Dana Loesch eviscerates the leftist view of poverty: ‘Poverty is a choice!’

Dana Loesch opened Monday’s Glenn Beck Program simple yet powerful message: Poverty is a choice. Despite what those in Washington D.C. would like us to believe, there is a path out of poverty that does not involve checks from the government and entitlement programs.

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“I know a thing or two about poverty,” Dana said. “I spent my childhood in a house headed by a single mom, and sometimes we would have milk, gravy, and biscuits twice a day to save money.”

As Dana explained, she grew up tiny, rented house in a small town with her single mother who worked three minimum wage jobs to provide as best she could for her daughter. While she didn’t always have three meals a day to eat or the proper school supplies, Dana explained they got by because of her mother’s hard work – not a government handout.

“Here’s something: My mom never went on welfare. We never took entitlements,” Dana said. “She worked three jobs… but she never once went on a single food stamp. Nothing. She made minimum wage, and we survived.”

While her mother was entitled to pursue happiness, there was no guarantee that pursuit would be easy. No one, as Dana explained, is entitled to easiness. But everyone is entitled to choose how they wish to live their life. Look no further than President Barack Obama to understand no one in the United States is a slave to the class they were born into.

“My mother did not choose poverty. She may have been born with it, but she didn’t choose it,” Dana said emphatically. “You cannot tell me that poverty is forced upon people… That’s a lie that survives because a particular political entity lives on the power of grievance.”

With the left’s entire political capital tied up in the promise of ‘free’ stuff and government assistance, it is time for the right to come forward with principle-based solutions to the problems that currently keep people in poverty. Congressman Paul Ryan (R-WI) is one Republican speaking out about the issue via his “Expanding Opportunity in America” plan and his new book, The Way Forward: Renewing the American Idea. Ryan joined Dana to discuss the solutions he believes forge a path forward.

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While Ryan’s plan has received criticism from some on the right for not doing enough to thwart entitlement spending and some on the left for consolidating a number of welfare programs, he is one of the few politicians actually speaking out about the issue at all.

Despite being 50 years into the War on Poverty and spending trillions of dollars on government programs, Ryan said the United States is facing its highest poverty rate in a generation. Ryan explained the origins of poverty are complicated because some people experience a “generational poverty,” in which they face persistent, multi-generational poverty, while others face a more temporary struggle due to the death of a spouse or the loss of a job.

“There are a lot of different ways people go into poverty,” he said. “The point I’m focusing on is, instead of having what I call an ‘input-based’ approach… based on how much money government spends [and] how many programs are created… why don’t we think about measuring it based on outcomes, effort, are we getting people out of poverty, results?”

Ultimately, Ryan wants to focus on getting people “from welfare to work” – not via Washington D.C.’s top-down approach that has “failed” time and time again, but by giving states and communities the ability to implement these principles as they see fit.

Under Ryan’s plan, states will need to prove they have met certain criteria and outputs in order to qualify for what is essentially a block grant.

“There are strings,” Ryan said of the grant. “People have to work, and they have to measure the results. [States] can’t take the money and spend it on filling potholes. It has to be [spent] on serving the poor, [but] they can customize it, consolidate it.”

“You have to break up the welfare monopolies,” he continued. “Right now, most welfare is gotten from a local government agency. You have to break it up and let other entities – non profits, for profits, religious charities – let them in on the game of providing welfare benefits and assistance… so families in need actually have choices.”

While “liberal progressives” seek to take power and money from communities and give it to the government so that a large, centralized force is essentially responsible for administering rights, his plan seeks to return to the conservative ideals of a limited government that works for the people.

“Let’s get back to those core, founding principles,” Ryan concluded. “Let’s get back to Constitutional principles… by focusing on outcomes and focusing on results.”

  • Yo Mamma

    Most of the poor people of the world are of color. Here you have a white
    t_ wat that could easily have used the oldest trade known to women to get
    ‘a head’

    Girl, paint yourself black and talk poverty

    You make me want to imagine you without your skin and then, crying poverty. You don’t know

    yeah, we’re white, we’re hot, we’re poor

    Can you fix my plumbing? I have no money, but I am sure I could help you in some other ways

    Disclaimer: This may never have happened. Granted. But the thought did cross my mind and what plumber would mind fixing those pipes for free

    Glenn, dig up some nasty old crud and lets hear her poverty story. Yes, if she’s white and ugly, its ok too, but a cute black woman would do as well. There are so many OTHER possibilities

    • G….h.i

      Hater

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    • landofaahs

      I am so sick of your poor is me colored people crap. You people are too busy feeling sorry for yourself to lift yourself out of your poverty. You must love it or you would not be blaming others for your deficiencies.

      • Yo Mamma

        You must be white and I know you are christian. No wonder your religion is in such a mess

        • BlueMN

          Lando advocates genocide on Central American children too.

        • E. Garrison

          Another liberal that can’t win an argument, so you resort to insults and calling names, as usual. Don’t reply to this guy anymore. It’s worthless to argue with some people and this guy is one of them. Let him stew in his own misery. Congrats, Eric. Keep on keeping on!

          • Yo Mamma

            I am so honoured ‘E. Garrison’

            You have made 2 great posts

            ALL FOR ME :-)

        • landofaahs

          Or Jewish, or Polish or German or Dane or a combination. You must be anti Semitic. Have you ever heard of Messianic Jews? Or I could be the bearded lady at the circus. And my religion is not in a mess but we are in the midst of a mess called the world. Life can be good when you do things the right way. By the way, most people posting insinuating blackness are usually white guilt laden liberals of which I suspect you are.

          • Yo Mamma

            You can call yourself whatever you like grandma. As long as you have a copy of that stolen Torah in front of your bible, you’re just a common thief, like all the rest

          • landofaahs

            Mohammed was a child molester.

          • Yo Mamma

            Are you jealous? Aim a tad higher sister

            What Mohammed did a wonderful job doing was to point out the evilness in the 2 new religions that blossomed out of the destruction.

            Yes, from The Hebrews split these two angry waring religions. The Christians first then the jews following at their heals

          • landofaahs

            I would never be jealous of a child molester like Mohammed.

          • Yo Mamma

            Then be creative and be a child molester of your own making. Its illegal but you seem determined

          • landofaahs

            That is not pleasing to me. What is sad is that 70 virgins would have to share a dumb muslim who was too stupid not to blow himself up. And yes, Mohammed was a child molester. I understand why you say yo Mamma cause you probably don’t know who yo daddy is.

          • Yo Mamma

            remind me should I forget that this is our last conversation

          • landofaahs

            Remind me lest I forget Mohammed was a child molester.

    • Willy Thompson

      How does a brain like yours signals so you could type that drivel–wow!!!!

      • Yo Mamma

        You’re another Muslim hater that does nothing to stop the flood of illegal catholics entering the southern borders

        I smell a hypocrite

        • E. Garrison

          Wow, so much venom. I actually feel sorry for you.

          • Yo Mamma

            You know one thing that I find fascinating is this…

            If the christian god asked his followers to give all their riches to the poor, you need the poor to fulfill his wishes AND you need to have riches.

            We know christians have riches, but why beat up on the poor because you need them to dump your money?

            You should be very happy that the poor exist

        • Willy Thompson

          just as i thought–no signals to your brain–thanks for confirming that

          • Yo Mamma

            Willy, how do you get by with a name like that. What caring parent would name their kid willy?

    • BraveNative

      People of color do not have a monopoly on poverty. While some have made it their “identity” and cling to it as their reason to blame “whitey” it is still just an excuse to not do better. Yes it is easier to sit back and blame others but can you imagine if you actually tried to lift yourself up and your efforts inspired others to do the same and on and on? Remember…no one is forcing you to stay where you are or how you are. Many things can bring you low but prayer and hard work have lifted me.

  • soybomb315

    Well it seems Paul Ryan and Dana Loesch miss the bigger picture…The #1 cause of the massive increase in poor people in this country is due to the Federal Reserve. You can talk about getting rid of entitlements all day long but unless they start talking about the Federal Reserve, we are getting nowhere.

  • Rick

    I made it out of the hood with hard work and determination! If I can do it, anyone can! Paul Ryan’s ideas will work! Someone has got to light a fire under the masses of the freeloaders!

    • BlueMN

      His ideas worked under the feudal era, why not now?

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        • soybomb315

          cant you at least spam us with a pro-liberty slant?

          • Rick

            Lol!

          • Vicki

            Rick, I’ve read nearly this entire thread and enjoyed your point of view, optimism, and wisdom. God is speaking through you and your experience. Thank you for sharing your story and your bold words. I believe that many will benefit greatly from what you’ve written. I really enjoyed it.

          • Rick

            Thank you Vicki, and I’d like to apologize to you & everyone for my strong language and bad grammar, at times. I hope people can make sense out of the thread, as it is now mostly out of place and time, here and there, due to the order of correspondence in and outbound. Nevertheless, I hope to empower the poor, minorities and white alike, that they too can do it! They too can make it out! It’s merely a state of mind and faith in Jesus Christ!

    • Krimsen King

      hahahaha “masses of the freeloaders”… what a lovely perception you have of your fellow human beings….. hahahaha sheesh……

      • Yo Mamma

        This is what ‘rick’ wrote. Yes, you guessed it. YET Another confused christian.

        You go ahead and continue to troll the Christians, its no problem with us, as we are happy to suffer thru your hurtful words. We, unlike your Libtard butt buddies, aren’t victims of words, we thrive on them!

        • Rick

          Another LOSER!

          • Yo Mamma

            Maybe, but you’re a white boy pretending to be black

            You just got schooled once poor white boy now out of his trailer park

          • Rick

            How the hell an I pretending to be anything? I never claimed to be black, and why would I pretend to be black? Are you crazy? What, do you think only blacks get killed in the hood? How do you know my friends weren’t black, or latino? They were, you want pictures and obituaries?

          • Yo Mamma

            You did say you were from the HOOD.

            “I made it out of the hood….”

            Isn’t that correct white boy with attitude?

