Glenn reacts to the stunning update in the Justina Pelletier case

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In a shocking ruling, a Massachusetts judge ruled Tuesday Justina Pelletier – the Connecticut teen who has been in the custody of the Massachusetts Department of Children and Families for over a year – will remain in the custody of the Massachusetts Department of Children and Families.

As TheBlaze reported, Suffolk County juvenile court Judge Joseph Johnston granted “permanent” custody DCF. This decision was in response to a motion filed by Justina’s parents, Lou and Linda Pelletier, and her court-appointed lawyer for a “conditional custody” plan. Until this point, DCF only had temporary custody of Justina. That temporary custody had been in effect since February 2013.

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“The judge has ruled for permanent custody to go to the state,” Glenn said on radio this morning. “Now, how is that even possible? Two weeks ago, they said to the DCF that they had to prepare to move her to Tufts and prepare her to move back with her family. Two weeks later, he says the exact opposite? Something is wrong here.”

Justina’s parents plan to pursue all options to reverse the court’s latest decision, and it should be noted that the term “permanent” is not quite as finite as it may sound.

Yesterday, the Pelletier family’s spokesman, Rev. Patrick Mahoney, told TheBlaze that, in his understanding, the ruling is not meant to imply that Justina will never be returned to her parents.

“It’s not a lie, but it’s not 100 percent accurate,” Mahoney told TheBlaze. “In putting the word ['permanent'] out without explaining it, it appears to the casual reader that somehow the Pelletiers have completely lost of Justina until she’s 18 years old and that’s not the case.”

At this point, many are probably questioning the role of the parent’s in this case. After all, how could something this sensational actually happen in America? Glenn maintained, however, that in all his and his staff’s dealings with the family, there have been no red flags.

“The Department of Children and Families have been to this family’s house,” Glenn explained. “If this family were so monstrous, they would remove the other daughter who has the same disorder… They would remove the 95-year-old grandmother. There’s something wrong here, and it’s not with the family.”

Late last night, Judge Joseph Johnston’s ruling was published by the Boston Globe and also provided to TheBlaze anonymously. The ruling sheds some light onto the reasoning behind the “huge” decision. TheBlaze’s Jason Howerton isolated four key details from the document, which are outlined below:

4. The judge argues that “credible psychiatric and medical evidence” suggests that Justina Pelletier suffers from a “persistent and severe Somatic Symptom Disorder,” not mitochondrial disease as she was diagnosed with previously.

Justina “is a child in need of care and protection… due to the conduct and inability of her parents, Linda Pelletier and Lou Pelletier, to provide for Justina’s necessary and proper physical, mental, and emotional development,” the ruling states.

3. Justina’s parents “significantly hampered” DCF’s efforts to find a “suitable placement” for the girl, according to the ruling. The parents, obviously, want their daughter to come home with them instead.
“While Justina was at Children’s Hospital, the parents were verbally abusive to Justina’s hospital providers. Family members of other patients complained that Justina’s parents stated their children were being kidnapped by Children’s Hospital,” the ruling says. “They threatened to call the F.B.I. They called hospital personnel “Nazis” and claimed the hospital was punishing and killing Justina.”

The court also accuses the parents of using “profanity” directed at DCF personnel.

2. The judge has determined “placement of Justina in the conditional custody of her parents is not in her best interests at this time.”

Judge Johnston officially ordered Justina into the custody of DCF, “subject to the parties’ right to review and redetermination” six months from the adjudication on Dec. 20, 2013.


1. Psychological and clinical evaluations of Justina’s parents, Lou and Linda Pelletier, are “necessary.”

However, the judge declined to order the evaluations to be conducted by the Boston Juvenile Court Clinic.

“These are evaluations, along with other services, that must be coordinated by the CT DCF for this Connecticut facility,” the order states.

Ultimately, a young girl’s life hangs in the balance, and Glenn urged his audience to continue to pray for Justina and her family.

“It’s not just this case. There is a real problem with DCF. A real deep problem with DCF,” Glenn concluded. “I don’t know what’s wrong. But I beg you to pray.”

Read the entire ruling below:

Justina Pelletier ruling

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  • Anonymous

    This is the story of a tragedy. I feel so sorry for the child and the adults on all sides who apparently cannot figure out how to best care for this child. The long term psychological damage of this ordeal on all members of the family will be significant.

    However, I feel that this story must have another side. Extraordinary court orders such as this, do not happen without some credible evidence. What Glen has selectively left out, may help to balance the story. First, the guardian ad litem, who is court appointed to represent the interests of the child, concluded that conditional placement with the family was not in the child’s best interests at this time. The guardian ad litem only represents the child’s best interests. Second, the opinion states that at trial there was “extensive medical and psychiatric testimony. Voluminous medical and psychiatric records were entered into evidence.” The court found that the MA DCF met the high standard of “clear and convincing evidence” that Justina was in need of protection under the statute and her parents were not capable. Not a mere preponderance of the evidence. So, the evidence entered by the family attorneys must have paled by comparison to the evidence entered by the state. For the public, the Order does not contain findings of fact. Perhaps the Judge did not include specific findings of fact in order to protect some of the confidentiality that remains; the certified record to the appellate court had better include such findings or this order is subject to be overturned. The appellate court will look under a microscope and is capable of substituting its judgment for whether there was a “clear and convincing evidence” that Justina remain under the custody of the MA DCF. No judge issues an order knowing that it will be overturned on appeal. No judge takes a case like this lightly; there must be something up here that we the public do not know.

    I was concerned when I saw Liberty Counsel attempt to enter the fray. They undercut the temporary agreement that had been reached between the family’s original attorneys and the Guardian ad litem for conditional custody in Connecticut; by filing a pleading stating that only complete custody at home would be acceptable, they left the Court no option. Rarely, if ever, does the involvement of national counsel (with missions statements, and political and religious agendas), help the individuals who already have experienced local counsel, know the Judge, the clients and the opposing parties. So, third, last minute involvement of Liberty Counsel, and an attempt to be admitted pro hac vice by a Massachusetts attorney who is a zealot for certain causes, but has been disciplined twice by the Massachusetts courts, was likely to backfire, and it did.

    a fairly balanced story up to December 2013 was presented in the Boston Globe. It bears reading.

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/15/justina/vnwzbbNdiodSD7WDTh6xZI/story.html

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72EnfFysPFE Connor

    My friend was taken from his parents based on rumors passed in school so please do not tell me stuff like this does not happen.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72EnfFysPFE Connor

    Well that is great news.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry to hear about your friend. Custody errors are made every day for many reasons. I am only commenting on this case based on what I read in the Boston Globe and the Order of the court. Bostonians are better versed than I in the ways of the Children’s Hospital and the increasing frequency of the so called somatoform disorder diagnosis. it appears to be controversial at best; as is the diagnosis of the mitochondrial disease. But there appears to be another side of the story that is not public, given the nature of the proceeding. The parts of the story that are troubling are 1)Tufts never confirmed the mito diagnosis with a muscle cell biopsy; 2) the child essentially went into the fetal position in the presence of her mother during the Children’s evaluative phase. I suspect there are many other findings in the records that we the public will never know. The appeal may help to shed light on this.
    On another point, I think Beck going off on this whole “the government wants to run our lives” conspiracy is irresponsible–no one gains by the decisions that have been made in this case–not Children’s, not MADCF, not Tufts. So the conspiracy and turning it into a case for Liberty Counsel has not helped the child at all–it has backfired. What polemicists like Beck forget is that their cause is rarely the cause of the impacted individual. A guaranteed rule in my life experience–if you want to get someone’s back up–bring on the media circus. And on a technical note, exactly how many child custody cases has Matt Staver argued on the local level?
    I can only pray for Julia and her family.

  • smarterthanthat

    I’m just wondering why no one is talking about the child’s physical condition, which seems to be deteriorating under the care she is under now and addressing the issue of why she isn’t enrolled in some sort of schooling. And don’t you wonder about the care she was getting at Tufts, prior to this hospitalization? And the fact that they are now being allowed to take over her care? If it is just the parents behavior after they took their child away, I can tell you if it was my child, I would have been anything but nice!!!!

  • RogueZebra

    How would a mbx help the dx, since only shows the muscle functionality level, not genetic proof that BCH expects from all mito patients? Since she could ice skate before these events, and her symptoms were mostly GI, a MUSCLE bx doesn’t make any sense.

  • John Arndt

    REALLY FOLKS,whatever the parents were doing before with Tufts, seemed to have made a happy family. Now, nobody is happy and the gal is ill. It really is that simple. I have yet to hear how her previous treatment was killing her, but it apparent that the new treatment is costing a whole lot of money and creating a whole lot of grief and the girl is getting worse!!!! What he heck is going on. it should be obvious and over by now. that judge is an idiot.

  • Shawn Cameron

    “On another point, I think Beck going off on this whole “the government wants to run our lives” conspiracy is irresponsible”

    Well said. But that’s how he makes his money.

  • Holly Leeming

    As a Judge has stipulated in the court order the both Lou and Linda Pellitier are ordered to take a psychologist evaluation by a DCF appointed psychologist, that this Psychologist bias will be in favour of the DCF. So I predict after this family is evaluated the psychologist will come up with a conclusion that Both Lou and Linda are both unfit to raise Justina, I believe this will be how they make there case for permanently placing this child in the custody of DCF after the next court hearing. They want to discredit this family and DCF is trying to save face. I also agree as long as this child is in custody of DCF there is a very good chance this child will die in DCF care. People need to face the facts all we are to the goverment is potential money in their pockets. And DCF workers live quite well off of our children.

  • Leland Bartlett

    Here is the problem with all of this in my mind. The state is acting as the guardian to the child, ruling in favor of the state over the parents. I have not read anything the parents have done, other than take their children to the hospital to get taken care of and by doing so, doing the right thing, lose the rights to their child? The challenge is, where will the state draw the line to take away your child. We are in a time of where we are punishing the innocent, we are judging our neighbors, we have split as a community, we have transferred our rights to the state. If the parents were to do something wrong, I might understand, but the hospital did not listen to them and the parents knew more than the hospital. And what is worse, the hospital would not talk to the doctors who treated her before – it’s all wrong folks. When will the state take your child next?

  • Anonymous

    Unrighteous dominion at it’s finest.
    DCF and this judge are nothing but a bunch of kidnappers, liars, and filthy con-men.

  • Holly Leeming

    Just curious where have you come up with this information? Also you obviously know very little about this case due to the fact that this case is all over the Internet, Facebook, you tube and twitter, and you don’t even know the child’s name. It is JUSTINA not JULIA just want to make sure you pray for the right child. Your Probably a DCF worker and if so it’s no wonder they make so many mistakes.

  • http://suzeraining.wordpress.com/ suz

    sepsis is the infection on justina’s stomach.

    i believe the judge has been handsomely paid off and/or threatened. if we assert this, then it makes sense. in fact, it’s the only thing that makes sense.

    why would this be ‘necessary?’ because this facility has been so egregiously careless and/or experimental that they have no legal standing. the government knows this, therefore they cannot set any precedence and let justina go back to either tuft’s or her family. otherwise they have to deal w/the plethora of law suites which will put them out of business and expose them for WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON WHICH IS hiding government experiments a la MENGELE. they’ve been working on behalf of the government to screw around w/otherwise young, healthy individuals they deem would be good candidates for such experiments. sure they have this waiver/release/agreement indicating “experiments” may be done, but to what extent? what they are actually doing would have to be revealed and the government cannot have that happen.

    of course they need to throw all kinds of ‘extenuating circumstances’ and convoluted explanations to keep us all guessing and confused but the real answer is described above.

  • Right wing

    Mr Pelletier stated on FOX that one of the two doctors who made the diagnosis at Boston Children’s was only out of his residency for six months. The other one was a psychologist, also young. Experience is a great teacher and these doctors may come to see the value of a family setting to an ill child, as well as regret their actions with further experience and knowledge. The diagnosis they made usually takes years, per Mr. Pettetier, but was made in Justina’s case in just 12 hours. She has been denied schooling and religious instruction for over a year now. The family is allowed one hour per week visit with armed guards. She has missed holidays and birthdays with her family. Is it any wonder they may have lost their tempers with the people at Boston’s? What parent would react any differently under these circumstances?

  • SL

    Actually the order specifically states that that will NOT happen. No DCF evaluation of the parents.

  • Anonymous

    Something most definitely is wrong here , it just doesn’t make any sense.
    I feel so bad for her parents . This must be undone , somehow before we see more cases like this and is this some kind of result from Obamacare on our system ?

  • SL

    Apparently no one here reads. The Connecticut DCF ALSO found abuses by the parents and reccomended removal. They refused to accept Justina back from Mass. however.
    If you understand the sentiments of the courts in these cases, there are 2 significant red flags here,

    First, as I mentioned the Ct DCF ALSO found significant problems with the parents.
    In addition, a forensic psychologist agreed (none of this is dispositive, but it does not look good).

    The second and perhaps even more critical “strike” is that during the supervised visits, the court stated that it appeared the parents were less interested in visiting with Justina, than they were in venting to everyone involved and tipping the media off to the visits.

    Their anger is understandable, but any good lawyer would have told them that their time with Justina must be peaceful and quiet.

    As for her becoming sicker (no one here has any way to deny or verify this) it is quite possible that her parents anger is simply being reflected by Justina in her health, which is very common in these situations.

  • Michael Blaes

    The key word is alleged. The powers that be don’t even have to prove anything.

  • Anonymous

    How tragic.

  • Holly Leeming

    I am glad to hear that, one less thing for them to have to be concerned with.

  • Guest

    SL i don’t believe you are paying attention to what everyone else is saying. We don’t care what DCF says. The state hasa CONFLICT OF INTEREST in keeping the child from the parents in that it creates a “need” for expansion of the DCF, its budget, and the growing amount of DCF workers. They are driven by their ideology. And your criticism of the parent’s behavior is based in the self-righteous dogma of the “child protection” agenda The DCF is pushing the Pelletiers’ buttons, making ideological based accusations of the Pelletiers that appear accurate when in reality it is all a TRAP. These parents have every right to be mad as heck- their kid is taken from them- i’d bust some heads too and so should every parent- and they shouldn’t have to act “peaceful” when their daughter’s life is in the line.
    Stop trying to shift blame. This entire story, is not about what the Pelletiers have wrong with them, but what’s wrong with the entire governement based social work system.

  • Holly Leeming

    How were they supposed to give her more attention when they were only permitted I hour 1 day a week. That sounds like it is more out of spite to me due to the fact this family drew media attention to DHSs unethical practices. When I lost my children CPS moved them out into the middle of nowhere knowing full well I had no means of transportation to see them, this was in order to hold me accountable for neglect. Years later I became freinds with the woman who was fostering them and came to find out the CPS worker told her if anyone in my family wanted to see my kinds to make an excuse as to why we couldn’t see them, we lived in a very small town. And who are they hearing this from, the biased hospital staff, or the corrupt DHS it is all hearsay. And any good parent that loves their child would have flipped, maybe, the judge and DHS are heartless.

  • Shawn Cameron

    I have seen this time and time again. Abusers, pedophiles and drug addicts crying victim to the media when child services removes their children from them. I can’t say that’s the case here because I don’t know all the facts, funny thing is neither do all the others commenting because DCF is bound by confidentiality. The people commenting know nothing of how child services works, nor do they care. Pavlov (Beck) rings his bell and they all bark.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve seen and heard of far too many instances of Child Protective Services misusing and abusing their authority. They have made themselves like Inquisitors and people are scared to stand up to them.

  • Anonymous

    The order states the evaluations should be coordinated by CT DCF.

