Glenn tweets 10 (and a half) lessons on the differences between liberals and progressives

Glenn may be on vacation, but in the world of social media no one is truly disconnected. After Salon wrote an uninformed response to Glenn’s New York Times Q&A, Glenn took to Twitter for a brief lesson in what makes a progressive so dangerous.

  • MarsBarsTru7

    Lesson 1 – None of this matters if you see existence as subjective and adhere to moral relativism.

    Lesson 2 – Everything is subjective, including morality, if you do not believe in God.

    Lesson 3 – Our government only exists because of its establishment by the founders of the country and the founding documents that outline how our government is to function and why it is to function that way. Without adherence to those documents and the values reflected therein, our government is not legitimate.

    Lesson 4 – Adhering to “liberalism” as a political philosophy is fallacious because the vast majority of liberal causes taken to their logical conclusion eventually conflict with one another, if they are not outright diametrically opposed. It’s one thing to support a specific cause labeled as “liberal”, and another to advocate liberalism altogether.

    Lesson 5 – “Conservatism” is no more inherently virtuous than liberalism. Conservatism is almost synonymous with traditionalism. If the mainstream traditional values of a given civilization are relativistic or amoral, then the conservatives of that nation will inherently be adhering to relativistic or amoral values.

    Lesson 6 – For there to be any real objective rational virtue within a given society that society must necessarily adhere to common values that come from an absolute source – God.

    Lesson 7 – The reason Progressives conflict with many liberals and conservatives alike is because Progressives set up the individual human (themselves) as god and therefore all is subjective and relative. Government is simply the organized agent through which they can impose their subjective beliefs upon all of society. The majority of people acknowledge God, liberal and conservative alike, and that is why there is conflict.

    Lesson 8 – In the United States the Progressives find it easier to gain and retain power using liberal support because in their subjective morality honesty has no place and the means are justified by the ends. Therefore they pander to every liberal cause and they don’t allow the conflicts between liberal causes to be confronted in public discourse. Meanwhile, since American conservatism is rooted in an absolute morality that often conflicts with Progressive projects and goals, conservatives are therefore more difficult to attain and retain support from. There major inroad with conservatives is stirring up moral outrage and harnessing this outrage for support in passing laws to control whatever scenario the outrage stems from.

    Lesson 9 – Because American conservatism is rooted in Judeo-Christian values, the common moral code shared by conservatives pushes conservatives to advocate for smaller and less government, but maintain an unchanging law system which bans certain immoral behaviors. The combination of which is almost always in conflict with Progressive tactics and goals. Ultimately American conservatism is diametrically opposed to Progressivism and will always be. An absolute unchanging value system is naturally, rationally, and logically in direct conflict with relativistic/subjective values.

    Lesson 10 – Liberalism and American conservatism are put at odds with one another because liberalism must necessarily ignore what are otherwise logical conflicts between their various causes, while American conservatism strives to adhere to and maintain a common and absolute core set of values. Liberals and American conservatives will continue to be in conflict with one another, with or without the influence of Progressives.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Well said, that sums it up in a nutshell.

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    Meanwhile, since American conservatism is rooted in an absolute morality that often conflicts with Progressive projects and goals, conservatives are therefore more difficult to attain and retain support from. Their major inroad with conservatives is stirring up moral outrage and harnessing this outrage for support in passing laws to control whatever scenario…

  • Anonymous

    Excellent nothing left to add to that !

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Skyler-Sneathen/100001205612843 Skyler Sneathen

    Salon are idiots. They think The Dark knight Rises had some Reagan-esque/fascist theme to it. HA! 

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Everything is subjective, Mars, because there is no god.

    “Nothing is true, everything is permitted” Hassan-i Sabbah

    “I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.” -Thomas Jefferson

  • Anonymous

    SOCIALISM COMMUNISM must undermine Faith,fabric of civility,CONTROL of YOU,FAMILY,and YOUR conscience……
    Why don’t those Native born Americans who think that is okay….MOVE to the countries that already exist that are run by “progressives” or in the parlance and EXPERIENCE Of we fortunate immigrants..SOCIALISM COMMUNISM.
    Why is it that emigrants LOVE the American Constitution,idea,ideals,and opportunities….and so MANY Native born Americans have CONTEMPT for America…and Americans?
    If ALL NATIVE BORN AMERICANS READ the United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights…you will UNDERSTAND why immigrants from Socialism Communism LOVE America and ALL AMERICANS
    Thank you

  • Anonymous

    You must accept the possibility of an afterlife then because (using your definition) death is subjective.

