Guilty: Liberal "Victims" and Their Assault on America by Ann Coulter
GLENN: From Radio City in Midtown Manhattan, this is the third most listened to show in all of America. Hello, you sick twisted freak. Welcome to the program. I’m glad you’re here. Coming up, I’ve just got to share what’s on Page A-7 of the New York Times, a half-page ad for Al-Jazeera, getting to the heart of the story. I can’t decide. Have things gotten that bad for the New York Times that they have to take Al-Jazeera ads, or is this just business as usual? I’m afraid to know the answer to that because I think I know what it is. But first we go to Ann Coulter who I guess just, you know, treated me a little like, you know, the Today Show. How are you, Ann?
COULTER: I’m so sorry, Glenn. My only solace was that you had just been on a book tour and you know sometimes things are out of your hands. I’m so sorry.
GLENN: I understand, you know, you didn’t mean it and no big deal. So Ann, tell me the situation with The Today Show. You were supposed to be on Tuesday, and I’m skeptical on this. You were supposed to be on Tuesday and then they bought you —
COULTER: I was skeptical, too.
GLENN: Tell me what happened.
COULTER: I was supposed to be on Tuesday, you know what it’s like a book coming out, you are not supposed to do anything else. Only in the past few years do they let you go on, for example Hannity and Colmes because that advertises their show the next morning. So — but they definitely are the first morning show, you can’t book Good Morning America or the Early Show or Fox and Friends or anything else before them, and I didn’t really notice until they — and I was going to be both 7:00 hour and their new fourth hour. And I didn’t really notice that much except my friends were saying, wait, what day are you going to be on because all these other friends are listed and you are not mentioned, I TiVoed it and you are not listed on any of the days as the guests. These random gossip columnists were mentioned but not me and then Monday afternoon they cancelled me for both hours, not remembering apparently that they had a show on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday until eight hours later when the Drudge Report called and got Insiders to say, yes, she’s banned for life.
GLENN: Banned for life.
COULTER: Well, that wasn’t my language, Glenn.
GLENN: Right, okay. So —
COULTER: And then they remembered they had a Wednesday show. So now I love them, I love them so much.
GLENN: So let me ask you this: What are the odds that it was — I mean, this is the way it happens? I mean, that it didn’t, that it wasn’t a conspiracy, they weren’t really —
COULTER: There is zero. And moreover in their press release Monday night which is totally hilarious, I imagine it being written by NBC executives, you know, with their explanation it was that they needed to cover the war in Gaza and Ann should understand that, doing a lot of TV, we had to cover the war. And then Tuesday when, God bless them, the blessed Matt Lauer did show up to interview me, he said it was for an — they had to bump me because they were interviewing Tony Blair. So they can’t get straight why it was I needed to be cut. But the gossip columnist wasn’t cut and they did get Rachel Maddow, and I understand, tough to get someone from MSNBC to appear on NBC.
GLENN: All right, now let me ask you this, because I’m not — I mean, NBC is — I mean, let’s just call a spade a spade. It’s GE, and GE is not going to do anything to piss off the liberals in Washington because they stand to make way too much money on wind turbines and, you know, new fancy light bulbs that nobody wants, et cetera, et cetera. And, you know, GE’s going to be standing in line, you know, with their hands out, you know, "We need a bailout" and everything else. I’m not a fan of NBC. But let me play devil’s advocate here. The name of your book is "Victimhood."
COULTER: No. Guilty.
GLENN: I’m sorry, Guilty. But it’s about victimhood and it’s about people saying —
COULTER: That’s why victims is in quotes. It’s about fake victimhood. It’s why they play the victim when they are in fact victims. That’s the point, that the fake victims go around creating real victims.
GLENN: Okay, I’ll go with you on that.
COULTER: But that’s how — I mean, that’s basically, when you read these morality plays or hear about them being told in the mainstream media, you can tell who the real victim is because the real victim is always being portrayed as the oppressor. You know, like the Duke lacrosse players, like millions of unborn babies: Oh, unwanted pregnancy, unwanted pregnancy. Single mothers, single motherhood, there is —
GLENN: You know, hang on just a second. I want to stop you at single motherhood and I want you to explain the victimhood of single mothers because there are mothers out there — well, here. Here’s one. I mean, let’s play it straight. I got a divorce. My wife was a single mom. Her life, you know, wasn’t that sweet. We both decided to do it. It was both of our mistakes, et cetera, et cetera, but she didn’t — you know, she was, you know, struggling at the same time I was struggling as well.
COULTER: Right, right. Well, two things. One is I do distinguish. One thing for widows, I hate how all forms of single motherhood get thrown into the same category. It’s the same thing liberals do when they talk about the GI bill as, you know, a welfare program: They are a successful welfare program. It’s not welfare. Come on. Then they describe the Pentagon as a successful government program. Nobody thinks of the military as a government program. And it’s the same thing with single mothers when they throw in, A, divorcees and, B, widows. For one thing, widows, there’s no evidence they do anything, or widowers, anything different any in life than the children raised in a happy nuclear family. Divorce, okay, that happens. My suggestion is just that instead of venerating, you know, single motherhood that we venerate, for one thing, people who get married in shotgun marriages; for another thing, people who struggle and maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work but try to stay together for the sake of the children; and thirdly, who have illegitimate children and give them up for adoption. And that was one of the most interesting things I found out. Adopted children actually do better than nonadopted children. Probably —
GLENN: Why do you suppose that is?
