Kirk Cameron seeks to answer an age-old question: Why do bad things happen to good people?

On radio this morning, Glenn spoke to actor Kirk Cameron about his new documentary Unstoppable. Kirk’s first film, Monumental, explored America’s founding principles, and his latest endeavor tackles a more theological theme that revolves around one of the most frequently asked questions: Why does God let bad things happen to good people?

Unstoppable is set to show in partnership with Liberty University at theaters across America for one night only on Tuesday, September 24 (information and tickets can be found here).

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Read a rough transcript of the interview below:

GLENN: I am proud to call as a friend Kirk Cameron who is just a great, great guy. We worked with him on his movie Monumental, and we urge you to go see that. And if you haven’t seen it yet, go rent it. Go buy it. Monumental, it’s phenomenal. He’s got a new movie out coming September 24th called Unstoppable, and it’s based on the idea of, how can there be a God? How can he possibly let all these things happen? And where is your faith? Kirk Cameron, welcome to the program. How are you, Kirk?

KIRK CAMERON: Good morning. I’m doing great, Glenn. Nice to be talking with you.

GLENN: So tell me what tell me the motivation behind the movie that you’ve made.

KIRK CAMERON: Boy, you’ve still got me thinking about all these things you were just talking about before, before we started talking. I’ve got to switch gears here. The reason that I made Unstoppable was because this is this is something that’s been gnawing at me lately because one of my very good friends, a 15 year old boy, Matthew Sangren, just passed away and died of cancer. In fact, last night I was in the emergency room with my grandfather who’s just had a couple of heart attacks, and we’re praying and we’re singing and other families are weeping and wailing because of tragedy in their life, and this has just hit so close to home for me recently that I wanted to get to the bottom of this, of this faith wrecking question: Where is God in the midst of tragedy and suffering. And I’m trying to approach the subject without just an intellectual apologetic treatise connecting the dots between a loving god and the real existence of evil and tragedy but offering a holistic, emotional and spiritual answer that is nourishing to people’s faith and helps them come out the other side of trials with their faith stronger rather than shredded and destroyed.

GLENN: I will tell you, Kirk, I am really concerned because I think we have such a lack of understanding, as a society and whole, a lack of understanding of who God is and how He works and how tragedy fits into that and everything else and, you know, just exactly what you’re addressing. And I really, truly believe that with the dark days that could be on our horizon that they will be dark days because too many people will say, “Well, there can’t be a God, and He’s just…” and there will be others that say, “Well, He’s angry at us” and everything else. No. No. God is there to comfort and to guide. And as we go astray, we will have the punishments ourselves because we are our walking on the wrong path will be our own punishment. He is always is there and He’s always loving. And too many people I just saw it in our own circle of friends. Somebody passed away and they were inconsolable. The family was inconsolable. And Tania and I walked away and we said, you know, they claim they’re Christians, but they don’t really even understand the real† they will say, “Well, we’re going to see him again,” but they don’t believe it. And that’s the difference. If you really believe it, if you really apply it, tragedy can become something that is uplifting in a strange sort of way.

KIRK CAMERON: Well, I think that so much of what you’re saying resonates in all of us. We understand that God has a plan for things and- but often we’re just wrestling and struggling to understand what that plan is. And my approach in dealing with this question is I’m thinking, wait a minute. If maybe maybe I’m so close to my pain that I can’t see past it. But if I could climb up into heaven’s balcony and if I could have heaven’s perspective on tragedy and pain, not just in my lifetime but throughout all of history, and I try to take you as a viewer back to the Garden of Eden where we have the very beginnings, the genesis of pain and suffering, and show you the murder of one brother by his other brother and go into the flood of the entire world and then through the nation of Israel, the crucifixion of the savior and the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem, you see that the author of the story has allowed tragedy from the beginning and somehow he’s been steering all of it to work together for good for those who love Him and produce in you the very apex of the heart toward others when they go through trials.

GLENN: Kirk, I’m going to send you a link to a Man in the Moon because you’re describing much of what we just did in a completely different format this summer and you need to see it and watch it with your kids because you’ll love it. Your movie comes out on September 24th, Unstoppable. It is a one night event. It’s a Fathom event. Go to Unstoppablethemovie.com. See this incredible trailer at Unstoppablethemovie.com. Facebook and YouTube originally blocked the links to this originally, didn’t they?

KIRK CAMERON: Yes, they did. And we don’t know if that was something that happened internally or simply a result of the safety mechanism that you can press on any video: Hey, click this if you want to report it as spam or unsafe. And if enough people click that, well, they could shut it down. So we had a few million people let Facebook know that they wanted to see it and they put it back up. So we’re thankful for that.

GLENN: What a Christian way to answer that question.

STU: (Laughing.)

KIRK CAMERON: You know, it’s the Kirk Cameron versus Facebook headlines that I’m standing in line to see.

GLENN: Kirk, it’s always good to talk to you and it’s always good to see you, and I hope we see you here in a couple of weeks when this is out and we’d love to do something again and try to encourage our audience to see your work because it is it’s truly inspiring and it’s good to see a good man of faith stand up and speak the truth as much as you do. Thank you very much.

KIRK CAMERON: Well, thank you. It’s a pleasure to be talking with you guys and please keep up the good work.

GLENN: You got it. Kirk Cameron, Unstoppablethemovie.com.

  • Draxx

    Kirk Cameron has made a few Faith Based Movies that me and my family have enjoyed…  Thanks Kirk, keep up the Good Works You Are Doing!

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Bad things happen to good people for these reasons:

    To prove by deed and word their faith in God unto the world.
    To be tested and to grow in character by tribulation.
    To show that, even in the worse of times, God is there with His people.

  • Anonymous

    Sweetheart which god are you talking about?  How did you pick your god?  What happens if you pick the wrong god?

  • Anonymous

    Kirk Cameron is an admitted creationist.  Anyone who thinks the world is less then 10,000 years old, needs a check-up, from the neck-up.  Don’t let this guy near your kids, he is a child abuser!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Kirk is a creationist, that qualifies him as an asshole.  Any questions?

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Once again the leftist insanity shows its head and is confirmed to be worthless due to the vacuum between your ears.

    What happened to the threats and attempted blackmail from today:

    A new comment was posted on Glenn BeckvacmancanSweetheart, want to make a deal?   I know how to make those videos disappear, if you catch my drift.   How much are those videos worth to you?  BATTA-BING!!3:45 p.m., Wednesday Aug. 21

  • Anonymous

    You are a progressive, that qualifies you as  a sheep. BAAAH!!!