    The people you quote are incorrect and misguided on this particular subject.  Neither person is without error.

  • Steve

    Prove it Gristle,

    I can quote people too.

    “Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever”–Thomas Jefferson

  • Brian Robbins

    Everyone has a god – God, drugs, Obama, trees, themselves, etc.

    Everyone has a religion – organized religion, sports, politics, radicalizm, cross-words, etc.

    Here’s my favorite quote – bow down before the one you serve,you’re going to get what you deserve.

    Just replace the word “God” with “Government” and sing. It’s a real eye opener.

    Government money I’ll do anything for you.Government money just tell me what you want me to.Government money nail me up against the wall.Government money don’t want everything he wants it all.

  • Brian Robbins

    Sorry – Nine Inch Nails

  • Anonymous

     So what happens when we die?

  • MarsBarsTru7

    You don’t want to get into a quote war with me about what Thomas Jefferson or any learned person had to say about God, Jesus, or Christianity.

    Thomas Jefferson was a deist who followed the teachings of Jesus. And as he put it, Jesus’ “philosophy” was the greatest that had ever existed. Jefferson was very doubtful of miracles and I don’t know that he ever accepted Salvation, which is a core tenet that truly defines a Christian, but he was most certainly not an atheist and it’s quite ironic when atheists quote him.

    I couldn’t care less about what Hassan-i Sabbah had to say.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Skyler-Sneathen/100001205612843 Skyler Sneathen

     Socialism – the state owns the means of production
    Communism – the workers own the means of production

    I don’t like either but please get it right. They are not interchangeable.

  • americanathlete

    Can’t Argue With That!!!

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Death

  • americanathlete

    Are you serious??? You’ve gotta be one of the stupidest people on earth — look around you…No God??? How the hell can you say that with so much evidence!!!!!!! When Jesus Christ comes you’ll change your tune…of course you’ll probably be destroyed. You won’t be able to live in his presence! His Glory will be way too great for your mortal eyes to bear!!!

  • Gristle McThornbody

    You are not obtaining anything you seek by pretending to know what happens after your final exit.

    Thinking that something lies in the infinite abyss is the perverse notion of those who secretly want to die.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    I see no evidence.

    When Jesus comes back, we’ll kill him again.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason
    -Benjamin Franklin

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Trent Reznor is an atheist. 

    You might like his side-project, How to Destroy Angels

  • Anonymous

     Then death is not subjective.  Try to stop dying.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    I shall.

  • Anonymous

     I don’t believe in atheists!

  • Anonymous

    So you admit that you are a murderer at heart. Thank you for revealing your true (lack of) character in these various comments.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    You’re most welcome.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Someday? Keep waiting.

  • Anonymous

    “And have we now forgotten that powerful Friend? or do we imagine we no longer need its assistance? I have lived, Sir, a long time; and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this Truth, that God governs in the Affairs of Men. And if a Sparrow cannot fall to the Ground without his Notice, is it probable that an Empire can rise without his Aid?” — Benjamin Franklin (Motion for Prayers in the Constitutional Convention, 28 June 1787)

  • Anonymous

     We do every day.  Including those who see no evidence.

  • Anonymous

    Close your eyes and see for the first time.

  • Take 2

    The bulk of educators are Liberal Progressives.

    The BIG problem is Conservatives lacking to understand Moses Law dealing with harden heartened segments of The Tribe – POD i.e. full embodiment of all American’s. 

    Progressives fizz melt and blow away if Conservatives not everyone wants or goes to Church.   
      

  • Gristle McThornbody

    The explanation for your evidence might not be as compelling as you truly need to believe:

    http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_22_3_cott.pdf

    If some good evidence for life after death were announced, I’d be eager to examine it; but it would have to be real scientific data, not mere anecdote. As with the face on Mars and alien abductions, better the hard truth, I say, than the comforting fantasy. -Carl Sagan

  • John

    Semantics only. Socialism and communism are the same. The ONLY difference is a matter of degree. To try to say they are different is a to lie to ones self. Also a person who can make that statement has never actually seen what life is like under either. Evil is the only word that describes life under socialism/communism.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Skyler-Sneathen/100001205612843 Skyler Sneathen

     Just never fucking mind. I’d argue there’s a difference between a wooden and an aluminum bat but there too you fucks would be like “exactly the same thing, they’re used for beating up black ppl.”