            The hood is reference to a black neighborhood

            Ref: the term ‘ghetto’ or ‘hood (short for neighborhood) …

            You should have said white boy, trailerpark or poor white folks part of town

          • Rick

            REALLY!??! So now the hood only means black ghetto? So my latino, white, gang infested neighborhood, doesn’t qualify to your black racist terminology? Sounds like you are the one full of racism and anger, not me, I’m just venting that most losers can rise up out of bad neighborhoods, like I did! I had everything going against me, but I wasn’t the only one that made it, a few others did too, the ones that didn’t get caught up by the gangs. And the Mexican mafia is MUCH WORSE than your little negros gangs, trust me!

          • Rick

            And Yes I Am A PROUD Christian, always have been! And I am white, so what! And yes, lots of things came so easy to me, and now I’m RICH B¡TCH! Edit: I’m lucky because I made my own luck by focusing on work, not waiting for hand outs. Success comes from trying not waiting. Trying over and over until something finally works out great!

          • Yo Mamma

            In stark contract to your exuberance in your new found riches, wasn’t it your god that mentioned to give your riches to the poor?

            Because RICH B¡TCH its no use in your magical kingdom and i aint talking disney MF

            You were closer to your man god being poor. Go back, you are wasting your time and efforts

          • Rick

            Your stupidity absolutely astounds me! You’ve proven my point over and over again! If you continue to view life in America from that point of view, it’s no wonder my God hasn’t helped you! He has certainly helped me, over and over again! He has also put me in check when I needed it. This time however, he’s telling me not to back down to the crazies!

          • Yo Mamma

            Sadly your god hasn’t helped you.

            And God Creator hasn’t helped your god help you

            And therein lies your problems sparky

            Obey your man god and GIVE away your riches to the deserving poor. If not you are a wicked evil man and a blasphemer of your god, the white anglo on a stick

          • Rick

            There you go again with your racist assumptions. How in the hell do you know I don’t help the handicapped poor? I raise tons of money for the MDA. I will never help an able bodied citizen, except to offer them a job! Which I do all the time! The bible says to never help a beggar, unless the can come to your front door! You happen to pick and choose, typical atheist bull!

      • Rick

        Hey, I grew up on welfare, did you? Do you know what’s it’s like to grow up in a neighborhood where all you see and hear is the adults talk about gaming the system, not all the adults, but MOST! Do you know what’s it’s like to starve the last two weeks of every month, begging from your friends, or only having the school lunch once a day, and then only part of the year? Do you know what’s it’s like watching your friends being murdered, one by one, due to gang infestations? When I was younger, my mother worked, we lived in a very nice neighborhood, and we NEVER went without! She started to hang out with a bunch of losers, and next thing we know, we’re moving to the ghetto, she quits her job, and we begin the worst way of life I could’ve ever imagined, on welfare! I started working to help buy food, when I was 8 years old, just to help us eat, those last two weeks of each month! By 10, I was selling drugs! How’s thats? I Was Learning From The neighborhood, how to make illegal money, while still collecting government money! At 12 years old, I finally realized everyone in my neighborhood was LOSERS! I got a real job, paper route, legal money, and then at 14, my first clock in job, cleaning gutters, sewers, train track pass overs, and around the old closed down factories, and I’ve been Conservative ever since! There are very few whom really need government assistance! I know first hand! So don’t you tell me to have a bleeding heart! If everyone were personally responsible for their own well beimg, our country wouldn’t be such a sh¡thole! Damn libt¤rds like you, whom know nothing, don’t help at all! Stop trying to help, your doing more harm!

        • Rick

          Come on! What you got?

        • Krimsen King

          yes… you know first hand the depths into which humanity falls when faced with poverty… you know the results of a persistent LACK OF OPPORTUNITY in these communities… but you blame those who have the least say in their society.. the poorest and weakest.. who are forced to ‘game the system’ just to scrape by… I suppose it is a truly subjective notion, those who ‘deserve’ or ‘need’ assistance… but disregarding assistance and even ability, the FACT remains, the OBJECTIVE FACT, that there are FAR fewer opportunities available to the general public than there used to be… those with the MOST power and influence have been WARPING society to suit their massive profits, while literally DESTROYING the job market here and the economy GLOBALLY… you remember that massive recession we’re creeping out of now… do you really think it was caused by all these ‘lazy’ poor people????? You can call yourself whatever you like, and you can assume that anyone who disagrees belongs to some perceived opposing ‘side’, but these are and always have been PARTISAN DELUSIONS… the MASSIVE amounts of money flowing into our electoral system INHERENTLY AND FUNDAMENTALLY CORRUPT ALL OUR POLITICIANS REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL PARTY OR IDEOLOGY… this has actually, literally changed this country from a once freely and fairly elected democratic system into an ACTUAL OLIGARCHY… u know, that brutal and medieval societal system where the very few, very wealthy control ALL ASPECTS OF SOCIETY… u know, like russia or china or thailand or brazil or ANY OTHER THIRD WORLD DUMP… they used pleasing platitudes like ‘personal responsibility’ and ‘free market solutions’ to manipulate YOU into believing the weakest and most powerless are somehow responsible for all the ills of society… responsible for their own lack of opportunities, while they work tirelessly to deprive everyone of them… brilliant work, really… now bow to your new overlords, serf… you serve them so well… bow to your new oligarchs.

          • Rick

            I absolutely blame the poor! Not the handicapped, nor the mentally ill, but those whom are like I was. And I came up during the recession of the 80’s, so I don’t believe there’s no opportunity! I refuse to accept that notion, for I made my own opportunity! I would sell door to door, go to every business and ask if they needed help, I’ve never once in my life ever used the classifieds! Your life is what you make of it, PERIOD! I absolutely reject any liberal argument on the matter!

          • Krimsen King

            hahaha what about a ‘conservative’ argument on the matter? You must try to understand that no one ‘side’ is always right nor always wrong… these are partisan delusions and they do lead you into darkness… You really must try to understand that YOUR LIFE IS ONLY WHAT YOU CAN MAKE OF IT… yes, you strived very hard to work your way free from poverty… Do you really believe it should be as hard for everyone as it was for you??? Do you really believe that a civilized society should make opportunities so difficult to come by??? And do you really believe that opportunities in society have remained the same for half a century????? good grief how do you not see that your beliefs have been warped by a cult calling itself ‘conservatism’???

          • Rick

            More proof that I’m right! Keep it coming! ANYWAYS, What I Meant Is Life Can Throw Any Curve Ball At me, And I WILL make it out, NOTHING can ever stop me! Too bad for you and the rest of the losers, everyone else doesn’t have the drive and determination I do! I have also been crippled, and still worked! I have been through hell, and you don’t see me complaining for help! I did it all myself!

          • Krimsen King

            tuts… be more specific…

          • Krimsen King

            that is really good for you, friend… again… do you really believe it should be as hard for everyone to find opportunity in a civilized society??? do you really believe that the American Way should be ‘every man for himself’??? It is what our new oligarchs and these new ‘conservatives’ have built for us…

          • Yo Mamma

            They’re starting to get the message that it doesn’t work

            But they’re chomping on the bit because the result isn’t pretty

          • Rick

            Actually, I’m claiming it’s EASY! Anyone that cannot succeed in America, is in fact a LOSER! Legal immigrants come here daily, and become RICH! They can because they’ve come from circumstances where they REALLY have no opportunity. Anyone can do it, IT’S EASY! I come from no opportunity, but I made my own opportunity! Those that dont, are lazy, or they want hand outs! That’s the fact JACK!

          • Krimsen King

            good lord, you have got some ridiculous partisan delusions….. you become unfamiliar with facts when you get so lost in them… OBJECTIVE FACTS would substantially contradict ALL of your claims… can you not recognize how dark your perceptions are of your fellow human beings?? Do you really believe that large segments of humanity are just ‘lazy’ or somehow ‘crooked’ and corrupt???? Just bloody ridiculous, guy….. hahahahaha

          • queenslaby

            you r trying to “divert” the conversation, to justify your opinion. Rick has nailed it! most Americans are Lazy, or spoiled!

          • Rick

            Thanks again! I’m trying here! It’s very difficult to teach the libbies. I pray daily we can convert more of them, but it will be an uphill battle. But it’s people like Dr Ben Carson, Larry Elder, Jonathan Gentry, Jason Riley, to name a few, that keep me going! Every day, there are more and more minorities that see the truth! The truth of what our founders had planned for us. Individual freedom, personal responsibility, and success for all that work! Of course there will always be the occasional citizen that needs a hand up, but 50 million is overboard! It’s time we draw the line and cut back and teach these people to work for what they need and stop expecting others to pay for them!

          • queenslaby

            well said!

          • Krimsen King

            hahaha no, no diversion…. in fact, we just got to the bottom of things… you hold tight to your ridiculous partisan delusions because you have a ridiculously false perception of your fellow Americans…. hahaha congratulations, you’ve figured it out… WELL DONE YOU ;)

          • elevenoclock

            I agree, most Americans have been spoiled by the relative easy life we have been born into as compared to the rest of the world. In the book “The Magic of Thinking Big” there is a whole chapter about Excusitis. Read it! Not everyone will be rich but everyone can have a comfortable life with effort put forth and the drive to never give up.

            We didn’t help win WWII because we had better soldiers or weapons we won because we would never give up and eventually the other side realized it. Enthusiasm and Determination equals success.

          • Something Is Wrong

            I’m sorry to be coming back to you elevenoclock after just replying to you up above, but I think you missed a couple things in history class. We didn’t win WWII because of determination, we faced an enemy (especially in the Pacific) who had way more determination than we did. In fact, they were so die-hard that they would fight almost literally to the last man and as a result, every battle with them resulted in extremely heavy casualties. We only got them to surrender by taking our technology that was far superior to anything they had and demonstrated that if they didn’t surrender, we would vaporize all of them. Same thing in Europe, we won because we completely overwhelmed them and that came only after bombing the crap out of them for years out of England. Russia pushing from the East didn’t hurt either. Hitler never gave up until Berlin was minutes away from being over-run. I’m pretty sure his last words were not “too… much.. determination… can’t… overcome… their… enthusiasm…” But you just believe what you want to believe, the real world will be waiting when you choose to return.