  • Anonymous

    Now he’s a child abuser, Anyone who is a Progressive is (insert vulgar noun here) and have been responsible for more death than all the wars in human history. 100-150 million for the socialist agenda, and millions due to abortion every year for the last 30 years. Don’t let them near your children, or your unborn.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    No, it makes vacmancan a certified insane sheep of the left, one who makes threats across the board.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    More lies, with additional lies. You claim he is a child abuser and have no evidence, so shut up and go back to sucking your thumb until the nice men with the straight jacket show up to take you back to your padded room.

  • Jesustheonlyway

    No – vacmancan is a goat.

    Matthew 25:32-33: And before him [God] shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

  • Anonymous

    Vacmancan

    The most important decision you can ever make is to accept Jesus Christ as your
    Lord and Savior. When you invite Him into your heart, you are born again. By
    acknowledging that He died on the cross for your sins, you receive forgiveness
    for your sins, freedom from guilt, and a fresh start. By His grace – not your
    own works – you are saved from eternal punishment and receive the assurance of
    going to heaven when your life on earth in finished.

    http://my.cbn.com/pg/file/e7cfcea1-ec22-4fec-b5b7-5e6cab25bfe5/read/356183/a-new-day/

  • Stephan Bruno

    KIrk Cameron love cock. 

  • Mike Nelson

    Once there was a boy who wanted a horse very badly.  When he was 14, he got his horse, and everyone in his village said, “Oh, that’s wonderful!”

    The village wise man said, “We’ll see…”

    Then, after two years of riding and bonding with the horse, it startled one day, and threw the boy, causing the boy’s leg to be broken, and all the villagers said, “Oh, how terrible!”

    The village wise man said, “We’ll see…”

    Then, three weeks later, a band of partisan fighters came through the town and conscripted all of the fighting-age men and boys, but they didn’t have time for a cripple…

    (abbreviated from a story told in the movie Charlie Wilson’s War)

    “Bad things happening to good people” is a canard, and a form of mental masturbation that does not change anything, help your circumstance, or bring any form of satisfaction or accomplishment.

    IMO, even having this discussion is immature, but pandering it to youth… that is just another way of ensuring that the entitlement mentality remains alive and well.

  • Anonymous

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    Now
    he’s a child abuser, Anyone who is a Progressive is (insert vulgar noun
    here) and have been responsible for more death than all the wars in
    human history. 100-150 million for the socialist agenda, and millions
    due to abortion every year for the last 30 years. Don’t let them near
    your children, or your unborn.

  • Anonymous

    I feel that Satan has asked for certain people from God to see if they are worthy of God’s love, and to see if they are faithful to God.

  • Anonymous

    No, no, no he is a goat and will be separated come judgement time.  He will not be with us we will be the sheep and the others will be goats.

  • Anonymous

    You need to sit back and really think about what you are writing.  You have no idea who he is, do you personally know him?  If you don’t then you should not be saying such ugly things about him.  He works for my God, what do you do but make smart remarks.  If you excepted Christ in your life, it might change and you would not have such a bad outlook on life and especially yours.

  • http://AskHuldah.blogspot.com/ Maidservant Huldah

     Thank you Hooeycrusher!

    Jesus said in John 3:3 “… unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

    Revelation 21:8 says:  “But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

    The Truth needs to be told.

  • Anonymous

    God’s ultimate plan for us is the marriage supper of the Lamb. The suffering and pain is working towards the good of creating His Bride. All tests are to produce a unblemished, spotless bride for Christ. As His deciples said many times in the gospels, they found joy in being found wothy to suffer for Christ! It takes the hottest fire to roduce the purest gold.

  • Anonymous

    And this bullshit comment makes an idiot. No question.

  • Anonymous

    You’re an idiot. Maybe you should worship Allah (Satan) & see what he does to you

  • chip griffin

       as a society and whole, a lack of understanding of who God is and how He works and how tragedy fits into that. now is that ever an understatement.   first of all, GOD is way more than love. he is a complete person, if you will.
    let start with we are going to a place where this is. no sin. no death, no sick, no old, and most of all no money. just how does one become wise? how does one teach his own child? through correction! one should become wise through a series of mistakes, as wisdom grows so does the possibility of making wrong decisions. the test becomes harder and the actions affect more people. let’s put it this way, GOD holds us to the same standard he holds himself or he held his son. the bar is so low this day and age, one does not even need to reach for the bar, he can step across it. heck he could be dragged across it. this is where 95% of your so call hardships come from. your own stupid mistakes, and GOD’s reply to such error.
       answer this question. the bible says, if you’re of the world, you’re not of me, that the truth is not in you. WHAT IS THE WORLD, folks? could it be good ole capitalism? well it’s a perfect place to start. yes capitalism is of the world, yet we must use money to live. it is still the root of the world. so without answering that question, you’re doomed, huh. let’s try another question. how is one born again?
       also GOD says to love him with all your heart, mind, and soul. how does one love someone he has never met?
    last question, how does one figure out just who he serves? one can not serve two masters. who is your GOD, and how can you prove it’s the most high? 
       YOU FIND THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS and you’re well on your way to standing on the truth and knowing it. i know the answers to these questions. if one will ask, i will tell you.    let me hear your answers. let us check each other. most are doomed because the road is narrow and few find it. have you found it?

  • Anonymous

    We don’t know what is going on in those people’s lives. Even a “good” person can make bad decisions that open up the door for the adversary (satan, the devil; he doesn’t get capitalization). Only God knows all, so only He knows why each situation happens. The same reason why He constantly points us back to doing things out of our own freewill, rather than by compulsion, because only God knows whether each individual even can (remember that whole Thou shalt not covet issue?).

  • Anonymous

     The shear irony that carbon and argon-based dating systems are admittedly inaccurate by exponential amounts (i.e. the “older” something is, the more inaccurate their estimates will be), and that those are “estimates” (which mean guesses), yet you place so much faith in those estimates to the world’s age because your priesthood calls themselves scientists.

  • Anonymous

    Sweetheart, what does your god do for you?  Please be specific.  You think I’m an idiot because I don’t believe in something that doesn’t exist, right?  But if I believe in something for which there is no proof, then I’m normal, right?  What’s wrong with your thinking?

  • Anonymous

    Sweetheart your main goal in life is to go to heaven, right?  Aborting babies is a shortcut to heaven,  What’s the problem?  According to you the kids are much happier!  So what’s the problem?

