanizing and is equivalent to racism in nature. What is it that hard core liberals don’t understand about this? Stereotyping people according to preconcieved ideas and substitution of that for knowledge is what is wrong on both sides.  

  • antithetical radical

    Be careful what you profess abhorrence for… it is easy to step over the line when blinded by hate.  

  • Anonymous

    June1969 can say whatever she wants. She can stand on the street corner and preach all day long. What she cannot do, is pass any law based on her religious beliefs. That’s all. That does not take away her free speech rights, or her right to worship as she chooses. Passing laws is not religious worship.

  • Anonymous

    What are you, the hate site message board police? Anyway, your message to me is DEFINITELY off topic. Far off topic than anything I have written. So fuck off.

  • Anonymous

    did you perform a lot of marriages in the field?

  • Anonymous

    that is not the object. and i know plenty of churches and synagogues that embrace their gay parishioners and support marriage equality. 

    fundamentalists are a minority, in every religion.

    I’m offended that you think you can speak about what offends the lord. Jesus never condemns homosexuality, and the OT only talks about it in a vague and limited way.

  • Anonymous

    you can do better than mere parroting.

  • Anonymous

    as long as you pay your taxes. the irs doesn’t care if you recognize them, you still have to pay them.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, and the Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea is a democracy.

    LOL.

  • Anonymous

    It’s handed back to the states for now, but within a couple years, it’ll be back in the Supreme Court under 14th amendment grounds, and marriage equality will be the law everywhere. So get used to the idea.

  • Anonymous

    you don’t think abby hates “communists”? you know, the ones that are bringin us down?

  • Anonymous

    Oh, really! Look at the rest of the comments in this piece, or any of the comments on Beck’s website or you own statement about hard core liberals that don’t understand and tell me it’s not stereotyping. Kinda hypocritical, don’t you think?

  • Anonymous

    haha gee that’s so funny and original.

    section 3 was the only thing being questioned. it was tossed.

    section 1 says “This Act may be cited as the “Defense of Marriage Act”. Yes, that’s still in effect.

    section 2 is in direct conflict with the 14 amendment, and will be overturned when a case is presented that challenges it. It wasn’t questioned or addressed in the last case

    .If you can even understand any of that.

  • Anonymous

    A little of the first and a lot of the latter! LOL!

  • landofaahs

    Nor does agreement.  Nor does group think.  Frankly, the only way to define real intelligence is by determining what is truth.  That will come in the end when all pretenders kindly step aside or are cast aside.  The wise man listens to God.  The one true God of the Trinity.

  • landofaahs

    You Q’s are all alike.

  • landofaahs

    I think it is his left handed way of asking you out.

  • landofaahs

    O.K. boys, quit stoning each other.  Save it for the Knowitsomes.

  • landofaahs

    Actually, I once met  Goering. But I was very young.

  • landofaahs

    What does Hitler have to do with DOMA.  Keep on topic.  Don’t  you remember the terms of agreement? 

  • landofaahs

    You said my words were off topic.  A topic can be expanded in the course of conversation as long as it loops back around to the same point.  

  • landofaahs

    Off topic boy.  What does that have to do with DOMA?  Besides the point is of a political nature, which DOMA is.  So I was not off topic, but you are mentally off balance.  Please follow if you can.  We’ll wait for you to catch up.

  • landofaahs

    Keep your gayness to yourself then.

  • landofaahs

    O.K. I know your slow, but follow me. What is America?

  • Anonymous

     You guys should leave if you hate America so much.

  • antithetical radical

    You wish, OFF TOPIC AGAIN.

  • antithetical radical

    Your words were aggressive toward other posters and in the form of verbal attacks. You know it, we all know it, and now you might begin to understand what off topic means. If you have some point to make regarding the subject matter being discussed that’s great, but “expanding” a topic does not include attacking others. There have been times when I have read your comments and found something to agree with in them, but your version of “expanding the topic” boils down to moving the goal posts and beating on people with words.

    I bring your attention to that fact for a reason.

  • antithetical radical

    Ask Liberal Stan – he brought it up.

  • antithetical radical

    The question is do YOU understand it.

  • antithetical radical

    No, you don’t find me making comments that cast aspersions upon others here, but you and the rest of the liberals who come here seem to do it for two reasons – to troll, and to gloat when you think you have won a victory. Neither option is righteous or beneficent. Get over yourself and stop the annoying attacks.

  • antithetical radical

    Your comments are out of line regardless of what I think of abby.

  • antithetical radical

    Perhaps, but it isn’t the case under question now, so stop trying to rub this in other people’s faces. Be happy a partial split judgment went your way and move on. Coming here to deliver verbal beat downs is wrong and so are those who do it. That includes you.