  • Anonymous

    Nixon and Bush Sr, progressives?

    It’s interesting that you make the difference between liberals and progressive, most of the people who comment on here don’t make on know that differentiation you make either.  Since I get called “a dam liberal” all the time, I certainly don’t follow progressivism.

  • Anonymous

    another way to express the sentiment behind the Hassan-i Sabbah quote is,  “do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law “. this is a satanic quote and belief held by it’s practioners. it is not a coincidence that atheists and those knowingly involved in the occult share the same philosophy.    

  • Anonymous

    God Bless you. Thank you for your offering. I am from here. I do know our history and despite our failures, I love America. The reason why other natural born Americans do not like our Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation and out entire American Revolution time period is because they have been convinced by communists/progressives/liberals, whatever label they prefer, to dislike their own country and simultaneously consider socialism as a alternative. It is sad. The greatest country in the history of the world, that considers the Citizen a King, endowed by His Creator with rights, is infested by this disease. A government system that is restrained and allows the people to own property and prosper due to their talents and work ethic. WOW!  This is great!  Incidentally, I was present in a Naturalization Ceremony for new American Citizens to take their oath of allegiance. The people were from over a hundred countries and stood and cheered when our National Anthem was sung, etc.. I had a lump in my throat and tears in my eyes. They didn’t sneak in here to sponge off our society or blow anything up.

  • Anonymous

    Socialism is the government control of the economy. a communist is a socialist in a hurry.
    you can’t possibly believe that the workers in a given factory in a communist country own the means of production. do you? it sounds benevolent. Imagine the workers in China, Cuba or Russia before 1990 for example…if they had told the man we’re doing xyz to make more profit they would’ve been educated very quickly who, in fact, was in charge. these terms, when you boil the fat off are interchangeable. the sooner you get your mind around that factoid, the sooner you’ll realize how far reaching their influence actually is. ie. intelligentsia, academics/colleges, media, entertainment, law/legislature/government offices.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Skyler-Sneathen/100001205612843 Skyler Sneathen

     Again I do not agree with communism, the idea of it is stupid. But communism is also classless and stateless, there is no government. Under socialism there is. Communism wishes to purge almost everything, returning man back to a natural world or so they claim.

  • northierthanthou.com

    Translation: ‘Progressive’ is all the bad stuff. And thus complex issues are swept under carpet of a basic word game. Yipeee!

  • Anonymous

    Dante said of those subjected to the “Inferno,”:  “They yearn for what they fear.”  By pretending to have full conviction, based on the assurance that you are backed by science and reason that God doesn’t exist, you will thereby be relegated to a place where God doesn’t exist once you die.  You are not an idiot because you don’t believe in God.  You’re an idiot because you think you have proof.  When you follow atheism and moral relativism to their logical conclusions, you will end up confounded by an epiphany…if everything is subjective, then how does atheism embody a more credible conviction than Christianity?

  • Anonymous

    Skyler, you are way out of your depth.  The wisest thing for you to do is not speak until you know what you are talking about.  Socialism and Communism are truly only political terms of degree, just like the terms “left wing” and “right wing” can both be terms used for good or bad, depending on your political views, for better or for worse.  Socialism is usually a label reserved for any faction in any world government advocating for the heavy taxing of the privileged gentry in order to fund social programs.  Socialism is ALWAYS a leftward movement (politically speaking) and can usually be referred to as a movement or an ideal as much as a form of government.  Communism is the actual endgame/goal of any “Progressive Socialist.”  It is the furthest left that any government can move politically.  Many people have been quite literally slaughtered in the name of Communism, but the executioners called themselves “Socialists” while they were still lobbying for power.  “Communism” as the word itself indicates, leaves no room for anyone to own anything, much less a worker owning the means of production.

  • Anonymous

    God also considers himself to be the sole proprietor of political power and eschewed anything relating to partisan politics.  Politics stray from God’s most simple and important individual mandate…to LOVE one another.

  • garyge

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  • JMail

    Humm… Seems that religion is a matter of faith…  a choice to believe…  Atheism like Christianity like Science all require your choice to believe what you are told and do not see as true… faith.  So why do Atheist beliefs get protection and allowed to be advanced by the US Government?  I am certain the US government is prohibited from establishing a religion.  Answer: Progressive agenda.