  • Anonymous

    I would have been so angry if it was my child…you can be sure I would have directed “profanity” at hospital and DCF, as they allege. How could a parent not be that angry?
    It burns me also that they have denied her the right to see a priest as well. I assume she has not been allowed the sacraments of Holy Communion and Confession. How is this possible? Does she not have religious rights?

  • Anonymous

    I read the entire ruling.
    Basically the State is assuming that they are the primary guardians, and they are treating the Pelletiers as if Justina is merely a privilege that is provided by the State.

    Every point this court has made in this ruling is totally irrelevant. It doesn’t matter that the Pelletiers were aggressive (and who wouldn’t be?).
    It’s like a thief trying to justify his thievery because the proper owner was “mean” to him! It’s totally insane!

    Also, parents have the right to seek, or not seek, any medical treatment they want for their family. Someone’s opinion should never over-rule the rights of any parents.

  • isis5551

    Guess you do not have children or grandchildren. Your “exuses” are pathetic. My child would never have been in that “research lab” this long. Maybe you should do your homework on this research facility. Here, let me help you, if you have a brain cell…..your ignorance is showing.

    http://susanknowles.com/wordpress/?p=1619
    OR….just type in your search bar…..www.freejustina.com You will find many horror stories about Boston Childrens Hospital. Same goes for you Shawn Cameron.
    The rest that is no coming through is, the full word wordpress/?p=1619

  • Holly Leeming

    Really Shawn Cameron where does Abusers, Pedophiles and drug addicts even fit into this case. Yeah your right you know nothing about this case, just thought you’d come around and make any arrogant comment you want off the top of your head, may make you look smart, guess what it didn’t. DCF bound by confidentiality what a crock. Do you really think that this family is the only one to have issues with these people. The people here know nothing about child service workers, think again. My family was freinds with a child service worker, she used to tell us about all her happy times working in the system. ( that was a bit of sarcasm, in case you had an issue figuring that out). So if you want to have any credibility in these delusional comments you are making, either do you research on the topic you are commenting about, Or find something you know how to do, have you learned to ride a tricycle yet.

  • isis5551

    Pffffffftttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Read article from isis5551 above!!!!!!!!!

  • Holly Leeming

    So I was right.

  • isis5551

    How do you make your money? Must be physical labor, because it’s mot definitely not from using your brains. Just sayin! And…..the government IS intrusive. More like socialistic to be exact. Beck is spot on. You? Not so much!

  • Holly Leeming

    I totally agree, and any good parent would lose their mind if this were to happen to them. It is like having your heart ripped out. DCF should never been able to have this much power.

  • isis5551

    Or…..you can go here and sign this petition:

    http://grassfire.com/2014/03/shocking-update-on-justina/

  • apophis

    People. WISE UP. Massachusetts allows foster children, (kids in DCF care), to be experimented on by hospitals. This girl MUST die to avoid the lawsuit and the publicity that would happen if SHE could speak openly. Some doctor, paid a dcf employee to keep her in custody. The judge knows and is agreeing to help cover it up. The governor of Connecticut (where she is a citizen), needs to mobilize a NG swat team and black-hawk and get this poor child. She will be dead before long. Where are the local red-necks with equalizers.

  • Secretly the Saviours

    DCF and this judge are simply a bunch of liars, kidnappers and are only interested in keeping their “control” with fear and forced compliancy. We should defund them all and demand drug and alcohol tests for all public employees as has been unconstitutionally forced on the public. If they refuse to “comply” their tests should come back an administrative positive just as they do to us.

  • Elaine Langbehn

    This absolutely breaks my heart for what this family is being put through. When I heard about this yesterday, I was angry beyond words!! What can be done to help this family in order to get Justina back to her family? Is the judge insane? This young lady will not survive under DCF. Something is wrong with the the judge and most definitely DCF!!!!

  • Shawn Cameron

    “When I lost my children CPS moved them out into the middle of nowhere knowing full well I had no means of transportation to see them”

    Figures, another “victim” I’m sure. Every DCF client is a “loving parent that has been abused by the system” just like every one in prison will tell you they are innocent. So what’s your excuse for losing your children? Wait don’t tell me, I’ve heard it a million times.

    As far as your “friend” being happy working in the system, at what point did I say child services had “happy” jobs, they have to deal with people like you, why on Earth would they be happy?

    Since you obviously could not pass 2nd grade reading let me repeat what I said about abusers, pedophiles and drug addicts;

    ” I can’t say that’s the case here because I don’t know all the facts”

    So you see I did not say it had anything to do with this case, I was just commenting that I have seen these stories before and have been on the other side of one. Therefore I always view them with skepticism. As I said I don’t have all the facts. Neither do you because, as I stated DCF is bound by confidentiality, I don’t expect someone who cannot spell the word “friends” correctly to understand confidentiality rules.

  • Chuck T

    Naziism, communism…they didn’t die, didn’t get defeated. They merely went underground, and immigrated to America. Most people won’t really pay attention to cases like this (yes, there are others), until THEY become the target. Each case they’re allowed to get away with paved the ground for more in the near future. We ARE the frogs in the pot.

  • independent thinker

    It would be poetic justice if a group of ex Seals got together and took the girl from the so called authorities, returned her to her parents, and whisked the whole family to a safe location.

  • Anonymous

    Dear Lemming (I mean Leeming, sorry for the typo, as in my Julia typo above–you might notice the Justina reference in my first comment). I used to reside in Boston, still read the Globe and Herald daily and have followed this case long before Beck championed it. Second, I am the proud godfather to two kids who came out of foster care in SE Mass and were adopted by my sister.I have also had experience working with juvenile and orphan’s court in my adopted state of Pennsylvania. So I am familiar with the role of the guardian ad litem and some of the workings of the system. And yes I am well aware of the many problems facing MADCF.

    Last time I checked, God does not dispense mercy or rather forego it based on typos–wonder why it irks you so?

    If all you have is an insult, then why bother commenting?

  • Anonymous

    not a doctor here–other doctors have raised the point.

  • Anonymous

    I do wonder about the care she was receiving at Tufts. I also wonder why the Order does not discuss her physical condition at the present. My only point is there has to be some really compelling evidence for the court to keep the child form the parents. The appellate court will let everyone know, hopefully on an expedited basis, if the judge was correct or out of bounds.

  • Anonymous

    the hospitals have chaplains right? or is this a nonreligious hospital??? something very wrong here…parents in mass. don’t take your kids there …please boycott the hospital…

  • Anonymous

    yes..what other sins is the hospital trying to hide…sad…

  • Anonymous

    she is not a little child…can they get her out without permission..??

  • Anonymous

    the lawyers are kidnapping this child..if theycare about her let her go back to Conn. doctors.. how could more experienced doctors be wrong…
    or get another opinion….from different hospital…

  • Anonymous

    Justine…not Julia.and you are wrong..parents need to be treated correctly also…

  • SL

    Reread what I wrote. In that hour, when you would expect them to be fully focused on trying to spend as much time with their daughter as possible, they were doing everything BUT. THAT’S the courts point. It’s not how much time they had with her, but what they did IN that time.
    That’s what the judge is saying. That they seemed more concerned with arguing with everyone and NOT Justina.

  • Anonymous

    Some have an agenda with Glenn more than this poor child and her family…sad…Glenn got to speak with the Dad …none of us have … you can see he is upset…I would be too..a sad day…this is not the way to heal someone who Is ill….

  • SL

    Actually, I think YOU didn’t pay attention to either the decision OR to what I wrote. It’s NOT a conflict of interest for CONNECTICUT.
    The ALSO, as in NOT ONE, but TWO states came to the same conclusion about the parents. Okay?
    I have, me, myself, have NO IDEA what the truth is. That was not my point.
    I did not criticize ANYONE. You are so driven by YOUR agenda, that you simply didn’t read what I wrote. What I did was give the COURT’s reasoning, which everyone here, including you, is simply WRONG about.

    Okay?

  • SL

    Exactly. We have NO IDEA what the facts are. However, 2 states have come to same conclusion.

  • SL

    Not quite, as the judge clearly states that Ct has refused jurisdiction in the case. Thus, no order.
    And a Mass judge has no authority over Ct DCF so there is no order.

  • Anonymous

    so sorry for your sufferings.. how would anyone be able to see their child … sad…all people are suffering in Justina’s family too…Conn. is far…and this winter has been awful

  • Anonymous

    and big lies too…

  • Anonymous

    I remember what gov. workers did to mentally ill….back when the institutions
    were open…horror stories…so don’t tell me everyone is on the up and up…some people are wrong in diagnosis’s…

  • Keith Pallo

    The above is why the next American Revolution/Civil War is going to start in New England in either Conn. or Mass.!! These states have gone over to big government in a big way that would make our Founders roll over in their collective graves!! When Conn. starts the SWAT no knock warrants to seize guns and ends up killing people combined with these government employees who think we are there to serve them will cause the powderkeg to explode. It is coming and sooner than we all think!! Obama and his minions are pushing Conn. to start the confiscation as a test to see how the people will react. If they are sheepish about fighting confiscation it will spread!! If they fight back a state of emergency will be declared and with Posse Comitatus no longer being law will allow Obama to use the Guard or the army to suppress the uprising!! Hence the opening for Martial Law!!!

  • http://thedoctorwhocurescancer.com/ TheDoctorWhoCuresCancer

    BS! Your entire first response was an an apologist for the state. For the record, the judge’s opinion are not facts.

    The fact is that Justina’s doctor had provided a diagnosis. The parents were following that diagnosis and Justina was thriving as a result.

    It wasn’t until a doctor, who was attempting to do research on a different disease, glommed onto Justina and insisted she had a psychological or psychiatric condition.

    He was able to enlist DCF to act as interference to kidnap Justina from her parents.

    Since then, under that doctor’s care, Justina’s health has deteriorated. She used to ice skate and cheer lead. But her imprisonment and drug poisoning has left her confined to a wheelchair.

    There was no evidence of parental abuse or neglect prior to her capture by the researcher.

    You meanwhile have accepted whole cloth that the parents were rude to the DCF and hospital staff. Well, did it ever occur to you the shock they experienced when they saw their daughter sinking deeper and deeper into invalid status? How would you react if your beautiful vibrant daughter sank into disability before their very eyes due to the terrible treatment she was receiving from strangers who punch a time clock?

  • Anonymous

    Flawed logic, Glenn.

    The other daughter may legitimately have Mitochondrial disease, OR they are simply not forcing the other daughter to suffer the same procedures as Justina.

    The DCF in Connecticut agreed that it was not in Justina’s best interest to live with her parents, but they refuse to otherwise get involved.

    Your language is clever, but you have no evidence of two things; you have no evidence that she is getting worse, and you have no evidence that she was participating in any clinical trials (you called it “experimenting”). And in fact you fail to understand the context, which is that the law is designed to ensure that children who are wards of the state are not denied access to “compassionate care” in regards to experimental treatment that may otherwise be the last resort for a child’s survival.

    Stu claims “a year ago she was ice skating” trying to make it sound like she was just fine, but the reality is that the reason the family took her to the hospital claiming she couldn’t walk, she was slurring her speech, and that they were afraid she was going to “choke to death.” That is not the picture of health, and that is the child’s condition when her parents were taking care of her.

    The only thing that Glenn says right is “I don’t know what’s going on.” Precisely; the family is nuts, and they are projecting this onto Justina. If you doubt me, read the complaint the family filed in a lawsuit against a man who rear-ended them. Linda Pelletier describes her whiplash as causing lifelong emotional devastation, anxiety, fright, and nervousness. She claims literal PTSD from whiplash, so I hardly believe she is a capable parent.

    Not to mention that the family has the financial habits of a democrat running the white house.

  • Anonymous

    The state of Connecticut has refused to take custody of Justina despite multiple opportunites, which would be a simple way for them to return Justina to her parents, And the state of Conn said in December that it would not be in Justina’s “best interest” to be returned to her family.

  • http://daniel-a-roberts.com/ Daniel A Roberts

    Cases like this have been going on for a long, long time all across America. I myself have shouted to the mountains and back over the state’s abusive power through Child Protective Services, and I’ve been ridiculed and called a tin foil hat conspiracy nut over the years. Now you’ve seen it brought out into the light. Angry? I’m not angry anymore. I’ve been yelling and pointing fingers for more than a decade, and just last year, I decided to give it a rest. I’m tired. I’m sick of trying to change things for the better all alone.

    Now some of you wake up. It took a celebrity like Glenn to help you wake up. God help you all, for you’re going to need it. If you can’t listen to the parents who are victimized through CPS in their states, but need to hear it from a popular soapbox, please don’t pretend this is a new problem. It isn’t.

    I weep for the youth of this country, and for those parents who are crushed by the system.

  • Anonymous

    Fact: The physician who finally diagnosed Justina admitted two things; he was not 100% sure of her diagnosis, and that some of he allegations of abuse against his mito patients were legitimate.

    Fact: you cannot claim that Justina was “thriving” when the family claims that under their care Justina was unable to walk, she was slurring her speech, and that they were afraid she was going to “choke to death.” That was why they took her to the hospital in the first place that night.

    You have no evidence that she was enrolled in a clinical trial, and practically every physician in an academic institution participates in clinical research; in fact, we could just as easily claim that her Mito doc has a vested interest in preserving her diagnosis for his own clinical research.

    The rest of your post is hyperbole. The family has a long history of financial impropriety and they make mountains out of molehills; just read how the mother describes her whiplash in a lawsuit against Luke Bittner.

    Nice job insulting a bunch of people you don’t know.

  • Anonymous

    You don’t know that her diagnosis was made in 12 hours. Lou P. claims they didn’t approach him with it until day three of admission. You don’ t know that she has not been receiving “schooling” or religious instruction.

    The family needs to understand what behaviors bring their daughter home, and which keep them apart.

  • Anonymous

    Does anybody remember Hillary Clinton’s statement when Bill was running for president the first time? It went something like this: “We want the people to think of the government as they would their mother and look to the government to meet all their needs.” This is nothing more than a cover-up of the state’s and DCFS’s abusive parenting.

  • Watch it

    In CT she has a right to have her own lawyer – a child advocate. I would think they should have such a thing in Mass. Something is really wrong here.

  • Anonymous

    The ruling should actually allow the parents to go over this judge’s head at this point, because this is a more final decision. What would have been wrong with allowing the child to be treated at Tufts? The only reasoning that I can see is that now this judge’s ego has been wounded and instead of doing what’s right, he’s following the way of the leftist and “living life between his legs”, thinking not of the law and what is god for Justina, but rather what will convince the people public his testosterone level is elevated.

    His previous ruling placed Justina in that care. He has never allowed her former doctors to testify in this case, only listening to the ravings of an emergency room resident and the department of psychiatry from Children’s Hospital.

    Now, the governmental parties know that the public has turned against them in force and, like most government officials in this nation, they will not back down because their own need to feel important is of far greater value than the life of a child. How typical that they believe that all evidence points to her PARENTS being the problem here. Since she has been in the care of DCF, both her physical and psychological health have declined to dangerous levels. So, of course, in usual governmental, leftist progressivist fashion, the answer is….MORE of the same. Never shall fact and rationality ever be allowed to invade where leftist, progressivist government is involved. If they say that she’s getting better under their care, then god has spoken and it will be so.

    Always, objective measurement is out of the question with the government. Repeating the same experiment, literally, to death, with exactly the same results never deters the fully committed leftist ideological warrior hostile to the idea that a loving family and some of the best medical minds in the nation could better know what is best for the child than the Massachusetts Department of Children and Families, Children’s Hospital and the court. The end result will be the life of a child, but what is that next to the vaunted egos of the interested official parties?

    They would much rather see her continue to decline and if it takes her death for them to enforce their assertion that they reign supreme as a force of nature that constitutes a very law unto themselves, independent of the petty confines of the rule of law, common sense and sheer decency, then so be it.

