Struggles continue for prosecution in George Zimmerman trial

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The defense in the George Zimmerman trial is expected to rest its case shortly, which leads to the question that has captured national attention for over a year now: Will Zimmerman walk? Should he walk? On radio this morning, Stu and Pat went through some of the facts in the case and, unfortunately for the prosecution, it’s not looking like there’s much of a legal case.

From the beginning, the media and people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have made this a racial charged incident in which a white man killed a black teenager. Even once it became known that Zimmerman was in fact Hispanic, the narrative changed only slightly. The media continued to paint Zimmerman as an over-zealous aggressor, while Trayvon Martin was seen as a saint.

“George Zimmerman is being inserted into horror movies retroactively. He’s being portrayed as Satan,” Pat said. “And, you know, the opposite was true for Trayvon Martin. He was supposed to be this angelic character. The president of the United States said, ‘If he had a son, he would look like Trayvon.’ I mean we went through that whole thing where he was pure as the driven snow and George Zimmerman was this awful racist white guy, which he isn’t even a white guy, just out to murder a black person for some reason. And nothing like that has seemingly been the case since the trial began.”

“The racism thing is completely dead, completely dead,” Stu continued. “You can still argue that he did the wrong thing at this time, he handled this incident improperly, he shouldn’t have tried to get involved in the situation, he should have – I don’t know, risked the fact that maybe he was going to go break in and just wait for the police to come or whatever. You can argue all of that. But the racism thing is completely dead.”

And based on the testimony yesterday, from renowned forensic pathologist, Dr. Vincent de Mayo, it looks like the idea of Zimmerman being the aggressor that night is also being called into question.

ATTORNEY: Are you aware that Mr. Zimmerman said that Trayvon Martin was straddling him?

DR. DE MAYO: Yes, sir.

ATTORNEY: And leaning over him?

DR. DE MAYO: Yes, sir.

ATTORNEY: And that Mr.†Zimmerman had the gun in his right hand?

DR. DE MAYO: Yes, sir.

ATTORNEY: And if you would describe then what you know about that sequence of events compared with the medical, forensic, and gunshot evidence.

DR. DE MAYO: The medical evidence of the gunshot wound is consistent with his opinion, with his statement. But the fact that we know the clothing is two to four inches away is consistent with somebody leaning over the person doing the shooting and that the clothing is two to four inches away from the person.

“I mean, the way he described it, I mean, if you think about it, if you’re on your back and you’re the one on the losing side of this fight, your clothing, his hoodie, the famous hoodie is going to be pressed up against his body. Not only because of the fact that, you know, just gravity will do that. Also, his shirt, his hoodie was wet. So if you think of a wet sweatshirt, what’s going to happen? When you’re leaning backwards, it’s going to be leaning up against your body, almost sticking to your body. If you’re leaning over someone, because the clothing’s heavier, it’s going to fall away from your body. He also had an Arizona ice tea or fruit drink or something in his pocket of the hoodie, so that’s going to make it lean down even further,” Stu explained. “And this, this idea that Zimmerman had executed him with the gun pressed up against his skin is completely disproved by this evidence. You know, if you think about, he’s on the bottom shooting up. His clothing is four inches away from his body. And they can tell that from, you know, what happened as far as the forensics go with the bullet. So obviously Trayvon was on top. Obviously they were in an altercation. We know because of the evidence of the back of Zimmerman’s head and the broken nose that he was not on the winning side of this altercation, and it seems completely justifiable that at that moment he believed his life was in danger, he was in danger of serious harm, and he used his gun and, you know, what looks like his Second Amendment right to defend himself.”

In laying out this evidence, Pat and Stu both reiterated that they do not necessarily support Zimmerman or his actions, but they do want to see the justice system work as it is intended to. In this particular case, the evidence seems to corroborate Zimmerman’s story that he acted in self-defense.

“I don’t think he should have done this in the first place. I don’t think he should have followed the guy. I think he should have left that up to the authorities,” Pat said. “But, you know, once he’s in the situation and you’re getting beaten and your head’s getting smashed against the pavement and you think your life is in peril, what are you going to do? I mean, it’s tragic that he went down that road but, you know, to charge him with murder is just, it’s unconscionable at this point.”

Jeffy was quick to point out, however, that unless Zimmerman is completely exonerated, there is a good possibility he will still go to prison for some length of time on a lesser charge.

“I think, you know, to be honest about it, if I’m being completely honest, like, I have no vested interest in George Zimmerman other than the fact that I believe in our system and I want it to work for the best,” Stu said. “The best thing for probably all of us outside of George Zimmerman is that he does go to jail because God only knows what happens if this guy is set free after what the media has told America about this story, you know. But, you know, just because I care about the system and I care about, you know, his personal liberty, I think I want justice to be served. But the best thing for all of us probably is he goes to jail on some, I don’t know, he was speeding at the time before he parked his truck. He’s going to jail.”

