The below post was written by Srinivas Rao, the author, surfer, and entrepreneur Glenn had on the program yesterday. The post was written for Rao’s audience, but Glenn thought it gave a real behind-the-scenes look at a surprising guest who found that he had more in common with Glenn than he would have expected.
I got to the airport in Dallas yesterday afternoon. My friend Marcus called me after we had exchanged a few text messages and asked, “So are you a Republican now?” He’s also the guy who was in the Tijuana high speed car chase with me. Considering the only thing I really know about politics is who our current president is, I found it amusing that he asked me about political preferences… (but we’ll get back to that)
If you haven’t kept up with what I affectionately will refer to as the “Glenn Beck Saga”, let me recap:
Glenn stumbled upon my latest book on Amazon. He read it and raved it about on the air. The sales went through the roof in a day. I only knew this because somebody on Twitter mentioned it. My response initially was, “Oh, he’s kind of big right?” When I saw how much the sales of my book had gone up, I decided to email Glenn directly. That led to an unlikely media appearance in a place I never thought I’d find myself: Across the desk from Glenn talking about The Art of Being Unmistakable.
In a few days all my world’s collided: 7 years in Texas, John North High School, Berkeley, the jobs I got fired from, Pepperdine, surfing, and the blogosphere. I guess you could say I have a few different circles, and I’m what Malcolm Gladwell might call a connector.
On Friday, I got an invitation from Glenn’s producer to be on the show, and late that afternoon I got an email from Glenn that would stun most of you. (I’ll ask Glenn if I can share it with you).
He said that him touting my book was a double edged sword. I didn’t even realize that until I saw the response from some of you who I’m friends with on Facebook. After all, I have the pop culture taste of a teenage girl. Most of my television choices consist of what’s on the CWTV.
After a few Google searches fn “Glenn Beck”, I made a deliberate choice not to read anything. I didn’t want what other people had said to make me walk into this experience with a preconceived perception of him. I wanted to see him as a person, not a persona. My friend Aaron Curtis said, “You have more in common than you think with this guy.”
Some people say things that piss us off. But Glenn has a bigger microphone than you or I so it echoes. The media creates a mask and the echo changes. People hear what they want to hear. They confuse a person with persona. The echo of a larger microphone amplifies this. It’s like a game of telephone where the original words keep changing through filters, opinions, and articles until you’ve got groups of people who absolutely despise you.
I’m sure Glenn has said plenty of controversial things. Whether we agree or not is kind of irrelevant to this situation. One of the first Wikipedia entries I read kind of horrified me. And that was the end of my research.
I’m sure I’ve said something that pissed off a listener of my show, but the echo doesn’t have a multiplier of 30 million people. If it did, I’m sure I’d have my critics, haters, and more. The book already got a 1-star review and a 2-star review. I’ve already been written off with phrases like “any hippie surfer could have done this.”
James Altucher said, “Who cares about the politics? Your book just became a best-seller. Remember that these are people who are just doing their jobs.” I just got a big break after 5 years, and I have nothing but gratitude for that.
I want to tell you about my day with Glenn Beck the person, not the persona
I first met his staff to talk about the book , my work, and the future I see coming. And this odd pairing resulted in a common ideal.
In a moment like that you think: The world must be ending. I’m in the office of a guy who has strange historical memorabilia hanging on the walls and likes to hunt. If it were my office, it would be pictures of Laird Hamilton surfing 70-foot waves and other crazy surf-related stuff. This is bizarre. I guess we both love carrot cake.
But what we shared is an ideal that transcends politics or religion. My friend Justine Musk said, ” Yeah, you’re both mavericks.”
And it is the idea of the maverick, the misfit, the instigator that put me in front of the camera with an unlikely man who just handed me a defining moment in my career. And what will stun you is that maybe you have more in common with him than you realize. Maybe we all do. It’s your inner misfit but some of us have just unleashed it.
As David Risley pointed out, Glenn is a content marketer, and a pretty damn good one. Another friend said, “Srini, you’ve wanted to build a media empire, here’s an opportunity to learn from a guy who has done it.”
We’re not that different.
We have a message.
We want to share it.
But the people we want to reach might be different.
What I see is a guy who is as flawed, human, and vulnerable as most of us. I point blank asked him, “Where does this reputation you have come from?”
He answered honestly.
He admitted faults in things he has said.
The mask started to fade.
And after all the lights faded, cameras were gone, and the show was over, I found myself sitting in Glenn’s office where the mask completely disappeared. This was my favorite part of the day because now I got to see the person, not the persona.
I learned about his early career and his success at a young age: Magazine covers, lots of money, and the path to stardom. He told me that I’m on the verge of something really big, but also gave me a warning that there will be plenty of dark alleys that it could take me down. He told me about his spectacular downfalls and how ego got in the way.
Then he told me a story that really made me laugh. He and Michael Buble are friends. When they became friends, Michael was about as well known as I am. And apparently Michael got punched in the face because he mentioned that Glenn was a friend. Glenn’s list of friends might surprise you too. Some of them are your heroes, role models, and people you look up to.
I sat and listened. I asked him the question I ask at the end of every BlogcastFM interview: What separates the people who get to where you are from the ones who don’t? Risk and hard work. As I said last week, nothing of great significance is achieved by playing it safe.
My choices have come with plenty of stigma, doubt, disbelief and that’s going to be amplified. Our critics can either become our identity, or we can silence them with our actions, our commitment, and our grit. My friend Jaclyn Muellen said it takes a high level of self awareness to handle things when you have a microphone as loud as Glenn’s.
I asked him how to avoid destroying your success and letting your ego come back into it.
He talked about religion.
I talked about surfing.
In business school I made a terrible decision that cemented my reputation for the entirety of my time at Pepperdine. I cut people out of a project because I was selfish, and I paid the price for it. I had few friends left by graduation. It’s taken 5 years, but I see the error in judgement. I don’t ever expect these people to trust me. You know who you are. That was my ego. It wasn’t me.
Then I told Glenn, “You know, the only reason I did any of this was because I wanted nothing more than to surf everyday. I knew nothing would make me happier than to have a great family, surf everyday, and do work I enjoyed. If I lived comfortably and had all that, it would be enough.”
And he said, “The minute that stops being true is when you should quit and walk away.”
And one final thought. I was asked once if I’ve ever had an “I’ve made it moment.” To that my answer is still no. The minute “you’ve made it”, you’re hosed. Carolyn Messere, the editor who deserves more credit than you can possibly imagine, told me, “Don’t ever forget that guy who was celebrating 360 copies sold.”
The reward that comes from this is I get to do what I’ve always wanted to: Create things with my own two hands, things that maybe you’re changed by, touched by, and moved by. Today we’re off to see a venue for the Instigator Experience. Fortunately, I won’t have to persuade any brides to change their wedding date because the one we’re looking at is available.
So no, I’m not a Republican. What I see is a guy who made deliberate choices to build something. He’s an entrepreneur, a misfit, a maverick, and I got to see under the mask that you do. You might be surprised by what you see.