Not knowing where your child is would be a horrifying nightmare to most parents – but what happens when your child is essentially kidnapped by the state?
TheBlaze listeners called in to share their stories about child protective services after Georgia dad Sean Harris joined the show on Friday. Harris went to pick up his daughter from her normal after-school care, only to find that Georgia’s Division of Family and Children Services workers had taken her to another county for questioning because they mistook her for another child.
“This isn’t the first time this has happened, and it’s not going to be the last time,” Glenn Beck said on Friday’s “The Glenn Beck Radio Program.”
Glenn pointed out that the state not only took someone’s child without permission, but also may have put another little girl in danger because she was the one who was supposed to be with DFCS.
“This child who is possibly in an abusive [situation] is in trouble,” he said.
Caller Brian in Georgia, who described himself as a certified officer with a state department, shared a terrifying story about incompetent DFCS workers not intervening with an abusive parent who would leave her child to go shoot up heroin. In the case of Harris and his daughter, Brian said the DFCS officer who took the wrong child should be arrested on charges of kidnapping.
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This is a rush transcript and may contain errors.
GLENN: We’re glad you’re here. There’s a story of — a story of this horrible situation in Georgia, just a suburb of Atlanta, where a dad goes to pick up his 7-year-old daughter from school. She’s not in the after-school program. She — in fact, they check in and go, wow, no. She wasn’t even on the bus coming here. They call the school. The school gives them the runaround. Dad immediately knows, “Okay. Something really bad is happening.”
He calls 911. Gets into the car. Can’t even imagine being him, driving to the school. He gets to the school. They’re still giving him the runaround. The police show up, takes them 20 minutes before the school finally says, “Okay. She was taken by the state.” What do you mean she was taken by the state?
She was taken by — I don’t remember what they called it there. But it’s basically the Department of Children and Family Services. DFCS, I think they call it. And she’s returned later in the afternoon. The daughter is freaked, as you can imagine.
This isn’t the first time this has happened. And it’s not going to be the last time. And DFCS in Georgia hasn’t even called the dad back. The attitude when he called was, “Look, you got your daughter back. Everything is fine.” I have to tell you, I am not a — a violent man by any stretch of the imagination. You’ve kidnapped my child and took them into another county. I — I don’t care who the hell you are.
As a protective animal, I would have had a hard time with restraint. I would have had a really hard time.
STU: Several stories like that lately. I have no idea how Charlie Gard’s parents made it through that.
GLENN: I don’t either. I don’t either.
STU: I have no freaking idea. And I don’t know what it ends in. Because it might just be complete self-destruction. You’re at that point — I would completely break down every ten seconds. And all you would want to do is beat the crap out of everybody. In this sort of situation, you would. You shouldn’t obviously.
GLENN: It’s your child.
STU: Yeah, but it’s your instinct.
GLENN: You have to remember, the reason why the Constitution and the Bill of Rights is so valid is because the Second Amendment is not really talking about guns. I mean, it is. But it’s more than that. It is the right to defend yourself and your family. That is a natural right. That is — that right is in every animal. Go up and pet the pretty little kitties. They’re lions. And mom will rip you to shreds. And dad will feast on you. It’s a natural right to protect your children.
And the state expects you just to say, “Oh, okay. Well, you did what I would — and so would everyone in the country, deem kidnapping.” And I’m supposed to take it? No way.
STU: You know, he obviously handled it a hell of a lot better than we’re talking about handling it.
GLENN: Oh, my gosh.
STU: But the other thing is, I don’t know that I could trust bringing my kid back to that school.
GLENN: Never. Never. Never.
STU: They didn’t even alert me.
STU: They wouldn’t even tell me the truth once I got there.
GLENN: But they will tell you, if he was — if that child was in danger because dad was, you know, an abuser, you can’t.
GLENN: Because then what happens? Then she goes home and Dad says, “What did you tell them?” And beats her.
Well, there’s a couple of ways you can deal with this. And one of them is don’t take the children off school premises.
GLENN: I’ve dropped my child off to that school. You don’t have a right to leave that school. You will screw my child up.
They’re called into the principal’s office. That happens. They’re called into this office. They come into the principal’s office. And in the principal’s office, there’s another door that leads to the secret room where the secret police are from the state, and they question them there.
That’s even better than taking them, not only off school property, but then taking them across county lines.
STU: It’s incomprehensible.
GLENN: Oh, my gosh, it’s crazy.
STU: I wonder what — do we have any idea what happened to the actual kid that was supposed to be taken?
GLENN: No, and we shouldn’t. I mean, this just happened. But, you know, God forbid, now this story is out. Now if that dad is an abuser, this child who is possibly in an abusive — is in trouble.
STU: Real danger.
GLENN: Real danger.
STU: That’s terrifying.
GLENN: And, you know what, take it. Take it. Because the state, they’re doing this for your good. They’re doing this for your protection. If they can just help one child, it’s all worth it. So you’ll just take it. I hope this family has the biggest badass mad dog attorney that they can possibly find.
Brian in Georgia. You’re an officer, police officer, or one with DFCS?
CALLER: No, I’m a — I’m a state certified officer. I’m not going to say with which department, or I might get in trouble.
GLENN: Okay. All right. Okay.
CALLER: But, yes, I hope they do have a great lawyer. I had to call you when I heard about this. Because the number of times we run into DFCS and the horror stories I could fill your head with, you wouldn’t sleep at night. You wouldn’t, Glenn.
I’ve had to call them out at 3:00 in the morning for a child wandering the streets. We can’t find mom because she went to go get high. And mom shows back up an hour later. And DFCS is like, “Well, mom is there. So we’re not going to come out. We’ll deal with it Monday.” But this is Friday night.
What happens to this child in the meantime? Mom is here. She knows what’s going on. And then I’ve had to stop DFCS workers who did almost the same thing here, where they call us because of a disorderly parent. Well, you have the wrong child. And in this case, I would have arrested this DFCS worker for kidnapping. It fits every statute in the book for it.
GLENN: Really? Really? Thank you. Thank you.
CALLER: I would have.
I would have. Because — especially if the father was upset. Hey, look, what do you want me to do? I’m at your service here. DFCS clearly screwed up. 90 percent of the workers we run into don’t give a flying hoot about doing anything really. They want to do their paycheck. They have to do their follow-up reports. And once in a while, they’ll do something great. And I’m sure there are some DFCS workers out there who are great, but I haven’t run into them.
GLENN: Wow, Brian —
CALLER: DFCS is completely screwed up.
GLENN: — you know, I tell you, you’ve just restored my hope in humanity by saying that you would have arrested this person for kidnapping. Because that’s exactly what it is. Exactly what it is. Except the state did it.
CALLER: Yeah, that doesn’t matter.
GLENN: So what should people do?
CALLER: The government is held to the same laws we are.
GLENN: Yeah, they don’t think so.
Brian, so what should the average person do?
CALLER: Other than taking safeguards and making sure you keep track of your kids and calling. And calling us and hoping an officer will do something shows up. And, of course, this mad dog attorney, I hope they have Johnny Cochran or somebody.
GLENN: Thank you so much, Brian. I appreciate it.
STU: He would do a terrible job today. He would not be able to handle that case.
GLENN: Yeah. Is it too soon? Is it too soon?
PAT: No. It’s been almost 20 years, hasn’t it?