Ultimately, Pat and Stu are both afraid that fear of violence and retribution will lead to an outcome that is not necessarily just.

“I mean, like, they did everything wrong in this case mainly because of fear from people like Al Sharpton, people who come in and incite these cases and light fires under people and blame every single piece of evidence that comes out in Zimmerman’s favor on racism,” he continued. “When you do that, you make people act erratically. And even if these guys in Sanford were good guys and just doing this because they felt they wanted to avoid a riot or something else, I mean, justice can’t be served under those circumstances, and, you know, that’s certainly been shown in this case I think so far.”

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Zimmerman acted in self-defense, and he cannot get a fair trial in any shape, means or form.

    The DA has no case, none at all; yet we find out the Federal Dept of Justice has spent funds to transport protesters to the area, worked to get the sheriff in the area fired, and has done all it can to ensure this becomes a politically motivated prosecution.

    Pres Obama escalated this matter to the national level with his “If I had a son…’ statement and has ensured that if Zimmerman is found innocent, he will be prosecuted for hate crimes and civil rights violations on the Federal level.

    I expect, given the way the judge has been acting lately, she and the DA are being pressured from the administration to ensure a conviction happens. Hence we are in the era in which the right of self-defense, and the right to an impartial and fair trial have come to an end.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    There is no fairness possible in this trial, the hate-groups and Obama have ensured that. When he is found not guilty, then the riots will begin.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Malcolm-Krause/100001263810852 Malcolm Krause

    I hope his defense team will have away out for him, Fly him out of Florida and maybe out of the country. 
    This guys life is over and HLN, Nancy Grace,CNN, MSNBC have destroyed his life and his family. If someone gets killed in the riots that are about to begin it’s on their heads.

    Who will be the next VICTIM of the MEDIA JUSTICE SYSTEM

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Malcolm-Krause/100001263810852 Malcolm Krause

    I hope these jurors don’t convict Zimmerman because of political correctness or what could happen to them if they don’t convict Zimmerman.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Malcolm-Krause/100001263810852 Malcolm Krause

    If they don’t convect Zimmerman could the justice system or Obamas cop in Washington start looking at these 6 jurors. Look into their backgrounds. Lets see who or what organizations they have been involved with?   Wouldn’t surprise me.

  • Chuck Robey

    Let the Riots begin I look forward to them that just means more target practice for me..

  • Anonymous

    Riots lets wait and see , sounds like a lot of hot air to me .

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    This guys life is over and HLN, Nancy Grace,CNN, MSNBC have destroyed
    his life and his family. If someone gets killed in the riots that are
    about to begin it’s on their heads. 

  • crazy betty

    al sharpton and jesse jackson belong to satan

  • Lawrence Lutz

    All I can say is get ready for the RIOTS.  They are coming folks as has been planned by the federal government when they ensured this meritless case when to trial.  Not only should this not have gone to trial, Zimmerman should get life long protection from overzealous idiots who are going to attempt to take his life.  The President should rescind his stupid statement since he likes to use that word in describing race related matters.  Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson should be imprisoned for inciting any riot that may occur as well.  This nation is going down the tubes quickly because of divisive and hateful people. 

  • Anonymous

    Zimmerman should die just like Travon did….what a bitch coward….hope he enjoy taking up the ass…

  • Anonymous

    We will get him one way or another….just you weight and see

  • Anonymous

     that because you are a little bitch coward

  • Anonymous

     Zimmerman is a coward bitch…..and anyone that support him is a little bitch too

  • Anonymous

    f beck and his followers

  • Anonymous

    What a tool. Did I give you the attention you want pansy?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anne-Roberts/100001113715284 Anne Roberts

    I disagree with Pat and Stu.  There has already been protests–planned protests–sent down to Florida, supported and engaging Al Sharpton, to stir up the racist hate by our own Department of Justice under Eric Holder.  The Administration WANT a race war and this is how they get it going.  The public need to be aware of this crime against the people and stop it.  The power and ammunition is knowledge and guts.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anne-Roberts/100001113715284 Anne Roberts

    Don’t be stupid and fall for the bait!  The more the public know about the actions of the administration and the Justice ( !!!! ) Department, wherein real  Justice depends on the color of your skin–completely anathema to over 200 years as a successful nation, admired and respected by the rest of the world, the more difficult the Agenda of this administration will be.  They have planned for unrest; they have hired and sent and financed hundreds of their Protesters to stir up the populace.  The Americans need to be aware of the trap deliberately set and NOT fall prey to it.  What do you think those fema camps are for?  Why did they pass the patriot act?  Why are they instructing the pride and joy of West Point to disregard the rights of American citizens IF they protest?  Why is the military being required to sign forms stating whether or not they are willing to shoot American citizens who protest?  THINK!!!!

