‘It’s an agenda of reeducation’: Glenn reacts to discrimination ruling in Colorado

It was nearly two years ago that TheBlaze first covered the story of Masterpiece Cakeshop in Lakewood, Colorado after its owner, Jack Phillips, refused to make a cake for a same-sex couple citing religious beliefs. In December 2013, Judge Robert N. Spencer ruled Phillips must “cease and desist from discriminating” against same-sex couples – despite his religious beliefs – or pay fines.

As though that ruling was not sufficient enough, last week, Colorado State’s seven-member Civil Rights Commission reinforced the December ruling – deeming Phillip’s refusal to serve an act of discrimination and ordering the owner to halt the practice.

The Denver Post reports:

In its decision, the panel required Phillips to submit quarterly reports for two years that show how he has worked to change discriminatory practices by altering company policies and training employees. Phillips also must disclose the names of any clients who are turned away.

On radio this morning, Glenn reacted not only to the blatant disregard of the First Amendment but the eerie implications of forcing workers to undergo reeducation camp-style training to better understand Colorado discrimination laws.

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“You are now having to go into a reeducation camp to be able to keep your doors open,” Glenn said. “It’s insane, and it is un-American.”

As Stu pointed out, this case does not involve a cut and dry refusal of service. Instead, Phillips refused to make a wedding cake from scratch for the wedding of Charlie Craig and David Mullins.

“I think there’s a huge distinction between, if someone comes in and you give them a test every time of like, ‘Are you gay or not? Because if you are gay, then… you can not buy cupcakes out of my shop,’” Stu explained. “When you’re asking for specifics – like a specific thing designed for a specific event – you’re asking for them to create, out of whole cloth, something that they don’t normally provided. It’s a product they don’t provide.”

A logical question in this incident might be: Why would Craig and Mullins – or anyone for the matter – want to purchase something from someone who so adamantly disagrees with their lifestyle?

“Whatever happened the little sign… ‘We have a right to refuse service’? You don’t anymore. You used to have the right to refuse service, and then, beyond that, I have a First Amendment right,” Glenn said. “[But] forget about the rights, who the hell wants their wedding cake made by a guy who so vehemently disagrees with you? Why would you want that? It’s your wedding.”

But the couple doesn’t see it that way.

“When it came time to file the lawsuit we realized that this wasn’t just about us and they weren’t just supporting us as individuals,” Mullins told the Denver Post. “They were supporting the idea that gays shouldn’t be discriminated against in public accommodations. We felt like the best way we could honor what they had done for us was to follow this through. It hasn’t always been the easy road, but I believe we’ve been on the right one.”

Ultimately, Glenn, Pat, and Stu agree this decision is evidence that this case was never really about the cake – it was about setting a precedent.

“It’s an agenda,” Glenn concluded. “And it’s an agenda of reeducation.”

  • Anonymous

    Homosexuals won’t stop when we who disagree, tolerate their deviant lifestyle. What they increasingly demand is approval. Two distinct positions that are often and intentionally obscured.

  • Xiv

    Ok jwilco, since you are clearly a very ignorant person, I’ll provide you some insight. Homosexuals won’t stop until they feel not scared to be homosexuals. You also say “tolerate their deviant lifestyle” as if everyone CHOOSES to be homosexual. It isn’t a choice, it just kind of happens. And homosexuals don’t demand approval, they demand acceptance, just as women did, and minority “races” did in the past.

    Now as a response to you Glenn, there is a reason we don’t do denial of service anymore. As you probably know, the USA is one of the few countries that is so incredibly time-oriented. Time means everything in the United States, and it is really obnoxious for people to go into a restaurant and be denied of service after looking for a place, STRICTLY because of your color, sexuality, sexual orientation (no not sexual preference…orientation). Also, we are all human beings, why do we have to bash each other and dehumanize each other because of something that we don’t choose? I realize that the people that interpret the Christian religion don’t understand what they are actually reading and believe that it is so wrong that homosexuals walk the path that they didn’t choose, but why can’t people just accept that everyone has different beliefs/choices? Also remember why America even became what it was Glenn, freedom, so why should anyone have anymore freedom than another if they are both decent human beings?

  • Anonymous

    Gays DO get a bit tiresome when it comes to their lifestyles but at the same time the couple wanted a cake from that bakery. Maybe it’s a good bakery and they always got good service and great food from there. However, it’s a shame the shop owner doesn’t want to make the cake. He might disagree with the lifestyle but he’s not only discriminating against that he’s also discriminating against their money. Which I assume is green and non-sexual just the same as anyone else’s . The owner has the right to refuse service but that refusal is usually for how someone is dressed not what someone’s lifestyle choice is. Didn’t the owner know what he might be in for when he started his shop? He’s not much of a businessman if he didn’t.

  • Anonymous

    As a Christian I don’t accept or “approve” my own sin, why should I accept yours [theirs]?. Tolerance and even love is something commanded that I’m to practice without approval or condoning of sinful actions or attitudes. You actually make my point with your reply demanding acceptance. My lack of respect in this regard is what infuriates you and causes you to slander me.
    I will agree to a point, that homosexuality isn’t part of a persons overall plan from the beginning but happens in time as a chastisement from God meant to shame the recipient to bring about repentance for the greater sin of unbelief, ingratitude and idolatry. All sin and all sinners share this thing in common.
    No one said, nor did I imply, that homosexuals cannot also be otherwise “decent’ people relatively speaking, however, a pat on the back celebrating diversity is another matter entirely. Why do you want it anyway? Why not wait for judgment and see who’s right?

  • Anonymous

    Your scenario might be plausible but for some, money isn’t everything. If I was asked to design a T-shirt in my shop that explicitly targets gays, Jews, or any other group negatively, I would refuse to take that order, no matter how big or how lucrative. I don’t know what these folks wanted on their cake, but if it made the bakery owner feel like he was betraying his own conscience, then he should be able to say no without having to submit to some stupid classes.

  • veritasliberabit

    Really – it’s such a SCARY time to be a homosexual. Maybe one day, gays will be CELEBRATED, rather than just tolerated; maybe one day, gay celebrities who “out” their sexual proclivities will be lionized instead of ridiculed, and people of traditional values will be ridiculed and demonized; maybe one day, those who refuse to CELEBRATE (not just accept or tolerate) the gay lifestyle will be criminalized and punished; maybe one day, those who refuse to CELEBRATE (not just accept or tolerate) the gay lifestyle will lose their jobs, be pilloried and shamed; maybe one day “gay rights” will trump all other first amendment rights; maybe one day gays will be PROPORTIONATELY represented and positively portrayed on TV and in the media, and those with value systems not compatible with the gay agenda will be portrayed as narrow, bigoted, and nasty, and the subject of campaigns of punishment and boycotting; maybe one day, homosexuals will surpass “equal rights” and obtain “special rights” and protected status….oh, wait….I think…..! Won’t someone please inform the poor, scared homosexuals that not only are they out of the closet but people of traditional values are firmly locked in it, just as the Gaystapo intended? And congratulations? Happy day.

  • wsbowles

    I don’t understand why gays want to participate in a heterosexual act. If, as gays claim, they had no choice to be gay, why participate in a non-gay activity. Why force the heterosexual majority to change the meaning of marriage? For your own selfish purposes you want to change the meaning of a strictly hetero act into something that is absurd. Like calling a salt shaker a “book” and making every library stock them. It’s lunacy and your forcing us all to live it.

  • Doug

    I am outraged and will NOT tolerate this kind of bullying. I
    just called 800-262-4845 (phone number for the Colorado Civil Rights Division)
    and told them that this kind of discrimination and religious persecution MUST
    STOP NOW!!!! I was hung up on and called
    back and left a message. Flood these Brownshirts will phone calls expressing
    outrage and tell them to STOP!! The Constitutionally
    protected religious liberties and speech rights of Masterpiece Cakeshop are being stolen. This is non-negotiable
    and must stop NOW!

  • Susan

    It is Marxism—to destroy Reason and Traditions in the children.