          • Laura Dees

            Work hard..you may need more then one job..pay your bills..stop whining.. it is that easy. Most welfare recipients won’t work at McDonald’s or scrub toilets.. you know like the poor Mexicans you liberals like to whine about. No one should have to be forced to pay for some one else to live. It’s your responsibility.. also yours to provide for your kids. We live frugal.. we are not even upper poor class..but we are not leaches and I do not expect anyone to support me or mine. Stop whinning..civilized society my foot..just wanting something you didn’t earn. No cable old car beans and rice don’t eat out buy second hand endure heat and cold but generic…shut up and grow up …yea it is easy..delusional my foot..we see fellow man all right.

          • Krimsen King

            yes, everyone you believe you disagree with is a dirty hippie liberal… PARTISAN DELUSION… yes, ‘get a job’ you bum… huh…. hahahaha good grief BREAK YOUR OWN STEREOTYPE ;)

          • Laura Dees

            Get a job.

          • Krimsen King

            join a cult.

          • Melinda

            Do you even know what partisan means? You use that word a lot, and nothing to back it up.

          • Krimsen King

            partisan delusions are falsehoods that people believe because they identify themselves as a part of some political movement or ‘party’… generally, under the false impression that one ‘side’ must be always right and some opposing ‘side’ must be always wrong… if you wish more clarification, please be more specific :)

          • Something Is Wrong

            “Actually, I’m claiming it’s EASY! Anyone that cannot succeed in America, is in fact a LOSER!”
            Rick,
            I spent 8 years serving my nation rather than serving my own career ambitions. I had the highest levels of security clearance available, supervised multiple subordinates, managed multi-million dollar financial and equipment accounts, and the list could go on and on (including two deployments to the Middle East). During all that time, I built a family (four kids) and then when I get out and go looking for a job, every single employer, without exception, tells me that none of my experience means anything to them. By the time I finally did get a job (which was paying way too low for my family’s needs; would have been great pay if I were single with no kids), I find that my trust issues from experiences in the military that I won’t share here make it nearly impossible for me to work under somebody. Every day was an absolute nightmare. So I try starting up a business (because I have a head full of ideas and see many opportunities for successful new businesses) but with my family’s needs and the length of time that they went unfulfilled, my savings is depleted and I have no money. I put everything I did have into it anyway though and worked my butt off and tried to raise what remained through crowdfunding but lo and behold, nobody can spare $10 to help me out. I’m guessing that if you had come across my funding efforts, you’d say the same thing a lot of my friends said, “you just need to work hard” and then you’d continue on completely unwilling to actually do anything to help me out. Thank you Rick, for confirming to me that I’m a loser. I feel it every day and I hate having to feed my family with food stamps but at this point I don’t know what else to do. Apparently I just can’t handle what’s “easy”.

          • Rick

            Please forgive me, as I’m about to offend you, although i greatly admire your bravery, being the mitary man you are. But it sounds like a bunch of excuses to me. Have you read each and every one of my comments here today, on this thread? Then you’d know how I feel about opportunities. No opportunities will come knocking at your door. Why do you need an investor? I started my company with $0. Do you know how to hustle? Perhaps not, because your not yet starving, you havemt lost everything, you havent been homeless, or close to homeless, because your sucking off the government teet. I wouldn’t wish any of that on you or your family, however, Perhaps you haven’t had to try hard enough, simply because you haven’t ever needed it enough. I think it may not be 100% your fault! It’s our government, they’re turning us into dependents! You said yourself, that you can’t make enough on the jobs available, which says, your probably making close to that, or more, just off of welfare, I’m I right? Perhaps close. Are you one of those, “well gosh, I’ll be earning the same as the amount welfare is giving me”, so why bother right, is that you?. Well I say to you, your success is out that front door! How can you just sit there and not pound pavement every waking hour, trying to hustle up your success? That’s what I can’t understand. How can you be happy, waiting for a check to be given to you, for no work at all, except they own you? Now I do see your specific circumstances a little different. If, in fact you truly cannot work for an employer, due to things that happened in the military, then you may not be able to take care of yourself. And I Don’t NOT Knock You For that. I’ve said over and over, I feel for the sick people, handicapped, mentally ill, etc, etc… My words are directed at the able-bodied, healthy adult or age appropriate youngster.You also have kids, although, , that wouldn’t stop me from working, even if it was minimum wage! I have been extremely poor, grew up poor, worked from age 8, lots of success in early life, $80,0000/yr, a Porsche at age 21, great life, then broken back, addicted to drugs and painkillers, ,went broke, homeless living in car, can’t walk no use of left leg, tried to get social security or disability, they turned me down as they do even first time, it turns out to be A God send, because I HAD to work for whatever, whomever would hire me, I get $5/ hour clean auto engines, I rent a nasty room in ghetto until I save and get better job. You may have to make sacrifices, and you may have to do stuff you don’t like, but if I didn’t get that job, I would’ve never had my idea for my company I have now! Every single day out working, meeting people, doing your best to make your employer happy and rich, is another day of your personal success!! If you cam make any employer more money, you’ll be promoted! I’ve always strive to be the best employee, no matter how sh¡tty the job! Until I finall started my own business, with $0!! Borrowed a few dollars to get cheap business license, signed up accounts and off to work I go! Have you noticed I’ve never mentioned family? All my family is poor, I cannot count on help from no one but myself! And since most of my family is on welfare, I never want to be! I resent welfare! But I do apologize if I’ve offended you, as I do greatly respect military. And I do think you can do that business idea of yours! You can do whatever you wamt! But you really have to want it!

          • Something Is Wrong

            I think the biggest problem you have is that you take a little bit of information and then assume the rest. I mean, how much of your comment was telling me who I am and how I am? That’s straight up ridiculous! You don’t know me from Adam yet somehow you “know” all about me (even though almost everything you think you know is wrong). And you know what, no I haven’t read every single post you have written on this discussion board because the ones I have read all seem to be the same thing and I don’t have all day to sit and attend to you. As far as needing an investor, um, not all businesses are the same and very few can really start and make money with $0. But what would I know, I’ve only been through the process of starting a business (currently own it) and I have a degree in business. Just the fees and taxes alone cost quite a bit more than $0 but that’s only if you’re going to do things the right way according to state, national, and local laws. So don’t feed me the bullcrap. The next biggest problem you have is a problem that a lot of conservatives have (and if you read my previous comments on other threads, you’ll see very clearly that I am anything but liberal) and that is that you want to get rid of a world that you are helping to create. When I had my crowdfunding project open, it amazed me how many of my friends (I have both liberal and conservative friends) who helped me out that are liberal versus those who are conservative. The liberals won out no contest. Far too many conservatives cry for the end of government assistance but they do nothing to offer an alternative of their own. Thomas Paine had it right when he said that society’s ills are the province of the churches and all individuals in the society, but never the province of the government. However, in order for that to work, in order for people to keep government out of the business of solving societal ills, society (that includes conservatives) needs to step forward and give of themselves to help out those in need of help. Before that happens though, you’ve got to realize that not everyone is you, not everyone has had the same good fortune you have had, and that there are real circumstances where people need some help. That’s what crowdfunding is all about, getting a lot of people to help out just a little and make a big difference. But you don’t get that because you’re too busy telling everyone “I did it myself and look at me now! Nobody helped me, so I’m not helping anybody else!” and then you dare accuse other people of having the attitude problem. Wow. I’m not going to divulge the specifics of my problems with you or the challenges I face because it’s already clear that you don’t care, certainly not as much as you care about denigrating everyone who might need help in life. I’m sorry I’m getting a little rude here, but keep your apologies jackhole, because your whole attitude and everything else you have written completely negates it. You cry for a solution to a problem that you are unwilling to help solve yourself (which makes you a hypocrite). The best way to get rid of welfare programs is for people to become so generous and giving to their neighbor that there is simply no reason for the government to even get involved at all (imagine the numbers of liberals who would suddenly not have a cause anymore). I doubt very much that you will ever be part of such a solution.

          • elevenoclock

            That’s your problem, you have a degree in business. You need to watch “Back to School” with Rodney Dangerfield.

            Having a degree in business is like having a fishing pole and thinking you are a commercial fisherman.

            Maybe if you were willing to listen to people like Rick you might actually learn something. Throwing money into a business without the right experience or mindset is what government does and we see how well that’s worked out.

            As a start up every dollar you put in has to return a profit, quit paying accountants, and fees before you even make a profit that’s the way to fail. Write your own literature, print the literature, mail the literature and follow up on the literature, and keep doing it until you get it right.

          • Something Is Wrong

            Thank you elevenoclock. What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this thread is now dumber for having read it. (just so you don’t go getting too offended, that’s a quote from the movie Billy Madison, with some adaptation from me for the situation, all written with a heavy dose of sarcasm) But really, what exactly do you think you know about my degree or my business? Stop paying accountants? You must know my business costs more than I do. Amazing clairvoyancy you have going for you there; maybe you should start up a 1-900 business. You can call it Miss Cleo 2: Open at Eleven O Clock. I love how you assume right off that I have no experience or knowledge in my field and that I’m just a big idiot. You must be a real joy to be around. Like I said to Rick, every business is different and the associated costs are going to vary widely from one business type to another. If I was starting up a business that sold an intellectual property, then great, I can make money without spending much of any money (hmm, maybe I should start up a 1-900 number like yours). However, if I have something like a retail function with a storefront (not what I’m shooting for, but it serves for the example) then before I can make even a single dime, I have to pay for a space, licenses, inventory, employees, hiring expenses, marketing, and the list goes on and on. I’m sure you already knew that however, because you watched “Back to School”. By the time you’ve paid for everything, you’re already in it anywhere from 20-30K if you’re extremely lucky and have some great connections up to a couple hundred thousand dollars. And you wonder why one might need investors. Maybe if you were willing to take in all the information that is given and not make up the rest in your head, you’d look less like an idiot when you respond to me.

          • Krimsen King

            their strong, absolute and undying belief in stereotypes leads them to delusional pre-judgment of anyone and everyone based on the most limited and narrow ‘evidence’… they all belong to a cult and with their overwhelming belief, they become stereotypes of themselves… u know, like every other religious extremist…

          • elevenoclock

            Amen Rick,

            Success happens when experience and opportunity meet. I have met thousands of people as a lecturer who start businesses and employment careers and when they fail they blame everything from bad economy to GOD.