  • Anonymous

     what a racist bigot full of hate……

  • Anonymous

    No lib….it’s because Chuck will be protecting the rest of the law abiding citizens from the mongrels who look for any excuse to riot, rob and plunder.

  • Anonymous

     What church are you talking about…the one that defend the proliferation the guns on the streets of our cities is that the church that you are talking about. Or is it the church that supported the Bush administration bogus war in the name of weapons of mass distraction and Islamic terrorism. Isn’t the church that turns a blind eye racism bigotry and hatred.

  • Anonymous

     That is exactly why they will convict him.

  • Anonymous

    And yo folk can’t be gotten huh ! you one ass folk ! Just you wait and see !
                   Hey tough guy WEIGHT you mean like that fat head of yours ?
    YO DA MARTITS PERTON ONN HEAER !
    Go play with your gun .

  • Anonymous

    I have never seen a judge trying so hard to convict a person.  They are surely getting pressure from Washington.  Very obvious. 

  • Tatiana

    People who came to this country last 40
    years as legal immigrants are flabbergasted by this schizophrenic white America’s guilt
    toward blacks.

    They brought them 300 hundred years ago, already slaves in Africa, to the best
    country in the world, which not only Christianized them and moved from the
    stone age to industrialized society, but  paid with American blood to liberate them from
    slavery, while the whole world, besides a few European countries, treated
    slavery as a normal social order. Poland
    had slavery until 1840, Finland
    until 1820, Russia
    until 1861 and returned to slavery in 1917.

    Those African countries, from where American blacks were brought from, still
    view blacks as trading commodity. In Mali,
    Sudan,
    and other places you can buy a black slave from Arabs for the price of lunch.
    Actually some African tribes still see their enemies as lunch. Read about war
    cannibalism in Ghana.

    Until Americans will be victims of reverse racism, (look at this affirmative
    action president and Eric Holder) country is doomed to be ruled by the slaves.
    As Roman proverb says:”FORMER SLAVES ARE THE WORST MASTERS .”.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4HAW7OERGSC7VZM72V7IGDJ3B4 Sharmane

     The irrelevant, race hustling Sharpton along with his sidekick Jesse Jackson are both professional agitators.  That is the sum and substance of their poorly lived lives.  They are the poster children for racism. “Reverends” they are not. They are dividers, not uniters.

  • Anonymous

    Yes and I am sure that is why when the plantation owners introduced their slaves to Christianity, they ad libbed the prayer, ” thank you for enslaving me Massah and taking me away from my homeland”.

    Schizophrenic white guilt is what Glenn Beck and company would have you believe is driving the prosecution of George Zimmerman. What has been lost in this story since about the first week is that George Zimmerman was playing cop wannabe, over extended himself, for absolutely no reason, disobeyed the directive of the Police Department dispatcher, and decided he would try to be a hero. If George Zimmerman acts responsibly, Trayvon Martin is still alive and no one hears of George Zimmerman. George Zimmerman, when he decided to act like a hero and therefore his body is pumping adrenaline, does not act rationally or reasonably. And a kid is dead. At a minimum, George Zimmerman created the situation that led to Trayvon Martin’s death. There has to be a criminal consequence. If someones follows me down the street some night, guess what–I  quickly assess the situation and if need be verbally confront them to get them to back off.

     if you are speeding in your car and cause an accident that results in a fatality, you can be charged with vehicular homicide. If you are obeying the traffic laws and an accident occurs, no charges are filed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rigoberto.serrano.39 Pachy Serrano

    The most inciting and hateful people in politics are conservatives by far and that’s proven everyday, dude. I am not a favor of riots and violence, but history shows that whites from the South could be very violent as well, so your point don’t make any sense. Our President has stayed away from this trial since started and being sensitive to a black family don’t mean he wants Zimmerman in jail. The Court will decide that, not anybody, not even the President. On regards to Sharpton and Jackson, I never follow their political approaches to our social issues, but surely they have a lot of history to prove they advocated for their communities since 1960s and they have the right to do so. If they are wrong or not, if our job to call them out when they are misguided and when they are inciting.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rigoberto.serrano.39 Pachy Serrano

    Obamaphobia at 100%. Let the our President out of this. There is a trial going on and no one will decide Zimmerman’s future. Lets our justice system play their way

  • http://www.facebook.com/rigoberto.serrano.39 Pachy Serrano

    U don’t know for sure if Zimmerman acted in self-defense, because not you, not me, not anyone was there that night. The only person who has spoken about it is Zimmerman and obviously he is going to show his part of the story. There is always two sides to every story and unfortunately, the kid is dead and can’t defend himself, fool!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/rigoberto.serrano.39 Pachy Serrano

    Zimmerman belongs to hell. He killed a kid. Don’t kill says the Bible, the last time I read it. So far, Sharpton and Jackson have not killed anyone, unless you have any other updates??