    After all, they can’t be sued, and it’s no skin off their noses, so, in weighing that decision, the judge has ruled against the best interest of the child in favor of his poor, wounded, shriveled up manhood. Now THAT is a clear example of what truly constitutes abuse.

  • SL

    I repeat what I said. You, sadly like most of my students, have been so bombarded by BS around the world in everything you read, you’re incapable of telling the difference between someone repeating SOMEONE else’s statements, and their opinion.

    Worse, you have NO IDEA whether or not she was medically ill or not. The doctors have not expressed themselves publicly – which IS a red flag.

    The only opinions we here are from the father.

    I have NO OPINION on this case. Is that clear?
    I read the decision hoping to get more information.

    The decision both answers some questions, and raises more.

    Frankly, the biggest question I have is that the decision starts by essentially declaring that Massachusetts has no jurisdiction. Why the Pelletier’s attorney’s did not move to dismiss the entire case based on THAT determination I don’t understand.

    BUT, and this is the big BUT, the Connecticut department and an independent mental health professional, upon reading ALL THE RECORDS, agreed with Massachusetts.

    You can deny that or say whatever you want. It is in the record.

    We clearly don’t know the whole story.

  • Shawn Cameron

    Yes he has been SO “spot on”. I remember back when he was on FOX and made claims that we’d be paying 70 and 80 bucks for a can of coffee and a pound of ground beef, yeah he was dead on there. But on the off occasion he is right he goes on and on about “always being right”, and people like you never question it. It’s called power of suggestion and it works well on the weak minded. I used to be a fan of the guy too. But unlike you I can think for myself and I started realizing just how ludicrous a lot of his claims are. That’s not to say there aren’t several things I agree with him on, there are. Beck has a gimmick and is a great entertainer, but that’s it. Much like John Haggee writes books and preaches sermons about how he knows how Revelation will unfold and he’s been wrong so far. Yet people still buy his books and pack his church because he’s got a great gimmick, “The End Of The World”. Becks gimmick is “The Government is Coming to Get You.” and he makes a lot of money from it.

    All I am saying is;
    A) DCF is bound by confidentiality rules, this is actually to protect the parents rights because most people with a DCF case do not want the allegations against them being blabbed all over. Therefore;
    B) While the Peltiers can go to the media and cry fowl, DCF CANNOT go to the media and explain their case. Which leads to;
    C) None of us have all the facts.

    Is it possible the government has over stepped their bounds? Sure it is. I’m not saying they have not. But what I will say is EVERY SINGLE person who has their children removed cries victim, and if the Peltiers are victims, they will be the first I have ever seen. But judging from your previous comments, you just don’t seem like the kind of person to contemplate any point of view that doesn’t fit your little world narrative. So feel free to come back with some more childish insults.

  • Shawn Cameron

    “BS! Your entire first response was an an apologist for the state. For the record, the judge’s opinion are not facts.”

    LMAO So let’s get this straight, the judge who sat in the court room and heard all the testimony, read all the documents submitted by DCF, all the recommendations by the GAL and the doctors…..He doesn’t have any of the facts.

    ………………………….But YOU do.

    The arrogance of ignorance.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, her doctors from Tufts HAVE given interviews, including a psychiatrist that was working with Justina to help her with getting beyond her condition to be able to participate in the challenging sport of ice skating. The medical reasoning is sound. I’m a doctor and I evaluated it from the standpoint of objectivity when the story first broke.
    The geneticists and physicians at Tufts are some of the best in the world at treating this condition and from an objective standpoint, the fact that this previously gregarious, athletic girl can no longer function should argue in favor of the state reviewing the evidence that would indicate that she is better off since her life was ripped away. Anyone with the slightest shred of common sense would understand that the way that this has been handled would not have been beneficial to her.
    I have no reason to have prejudged this case. I know well how people sometimes misinterpret what doctors are trying to do. But in this case, a five minute interview with an emergency medicine resident resulted in an instantaneous diagnosis of somatoform disorder, something that he is neither qualified to diagnose nor can be diagnosed in the amount of time that they spent making evaluating the girl. He is also not a geneticist, but this did not deter him either. Justina’s psychiatrist attempted to intervene and was completely shut out, his opinion having taken a back seat to some VERY out of control egos.
    I also read the judge’s ruling. All of it. And I can tell you that it practically screams personal revenge against the parents for wounding his ego. He had already not allowed her to be treated at Tufts, despite his order, and placed her into a group home where she was receiving no medical care at all, psychiatric or otherwise. Does that indicate an official who is concerned about a young girl’s medical and mental health? There was absolutely NO justification for this decision, especially in light of his previous decision and the weeks in which he put off making a final decision. What it came down to was, literally, his anger at the parents for having defied his authority.
    I had the distinct impression after reading the ruling that if it takes the death of the girl to ensure that they know they had better not mess with him, then so be it. None of this was typical, and none of it justified cutting out the professionals at Tufts, and worse, ordering psychiatric exams of the parents.
    What story do you claim we do not know? We have the entire legal proceedings as part of the public record. We have the state’s own previous rulings. We have the parents, and their doctors at one of the most respected medical institutions in the nation. Clearly, the only part of this story we don’t have is how far the individuals who started down this disastrous road will push their revenge in detriment to the girl’s condition.

  • SL

    I have no way of judging whether or not you are a doctor so I’ll just deal with the facts of your statement. I also have no prejudgment and have simply found the case interesting. I tend to have bias on the side against the state, both b/c of my conservatism but also knowledge of the dysfunction of the parallel agencies here in NY.
    However, I am unaware of any statements by Tufts doctors.
    In addition, we most assuredly DO NOT have the whole story. I know I have not read the medical records, nor interviewed Justina.
    I also find it strange, to say the least, that the Pelletiers, even if the court does not interview Justina, do not submit an affadavit from her, which they are allowed to do, as evidence in any pleading they might make.

    As to her previous condition, as someone else here said, the idea that she was a “healthy happy” girl is simply a lie.

    If that were the case, the Pelletiers would not have taken her to the hospital in the first place!! That is self evident.

    More importantly, as you must know if you’re a physician, Justina sitting and watching her parents scream and yell at her caregivers of the moment, is not going to create the necessary environment for her regardless of her condition.

    Worse, the stress of being in an unfamiliar environment, being separated from her parents, on top of the above, would clearly exacerbate ANY disorder she might suffer from, medical or psychological.

    To give YOU some insight, in the most famous case of Munchausen’s by Proxy syndrome in recent years, after more than a decade of horrific abuse, a young girl was finally rescued from her mother.

    The other children had never suffered from such treatment.

    The child eventually recognized what had happened and expressed horror at what her mother had done.

    However, when she turned 18, she requested of the court, which had issued an Order of Protection for her against her mother, to ease the order so that they could see each other again.

    So, these things are NEVER simple.

    This case remains a mystery and it is clear that there is more going on here than we are seeing.

  • SL

    Btw, if you read the order, as you state, apparently you missed the part where judge indicated that he had ordered Christina to be treated in Ct, closer to her parents, for the benefit of all, and that it was when the father threatened to sue the facility that that was ended.

  • Anonymous

    Your trust of the goodwill of the state is so complete it’s almost scary. I’ve actually taken the time to listen, to obtain the records that do exist and I’ve seen the interviews with the Tufts doctors. They are far more believable than ANYONE the state has produced so far. However, the judge has NOT allowed direct testimony from her doctors at Tufts, but he began to realize that the girl’s condition was worsening and so relented and ordered her treated at Tufts. Then, in spite of the order, he placed her in a facility that did not render ANY medical care. None of the treatment regimens she has undergone can remotely be justified by the diagnosis. Would you like to medically explain somatoform disorder and the treatment regimens? Unless I’m missing something, you’re not a physician. I AM.
    This girl was removed from her parents’ care in the space of 4 hours. She has never been in their care since. Years of diagnostics, testing, and highly successful treatment was suddenly upended in one fell swoop. Of course her parents must be insane. They actually thought that one of the best medical centers in the country was actually responsible for their daughter’s condition. That’s a highly rational conclusion on your part. As for me, a five minute evaluation by a second year resident of emergency medicine, followed by abject insistence that the parents abandon those years of specialized care in favor of his hallowed opinion, followed by three hours of legal maneuvering while the parents sat there being abused. Sure, that speaks of vast intellectual and medical reasoning on the part of the doctors of Children’s Hospital and DCF.
    I’d point out that, in fact, there is a mountain of medical evidence that clearly demonstrates that these people have done great harm to this girl is irrefutable. I’ve heard both sides. It shouldn’t take a medical degree to understand that what they claimed to know in five minutes was not possible, especially in the light of a psychiatric diagnosis that DOES NOT require hospitalization and isolation from families.
    So, how about if you address this from the medical aspects of the case. Show me how the people who made these decisions and the treatments they are rendering in total isolation are within the accepted practice guidelines of ANY medical specialty treating a somatoform disorder. I’m not claiming I know this is wrong from a person who trusts the government has the child’s best interest at heart. That’s naive to the point of ridicule. I know this is wrong because of the violation of every medical standard I’ve ever learned in this girl’s case. I’m also a molecular biologist, and I understand very well what mitochondrial disorders are. The only possibility in this case is ego. Otherwise, the treatment would match the accepted guidelines and certainly would adhere to medicine’s foremost imperative…primum non nocere…First, do no harm. These extreme measures DO NOT match any psychiatric treatment. But her previous treatment for mitochondrial disorder DID.
    Can you argue the case on the merits of either the molecular science, or the medical treatment? If you can’t, then perhaps its time to accept from someone who can, that this is wrong.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know your background either, but if you’re a physician, it would be very easy to evaluate my qualifications. Your statements are not factual. The fact that you’re unaware of the statements of the physicians doesn’t change the fact that they have attempted to intervene and they have not been allowed to.
    I’m not certain where you got the idea that a child who is the subject of a court action on the basis of psychiatry would be able to make a statement to the judge. Family court has very specific rules as to what constitutes evidence. What the committed child wants is irrelevant to the judge because legally, he’s already ruled that she is not competent to maintain any control over her treatment and disposition because of an underlying psychiatric disorder. In a legal sense, a child (or any person) that has been committed to a psychiatric institution does not have standing in the proceedings because of questions of competency. If there was no believed justification for commitment, then she would be competent to be released, therefore, since they maintain that this is a psychiatric condition, and she has been removed from her parents’ care and committed to a psychiatric facility, she has no legal standing and her statement is meaningless.
    You actually believe now that its appropriate, on the basis of the few things you medically seem to understand, to call this case as a Munchausen-by-proxy? Even the state hasn’t been that brave. There are VERY specific diagnostic criteria for such cases and almost all of them involve children who are too young to communicate the actions of the parents. In the case you cited, the girl WAS able to communicate what her mother had done after the fact. What were the charges? An order of protection doesn’t equate to indictment and many Munchausen cases have been tried as child abuse or murder cases when the parents have harmed or worse, miscalculated and killed their children. Instead, they seized on somatoform disorder. And of course, if I had five minutes, I’m sure that I could justify such a ridiculous claim quite well, especially when I brought in DCF to back me up. In case you’re not picking up on it, that was abject sarcasm.
    Of course there is more than we know here, but I know medically what it CANNOT be. And I know very well that this smacks of an institutional bias that was communicated to a young resident who then severely complicated the situation. If ANY of this met accepted standards of care anywhere in the US, I might question it. It doesn’t and the results are obvious.

  • Jane Helbert

    As someone who worked in the healthcare field for 23 years, I cannot understand the path Boston Children’s Hospital has taken. Justina was successfully treated and thrived at Tuft’s. Since she has been in the care of MA. DCF her condition has worsened to the point she cannot walk, she’s losing her hair, and her skin color is pasty.

    This is more than enough evidence that the diagnosis proposed by Boston Children’s Hospital is wrong. After over a year of treatment with NO POSITIVE RESULTS should be more than enough evidence to consider another treatment – maybe even the one she was getting from her previous doctors!

    I hold the Massachusett’s Department of Children and Family Services the main source in this atrocity as well as the doctors who gave her the bogus diagnosis of Somatiform, and the judge who waffled from his previous ruling of returning Justina to her family and Tuft’s of causing harm to this young girl and her family.

    This is the consequence of your actions. Man up.

  • Anonymous

    No, I didn’t miss that part. His decision was not based on legal reasoning, it was pure pique. Perhaps, if this were your child, you’d be completely reasonable and cooperative with a facility that was committed to keeping your child away from you. If the state can’t prove that the parents are responsible for having committed a crime or are guilty of neglect, borne out by an improvement in the girl’s condition due to their prescribed treatments, that would be one thing. But, in fact, the opposite is occurring.
    You seem to enjoy conflict. You also claim to be a conservative, but your trust in the motivations of the government, especially in light of the previous legal decision that was made, seems naive at best. The parents opposition to the judge not having fulfilled his order to have Justina treated at Tufts, instead putting her in a group home without medical care…of course YOU would have completely understood. But of course, I haven’t read the document, I’m NOT a physician or a scientist, and you have a far greater understanding of both the medico-legal aspects of this case, and the medical diagnoses they were based on than I do. Please…continue. I’m wondering just how far you can dig this hole before you can’t crawl back out. Well, I can see why you’d understand how a judge could use that reasoning as the basis for an ever changing legal decision.

  • Shawn Cameron

    First off thank you for actually posing an argument that makes some sense. Your statement is the first I have read supporting the Peltiers that wasn’t merely the ravings of a paranoid lunatic, or riddled with ignorance of how social services actually works.

    Secondly my trust of the goodwill of the state is far from complete. I simply have experience with social services, I have adopted 2 children from foster care. I know many social workers all of whom perform their job with the utmost care and do everything to put the children’s best interest first. I know of people who do horrible things to children and when social services removes the children, they cry victim. Maybe the social services workers and judge etc. in this case are scumbags. I’m not saying it’s not possible. But the argument you made is the only thing that even makes me lean to that conclusion. But I am skeptical when I hear stories such as this, and as I said yours is the only comment that gives a valid argument. Once again thank you.

    Glenn Beck has chosen to demonize, not the individual workers here or the judge. But social services as a whole, because it fits his gimmick and his fans (of which I used to be one) eat it up. Most of whom go rabid on these forums not knowing what those workers deal with and see on a daily basis. Because the complete trust they have of everything that flies out of his mouth, is just as scary as someone who completely trusts the government.

  • dUMASSHELL

    CPS is out of control!!! A friend of mine, at this very moment is battling the sociopaths at CPS to get her kids back (buffalo, ny). Shes the most loving, caring mother you could have. Did nothing wrong. Her abusive ex doesn’t want to pay child support so he started false accusations with CPS.
    She has been tested for drugs, examined by psychiatrists and NOTHING!! She complied with their moronish pamplets, demands. They demanded she get her own apartment (mind you they cut off her alimony / child support) and still no kids.
    Child’s lawyer NEVER met with the mother, not once.
    CPS has blatantly lied, purposely wrote misinformation, gone against court orders, ignored court orders. Still no kids. They are trying their hardest to take kids to state yet haven’t found a single thing. FBI needs to step in because there is something really sinister going on.

  • Chris Bridges

    I promise you, if someone tried this with my son, using profanity against them would be the least of their worries. Of course the parents are reacting this way, who in their right mind would not? At this point it’s almost worth kidnapping your own child and leaving the country to save her life and your family!! The entire situation is absolutely insane. And they have the fox guarding the hen house …. the state getting to say the state isn’t at fault.. all this national and international coverage, if they admitted they made a mistake in her diagnosis, and made a mistake in the treatment of this family, there would be huge precedent later to keep them out of other people’s lives and ammunition for families to fight back with. That goes against the totalitarian ideals that are being pushed.. the GOVERNMENT IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE RIGHT, EVEN WHEN THEY ARE WRONG~!! Didn’t you know that?