            Hustle is the way you succeed. As a South Bronx child I knew there had to be something better than crime to succeed. And like you I worked my way out of despair by schooling myself and failing a whole lot of times until I finally had most of the right solutions down pat.

            Regardless of what bad situation a person finds themselves, in America there are all sorts of ways to overcome poverty, and welfare isn’t one of them.

          • Rick

            Ahhh, refreshing to see yet another like myself! Praise our Lord! Yes, I agree and I thank God for all my struggles and failures, for without that, I would’ve never learned to endure. At this point in my life, no obstacle is too great! You and I, and others like us, have learned through experience, how to overcome anything and everything, in order to succeed, and it’s the greatest thing ever! I thank God for every experience, the good and the bad! It’s absolutely amazing to feel the hand of God, as he directs my life and helps me through life with his lessons! And I thank God daily for my life here in America, where anything is possible through determination! Welfare should be for the handicapped, mentally ill, only! And for able bodied, maybe just 2-4 weeks, at most! But it needs to be harshly scrutinized and reduced in every way possible! Those changes alone will have dramatic positive results, once the loads realize their on their own! There will have to be re-entry programs and gradual elimination of entitlements. America will once again be great!

          • Krimsen King

            clearly your experiences are so limited and narrow that they give you the impression that anyone and everyone comes from similar if not identical circumstances… this guy shows you explicitly and personally how our society has become degraded, how our job market has been plundered, and how few actual opportunities exist in this society, and you very neatly, very easily dismiss his experiences as ‘excuses’… yes, you must feel very ‘tough’ and very ‘proud’ of yourself for being such a hard worker, so very unlike so many others… yes, everyone else is just lazier than you are… and the FACT that there are ACTUALLY 5(FIVE) people applying for every 1(ONE) job has nothing to do with it… the FACT that our American companies outsourced our ENTIRE manufacturing sector to SLAVE labor in the third world has nothing to do with it… yes, all societal FACTS and circumstances are irrelevant ‘excuses’ because YOU could do it, and YOUR circumstances allowed you to ‘succeed’, so naturally everyone else’s circumstances are the same… holy shnikeys… can you really not see your delusional arrogance???????

          • George Boss Jr.

            So you’re having a hard time right now, and have to rely on food stamps to make it through. That’s what food stamps are for. Let me ask, do you plan on staying on food stamps for the next 20 years? Are you going to show your kids how to milk the system so they can stay home, sell dope and run to the mail box to get the check expected? Are your daughters going to have multiple children from different fathers just so they can get a bigger check? I got out of the military in ’81 during Carter’s recession. I was single and could barely support myself. I was like you with a Top Secret security clearance and operating million dollar equipment, but in less than a year, I realized that I was going nowhere fast. So I re-enlisted and became an electrician so when I did get out the second time I had a trade that could get a job in the civilian world. I wish you luck, God’s blessing, good karma, what ever you need to get out of the situation you are in. But if you give up like a lot of people have, you NEVER rise to your potential. There are so many stories out there of people who did not give up on themselves. Edison and Col. Sanders are just two examples that come to mind. I’ve met Col. Sanders before he died. He didn’t start to sell his chicken recipe until he was 65 years old.

          • Something Is Wrong

            Did you not read the part where I said I hate having to feed my family with food stamps? Did you miss the part about me trying to start up a business? Do you really think I’m trying to scam the system here? Even though all my funding attempts for my business have failed, even though both my partners ditched me because it was too much work for them, even though I’ve been left with all the business’ debt and its continuing expenses, I’m still here. Unfortunately, the financial state I’m in is such that I can’t get to a place where I’m turning a profit anytime soon. I need money (about $60K worth). And then there’s the fact that I have a family to provide for which is vastly different from being single. Re-enlisting isn’t an option (I’m rated at 60% disabled, may be going higher soon, possibly to 100%) and even if it were, the nature of my issues are such that it would never work out. I don’t know what my next move is. I’m considering using the last of my GI Bill and getting my Masters degree or regrouping and rethinking everything that has happened so far. It’s really frustrating though to listen to people who would never actually do anything to help somebody else out who is struggling but want to go on and on about how if you’re on any form of welfare, you’re an idiot and it’s all your fault.

          • Rick

            Based on this comment, you clearly fall into what I listed as exceptions, in my opinion, but you didn’t have time to read my thread, so we have a miscommunication. Sounds to me you do qualify for help that you clearly need, no shame in that. I have plenty of disabled in my family, so I know how hard I can be. I’m disabled, but I don’t have children, so I choose not to fore go the red tape and waiting, while starving until I get my first check. So I choose to work and deal with my pain and walking issues. None of what I was b itching about was directed at someone like you. I was talking to able-bodied, mentally stable people, whom game the system, and make welfare a career. I have clearly stated, time and time again, that I support help for those that truly need it. God be with you and i truly do appreciate your sacrifice for our freedom.

          • plumberskid

            If you haven’t done so yet, you may want to go to the nearest VA and request assistance with your trust issues so that you can move on with your life. There are also resources available on-line to assist with job placement for veterans. You must have qualified for the GI Bill. Go back to school and learn a trade that is in demand, or a new profession. You mention that you have a wife and 4 kids. Can she help out by taking a job and supporting the family while you work towards your goal? One thing that I have found about the military (and I come from a military family) is that it stifles creative thought and the ability to think outside the box. After so many years of being told what to do and when to do it, it is sometimes hard to problem solve, but it is a skill that can be learned. Good luck to you, keep your head up and never stop trying. Thank you for serving.

          • Something Is Wrong

            Thank you for a non-insulting reply, it seems to be a rarity here with this story and I appreciate your levity. Not all of your advice applies to me, and some of it, I have taken and already am taking as I write this. Again, I thank you for a non-incendiary reply, I do appreciate it.

          • Rick

            Absolutely! Everyone should put their own weight! Only the handicapped, the elderly, the mentally ill, and the occasional sh¡thead that needs a hand up, should get help! Not 50 million people! That’s ridiculous!

          • Yo Mamma

            I am mentally ill – feed me – seriously

            hey, hey

            you chose to go to war

            there are a lot of soldiers with all kinds of mental issues, maybe in the millions

            don’t go calling them sh¡theads that needs a hand up

          • Rick

            I’ve already figured that out! Thanks for the clarification though.

          • Rick

            Don’t go twisting my words. I never mentioned any military, whom I greatly admire! They would fall under the handicapped exception. And I only knocked you because you started this, by doubting my story. You cannot comment on my personal struggles without ever have walked in my shoes. The sh¡theads are the lazy loser able bodied, with their hands out!

          • Yo Mamma

            Have you been to war you slimy piece of dog crap? Have you any idea the mental trauma that can be inflicted on you in a split second?

            Evaporate maggot

          • Rick

            If you classify helping my friends out of a stabbing, or running from gun fire, trying to save my little brother not get killed, or burying half my graduating class, lost to gang warfare, then Yes, I’ve been to war! But I’ve never been in the military, and I would NEVER try to equate my struggles with what our great soldiers have been thru! Don’t even go there! Don’t you dare try to put words in my mouth! Gosh! Typical libt¤rd tactics!

          • Yo Mamma

            LOL, so you equate a rough neighborhood to war? Not only are you an idiot but you insult every veteran that has ever gone to war. Go volunteer, go through basics, get sent away and tell me what its like. You’ll think your ‘hood’ an amusement park. Better yet GET DRAFTED so you don’t really want to be in uniform BUT YOU HAVE TO. Your sorry azz is a joke

          • Rick

            I wouldn’t qualify, I’m handicapped, I broke my back, and don’t have use of my left leg, YET I work hard eveyday! I’m not of social security! I’ve had to limp thru many low wage jobs, until I could afford to work for myself! Now, I own my own company, that I built with my own very two hands! I did all the labor myself for the first ten years, until I could finally afford my first employee! Whom I pay very well! Now I have several employees, and I get taxed all to hell to pay for the entitlements and health care for those whom are too lazy! And I’m not talking about those that really need it. I’m still very capable of doing the work, and I still work with my guys, but I give them the hours, even when I can do the small jobs myself! You have no clue what it’s like to work your way up do you? Your too afraid of being called a brown noser! Your too afraid of being called a sell out! You probably hate corporations, even though they provide most jobs in America! I know your type. Your still waiting for your lucky day, when someone discovers you for a talent not worth anything to anybody! Opportunity will never find you unless you get out there and work! You’ve got to prove your worth! And that’s what the losers hate the most! They’re too scared well all see they’re not worth sh¡t! So they give up and take, take, take! You reap what you sow.

          • Yo Mamma

            As a handicapped person, don’t you get government handouts?

          • Rick

            Can you read? I am not nor was I ever on any assistance! But if I were, I would be the exception I’ve been talking about all morning with you, or have you already forgotten? But I’m not. In order to get assistance, you have to play games with social security and disability office. Against everything I believe in, I did apply, mostly because I was about to be homeless and couldn’t get a personal loan at the time, because I wasn’t working, because I couldn’t walk. But they didn’t approve me even though I couldn’t walk on two legs at the time. Everyone told me that’s what they do. They automatically turn down everyone the first time, and you have to appeal it several times before you actually get approved. Well I decided I was better than that, especially since I wouldn’t have gotten anything for at least 6 months! That was God gift to me! I thank God I didn’t get government help! God gave me the strength to figure out how to walk again, and although I struggled, I made it out from yet another bad part of my life! One of the many struggles I’ve endured, and yet I’ve figured out every time how to succeed! If I want something, I’ll get it myself! If something cost more than I can afford, I’ll make more money! If life throws me a curve ball, I’ll duck and run right at it! I’m not afraid of anything, certainly not death! And that’s what faith is! You should check yours.

          • Yo Mamma

            No disability?

          • Mark

            No, Rick doesn’t offend those of us who have served. But you surely do.

          • Yo Mamma

            You sound like a virgin – Your first time I guess

          • Rick

            God bless you Mark, I really needed that., thank you!