  • http://www.facebook.com/rigoberto.serrano.39 Pachy Serrano

    Don’t forget that the 2nd also include others, like liberals and progressives, with guns as well

  • Anonymous

    Who said anything about a ‘church’? The reason for the 2nd Amendment is to protect us (the US citizens) from a tyrannical government. IF GUNS were so terrible to this administration why did Eric Holder allow them (LOTS of them) to be sent to Mexico? Fast and Furious mean anything to you? Regarding Bush and the weapons of mass destruction…how do you think Syria came by the ones they have? They were shipped and hidden there from Saddam Hussein DURING the war. Syria’s President is now using them on his own people. IF the war against Islamic terrorism (Iraqi Freedom and Afghanistan) was so terrible and non productive then why has OBAMA allowed it to continue? Why is Gitmo still open? This administration has done more to destroy this country and our economy in 5 years than all the rest of the presidents combined, (added 5 TRILLION to our debt) INCLUDING Jimmah Carter! You libs have backed and supported a Marxist liar and just can’t seem to admit YOU WERE WRONG! Denial is a wonderful thing when you aren’t in touch with reality. Hope you’re enjoying your cosmic journey while the rest of us suffer. You are a bunch of FREELOADERS. Gimme, Gimme, Gimme is your answer to everything.

  • Anonymous

    Talk mighty tough behind your keyboard in your mommy’s basement don’t you?  The language you use seems that you should be looking in the mirror, especially since you’re the coward.  Dunce!!!

  • Anonymous

    Amen!!!!!  Just don’t try common sense and truth with libtards.  It won’t work with them.  That’s not what they learn in the their bedtime stories.

  • Anonymous

    You got that right. They’re are referred to as ‘libTARDS’ for a reason. Most of them have had their ‘pilot lights’ blown out.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sherry-Jones/100005759914014 Sherry Jones

    Bottom line, he killed someone he should pay the price for what he did. He was the neighborhood WATCH, not capture, beat, kill. He should have called the cops and not followed this young man. Come on people, a young man is dead, whether he is white, black, purple, green, or any other color. He was a person, someone’s son, grandson, cousin. Hate is not the way but unfortunately we as a society have not learned that over the last 200 years or so. When will it end, when there is no one else to blame.

  • Anonymous

    Bottom line you and I were not there if I tried to take you on a magic carpet ride would you go freely or would you fear me due to what the idiot box told you watch out this man just might be carrying a penis .
    Point being you don’t know me and i’m perfectly fine knowing my penis is not a weapon nor would I ever do such a thing but me being a man and you a woman they have brain washed us all into believing that they all know what is best for us all.
    In fact i’m the kind of guy you would want to be right there to cut the guy’s throat if they did try and hurt you.
    You see Sherry we never get the whole picture anymore it’s all by design we dear are not racist our gov keep’s the fire burning it work’s to there advantage.
    God bless and keep an open mind your worth it
    If this was black on black or white on white or whatever same races do to each other it would not be an issue at all there baiting us all we are the ones who will pay for this .
    if your child shot me are you sure that they weren’t scared we are on a very slippery slope  Have as great day and my best to you and yours .

  • Anonymous

    I wish we lived in a country that really worked like that know matter if you and I could or couldn’t agree there is never justice when the law is made it’s just a illusion to make people believe that the law man really cares about us at all no disrespect intended please understand it is all about keeping the so-called civilized man in line but it don’t work never has never will people are just like people like that my sister was killed in IOWA 5 yrs ago the dude did 14month’s got out killed a man and his daughter 3 month’s later and is back out again oh and I forgot to mention he was drunk both times and had little money (nothing for the state you see).And my family was hit head on by a visitor from the south of Arizona they let him go but it destroyed our finances JUSTICE at it’s best
    THE GRAND ILLUSION we are living it. God be with ya.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t you have some illegal to protect you may not realize it scratchy but Mexicans like you are very racist take a look at yourself sometime hopefully you’ll see what we see.

  • Anonymous

    Thou shall not murder give it another read and go deeper than just the 10 commandments .
    Your doing it again !