  • Anonymous

    Sweetheart, Progressives have one thing over, creationists.  FACTS!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Sweetheart, judgement time?  You “simple-folk” are so cute.  Thank you for the entertainment.  Watch myshow for some real entertainment!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C_NzZWFaxQ

  • Anonymous

    Sweetheart read the whole bible, not just selected bullshit.  Read numbers 15-32 and then burn that piece of crap.  The bible was written by guys who didn’t know where they sun went at night.  And you take your inspiration from this?  That’s sad, isn’t it?

  • Anonymous

    Sweetheart I’m willing to bet you’re an atheist?  Wanna play?

  • Anonymous

    Sweetheart, how did you pick your god?  Dartboard?

  • Anonymous

    Sweetheart, how did you pick your god?  And how can you prove he is the real god?  Be specific, thank you.

  • Anonymous

    Sweetheart,  I accepted jesus along time ago.  Then I read the bible.  When I read how Jesus told us how to treat our slaves, I decided that jesus was an asshole!  How do you treat your slaves?

  • Anonymous

    Sweetheart, The science is settled!  Radio metrics tells us the accurate age of the world. You “simple-folk” are so cute.  You’ll believe anything, even when it’s been proven wrong!  Why is that?  Why do you have to embarrass yourself, for gods sake?  If there was a god you’d be the entertainment. Thank you.

  • Anonymous

    Sweetheart, eternal punishment?  How do you come up with this crap?  Can you prove there is a hell?  Of course not.  When you believe in things that don’t exist, doesn’t that make you delusional? 

  • Anonymous

    Sweetheart your right, the truth needs to be told.  Go to numbers 15-32.  Let’s get the truth out!

  • Anonymous

    thanks you took the words out of our mouths. kirk spreads the Good- God News! The Left Progressives are Angry UNhappy Sheeple that follow blindly to words and platitudes of their leader Satan. Lucifer is who they follow from their bible RulesForRadicals dedicated To Lucifer

  • http://AskHuldah.blogspot.com/ Maidservant Huldah

    John 20:29  Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.” 

  • Anonymous

    Sweetheart, if you have any proof for hell, I’ll be happy to believe.  Post your proof or piss off okay?

  • http://AskHuldah.blogspot.com/ Maidservant Huldah

     You and your belligerence are that proof.

  • Anonymous

    Anybody else have a problem with the wet steaming dumps that Beck and Cameron push out and ask people to pay for? Man in the moon was horseshit. Cameron’s movies are incompetent. Yet these guys get on the radio and jerk each other off like they are Martin Scorsese and David Lean

  • Anonymous

    They can’t even accurately measure an object that as less than a hundred years old, why should we trust their measurements for something older? I love it when you people use the phrase, the “science is settled”, about any issue you don’t want to have an open debate about. Yah, and global warming was “settled science” too. What’s this I hear about an AGW “pause”? Your trust in those numbers are based on faith in your priests.
    BTW, look up global flood. There is more evidence for that than “old” earth.

  • Anonymous

    Spoken like a true godless heathen, who would rather they themselves be worshipped, then seek the Creator of the universe.

  • ScienceWorks

    We have two religious propaganda artists here with Beck and Kirk C. There’s no evidence to support the existence of this supernatural realm ancient ignorant men cooked up, so puzzling over why some deity stands idly by with its arms folded while bad things happen every day is really a great waste of time. How about eliminating all religion and a great deal of war, killing and hatred in the process?

  • ScienceWorks

    You could swim in an ocean of truth and still crawl out on shore bone dry. There’s no such thing as deities. Religions are man made and they’re all bad.

  • ScienceWorks

    False.

  • ScienceWorks

    Oh yes June. It’s all a big test by “GOD” to see who is good or evil. OOPS! But wait a tick. Your god knows all, so why bother with these silly tests? H O G W A S H – that’s what this all is and you gullible people are making the world suck for the rest of us with your delusional thinking.

  • ScienceWorks

    Hooeycrucher has been indoctrinated as a youth. Brainwashing and refusing to think are ugly things.

  • ScienceWorks

    The fact that religions exist only in the imagination of people is self evident. 

  • ScienceWorks

    There is no debate. You fools can insist on all the nonsense you want while the rest of us know the truth and move ahead in life. But one thing is certain, you creationists and young earthers deserve all the scorn and ridicule you get. And more.

    Supernaturalists need to join reality. Science works, religious scripture is not a source for science.

  • ScienceWorks

    Jesus is as mythical as all the other hogwash in the bible. Religion should be outlawed.

  • ScienceWorks

    You’re the one who does crayon drawings of cats. How nutty is that?

  • ScienceWorks

    That’s a load of nonsense. Grow up and face reality. It sure beats the nonsense of religion. Try thinking for yourself. You’re another weak-minded person who has been brainwashed into believing things that have no basis in fact and no evidence to support them.

  • ScienceWorks

    Snowleopard, you claim to be a minister but you sound like a hot-headed thug wannabe.

  • ScienceWorks

    “Judgement time” LOL. Hilarious. 

  • ScienceWorks

    Spoken like a delusional supernaturalist who swallows everything they’re told about a supernatural realm filled with spirits, demons, ghosts, devils, angels and one deity that created all of it. You don’t have any evidence to support your “belief” so you are essentially just pretending it’s all real, and you’re doing it for personal gain – some great prize they’ve promised you when you die. How ridiculous. 

  • Guest

    Sweetheart, please prove that there’s no God.  I’ve been waiting for you to do this for quite a long time. Be specific Sweetheart, see how it works?

  • Guest

    Please present your evidence to support your non belief. Be specific.

  • Guest

    Again, please present your proof that there’s no God and be specific.

  • Guest

    Again, present your proof that there is no God and be specific.

  • Guest

    Sweetheart, I’m still waiting for your proof that God doesn’t exist.  See how it works Honey?

  • Guest

    I’m still waiting Sweetheart.  

  • Guest

    Again, present your proof Honey, see how it works?

  • Guest

    So now you believe in God, quoting the bible.

  • Guest

    You don’t have the power to tell anyone to “piss off” here Sweetheart. I’m still waiting for your proof that God doesn’t exist.  See how it works honey?

  • Guest

    @June1969:disqus Please present your proof.  I don’t see any in your Atheistic rants. ScienceWorks

  • Guest

    Sweetheart, if the science is settled then present your proof that God doesn’t exist. Lets see it sweetheart.  Post it right here honey. See how it works.

  • Guest

    Please present your proof Sweetheart. So far nothing but Atheistic rants from you.  Give people the proof Sweetheart.