          • Melinda

            You have never had to live in a rough neighborhood have you? War doesn’t have to be declared to be a war… Vietnam taught us that. The Revolutionary War really consisted of little battles. Is not a war when gangs have firearms? And respectable people are afraid to leave their homes? Is it not a war when someone dies at the hands of gang members? No regular law abiding citizens struggling in the ghetto is not considered a war zone. It’s considered a bad neighborhood run by violent thugs with drugs and turf wars. And Vietnam was/is considered a conflict. But I would not call it that. It is a war zone… just a different kind of one. Both innocents and those trying to fight the bad guys deserve respect and recognition because whether you are soldier fighting a war, or a single mom fighting one in a bad neighborhood… It is battle after battle just the same. And some do not make it home… just the same.

          • Yo Mamma

            Wow, I was schooled. You wouldn’t have bothered writing your rant if you have been a mile in my shoes darlin

          • Rick

            Great comment Melinda! The things we dealt with everyday was scary! And we haven’t yet touched on the peer pressure!

          • Krimsen King

            you must consider the circumstances, though… if a very few, very wealthy individuals control ALL ASPECTS of a society (which they do here now in our new oligarchy), often they only feel like paying a fraction of the wages needed to lift people out of poverty… that’s why every other third world oligarchy is so brutal and so devoid of ANY opportunities for their people… we slide so steadily, so steadily increasingly towards this system, yet we still don’t see… we take sides, and hold tight, expecting victory or defeat… when we have ALL already been defeated by the new medieval America… now, again… BOW TO YOUR NEW OVERLORDS, SERF… yes, you do serve them so very well… bow to your oligarchs.

          • Rick

            Trickle down baby! America does better when the rich do better! Anyways, it’s not just the rich corporations that provide the jobs, small businesses actually provide more than half the jobs in America! Why do the poor worry so much about the rich making money? Each job position should pay what’s it’s market value is, PERIOD! It’s nobody responsibility but your own,to make enough money to survive. That’s exactly the point Dana makes here, everyone makes a choice as to how poor or how rich they want to be! Look around….everyday we see yet another minority get rich, either by music, dancing, small businesses, big businesses, sports, EVERYWHERE! Everyday we discovered yet another minority Conservative! Slowly but surely, they see the light! The goodness and righteousness of honest hard work! Godly work! Hard work will turn to smart work, if everyone applies themselves. Everyone Has an equal chance, only in America!

          • BlueMN

            The money always trickles up, not down. That’s why the middle class has been disappearing since Reaganomics took over. The “Job Creator” myth is fine if you want a $1 a day job in China. Did you know you’re more likely to go from rags to riches in Europe than in the US?

          • Krimsen King

            yeh, I understand the premise just fine… and it is a fine premise when society is perfectly civilized and running smoothly… but when society devolves into OLIGARCHY, and a very few, very wealthy control ALL ASPECTS of society (like WE THE PEOPLE used to…), there actually ARE deficits in OPPORTUNITY… yes, if everyone would just stop being lazy and whining, there would somehow be more jobs and educational opportunities for them… You must try to accept that for more than a decade now, there have been, on average, about 4-5 people competing for ONE job… THIS IS NOT OPPORTUNITY, IT IS THE OPPOSITE… no amount of ‘pulling yourself up by your bootstraps’ or ‘personal responsibility’ will change this… ONLY public policy, and careful regulation written by FREELY AND FAIRLY ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES can help this situation, as it was THEY (and not the ‘unskilled’ poor) WHO DECIDED TO CHANGE IT TO OLIGARCHY IN THE FIRST PLACE.

          • queenslaby

            so are you implying it’s ok for Rick to have done it the hard way, but it should be EASY for everyone else…. or just easy for the lazy?

          • Rick

            Great point! Thank you! It’s astounding, the absurdity of these bleeding hearts! If their argument were true, we wouldn’t have anyone from a poor neighborhood, make it oit.

          • Krimsen King

            hahahahahahaha oh my, the delusions… yes, that’s right… if our society made opportunities easily accessible, life would just be too easy for people….. good GRIEF eyeroll……

          • Melinda

            My only suggestion here, is if you have a theory that will work… then have at it. But your “eye roll” comments and laughter seem to be portraying your own delusions. It’s a non argument with you unfortunately. Clearly you have displayed a middle school level maturity and argue for arguments sake. Say something with some base to it. Opinions are welcomed as much as they differ in this country, our Right. However opinions do not get us anywhere. Working does. Toward your goal, toward success, and is it all possible to use theories that will work? Without insult? jeez

          • Krimsen King

            follow along, now…

          • Shawn Cameron

            Nobody ever said it should be every man for himself, you’re taking it to the extreme. The idea is if someone isn’t willing to do for themselves, to help THEMSELVES, then why should anyone else help them? Big difference between that and every man for themselves.

            And of you are going to pretend that the welfare and disability rolls are not heaping full of people perfectly able to work, yet preferring to take free money then you’re either being dishonest or stupid.

          • Rick

            Thank you Shawn, excellent clarification!

          • Krimsen King

            actually, the glorified and sanctified concept of ‘personal responsibility’ ultimately degrades human motivation to the very most basic self-preservation instincts, and it actually does degrade ALL OF SOCIETY into this ‘every man for himself’ philosophy… have you really not noticed it spreading all around the world the last 50 years????? it has gotten really bad, u know……

          • Shawn Cameron

            Yes things have gotten bad because of personal responsibility. BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF IT. Because leftists act as if responsibility is a filthy word and that the idea someone taking responsibility for themselves is an idea suited for the Middle Ages. #1 rule of leftist philosophy, always take credit, never accept responsibility.

            Now go ahead and tell me leftists don’t think that after you have just said it yourself.

          • Krimsen King

            HAHAHAHA I DON’T CARE WHAT ‘LEFTISTS THINK’… I don’t care what ‘leftists want’ either… u see, in AMERICA, when she was still a freely and fairly elected democratic system, WE THE PEOPLE get to decide what’s best for us… not the most ideologically extreme members of society… in an OLIGARCHY, however, the very few, very wealthiest members of society control ALL ASPECTS of society… so you see, if those few have some radical or extreme ideology, then they can enact whatever policies they want… but to ignore the need for sane, reasonable public policy by spouting PLATITUDES like ‘personal responsibility’ and ‘free market solutions’, YOU are relieving yourself of any responsibility to understand public policy, legislation, and the needs of your fellow Americans… it is not lazy to look for solutions to problems in society, first by recognizing them… it is EXTREMELY lazy and arrogant to deny this responsibility of civilization by dismissing VERY REAL PROBLEMS with society and public policy based on this ridiculous and vague notion of ‘personal responsibility’… Not to mention, when it comes to governance and public policy… how, precisely would you write legislation to encourage these lazy masses to take ‘personal responsibility’??? hahahaha you must try to understand that not everyone you believe you disagree with is on some opposite ‘side’… and not everyone ‘left’ of you is necessarily a ‘leftist’ hahahahaha ridiculous political cult you find yourself in ;)

          • fred

            I think you need to get a job or move. Work or starve

          • Krimsen King

            wonderful assumptions…

          • Yo Mamma

            This is the hypocrisy and irony in his argument: He claims to be a christian and that his god helped him, but he hates the poor, which his god loved. Weird eh

          • Rick

            I never said I hate the poor, that’s your racist view. I hate lazy losers! And I’ve seen first hand what they are like, and how they game the system! I put my foot down and decided my own fate! They called me a brown noser! They said I was a sell out! Meanwhile, I was the only one with a job and a car at 14 years old! Meanwhile, they were making babies and signing up for welfare, by not claiming who’s the dad! I’m sure you all know that little trick, you don’t put the father on the birth certificate! As soon as I was 18, I left the hood! The Mexican/White hood, for those whom that the term “hood” is only for the blacks. The city streets, not the trailer park., trailer parks are very nice. I’ve met a lot of great friends that live at trailer parks, some of my very best friends!

          • Yo Mamma

            You are superior – Its easy to look good when everyone else is so bad

          • Rick

            And you are Inferior! It’s easy to be inferior, just give up and wait for the hand outs!

          • Yo Mamma

            You have me now rick. I am inferior AND PROUD OF IT

            lol

          • Rick

            You finally admit it. That’s all I’m saying. Now….get your loser ass up and get a second job or an education if you need more money! Don’t expect someone else to help all the time! The day will come when there’s no help for you! There’s no time like the present to get your sh¡t together!

          • Yo Mamma

            You’re my hero. A motivational speaker

          • Rick

            And you are the negativity I had to run from in the HOOD I grew up in!

          • Yo Mamma

            We all have our talents rick

            I don’t knock yours

            You knock mine, but you’re less than in so doing

          • DJ in AZ

            You are MUCH better than you claim to be or think you are, but you are choosing to listen to that voice that tells you that you can never win, you can never improve, and you can never be better. Quit listening to that Loser voice, and start to believe in the God who gave you life and the ability to choose a better life. Don’t settle for mediocrity and inferiority! You are better than that! It is time to choose a better way of living!

          • Yo Mamma

            DJ
            When last did you eat pork?

          • DJ in AZ

            What’s that got to do with this conversation?

            How much do you get paid to troll this site?

          • Rick

            Excellent point of view! Everyone can be whatever they want to be! Everyone has value, the only exception being, the value they put on themselves. Great point!

          • http://mikemitchellonline.blogspot.com Mike Mitchell

            Why shouldn’t it be hard? To go all country music on you, and to paraphrase, “I beg your pardon, but no one ever promised you a rose garden.”

          • Krimsen King

            well, yes… civilization is such an outdated and quaint notion….. and we should always base our society on country music songs…….. good grief

          • plumberskid

            So you’re saying that if something is “too hard”, it should just be given to you? That puts us right where we are now, with hundreds of thousands of people siting at home waiting on the mailman to bring them their monthly check. It’s “too hard” to get out of bed and get dressed and show up on time to work every day! It’s “too hard” to get a newspaper and look through the want ads and apply for a job. It’s “too hard” to enroll in school, take classes and learn new skills so that I’ll be able to find a job and take care of myself! Let me guess. You’ve never really worked for anything in your life, and your daddy got you your job. You were also not raised by a Marine. Here’s a life lesson for you. No one ever said that life would be fair, and no one ever guaranteed that it would be easy. And anything worth having is worth working for.