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  • Anonymous

    I am not sure what in my comment you disagree with. I agree that parents have to be treated correctly. Hopefully the judge did so and allowed them to testify. None of us were in the court room, the hospital conference room or the emergency room. Somewhere along the line, the parents behavior veered off– in order to have your child removed from your custody, you have to have crossed a line somewhere.

  • Anonymous

    The MA DCF has been under a great deal of scrutiny of late. Approx 100 children have died under their care jurisdiction in the past 3 – 4 years.
    First a psyche at the Children’s Hospital diagnosis this girl with a mental condition. And now the judge in this case has ordered the parents to go for a psychiatric evaluation themselves. dot dot dot… This is what happens if you try and balk the system and the state is using this case to prove their point.
    Another point, considering the degenerating health of this child, as long as she is in custody of the state, the parents will be under constant restraint as they struggle to take back custody, thus discouraging them from any lawsuits against the hospital which is where all this started.
    If this girl dies under DCF care MA and Children’s will perhaps witness a lawsuit. In the meantime, the poor girl suffers.

  • Anonymous

    That was the plan agreed upon by the guardian ad litem until Beck’ s buddy Matt Staver showed up and filed a conflicting pleading.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe DCF is not used to normal people. And to think the father referred to them a Nazi’s. Now you know why the judge ordered the parents for a psyche evaluation.

  • Anonymous

    i did. What is your point? I am well aware of the problems with MA DCF; as with many state agencies, they are overwhelmed with cases, understaffed and increasingly at a loss to find adequate foster care for children not being raised by birth parents who are unfit or never left adolescence. Whether Children’s is over the top in its somatoform and Munchausen by proxy diagnoses will come out eventually. Without a doubt, Boston PI lawyers are circling like sharks over this issue; and ultimately, that is how behavior gets changed in our country.

  • Anonymous

    The DCF in MA has placed kids in foster care with abusive foster parents, not to mention 100 kids perished under their watch. So what behaviors might you be thinking of.

  • Anonymous

    And so long as the parents are not evaluated, the DCF will retain custody. It is a no-win for the parents.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t you remember this?:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bKXwlC4nMQ

    “We haven’t had a very collective notion of these being our children…”

  • Anonymous

    As a physician, you are likely aware of hospital review boards, especially at research institutions like Children’s. Risk management procedures have to be in place in order to carefully evaluate the exposure of the hospital. It strains credulity that the most senior doctors at Childrens have not thoroughly reviewed the treatment and diagnosis rendered by their more junior colleagues in this case. In-house counsel has certainly reviewed it and i would be willing to bet that Children’s has already put their insurance carrier on notice of a potential claim for negligence or malpractice in this case. Children’s has too much to lose by risking its reputation on a bad diagnosis. If the care was inappropriate, I suspect they would have backed off by now.

    My only point is that there has to be more to this story than those of us in the general public know.

  • Anonymous

    It would appear that if the child is in the custody of the State, it is that state’s responsibility for care. Funds are limited, care costs money….

  • Anonymous

    The Pelletiers have been patient long enough. It’s time for some group action. There needs to be an organized protest outside of DCF, the hospital, the judge’s home, etc. Or else the DCF and the court MUST explain their decision and actions. If they think there is something so wrong with the parents, they need to explain what that is publicly. We must not allow our government to continue to hold American citizens hostage.

  • Anonymous

    Dear Suz: have you ever been to Children’s Hospital in Boston? Do you have any idea what kind of miraculous work they do for kids around the world? Do you have any idea of the groundbreaking medical research that has been done to advance treatment of childhood diseases at that institution? I suggest that you forward your evidence of Mengele type experimentation to the Board of Directors at Children’s. Better yet, write to your congressional representative and Senator and launch an investigation into the NIH grants at Children’s to identify the Mengele type experimentation. Then at least we will all have some evidence to consider.

  • Anonymous

    there is an idea–terrorize the Judge because he is clearly evil. Or you could follow the rule of law and let the more learned appellate court figure out if the Judge failed in his Judicial duties.

  • Anonymous

    No one seems to be looking at the issue that is occurring with the DFC. This will keep happening because if you take a look at Chin’s law the parents will almost ALWAYS lose their case against the DFC. The DFC knows that they do have follow the law and there is nothing really the parents can do about it. No one is looking at the fact that taking of the children and forcing parents into all sorts of programs that are not needed/warrantied is a HUGE MONEY MAKER for each STATE of the U.S. As of yet no one is looking in depth into these issues.
    Just as police can be recorded by public citizens, the parents and others should have the right to record visits when concerning the DFC and all matters pertaining to rather it be with the mental health physician’s , therapists, social workers as an added protection.

  • Anonymous

    Hannah Poling also has mitochondrial disorder. Her parents (a neurosurgeon and a nurse/lawyer) received a multi-million dollar vaccine injury settlement in 2010,
    after Hannah had nine vaccines in one day and then immediately developed
    symptoms of severe autism. Public health officials said that Hannah’s problems were the result not merely of her vaccines, but of a ‘rare underlying mitochondrial disorder’, although it is unclear if she was diagnosed with her mitochondrial disorder prior to receiving the vaccines. Many in the autism community at the time believed that mitochondrial disorders might not be all that rare.

    I know that autism is iatrogenic, and I’m starting to believe that mitochondrial disorders are.

    Doctors and parents are being sent a chilling message, and if no price is paid by the people responsible for what has happened to Justina the message will get
    through loud and clear to doctors and patients and parents of patients. The
    message is this – ‘If you know what’s good for you and your children, you’ll
    shut up when you’re told to shut up.’

  • Anonymous

    No doubt, both hospitals are readying for future suits. It is interesting how “mental conditions” are so prevalent in these custody cases.

  • Anonymous

    The power of the State.

  • Guest

    I think the point remains. The state needs to get the h311 away from parent’s rights. All of this is an excuse to increase the state control over our children. If the Pelletiers want to raise her to be unreasonable and over the top, that’s THEIR God-given right.
    I know what the document said. ITs legal language that is a facade covering the agenda. Its the mantra; the ideology. Yes i too have an ideology but it is based in parent’s rights. I fully admit it. And that’s why there is a FUNDAMENTAL disagreement between SL and the other posters here. We’re not going to agree. Pick your side, its a war of ideologies.

  • Guest

    Um, no kid thrives with a life-threatening disease. That’s how it works. The point is the Pelletiers love their daughters. To the state she is $ signs and power.

  • linda

    Last night, a caller to the Mark Levin show, referenced this ruling and Mark was dumbfounded by the case as described. Mark admitted not being aware of it. Please get this story out there before it’s too late!

  • Anonymous

    So you feel comfortable making value judgments on those who work hard physically for a living? Wow I will be sure to let my electrician, carpenter and plumber friends and my son who is a a helper for a builder,know they do not have to use their brains at work.
    Beck certainly uses his brain at work–he has cornered the market on fear mongering and cultivating apostolic believers. That is indeed how he makes his money.

  • Fat Lip

    Very unfortunate after a 1/2 century on this (Green) planet which is actually Blue at least it was before common==+-=- core .
    20 tears ago and 40 years these things were fought physically if someone hurt or tried to take your child .
    Now the masses stick there thumb up there butt and the other one in there mouth and wait for the Government to say switch and they just do it .
    God bless this family .
    FREE JUSTINA .COM

  • Anonymous

    I agree with you on most points. However, I don’t believe that either DCF or the judge are acting in the girl’s interest. I’ve dealt with DSHS in the state of Washington for many years. Most of them are as far left as it is possible to be. They also seem to believe that there is something noble about poverty. In my own experiences, as a practitioner, when I’ve called the hotline to try and get some help for a child that I can prove is being neglected and/or abused, it is often ME that ends up being investigated and threatened by the social workers. I’ve found that the more broken the family is, the more involved the tend to be, and seem to want to reunite families that have harbored violence, neglect and abuse, often prematurely returning these children to homes where they should not be. The state of Washington has “misplaced” more than a thousand children in the last ten years.
    In my own family’s case, I had a brother who was a sociopath that chose to express that sociopathy by accusing my parents of having done horrible things. I am the second of 12 children in my family. My brother was 14 when he began calling social services and telling his teachers that he was being sexually abused by his brothers and sisters, and my mother and father. At the time, only my older brother and myself had left home, leaving my 10 siblings still there. He plunged my family into a morass of legal battles, baseless accusations and anger.
    Unfortunately, my brother’s IQ was 163 and he used every point of it to manipulate people. Eventually, the only thing that kept social services from removing my brothers and sisters from the home was my intervention. I was in residency and graduate school at the time at the University of Iowa, and I enlisted help from some world renowned physicians who called social services in Montana and managed to get my brother examined by an independent psychiatrist who then reported his findings to social services. Between attorneys and those physicians, they were finally able to convince social services that what was occurring was not what they believed. After being shown the truth of what happened, the social workers involved in the case continued to investigate my parents and would not let up until a judge finally ordered them to back off. In fact, their hostility and aggression grew worse.
    My brothers sociopathy only abated slightly when his intellect was finally reduced by constant drug and alcohol abuse. He’s now dead. He overdosed at age 27.
    My point is, while I know that there are some good social workers, the system itself is wholly dependent on those who seem to believe that there are no truly good families, almost as if they are offended by the idea. Some realize the vast power that is placed in their hands, and choose to abuse it whenever they can in order to reassure themselves of that power. The ones who are placed in prospective investigations of parents who would like to adopt see the best of society. Those that are called in retroactively in response to negative reports often are not objective.
    In this case, there is simply no justification for what is happening with this girl. From an objective standpoint, the girl’s medical and psychiatric condition has greatly worsened in their care. That, alone, should give them pause. But from their viewpoint, now it is about ego, just as it has been when I’ve called in reports and been threatened by DSHS here in Washington; just as the social workers who continued to investigate my parents even when they KNEW the fact of my brother’s sociopathy. They even tried to start a new investigation after the judge ordered them to stay away from my parents. In my opinion, once a government social worker has their ego wounded, they are at their most dangerous and the case will likely evolve to something that has nothing whatsoever to do with what is best for the child, but rather, an abusive exercise of power.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, it was made in less than five minutes by an untrained physician. After that, it evolved.

  • Anonymous

    Is it only that the parents don’t have the means to care for her and the State has the means? If so, without any mention of a health threat coming from the parents, why not give Justina and the means to the parents so that Justina can be with her parents and the parents now have the means to care for her as they so deemed?

  • Holly Leeming

    You are no longer credible. Your a DHS suck. And have no regard for this family.

  • Anonymous

    Children’s Hospital can’t be sued in this case unless it can be proven that they maliciously removed the child from the parents’ custody, something that simply would be impossible. Under they law, they are mandatory reporters. They don’t have to defend a snap decision to call, they only have to have a suspicion, and they are immune from civil liability due to their status as mandatory reporters.
    Your trust in the more senior physicians at Children’s Hospital is misplaced. Once something like this is placed into the hands of social services, their opinions are secondary to the decisions of the family court. Unfortunately for the Pelletiers, somatoform disorder is so nebulous a diagnosis that it lends itself to abuse VERY easily because of the plethora of non-specific symptoms and the vagaries of psychology. If a patient has an underlying medical disease, yet the physicians treating her do not understand that condition, then the manifestation of the medical symptoms associated with it are only further reinforcement to their contention that it is a psychiatric disorder. It is a psychological Catch-22. As the girl’s physical health declines, they will use it as justification for even more of the same and attempt to marginalize the parents even further. I have never seen a patient with somatoform disorder that required in-patient emergency hospitalization.
    Because of the nature of the disorder, which is very similar to Munchausen’s disease, the objective of the disorder is to gain attention, albeit subconsciously, by exhibiting physical symptoms, meaning that it is extremely rare that these patients require in-house treatment and isolation from their families. The only reason for involuntary commitment is if the patient is a danger to themselves or others. Suicide is not common with these patients because if they are dead, they cannot gain continued attention. If it were Munchausen-by-proxy, the child’s symptoms would have been alleviated as soon as the parents no longer had physical access to the girl. Instead, her condition has worsened significantly. Rather than be deterred by this, the state has chosen to isolate her even further from those who love her.
    Mitochondrial disease is very difficult to diagnose, but the doctors she was seeing before are some of the best in the world. Their opinions have been completely ignored in this case. The problem is, once a team of doctors goes down this road, they are even further committed to what has proven to be a bad plan. None of the treatments for mitochondrial disease are significantly harmful. The fact that these people can’t understand that isolating a child, giving her medications that alter brain chemistry, and ignoring her physical symptoms is not treatment. Now, it is about anger, testosterone, and ego.

  • Anonymous

    The problem is, that until the family court rules on a final disposition of the child, no appellate court will take the case. It is possible that with this new ruling, an appellate court will hear it, but at this point, no one wants to take this on.

  • Chuck Hamblin

    This judge needs to be removed from the bench. This is an election year so you Massachusetts voters have an opportunity to fire a lot of people in power to get this changed.

  • Anonymous

    thank you for your thoughtful and well informed reply. It is leagues above the average commentary that mirrors back GB’s commentary and labels as “socialist nanny state lovers” anyone who dares to offer contrary or different ideas.
    While there is a mandatory reporting duty that is immune from suit, I do not believe that would stop an enterprising lawyer from filing suit for negligent care either pre-report or post report. I would also suspect that immunity does not extend to faulty diagnosis.
    This case is devastating to all involved. I am still struggling to figure out what will be the positive outcomes.

  • Anonymous

    OK, I took your suggestion and read the report in The Boston Globe. I am still very concerned that the ONLY reason the parents took the girl to Boston Children’s was to be treated by her former physician at Tufts, and it sounds like she has never even been allowed to see him, or vice versa. What on earth were the neurologists and psychiatrists and psychologists doing taking over her care without even allowing her previous doc to see her? You know, to a carpenter, every problem looks like something that requires a hammer to solve. To a specialist in psychosomatic illness, everything that isn’t obvious looks like it could be psychosomatic. They openly say that this whole mitochondrial syndrome is often misdiagnosed and patients are treated for each symptom, often by different docs, because most docs aren’t trained to see the disease in its entirety. In fact, doctors in general are trained to look for the “obvious” answer, not some obscure and rare illness.

    It is also clear that the docs at Children’s can’t stand the parents. So the parents are pushy. I would be too, if my child was very ill and the hospital was trying to take her away from me. And frankly, I make a lot of business trips to Boston and New York, have for years, and my impression in general is that people in that part of the country are pretty darn pushy. So this should be nothing new to the staff at Childrens. I would also be willing to bet that the parents of seriously ill children are especially pushy. Too bad.

    Considering that the family has a history of this illness (the older daughter) is it really so odd that the younger daughter might have it as well? And the doc said that the older daughter received a biopsy that confirmed the disease. Gee, what a stretch it would be to think the younger daughter had it too. Have there been issues with the other kids? Doesn’t this couple have 4 – 5 kids? Why would the mother be practicing Munchhausens with just one child? And are the docs at Children’s saying that ALL of Justina’s other doctors are a bunch of quacks? After all, they had been treating her for this for a few years, and they are the ones who were doing the various procedures on her. Heck, two of them either were or are on the staff at Children’s. Did they suddenly become quacks on leaving?

    I’ve heard the father talking about this case on Glenn’s radio show. I know there are always at least two sides, but he didn’t sound like a nutjob. And if the hospital people won’t talk, what are people supposed to think? And again, saying that this illness is totally psychosomatic is basically calling her other doctors incompetent. I think the parents should be able to have their child treated (or not) wherever they want. Who’s to say that the docs at Children’s aren’t the quacks here? Since Justina does not appear to be thriving at Children’s, why can’t the judge agree to move her to the hospital of the parents’ choosing?