    For them, to create a NWO, “happy slaves”, Common Core creates a programming where children will no longer understand profound thinking of Lockean philosophy or Christian Ethics—concepts which created the idea of “Individual Natural Rights from God”.

    They have to destroy Natural Law Theory—to do it…..which is just Common Sense and “Reason”—that ideology which created the greatest thinking in the history of man (The Age of Reason/Science)—and the most freedom.

    To get slaves—they have to make children so irrational that they will believe the State when they say “Up is Down”, “Slavery is Freedom”, and “Vice is Virtue”. They are literally changing Vice into Virtue now and parents are allowing their children to be programmed with this irrational concept which destroys the foundational understanding of the Nature of Man and Truth.

    Bertrand Russell stated it best in 1950s (and public school curricula is designed to destroy Virtue intentionally in children) since John Dewey (socialist):

    “Education should aim at destroying free will so that after pupils are thus schooled they will be incapable throughout the rest of their lives of thinking or acting otherwise than as their school masters would have wished … The social psychologist of the future will have a number of classes of school children on whom they will try different methods of producing an unshakable conviction that snow is black. When the technique has been perfected, every government that has been in charge of education for more than one generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen.” —–Bertrand Russell quoting Johann Gottlieb Fichte, the head of philosophy & psychology who influenced Hegel and others – Prussian University in Berlin, 1810

  • Susan

    Thoughts of an influential Harvard elite homosexual who couldn’t wait to make his “Love that dare not be spoken” in the early 1900s (as he was castrating little boys at his homosexual orgy parties) “normal” and accepted by all: http://www.keynesatharvard.org/book/Sugar_Keynes.html

  • USAonlydotUS

    ENCOURAGE the owner , Jack Phillips, that you are behind him (bad choice of words) but you know what I mean. masterpiececakeshop@msn.com

  • Max Black

    Ok so what would happen if a KKK member went into a black owned bakery and wanted a cake with a white hoodie and burning cross? Would they have to do that? I’m with glenn in terms of be able to refuse service. The free market and society would deal with it.

  • Susan

    It is the individual protected Natural Right of all people to follow their conscience when it is NOT in violation of Natural Law or God’s Laws (U.S. “Rule of Law” which is based on Higher Laws (God’s) than man-made law). This “making” a cake is violating God’s Law—Christianity (and Natural Law) demands people not to celebrate deviancy, vice or immoral dehumanizing behavior.

    Morality is the basis of our Justice System (Justice is the Queen of Virtue). Just Laws can NEVER promote the Vice of sodomy—and sodomy is always a vice, because it is a vile, degrading, unnatural use of the human body which is nihilism.

    To force (coerce) a person to celebrate that type of chosen “lifestyle”—which uses a person’s time and talents is unconstitutional and Fascism.

    It is also Fascism to force “reeducation” camp on this person to force him to celebrate Vice—flipping his Ethical system and that which is the fundamental philosophy of the US Constitution–the Supreme Law of the Land based on Natural Law Theory and Christian Ethics.

    Our Constitution is based on Natural Rights which NEVER includes sodomizing others—which still should be a felony, like it was for a century and more, because it uses others in dehumanizing evil unnatural ways….as a “Means to an End” which is Marxism—-and unconstitutional.

    It also is a “lifestyle” which reduces women to breeders, is sexist, and forces children in unnatural artificial “lifestyles” which deprive them of their natural rights to a biological mother and father. It is pure evil to set up a system to make babies into objects to be bought and sold….same as slavery or prostitution—which uses humans/babies as “Means”.

  • Max Black

    RE” Homosexuals won’t stop until they feel not scared to be homosexuals.” Please, we are ALREADY past that point.. they are several state which allow this abomination.. You are living in a fantasy persecution world..

    Homosexual don’t want equality they want superiority. Proof: They now believe that they have permanent proprietary exclusivity on determining the definition of the word gay. How is that equal?

    You have no clue on what you are talking about

  • USAonlydotUS

    EXACTLY. why didn’t the other bakeries take the “business” opportunity and put up banners or promos that say. “we cater Gay affairs”

  • USAonlydotUS

    take off your clothes, look in the mirror, see which parts you have. That will determine your sex. That’s who you are. To say “it just happens”, is such a cop-out for having no answer. It’s a choice, and the only way you get involved in that life style is to be recruited. We can only imagine the train-wreck of humans after this first round of kids with 2-mommies or 2-daddies.

  • Elena

    I want to go to a halal deli in NYC and demand a ham sandwich and scream discrimination if I don’t get one. Can I have other takers to go with me? I smell free Obama money in the form of a law suit! Yum, yum, let’s wreck somebody else’s day **sarcasm off**

  • Debbie Broker Harvey

    I read that the shop has stopped making wedding cakes all together, to get around who they have to make them for. I feel bad for them, as I’m sure that was a nice portion of their income. But since when does the American government – Federal OR state – insist on “re-education” of people who have different views?!! Sounds like the re-education camps of the Nazis to me!! This is wrong on so many levels – and hopefully someone realizes that soon, and fixes it!!

  • Elena

    The “wedding” was out of state.

  • Elena

    Here’s a hint — as a human you have free will. Orientation is not the problem; conduct is. You can’t live without food. Sex is not food, so stop confusing the two.

  • Carol

    “They were supporting the idea that gays shouldn’t be discriminated against in public accommodations. ”
    This wasn’t a public accommodation…it was a private company.Glen is exactly correct…this couple only wants to make trouble, set an agenda. I have often wondered…what would the courts do if I went to a store owned by a Muslim and wanted to buy bacon or some sort of pork and they refuse. Would I be able to file a lawsuit against them? Better yet…why doesn’t this couple go to a bakery owned by a Muslim and ask them to bake them a cake….see if they refuse …then see if they will sue the Muslim bake shop. It’s unlikely.

  • Carol

    You Xiv….surely are very intelligent to be able to determine someone’s ignorance based on a single comment. The debate begins with whether or not someone chooses to be ‘gay’ or not. There can be no discussion with any good outcome when this is the foundational disagreement. I wouldn’t be able to convince you or anyone of my stance or even get you to respect my stance until we have a basis to agree on. I would suggest from now on you stop insulting people and just present your side. The second I read your first sentence I dismissed anything else you had to say.

  • Carol

    Great point!

  • Charlotte Lloyd

    Remember back in the 60s and 70s when the homosexuals said all they wanted was to be left alone to live their lives as they wanted? they have never been happy with just that – they want homosexuality to become the ruling ‘party’ in this country.

  • Anonymous

    This would be the perfect opportunity for other bakeries to do just that(we cater to everyone). Wonder if anyone will decide to do it

  • Anonymous

    The love that dare not speak its name now has no earthly idea of when to shut the f*** up.

  • Vienta76

    XVI – STFU, the only ignorance is coming from you, to even attempt to justify this unlawful ruling by a civil rights committee against a PRIVATELY OWNED BUSINESS is insane…also, your little explanation should have began with “I”…”I am time oriented” “ME ME ME” how dare you take your schedule being “too busy” to tolerate a lawful refusal of service, and lump the rest of us into it. So because YOU #16 are too busy to put up with that it should be illegal? WOW…and your “why can’t people just accept that everyone has different beliefs/choices” statement, is beyond hypocritical….this little incident is nothing short of a temper tantrum equivalent to a child being denied a piece of candy by their parents. All that matter are YOUR rights right? Because you’re right, right? And then to go into why America became what it “was” because of freedom, as if you have even the slightest clue as to why America became great…it ain’t great anymore, because FREEDOM you are commending is being stripped, so let’s talk again about ignorance….OH and another example of your ignorance is the statement that “homosexuality is not a choice, it just sort of happens” again, you can be that dumb, but don’t lump the rest of us in with you…YOU need a reeducation I think

  • Anonymous

    Sheesh, if that is the case the couple didn’t have to buy from Masterpiece. All they would have to do is ask for a recommendation for another shop. Or something. Otherwise if the whole catering thing plus the cake would be moved to a state where gay marriage is legal it would cost more to move everything than it would to just get things right from where the wedding would be held. Regular hetero couples who get married somewhere other than their home state do that.