          • Krimsen King

            yes, that’s right… when there are no jobs to be found, when 6 people are applying for every 1 job, yes you’re right, it actually is ‘too hard’ to find them… when the cost of living rises, but wages stagnate and fall, yes, it actually is ‘too hard’ to support a family… yes, when companies outsource our entire manufacturing base, with millions of decent jobs going to slave labor all around the world… yes, in this case, it is WAY too hard to find opportunities in this society… Civilization does NOT guarantee an ‘ease’ of life… it only EVER has and SHOULD guarantee OPPORTUNITIES, EQUAL FOR ALL to find a life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness… why do we always forget the most important rights of civilization that our Constitution protects??

          • fred

            You gotta be kidding! Are you a loser too?

          • Krimsen King

            be more specific

          • Yo Mamma

            Do not blame the poor sparky, help the poor, love the poor be glad you have the poor. Now give your money to them.The poor will love you for it – go now do not wait

          • Amiablejak

            I know inner city developmentally disabled people (St. Louisans) who go to work every day. It is a choice to get up out of bed and do something. Granted, there are agencies that help them, but I’ll be damned if that’s not an excellent use of local resources.

          • Rick

            I absolutely agree! Poor is a choice! Even some handicapped work! Whenever they can! Now if you see that, then you see able-bodied adults not working, that’s just wrong!

          • http://mikemitchellonline.blogspot.com Mike Mitchell

            I do not know a single conservative who has ever suggested that we should not assist in providing or encouraging charity for the handicapped, widows or orphans. Nor do I know anyone who wants to cut off the legitimately disabled (paralyzed, amputees, etc.). What we are all sick of its paying healthy, capable people to sit on their butts and do nothing. Oh wait, they do one thing. They vote for Democrats. There need to be work programs tied to Welfare, public housing and public assistance. Those who can work, should work. And the goal must be to get people off Welfare and into the workforce.

          • Rick

            Please put your foil hat on tighter! Your losing touch with the mother ship!

          • DJ in AZ

            Nobody is FORCED to game the system! NOBODY! That is a choice…that’s the truth!!!

          • Krimsen King

            hahaha yes, and sometimes it’s the only ‘choice’ people have… Do you really consider it a ‘choice’ if it really is the only one?? careful your darkness, monkey ;)

          • DJ in AZ

            There are always choices. They might not be easy or convenient or clearly apparent, but there are ALWAYS choices.

          • Krimsen King

            and again… if it is the only choice, is it really a choice?

          • DJ in AZ

            And again…it is not the only choice.

          • Krimsen King

            hahaha really you’ve never been faced with only one option, only one choice??? wow, you must’ve led a very charmed life… good for you ;)

          • DJ in AZ

            Sorry that you’re confused, but this conversation is not about me – it’s about all people. We always have choices. God gave us the ability to choose between right and wrong, and ample opportunities to do so.

          • Krimsen King

            I’m sorry you assume I’m confused haha… yes, God gives generously… but within human society, MAN often controls the amount and availability of opportunity for his fellow man… more so in an OLIGARCHY, which is sadly what we have become… yes, we may have plenty of opportunities to choose between right and wrong, but many of us don’t have the opportunity to earn a living wage or to change our status in society… it is quite easy to dismiss the need for societal change by saying it’s up to each individual, by saying ‘personal responsibility’ and ‘free market solutions’… yes, this relieves us all (especially those actually responsible for depriving society of opportunity) from any burden to have to think of solutions… “get a job, you lazy bum” is MUCH easier than trying to understand how and why so many have so little… yes, it is so much easier to apply stereotypical perceptions to large chunks of society and dismiss them as ‘lazy’ or ‘irresponsible’ or ‘lacking work ethic’… as if there is some massive population within society that just doesn’t have the basic human need to provide for oneself and one’s family like the rest of humanity… careful your dark perceptions of your fellow human beings, friend… they are delusions.

          • http://mikemitchellonline.blogspot.com Mike Mitchell

            You are not entirely wrong.

          • Krimsen King

            you’d be surprised how right I am ;)

          • Melinda

            Since when did this country start blaming everyone else for our own poor decisions. There is PLENTY of opportunity!! If one is not too prideful to accept a lesser desired employment for the sake of reaching success down the road. Understand that the corporations and market system (aka economy) is run by the consumer… 2/3rds of it. And if you want to talk about the economy that took a nose dive in 2008… Partly banks loaning money to people who couldn’t afford it. WHY!? because people in America do not know how to manage his/her own money…FACT… you make 45k a year… don’t be buying a $500,000 home!!! duh, sorry, just thought it was common sense. Evidently not. Our country is in debt… personal AND National. Why can’t we live within our means? Make sound financial decisions? Cause I have seen both sides of the money coin, struggling, and success. And MOST of it was how I spent the money I earned. Even the poor in this country are WAY better off than elsewhere. It is not lack of opportunity. It is pure laziness, depression and lack of drive to succeed. I have also witnessed day in and day out rhetoric on how to skim the system. It disgusts me. Whether you’re a liberal, democrat, republican, conservative…what have you… you keep handing “FREE” stuff out to help… then there is no drive to get out of a situation. THAT is human nature. I am all for teaching a man to fish… not giving to him. Regarding our government and its corruption… I agree it corrupt. We the voting people PUT THEM THERE!!!! So we have only ourselves to blame who cast the popular vote. Can we make a MUCH BETTER choice next time!

          • Krimsen King

            when there are 6(six) people applying, fighting for every 1(one) job, there are actually TOO FEW OPPORTUNITIES… when people must work 3(three) jobs to make enough money to scrape by, and when corporate profiteers move ALL OF OUR MANUFACTURING to slave labor markets all around the world, then… THEN THERE IS AN ACTUAL LACK OF OPPORTUNITIES… when education and healthcare are privatized and profiteered, yes…. THERE ACTUALLY IS A LACK OF OPPORTUNITY… you must try to understand that your opportunities are NOT THE SAME FOR THE REST OF SOCIETY…

          • plumberskid

            There is no such thing as “lack of opportunity”. There is, however, the lack of taking the initiative to get off your butt and search for your opportunities. There is also the lack of humility which prevents many people from taking the jobs that are available because they feel that they are “too good” to do “that kind of work”. And there is plenty of just plain old gaming-the-system, which Rick has already pointed out. I used to think that if some of these people spent as much time looking for work as they did coming up with various ways to cheat the system, they would all be productive taxpayers living better lives, and able to pay for their own housing, food, medical expense, etc. But why should they when they have Uncle Sam (you and I) to pick up the tab for them. The problem is that eventually the number of slackers exceeds the number of workers, and well, here we are. I remember walking to the bus stop every day to get to my minimum wage job and hearing al of the neighbors snicker and call me a fool, because they made just as much as I did sitting on their backsides all day as I did working. Of course, I eventually was promoted, went to college and got a much better job, and was able to move to nicer surroundings, buy a car and pay my own bills, and taxes (plenty of them). The old neighbors are still sitting on their porches laughing at the few young folks who took the time to look for their opportunity, and to grab it and run with it. And instead of being mad at themselves, they continue to blame everyone else for their failure. If the are “victims”, then it’s only because they have made themselves victims, instead of making themselves successful.

          • Krimsen King

            yes, that’s right…. there are just large chunks of society that have no desire to work or to support themselves….. yes, large populations with no ambition or drive…. yes, this isn’t a ridiculous partisan delusion at all………….. sheesh

          • Rick

            Plumberskid, I couldn’t agree more! Excuses, excuses, while they sit and wait for their checks, undeserved, some of them! Sounds like you’ve also experienced a childhood similar to mine in some, if not all, aspects. I applaud your choices to swallow your pride, as I did, ignore the peer pressure, and decide your gonna make something of your life! We get the last laugh! But it is quite unfortunate that we even have people like Krimsen queen, atheists whom are so lost from God, that they actually believe diplomacy be beyond their grasp because of man. God is the answer!

        • queenslaby

          thank You. Good to hear from someone who has been there, and smart enough and ambitious enough help himself!

          • Rick

            Thank you. I am proof that anyone can make it in America. Myself and every legal immigrant that comes here from truly poor countries, and still succeed better than most Americans born here! Proof that we coddle our poor and are not helping them at all!

        • Marbran

          Thanks, Rick.

          My single mother raised us two boys on welfare, in the ghetto. She was also taking care of her ailing mother, so she couldn’t get a part time job until we were about 12. But she made sure we didn’t get into trouble, that we did good in school, and that we avoided the wrong crowd. Today, I have a wonderful career. She went on to re-marry, had her own career, and is now happily retired. She got us out of welfare, but too many people choose it as a lifestyle.

          • Rick

            Thank you Marbran, that’s a great point you bring. We’ve got to stop the career takers! I’m proud of you and your family for utilizing the program, the way it’s meant to be, and then moving on to bigger and better things! God Bless you and your family!

        • George Boss Jr.

          Thank you Rick for your honesty. I’m sorry that you had to go through that rough patch in your life, but I’m sure you would agree with me when I say that you would not be the man you are if it went any other way.

        • plumberskid

          It sounds like we grew up n the same neighborhood. I’m glad to hear that I wasn’t the only one who made it out alive and unscathed, and who realized early on exactly who was responsible for promoting the policies that lead to generational poverty and government dependence.

        • Paul_Xavier

          You’re smart. It’s great to see someone who can think for themselves and not give up! The thing is some people are suckers, and they the the welfare system helps the way it is. We have other people who are designing it for the purpose, of ruining this country. We can’t call them stupid because this ruin is intentional. Read a communist manifesto some time. They’re released every few years, and printed in public papers. It outlines that destroying our economy is their primary objective. Not a conspiracy theory. They admit it openly. All this pain and ruin is their success, and their victory. I’m glad you survived. Hope you have some ideas, of how to confront this.

        • fred

          Amen

      • Marbran

        So, you support freeloading? Instead of attacking Rick, why don’t you try to come up with a short, sensible retort as to why people should get perpetual welfare?