    As for the whole “guardian ad litem” point, as someone who has had friends go through nasty custody battles with ex-spouses, I have seen some of these people in action. I’m not impressed with the abilities and judgment of many people appointed to these positions. In one case I know of, the guardian was so charmed by the sociopathic father that she recommended the judge turn the kids over to him, even though they were afraid of him because they repeatedly saw him beat their mother. They told her that, but she said she didn’t believe them because they were just kids and their mother must have brainwashed them. At the meeting where she had to hand her kids over to her abuser, the mother was understandably tense and upset. She and the ex got into an argument – in a restaurant – where he proceeded grab her by the throat, pull her out of her chair and slam her against the wall, choking her all the while. Because they were in a public place, there were many witnesses, one of whom pulled the ex off of her and someone else called 911. The guardian ad litem, when she heard about the incident, said she was shocked because the ex-husband was “such a great guy” when she met with him. Because of the police report and the number of witnesses, the judge rescinded the custody order and the kids are still with their mother. They have to see their dad a couple of times a month, which they hate, but at least he doesn’t have full custody. So much for a guardian ad litem’s credibility.

  • Galit Alter

    I don’t understand how this is not a bigger deal… How are the people of Boston letting the hospital have the right to take their children away and experiment on them???

    Is Massachusetts the only state that has this law in place (where the hospital has the right to take the children and do what they please)?

    Can the parents not demand the judge to have Justina Diagonosed by another hospital (I would say even one that is not in Boston)?? Obviously more is going on here and the judge I don’t believe for one second made his decision with out any outside force… Something is much bigger than we can imagine is going on and just like the Malaysia plane, we are kept in the dark and will never truly now how dark and evil some people on our world are.

    Aside from making this issue public knowledge, How do we help this family get their daughter back and prevent this from happening???

  • Freddy Boisseau

    I am going to throw out a theory that is out there, but then again what we are seeing from the Executive Branch at the Federal Level, it might not be. What if this Judge has been told behind the scene that the DCF and Boston Children’s Hospital will not comply with any order that removes Justina from their custody. Keep in mind the courts have to rely on the Executive Branch to enforce his order, the same branch that the DCF belongs to.

  • helen knight

    Looking to me something was done b state that they could be sued for … What if the Girl dies ( According sister report the girls legs are cold and she had blood poison lines on her belly ..

  • Anonymous

    You guys need to get together to get your story straight. The person I was responding to described her as a “vibrant” child who was “thriving” under the diagnosis and treatment of her previous physician.

    Now you come and say that no child thrives?

    You don’t know that they love her; what evidence do you have? The state has tried to transfer her to Connecticut, so obviously they are not doing this for money…not to mention, there is nothing financial to be gained from keeping her, nor is there any component of power to be had by committing to the care of a complex child. Besides, the same could be said about the Pelletiers; Justina is convenient leverage to avoid eviction from the home that they haven’t paid a dime on for 7 years while wracking up tens of thousands in unpaid utilities. And don’t go the “medical bills” route, because not only have they stopped paying those bills long before the Boston incident, the father claimed to Glenn Beck that insurance was covering all her bills…that was his rationale for justifying the things that have been done to her.

  • Anonymous

    Show the evidence that 100 children have died in Mass. foster care with abusive parents. And make sure you don’t misrepresent the issue, because lazy parents will often allow their more medically complex child to be taken by the state so they don’t have to deal with the cost and burden of taking care of them. Those children by their very nature are more fragile and their deaths could’ve been an expected outcome of their disease process.

    And I’ll point out that up to 7 children die per day at the hands of abusive and neglectful parents. Channel your outrage to actually protect some children instead of just being pissed off at everyone. Be a part of the solution. Tell us what you’ve done for a needy child.

  • Children belong to Parents

    God gave children to Parents, not the Government!! The Government is supposed to stand behind the people not against the People!! Our Country is going down the drain & our families are suffering because of it! I will help the Seals!!

  • Children belong to Parents

    You WILL NOT break through my thought on “Children belong to their Parents” . God gave them to the parents, if the parents are not responsible to train them, teach them, love them they are accountable to God!! The community does not & WILL Never own my children. Over my dead body will you take them from me! They have been taught self defense, they will fight you too! Beware we are full- blooded Americans the way it was back in the day that we stood for Right!!

  • jb80538

    So tell me where the original doctor is in this whole thing. The one that initially diagnosed and treated her then moved to a different hospital, recommending the parents take her there to meet that same doctor before she was hijacked by someone else in the hospital.

  • jb80538

    These parents have the means and were getting successful treatment before the girl was hijacked.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for your thoughtful and respectful reply. You raise very good questions, for which I obviously have no answers; perhaps if the court records were open to the public, we would all know. I think due to HIPPA, the hospitals cannot talk. I suspect they would not want to talk out their perspectives in the media anyway. to all of us on the outside, it looks like Children’s jumped the gun. My opinion is for a judge to rule as he did, there has to be some evidence against the parents that has not been disclosed. Otherwise, the Order is difficult to comprehend.
    I tried to learn about the judge. Self described, he did his best to stay out of juvenile court as a teenager; one of five kids raised by a single mother; attended Catholic Memorial HS; state college and a lower tier law school; worked in probation as an intern; practiced law for ten years or so; appointed to the bench by the governor’s office in 2001. He describes his job as highly stressful and praises all of the judges and clerks in the juvenile court system as caring and hard working. I found no reason to believe that he is beholden to MA DCF or to Children’s. I have found only two of his decisions on appeal; both concerned significant physical abuse and parental rights termination. On appeal one was completely validated; the other partially validated and remanded for further fact finding concerning the mother’s visitations.
    I know this is a minority opinion, but I think that the last minute involvement of Mat Staver was a tactical error.. Perhaps Mr. Staver can rectify his tactical error on appeal.
    I am friends with two attorneys who serve as guardian ad litem. They are highly qualified due to their education and pre-legal degree work experience. They are passionate about the rights of the child and doing what is best for the child. In the case of Justina, remember the guardian ad litem and the parents’ prior attorney had reached an agreement for transfer to CT. so, I cannot critique her out of the record before us.

  • Kirsten Venere

    I have not seen an ounce of proof that the Pelletiers are abusive parents in anyway. They took their child to trained medical professionals who differed on their diagnosis. The fault belongs in the medical community. The Pelletiers have done everything right. You can’t blame them for threatening anyone who threatened their child. Any loving parent would do the same only this time some narcissist desk jockey at DCF got his nose out of joint and is making the child and her entire family suffer his/her egotistical consequences. This DCF sounds more like KGB. Frankly, having threats hurled at the staff sounds like the staff got off easy. Everyone knows not no mess with a mama bear. Saying prayers for the family.

  • Anonymous

    I would have already killed some people. This is a travesty of the worse kind.

  • Anonymous

    This harkens back to Hillary’s “It Takes A Village”
    I am not interested in taking your children away. :))
    It is merely a reflection of how the govt wants to partake in child rearing so as to engineer them in to green (red) malthusian think tank.

  • Anonymous

    On which expert advice?

  • ELAINE FLYNN

    Are the parents going to have to pay the cost of their daughter’s “stay” with the state?

  • Matthew Dorsey

    Control control control. A very sad day when a state is allowed to take custody of an individual without justifying the harm that may be out of that individuals hands. Have the parents done anything wrong? Clearly the sate of Massachusetts has not shown that Justina’s parents have caused her harm. Anger is anger. The parents are obviously upset, but does MA have the right to do this? If so, then we as citizens, need to repeal laws that take away our rights and freedoms!

  • Anonymous

    I will help pay for new cement shoes for the dcf personnel and this juge involved in the murder of this child should she die before being returned to her parents. What is going to happen is she will be returned to the parents when she is at deaths door and then the state a==holes will charge the parents with neglect, etc.

  • Anonymous

    Please report o Bellevue for immediate permanent hospitalization. Please avail yourself to the lobotomy offered there. It will increase your mental capacity 200 per cent. Wait, 200 percent of zero is still zero. Have the lobotomy anyway. It won’t hurt.

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like Nazis to me. You cannot take care of your child as well as the state. That’s what the Nazis said and did. Children were taken from their parents if they didn’t toe the line.

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps the hospital is getting paid with Obamacare and likes the money or worse yet, isn’t getting paid and taking it out on this family.

  • Anonymous

    They are angry, but how do you fight the state that has all the power and all the money it needs to fight them.

  • Anonymous

    You’re right about all of that. If I were her parents, I would do just about anything to sue them just to stop them from ever attempting anything like this again.

  • Anonymous

    So you can’t call people Nazis when they act like them? Are we now to be punished because of the words we use? Something is terribly wrong here.

  • Anonymous

    Kind of like that little Cuban boy who was snatched out of his family home by men with rifles in the middle of the night and whisked back to Cuba. I can see this happening. Who is brave enough?

  • Alexis Bannister

    It’s important that each of us reject the tyrant’s designs for absolute despotism: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0094KY878

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps they will use her body as fuel to heat the hospital like they did with dead babies in the UK.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe there should be a march to this hospital. March around it like Joshua at Jericho until the walls come tumbling down. It’s the people vs. the state. Not just this family.

  • Anonymous

    Every state’s social services has the ability to do this. The difference between Massachusetts and the rest of the nation is that the people of that state are far more willing to be controlled by big government. I’ve interviewed in Boston when I was applying to residency/grad school and given papers at conferences there. There is a vast difference in the thought processes of the people there from the midwest and west.
    The parents have lost all custody to their daughter, including the right to direct and oversee her medical care. The state has appointed a guardian ad litem that is individually responsible for signing off on any treatments that require a parent or guardian’s signature, but on paper, the state of Massachusetts is officially her ward. They have asked the judge to sign off on treatment at Tufts Medical Center. This was ordered by the judge, then he refused to honor his own order and instead shipped her off to a group home where she was receiving no medical care at all. Since then, he has revoked all of the orders that he gave in his ruling about a month ago. Since then, he was angered by the parents speaking to the press and decided to permanently remove custody from her parents and revoked his order to have her treated at Tufts.
    Everything that can be done is being done. There are plenty of online petitions where hundreds of thousands of signatures have been delivered to all involved parties and the story has been constantly in the news over the last six months. Short of that, praying that SOMEONE in the judicial system of Massachusetts will stop thinking about their own wounded egos and start thinking about the needs of the child and the family.

  • Anonymous

    If either of them flaunted the judge’s order, he would then have the responsibility to send the Massachusetts state police to remove her from their custody, and the involved parties would then be experiencing arrest, fines and a stay in a county jail. If the judge refused to enforce it, the parents would then have grounds to, through their attorney, request the intervention of the justice department.
    No sane hospital would ever do this because it would be grounds to have their HIPAA certification revoked and their social services program decertified.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know what your malfunction is, but you make an awful lot of wild claims that you don’t reference, all while challenging information that others have already referenced. Why don’t YOU prove your claims? Or is it that you simply rely on your own imagination, rather than being part of the “solution”. You sound like a scratchy record straight out of the 1970’s.
    Here’s a solution for you…go to a liberal website where your audience will never question your intelligence or facts so long as you’re saying the right words. I have no idea how old you are, but if you have children and you’re okay with how this case has been handled, you either are the worst parent imaginable, or a sociopath. I’m voting on both.

  • Anonymous

    WinnieR sent a reference that supports your position. Take a look at the reference and it will show why leftist progressives believe that parents are NOT entitled to their children.

  • Anonymous

    All of her original doctors have been sidelined, including a child psychiatrist.

  • Anonymous

    If this were my child, someone would have lost their life that first night. Frankly, after the ruling that this judge made in the reversal of his previous orders, I’m not sure how I could hold back.
    I read the ruling. It had no justification for his reasoning, yet he managed to mention how the parents had angered him by talking about the case. He also ordered psychological exams for the parents. If I were their attorney, I’d make certain that whoever does the exams would be picked by him/her.
    This appears to be little more than a weak man’s wounded ego and an abuse of his position in order to extract revenge for the parents having dared to believe that they have more rights to their child than him. Of course, if he thought that his name was dragged through the mud before, this is sure to make his life as miserable as he’s ever seen in his entire career.

  • Anonymous

    Winnie, I don’t think this moron could find his way out of the inside of a paper bag. If those facts were even out there for the public to know, the liberal press would have been all over it and been trumpeting this from the rooftops. I think he’s just trolling trying to stir up trouble.

  • Anonymous

    If she was thriving under Tufts care, then why did they refer her to Children’s, and why was a ‘thriving’ child described by her parents as unable to walk, slurring her speech, and giving them fear that she was going to choke to death (the parent’s words before she arrived at Boston Childrens)? How do you know that she cannot walk, that she is losing her hair, and her skin color is pasty? You can make that assessment from the cherry-picked photos that the parents share?

    You don’t know that there were no positive results unless you have access to her records.

  • Anonymous

    If you are not demanding reference for the claims of others here who claim to know Justina’s condition, then you are a hypocrite. Everything I’ve pointed out is public record, but someone who is too stupid to figure that out is too stupid to understand what is actually going on here.

    And the very fact that you focused solely on insulting me indicates that you don’t have a shred of logic to stand on; such a tactic is called ad hominem, and it’s the dialogue tool of the weak-minded.

  • Anonymous

    It’s in the court document. Just where are you getting your information?

  • Anonymous

    What kind of rhe-tahrdo doesn’t know the content of the court records that were released?

  • Anonymous

    She wasn’t referred to Boston Children’s. She was having GI symptoms and her doctor had a friend who practiced at Boston Children’s hospital. He is a children’s GI specialist and, as I said, a friend of the doctor who told her parents to take her to the ER at Boston Children’s. Instead of being seen by Dr. Alex Flores as the parents requested, instead, they were met by a barrage of residents and staff from psychiatry after receiving a call from a second year ER resident.
    You really love playing fast and loose with the truth. How do you think a formal referral occurs? Since you seem to believe you have some advanced insight, why don’t you attempt to enlighten the rest of us with your intimate knowledge of the medical community? In case you’re still want to push this idiotic claim, referrals do NOT go through emergency rooms. This was an informal recommendation because of a friendship between two physicians practicing in different hospital systems.
    Your reasoning is as ludicrous and infantile as any I’ve encountered in a very long time. I’m a physician and a scientist. NONE of this fiasco was handled properly in the beginning. None of it has been handled properly since. I’m glad that you are a loyalist fan of the Obama agenda of nanny state implementation. Good for you. You’re proof positive that the average liberal is the most vapidly clueless fool on earth.

  • Anonymous

    I already have the documentation, genius and I’ve addressed it on the basis of the law in my previous postings. NOTHING that you’ve pointed to has ANYHING to do with the case, but of course, your attacks on this family with phony claims of insider knowledge is pathetic. Don’t tell me…you searched MSNBC for their credit ratings.
    If you can’t produce the proof for your claims, then calling me a hypocrite may help you believe you can divert the attention from your own failures, but it doesn’t change the fact that you, in fact, do NOT have the information. Answer the challenge factually, address it with some modicum of intellect and we’ll talk.
    You began your very first posting by insulting every person on this site. Whining about the responses to your own ad hominem attacks only makes you look even more foolish than you already appeared. Thanks for the eighth grade vocabulary lesson, by the way. I’m sure you believe that your writing illustrates a high education level. Keep thinking…maybe you’ll improve over time.

  • independent thinker

    One big difference. The thugs that took the Cuban boy were government thugs. My idea involves private citizens (note my use of the prefix ex).