  • Guest

    What a load of BS from you Sweetheart.  I’m still waiting for your proof that there is no God.  Lets have it.  See how it works honey? Put up or shut up.

  • Guest

    So far you haven’t presented any proof for your ignorant rants.  Lets see your proof Sweetheart.

  • Guest

    You’re the one who spews his nonsense on the internet but can’t present any proof to your BS.  Post some verifiable proof to your idiotic nonsense Honey.

  • Guest

    Present your evidence or shut up.  See how it works Honey?

  • Guest

    Prove that there is no God and be specific. See how it works Sweetheart? I’ll wait.

  • Guest

    Sick BS Sweetheart, but it’s typical from a blowhard.

  • Guest

    You sound like a moronic Atheist who can’t present any specific proof to your ignorant rants. Present some proof and be specific Sweetheart.

  • Anonymous

    Sweetheart, you know as well as I do that you can’t prove a negative. Is that specific enough honey? Any other questions?  BATTA-BING!! You need to watch my show.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C_NzZWFaxQ

  • ScienceWorks

    You’re the one making the assertions that there’s a supernatural realm. Where’s the evidence?

    And the earth is older than 6000 years too. Read up goober:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23769911

    The York scientist said it was likely that prehistoric chefs would have crushed the seeds: “Actually to get the flavour out you have to crush it really. I suspect that if they hadn’t been crushing the seeds, we would probably find more intact seeds in residues.”Although this is the first evidence of spice use in Europe, flavouring food may have been a common practice in the Middle East much earlier. “There’s a cave in Israel where coriander has been found, and that’s dated to around 23,000 years ago. But it’s very difficult to build up a picture of exactly how it’s used. It’s linking it to cooking that’s quite important,” explained Dr Saul.

  • Anonymous

    Sweetheart, I’m willing to bet you’re an atheist?  Wanna play?

  • Guest

    Right after you prove there’s no God.

  • Anonymous

    Sweetheart if your mother would have aborted you, you’d be in heaven right now.  If you want to go to heaven, blow your head off.  Would kill 2 birds with one stone,  BATTA-BING!!

  • Guest

    So you have no proof and you’re just mouthing off. See how it works, Honey?

  • ScienceWorks

    Sorry, that little trick of asking to prove your supernatural assertion that has no proof is non-existent doesn’t work. You’re making the assertion, so you prove it.

  • Guest

    Your mother aborted you and look where you are.

    Still no proof to your rantings. I didn’t think so. See how it works, Honey? BATTA-BING, BATTA-BOOM.

  • ScienceWorks

    Right after you present your proof that the supernatural world ancient ignorant men cooked up is real. Tick Tock….still waiting after thousands of years. You ain’t got shit.

  • ScienceWorks

    You first, butterhole.

  • ScienceWorks

    Actually, crevasse-munch, it doesn’t work that way at all. You prove your claim or STFU.

  • Anonymous

    Sweetheart, you’re right.  I’m a progressive and that entitles me to BITCH-SLAP the snot out of you, by using facts and figures.  Something you can’t seem to understand. BATTA-BING!!

  • ScienceWorks

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23769911
    Kirk Ca”moron” is an idiot and a truth denying delusional freak. 

  • ScienceWorks

    “Guest” is stuck on stupid – keeps repeating itself because it has nothing – no facts, evidence, logic, reason, intelligence, critical thinking. 

  • ScienceWorks

    Guest, where’s your evidence? You have none. I can assert that there’s a teacup orbiting Saturn and you cannot prove there isn’t. Same as you nutters insisting the supernatural realm exists when there’s no evidence for it.

  • ScienceWorks

    You present your proof first Cheese-lips Crust. You’re making a claim – prove it.

  • ScienceWorks

    It doesn’t work that way numbnuts. Your little game is as FOS as your mythical legends are.

  • Guest

    I saw your ignorant rant about wind power while you played with children’s toys. You’re a putz but when you find a way to power a Semi with your wind power, let me know.

    Your show? Geez, you sure are full of yourself. BATTA-BING, BATTA-BOOM.

  • Anonymous

    There you go!!!!  You made the claim, you post the proof!!!  Tends to keep people honest, doesn’t it?  If you want to put more salt in the wound, tell them to be specific.  They don’t know what to do.  When it come to facts…………………….forget about it!!!!!

  • ScienceWorks

    You cultists have nothing to support your claims. Face it. Joseph Smith was a crook too and that’s been established for decades. The Book of Abraham is a scam as well. It’s a completely false translation and that’s also been demonstrated. 

  • ScienceWorks

    Here’s the real sheep – people that listen to liars and con men like Beck.

  • ScienceWorks

    Which one is snowleopard? LOL

  • Anonymous

    All of them are snowleopard!  Where’s my shears.  Never mind the pastor already clipped them last sunday.  BATTA-BING!! Don’t you feel sorry for these poor bastards?

  • Anonymous

    Vacmancan…  Just a couple
    quick questions: Are you a eunuch or just a little light in the loafers?

    I have been called a lot of things, but when a person
    addresses me as sweetheart, she better be wearing a skirt. And baata bing?
    Yeah, that’s original, what you can’t come up with something on your own?

     I’m not a fan of Kirk
    Cameron, but I see him as a man trying to improve society, much more than I
    have ever seen any progressive do. Usually they spend their time trying to
    prove others wrong, thinking that that proves they are right.

    However in my line of work progressives are simply Cannon
    Fodder, absolutely useless except for catching Artillery rounds.

    Good luck with that identity problem.

  • Anonymous

    Sweetheart when somebody tries to teach your kids that the world is only 10,000 years old that’s child abuse!!  He should be thrown in jail.  Next he’ll want you to believe there’s a creator.  You “Simple-folk” are so cute.  You need to watch my show.  Let the BATTA-BINGS BEGIN!!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C_NzZWFaxQ

  • Me Wise Magic

    Ray Comfort who just released a film that has the country buzzing called “Evolution vs God.” This film focuses on an extremely important topic that is impacting the world’s culture and value of life in ways beyond measure. Mr. Comfort is an author of more than 100 books, film producer, and has a television show with Kirk Cameron. Below is the film that puts the death nail into Darwinism. Ray and his team will be handing out over a millions dvds of this film at colleges and high schools across the nation in a couple of weeks.

    Evolution vs God Movie
    http://evolutionvsgod.com/

    At the 22 minute 20 second mark of the movie college students state plainly that if their dog and their neighbor were drowning in a flood that they would SAVE THEIR DOG and NOT THE HUMAN BEING because they consider humans just an “animal.”