        • Krimsen King

          hahaha because that was NOWHERE NEAR what I suggested… instead of viewing criticism as ‘attack’, maybe you should try to understand what I actually said a bit better ;)

      • Sheldon Cooper

        Parasites is a more accurate description.

        • Krimsen King

          cute…. yes, your fellow human beings are parasites…. but you’re not……… hahahahaha

    • Yo Mamma

      Good for you. But statistics show, that most do not. And even tho you’re a wunderkind, most are just average

      Don’t make others look bad, just because you look good

      Based on your posts ???rick??? you’re a white boy, christian and very confused with lots of anger and hatred towards everyone

      Based on your own words, you may have moved out of the ‘hood’ trailer-park red necckers, but the hood has never left you

      No African will put so much energy into a Glenn Beck website

      Rick admits he is white. just another poor white. not a black or latino. just a white poor boy

      • Doug

        What does white, black, brown, christian or anything else have to do with poverty?

        Are you saying white christians are the only people that can make it out of poverty? If that were the case, they wouldn’t even live in poverty so there would be no need to get out of poverty.

        How do you explain all of the black people that have made it out of poverty and are successful? How do you explain all of the brown, yellow, purple or any other color that have made it out of poverty?

        Those who live in poverty have made choices in their lives that keep them in poverty.

        Those that have escaped the grasp of poverty did so because they made choices that pulled them out of poverty.

        I am so done with the race and color being played. You CHOOSE to be a victim or you CHOOSE not to be a victim.

        You may not CHOOSE to live in poverty, but you sure CHOOSE to do nothing to get out…

        Oh by the way – I am not white – I immigrated here to this wonderful country 5 years ago with no money, knowing no english and no where to live. I CHOSE to believe in and take advantage of the opportunity that this country offers. I learned the language and worked two jobs while going to school on the library computer.

        I lived out of a rented room that I paid for so I could save money instead of getting a home of my own.

        I never received money from government. I worked hard and now have a great job and new house.

        • Yo Mamma

          What does white, black, brown, christian or anything else have to do with poverty?

          You can’t be serious.

          I repeat for those that cannot comprehend……..

          Good for you. But statistics show, that most do not. And even tho you’re a wunderkind, most are just average
          Don’t make others look bad, just because you look good

          Some people have higher energy levels than others

          It takes a village

          In the christian world, the village doesn’t exist. Only the rich exist.

          Now I want you to do an experiment for me. Go to Ferguson and stand with the other blacks that look just like you. Don’t make trouble. See how the police react to your and if you success makes a difference. Be prepared for a shock

          • queenslaby

            by “not having higher energy level” do you mean lazy? ever heard the phrase “if it walks like a duck, it IS a duck?” hence: if you act like a thug you are a thug. the case in Ferguson is prime example. I know certain people don’t want to “drag” in the prior behavior of the kid that got shot, but had he not roughed up an innocent store owner,then walk with his “authority” down the middle of a street, his day wouldn’t have ended up like it did. “you reap what you sew”

          • Yo Mamma

            I compare the average african with the average catholic anglo.

            2 very different energy levels

            If there is a war – anglo is there

            IF there is a time for a nap – African is there

            Simple stuff really

          • zemla

            Tehehe, you are terrible sometimes

        • Rick

          Thank you! That’s what I’m talking about!

    • Malcolm Thomas

      That’s right, you made it out of the hood, and in order for you to thouroughly enjoy those accomplishments, everyone else must be freeloaders. I never understood the argument that Obama’s policies are not creating an environment for job growth, and at the same time, people are poor, because they are lazy freeloaders.

      • Rick

        That’s correct! Both are true! Obama doesn’t create enough opportunity, AND there are too many lazy that are waiting for someone else to do something for them! But Why not create your own opportunity? It’s the same as the hustle, except legal and good for the community, perhaps a service or a product that people need. My point is mainly that the government is curbing poor people’s ability to succeed, and to have the confidence to succeed! I had no choice, I had to make some kinda money, if I want ed to eat! So I promised myself I’d NEVER be dependent on that 1st of the month BS! I’m not putting down everyone on assistance, I’ve said that up thread! Only the able-bodied people that have no reason to NOT be working!

  • BlueMN

    More let-them-eat-cake nonsense from the GBS, I guess Beck and his little minions are OK with class warfare as long as they are firing the shots?

    “Two-thirds of people living in poverty work an average of 1.7 jobs; 83% of children from low-income families have at least one employed parent; and close to 60% of children have at least one parent who works full-time and year-round. According to the Economic Policy Institute, poor working adults spend more hours working each week than their wealthier counterparts.”

    • CRITTERCOLLECTOR

      Get an education and get a job then. My taxes should not have to go to support people who just don’t want to work.

      • BlueMN

        Education costs money, which is unaffordable if they have to work 2 jobs to get by and you don’t want to pay for education either. This is partly why Teabaggers need to be kept as far away from political power as possible.

    • tinwhistler

      The elephant in the room is “children”. Low-income families should not have children they cannot afford – it is not fair to the children to grow up in poverty or to taxpayers that have to pay for them.

      • Randy

        lots of low income families don’t intend to have children. They just can’t afford contraceptives, and they’re surely not going to abstain.

        • tinwhistler

          They can go to the clinic and get clipped for $350. Planned Parenthood can help direct them to a free or affordable solution – even Medicaid may help.

          I grew up in a Detroit slum and poverty was created mostly by very bad choices. We could solve the poor problem in a generation, if people took responsibility and got clipped. I did it and it was no big deal after a few days.

      • BlueMN

        Dana Loesch’s mother apparently had a child she could not afford and Dana Loesch had to drop out of community college after she got knocked up. Tell her she and her child should never have been born.

    • John

      Children in low income families, meaning choice to have a child when you are struggling to support yourself.

      Working more hours doesnt mean you are working smart, nor does it mean you are making the right choices. I worked full time and went to school part time at night, I could have worked 20 more hours a week and made $10 an hour, but long term who does that help, not me. These stats mean nothing unless you dig deeper into the decision making over the course of each participants life, which is impossible.

      • BlueMN

        “Children in low income families, meaning choice to have a child when you are struggling to support yourself.” Or a divorce or abusive situation, etc.

        “I could have worked 20 more hours a week and made $10 an hour, but long term who does that help, not me.” Exactly, it’s not laziness like Loesch implied.

    • soybomb315

      The wealth of america has been stolen by central banking and the globalists to be squandered on war and weapons.

  • CRITTERCOLLECTOR

    Hear!! hear!!! Dana!!!! My Mom also worked 3 jobs when my father left her with 4 children. She did sign up for food stamps, but only used them once, and was so embarrassed, that she never used them again. We ate peanut butter sandwiches quite often, and all of us worked on tobacco when we turned 14, so that we could buy our own school clothes. NONE of us are in poverty now, including my Mother. We all worked hard, and made hard choices to pull ourselves out of poverty, and we don’t blame anybody else for why we were poor. I am sick and tired of the excuses, when I see how hard my mother worked….doing jobs Americans supposedly won’t do.

  • tinwhistler

    If the federal government got completely out of welfare, unemployment, healthcare, retirement, and social engineering, the states would pick up the slack much more efficiently. This is a case of where act locally, makes the most sense.

    • Doug

      Take it away from ALL government. Let non-profits handle it. People would be more willing to help non-profits if they weren’t already paying so much in taxes to support the people that have no desire to work.

  • Wheyn Herndon

    Not all of us are that lucky to have family watch our kid(s). My wife and me both work part time jobs because that is all we can find in our area, no one wants to pay more. She grew up in a city someplace with public transportation. We live in the country, walmart is 20-25 minutes away drive. Some on here would say move, yea ok with what money? Hire a baby sitter? Your nuts, now days you have to pay them like 12 dollars an hour! Yea no.. Get family to watch your lilttle one.. I’ll repeat we have none… So no poverty is not a choice for some. We struggle even with assistance because there are no jobs. Best thing is she talks about how it was a choice, look how old that woman is!!! Back in the time she was growing up, things were a lot different then it is now. So lady STFU, your in your god damn forties, alot has changed between the time you were born then now, POVERTY is NOT a CHOICE!!!

    • brucesat

      Everyone here needs to read what you wrote and really understand it. Things have certainly changed and many of the people pontificating have no idea how people have to struggle with the new realities, post globalization. Thanks for sharing.

    • Doug

      I agree that nobody chooses to live in poverty. But I believe people that live in poverty do so because of the CHOICES that they have made. Each day you have a CHOICE to do something to move away from poverty or remain a victim of circumstance.

      Please explain how you can have two people that have been born and raised in the same neighborhood under the same circumstances and of the same color, yet one goes on to be a successful entrepreneur while the other remains a victim of the system of our horrible class warfare country?

      We live in a country that offers more opportunity than anywhere else in the world. The people that CHOOSE to take advantage of the opportunity tend to do well. While those that CHOOSE to take advantage of the welfare system remain victims of that system.

      Success is not easy. Success involves sacrifice and hard work. It takes discipline and patience.

      Everyday we wake up we are one decision away from poverty or success. If your choice is to continue receiving your government assistance instead of mowing somebodies grass or maybe painting their fence or house for a little extra money to stick away, then you will remain in your situation.

      I feel bad for those that have been struck by a tragedy and find themselves in a financial hole. I have been there done that.

      I DO NOT feel bad for those that do nothing but rely on the government to take care of them when they are perfectly capable of finding a way out.

      • brucesat

        “Please explain how you can have two people that have been born and raised in the same neighborhood under the same circumstances and of the same color, yet one goes on to be a successful entrepreneur while the other remains a victim of the system of our horrible class warfare country?”

        Pretty easily actually. Most of it comes down to what kind of support systems are available, family, friends, church etc. What kinds of opportunities come around. Can a person take advantage of those opportunities when they come around. Are they healthy. Do they have to take care of others as well?

        To reduce it all down to choices is too simple. Exceptions do not disprove the rule. Do the vast majority of people born into poverty, who live in impoverish areas stay poor? Yes. Someone always wins the lottery, that does not show that everyone will eventually win, does it?