  • Anonymous

    YOU, and thank you for pointing that out. How about you post the exact section of the “court records” that you’d point to as evidence of your reasoning? You brought it up. You made the claim. Now argue on the merit of what you’re claiming. Or is it more satisfying to just claim you know the “facts”?
    The more you write, the more obvious you do not have the education to play this hand. Careful, your writing style is devolving to grade school pejoratives. If you keep going, it’s only going to reveal how little education you actually possess.

  • Anonymous

    You have no idea what you are talking about. This is not how legitimate physician referrals are conducted, and telling them to take her to the emergency department to see a GI specialist makes as much sense as sending her to the endocrinologist office and telling them to go get the podiatrist. Ask any emergency room physician if it’s appropriate to use their emergency department for selective physician referral, especially a busy tertiary center like Boston Children’s, and they’ll look at you like you are nuts…which you obviously are.

    The parent’s description of her condition when she arrived was that she couldn’t walk, her speech was slurred, and they thought she was going to choke to death, but I suppose you can play fast and loose with the term “GI Symptoms” just like you have with the rest of the facts of this case.

    You clowns can’t even keep your story straight about who called who. You even contradict yourself with your attempt to explain how referrals work relative to emergency departments. While you contradicted yourself, you did get one thing right; a legitimate referral does not go through an emergency department, because when you go to an emergency department, you are going to be seen by an Emergency Room Physician! These are the top 25% of their medical school class, the smartest of the smart, and they are REQUIRED to evaluate a patient who arrives in the department. Say what you want about a 2nd year resident, but they are directly supervised by an attending. I’d also point out that the family never had any complaints about being admitted and didn’t start making a stink until day three of the admission, so blaming this on the emergency room is ridiculous; emergency room physicians relinquish care the moment it is transferred.

    A formal referral is required BY FEDERAL LAW for the physician who is making the referral to speak directly to the physician who is receiving the patient.

    You idiots are so narrow-minded that you can’t even try to talk about this without assigning labels. I am a tea party constitutionalist who refused to vote for McCain in 2008 because he was too liberal, so you can roll up your ad hominem attack and stick it in your smelly hole. You are proof positive that too many ldiots cant’ think for themselves and are willing to make ignorant conclusions without knowing the facts. Want to know who else does that? Global warming alarmists, to at least you’ve got lot’s of company.

  • Anonymous

    You’ve got copies of her medical records?

    You have no idea what you are talking about, and such a small brain is incapable of seeing the larger picture here.

    I’m tired of doing homework for people who are too stupid and lazy to do it themselves, but I will mock you for getting on board the clueless wagon and making a fool of yourself.

    All of the information is public record, but you tarhds are unwilling to listn to anything except what Beck and the parents tell you, and it may surprise you that they aren’t going to share the dirty details of their lives.

    I always reserve my insults until the uninformed start directing them at me, and I never have to wait long. Try to pretend that someone else started it, but it just makes you look more uninformed.

    So tell us what you know about the irresponsible behavior of the Pelletiers in the past? Please share just how much emotional trauma should someone suffer from whiplash after being rear-ended in a car accident?

  • Anonymous

    How about you read the court records that were actually posted on Glenn’s site, and I don’t have to constantly stop the short bus to redirect your delusional scatterbrains.

    Are you actually going to argue against the fact that Connecticut not only refused to take her case, but that they also listed her parents as unfit and that it was not in Justina’s best interest to return to her family?

  • smokehill

    You can’t get these morons to be swayed by actual facts. It’s much easier for them to swallow the swill pumped out by the Pelletiers & their cronies, aided by those — like Glenn Beck, unfortunately — who are so predisposed to mistrust ANY government agency that they don’t bother with looking at both sides.

    I stand behind no one in my hatred & mistrust of the government. I spent 25 yrs in the Army, much of it in the Pentagon & other D.C. jobs, so I know what a cesspool it is, and the local child welfare agencies are generally just abominable However, after noting all the hysterical (and sometimes obviously WRONG) claims by these parents, and going over the excellent Boston Globe history of this sad case

    http://www.tinyurl.com/nwy8tj4

    I feel safer leaving the medical decision to a judge & a guardian ad litem. Her parents, with absolutely no diagnostic or even medical training, firmly believe in their OWN diagnosis when even their original doctor says he is not sure at all of his tentative diagnosis.

    Therefore I put them in the same loony category as Jehovahs Witnesses, Christian Scientists, and others far too flaky to be allowed to make medical decisions for their children. Being born, to me, doesn’t automatically turn you into a slave or a guinea pig to be at the mercy of loony parents.

    This may not be a clear-cut case of one side being dead wrong & the other dead right. But I believe this child has the best chance with the court’s medical supervision than with her whacked-out parents’.

  • Anonymous

    Excellent post. It’s nice to see more and more of the skeptics sharing that something stinks in West Hartford.

  • Anonymous

    Lou and Linda are free to hire a psychologist of their own persuasion and pay him for the diagnosis they want just like they did with the doc and Tufts.

  • Anonymous

    People who sue over whiplash, etc., don’t write the complaints, lawyers do. And we all know that lawyers are given to excess when bringing personal injury lawsuits. Read some other PI lawsuits, and you’ll see that’s the case.

    There are a lot of not-great human beings in the world. That doesn’t mean the state should seize their children. If that was the case, a lot of very prominent people would lose theirs.

  • Anonymous

    Which prominent people are doctor shopping their kids for the diagnosis that brings them the most emotional satisfaction?

    The plaintiff’s demand the complaint be written. If they approve the hyperbole, then they are just as “given to excess” as the lawyers.

  • Anonymous

    Not true. Tufts ordered her mito doc to keep his mouth shut, and the man who gave an interview was a psychologist, not a psychiatrist, and he shared very little information.

    If she was so gregarious and athletic, then explain why she had to be taken to Boston Children’s under the conditions her parents described? Unable to walk, at risk of gagging “to death” and with slurred speech?

    Justina was not diagnosed in five minutes. The father states he was not presented with the alternative plan and potential diagnosis until day three. No Emed resident would ever attempt a somatoform diagnosis, primarily because such a diagnosis requires psychiatric evaluation, and I doubt you are really a physician …a doctor maybe, with a PhD in ‘nothing medical.’

    This family is using their daughter to validate the bad decisions they’ve been making in about every area of their life for the past seven years.

  • Anonymous

    Aren’t you aware of all the children that die in the care of child welfare services? The children that go missing? The fact that numerous child welfare workers in many states are caught not doing their jobs, or doing them with an axe to grind toward the parents?

    Also, remember that this is Boston, and the Children’s Hospital is a teaching hospital of Harvard. If you’ve ever lived in Boston, you would know that Harvard pretty much gets what it wants.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, but you are wrong. Casual referrals are often done–I saw them done several times with close relatives who were seriously ill. When someone becomes sick on weekends, in the middle of the night, etc., it’s not unheard of for a doctor to send you to the emergency room telling you what to say. If there is a law, patients don’t know about it, and some doctors are ignoring it.

    You have begun calling the people here idiots and ignorant, and are using crude, abusive language. Perhaps someone should investigate your parenting.

  • Anonymous

    Funny, years ago there was a story in the news about a woman who was suing Bellevue. She claimed she had gone to the emergency room, and the very new young resident there had put her in a locked ward and refused to let her sign herself out. There’s a reason that there’s an axiom to stay out of hospitals right after the new interns and residents begin their training, in July.

  • Anonymous

    Your point that there has to be some really compelling evidence for the court to keep the child from the parents is ridiculous. It’s not unusual for courts to do egregious things in the name of the law. I can’t imagine that you are so trusting and naive that you don’t think it’s at least possible that there are a lot of egos involved here, and a whole lot of CYA going on.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not referring to anyone in particular, merely that even prominent people are sometimes guilty of being not-great human beings. If we are going to start taking people’s children away because of that, better start building old-time orphanages.

  • Angela Marie Tomlinson-Teague

    Your experience with mitochondrial cases might be lacking: The parents took her there in the attemp to keep her complex medical care under the same people. Her very talented GI physician transferred there. I applaud them for trying…it is difficult with a mito child to do so! When a person with already impaired mito function takes ill…they can fail quickly! This is what happened to Justina! She caught somethibg as simple as the flu from a friend or family member and ( like MY daughter) her gut slowed due to gastro paresis and her bowels were at threat to become impacted. The family followed protocol and called her well known physician and he suggested heading to the hospital. Going to the ER in a busy hospital gets your foot in the door to see busy specialists who might not have time for appointments. ER trips are often just a formality and these kids are fast tracked to inpatient. In this case, the child was supposed to fadt track to ONLY her GI doc but a wet behind the ears psych doc was on rotation in the er and made a VERY rash jump without consulting other doctirs.Jus Justina was thriving! Please also keep in mind the HUGE investment the hospital has in the research of this somatoform dx! Huge financial investment

  • Anonymous

    Tell me all about your experience with mitochondrial disease.

    You have no idea why the parents took here there, and instead will take the word of one stranger over another.

    It’s unethical and irresponsible to place the burden of gaining access to specialists by going to the emergency department. That is why the number of people who enter the emergency room every year roughly represents 41% of the US population. If they don’t have time for an appointment, they don’t have time to come running to the emergency department on a moments notice to see a patient who showed up unannounced, and in fact in a teaching hospital going to the emergency department guarantees that the first phase of physicians who see you will be residents and fellows, not attendings.

    Since I’ve spent years working in emergency medicine, I’ll point out that the information you share is nonsense, and yet again shows that you folks can’t get your story straight.

    Boston Children’s also has a specialized mitochondrial program. Everyone ignores that. Please tell us, however, what their “investment” is in somatoform disorder.

    And when you finally figure out how emergency medicine, teaching hospitals, residencies, and clinical research operates please feel free to bring your condescension back for another round.

  • Anonymous

    I work in emergency medicine, so no, I’m not wrong. Here’s who knows it’s wrong; emergency medicine physicians, and when non-emergency physicians begin using their busy emergency rooms as clinics for their referrals, emergency room physicians will remind them of the law specifically because it leads to nonsense like this and it places the HOSPITAL at a huge risk for EMTALA violations.

    And enough with your whining. I never bring my adult dialogue to these discussions as a primer, but the instant you uninformed clowns takes your first shot at me, then it’s all fair game. Don’t start none, won’t be none.

  • Anonymous

    Funny…residents don’t have the ability to petition someone for involuntary admission so please save your tales for the schoolyard.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, the ego and experience of Judge Johnston should operate to put pressure on himself to make sure he had the evidence to meet the “clear and convincing” standard. If his decision is overruled by an appellate court particularly because he failed to support his decision on the facts, Having had jurisdiction over this case for so long, one would think he made sure he had the support for his decision. I think people here underestimate what the impact of having your rulings overturned on appeal does to a judge.

  • Freddy Boisseau

    Yes, that is how it should work. But just think for a moment, the State Police are part of the Executive, they enforce DCF judgments also. If DCF determines you are threat to a child, the Police are used to enforce the removal of the child, before any hearing. So if the Executive does not comply, where are you a Judge left standing. Something is fishy here.

  • lionofjuda

    Will you people please stop responding to the A$$ know as…StreyDawg
    Thanks you!!

  • Anonymous

    And the idiocy just continues. I’m a doctor, genius. What you’re describing is pure fantasy. HIPAA does not require a formal referral. It actually made it easier for physicians to confer between each other without having to go through so many hoops. It is designed to protect patient confidentiality for those who have no business being involved in a patient’s care.
    You really ought to make some attempt to research your subject prior to waxing poetic on a subject of which you are woefully, and willingly ignorant. You haven’t the slightest idea of how ANY hospital or physician’s office handles any case, much less doctor’s notes and referrals. The only reason that formal referrals are required at all is to satisfy the patient’s insurance. Nothing that is in the referral is relevant to the patient’s treatment when communicating between two doctors. It is the patient record that contains the pertinent information.
    You seem to revel in ignorance. Instead of putting in the work required to even understand a subject, you act like your information came from a daytime soap opera.
    In the case of this child, the two doctors in question are personal friends. Justina was sent to the ER to be admitted through the ER. Their internist had already called the ER to ask them to do the admit. This is done every day. It’s nothing unusual. The ER doctor will do a history and physical, treat any acute problems, clear a room on a floor, move the patient, then contact the requested specialist. Non-acute problems can be handled by interoffice referrals as needed, but this case did not involve a chronic problem. She had flu-like symptoms. That’s where the nightmare began. Their doctor made the call, but does not have admitting privileges at Boston Children’s Hospital, thus the ER doc’s admit.
    Prior to just opening your mouth and spewing whatever nonsense you have planned, just the tiniest bit of self education would be appropriate in case your opponent actually happens to be an expert in the field you’re purporting to understand. But that would be way too much work, wouldn’t it? You’re an abject fool who’s just trying to cause trouble to gain attention.
    I notice that you still haven’t bothered to post your references. Yawn…guess we’ll all be waiting for a while.

  • Anonymous

    Yawn. Oh, I’m sorry…were you talking? I thought you were just farting through your mouth again.

  • Anonymous

    Still passing gas? Tell you what…why don’t you give us a medical and molecular breakdown of what constitutes mitochondrial disease and then enlighten all of us as to how her condition isn’t mitochondrial disease. Or you can keep whining about inanities that have no basis in fact. And imagine how absolutely wounded I must feel that you don’t believe I’m a physician. I’m not certain I can go on in life without your stamp of approval. After all, your knowledge of admission procedures, medical diagnosis and treatment is so vast, I’m not sure that I could ever compete. Truly…my feelings are irreparable.

  • Anonymous

    You really don’t have the slightest self-control do you? Since you claim to know federal law covering referrals and you claim it is “unethical” to send a patient to the ER for admission, I’m sure you have those laws at your fingertips. Which sections of the federal code would that be? You also claim that it is an ethical violation. How about you show me where in Massachusett’s or Connecticut’s medical ethics guidelines I could find the specific information you’re referring to?
    Now you’re claiming that you’ve spent years in emergency medicine? Really…interesting how someone who’s spent “years working in emergency medicine” knows absolutely nothing about admission procedures. It’s so nice to know someone like you completed medical school, internship, residency and worked as a physician in a teaching hospital so we can all trust your insider knowledge. Gee, if I had all that knowledge and accumulated experience, I wouldn’t feel so humbled by your vast experience.
    How long will we have to wait for those legal references and your review of mitochondrial disease? Just a ballpark number?

  • Anonymous

    Do you happen to tutor “adult dialogue”? No…wait…you teach English grammar…

  • Anonymous

    What impact would that be? Is his job threatened in some way? Will his “reviews” go down? Being overturned on appeal is something that many judges revel in. For example, most of the decisions accepted by the supreme court on appeal from the ninth federal circuit court (more than 90%) are reversed on appeal. Does that stop them? Nope. Short of embarrassment from public censure, there is no downside to being overturned.

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps, but none of what you’re describing has occurred yet. At this point, it’s purely hypothetical.
    I’ve never actually seen a hospital that has defied a judge’s order because if they were to do that, it would open them to all kinds of reviews from medical certification and hospital rating organizations to preferred provider downgrading by insurance companies to Department of Health reviews and revocation of liability insurance. That last one would be the biggest threat to the hospital because any liability incurred secondary to their refusal to comply with a legal judicial mandate would be used as an excuse by the hospital’s liability carrier to deny attorney’s fees or coverage for liability incurred as a result of that decision.
    There could also be criminal charges leveled against the administrators who made the decision because the second that the order was defied and custody was not released, they are guilty of criminal custodial interference and could even be charged with kidnapping. I’ve never heard of a hospital that would take a stance that could result in its demise. Most hospital boards would take over if this were to occur, and force compliance.