  • Guest

    There is no evidence to disprove the existence of God.  Present your proof or STFU.

    See how it works honey?

  • Guest

    Show your proof Sweetheart. Let’s see your proof the God doesn’t exist. I’ll wait.

  • Guest

    @facebook-1528242547:disqus 

    No, it’s you and your other sock puppet that claims the non existence of God.  Please present your proof. Your post doesn’t prove a thing. 

  • Guest

    No, it’s you and your other sock puppet that claims the non existence of God.  Please present your proof. Your post doesn’t prove a thing.

  • Guest

    I’ve made no claims to you or anyone else. Please present your proof of the non existence of God. 

    See how it works Honey?  Be specific, I’ll wait.

  • Guest2757A

    I never made any assertions.  You’re the one who is trying to push your religion of non-religion onto others. Prove your assertions of shut up.  Same goes for vacuumcleaner man.

    Put up or shut up.

  • Guest2757A

    I’ve been waiting for you to prove your assertions for months now.  Provide some proof and be specific.

    So far you’re all crap.  See how it works Sweetheart?

  • Guest2757A

    So what you’re saying is that you can’t prove anything.  You ain’t got shit.  I understand.  You have nothing.

  • Guest2757A

    So what you’re saying is that you don’t have shit.  I understand, you’re all mouth.  Prove your religion of no-religion and be specific Honey.

  • Guest2757A

    It does work that way little boy. You’re the one claiming that God doesn’t exist so prove it and be specific Honey.

  • Guest2757A

    You’re the idiot who can’t provide any proof to back up your rants.  Let’s see it and be specific.

    You’re the big critical thinker here, show me the proof you have.

    I see, you’ve got nothing Sweetheart. Not even a tiny little bit of proof honey?

  • Guest2757A

    All you have is your ignorance and that’s not worth spit.  Present your proof and be specific Honey.

  • Guest2757A

    So that’s your proof.  You’re an anti-religious bigot. 

    You decided there’s no God, that’s rich.  Because you decided then 6,790,000,000 people should listen to you.

    What a moroon.

  • Guest2757A

    It looks like you also have nothing to support your claims. 

    Still nothing just more BS from an Atheist. 

  • Guest2757A

    I’ll play as soon as you present some proof that God doesn’t exist.  Just a little proof, a smidgen, tiny little bit and be specific Sweetheart.

  • Guest2757A

    Let’s see those facts and figures Sweetheart. You can’t seem to present any so far.  BATTA-BIG BATTA BOOM.

  • Guest2757A

    Lets see those facts Sweetheart and be specific.BATTA-BIG BATTA BOOM.

  • Guest2757A

    scarfacesquirrel, his show is a 3 minute rant on how windmills will save the world, while he plays with two toy pinwheels that don’t turn in the non existent wind.

  • Anonymous

    God has saved my life more times then I can count bitch. & no I don’t THINK you’re an idiot, I know you are because you claim shit you can’t prove.

  • Anonymous

    You’ve already lost numbnuts. I’m Mormon. I believe in the Bible, I believe Christ is my savior & that he visited even the Americas after he rose from the dead & that there is a living prophet. Let’s see your play bitch.

  • Anonymous

     Have you done anything evil?  If so, why and why was it evil?

  • Anonymous

    “They” have promised nothing.  It’s not their promise.  Nor is it their promise to fulfill. The fulfillment isn’t necessarily “some great prize” but it will be exactly what one embraces and it will be right, just and for eternity.

    Do you accept eternity?  Why or why not?

  • Anonymous

    Some swim in manure and don’t know they smell funny.

  • Anonymous

    Have you ignored the tests?  Do you know if you have been administered a test?

  • Anonymous

     Yes, they are ugly.  Be hopeful that you are presented with an opportunity to think.

  • Anonymous

    They did what God requested of them.  Do you have a problem with that request?  If so what is the problem and why?

  • ScienceWorks

    Comfort’s movie is recognized as pure hogwash by enlightened, educated people of reason everywhere. Try as he might, he will never drag humanity back to the Dark Ages with his brand of pseudo science and nonsense.

  • ScienceWorks

    Pest2757A, but first you prove there’s not a Mountain Dew can orbiting Uranus. Still waiting….

  • ScienceWorks

    Can you think independently tonybigs or do you simply absorb and parrot all the myths and falsehoods that you were brain washed with as a child? Because it’s not Dark Ages any longer. Science has revealed an entire universe that the ancient men who cobbled together the religious narrative were never even aware of. Face it. They were ignorant primitives. You wouldn’t trust their ideas about anything since even most 6th graders know more about things than they did.

  • ScienceWorks

    Tonybigs just described most pastors, preachers priests and nuns. Quite accurately as well. Nice job tonybigs.

  • ScienceWorks

    Guest2757A is defeated. He’s got nothing and it shows. That’s why he has to cling to the same little phrase over and over. Jesusbots are funny little people.

  • ScienceWorks

    You have nothing and it shows. Religion is dying out because science has exposed it for the superstitious nonsense it’s always been.

  • ScienceWorks

    The proof is simple. Although there’s evidence to support all the modern inventions you enjoy everyday there has never been any real evidence to support the supernatural, which includes your god. Case closed. Now disprove my assertion that a tea cup is orbiting Pluto. Tick tock….

  • ScienceWorks

    You’re pretending to know god and all the other mythical entities that populate your fantasy world are real and you call that pretend knowledge “faith.” Critical thinkers are merely asking for you to provide evidence and you cannot. Enlightened people sort fact from fiction via evidence. We know things, rather than pretend to know things as you supernaturalists do. You have no proof and it shows.

  • ScienceWorks

    You first. You made the assertion. We’re demanding proof. You have none so you resort to behaving like a Jesusbot by repeating your silly demand. You’ve been bested. Truth trumps fantasy always.

  • ScienceWorks

    “They did what God requested of them.  Do you have a problem with that request?  If so what is the problem and why?”

    The problem is god doesn’t exist, and therefore those people are responsible for their own vile actions.

  • ScienceWorks

    Jesusbot must have a lot of parrot DNA. Anybody got a cracker for our little parrot?

  • ScienceWorks

    Polly want a cracker? lolol

  • ScienceWorks

    The Book Of Abraham is a book created by Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith purchased some papyrus that was found with an Egyptian mummy. Joseph claimed that the papyrus contained the Book of Abraham and thus created the “Pearl Of Great Price”. Modern day Egyptologists have translated the Joseph Smith Papyrus Facsimiles, as well as other documents that did not make it into the facsimiles – but were part of the original collection of Papyri. Their conclusion: The documents are entirely different from what Joseph Smith said.