  • Anonymous

    I am sorry for your personal losses; and I am aware of the miscarraiges of justice, blown convictions and lenient sentences. It is especially difficult for victim’s families– lost a brother in law to a random bar room shooting; over twenty five years later and the murderer has never been found even though the story was on America’s Most Wanted. Forgive and forget we may try, butl it still burns with all family members. God be with you as well.

  • Anonymous

    And illegals don’t forget to defend them like you always do !!

  • Anonymous

    Excellent point I failed to tell you of the 17 death threats to me and mine after the crash
    145 illegals removed from the company that hired them shot at 4 times and nobody ever arrested the way we stopped it we called the Sheriff and said we would no longer call them we would be contacting the coroner the next time, and it stopped we believe it was about the money lost and fines instilled by the state (THEY MADE LOTS) ???
    You are very right forgiveness is the best way i’m truly sorry for your lose also thank you for the response  Matthew 6:24 we have got to get there :) God bless

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    U
    don’t know for sure if Zimmerman acted in self-defense, because not
    you, not me, not anyone was there that night. The only person who has
    spoken about it is Zimmerman and obviously he is going to show his part
    of the story. There is always two sides to every story and
    unfortunately, the kid is dead and can’t defend himself, fool!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/rigoberto.serrano.39 Pachy Serrano

    Stupid, check before you talk. First, I am not Mexican, but I have good and decent mexican friends. I am Puertorican, US citizen, fully employed, and a tax payer, just like you. That’s why conservatives never learn anything . . . they just assume things and put people in the same box . . . Educate yourself and you might learn something, dude!

  • http://www.facebook.com/rigoberto.serrano.39 Pachy Serrano

    Lets meet and see who knows more about the Holy Book. Again, you are another uneducated conservative that is far from being a good Christian, cause if you hate illegals and support Zimmerman’s actions you could end up in hell with him . . . Check it out!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/rigoberto.serrano.39 Pachy Serrano

    At least, am defending those who can’t defend themselves . . . what about you? U need to go back to church and pray for your sins, buddy!

  • http://www.facebook.com/rigoberto.serrano.39 Pachy Serrano

    Being a law abiding citizens don’t mean you good or bad in your heart or mind; being a law abiding citizen don’t give you the right to shoot and kill other people . . . what kind of country you think you live in??

  • Anonymous

    PUTO I’ve read much of your Nazi blogs you and I both know your educated in race only try again Latin Mexican same liar’s .

  • http://www.facebook.com/rigoberto.serrano.39 Pachy Serrano

    You wrong Tatiana, check history again . . . many many people came to this country illegally even during the 1800s and 1900s, so this is nothing new. Slavery has been a human issues since men walked throu this Earth, but still is and was inmoral and wrong. Next?

  • http://www.facebook.com/rigoberto.serrano.39 Pachy Serrano

    Am with you! Zimmerman is a punk cop wannabe that pulled the trigger when the kid stood up to him with no guns or weapons. If this punk is not punished someway, this will give many gun owners all over this country the right to shoot anybody who they think or assume is a trouble-maker

  • Anonymous

    Hell to me is what people like you scratchy have done and takin’ for free  give it a rest you have no clue DUDE put it back in your pants  Viva la puto

  • http://www.facebook.com/rigoberto.serrano.39 Pachy Serrano

    Like many tea baggers I would say . . . conservative agitators of the Right!

  • Anonymous

    The God that I pray to needs not a church now we know why you are so inclined to be so out for your people don’t we always suffering aren’t you poor Latinas poor poor Latinas take take take and you think you have an idea of freedom look at you
    YDOULIE never mind I got that one figured out too educated one.
    I’d bet you would be surprised to know I would defend you DUDE and by what you write I can’t even stand you  think about that racist DUDE

  • http://www.facebook.com/rigoberto.serrano.39 Pachy Serrano

    Yep, I am the same PUTO that screw with your girlfriend when she got tired of you lazy ass and spare my blood in battle for the US Constitution, what you have done for this nation, punk?

  • http://www.facebook.com/rigoberto.serrano.39 Pachy Serrano

    We still gonna put the GOP and the conservatives back where they belong . . . You and your fellow tea baggers wont stop immigration reform, you are a minority of crazy, uneducated, KKK nut-crakers. Mama bicho!!

  • Anonymous

    How do you say DYKE in poor poor Latina puto language  have you ever heard of Northrop and the B-2 maybe but it is nothing like that Burro you ride DUDE PUNK

  • Anonymous

    Yes pito  keep on grabbing and soon or later you’ll find that you are just a poor poor Latina of grande’ pinocha’ you so very smart is that your pic chick dude
    see ya at the battle

  • Anonymous

    Let the our President out of this ;
    Let’s our justice system play there way;
    Clearly very well educated keep up the good work I’m sure our President is trilled with your support puto
    GET A CLUE when you try to B.S. side splitting laughter all around you .
    Back to School smarty !