  • antithetical radical

    Why should I bother? You aren’t able to comprehend beyond that – which is why my comment seems like mere parroting to you.

  • antithetical radical

    Clean it up, or is that the limit of your intellectual prowess?

  • antithetical radical

    You have missed the point entirely – mostly because the point is counter to what you want it to be. Try again, you failed.

  • antithetical radical

    Truth requires fact, not intelligence. I agree with you in a spiritual sense, however I disagree with your confrontational style. What would Jesus do? Think about it before you dash off another aggressive post to me or someone else. You are what the unbeliever sees as an example of our faith, and the depiction you present is important.

  • Anonymous

    Since I explained it clearly, obviously yes.

  • landofaahs

    Boo hoo. My words were aggressive. If you can’t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. By the way, did it ever cross your mind that the very act of saying that someone is off topic is in and of itself off topic? Why are you afraid of words? They only hurt if you allow them too. Get some thicker skin. Wuss.

  • Anonymous

    keep your intolerance to yourself

  • Anonymous

    why am i not surprised you hang out with nazis

  • Anonymous

    the knowitsomes are already stoned.

  • landofaahs

    No surprise there.

  • landofaahs

    I did not say I hung out with Nazi’s.

  • landofaahs

    If you are truly tolerant, you have to tolerate my intolerance otherwise you yourself are intolerant. That makes you a hypocrite. On the other hand, I do not believe that intolerance is a bad thing so I am not hypocritical in my intolerance. Intolerance is a good thing. We should never tolerate lying perverted liberals.

  • landofaahs

    So you making the point of being off topic was really not the point, but a deceitful attempt to silence someone because you did not like their style. By the way my style has nothing to do with DOMA so keep on topic hypocrite.

  • landofaahs

    I don’t move goal posts, I just respond to dummies. Expanding is not moving.

  • Anonymous

    I tolerate your intolerance. You’re still alive and still spouting hatred. You can say and believe anything you like. You just can’t impose it on others through civil laws.

  • landofaahs

    Nor can you.  No matter what laws exist, many of us will see behavior for what it is.  It’s our duty to teach other too.  Especially our children.  Yes we will teach them RIGHT.

  • Anonymous

    I hope not about how evolution and climate change are lies, the universe is 5000 years old, but in any case, good luck with that.

  • landofaahs

    I don’t need luck, I have Christ and you have your satanic lifestyle according to the Bible you ridicule. 

  • antithetical radical

    You only expanded your ego. You keep deluding yourself, but you do move the goal posts every time you are called out and this last post of yours proves it.

  • antithetical radical

    You have no style, and I don’t care to silence you. What you do need to do is stop behaving like a troll and now the choice is yours. If you continue to be un-civil you can expect to be challenged no matter what the topic.

  • antithetical radical

    So now you lash out and call me names. Your impotence shines throughout your bluster and makes the case for me, so by all means continue. Your language and attitude are not personally offensive to me, but jumping people you don’t know via the internet tells us all about your personal level of courage and valor. It also reflects poorly on your self esteem.

  • antithetical radical

    You failed in that case. Your comments clearly indicate a lack of understanding.

  • landofaahs

    My self esteem is fine. You however have some serious mental issues. You accuse me of lashing out at you and calling you names when you should be concerned about your own posts. You have called people “moron”, “cement head” and you said and I quote, Actually being lazy when it comes to details reveals one to be intellectually deficient”. You jumped in and started this back and forth and if you can’t take it then don’t dish it out. So I guess your statement about courage and valor should be pointed at you. But you are an idiot.

  • landofaahs

    I look forward to having a battle of wits with an unarmed person like you.

  • landofaahs

    And what of your superego when you are an id(iot).

  • Anonymous

    Thr Taliban is a tool of the globalists, anymore. Their fellow travelers, who are jihadist leaders, just tell them it’s a holy war when they have them bomb places. Your president has Muslims with shady pasts in high places and he has helped church bombers overthrow dictators for the Muslim Brotherhood. The MB were started by NAZI collaborators amongst Arabs. Thusly, Leftists are reigning in an Islamic law by those who are likely being used to wreck this civilization so the globalists can assimilate it. They could care less about Blacks, women, Hispanics or homosexuals. That’s just what they yell the “useful idiots”, who we all have been at one time, but some of us have grown-up.