  • Anonymous

    Sure. He’s gone way past rationality, so your suggestion is a good one.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, I disagree with you. Trial court judges who ultimately are referees to disputes, care a great deal about being overturned on appeal. particularly when it comes to a holding that the facts did not support their determination of the law. Maybe this Judge does not care. Even though he is on the bench till 70, barring any malfeasance..However, this would not be a good case to sake one’s legacy on, if his decision was routed on appeal.
    obviously, with appellate courts, the analysis is different. The infamous Ninth Circuit, like all of the Federal Circuit Courts of appeals consider themselves to be junior versions of the Supreme Court. Given the highly politicized process of judicial confirmations in the post Bork era, my opinion is that the Federal Circuits have become battlegrounds for political decisions as much as application of federal statutes.

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry, I didn’t realize you were referring to the emotional drawbacks of being reversed on appeal. In this, you are correct that normally reversal would have a negative personal impact, but based on the fact that he overturned his own previous ruling and imposed some very punitive new rules on the Pelletiers using only his anger at what they were saying as justification in his ruling, I would say that he has lost sight of the future and is only thinking about revenge. I can’t imagine that he will come out of this looking like anything more than a vindictive, petty man.
    DCF interpreted his ruling to mean that they could now deny the Pelletiers ANY access to their daughter and attempted to cut off visitation. They have now reversed that decision, but it tells me that these people are TOO emotionally involved in this case and that they are acting out of anger and indignation and not in the best interest of the child. In my opinion, both the judge and DCF are going to be very embarrassed in the future as they try to explain their actions. I don’t believe that they will ever be able to successfully explain how any of this benefited the family or Justina herself. If there’s any decency at all in them, hopefully, they will feel a great deal of shame for allowing their personal feelings to affect their treatment of an innocent child.
    The very fact that none of these people can put themselves into the place of the Pelletiers and think about how they would react were it THEIR child, tells me they’ve been irredeemably inculcated in their roles as government drones and have forgotten what it feels like to have a faceless, cold entity tell loving parents that they have no right to be involved in their child’s welfare. The Pelletiers are watching their daughter’s condition worsen. Regardless of the diagnosis, nothing that these officials are doing is remotely ethical, and from a medical standpoint, it is harmful. None of the treatment regimens they are using, especially isolation, is a logical, ethical, and explicable treatment plan that would be found in any medical curriculum, either psychology, psychiatry or internal medicine. That alone, argues that what they are doing is wrong.

  • Karolína Honsová

    This case makes me sick to my stomach. I come from a post-communist country which makes me very sensitive to all forms of injustice and abuse of power. This sounds like something that could have happen only in my country during the communist, totalitarian era. Wake up, Americans! The fact that you have freedom now doesn’t mean that you will always have it. Don’t take it for granted. Living in freedom is not “usual” or “normal”, you have to fight for sustaining liberty everyday.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for reminding us. Even those of us who continually strive for freedom couldn’t possibly understand what we have the way you do.

  • Holly Leeming

    Do believe that my comment to you was less insulting then the comment you made to Conner. I see absolutely no empathy in your remark. You pass this off as mistakes happen all the time, with a get over it attitude. This is were you and I disagree when mistakes happen they usually only happen once and then something is done to rectify them so it does not happen again, with DFS these are no longer mistakes this is intentional. I really don’t know if you feel as you do because it justifies who you are in society, and the reason I could never be a foster parent would be because I would want to know why the child was removed and whose heart was torn out to do it, I would not be able to live with myself caring for a child that loved their family and was taken on unjust grounds as to what has happened to Justina. And no I do not believe all foster parent are doing society justice, instead the are giving the DFS the edge to be able to remove more children, however they see fit. If Justina dies it will be on the head of DFS an she will just be another name on the list

  • http://suzeraining.wordpress.com/ suz

    blah blah yhati blah. DON’T LOOK OVER THERE LOOK OVER HERE! whenever some one challenges government and/or quasi-government bad acts, there’s always a whining liberal championing them.

    use your righteous indignation to find out what’s been going on w/JUSTINA’S particular case instead of lauding insults or contrarian views to the critic. on its face, you’re ignorant not to see this. where is the evidence that justina is a victim of somatoform (as BC suggests) or has some somatic condition as the judge suggests? somebody’s wrong. the judge made a 100% reversal two weeks apart on behalf of the state.

    why don’t you spend a paragraph on that?

    i think what rattles you is that i’m probably closer to the truth and that’s scary for every one.

  • Anonymous

    You don’t really pay attention, do you? I never said it was unethical to send a patient to the ED for admission; I pointed out that it is illegal and unethical for physicians to make admission referrals by using the emergency department. EMTALA. It’s not a mystery.

    I know admission procedures, and nothing in my comments were about admission procedures. And when you can post something on the topic without being a condescending @zzwhole, then maybe you would actually have something of benefit to share.

  • Anonymous

    You are obviously not a physician, and you are blatantly wrong. EMTALA was not about making it easier, but about reducing the patient dumping that was going on, and requiring physician-to-physician consult before making a referral. And if it were as simple as two docs making a referral over a patient, then the receiving physician should’ve arranged a direct admit. The fact that it didn’t happen that way makes me believe that there is far more to the story which the family doesn’t want you to know about.

    You are the one posting absolute nonsense, and it has nothing to do with insurance because the same rules apply to people who are uninsured, and in fact it was because of the epidemic of dumping of uninsured patients that EMTALA was passed. There is no need to admit “through the ER,” and it is in fact improper use of resources. Why not admit through the outpatient GI clinic? Sounds like it would’ve been more appropriate. Or why not do it the right way and just direct-admit her? Ask any ED physician if it’s appropriate to use their ED for “admitting through the ED.”

    The ED physician has ZERO control over “clearing a room” on the floor. That is not even close to being a component of what they do. But keep making stuff up; you know absolutely nothing about what happened that night or what her symptoms were, but lets all see you running your mouth like you actually work there.

    Keep on keeping on; real providers are laughing at your nonsense and shaking their head. Educate yourself. Review Connecticut open court and tax records. Don’t be so lazy.

  • Anonymous

    First, you prove that it is mitochondrial disease. Good luck with that since even her own doctor at Tufts admitted that he wasn’t entirely sure that it was. He also admitted that 7% of his mito patients who were reported for abuse were legitimate victims in his opinion.

    Maybe someday you’ll pull yourself out of the illogical toilet of the ad hominem.

  • Anonymous

    Do you happen to have a point…no wait, you got a “doctorate” from Google University.

  • Anonymous

    If that were what this was about, you might have a point.

  • Holly Leeming

    Is that the way you see it, just so you know the Doctor at Tufts initially spent a lot more time with Justina to come to their conclusion. In fact making them more thorough then the idiots at Boston’s,. The Pellitier family should have the right to chose any doctor they would like to work with their daughter, that is not a crime. As in this case the judge is very biased in favour of Boston’s children’s, he will in fact do the same with a DFS appointed psycologist test on the parents. The Judge does not have a degree in psychology nor as a physician but is allowed to sit in a chair and make a diagnosis as to what this child has, by picking out one of three diagnosis given. Kangaroo court. Idiots like you grasp at straws to discredit anyone and you now chose to discredit the Pellitiers by trying to turn everything around as if they deserve what they got. Common sense dosnt play a big role in your life, so you chose to sway off into your own la la land. So tell me what makes you think that if the Pellitiers get another opinion from another psycologist that it will have any credibility in court when the Judge stipulated the DFS was to appoint the psycologist?

  • Jane Dilatush

    I agree and thought that since I heard about this? Dr. Norma Spack at Children’s Hospital? Hmmm!

  • Anonymous

    if my comment demonstrates a lack of empathy, then I was inarticulate. I do have empathy–I have seen kids put into the juvenile justice system who never should have. My comment about mistakes happening every day, is merely a statement of fact and to distinguish between that and the Justina Pelletier case–which may prove to be a complete miscarriage of justice and railroading job. But we the general public do not know all the facts.
    I read your posts, and am sorry for your personal loss of children. my views on foster care, or rather the adoption of children out of foster care are based on my life experience. My sister’s adopted children were parented by substance abusers who for whatever reason could not provide for themselves, much less a young baby. It was a long process–three and four years caring as foster parents before adoption. The children are doing well and the family is bonded. The birth parents at some point later in life may well attain some level of responsibility.

    I too am an adoptive parent. My wife and I weighed the issues of raising “someone else’s” child and did not come to the decision easily. The babies were given up for adoption because the birth moms could not care for them and the birth dads were out of the picture.

    But obviously, this is not the case of the Pelletiers. despite my suspicion that something is up, I have nothing but sympathy for the family and Justina.

    you should be more careful when you suggest to others who you do not know, that they know nothing or are agents of the evil government apparatus.

  • Anonymous

    righteous indignation? How about lets stay focused on the questions before the forum. You suggested Mengele like experimentation at Children’s. If you have the evidence I suggest you present it to the authorities.

    I have stated my views on the case in full. I think it is a tragedy and the family is currently represented by the wrong lawyer. I pray that a resolution is reached in the favor of Justina soon and if DCF and Children’s is wrong, they will pay will a multimillion dollar settlement.

  • Anonymous

    There is no logic in the comment you make about how much time the Tufts physician spent with her, that does not mean he got it right, and he in fact admitted that he was not entirely sure that Justina has Mitochondrial disorder. And you have no idea to the extent of his testing, so you have no idea how “thorough” he was.

    Of course they have a right to choose the physician they “like,” but they should be choosing a clinical plan which isn’t based on “like” but based on clinical evidence and health. It is a crime to shop for doctors to obtain the therapy you want instead of the therapy you need.

    You have no idea about the bias of this judge, and his ruling was not even about Boston Children’s. Please tell us about his education since you propose to know what it is. You also have no understanding of the court process, which his that the judge makes a ruling based on the information provided to him by both sides, and he did not make a diagnosis.

    What is hilarious is reading you make speculation after speculation, and then insult me as “grasping at straws,” even while 100% of the information I shared is verifiable in open records on the Connecticut court records website, and Connecticut tax records. No one said that they deserved what they got, because there is evidence that they may be getting away with substantial misbehavior, but the very function of family court is to avoid criminalizing the parents so they can preserve their opportunity to regain custody of their child.

    You should learn how the court system works. The Pelletier’s have the right to petition for whatever expert they want. There is no restriction to a single psychologist. You really need to get out more. And to take a chill pill.

  • Anonymous

    How could I forget!

  • Anonymous

    And to add, the mitochondrial doc that diagnosed her admitted that he didn’t do a muscle biopsy, which is standard of care in diagnosing mitochondrial disorder, nor did he do any genetic testing.

    In the absence of these standards of care, the physicians at BCH also noted that Justina had a normal metabolic profile, these components dismantling the idea that Justina had mitochondrial disorder.

    But in a world where you pull a position out of your butt, I suppose you can tolerate the same when a physician does it with a diagnosis.

  • Anonymous

    Beck’s new title screen remind anybody else of “Saved by the Bell.”

  • PackmanJohnny

    I’ll cover the QuickCrete Bath….

  • Anonymous

    That you work in emergency medicine is somewhat surprising, and rather frightening. I wouldn’t want to be in a situation where I was being treated by you.

    Nobody here is “whining,” unless that’s what you call their disagreeing with you.

  • Anonymous

    If you cared to, you could look it up. It was in the newspaper. The doctor apparently ordered the patient held.

    I don’t frequent schoolyards. Do you?

  • Anonymous

    I agree with what you are saying, especially about the isolation Justina has been subjected to. She was a teenager attending school, and now DCF has seen to it that she was ripped from her home and school, kept for a year in a hospital, with much of that time in a locked ward. Imagine the fear and loneliness she must be experiencing.

  • Anonymous

    They can’t resist me.

    And you can’t refute me.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for the ad hominem. It’s simple reinforcement that logic does not dictate the foundation of your criticisms.

  • Anonymous

    Well hey, if the newspaper said it, then it has to be true. They obviously reviewed the medical records and saw the physician’s petition. FYI, a physician is unable to “order” that a patient is “held.” They are OBLIGATED to petition for a commitment.

    It’s obvious you’ve never been to school.

  • Anonymous

    Tell us all what you know about the inside of a hospital psych unit.

  • Anonymous

    No, I defer to you. You appear to be well acquainted with psych wards.

  • Anonymous

    @StreyDawg Your work in emergency medicine must be mopping the floors in an ER. You are such an arrogant idiot who displays absolutely no knowledge of the medical facts in this case. Who are you, the doctor who’s treating Justina?

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for your liberal-minded argument. It is about as credible as a cat turd in a sandbox.

  • Anonymous

    That you are unwilling to even consider the fact that the parents are not making the wrong decision for Justina is disturbing. I hope you don’t have any children.

    Everyone here is whining. Whining about being called out for their hypocrisy and because they’ve been categorized negatively, while failing to realize that they are projecting their own ignorance.

  • Anonymous

    Dear God..please have mercy on this man patients should he really be a doctor(which I doubt) His anger and ego could be a danger to anyone let alone a sick patient.

  • Holly Leeming

    Here is a letter from Kathleen Higgens RN to Olga Roche Department of children and families Commissioner. I suggest you read, unless you of course are more credible then an RN at BCH. http://tribwtic.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/higgins-letter-pdf.pdf

  • Holly Leeming
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  • Holly Leeming

    Do you need more I can find lots.http://youtu.be/O7horT_3Vy0

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  • Anonymous

    Canada.

    Don’t care.

  • Holly Leeming

    That’s because you are an idiot.

  • Anonymous

    I lived in Atlanta when this woman and her husband knocked themselves off in their home. Here is what Georgia CPS has become since she started her criticism; CPS essentially no longer wants to get involved in protecting children and now there is an epidemic of children being abused and found in despicable conditions in Georgia…and guess who is being blamed.

    Hint; it’s the CPS who is being criticized for failing to remove these children from these homes.

    Make up your mind.

  • Holly Leeming

    And Nancy Shaefer was an American Senator. That happened to have died , during this time she had been exposing CPS on their corruption.

  • Anonymous

    One letter from one person who used to work at BCH is definitely no more credible than thousands of other nurses and doctors who continue to work there.

  • Holly Leeming

    True justice would be if a person like yourself would get caught up in this system and have their children removed.

  • Anonymous

    It’s pretty funny to see someone who is so certain about things they actually cannot prove, and that they obviously know nothing about.

    Before Justina entered BCH, she couldn’t walk, she couldn’t swallow, and her speech was slurred…well, at least according to her parents that was the case. I supposed you could suffer from all of those things and still be a fantastic ice-skater.

    You don’t know that a wheelchair was or was not used before, and you have ZERO evidence that she is “confined” to one now. Hospital security did not make the decision to restrict access. They don’t make that call.

    BCH was the second opinion. You don’t know that her hair is falling out, you don’ t know that she does or does not have “red marks” on her stomach, and you don’t know that she has leg edema. You don’t know that she is dying, and pretty much your entire post isn’t worth the breaths you took while writing it.

    It’s nothing more than fabricated fecal matter.

  • Anonymous

    Hello my special ed friend. The Boston Globe that all you cheerleaders keep referring to reports that the mother told them during the interview that they fear Justina was going to “choke to death” and that she couldn’t walk and hand slurred speech, and that is why they took her to Boston Childrens.

    If she were doing so fantastic, then there shouldn’t have been a reason to take her to the hospital.

    You clowns can’t even get your story straight.

  • Anonymous

    Since I don’t abuse my children, or insult caregivers, or haul my children all over the place to shop for a diagnosis, and because I pay my mortgage, utilities, and don’t lie, I’m not worried about it.