  • Anonymous

    Make the cake, just make it a disaster. Or trip as you bring it in. There are ways around this forced acceptance.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, to be correct their promos should read, “We cater to sodomites.”

  • Anonymous

    Sodomites have never been afraid. They have always pushed themselves on everyone. Sodomites are known to be flamboyant so how can you miss them? You say you don’t choose who you are, but you certainly can choose who bakes your cakes for your faux weddings. Funny, sodomites search out the Christian bakers to further your agenda. I would not bake a cake for any sodomites for any faux wedding. I bake cakes. Come and find me.

  • Anonymous

    What does it matter to you if that couple has sex or not and what they do ? True, some kinds of sex are grosser than others and we really don’t need the visual that comes with seeing the words written out but you aren’t involved. So why make it about you? What they are gonna do is up to them. Which is perfectly natural in their world. DO please don’t think about it, you’ll just be upset and you have too much else to live for.

  • Anonymous

    These people need a good pro-bono lawyer. Sounds like discrimination of Christians to me.

  • joy

    These queers need to look at any major religious book.they all say homosexuallity is an obomanation, sorry for them, they just aren’t right, if they don’t believe in religion, then the fact thart the majority of mankind thinks they are sick, there might be a reason for that view.

  • Vienta76

    Thank you for using the proper term for homosexual men. It’s actually refreshing since they have redefined the word gay, as it sounds more socially acceptable than sodomite, but gay = happy in my vocabulary, and it always will….

  • Anonymous

    That is a funny, but good analogy. I, too, wonder why the meaning of the word marriage has to be changed for such a small segment of the world’s population.

  • Anonymous

    This is not discrimination against gays at all. This is someone who won’t support same-sex marriage’s due to religious views. Same-sex marriage is still illegal in Colorado.

  • Anonymous

    Sodomites are known to be cowards. They are using the state to fight their battles. It will backfire on them one day. They will stand before God and find out that they are an abomination.

  • Bob Warren

    The shop is on Wadsworth just north of 285 near the hobby shop (3355 S Wadsworth Blvd. (303) 763-5754). Patronize them. Order as much as possible so there is a waiting list. Most weddings plan a long way out anyway. Support them with your dollars and as businessmen, THEY WIN (at least partly).

  • Laure Simpson

    This is no different than someone walking into a Jewish butcher shop and demanding a non- Kosher cut of meat……..absolutely no difference.

  • Anonymous

    If he disagrees with sodomite marriage, why do you think he should aid and abet it?

  • Jvic Gallagher

    my opinion: the bakery should have made the cake and at evey interaction wth the couple preached the good news to them and Through every step of making the cake had members of their church and themslves pray over the flour, sugar, yeast, iceing, pots, pans, utensils, ovens. and mega-bless the cake. how many unbelivers would have eaten that blessed cake???

    missed opertunity!!!

    these folks are functioning in the absence of light and if we dont brng our light into there darkness who will.??

    the moravians sold themselfs into slavery to preach the good news to groups of peoples where they had no access.

    “a man that wins souls is wise”

    if God used Peters shadow to heal the sick, He can use a BLESSED cake to bring people into the light

  • Anonymous

    That’s true if the bake shop had the cake on display. I don’t now anything about custom ordered cakes but I assume those are somewhere other than in the display cases. From the fuss the people wanting the cake from that shop seem to be making it sounds like there wasn’t any effort on the part of the owner to recommend somewhere closer to where the wedding would be held. He didn’t have to make a big stink about gay people and the Bible. This way not only will the couple not get their cake but neither one of them would go back for any reason for any other baked goods. Nor would any of their friends who are gay. A belief system is all well and good but a brick and mortar shop caters to everyone who wants to go there. It would be hospitality if the owner honored the couple’s request or told them about somewhere that could.

  • Anonymous

    Except that Jewish delis don’t do non-kosher. They would be just ordinary delis if they did.

  • Anonymous

    It’s not sodomized marriage it’s marriage. The couple just happens to be the same gender. Do you think about someone’s sexual preference when you are around couples or pass them by on the street or something? Okay then, neither should he.

  • Laure Simpson

    fawnday~ EXACTLY…..Jews don’t do non-Kosher and this baker doesn’t do non-Christian wedding cakes…..*palm smack*

  • Laure Simpson

    For this baker making a wedding cake from scratch for a gay couple is NO DIFFERENT than asking a Jew to go out and shoot a cow in the head and then plop a bloody non-kosher steak down onto the counter for me.

  • Anonymous

    Sodomite is a noun.

  • JPG Sheedy

    Cheers buddy, you just have to accept that a lot of this comes from hate. They hate me and everyone like me just because of something that is frankly none of their damn business. Frankly their opinions on anything don’t matter to me, if they did I’d have jacknifed off a bridge by now.

    I happen to think this was a silly use of government force. Sure it was stupid for a bakery not to bake a cake but they have the right to be stupid if they so choose. This has just ended up blowing up and costing way too much money and probably done more harm than good.

    We just have to accept there will be people that despise us. We will come across it every day of our lives, I certainly do, and if we spend too much time fighting it we’d never get anything worthwhile done!

    They can quote chapter and verse at you all they like but the truth is they’re just bigots, hiding behind a book because they’re too scared to actually justify anything with their own minds. They use terms from the 60′s like “recruitment” despite the fact the first gay guy that I met was me so that’s that theory out of the window. We could talk to them about evidence of hormone exposure in the womb, genetic propensities towards behaviour and entire psychological studies endorsed as far back as Freud but they wouldn’t listen. They don’t do evidence, they don’t do reason, they just do bile.

    But hey they can do what they like because these morons are starting to lose and lose badly! The world is changing and their tiny little minds cannot take it so they explode into hateful rants using whatever language they know will hurt the most. I have a best friend who’s a salvationist and many many other Christian friends who are turning against this tide and starting to undo the horrors the churches have committed against us in generations past. If they’re even losing their foothold in church… well basically they’re screwed.

    So thanks for the defence, it’s appreciated in this somewhat large sea of abuse but don’t expect intellectual discussion from sheep, you’ll never get it.

  • Anonymous

    My point is that when you have your own shop that sells whatever, you have the right to not sell something to anyone you choose. If you lose business over it, that’s your choice. Actions have consequences. Just because anyone can walk into a store, doesn’t mean the owner has to treat that person as a customer. Another example (which I’m sure you won’t understand, either): if a potential customer is upset for whatever reason and uses foul language to the sales clerk, the store owner or manager can kick that person out and ask him to never come in again. Your store, your rules. You don’t have to even have a reason.

  • Steve

    ignorance…why is the Homosexuals right to force a business to serve them greater than a Christians right to refuse service that goes against their business model and beliefs? Should I demand Victorias Secret sell mens undies now?

  • Anonymous

    It is only discrimination for people who disagree with the liberal stupidity.

  • Resonantg

    Freedom of association is dead. Now you have the freedom to obey the secularists or be destroyed.

  • Jill Brooks

    So Elena, are you willing to give up sex for the rest of your life? I suppose you might be willing to, but I wouldn’t want to and I would not expect someone who is gay to have to do that either. I don’t want to hear about what gay people do, but I don’t particularly want to hear about what heterosexuals do either. As long as it is all kept in the privacy of one’s own bedroom I don’t much care what anyone does, unless it is an adult taking advantage of a child.

  • Anonymous

    And, not only did he stop making wedding cakes, but he never refused to serve gays or anyone else any other item in his bakery, he just didn’t want to participate in making a cake for a wedding that he wasn’t agreeable to. I feel sorry for Colorado, a once beautiful and wonderful state to live in. But no more.

  • Anonymous

    My husband and I have a sign shop and when an Adult Bookstore came into town and came to us to see about a sign for their store front we said we were sorry but because of our strong Christian faith we could not support his business in that way. He left, went elsewhere and has a sign up. Why couldn’t this couple just said “thank you” and went elsewhere??