    • soybomb315

      I hear you. If you are doing everything you can and not getting by – i hope you can move somewhere better for your family – although the jump is not easy

  • Doug

    Black, brown, white, it really doesn’t matter. We all have the same opportunity to pull ourselves up and get out of poverty. I too, am tired of the race rhetoric. Poverty and Successes are equal opportunity.

    How is it somebody can come to this country with little to no money and within a few years have a good life? It’s called hard work. It’s called taking whatever job you can get and saving money and then getting a better job and saving money and then getting a better job.

    The question is, what are you willing to do to pull yourself out of poverty?

    I hire sales reps for various companies. I cannot even begin to count how many people have asked me if the job would interfere with their food stamps or welfare check.

    As soon as I say yes, they are gone. They would rather collect the assistance over going out and working with an opportunity to make $100 – $200 a day doing sales…

    Again, race and color have little to do with this. It has everything to do with the government handing out benefits and allowing people to continue collecting these benefits.

    Between the handouts from our government and the state lotteries, our country’s poverty level will only continue to get worse…

    • Yo Mamma

      How much do you get paid to write this stuff? Who is paying you? Your goal is to make it sound like the poor shouldn’t rise up, because its really their fault, not the fault of the 1% white man christian employer for paying a NON_LIVEABLE wage

      You’ll have to get a tad more creative to stop the tsunami heading your way

  • highpriestess

    my mother had 7 children and worked her whole life, all of her children are professionals, they worked too, they went to school and became doctors and lawyers after spending a childhood in poverty….real poverty, some nights we didn’t eat! the roof over our head leaked and we had pots all around to catch the water, there were animals in the walls, wild animals, and it was roach infested…none of us chose to grow up that way, but we knew what we didn’t want as adults…thats the key!

  • CORMAC___NJ

    And here we see why conservatives are destined to forever fail. Because no matter HOW much damage Obama does to the economy, no matter HOW much it hurts people, conservatives can always be counted on to see only the bright side of everything.

    They will always say, at the end of the day, that Obama is a good man who cares about his country. They will always say that there is endless opportunity for those who try. And they will always blame the poor for their poverty.

  • Bat Masterson

    I can still hear Reagan,H.W,and their banker buddirs laughing at us.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Useful Tea Party Idiots
    “A mentally challenged citizen who believes he has a political opinion. He adopts prejudices and platitudes from some filthy rich, anti-social demagogues and believes that FoxNews is sent by god. As a reward, the tea party master puppeteers destroy the health care system, the educational system and the country in general, later they create a new caste-based society”
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=KbD8U-6FCujUiwLg24CIBg&url=http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3DUseful%2520tea%2520party%2520idiot&cd=4&ved=0CCYQFjAD&usg=AFQjCNHNUGiICvgUDXa1__mGc4kgFQJ3Iw&sig2=M5PNXkgjMJoEi4q1R8P9uw

    • R.J. Brownlee

      Dude, I don’t know what you’ve been smoking but please share. I say this in earnest because you have posted the biggest script for a SciFi movie that I have ever seen. Reagan built an economy that roared for over two decades. It took Slick Willy to tear it down. Yes the second God of the democrats tore down the economy. The Market crashed just days before W. Bush took office. In his eight years having to deal with the bad economy and the attack on native soil. The economy was on the rise again, not back but rising. Then when the Black savior came into the picture the county has gone to crap. Close to the depression of the 30’s. Obama is the cause of the healthcare system debokal. You know Obamacare! As for the educational collapse, you can thank Obama’s pet monkey Mooshell. The kids refuse to eat that garbage and I don’t blame them. And now this Common Core BS that the teachers don’t even approve of, And the teachers union supports the democrats. Now what has the Tea Party done bad for our country, nothing.

      • Bat Masterson

        Reaganomics is destroying America. We need to wake up to it. Read Rick Perlstein’s new book.

  • brucesat

    Is it possible for this woman’s story to be totally true but still not prove the point she is making? Is it possible that her family was able to escape poverty but that that outcome does not prove that poverty is a choice?

    To answer those questions let’s ask a few others. One, what would happen if there were more than enough jobs for everyone -and- what happens when there are more job seekers than there are jobs? Two, what would happen if we gave everyone in this country a million dollars?

    The answers to the above questions illustrate how poverty is built into our economic structure. Our monetary system is designed to incorporate unemployment, wage deflation, and poverty as key components. Without unemployment and without a deliberate shortage of money we would see inflation. Our state, through the federal reserve banking system manages the availability of money and by proxy, the employment rate.

    Beyond that we have to recognize that things like unemployment, illness, accidents, etc.. are beyond the control of anyone. Those with money can weather these changes, those without usually end up back in poverty. Those with assets can also use those assets to stay out of poverty as well. And this is where we see that structural racism as it has been practiced in America plays an important role, as some communities have been historically denied access to financial assets that would allow them to escape poverty and more importantly, stay out of poverty.

    So we can’t discount that people CAN escape poverty, but that does not prove that poverty is a choice. Poverty and unemployment are structural, so will be with us as long as we decide to stick with the current economic system. Realizing this, some of use think that support structures should be there for people so that those who are disadvantaged by the system do not have to suffer. We can and should have a discussion about what those support structures should look like without having to subscribe to the myth that poverty is a choice and that people who end up in poverty are there because of laziness or moral deficiencies.

    • soybomb315

      oh how i wish people were reading your post instead of the fluff article above.

  • Pachy Serrano

    We should challenge Dana to do the same her mother did for 30-days and see . . .
    Cost of living now and cost of services now are not the same as in 1970s. Whoever don’t see that don’t know anything about history and economics. But, I do support Dana on one thing . . . Welfare won’t lift your spirit. Love, respect, and hard-work do.

  • Pachy Serrano

    She also forget to mention that Mr. Ryan’s plan will cut to the poor and give more to the wealthy. Its there . . . . just read it. We did that during GWB and look how we ended up . . . with the worse economic recession of our lifetime. Next?

  • Pat

    All one has to do is look at Dr. Ben Carson, and his story is multiplied over and over with others. His mother worked to support her family and never took government aid of any sort. She required her children to study, not allowing much TV, and expecting them to succeed and succeed they did!!

  • Soylent Green

    I am a retired state social worker. Saw lots of people quit their jobs over the years when their paycheck made them ineligible for welfare.

  • http://www.mrchrisg.com/ mrchrisg.com

    I don’t mind welfare programs if they are temporary, not a way of life.

  • Jason Lewis

    Try playing this to the average lib and will roll their eyes.

    • BlueMN

      True. It’s my usual reaction to hearing a load of BS.

  • Timothy Wenners

    So your mom slept with a man who wasn’t father material, which ended up making you grow up poor.

    Sorry babes.. That’s called “poor choices”

    • Melinda

      I was married. We decided to have a child. And when our daughter came, along with responsibility of her… he beat feet. It is NOT always the mothers fault. Takes two to tango does it not? Now I’m doing BOTH jobs (mom and dad)because a “man” won’t own responsibility. Not all struggling single parents out there chose to struggle. I certainly didn’t. However the well being of our child rests just on me, WHY? Because of a choice that someone else made for me! Here is this … more evidence on blaming others and not taking ownership. Let me tell you that people, man or woman are not built to do both jobs. We can, at the sacrifice of something. AND it is usually time that should be with our kids. What ever happened to being proud of your kids? You know what my ex-husband does? Visits every once in a while and takes credit on how well behaved and smart our daughter is! He is a glorified babysitter. Selfishly going through life and mooching off of people. I see it everywhere. So kindly… keep your foul inaccurate opinion to yourself!

      • Kurt Van Luven

        I congratulate you on doing a good job with your kid there are good men out here but keep on trucking you’ll do OK

      • Timothy Wenners

        Again… When he asked you out, and you eventually married him.. These were CHOICES.

        Choices you made!

        Women, by in large, decide who do procreate with. The value system of the man YOU CHOSE, was poor.

        There’s a reason single mothers are everywhere. It’s because the decision making process of women is to sleep with man now, and not worry about if he is fit to be a dad.

        Bad boys behave badly. Welcome to reality.

  • Bat Masterson

    “The American fascists are most easily recognized by their deliberate perversion of truth and fact. Their newspapers and propaganda carefully cultivate every fissure of disunity, every crack in the common front against fascism. They use every opportunity to impugn democracy. They use isolationism as a slogan to conceal their own selfish imperialism. They cultivate hate and distrust of both Britain and Russia. They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective toward which all their deceit is directed is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection “- See more at: http://republicandirtytricks.com/henry-a-wallaces-warning-of-american-fascism/#sthash.cyhQne1G.dpuf

  • $5474103

    Dana: “My mother didn’t chose poverty.”

    The very next sentence…

    Dana: “You cannot tell me that poverty is forced upon people, that’s a lie.”

    Umm…is Dana mentally challenged? Does she not know what the definition of “choice” is?

  • rsuca

    Consumption tax, THE FAIR TAX. No corporate taxes, keep all of your paycheck and many more benefits. Check out fairtax.org.

  • Paul_Xavier

    Things are a lot worse now. The cost of living is steadily increasing. No one ever talks about the cost of living anymore. The economy is good when the stock market is good. The time period Dana is talking about here was different. In the 80’s and 90’s a full time job in a factory, was a pretty good living, for a one income family. Today around here it gets you an old slum house, and welfare supplies more than a full time job does. The cost of living going up is by design not accident. There are all sorts of little punitive laws, and economical practices that drive it up. Yes people have opportunity to get better jobs, but someone has to do these jobs. The sign of a good economy is one where a 40 hour a week job, with standard pay can support a family and then some. So poverty is not always a choice. The proof of a good economy is just that. To make standard pay for hard work substantial, without being extortion to a business. If someone working hard can still only afford to live in a s#!t hole, then only technical skilled people and higher educated can get by. If you want to talk about having an economy like we once had the fact that standard labor was liveable, is what defined it. There are also traps built into the welfare system. It punishes people for getting another source of income. If your new source is not enough to provide for you completely, you will be seriously cut short on your aid. It punishes people for finding work, and it rewards them for becoming unemployed again. If this trap is what Paul Ryan is taking out then I’m all for it. What is he doing?