  • Tatiana

    Look at this video
    http://sanfranciscopolice.org/index.aspx?recordid=718&page=3763
    21 day ago young beautiful white woman was brutally beaten by boot in the face during the robbery in San Francisco. Black kid, looks exactly like Trayvon Martin. Almost the same age. Even, if this woman, knocked unconscious, was super liberal, she will all her life be afraid of blacks and will teach her children to fear. . 

    Russian immigrants as all
    other immigrants started their American lives near black
    districts and it turned them, who never saw black people before and did
    not have any prejudices, into vicious racists.  Almost in every family in San Francisco elderly
    people had been attacked (including my 80 year old mother), robbed of miserable
    $5-20, and some murdered. All by young black criminals. The horrible
    story happened to one old Russian guy, whose pocket two 15 year old black
    girls cut by razor and giggled, when he was bleeding, dying on the
    sidewalk.
    In San Francisco
    today Vietnamese and Korean communities are the same size as the black
    one. I do not see any fear of Vietnamese or Koreans in anyone. Blacks are
    feared by everyone. Even by themselves. The only place, where all windows have
    bars and balconies have sharp grills, is Afro-American district.
    Oakland, CA,
    with mostly black population, has highest amount of 911 calls in the nation. 132 homicides in 2012, 51 homicide in 2013 all by black criminals. Look at this video again. It is you, who supposed to be in the place of this woman, may be this black kid’s boot will put your brain in the right direction.

     http://sanfranciscopolice.org/index.aspx?recordid=718&page=3763

  • Anonymous

    The LAW allows a person to protect and defend themselves. And that  means being able to carry a weapon and use it IF and WHEN necessary. To have some hooded person (Martin) slinking around corners then attacking, knocking him to the ground, straddling an innocent person (Zimmerman) all the while beating him senseless (breaking his nose and bloodying his head in the process) …I think that qualifies as self defense in Zimmermans’ case.
    If YOU want to walk around with a sign around your neck and be a victim to the Trayvon Martins out there, that is YOUR choice. It ain’t happening in my case. I would have reacted the same way. And YES I do have a right to defend myself, just like Zimmerman did. I live in the USA where the 2nd Amendment is (or should be) honored and defended. What country or state of mind do YOU live in? QUESTION? IF Trayvon’s parents were SO concerned about him, why was he wandering the streets at night in a gated community where homeowners had been ROBBED multiple times. He didn’t live there! He had NO business there. Where were his parents? Why wasn’t Trayvon being properly supervised? If Trayvon had been one of my kids I’ll guarantee I would have known EXACTLY where he was and what he was up to. He’d had his fuzzy butt at home, in bed or doing something constructive not casing the neighborhood, drinking, and smoking pot. ALL things Trayvon was involved in.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Darryn-James/100002360164943 Darryn James

    we will get you the old Irish way.   ;)

    and its spelled “wait”.

  • Anonymous

    ergo-Trayvon Martin got what he deserved because blacks are bad elsewhere?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Darryn-James/100002360164943 Darryn James

    if that dude was a “kid” then andre the giant was a little tall.

  • Anonymous

    and after the police tell you to stand down, do you ignore them, leave your vehicle with a loaded gun and seek out the person who you have determined, based on a hooded sweatshirt worn pretty much universally by teenagers of every ethnic group in the US, is a criminal? Remember Zimmerman was in no danger–he was in his car when he made the determination that Martin was up to no good. If Zimmerman stays in his car; calls 911 again if he is tracking at a distance and allows the police to do their job (which I can tell you as a former block captain in a city neighborhood watch group is what you are supposed to do), Trayvon Martin is still alive.

    My understanding is that Trayvon Martin was walking back from a convenience store; the adult with whom he was watching the game was aware of his destination. THC in his blood stream proves he smoked pot–I guess that justifies his death.

    I will be sure that my two teenaged sons who are active in our Church youth group, have part time jobs and work on Habitat for Humanity projects but  have black eyes and a lot more melatonin in the skin cells than you (based on your screen name) and love to wear their Under Armour, Nike and high school team sweatshirts (oh my gosh-school colors are black and blue) hoods up– especially in February, stay out of your neighborhood on their way back home from down town.