  • ScienceWorks

    LDS is a cult. The Book of Abraham is false and was created by a fraud and proven criminal named Joseph Smith. The Book Of Abraham is a book created by Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith purchased some papyrus that was found with an Egyptian mummy. Joseph claimed that the papyrus contained the Book of Abraham and thus created the “Pearl Of Great Price”. Modern day Egyptologists have translated the Joseph Smith Papyrus Facsimiles, as well as other documents that did not make it into the facsimiles – but were part of the original collection of Papyri. Their conclusion: The documents are entirely different from what Joseph Smith said.

  • ScienceWorks

    vacmancan, they believe the BS that their hero Beck spews too. That is sad. 

  • ScienceWorks

    Here’s your proof Guest2757A. And it’s very specific. Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8-cduo2Wgk

  • Anonymous

     Look no further folks.

  • Anonymous

    Responsible?  To who?  Anyone? Why are the actions vile (as you say)?  For you to accept the latter you must accept the former.

  • Guest2757A

    So you have nothing but your own ignorance.  I knew that already, piss-ant.

  • Guest2757A

    So what you’re saying is that you have nothing but your ignorance and can’t prove your point.  It figured, you Atheists are all alike, stupid.

  • Guest2757A

    So you have nothing but childish nonsense.  None of you Atheist idiots can prove your ignorant rants.

  • Guest2757A

    I made no such assertions.  Prove that you’re not just an ignorant Atheist and put up some kind of verifiable facts or STFU.  Be specific.

  • Guest2757A

    I’m not pretending anything little fella. You sound like a moronic Atheist who can’t present any specific proof to your ignorant rants. Present some proof and be specific Sweetheart.

    So far all you post is is excuses, insults and rhetoric. Post some verifiable proof or STFU.

  • ScienceWorks

    I agree with Glenn on this one.

  • ScienceWorks

    Gotta go with what Glenn says to Guest2757duh.

  • ScienceWorks

    Like Glenn says, the burden of proof is all on you.

  • ScienceWorks

    lolol…….that hole you’re finding yourself in just keeps getting deeper.

  • ScienceWorks

    Burden of proof is yours.

  • ScienceWorks

    lololol………….

  • ScienceWorks

    LMAOOO!!!!

  • ScienceWorks

    Glenn says it best:)

  • ScienceWorks

    Well said and right on target. Shows how desperate they both are.

  • ScienceWorks

    loloLOLOLOL!

  • ScienceWorks

    LOL. Ray the Banana Man! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0geHA2yHSZI

  • Guest2757A

    So you still have nothing.  lolol  It figures

  • Guest2757A

    You’re the idiot making the claims but you can’t back up your noise with any facts.  The burden of proof lies on you little fella.  So far you have nothing. LMAOYSF

  • ScienceWorks

    In the not so far future religion as we know it will simply become obsolete and part of history. One of the main reasons for this is the fact that religion in its current form is a very static set of values. This set is frozen inside religion by its own “writings” which are considered to be “the word of god”.  Science, on the other hand, is a very dynamic set. One of its core values is that nothing is absolutely true, anything may change, can change and will be changed in the case it is proved otherwise.  Science transfers the whole power of the universe into our very hands, while religion takes it away and gives it to a god.  Science moves humanity forward to a better world, while religion tries to drag us all back and drown us in the ancient ideas of ignorant long dead men. Science is for people who like facts and not interpretations, for people who like to understand not to believe, for people who value truth over myth. Science will conquer the minds of everyone eventually. 

  • Guest2757A

    Yes Anton, you are a joke. LOLOLOLOL

  • Guest2757A

    One of its core values is that nothing is absolutely true, anything may change, can change and will be changed in the case it is proved otherwise. 
    But…but you were just arguing that man made global warming is a fact! It’s far from a proven fact which is why scientists call it a THEORY.

    Are you a hypocrite Anton, why yes you are.

    OBTW, you still haven’t presented any facts that there’s no God.  I’m still waiting for your proof.

    LMAOYSM

  • Guest2757A

    There is no evidence to support your rants that there is no God, Anton.  I’ve been waiting for your proof but you only offer an opinion which is based in your belief that God doesn’t exist.

    LMAO  You have nothing.

  • Guest2757A

    That’s your proof Anton.  You have nothing. 

  • Guest2757A

    He does smell like he’s been crawling in cow dung doesn’t he?

  • Guest2757A

    So you have nothing Anton. LMAO

  • Anonymous

    @facebook-1528242547:disqus your ramblings are ridiculous, 1st you claim to be an atheist then you use bs from other religions to try to refute the validity of mine? Give me freekin’ break! Joseph Smith was a proven criminal? Ok let’s see ya back that crap up

  • ScienceWorks

    That’s easy. Look at any historical records. It’s a fact.

  • ScienceWorks

    Nope. Not me. I never said man made global warming was a fact. You lied. 

  • Anonymous

    Let’s see your proof. Coming from an atheist makes your bs pretty entertaining. Joseph was 14 yr old kid not a crook. You pulled that outta your ass. Your claims about the Book of Abraham are made BY YOU as well but by all means continue, I’m always up for a good laugh.

  • Anonymous

    & your inability to debate only insult makes you a jackass

  • Anonymous
  • ScienceWorks

    OK Anton. lolol

  • Anonymous

    BTW, it was the Book of Moses, not Abraham moron http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/introduction?lang=eng

  • ScienceWorks

    OK Anton. lolol

  • Anonymous

    Proof please. We’re waiting?

  • Anonymous

    Awww, what’s the matter, facts not workin’ out for ya? Nothing but freakin’ cop out

  • Anonymous

    There is a multitude of evidence ranging from existence of Biblical archeological digs to modern places existing since Biblical times

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, I’m still waiting for you produce one of these “historical records”. Oh wait you CAN’T. Retard

  • Anonymous

    You argument is as flimsy as global warming. They’ve been screaming for years the polar ice caps are going to melt in 10, 30, 50yrs & they haven’t done anything but keep pushing back their “hypothesis” of when it will happen. Religion has been around since time began & it’s not going anywhere

  • Anonymous

    Now you’re showing signs of mental illness. Let’s see PROOF Joseph Smith was a criminal. In fact let’s see proof you know anyone who works for Beck. Can’t can y? Oh, that’s gotta hurt.

