WATCH: The GOP’s foreign policy civil war

Last night on Real News, S.E. Cupp joined the panel from TheBlaze’s Washington D.C. bureau to talk about the growing rift within the Republican Party between the establishment war hawks and the libertarian-leaning conservatives opposed to U.S. military intervention in Syria.

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  • snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    The Republican party is already broken between RINO’s and Conservatives; its past time to either clean out the RINO’s or let the party die and form a new one.


    • Elena

      The Constitutional Party

      Abolish the IRS replacing it w/Herman Cain’s 9-9-9

      Reduce the National Debt thru reduced spending on non-Constitutional mandates

      Term limits for Congress [3 for the House, 2 for the Senate]

      Pay Congress what O-6 in the armed forces get paid, billet them in base housing, and grant their families a dependent ID in line w/armed forces families

      No fat Congressional retirement unless the member serves 3 House & 2 Senate “tours”

      Retirement 50 percent of base pay at the end of 5 terms in Congress

      Secure US borders, north and south

      Add immigrants thru the front door as needed, no longer just because

      Normalize illegal immigrant legitimate spouses of US citizens or green card holder

      Normalize illegal immigrants who are “clean” and have jobs, but ban them fm US citizenship forever

      Release federal lands to states in a reasonable fashion

      Eliminate the following departments/agencies:  Education, BIA, IRS, HHS, HUD, EEO, Energy (the private sector can do a much better job), DHS, FEMA

      Fold DEA, BATF, and other similar agencies into FBI as a federal law enforcement agency

      Combine the following dept/agencies:  USDA & FDA, Commerce & Transportation

      Make Interior Dept responsible for “homeland security” w/CBP

      Return to individual savings rather than paid-into-but-overdrawn gov’t-sponsored entitlements

      No mare “czars” who report only to the President

      General return to Constitutional norms for government and its authority rather than ever expanding government and debt related.  If it’s not in the Constitution as a federal job, then it goes to the states.

      • Pachy Serrano

        Replace the IRS with the 999 its like saying replace it with the 666. Experts have said many times the 999 won’t work and we would still have to pay more taxes at the end . . . look it up!

      • Isaiah Daniels

        In response to the original post, KUDOS! I would make a few changes but that is one of the best plans I’ve yet seen as a basis of true debate in the national interest.

        Now, for the response commenting on “666”? “EXPERTS” created to vile system we are currently enslaved too. Some, the very same “experts” that say ANY other plan will fail. What they are really saying for anyone who actually listens is, “Those other plans will fail to keep me in the lifestyle I have grown accustomed too. You know, the position of sitting, standing, walking on the heads of we the Sheeple?

        Now, Pachy, YOU LOOK IT UP! And don’t go looking in all the usual places where the Koolaid is served cold and sweet!

      • melissa

        WOW, JUST WOW!!!  KEEP GOIN’ DUDE!!!

    • soybomb315

       make the party die so that a new one takes its place

  • Josh

    At what point in time do we finally realize that Republican vs Democrat is a false dilemma (logical fallacy)?  Not only are they not the only two choices, but political parties in general are not the only choice.  Our country would do well to utterly abandon the system of party politics.  My hero, George Washington, uttered some pretty powerful words and a stern warning about what party politics would do to our country.  He cautioned us to NOT HAVE POLITICAL PARTIES at all.  I agree whole heartedly with his view and I think it is time for America to start to abandon every political party in favor of a system that truly elects folks on merit and not on party affiliation.

    • Anonymous

      “My hero, George Washington, uttered some pretty powerful words and a stern warning about what party politics would do to our country.  He cautioned us to NOT HAVE POLITICAL PARTIES at all.”

      America is not yet ready for such a brilliant system of governance. An even better idea than Washington’s would be to follow Henry David Thoreau’s wise words: “I heartily accept the motto,—“That government is best which governs least;” and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which I also believe,—“That government is best which governs not at all;” and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have. Government is at best but an expedient; but most governments are usually, and all governments are sometimes, inexpedient..”

  • Anonymous

    “Libertarian-leaning conservatives” are the only hope for the GOP. Frankly, it’s a small hope, but worth fighting for. The old, warmongering dogs need to be retired to play video poker with each other.. America doesn’t need anymore foreign entanglements.

    “The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is, in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible.  So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith.  Here let us stop.”  ~ George Washington

    Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Steve Stockman and the others who believe in George Washing’s advice should be the new face of the GOP. They want the American warfare state to be transformed back into a nation of peace and security; a nation reluctant to become entangled in foreign no-win situations.The bottom line is that under Obama and Kerry’s leadership, America is not going to change all of the intense hating that’s been going on in the Levant for the last 5000 yrs.

    The Roman Imperium could not change the hate, and neither will the American Imperium succeed where Rome failed.  Anybody who trusts Obama and Kerry’s leadership is a fool. Rather than bringing would peace, I’d guess that the Obama regime shall bring world war.

  • ThorsteinVeblen2012

    What is our moral obligation to stop torture, the use of cluster weapons, depleted uranium, agent orange, white phosphorus, signature drone strikes or wars of aggression?

    If there are red lines to be drawn they clearly should have been drawn in those cases, cases that this country including the sitting President bear responsibility.

    Unless and until we are willing to enforce our own moral red lines getting involved in another war, which Americans will undoubtably kill innocents seems itself immoral.