  • Anonymous

    ps: lived in an integrated neighborhood in philly for years; did the neighborhood watch program for years; struggled through the crack epidemic at its peak and saw what it did to many neighborhoods in the city; dealt with theft, disrespect of property rights, shot out mailboxes from territorial disputes; got to know our precinct captain on a first name basis; friendly with the various ethnic groups that inhabited the neighborhood. It was hard but the neighborhood worked together to maintain its identity. With time, you learn who is up to no good versus who is walking home. None of our neighborhood watch members pursued a potential criminal on foot; but quite a few 911 calls were made-some were successful. And no teenagers were shot dead. 

  • Anonymous

    None of the other matters. The facts were Zimmerman was on his back on the ground with Martin ON TOP OF  HIM beating him senseless. Zimmerman has/had the right to defend himself. END OF STORY! Oh…and IF you are waiting for the police to show up to bail you out of a similar situation….Good Luck. Zimmerman would have been DEAD and we wouldn’t be having this conversation because Trayvon would have walked. There wouldn’t be so much as a whistle about what transpired. The POTUS his DOJ nitwit, and the lib media would have seen to that. It would have ALL be swept under the rug. Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the CLOWN Sheila Jackson would have been busy with some other drama. Oh….BTW…why don’t you try wearing a dark hooded sweatshirt into a bank to make a withdrawal. Have you tried that one lately? Color of hoodie, gender, dark melatonin, dark eyes, hair, makes so difference. Why don’t you send one of your teenage sons in the bank dressed like Martin and see what happens. The color of my skin, eyes etc. have nothing to do with this case. My questions to the parents, “IF you were so concerned about your son Trayvon, how come you he was running amok, smoking pot, getting kicked out of school etc, etc.? WHERE were you as parents?”

  • Anonymous

    Is it possible to have a “Hung Jury” if it is all female?

    Isn’t it a felony to discharge a firearm in city limits?

    Isn’t it illegal to improperly dispose of human blood?  Hazmat right?

    Littering of 9mm shell casings is a “no brainer”

    Hate Crime? I dunno does GZ hate all of this?

    Inciting a riot?  Isn’t that a crime? The DA could always come back with more charges after he is acquitted.

    Unsafe storage of a firearm…Didn’t GZ say TM tried to take his firearm?  Given that TM was a “child” Shouldn’t it have had child proof trigger lock?

    Geez,  How can something like this happen in America today?  (sarc)

    “rabid listener”

  • Anonymous

    for the record, my opinion is the pre-charging facts as I can glean ( without watching the trial) would have supported manslaughter. So I disagree with you on nothing else matters.The wisdom of the prosectutors stretching for 2nd degree will be debated forever.

    Yes, Zimmerman has a right to defend himself; and in Florida, if the defense adequately demonstrated that he was in fear for his life, he gets to use lethal force. But again, Zimmerman is not on his back if he stands down. Zimmerman accepted the risk of confrontation the minute he stepped out of his car. Your problem is you have convicted Trayvon Martin in your statements as a criminal–I may have missed it, but there is no evidence that he committed a crime prior to the confrontation with Zimmerman. If Martin pummeled him during a fight–that is the risk that Zimmerman took when he left the car, after following Martin for a while. Whether or not Zimmerman left the car to “get the address” (wait he lived in that neighborhood right? didn’t he know the street and block number? Wait-he is town watch leader -aren’t you supposed to know that information?) or to find Martin, he was following the kid. Hmmn, I remember living in the city and in my youthful bravado and misjudgment,confronting guys who I thought were following me. When you threaten someone; don’t be surprised when they act as an agressor back at you. What did Zimmerman expect or hope would happen?

     If Martin survived, you think he would not have been charged with assault? Wow, you must be living in a different part of the country than I. black kids get arrested and pre-judged all the time in the East Coast cities. 

  • Anonymous

    “YES” Zimmerman has the right to defend himself. Did he? YES. That is WHAT this case is about. Nothing more, nothing less. I say again….Was Zimmerman in the act of protecting himself from deadly harm, YES!
    Regarding all the other “black kids get arrested and pre-judged all the time in the East Coast cities”. NOT my problem and it’s NOT the issue here. All that whinny, poor black kids stuff has nothing to do with Zimmerman’s case. That is the whole problem here. The libs, the blacks, the POTUS, Eric Holder, lib media, Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Sheila Jackson, etc, etc, have all made this about RACE. It was about Zimmerman being brutally assaulted by Martin. He defended himself because he was about to/or he BELIEVED without a shadow of a doubt he was going to die! No sidetracks, just the pure facts and Florida law allows Zimmerman to defend and protect himself in this type of case.

     Why is it white folks’ fault if some people are black? I say to all YOU who are black, grow up, stop the pity party stuff and take advantage of the opportunity that has been afforded to you BECAUSE you are black. Tired of hearing your whining and complaining. Get busy, go to work and MAKE something of yourself. There are no more excuses.