  • jason

    I wonder if a homosexual sign maker could be forced to make protest signs for the Westboro Baptist Church under the guise of not “discriminating”….?

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, your store your rules but there are cases when the clerks and the owner have to have a reason. They can’t just refuse to serve a person until they get tired of seeing them in the shop an/or get mad if that person doesn’tt go through the detector thing they just finished turning on because they assume you’re a shoplifter. This case is no different, the baker made assumptions about how godly the couple are just because he likes traditional marriage. Yeah, same gender people being together lol strange but he needs to get over that. It’s the way the world works, more groups of people have rights now.

  • Sargonarhes

    This door can swing both ways. Say I own a shop of some kind and a Catholic Church wants me to redo one of their crosses? I’m not Catholic and even view the cross as not even really a Christian symbol and refuse to do the work. So now I can be sued over this? Surely there are other business’ willing to take the job from me?

    The point being if a business wants to turn a job like that away and there have to be others that would readily take it up. It make no sense to insist on forcing the one business to do it anyways. That is just the behavior you’d expect of a spoiled child, a brat.

  • Anonymous

    Or refusing to serve black people because they come into the white part of Woolworths lunch counter. Betcha if this was another time and another place the people who are against gay marriage would be for Jim Crow laws.

  • Jim

    You all know that m&m’s (Mars) just refused to print a special order m$m because the word knife was on it…. maybe someone should take them to court. They have the attorneys and money to beat it and that would set a precident.

  • Tim Pope

    Most of what needs to be said has been posted already in one way or another except why this lawsuit and others like it occur.
    The radicals who believe in global overpopulation are pushing the homosexual lifestyle because they want a good third( if not more ) of the population gone. All the brew-ha-ha about the population bomb years ago is still being followed. The powers that be want fewer ( breeders ( their term )) offspring therefor how better than to push a lifestyle that makes children harder to produce. And in my opinion you can add the non-reaction (when compared to other STDs ) to a proven killer like AIDS as evidence of their agenda. The elites want you dead or dieing and certainly not reproducing.

  • Susan

    It matters to me because I understand Lockean philosophy–that which formed the USA and Classical philosophy which states that “Free Republics can not exist without Virtue”.

    It is essential for “Justice” Systems to promote “Public Virtue” always. Justice is a Virtue. (“When laws cease to be Just, they cease to be Law).

    It is just the Slippery Slope theory—which you obviously don’t understand. All Justice Systems have to be applied equally to everyone…..you can’t promote Vice and Lies to little children and expect Reason and Logic when they grow up. And without Common Sense and Reason—we could NEVER have a Civil–Just, Free Society.

    Two men sodomizing each other is NOT the same as a male/female relationships ever. As baby rape or bestiality–all behavior is learned. It is NOT natural. Like all behaviors (boys harems in Afghanistan) it is a Learned behavior.

    It should never be promoted by either Laws or in schools (Pride days). It is evil to promote Vice to children (my children, or anyones. It is against every “Justice” System—and it violates MY religious beliefs which I have a right to instill in my children–Christianity, which created the Age of Reason and Modern Science and the US Constitution.

    I do not want a Satanic or pagan religion imposed on my children, where pederasty was always the norm, and boys were the sexual recreation as it was with the homosexual “priests” as well as child-sacrifice (abortion).

    Promoting Truth is the purpose of all Laws….never Lies like sodomy is a “Natural Right”—which it isn’t. There is a reason it was a felony for centuries—it always is about the boys.

  • Rick

    For some of you folks stay on point….regardless if you are gay or straight, black or white or any other description….the fact that you are mandated to change your lawful business practices and report in so you are re-educated is beyond comprehension in this country. Our freedoms are crumbling folks…quit fighting over gay or straight and fight so you it is ok to have your own opinion……..

  • Bob

    Nice try, but no cigar.
    This abomination by this stupid gay duo was nothing more than a calculated political stunt. The only truly bad part of the whole thing is that the judges listening to the arguments have come to the wrong conclusion. There is no basis in freedom or in law for a judge to require ANYONE to provide a service to someone they don’t wish to…REGARDLESS of reason.
    If I was the baker, I would not have made a wedding cake because to do so would be an abomination to the institution of marriage. And two men making a commitment to each other, whether you like it or not, does not constitute a marriage. And, since the definition of marriage comes straight from the Bible, then this particular argument is strictly a first amendment case. And since the government is forbidden to respect an establishment of religion…or the FREE EXERCISE THEREOF, then this should have been a very quick case to decide: plaintiffs lose. Further, if I was the baker, I would not quit selling wedding cakes to legitimate customers, nor would I pay any fines levied by the government, simply because they are acting beyond the scope of their authority.
    The gay couple in question should not want a cake from someone who doesn’t want their business anyway. If I was forced to bake a cake for them…you can damn well bet that it would be the sorriest cake I have ever made. I am divided on whether I would charge them nothing…or five times my usual charge. Either way, there would be no guarantee on the cake.
    This is exactly what is wrong with America today. Too much government intrusion and too much demand for “tolerance” among the least tolerant people among us.

  • Bob

    Not a good analogy. Race and sexual preference are NOT the same thing.

  • Laure Simpson

    fawnday, I wish I could draw you a picture as you seem to not grasp (or want to grasp?) the religious correlation I am trying to explain to you. Religious freedoms in this of all countries should be respected, whether they be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or other. Gay rights should be respected also, but is it right to trample other people’s rights just to prove a point?? This isn’t about being allowed to sit in the front of the bus, or as you say, go into Woolworths. My dad was a redneck horse-shoer who didn’t stand down in the 1960′s when the Elks Lodge wanted to bar one of his country western band members from playing because he was black. They played the venue because my dad rolled up his sleeves. My mom’s best friends were a gay couple (men) with 5 kids between them. Our only neighbors were two gay school teachers who lived together. This in the 1960′s in a small community of only 900 people. We ALL co-existed because we respected each other. No one bullied anyone just to make a point.

  • Bob

    mcgonagall is right. The store owner doesn’t have to have ANY reason to refuse service. There is no law that requires a business owner to serve everyone. It’s called freedom.

  • Steve V

    The answer to the question ” Why would Craig and Mullins – or anyone for the matter – want to purchase something from someone who so adamantly disagrees with their lifestyle?” is simple: It’s not about the cake. It’s about forcing someone that disagrees with them to do something they don’t want to do.

    Newsflash America, you still have the right to refuse service to anyone! You just don’t have the right to discriminate against certain protected groups. So when you tell someone you don’t like to “Get the **** out of my store.” Just DON’T explain why! Everyone that has stepped into controversy has done so by trying to “explain” themselves. Do what you want and keep your mouth shut. You are under no obligation to explain your decisions to anyone.

  • Anonymous

    Xiv, look me up on FB I’d be interested in interviewing you if you read this. I’m writing a book and part of it addresses this topic.

  • Brandon Godbee

    We are like children fighting with one another over who is right and what is right. Who maybe right in this situation is unclear, both parties are wrong on both sides. The store has the right to refuse service but we all know why they did it, and the gay couple has their rights too. Should they have gone elsewhere maybe? Should the bakery who supposedly serves the public or community have made the cake maybe?

    I think this is why Jesus teaches us to love each other and no sin is greater than another. I think we all have sinned right? I know I have! But I strive every day to be better and to do better. And I think this is why Jesus wanted to love each other, look at all this hatred! Look at all this clear unwillingness to love and accept your fellow man.

    Love people for who they are, only God can change them, and only he is allowed to judge them for their sins. Stop judging people because that is not your right. Stop trying to blame others for your short comings. Accept there are things you cannot, and that God will give you strength to endure it.

  • Anonymous

    I would be ashamed to run my shop that way. The only reason I refuse service to customers is if an order comes from someone who wants me to sell something to someone who’s in prison. That refusal is because prisoners generally lose their rights to have things from “outside”.

  • Deanna Chesebrough

    It’s called a population control agenda which they pander to “gays” in order to depopulate, since obviously they cannot and will not ever naturally procreate.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly. God doesn’t make people who sin no matter what other people say. That’s what people who judge others need to know. They need to ask themselves why if God hates homosexuality, and//or whatever people have judged is wrong over the decadees, and thinks it’s sinful why he would create gay people or other minorities in the first place.