  • ScienceWorks

    lololOLOLOL!!   Priceless!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8-cduo2Wgk

  • Me Wise Magic

    Ad hominem attacks.  Weak, typical and predictable.  Boring

  • Anonymous

    Who knows, but the poor guy seems to be surrounded by your relatives

  • Anonymous

    Define brainwashing, can’t can you?

  • Anonymous

    Proof you can’t even offer a cognizant response much a rebuttal that proves your stance much refutes anyone else’s. I gather from this also that you’ve failed 2nd grade. Might I suggest an adult class, perhaps Critical Thinking 101? ’till then no points this round either. GAME OVER, YOU LOSE!

  • Anonymous

     @facebook-1528242547:disqus
    There are many that claim(ed) that God is dead, but look where they are.
    Consider the plagues of Egypt, the flood, and the very order of creation. What makes more sense, a cosmic accident as your “scientists” claim, or an intelligent, vastly more powerful and superior being than yourself, setting the very principles of creation in motion and ordering time?

  • Anonymous

     Including, but not limited to, the scraps of Egyptian chariots in the Red Sea, the evidence supporting a global flood (including a large, boat-like object stuck in the high altitudes of Mount Ararat), the plagues of Egypt, the murals of Ethopia, the Egyptian coinage from the era of Joseph (son of Israel), etcetra.

  • Anonymous

    What is it that Jesus said? They wouldn’t believe even if God sent someone back from the dead. They have Moses and the prophets, etcetra. They aren’t going to believe even if the evidence smacks them in the face. These are the same people who are trying to explain away the plagues of Egypt as having “natural” causes.

  • Anonymous

    “Professing themselves to be wise, they became as fools…..”
    All this back and forth with vacuumsalesman and “science”works is draining. They will never believe because “their god is their own belly”, and their conscience is seared with a hot iron. They do not care about right and wrong, only what pleasures them for the day.

  • Anonymous

    So the very fact that science is “dynamic”, ergo constantly changing, means that you have no basis for moral decisions, you can’t say anyone anywhere is “wrong” or “evil” for doing what they do, say, or believe. For your “science”, slavery would be okay, as long as it “benefits” humanity, forced sterilization would be okay because eugenics would be considered moving humanity “forward”, and genocide would be commonplace because we all “know” how beneficial it is to humanity to reduce population and get rid of those who don’t contribute to mankind.

  • Anonymous

    The reason vacmancan and scienceworks have been pushing their so-called “science” so much is because they are trying to marry secular humanism (their religion; Supreme Court lists it as one) to science and make them analogous in society’s mind. If “science” is “truth”, and secular humanism is based on “science”, then secular humanism must be “truth” too, and good for us. Anything that a secular humanist or “scientist” says must be taken as gospel and believed. Notice how often those two bash what we have to say in challenge to their beliefs, even when we provide other scientific sources that do so (like the challenge to evolution or AGW). Aren’t they claiming that science is dynamic and always changing, that we need to use critical thinking, etc? How can the “science” EVER be settled, based upon their definition of sciences “values”?

  • Anonymous

     Since these “enlightened”, “educated” people of “reason” are “everywhere”, please give us a legitimate citation and link to someone who can refute Comfort’s logic (especially on the first half regarding evolution). Comfort was correct to insist on distinguishing between adaptation and Darwinian (i.e. macro) evolution. Darwin speculated that, based upon the observed adaptations WITHIN a species, that a series of adaptations and mutations COULD HAVE occurred over a long period of time. That is pure speculation and theory, though, and, as Comfort rightly pointed out. leaves the realm of science.

  • Anonymous

    As you and your friend vacmancan like to say, the “science” is already settled that Jesus actually did exist 2000 years ago. The only argument presented now is whether he actually did the things the Bible tells us he did.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

  • Anonymous

     All your article shows is that our ancestors enjoyed a nicely spiced meal.

  • Anonymous

    God’s not dead! The devil wants us to believe that and uses his pawns to promote such nonsense.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_OTz-lpDjw&list=RD02klf_k_pxWoE

  • ScienceWorks

    The supernatural never existed in the first place. 

  • ScienceWorks

    Wrong. Stop lying too. Follow your own rules. 

    When the same proof that supports anything we all know to be real exists about the supernatural realm, we’ll know it’s real. Until then, you can pretend to know it’s real, but for me that’s simply a dishonest lie. That’s it. Any other claims you make are lies. Stop lying.

  • ScienceWorks

    LIAR. You don’t know me and your comments are false and dishonest. You’re a hypocrite.

  • ScienceWorks

    You’re delusional Travis. You think false stories and myths are true. Good luck, you’ll need it.

  • ScienceWorks

    Wrong Voymasa. The rule of law works. Some don’t need the threat of doom at the hands of a supernatural deity to treat our fellow human beings with kindness and respect. It’s troubling to see people like yourself who think they would run wild and behave like a savage without your supernatural delusions to hold you back from it.

  • ScienceWorks

    “GAME OVER, YOU LOSE!”  Grow up.

  • ScienceWorks

    You’re too brainwashed to be helped by any truth, reason and logic. Good luck, you’ll need it. The rest of civilized humanity is moving ahead and we’ll do fine without you. Take care now.

  • ScienceWorks

    Prove it.

  • ScienceWorks

    Prove it.

  • ScienceWorks

    Prove it. You cannot.

  • ScienceWorks

    Voymasa, the universe was NOT created by some super being. That’s a primitive childish belief. Where did that idea even originate? Oh right! Primitive men who didn’t even know why it got dark at night came up with it. Try THINKING for a change. We know better now.

  • ScienceWorks

    This is all hogwash with no truth or scientifically accepted evidence to support it:
    “ Including, but not limited to, the scraps of Egyptian chariots in the Red Sea, the evidence supporting a global flood (including a large, boat-like object stuck in the high altitudes of Mount Ararat), the plagues of Egypt, the murals of Ethopia, the Egyptian coinage from the era of Joseph (son of Israel), etcetra.”

    You’ve been fooled.

  • ScienceWorks

    LDS member is someone who is brainwashed. Same as a FLDS member, or a Jehovah’s Witness, Scientologist, or any other cult.

  • ScienceWorks

    Where’s your proof? You have none and you never will. You’re drowning in delusion.

  • ScienceWorks

    And here we have another scammer who was exposed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJVTHIyyM2E

  • Anonymous

    It’s really funny to see you talking to yourself, cause no one else cares.

  • Anonymous

    FLDS is a religion based only on polygamy, Scientolgists think the Bible is a hoax made up by an alien (which should be right up your atheist alley) & the other 3 don’t handcuff their followers who want to leave to radiators & starve them. If this is what you call logic I fear for your offspring. & again define brainwashing please, while you’re at it try defining cult. & let’s see if you can do it without just repeating yourself this time, my money’s on not…but you’re entertaining ;).