  • Anonymous

    I hope that writing is a productive outlet for your anger. You misunderstood my point about the arrest of black kids-if your are found to be involved in an assault, you get arrested, period. You suggested the opposite, i.e. that Martin would walk if he had killed Zimmerman. Not in the Northeast.

    Zimmerman was charged (erroneously I believe) with 2d degree; therefore the case is about the standard of proof for that charge; self defense can nullify both 2d degree and the lesser, non-charged (but may be asked for by prosecutors at closing) manslaughter; if the defense demonstrated it, then he is off. For you to absolve Zimmerman of any responsibility here is disingenuous–he created the confrontation-he never would have been beaten if he had done the right thing. Because he did the wrong thing- a teenager is dead and CNN et al have this circus boosting their ratings. And in my book, that is manslaughter–that is why I started with the analogue to speeding causing an accident which causes a fatality.

    Race unfortunately is an element in this case–it has informed your opinion of Trayvon Martin and it informed GEorge Zimmerman’s opinion when he decided Trayvon Martin was up to no good. Got no time for Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton and commentators who seek to incite ( Beck and cronies included–if you dont’ think Stu’s posting s does not fire up the white folks, you are delusional).

    Good luck with your anger.

  • Anonymous

    Anger here?  Nah…Anger is a ridiculous waste of time. Concerned only with the facts. Your analogy of ‘speeding caused the accident’ doesn’t hold water. Speeding is BREAKING the law. Zimmerman didn’t BREAK any laws. That’s the difference.

    Race has nothing to do with my view of this case. You’re the one that keeps bringing up race, just re-read your posts and MINE while you’re at it. Zimmerman was on his back, on the ground being literally beaten senseless by Martin. In fact Zimmerman testified over and over he was losing consciousness and FEARED for his life. It was at that time that he protected himself. He broke NO laws prior to and during the ‘fight for his life’.

    Again I return to the fact IF Martin’s parents were so concerned for his welfare why was he unsupervised? If it had been my son and he had been ‘kicked out of school’  for pot etc. there is NO way he’s walking the streets at night anywhere. He would have been under mine and my husband’s supervision AT home until he got his life back on track! There would have been serious consequences for his actions. All privileges would have been suspended INCLUDING use of the internet, cell phone, TV, etc. Did you see what this brat posted on  FACEBOOK? He was OUT of control and I lay the fault at the feet of his parents for not being involved and taking care of their responsibilities as parents.

  • Anonymous

    100% correct. I doubt that any of these ladies would have chased down
    someone they are now claiming to be afraid of after the police
    dispatcher has already told them not to follow. This murder was 100%
    avoidable. Zimmerman chose to confront an innocent man. He should be
    in a cage for the rest of his meaningless life

  • Anonymous

    It’s about HATE and  it’s about self-defense. Who was the HATEFUL one sitting on top beating Zimmerman senseless? Trayvon Martin. Why was that necessary? Self-defense on the part of Trayvon? I think NOT. All you have to do is read his posts on Facebook to answer that. He was an out of control, unsupervised BRAT with a foul mouth on the prowl for drugs, women and whatever else he could find. There again, all you have to do is read his Facebook posts to understand that.

     Zimmerman is also a person, someone’s son, grandson, husband, father, cousin, etc. IF he hadn’t have defended himself we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Zimmerman would be dead and Trayvon would have walked. You can BET on that.

  • Tatiana

    It takes just one blow in your face, even without beating over cement, to change your attitude completely. This innocent son of our affirmative action president was Miami resident, suspended from school for drugs and violence.
    Justice Department employee informed GZ defense through his lawyer that info about Martin’s drug dealing and gun from his cell phone was hidden by DOJ to build  show trial – morality play a la Tawana Browly, Duke Lacrosse case. Employee was fired.
    Not integrated, but totally black communities are war zones with babies in the carriages and during diaper change shot dead, with 95 years old (Oakland, CA) murdered for $5. Homicides every day.
    Human mind works simple: after ten people are beaten by crocodile, the eleventh person is afraid. It is not racial profiling – it is called common knowledge and survival instinct. .  
    Tragedy for working and law abiding blacks,

  • Tatiana

    When slaves become masters it is tragedy for everyone, even finally for slaves themselves. When you have affirmative action President, cheating and lying Eric Holder on each position of government, distribution of diplomatic posts to personal friends, the country become 3-rd world country as Tanzania, from where slaves were brought here. Laziness, disregard for law – all definitions of slave is our president, and country rots from its head.

  • Anonymous

     
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