  • Anonymous

    Race and sexual orientation have the same thing in common. Discrimination. The only thing that should be discriminated against are perversions. Not perceived perversions but real ones.

  • Jeri107

    Especially when you learn that the EEOC has ruled for Muslim truck drivers, that their employers cannot make them deliver alcohol. The companies MUST work around their beliefs. Pisses me off to no end. My only regret is that I do not own a trucking company – I’d have every delivery accompanied by at least 1 bottle of booze………..

  • Paper Boy

    The gay community is forever fighting for acceptability in society, but so far, no cigars. Should they hope that re-education will change anything, then they should be prepared for disappointment.

  • Paper Boy

    Because their agenda is paramount in their beings.

  • Jeri107

    I guess if it’s your belief, it should be good for all of us. I want to go to a Jewish deli for a ham sandwich, I want a Muslim to deliver a case of booze, I want an atheist to make a First Communion cake in the form of a cross, etc, etc., I want every Indian bride to wear a white wedding dress, and if I don’t get what I want, I’ll sue!! We can’t always have what we want OUT OF RESPECT and tolerance for other people moral or ethic beliefs. The left liberals are THEE most intolerant people on this earth. Discrimination should not and is not tolerated because of color, race, sex or age, all things being equal. This country was built on embracing individual beliefs and freedoms. Now, the liberals want us to embrace only and everything that they have decided is right. Public displays of homosexual, transgenders, cross dressers, flamers, all offend me. But public displays of hetersexuals offends me too. Keep that crap in the privacy of your own home. You have no right to force your beliefs, morals or lack of morals, on me and tell me I have to like it. I would like to make a law against showing your stinky, stained underwear, while your jeans are cinched below your crotch, the crotch hanging down to your knees, and 10 inches of pant legs dragging on the ground, and you buy sizes so large and baggy that you have to walk with legs so far apart so they don’t fall down. Makes them walk like they just dropped a load!!! I would have thought by now, that moronic look would have gone by the wayside, seeing it makes it really hard for thugs to run from the cops!! All I want is to NOT have this crap shoved down my throat. Don’t flaunt it like everyone has some obligation to cater to you. And yes, we DO understand what the Bible says – love the sinner, hate the sin

  • Jeri107

    I’ve always wondered why they chose the word “gay”. According to the dictionary, it has nothing to do with same-sex couples. Just another diversionary word to make it sound like something good. This PC is total crap. I would vary a guess that very few “African Americans” even know where Africa is on a map, much less to have ever been there. Maybe your ancestors came from there, but if you’re born here, your American, period. My ancestors came from Prussia and Ireland – so to be PC, I’m going to call myself Prussian Irish American.

  • Jeri107

    Fewer population is easier to control

  • Anonymous

    Why ? Do you think, then the lesbian community would be ok with the refusal?

  • Anonymous

    That is the problem with the whole militant “i’m gay and i’m proud” agenda. They don’t want to keep it in the bedroom. They want to force the world to give them special status.

  • Jeri107

    Why not abstain? There are cases where heterosexual people cannot have sex for medical reasons. My husband & I have gone without for over 20 yrs, and we’re living through it. It’s a choice. A couple can still be close even if sex is not an option. I say let them go thru getting legally married – seeing most of those homosexual relationships only last an average of 2 yrs, let them endure the pain and financial hardship of a legal divorce. Shouldn’t be too hard emotionally because of all the abortions being performed, it’s hard to adopt a baby, so they won’t have to worry about dependents being torn from their homes, and visitation, and all the crap that goes along with raising children from a divorced home. Homosexuality is only about 3% of the population, but we’re all expected to cow to a few. Wasn’t that long ago that marriage was legally Fedrally defined as a union between a man and a woman. Biology people – at least take 1 class

  • BlueMN

    Right! Remember the good old days when you could hang a “Whites only,” or a “No blacks, No dogs, No Irish,” or a “No Jews allowed” sign in your restaurant or shop window and everybody had to respect that? Not anymore, now you can’t even discriminate against same-sex couples. Thanks for nothing, Progressives!

  • Anonymous

    That is it and I have been telling people for years it is part of the GREENING of the planet agenda… The left could give a rip about gays.

  • Tim A

    ” I want to go to a Jewish deli for a ham sandwich, I want a Muslim to
    deliver a case of booze, I want an atheist to make a First Communion
    cake in the form of a cross, etc, etc., I want every Indian bride to
    wear a white wedding dress”… this just shows how many of you just don’t get it. If a Jewish deli doesn’t already sell ham, why would you go there for a ham sandwich? This business advertised that they sold wedding cakes. As a customer, if I want to buy one of their cakes, what I do with it once I leave the store is none of their business. This baker didn’t want to provide an advertised service for “those” people… and that’s discrimination. Doesn’t matter if “those” people are black, inter-racial, Jewish, Muslim, or gay.

  • Betty Lou Schwartz

    Xlv or whatever your name is….you start off by calling names and dissing a person you know nothing about — and you are the one who is ignorant and don’t understand what actually went on here. read a little more-

  • Anonymous

    In the wedding cake if they substitute salt for sugar and have Tabasco icing it would be o.k.right.

  • Maguire Ward

    As a gay conservative I always scrunch up before reading articles like this that involve the LGBT community and religious freedoms. I also restrain from reading comments on threads like this as well because I don’t enjoy reading the typical homophobic comments that grinds my gears.

    Anyways to the point I want to make here, I don’t care if this guy makes me a cake or not because thanks to the free market system in America I do not have to buy a cake from this guy, thought I really want to because of the simple fact that he is standing his ground, though I am sure he wouldn’t appreciate making me a cake. But that’s beside the point.

    Let the man be and let him bake for who he wants. Who cares?

  • Anonymous

    Oh, so because you think something is bad/wrong/immoral/whatever, ACTUALLY MORAL people should go against their long-established religious beliefs? And intellectually honest people who don’t necessarily have any religious beliefs but who, being intellectually honest, understand that by definition “homosexual marriage” is an OXYMORON, and thus an intolerable Orwellian affront on logic and reason itself, not to mention morality, should ALSO be forced into using the words you want and pretending they’re a-okay with the perversion of the language and culture? Shove off, tyrant.

  • Anonymous

    And let me guess — you think asking young people to “give up” sex until they’re married is too much to ask for, too? Just because you are weak doesn’t mean we should assume everyone else will be, thus ensuring they WILL be. But it’s no surprise: You and most of this generation are degenerates, raised by a culture taken over by degenerates.

    Also, “gay marriage” isn’t actually marriage, by definition. Get a dictionary that wasn’t written by a progressive in the last few decades. All dictionaries from before that and many still today (and we’re not talking about fringe works put together by agenda-driven activists, like the filth your ilk pushes). Just because someone has an urge to do something doesn’t mean it’s okay for them to do it.

  • Anonymous

    There is more scientific evidence that people are born with genes that makes them prone to violence than genes that “make” them homosexual. Obviously “born that way” isn’t an automatic freebie in all cases, so why in the world should it be the ultimate excuse for why someone acts like a deviant — or for anyone who tries to define deviancy down.

  • Flash Kellam

    I have the perfect solution to this problem. Go to a Colorado bakery owned by a
    sodomite. Tell him to write the words of Leviticus 18:22 on a cake. Tell him that
    it’s for a wedding. Remind him that he cannot refuse service.

  • SRM29

    We hear this every time we disagree with a homosexual. “We just hate homosexuals” “We’re a bunch of backwards bigots” etc. Yes, some jackasses do behave that way, but don’t you dare insinuate we all do!

    YES, you are right about this, it IS’NT any of our business! The problem is the growing line of homosexuals purposely making it our business! I don’t approve of the homosexual lifestyle, i’m sorry. That doesn’t mean i hate you and it sure doesn’t make me a bigot. I’ve heard all of the reasoning before and i simply don’t agree. How does that make me a hater?