  • Holly Leeming

    Yeah you come to your own conclusion on this subject seems to me that’s what you have done with the Pellitier case too. I wouldn’t believe a word that came out of your mouth. Just seems a little coincidental CPS workers are going into hiding after exposing CPS to me a Senator that commited suicide along with her husband, no explanation to why. And little sheep like you to dumb to think for yourself, convinced the system is perfect, that all judges upholds the law, CPS has never removed a child unless it has actual proof of abuse. Lawyers always tell the truth. You continue to live in your la la land, while the rest of us go on in reality. If you wanted the truth you would find it, but you would rather remain delusional.

  • Anonymous

    As a state senator, her job is to fix the CPS, not demonize them.

    And in case your SAS distracted you, Georgia CPS has backed off on taking custody of kids, and now the state is turning into a cesspool of child abuse. And CPS is not being blamed for failing to take custody of those children.

    There is no end to the contradictions that you clowns will propose.

  • Anonymous

    More Canada…still don’t care. Why don’t you post something from Mexico next?

  • Anonymous

    You make a whole lot of assumptions in that barely coherent post that have no basis in reality. I never said or proposed a single thing that you said, but such fantasy is all you have to create a place where you are comfortable building your damaged argument.

    If you think I’ve posted a single word in defense of DCF or CPS, feel free to share it here. I am, in fact, taking the moderate approach which looks at the information from both sides instead of refusing to see the truth about how the Pelletiers have been behaving both before this happened, and since.

    I’m also applying common sense, which has been largely abandoned by the critics. There is practically no chance that the hundreds of people involved in her care have collaborated to do the wrong thing for Justina.

    I know far more about this than you do; it’s precisely because I brought MORE information to this discussion that idiots like you are attacking me instead of educating yourself.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, and CPS workers are going into hiding?
    LOL!!!!!

    You do realize this is real life, not a soap opera, right?

    Holy schitt, some people are so stupid I wonder who turns on their computer for them.

  • Holly Leeming

    I have never seen anyone fight as hard as you have on an issue, only to make yourself look like an absolute moron. Your arrogance is beyond belief you have attacked basically everyone that opposes your opinion, which would make me wonder what are your vested interest is in this case. You have question my credibility and many others including the Pellitier family and Glen Beck, assuming everyone should take you as credible, why? Have you dealt with CPS? What experience do you have with the justice system, are you a Doctor or psycologist? For all any of us know you could be yourself a CPS worker, trying to validate your existence. If you had even watched the videos prior to your ignorant comments, there is evidence stating my claim. But your mission isn’t to tell the truth, it is in fact to sway people from the truth.

  • Holly Leeming

    Here is a video of one of those very workers, and you are right Holy Schitt, you are stupid. And probably in need of an education. http://fightcps.com/fight-child-protective-services/social-workers/

  • JJ

    I wonder how the State could take custody of another States citizen? maybe it’s time to rally the Connecticut National Guard to go over there and recover it’s citizen

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  • Anonymous

    There are also petitions to congress to nationalize the twinkie industry and build a deathstar, so what is your point?

  • Anonymous

    She’s hiding on the internet? For real?

    You are hilarious. You should hydrate or something. I’m pretty sure any other effort to orient yourself is a waste of time.

  • Anonymous

    The very fact that you are so focused on me instead of attempting to rationally discuss this issue indicates that you have absolutely nothing of substance to present. The instant I post a purely subjective presentation on this issue, what do you think your uninformed and “go-dly” friends did in response to my post? They attacked me with an ignorance and insidiousness that no doubt would make Jes-us proud, so don’t be so surprised if I don’t give a ff about what you think of me. The people who hold your views are not all rainbows and lollipops when it comes to interacting with people, and if you can’t handle it, then don’t dish it out. Be a grownup.

    The credibility of the Pelletier family speaks for itself. You people refuse to even consider the faintest notion that they might have done something wrong, and that bodes poorly for a child who may need protection. Why you would want to err on that issue is disturbing.

    For all I now you are Linda Pelle-tier, hoping to all h that you get your daughter back so she can be denied the care that multiple physicians said she needs, and corral her into an uncertain diagnosis that keeps her disabled and fragile, and then you can use her as a weapon against the bank that tried to repossess your home seven years ago, and to fight off the tax liens from a few other hospitals, while convincing the state of Connecticut that they can’t turn off the utilities that you haven’t paid in years because you have a disabled person living in the house.

    That girl is literally worth almost a million dollars to them, and losing custody and that diagnosis is going to end that gravy train.

    And if you would take one hour of your time to review this families legal and financial history (of irresponsibility) instead of attacking me like a rab-id little poodle, you would find that you aren’t so truthful as you claim to be.

  • Holly Leeming
  • Holly Leeming

    Boston Psychiatric Unit’s Year Long Incarceration of Teenager Justina Pelletier Merits State Investigation According to Mental Health Watchdog, CCHR
    The international mental health watchdog organization, Citizens Commission on Human Rights, is calling on Massachusetts State Attorney General to investigate Boston Children’s Hospital Psychiatric Unit in the case of Justina Pelletier’s 13 month incarceration.

    Because a child’s well-being hangs in the balance, Citizens Commission on Human Rights calls on the Massachusetts State Attorney General to investigate Boston Children’s Hospital Psychiatric Unit.
    Los Angeles, California (PRWEB) April 01, 2014

    For thirteen months, Lou and Linda Pelletier’s youngest daughter, Justina Pelletier, has been held in Boston Children’s Hospital psychiatric unit. In deteriorating health, and confined to a wheelchair, the 15-year-old learned this week that there will be no pardon from the Massachusetts psychiatric unit.[1] Because a child’s well-being hangs in the balance, Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR) calls on the Massachusetts State Attorney General to investigate Boston Children’s Hospital Psychiatric Unit, “Bader 5,” and specifically require the treating psychiatrists to provide medical/scientific proof of the alleged diagnosis, Somatoform.
    CCHR also supports legislative action instigated by Massachusetts State Representative Marc Lombardo to start the process of releasing Justina Pelletier to her parents [2] but said this should be expanded to investigate the influence of psychiatrists’ opinions resulting in state removal of children from their families.
    After months of fighting for the teenager’s freedom, the Pelletiers were dismissed by the Juvenile Court and denied custody of their ailing daughter. Juvenile Court Judge, Joseph Johnson’s reason for denying the Pelletiers’ right to decide their daughter’s medical treatment was his belief that the Pelletier’s will not comply with the state’s directives. The Judge further wrote in his decision that he believed Justina suffered from “a persistent and severe Somatic Symptom Disorder,” the very psychiatric diagnosis the Pelletiers have been fighting since first admitting Justina to Boston Children’s Hospital.[3]
    In issues relating to the medical validity of mental disorders such as Somatoform, it is worth noting that that the former Task Force Chairman of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), psychiatrist Allen Frances, stated in a June 2, 2010 Psychology Today article, “Psychiatric Fads and Overdiagnosis,” that, “There are no objective tests in psychiatry—no X-ray, laboratory, or exam finding that says definitively that someone does or does not have a mental disorder.”
    CCHR states that, as psychiatrist Allen Frances admits, there is no medical test for any mental disorder, and therefore the diagnosis of Somataform is only one of “belief” and not of medical fact.
    The forced psychiatric incarceration of Justina, against the family’s wishes, centers on the growing divide between medical diagnosis with confirmatory lab tests, and psychiatric diagnosis which is based on diagnosing behaviors, and for which there are no confirmatory lab tests. Even the American Psychiatric Association in its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders admits that, “…no definition adequately specifies precise boundaries for the concept of ‘mental disorder.’”[4]
    Some of the facts in the Pelletier case include:
    In 2011, Justina had been diagnosed by, and receiving treatment from, Dr. Mark Korson, a physician at Tufts Medical Center, for Mitochondrial Disease, a genetic medical condition. Less than 24 hours after having been admitted to Boston Children’s Hospital for flu-like symptoms in February 2013, Justina’s medical diagnosis was changed to the psychiatric disorder Somatoform.[5]
    Upon learning of the psychiatric diagnosis, the Pelletiers attempted to discharge Justina from the hospital. In response, the Hospital filed an allegation of medical child abuse against them.[6]
    In February 2013, “guidelines” were drafted by Boston Children’s Hospital in regard to Justina’s case which set strict limitations on medical discussions with the family and eliminated interaction with providers outside the hospital.[7]
    The social worker with the Department of Children & Families in an affidavit given to the Juvenile Court accused the Pelletiers of “obstructing her care.” It also failed to include that the social worker had spoken directly to Dr. Korson, who had explained Justina’s mitochondrial diagnosis in great detail.[8]
    In October 2013, reporter Beau Berman of Fox CT started an investigation into the Pelletiers’ story and did an exclusive interview with Justina’s father. But on Nov. 7, 2013, the Juvenile Court Judge issued a gag order on the Pelletiers.[9]
    After a year of psychiatric care, Justina’s older sister, Jennifer, who has also been diagnosed by Tufts with mitochondrial disease, reports that Justina’s condition is “scary” and she had never seen Justina in worse condition.[10]
    On March 25, 2014, the Juvenile Court judge ruled in favor of Boston Children’s Hospital and Justina became a ward of the state, severely restricting the Pelletiers’ access to their daughter.[11]
    CCHR states that, “Clearly, in the hands of the Massachusetts Dept. of Children & Families and Boston Children’s Hospital’s psychiatric unit, the teenager’s condition is deteriorating, and it is her treating psychiatrists that are putting Justina at ‘imminent risk of serious harm.’ And while ‘reckless endangerment’ charges are usually directed at parents neglecting or putting their child at risk, Massachusetts legislators should be looking at revising the law to ensure State ‘guardianship’ of a child and psychiatrists treating under that guardianship are not immune to such charges, where the child is put at ‘substantial risk of serious bodily injury’ or ‘impairment of a function of a body member, limb or organ.’ Surely, when a child’s life is at stake, even the governing bodies overseeing those institutions that claim to represent the best interests of children, would demand proof of the medical diagnosis.”
    Read full article here.
    About Citizens Commission on Human Rights: CCHR is a non-profit, non-political, non-religious mental health watchdog. Its mission is to eradicate abuses committed under the guise of mental health and enact patient and consumer protections. CCHR has helped to enact more than 150 laws protecting individuals from abusive or coercive mental health

  • Anonymous

    I got as far as CCHR before I realized that this lazy cut-n-paste was not worth reading. You and Tom Cruise and the rest of those scientology wackjobs can take their “psychiatrists caused 9/11″ nonsense and find someone else to entertain.

  • Anonymous

    HAHA…what a bunch of Bee Ess. Both of those uninformed stooges realized months ago that they were in over their head to actually address the custody issue, and all they have left now is to investigate how much money was spent.

    And you think that actually means something.

    Just who is feeding you your news?

  • Holly Leeming

    The cut and paste was for your benefit, seems your to lazy to open up a link. Here is one thing I do know if Justina is left with DHS we will in the future be hearing a news report that she has passed away. This will be due to the ignorance and arrogance of the Judge, DHS and the likes of people like you. You grasp at straws to make yourselves look credible when in fact you are blinded by stupidity. Their is no actual evidence that Justina has Somatoform, just a bunch of Idiots and psychologists looking to benefit from her illness. So as far as replying to anymore of your comments I no longer care what you say, but when I hear Justina has passed I will be back on here to give you credit for helping to be responsible for her death.

  • Anonymous

    Lazy? HAHA…says the person who hasn’t lifted a finger to do more than consume what the MSM feeds her.

    It’s why you post whackadoodle nonsense from scientologists. It’s why you don’t know a single thing about Justina’s health condition, but you think they are going to kill her. It’s why you know nothing about the evaluations she has had, but think you know what her diagnosis is NOT.

    Must be cozy in that dumb little box you live in.

  • http://suzeraining.wordpress.com/ suz

    you just can’t get off the mengele accusation i made.

    TELLS ME IT’S PROBABLY MENGELE-LIKE TESTiNG GOING ON OVER THERE!

  • Bennett Cláytor

    FOUR HUNDRED TWENTY FIVE MISSED DAYS IN THE LIFE OF A CHILD #FREEJUSTINA ASAP #FreeJustinaNOW This 2 minute video will break your HEART as you see how the joy has been removed from this 15 year old’s life for 425 days and counting! –> http://ow.ly/vrigs

  • Hannah Bernard

    There is obviously no reasoning with an arrogant fool, like yourself. By the way I am member of MENSA my IQ is much, much, higher than yours. By referring to me as your “Special ed friend”, just shows how rude and ridiculous you are. It also shows that when someone points out that you are wrong you resort to childish name calling. Let me ask I you something. Where is your evidence? Why is your arrogant self so sure that her hair isn’t falling out, that she isn’t dying, that she isn’t confined to wheelchair? Please tell me I am dying to know. Also, you stated that before Justina entered BCH, she couldn’t walk, she couldn’t swallow, and her speech was slurred according to her parents. I don’t know where you got information, however when Justina entered BCH she was very sick. She has Mitochondrial disease. People with Mito, when they get sick whether it be a cold or flu, get sicker than people who don’t have Mitochondrial disease. Before she had the flu SHE WAS ICE SKATING IN COMPETIONS. Also, how come you believe Justina’s parents when you talk about her condition coming into BCH but everything else they say you think of is a lie? You seem to flip-flop so much it’s ridiculous. If you did the research you would know the Pelletiers never owned or used, for that matter a wheelchair for Justina. You would also know Justina has documented leg edema and red marks on here stomach. Those marks, are most likely because of sepsis I could be wrong though. I do know she has a port to flush out her colon that is medically necessary and it hasn’t been flushed since she was taken away from her parents. As for her hair falling out there are multiple pictures of her with her hair falling out. There are always multiple guards around when the Pelletiers visit their daughter so it’s not like they brush her hair in a certain way to make her appear bald.

  • Anonymous

    HAHAHA…Mensa…right. And yet you write like a second grader. Your first response to me ever in this discussion was an insult and namecalling, so if you are such a weak-skinned lamebrain that you can’t handle it, then don’t bring it. Understand, hypocrite? You were the first to bring the ignorance, so don’t be surprised when it comes back. Someone who had an IQ above 50 would understand that, but obviously you are so re.tar.ded that you should be wearing a helmet and a bite block.

    The burden is not on me to prove that her hair is not falling out, or that she is not confined to a wheelchair, or that she is not dying. The burden of proof for those claims falls on those who make those claims, and someone who really was not a special-ed-kind of moron would understand that.

    I don’t believe a thing the parents say anymore, and obviously you were too stupid to understand that I was pointing out the constant contradictions.

    Where is the “documented” edema and “red marks” on her stomach? You’ve seen her medical records? You don’t know that her c-button is necessary; you aren’t a physician. In fact, I’d be surprised if you have the ability to hold down a job that doesn’t require you to push buttons with pictures next to them and ask if they want a medium or large. You don’t know if her c-button has been flushed, you just consume whatever nonsense the parents tell you…a couple of deadbeats who haven’t paid their bills in YEARS.

    You are such a Koolaid drinker; I officially diagnose you with cerebral diabetes from ingesting so much garbage.

  • Hannah Bernard

    Hi I keep trying to reply StreyDawg comment but whenever I try it says disqus Uh oh… Something didn’t work.This page doesn’t seem to exist. You might have followed a bad link or mistyped the address, feel free to try again. Alternatively, you can return to the home page, or visit the help page for more options. And whatever I try to click on I am unable to reply because it won’t take me to the reply page Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

  • Anonymous

    Someone who was part of “Mensa” would be able to figure it out.

    HAHAHAHA. You idiot.

  • Anonymous

    So have you consulted your MENSA card to figure out how to reply here yet? Or are you still stuck in ret.ardsbur?

  • Laura

    sounds like smokhill & streydawg both work for dcf