Tomi Lahren, host of Tomi on TheBlaze TV, revealed Friday as a guest on The View that she is a pro-choice conservative, which seems to contradict her stance from less than a year ago. While some may find her newly-stated beliefs at odds with conservatism, the real controversy surrounded her comment that pro-life conservatives, who believe in limited government, are hypocritical for believing the government should intervene in a women’s issue like abortion. The response was visceral from both the left and right.

Glenn talked about the “dustup” on radio Monday to clear up his beliefs as a pro-life conservative — and address Tomi’s future with TheBlaze.


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GLENN: Hello, America, there are two things to discuss on this Tomi Lahren dustup on The View and one of them is her employment at the blaze. The other is the constitutionality or the constitutional argument for conservatives on pro-life, and let’s start there.

First of all, we have a whole bunch of different kinds of people that work here. We started The Blaze with a show called the real news, real news was absolutely fantastic. And it was hosted by Amy Holmes who was openly pro-choice. So if you’re pro-choice, you can have a job at the blaze.

I don’t hire people who are sycophants or don’t have my opinion. I try to hire people who have a different opinion because I believe in being intellectually rigorous. I don’t want strawmen. I want people to have a real argument on the other side so we can learn from each other, and we can grow.

So let’s learn from each other and grow, shall we? What is the constitutional argument for conservatives on life? A lot of people will think that this is a new argument. That founders never — they never discussed this, you know? Abortion is a new idea. And if it’s not abortion, women’s rights is a new idea. Well, I want you to put women’s rights into context here. Women’s rights are important, however, they’re not the only thing to consider when another person’s life is at stake. We have to — we have to consider the other person’s life when it is at stake.

The founders were really, really clear. The preamble of the constitution clearly states to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.
Well, who are our posterity, if not our unborn children and grandchildren and great grandchildren. Our descendants and future generation, that’s who the constitution is securing the blessings of liberty for. Not just us.

The founders wrote endlessly about things that they wanted to change about British common law. Comparatively, they didn’t talk about abortion often, but they did talk about it. And that’s because abortion was already illegal under British common law. The context of the comments made in the era shows this really clearly. James Wilson, one of the only six people who signed both the decoration and the constitution, he was also an original judge on the Supreme Court. He said, and I quote, “Human life from its commencement to its close is protected by common law. Life begins when the infant is first able to stir in the womb.”

In other words, as soon as people knew they were pregnant, you couldn’t do anything. As soon as you knew. When it stirred in the womb.

PAT: And that’s when they knew back then.

GLENN: And that’s when they knew. We know almost instantly now. Signer of the decoration of independence, John Witherspoon said quote some nations have given parents the power of life and death over their children. But here in America, we have denied the power of life and death to parents, end quote.

State law Virginia at the time of Jefferson and Madison laid it out pretty well.

“But if a woman be a child and gives her a possession to destroy the child within her, this is murder. For it was not given to her to cure a disease but unlawfully to destroy the child within her.”

So I would disagree that you’re a hypocrite if you want limited government and yet you want the government to protect life of the unborn. It’s very, very clear. But it takes intellectual honesty, and it takes a willingness to actually think these things through and to do more than just read Twitter or Facebook to get your news and your political opinions. You actually have to study things — these things out in your mind. Especially at a time period like today. Bomb throwing is — bomb throwing in today’s world is dangerous. Freedom of speech, it’s not free. Speech isn’t free. It comes with a very high price tag. First, being intellectually honest and intellectually curious. Speech is not free. It comes with another cost and usually to the other people at the other end of your argument. The pen is mightier than the sword, and it can destroy people if your aim is clicks, views, and ratings.

For Tomi, this seems to be a relatively recent change. There was a clip done bait Reagan brigade, listen to this. This is the descender of last year.

>> That’s how straight up baby killers by acknowledging abortion is not a positive thing and a difficult choice. Then we have Lena freaking Dunham out there wishing she could have murdered a fetus, wishing for the option to kill your child doesn’t actually say much about the cause, her character, or the pro-choice movement.

>> No, I’m pro-choice, and here’s why. Someone that loves the constitution, I am someone that’s for limited government, so I can’t sit here and be a hypocrite and say I’m for limited government but say what women’s can’t do with their bodies. I’m for limited government so stay out of my guns, and you can stay out of my body as well.

GLENN: She did a bit last year written by Stu. Is this for the wonderful world of Stu?

STU: Yes. Yeah. It was called mommy’s choice.

PAT: That was mocking a progressive video that came out where the women were saying “I choose. I choose. I choose to do with my body what I will.” This is somewhat mocking that.

GLENN: You asked Tomi to make the opposite point and make it pretty harshly. Here it is. You have it?

PAT: Yeah. It’s not just Tomi. It’s several women but Tomi’s among them.

>> I.
>> I.
>> I am.
>> I am.
>> I am a woman.
>> And I have a choice.
>> A choice.
>> A choice to work.
>> A choice to achieve.
>> A choice to succeed.
>> A choice to fly.
>> To fly.
>> To fly.
>> A choice to be anything.
>> A choice to be anything that I want to be.
>> I.
>> I.
>> I am.
>> I.
>> I.
>> I’m a woman.
>> And I have a choice.
>> I have a choice.
>> To be a mother.
>> I have a choice when it’s the morning after.
>> I have a choice at one month.
>> I have a choice at three months.
>> I have a choice in the second trimester.
>> I have a choice three seconds before birth. Or three seconds after birth.
>> I have a choice the first year when they can’t sleep through the night.
>> When they can’t sleep through the night.
>> I definitely have a choice during the terrible twos.
>> I have a choice when I get sick of Little League and soccer practice.
>> I have a choice.
>> I have a choice when they hit those awkward teen years.
>> I have a choice when they go off to college.
>> I have a choice on their wedding day.
>> Their wedding day.
>> I have two choices when I become a grandmother.
>> I’m a mother.
>> And every more has a right to choose their child’s expiration date.
>> No mother.
>> No mother should have to unwillingly.
>> Suffer.
>> Suffer.
>> Suffer through a day where their child is alive.
>> Not one single day.
>> If I want them gone, they’re gone.
>> They’re gone.
>> It’s all about women.
>> It’s all about choice.
>> Choice.
>> Choice.
>> It’s all about me.
>> Me.
>> Me.
>> Me.
>> Me, me, me.
>> Me, me, me.
>> Me, me, me.
>> Join the movement.
>> Join the movement.
>> Join the movement.
>> Hashtag.
>> #mommyschoice.

PAT: And that’s especially funny when you know the style of the liberal spot.

GLENN: The problem here is with all of society, too much is about me, me, me, me, me. The Blaze cannot be about me, me, me, me, me. Media should not be about me, me, me, me.

It’s no secret Tomi and I don’t agree on quite a lot. But that is about personalities, the ideas are what are important. And if you cannot defend the idea, no matter which side you’re on, if you can’t defend the idea, that leads to the second part of the discussion. Which is the people calling for Tomi to be fired.

That’s not for you to call. That’s not appropriate to be discussed on the radio.
That’s in the privacy of the office of The Blaze.

The thing I wanted to do today is defend life. Because instead of being about people or events, I want it to be about ideas.