    You don’t know Christianity very well, and by the sounds of it, neither do your friends. Christians obey the Word of God and do our best to follow Jesus Christ’s example, not the trends of Man. My “tiny little mind” is doing just fine. The world can change all it wants, that doesn’t mean we have to conform to it. Christianity isn’t going anywhere.

  • Jenn

    what’s next??…will obummer all of a sudden turn queer and wear a rainbow hat and say, “hey…I am the first gay president”??….there is no more freedom in America…

  • SRM29

    God didn’t create homosexuals. If He did, wouldn’t He give them a way to procreate? After all, God wanted mankind to procreate and fill the land.
    I have no doubt that homosexuals sincerely believe they were born that way. That’s just how they rationalize their behavior.

  • Anonymous

    You’ve obviously never baked a wedding cake. The baker does make the cake in the store and then brings it to the venue where it’s assembled and often the finishing decorations are put on. My daughter was married in December and it took our baker nearly 2 hours to get her cake set up, assembled and the finishing touches of glitter and snowflakes put on. It was a beautiful cake and a lot of work. My point is that if the person baking the cake didn’t want to be in the venue due to his belief that homosexual marriage is wrong, then forcing him to do so would be also be wrong. I’m sorry, but I would hate to have someone who didn’t feel comfortable around my daughter or the family baking and assembling her cake! The same goes if it’s for a Jewish, Muslim, Christian, or black/interracial affair. If someone isn’t comfortable, don’t force them to participate, unless of course the ultimate goal of tolerance is that only one side is tolerated to the defeat of the other.

  • Porphyry

    Close/sell the business & tell the various agencies to go shoot themselves.

  • Anonymous

    Homosexuals do procreate. They either get married because they try to be normal before “coming out” and bring children with them to the next relationship if they have custody or else they go to fertility clinics if they want kids. God creates gay people, they have an extra chromosome than we do. God doesn’t much care if people have kids or not, if that was the case religious people wouldn’t care if anyone had kids no matter if the person was old enough to be a parent or if they were married or not.

  • Bonnie Somer

    i keep saying IF WE DO NOT MARCH ON DC THEY WILL AND DO NOT GIVE A RATS ASS TIME TO MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND WE THE PEOPLE RUN THIS COUNTRY GO VOTE YES WE MUST MAKE ALL WE DO NOW COUNT OR THE JUSTINA PELLETIERS OF THE WORLD WILL HAPPEN AND ANTI CHRISTIANITY AND SO ON OUR FREEDOMS ARE BEING STRIPPED NOT DEFENDED TIME TO END THIS TYRANNY NOW GET UR ASS OFF THE COUCH AND MARCH

  • BlueMN

    First a minor correction, you used the word “ACTUALLY” when you should’ve used “so-called.” Those so-called “moral people” have used their religious beliefs to justify everything from massacring Native Americans to segregation and discrimination. It was funny when Pat or Stew told Beck “you don’t have the right to not serve Black people.” I’ll bet he got a talking to. LOL

    Same-sex marriage allows for someone to have their spouse speak for them if they are incapacitated or to take care of their estate if the die or just to be recognized as a married couple like everyone else. To tell them they have less rights than we do is the tyranny. I won’t shove off, I’ll just leave you behind while you stay in the dust bin of history.

  • Don Thompson

    This all started with smokers. Good or bad, everyone thought it was OK to tell a business owner that he/she HAD to discriminate against smokers.

  • Jeri107

    Every one of the above mentioned is done or not done because of RELIGIOUS BELIEFS!! So why is it OK for any other religion like Jewish or Muslim to live up to their beliefs, EXCEPT for Christians? I used to be a partner in a “Christian Bakery”, had a sign that said we could “refuse service”, and did not do cakes for occasions that offended our morals and ethics. Everybody in our town was smart enough and respected us enough to not ask us for cakes that were against our morals. I wouldn’t make cakes for divorces, Satan worship, the Koran, or penis or boob cakes either. What is so damn hard for athiests, or homosexuals, or devil worshipers, etc, to do their business with places that welcome them. Just because the government says that ONLY Christians are banned from their morals and beliefs, doesn’t make it right. My God comes first in my life and business, and NO government can impose their ethics on me. This is my money, my business, my beliefs. Once the government owns my business, they can make the rules. YOU’RE the one who doesn’t get it!! This had nothing to do with race – that is morally wrong for any Christian to discriminate because of race. Yes, it’s your business what you do with the product I sell you, IF I sell it to you. If you expect your beliefs to be recognized and respected, then I have that right too. The first Amendment says so…… You people always use the discrimination word. or offensive word, when you have no idea what it means! If someone doesn’t want your business, just go somewhere else. I’m in business to make a living, but my morals, ethics, and religious beliefs are not for sale. This whole thing was caused by homosexuals who wanted to force themselves on a Christian bakery, and wanted to “make an example” out of them. Try this crap in a Jewish deli or Muslim community and see how far you get. Go after Muslims, they murder homosexuals!!! But people like you go after and attack Christians because we are a tolerant, peaceful group, and bullies always pick on what they consider the weaker. People like you are bullies………..

  • Jeri107

    A real Christian does not hate the homosexual, we hate the sin. We pray for you. I applaud you for saying it’s none of governments business. Your sexual life or anybodys sexual life should be kept in the privacy of your own home or room. I don’t throw my heterosexuality in your face, and all we ask is that you don’t throw homosexuality into ours. I don’t want to see it anymore than you do. And I definitely don’t want it forced upon me. It’s your choice, just don’t ask me to agree.

  • John Williams

    This isn’t about their rights to marry, this is about a shop owners right to refuse service to a couple living a lifestyle he doesn’t agree with. ALL shop owners have a right to refuse service for any reason. If a gay couple walked in my store wanting a cake I would refuse as well. Guess what there are other stores. Pick one. Stop telling everyone they have to bow down and do your bidding because you’re gay. You want to be a normal couple and have the right to marry , act like it. No one other than gays can make such a stink and get away with it.

  • John Williams

    They own the store, they have the right to refuse service. I’m sure you’ve seen the signs. Once refused the logical step would be call another bakery, but no, we are told we have no choice but to cater to what we disagree with. Give me a break.

  • Lancey

    Why doesnt the State of Colorado.put in a “conscience clause” into the law which gives businesses an option clause based on moral and ethical grounds? Physicians and Pharmacists have conscience clauses which exempt them from providing services or medical procedures against their conscience providing that there is another one in the area or community willing to do it.

  • Anonymous

    Instead of the need for people to wear the Star of David to label them as a lesser human being !! Our police state government need to label these group of people who follow their religion harming no one by that they are such bad and evil people they have to go to re education camps or school even if the not guilty of hate or hate crimes or discrimation just following their religion !! They may be tattoo on the forehead by the word IT , by not addressing them by their name as a un-name thing ( insidious inhuman/ thing ) to degrade them as being human , The word IT could also stand for( independant/ thinker or thoughts) , (inciter/ terrorists and intolerable/ threat ) to progressive collective lockstep way of thinking !!! This will be done to set a example for people to follow the progressive police state government lockstep way of thinking or else and to the hell with your religion beliefs unless your are Muslim !!!!!!!!!!!!! Will this be the future for citizens of U.S if we allow the police state progressive collective movement to grow in our government !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????

  • Patricia Stahl-Shopsky

    Does this mean an atheist baker has to make 1st communion cakes and Easter cakes for Christians? How about a pedophile that wants to marry a minor child? What about a wedding cake for a polygamist? There are a lot of people with religious beliefs and some things just cross the line for them. As a business owner, you do have the right to refuse service to customers. It is a fine line, but like it or not, this can mean excluding people whose activities are offensive to your beliefs. Being gay is not being black or Native American, or Mexican. Being gay is a lifestyle choice. Many people find this lifestyle morally and nature offensive. Most importantly, they are ALLOWED to feel that way.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe Glenn should go to the same court and demand that Comcast,Verizon, etc serve him as other channels in the state and not to be discriminate against for being conservative channel like the The Blaze channel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????