  • Anonymous

    The unborn have lost their lives. Their crime was they were inconvienient. At least, in conservative societies, homosexuals can live, have good careers, have fun, etc., but most vote for those who try their damndest, literally, to strip away all civil rights from those who look different and may be quite differently abled after birth and are, thus, inconvenient. These are the Klanish types most homosexuals and their allies vote for, but what they hell do you all care about? You got your little revenge against the Christians and the society they made, however imperfect. Hitler had a homosexual troop, once. He killed them when they were no longer necessary, just as Stalin did with his tools. Their regimes were fsponsored by occultic globalists, who are running things, now. What will you do when they come for you and your homosexuals pals?

  • Anonymous

    What ever you religious beliefs are about gay marriage.  This battle was about Tax rights and being able to have your spouse whatever flavor, act on your behalf and get the same tax protection that other currently get.  This in no way forces churches or religions to marry, they can do if they choose or not.  they don’t lose there tax status.  This was the right thing to do, now the government can’t tell you can’t marry the person that you love because of their gender.

    You religious beliefs and church won’t be affected it will be business as usually.  lets move on, there are way bigger things to get worked up about.

  • Anonymous

    I feel bad for the hate in your soul.  Why are you so afraid of soldiers, airman and sailors having the right to pray to God?  The marriage took place in a religious chapel on the base by a captain chaplain! Your misunderstanding of catholics, Christians and the Word of God is sad.  I will pray for those like you who are so afraid of God nd the practice of peaceful people in worshipping the way they wish is scary.  based on your words there should be no Chaplaiins in the Military and Military people who live and work on a military base with their families should be denied the opportunity to even pray!  I suggest you go back to the founding documents such as Common Sense by Thomas Paine as well as the Federalist Papers.  As a note I do read the Bible daily.  The name of God appears their in almost every verse!  Sme for the Name of his, Jesus Christ!  Prayers specifically mention the name of God to include Genesis where God created a man and a woman.  Commaon readings during a wedding!  God Bless.   

  • Anonymous

    I have no hate, I’m not afraid of god, and I’m ok with military chaplains. Including Muslims and satanists and such.

  • Elena

    Jesus speaks of marriage in several places — always one man and one woman.

    The OT is not at all vague about homosexual CONDUCT; it explicitly forbids it along with other sexual conduct that is outside the boundaries of marriage.

    The NT, see Paul’s letter to the Romans, also explicitly forbids homosexual conduct.

    It is the activity, not the biology, that God condemns.  Anyone who moves his/her sexual desires above God’s boundaries violates the Covenant, for in doing so, that person is effectively saying to God that he/she knows better than God.  It’s a form of idolatry.  Sex is turned into the idol.

  • Elena

    LOL — not a one, but I did turn down a few in garrison.  One Catholic couple wanted to marry to move the HHG while another figured now was a good time since the family was in town for her high school graduation.

    I had every right to turn down anyone I determined was not prepared for marriage,  baptism, or communion.  I would bury anyone since that person’s eternal resting place had been determined by the Father already.  Besides, a funeral is not for the dead so much as it is for the living.

    However, I’ve been retired a number of years and watch as my current colleagues are being forced toward having to perform sacred rites regardless of their conscience.  That flies in the face of our First Amendment in which gov’t is forbidden to monkey w/religious ritual & belief.

  • Anonymous

    marriage is not about the conduct or activity. it is about identity.

  • antithetical radical

    I have no ego problem – you on the other hand are projecting if you think I do. I have been silent for months here, but too many times I have watched you come here to slam others, and most of the time it has been without cause or any redeeming motive.

  • antithetical radical

    You underestimate me to your peril.

  • antithetical radical

    Back at you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000566446714 Klaudia Patricia

    Omg you are what is wrong with everything in society,  poor feeble mind

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000566446714 Klaudia Patricia

    You are the prove that religion is dangerous and is the shield for homophobics racists and all sort of twisted folks out there.

  • landofaahs

    May God bless you and heal you of your affliction.

  • landofaahs

    God bless you and heal you of your affliction.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you! Have a nice life … I will pray for you!

  • antithetical radical

    I have no affliction, nor will I accept your pronouncement. God has blessed me and continues to do so in spite of your opinion.

  • antithetical radical

    Read the prior response.

  • landofaahs

    May God bless you and heal you of your affliction.

  • Elena

    Rubbish!  Your gender is the identity part.  Marriage is about 1) continuing the race and its culture; 2) being part of the ultimate team and the joy that can bring; 3) growth as a person; etc.

  • Anonymous

    You contribute to culture and grow as a person your way, and I’ll do the same in mine. That’s freedom! ‘Mericah!

  • Anonymous

    I don’t agree with you. There are already law suits in the courts with gays and lesbians suing because the church and pastor won’t officiate same-sex marriages.