  • Anonymous

    Prove it

  • Anonymous

    How? You haven’t even played. You forfeit is what that’s called bitch.
    Me:http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/introduction?lang=eng
    You: CONFTRONTED BT FACTA!!! EEECK RUN AWAY AWAY!!!

  • Anonymous

    The key thing is, if it is evidence that supports the Bible, people like vacman and SW claim it’s BS.
    They pick and choose what facts and data to believe (oh no, I just used the word “believe” in relation to their POV!)

  • Anonymous

     Blind leading the blind; ya’ll will just fall into a pit and not even realize it.

  • Anonymous

    Now THAT is a very broad claim with zero scientific evidence to back it up.

  • Anonymous

     Review ALL of your statements throughout this post. You adamantly that God doesn’t exist, and that He never existed. You facetiously ask for proof of something with no intention of actually looking at any of the evidence and simply dismissing that which has been presented to you in support of a Creator. Now tell me where I am lying that you will NEVER believe.

  • Anonymous

    Yea, the rule of law really worked for those millions murdered by the Nazis in Germany, the Soviets in Russia, the Reds in China, Pol Pot, the genocide in Rowana….. shall we go on?
    Hmmmm… what do you know, all of those were anti-theistic places at those times, as well.
    By the way, it’s not threat of supernatural doom that motivates most of us believers on this site, it’s love. We recognize that there exists a being greater than ourselves and we have enough humility and respect for them to acknowledge their superiority and wisdom for our lives.
    What is kindness and respect? How do you define them? Those of us who believe, recognize that God sets the definition and standards for those concepts. Where do you get your standards from?

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    A poster on another article (on this site) made an excellent distinction with regards to vac’s incessant rantings about God. The poster asked him to distinguish between whether he was using “god/s” (as in beings that are worshipped) or God (as in the Creator of all existence). With regards to that, there IS proof (or at least sufficient supporting scientific evidence of) creation (and thus a creator), as opposed to everything bursting into existence from nothing and then evolving to its present form. The evidence is put together quite and well shown in a book called “In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood” by Dr. Walt Brown PhD (I have the 8th edition, c. 2008)

  • ScienceWorks

    Wrong. There’s never been a shred of evidence that the supernatural realm exists, especially not the one imagined by ancient men who didn’t even know why it got dark at night.

  • ScienceWorks

    Here’s how your brand of religion was invented (unless you’re a Mormon.) http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/10/bible-scholar-christianity-invented-as-part-of-ancient-roman-psy-ops-campaign/

  • Anonymous

    The Fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.”
    The very heavens declare His handiwork. What other document can you point to that has made prophecies and predictions that have always come true? (Daniel 9:21-27 is one of many such places. In this record Daniel, at the time he was living in Babylon after the captivity, received a prophecy regarding the coming Messiah. In this revelation he declares that the Messiah would do certain things, such as be “cut off” but not for himself, which reads as “destroyed from among” in the Hebrew, roughly, that he would cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease, and that he would confirm the covenant for a period of time. Though we may never know today what exactly the full meaning of the revelation was to Daniel, or what the period of time, the “weeks” were, there was obviously enough information there so that Daniel could teach the court to expect the Messiah at a certain time, in a certain place, and that certain signs would confirm and announce his birth. Those Magi recorded in the gospels were likely the Magians, a sect of the Zoarastrians who would have come from the very same court that Daniel had responsibility and authority over around 400-500 years beforehand. Another historical fact, the arrival of a delegation of Magians from the east, during Herod’s reign). What other book has the supporting historical records that show that their events occured?
    Did you know that historians have found that Jesus of Nazareth did exist? Did you know that they have found that King Herod did in fact have his soldiers murder all male infants in the area of Bethlehem? Did you know that Jesus’ death is a recorded historical fact? Remember, he died an infamous death (crucifixion) and the Romans were pretty good record keepers. Did you know that Quirinius (Cyrinious) was not only the chief legate for the area of Syria for the taxation in the early ADs, but he was also assinged as a special legate (hegemon) to the area for a census conducted across the Roman Empire in anticipation of Caeser Augstus’ 25 anniversary as emperor? All of these are confirmable historical facts.
    Now, whether or not you believe that we were created by an all-powerful, loving God, who wants us to prosper and be in health, and to choose to do good and not evil, is your choice, but you are a fool to continually harass and hate those of us who do love and acknowledge the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth? That is intolerant and mean-spirited, let alone what do you profit by purporting such harassment?
    As for evidence and proof of God…. you will not see God’s being with your human eyes until the resurrection and the judgment, but you can see the depths of His handiwork, and if you are actually a humble person, acknowledge that there are things out there that are greater than you are. Stop being so stubborn and self-willed and deflate your ego. Do you really believe that the Bible is simple a collection of stories and sayings that are meaningless? (this is a rhetorical question) When it says in Psalm 19 that the Heavens declare his handiwork and that there is no language in which they are not heard, in case you don’t get it, everywhere in the world, in every culture, the constellations and the stars have meaning (and if you do some research on the ancient names of the stars it may help you see that there is too much similarity between them to be ignored and deemed a coincidence).
    I am willing to let you choose unbelief because you have free will, and I trust that God knows what He is talking about when He said people like you would exist. But STOP harassing believers. You aren’t even trying to have a gentlemanly discussion with us; you are vicious in your statements and make remarks that are absolutes, for things that you do not have the evidence to disprove.

  • Anonymous

    So a bible critic comes up with a theory how religions come about and you jump on the bandwagon with both feet, why? BECAUSE you will NEVER believe. Gosh, you just keep reinforcing what I’m saying.
    Oh, out of curiousity, why are you posting such nonsense 2 months after our last communique? Is seeing your own words on a screen that important?

  • Anonymous

    I apologize for the wait. Have you ever had a non-modified banana, or even related fruit? Try a plantain (there pretty good and you can fry them in oil). Plantains generally have NOT been modified (they still have those evil large seeds that the banana was selectively breeded or whatever, to eliminate), yet they have the same shape (though they are a bit larger) as a banana.
    Yes, “banana man”‘s use of the banana was silly; there are better ways to glorify God, and better points in His creation to show His handiwork. Yet, his basic premice is not invalid simply because the common banana was “modified” by humans. The shape was never changed.
    So, argument silly, and ad hominem attack inappropriate. Next.