  • Ingrid Fisher

    You know…..Maybe I am the ignorant one. I was not aware that by very simply & in a kind way say ” you are who you are but I don’t happen to agree with your lifestyle….” is considered “BASHING”? Why is it that ALOT of people these days feel that the ENTIRE WORLD has to agree & comply with every flippin choice that is made within the liberal minded agenda??? What a boring world this is going to become…..no longer will we see, hear or be part of good, clean debates because we will be forced to all have exactly the same thoughts……ZOMBIE AMERICA!!!

  • Anonymous

    Welcome to the progressive country of the non thinking expendable slaves zombie cogs !! That be at the mercy of the royal elites whims to be terminated !!!!!!!!!!!! Where individuals are not allow unless you are in the clicks of the royal elites !!!!

  • suzyshopper

    It shouldn’t be,and that’s the point, if a person can be forced too bake a cake, for someone, what’s next,wil,all clergy be forced too perform homosexual marriages,will we be forced too associate with them outside of our business, don’t tell us that couldn’t happen, because a guy who was a CEO OF MOZILLA, just lost his job, because he supported traditional marriage, and donated too someone cause 20 yrs ago, so explain too me, who dug into this guys past, just to try and smear his name, and hoping he would lose his job, on top of it ,and what about the guy who owned, the clippers,he said something in the privacy of his own home, that no one else was supposed too hear, and he was forced into to selling a team he bought. It’s not only that u want special rights , u want the govt, too be the thought police too. And if u can stop normal ppl, from so called (discriminating againt u , what’s too stop u from forcing church’s and religious schools too hire homosexuals.

  • suzyshopper

    Christians, is that what they call themselves, most Christians I know believe the Bible too be the word of God, I suggest if they don’t want too follow what it says, then don’t call themselves a Christian, the problem with those so called Christians nowadays, is they want too pick and choose, what they want too believe from Gods word, and the Bible calls a person who preaches any other gospel then the Bible a heretic. When a Christian leads another person astray in the faith, God will hold them accountable for what they have done.And for a person or church too condone homosexual marriage there going too be more than screwed, the Bible says they will not gain entrance into heaven, in other words unless they repent , they will be dammed, it would be the same, if one was a thief a liar, a killer, adulterer it isn’t like Christians are singling out any one sin.

  • suzyshopper

    Wow , couldn’t agree with u more, and u stated it in an intelligent way too.

  • suzyshopper

    Well some ppl have already lost there job, because they came out and said there for traditional marriage,U had a two guys on HGTV , who show was cancelled because they believed in tradional marriage, now u have Christian bakers being FORCED to do something, againt their Christian conscience, where will it stop, who is next that will fall victim, too the homosexual agenda.Theres once thing that’s really makes no sense,u have homos telling straights, what they do in the privacy of their own bedroom, is their business, but at the same time, they do everything they can, too take it out of the privacy of the bedroom, and push it into other ppls faces, then we when push back, they turn too bullying tactics, but the only difference is,they use the court of law to get what they want.They keep saying more and more ppl, are coming over too their side but if that’s were true, then they wouldn’t have too find a sympathetic judge too rule in their favor.The Constitution says that anything not enumerated in the law, then it’s supposed too be left up too the states too decide. So I say put it on the ballot, and let the state vote , if they want homosexual marriage,oops I just forgot, that won’t work, in California they did just that, and some activist judge overthrew the will of the ppl!!

  • suzyshopper

    Their trying to set a precident, in the law, where they can force ALL BUSINESSES TO accept their immoral lifestyle, they already got gay groups in school, the hate police in school,where you can’t have a diffrence of opinion, with out someone charging u with being a bully.Im telling u here and now , they won’t be satisfied till it’s a crime, too believe that the homosexual lifestyle is immoral, next they’ll come for the churches.But the not so good news for them is, even if they win every court case, in Gods court of law they’ll lose, and it just won’t be a court case, it will be their immortal soul. It’s funny how they will say, things like, I don’t believe in your God, or your Gods rights don’t trump mine, like GOD REALLY CARES ABOUT WHAT U THINK ABOUT HIM, he’s going too have the last laugh anyway!!!

  • suzyshopper

    I imagine if any gay person were to go into a shop, too order any other kind of cake,the owner would probably do it, it’s the WEDDING aspect that has too do with the refusal. If I owned a bakery, and a gay person came into order a cake, then if I refused,on that basis,then maybe the law should have something too say about it, if it us a non Christian bakery,but then what about my right as a business person, who built that business, why should the govt tell me, that I have too serve someone if I don’t want too?

  • suzyshopper

    Not only that,we can take it one step futher, should a atheist have too make a cake for a religious person, I say Nooo not if they find it distasteful , they shouldn’t ?You know what all this is leading too, soon it will be illegal PERIOD, too disagree or even state and opinion, about the gay lifestyle, being abnormal, it’s called incrementalism step by step.

  • suzyshopper

    Hey that’s idea, who’s time just might come.

  • Matthew Hailey

    Under this ruling the Westboro Baptist Church hate mongers can force an openly gay baker to bake a cake adorned with their hate speech. This ruling will force an openly gay graphics designer to produce the signs used by the Westboro members. I can go to a Muslim butcher and force him/her butcher a pig for me to use in my church’s cookout. In fact, with this ruling I could go to a Muslim artist and force him/her to create a depiction of Mohamed, dead and under the feet of Jesus, to be used as part of a religious teaching or ceremony. The Muslim would be forced to set aside his/her religious position against creating depictions of Mohamed in order to avoid discriminating against my religious beliefs. This decision is absurd.

  • suzyshopper

    That’s a really lousy assumption too make, most Christians I know fellowship with blacks in their own home church. I live in a community that’s diverse, their are more blacks and Hispanics in my community,my next door neighbor and I are on friendly terms, when even some of the blacks and Hispanics don’t like him or associate with him.Oh and by the way, last time I checked, black ppl were born black, they can’t change that, there is no gay gene, and some gays have been known too revert too a straight lifestyle, get married and have children, I don’t think a black person, can,change their color. It is rather obvious how gays try too hijack the civil rights for blacks, for your gay civil rights agenda, but even most blacks, can see thru that, thank goodness, it’s funny but a black majority of ppl that gays claim too have an affinity with, are the very same ppl , who have the highest majority of ppl who disagree with the homosexual lifestyle . Go figure.

  • BlueMN

    The statement I was responding to was in part, “‘homosexual marriage’ is an OXYMORON(sic),” You would have realized that had you payed attention.

    “ALL shop owners have a right to refuse service for any reason.” The US Supreme Court disagrees. See Heart of Atlanta Motel v. US and Katzenbach v. McClung for starters.

    How about Rosa Parks? Did she make a stink and get away with it? What if she had just shut up and moved to the back of the bus? Then she would just be a “normal” person like you wanted.

  • suzyshopper

    Yeah well a wholeeee lot of ppl see it as a perversion. And just because u don’t, doesn’t mean your opinion is anymore valid then anyone else’s.And until the 60s and 70s homosexuality was viewed as a perversion, matter fact a mental condition, by the AMA.

  • suzyshopper

    That could be,because God diidnt create them gayyyy, If u knew anything about the Bible, God doesn’t contradict himself, he wouldn’t condemn a practice ,if he had a hand in creating it, can u see that believing that God created a person gay, how it would be a contradiction too his very essence, of him being eternal, and unchangeable

  • suzyshopper

    Why would God comdemn something that he created,the answer is,he wouldn’t, therefore since he doesn’t ,he couldn’t have created it.And no,gays can not procreate in the normal sense of the word.Well I guess u know better, the mind of God, and have made him out to be a liar according too the way u think. I am very sorry for u that u feel that way ,about him, but in good time, it will all be ok, cause it’s his decision that will matter, in the end.

  • suzyshopper

    Because that wouldn’t get the gay agenda across,they could have went too any other bakery, but they didn’t, they want too force anyone, that disagrees with their lifestyle too submit, too their way of thinking PERIOD!!!