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      The Republican party is already broken between RINO’s and Conservatives; its past time to either clean out the RINO’s or let the party die and form a new one.

      • Anonymous

        Tsk, tsk, conrad, ”borrowing” another person’s comment to make it your own?

        At least give the person the credit from whom you took it.

        BTW, it’s inappropriate for you to be selling your wares on this site.

    • Anonymous

      When you think of WW2 and the reaction of the U.S. troops and Eisenhower when they went through Auschwitz, Dachau and other concentration camps, the Syrian civil war is nothing like the “moral obligation” they felt when they understood why Germany needed to be stopped. The Jews, Poles, Gypsies and the other millions of people they liberated were not ENEMIES of the United States (or any of our allies). The chemical weapons attack, deplorable as it was, is not reason enough to surgically strike Assad’s regime in light of the fact that the rebels are heavily supported by Al-Qa’eda.

      You may say, “Well, what about the dead babies and children of the attack?”

      I am a father and I love my daughter dearly, but if I was part of the Syrian rebellion–allied with Al-Qa’eda–I wouldn’t mind so much that she died.  In fact, I might even participate in an effort to stage a chemical attack in order to bring her to Allah sooner.  That may seem very far-fetched, but just take a gander at their holy book and you’ll see that they are allowed, if not impelled, to lie to infidels like you and me.

      Why? Why, O why, help a side of somebody else’s war–a side which is in bed with Al-Qa’eda?

      I refer you to this NY Times article: 

  • Anonymous

    Frankly, there is a functional dilemna.  I would vote for Rand Paul in a heartBeat … but while I think he could slow the bleeding, the entitled (at all ends of the economic spectrum) are dug in and Rand will die (literally) if he gets us too close to where we should be.  That being said, I can no longer in good conscience vote for the lesser of 2 evils (we are all being convinced that the opposition pure evil so you have to vote for “our guy” even though he’s a corrupt jack-axx.  I am Libertarian, minimalist gov’t constitutionally constrained gov’t.  Neither party (as a whole) believes in any of this.  I believe Dr. MLK was rolling over in his grave as people were celebrating in his name and speaking of their “rights” to free iPads. jobs, free cell phones, free healthcare, free collegeeducation, …  We are heading down the tubes and some folks are stepping on the gas pedal.  I believe we will hit bottom (like Detroit) … not sure what happens then.  I hold out a prayerful hope that small republics can rise from the ashes.  Republics patterned on the model our genius founding fathers set up.  Otherwise, we may writhe in pain on the ground while people still sit there waiting for free stuff.  4th world … here we come.

  • Anonymous

    My observation would be there is no easy answer. The clearest choice is to stay out of someone else’s religious civil war. I don’t believe that is isolationist, but the Military-Industrial complex Ike warned us about is clearly pushing here against our National Interest and our standing in the world.

  • MarsBarsTru7

    I really don’t care if the GOP splits or disappears altogether anymore. Just as long as Democrats are defeated and eventually eliminated the party label doesn’t matter to me. I’ll vote for whatever choice best represents the minarchist government outlined by the Constitution. If there is no decent choice, I’m no longer holding my nose and voting for the lesser of two evils. As of the last two election cycles I’ve written in votes when no decent candidate was available to choose. I will not compromise my integrity so that corporatist fascists can pat themselves on the back for winning the vote of desperate Americans tired of Democrats and liberal idiocy. They no more deserve the vote than the Democrats they run against.

    That means Romney, McCain, Graham, Boehner, Cantor, and the whole rest of the lot. Goodbye Republican Party and deservedly so if these men represent the “leadership” of the party.

  • MarsBarsTru7

    Oh, and by the way GB and TheBlaze – As someone that espouses liberty and a Christian foundation for this country I’m letting you know, for what it’s worth, I couldn’t care less what S.E. Cupp has to say. She does not advocate religious freedom nor does she recognize that the very foundation for this country rests on acknowledgment of God. No one is forced to acknowledge God or adopt a specific doctrine of religion by Constitutional Law. However, the laws themselves are based on Faith in God’s nature, and the atheist activist movement to eliminate all reference to God from the public sphere is both offensive and against the very foundation of the fundamental laws of the nation itself. You might as well eliminate the Constitution and the nationhood of the United States of America altogether, as the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution mean nothing without God. For without God government is an establishment of human force in dominion over other humans and nothing more. And that is tyranny.

  • Separook_bin_Feinstein

    John Kerry said that it wouldn’t be a war in the “classical sense” because there would be no ground troops.

    “John Kerry, speaking before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on April 22, 1971:

    “We veterans can only look with amazement on the fact that this
    country has been unable to see there is absolutely no difference between
    ground troops and a helicopter crew, and yet people have accepted a
    differentiation fed them by the Administration. No ground troops are in
    Laos, so it is all right to kill Laotians by remote control. […] We
    are asking here in Washington for some action, action from the Congress
    of the United States of America, which has the power to raise and
    maintain armies, and which by the Constitution also has the power to
    declare war. We have come here, not to the President, because we believe
    that this body can be responsive to the will of the people…””

    What a hypocrite, warmongering, douche bag.


  • Anonymous

    From what I heard, Syria wasn’t around to sign anything re: anti-weapons of mass destruction/

    chemical weapons type treaty.   Nonetheless, this appears to be the business of the UN rather

    than a unilateral decision of The One.  Or how many nations does he have on board for this?

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