  • suzyshopper

    Well that was a breath of fresh air,figures you’d be a conservative, too espouse that view, and not a flaming liberal!!

  • Anonymous

    Well, it does seem lots of people have intolerance for both. When I said different time different place I was talking about if we all had this conversation back in the early sixties. Loads of the people on this site and the Blaze use different groups of people to talk about how life has changed from when they grew up. The gay people of nowadays would have been the blacks of fifty years ago. The same words are used for both with Conservatives saying how the world was/is becoming Communist. Just because all kinds of groups got civil rights. We would have been talking about Freedom Summer 1962 and the blacks who decided to sit at a “Whites Only” lunch counter until they got served. It’s very doubtful that the southerners and small town people who didn’t like what was going on then would be the same people saying much the same things about blacks as they are about Gays if Glenn’s website was around back then.

  • Anonymous

    The Bible was written by people who understood God in their own way and wrote about it. They had the prejudices of their time and since the Bible everyone knows about(as opposed to all the other lost books and scrolls the Catholic Church decided to leave out) has been read for thousands of years the same things they believed have been handed down from generation to generation.

  • Anonymous

    Of course gay people can have kids. When I was a kid there was a family who lived next door whose mom was gay. She was married to a man became convention of the times said women should. All the kids in the neighborhood accepted that the mom was a little offbeat, it’s just the way life was.

  • Sargonarhes

    More than likely their next step is to sue some religious place of worship that won’t allow them to use the facilities for their wedding. Which would be an obvious extreme act of stupidity if they’re not regular members of that church.

  • Bolvon72

    This is a popular example, but a poor choice to use in this case. You have the example backwards, i.e. the business owner being born to his position (black) and the customer having the ideology by choice (racist)

    Try it as a white supremacist baker selling “whites only” pies. Is this discrimination lawful, moral, or even tolerated?

  • Bolvon72

    “You are now having to go into a reeducation camp to be able to keep your doors open,” Glenn said. “It’s insane, and it is un-American.”

    The same argument folks were making back in ’64. Wrong then, and wrong now.

  • Bolvon72

    A quick edit:

    This isn’t about their rights to marry, this is about a shop owners right to refuse service to an interracial couple living a lifestyle he doesn’t agree with. ALL shop owners have a right to refuse service for any reason. If an interracial couple walked in my store wanting a cake I would refuse as well. Guess what there are other stores. Pick one. Stop telling everyone they have to bow down and do your bidding because you’re a miscegenist. You want to be a normal couple and have the right to marry , act like it. No one other than mixed couples can make such a stink and get away with it.

  • Bolvon72

    This is not just about sex, stop confusing that.

  • Bolvon72

    Black people make up about 12% of the population, why allow them to ride at the front of the bus, or drink from the same fountains as others. Don’t get me started on the Asians. Wait, I’m starting to feel like a schmuck, someone tell me how to live with myself.

  • Bolvon72

    When did you choose to like the opposite sex?

  • John Williams

    Interracial? Nice try I’m not a racist just because you say I am. I have no problems with mixed race couples, I have no problems with gays or anyone else for that matter. The problem I have is when they tell me I have to accept them and change my life too suit them. They have rights of course, but so do I. They don’t get to tread on my rights to assert thiers. But you go ahead and turn it racist because you have no other argument. Grow up explain your position without the use of the race card and we might listen. If you persist in accusing racism every time you don’t get your way and we will stop listening all together. Have a blessed day

  • Bolvon72

    At no point did I say that you were racist. I used your own ideas with a different outlook. Forty years ago many would have found my edits a reasonable argument. Those days are gone, through the many acts of brave people standing up to bigotry. The fact that you cannot see the point I was making and took it as a personal insult gives great evidence that you cannot understand how little a gay marriage affects you and your rights. The majority of America sees the forests, I will leave you with your trees.

  • Bolvon72

    abom·i·na·tion

    noun ə-ˌbä-mə-ˈnā-shən

    : something that causes disgust or hatred

    followed with “a fantasy persecution” Really? Should I also point out you compared homosexuality to the KKK?

  • Bolvon72

    Signs are bits of cardboard, the right to refuse has been heard repeatedly by the courts and that carried a bit more weight. The only way a business providing public access can refuse service is if the individual(s) deny others the ability to gain access to that business in the same manner. An example would be a person so foul smelling that they affect other diners in a restaurant. A couple wishing to purchase a cake from a baker that advertises cakes cannot be refused based on sex, race, religion, national origin or sexual orientation.

  • Bolvon72

    So many contradictions and so little time, I will simply add that the constitution does not give you protection from being offended. That said, where was the public display here, they were purchasing a wedding cake for a wedding, like so many others have in the past.

  • John Williams

    40 years ago many would not have found your edits reasonable, because 40 years ago we wouldn’t have been having this conversation. And yes the different outlook was intended to infer that I’m a a racist. I just payed attention and called you on it. I see the forest just fine and believe me I don’t like where we are headed. Gay marriage in itself doesn’t affect me and my rights one little bit. But liberals tell me that I’m not allowed to do anything religious, or have any kind of religious gathering in a public place now but gays can have and do anything immoral they like because the legislature is so afraid of the gay rights activists. We ALL have the same rights. Many state governments have recognised gay marriage, fine, stop with all this nonsense.

  • John Williams

    He had to post to mine to make it look as though suzyshopper was agreeing with home.. lol. But bovine you are correct, the constitution does not protect anyone from being offended,,, including gays. A private business is not public access. What so all businesses are there to Insure your comfort now? Um no. No company can be forced to provide a service to you. If you walked in my store I would turn you away because ei don’t like liberals. I would lose business and probably have to close the doors in bankruptcy court but I could do it. Reality, meet bovine. Oops bolvon. My bad

  • Bolvon72

    A public accommodation is a private entity that owns, operates, leases, or leases to, a place of public accommodation. Places of public accommodation include a wide range of entities, such as restaurants, hotels, theaters, doctors’ offices, pharmacies, retail stores, museums, libraries, parks, private schools, and day care centers. Private clubs and religious organizations are exempt from the ADA’s title III requirements for public accommodations. reference eeoc.gov.

    No company can be forced to provide a service to you. Wrong, read above

    It’s called a backspace, if you must correct a mistake, unless of course you wish to resort to name calling, as you seem to, as immature as it is. John, meet reality, it has references.

  • Bolvon72

    Stop with the nonsense? This is an article debasing the civil rights of a certain group. I think you are confused as to which nonsense must be stopped.

    Liberals say you cant have a religious gathering in a public place? In just one day (May 7th) it is estimated that over two million people attended more than 30,000 observances – organized by approximately 40,000 volunteers. At state capitols, county court houses, on the steps of city halls, and in schools, businesses, churches and homes, people stopped their activities and gathered for prayer. Oh how persecuted.

  • Bolvon72

    I’m sure he doesn’t advertise “Christian wedding cakes” just wedding cakes, which is what they asked for. Try smacking harder.

  • Bolvon72

    Maybe even Leviticus 19:27.

  • Bolvon72

    Just for all the people that keep saying “Right to refuse service” You have seen too many signs. The law 42 US code 2000a states:
    Equal access
    All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.

    As of 2008 Colorado has included sexual orientation to this law. If one is unhappy with this law, try to have it changed, but for now, it is the way it is, and saying it isn’t doesn’t change it.

  • Ron Chaney

    Power of attorney would accomplish that, without the destruction of the 2000 year old religious institution of marriage,but then thats really the goal of the sodom mafia isn’t it.

  • Anonymous

    The agenda here is an anti-Christian one. The shop owner is expressing Judeo-Christian values, and that does not sit well with some people.
    Amira Bakery is a little halal shop in Denver. Do you think the happy couple would walk into this business looking for special accommodation; and if they were to and were refused said accommodation, would there be any mention of the incident in the media or at the courthouse?

  • Anonymous

    the institution of marriage dates well back beyond 2000 yrs. even wikipaedia cites the ancient jewish religious institution (about 3500 yrs old).

  • Anonymous

    when i was in my early teens. how about you?