COULTER: I think it’s because, well, two things. One is the rate of illegitimacies has gone up 300% since 1970. So not all of the children being raised in single parent families is just, "Oh, it had to be this way." When it goes up 300% in that amount of time, there’s something else going on. A lot of those something els I describe in the chapter. But the most horrifying thing is while the illegitimacy rate has gone through the roof, the percentage of children being given up for adoption has gone down from a quarter of outline illegitimate babies to less than 1%. So for one thing the babies that are being given up for adoption tend to be coming from better families, more highly educated where the parents are married. And for another thing, the families they go into tend to be — you know, have better education and be happy nuclear families. You are not giving — you are not allowing that tiny percentage of babies who are allowed to be adopted, they are not going into, you know, crappy, unhappy families.
GLENN: You know, my son is adopted and he was given up by somebody I consider an absolute superhero.
GLENN: A teenage girl who it took everything in her to give him up. She gave him up and we were there at the birth and we didn’t even think that we would get him, you know, because she had the three-day waiting period in Texas and it was very difficult for her. But I tell you, there is a —
COULTER: She is a hero, though.
GLENN: She is, she is.
COULTER: That’s what I’m saying, instead of the baby mamas being venerated, it ought to be women like that who are putting their children in the best possible environment. For all of their opportunities.
GLENN: So what is the — because I haven’t had a chance to read the book yet, Ann. So what is the solution at the end?
COULTER: Well, basically roll back everything liberals have done over the past 30 years. And this has been a plan by liberals, as I point out. This isn’t just, you know, an accident that the ill legitimacy rate has gone up by 300%. I have all these quotes from the great thinkers of the left, Hillary Clinton remember comparing the family to slavery and Barbara Ehrenreich writing for Time magazine and the New York Times attacking the traditional family as dysfunctional, a personal hell, blah, blah, blah. And then you have the courts, and this was really the most despicable thing. In the Seventies the Supreme Court removing what the purpose, in a lot of ways the purpose of marriage is and allowing unwed fathers to go in and disrupt the adoptions of the children that all they did was donate the sperm for. Well, for thousands of years of law, an unwed father would have no rights to a child unless he was married to the mother. And contrarily the mother would have no right to the paycheck of the father unless she was married to the father. That is the point of marriage, to create this warm, you know, nucleus for a child to grow up and develop all the possibilities and this all the opportunities in life. That’s the purpose of marriage. The Supreme Court got rid of that. We had all those hideous cases in the Seventies. Remember the Baby Richard case and Baby Doe where babies had been given up for adoption, they lived with the family for four or five years and then the father comes back and demands his rights on the basis of his sperm. Now there are a billion laws to try to recreate the whole point of marriage. Now most states have some form of paternity registry where if you have sex with a woman and there may have been a child, you have to sign into the registry if you are going to bust up an adoption later, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Millions of stupid laws and more social workers when if we just went back to the law of marriage, none of this would be necessary.
GLENN: You know, you said something a second ago. You said that this has all been designed, all these things have been designed by the liberals, and I separate liberals from progressives. Maybe I’m foolish to do that, but I think progressives are the real spooky group. The progressives have had a plan for a very long time. You go back to Roosevelt and Wilson and you start to see these progressives rear their ugly heads, and they are absolutely control freaks. When you look at what’s happening today, Ann, and you look at what happened yesterday over in France where Germany, France and even Tony Blair said, you know, we need a new kind of capitalism where government has a big role, Merkel said that she wants the UN to have a new security council that would okay the laws governing economics in each country.
COULTER: Oh, no.
GLENN: And then you have Obama and quite honestly many of the Republicans doing the same thing.
GLENN: Coming in and pushing us to a point to where our dollar, I just don’t see a way our dollar is going to be able to handle this. It almost appears as if we are being pushed into a dire situation where somebody can scream "We have got to fix this globally."
GLENN: And we all have — forget about the Constitution, forget about the rights, and we’re still America but we are going to be saved by a global economic plan and a global government.
GLENN: Does that sound crazy?
COULTER: No. I mean, it’s straight out of Saul Alinsky’s handbook who was, you know, mentor directly or indirectly to both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Create a crisis and use the crisis to increase the size of government, to swoop in with government solutions. And unfortunately I mean, both in the case of marriage and in the case of the economy, with marriage it’s just something we’ve lived with so — or have lived with so long, people took it for granted and I mean, I thought I can understand the part for the gays, they are like the last ones, the sexual revolution "Destroy the institution of marriage" window and, you know, we want some help, please. And suddenly, you know, the culture rebels although, you know, we never voted on allowing unwed fathers to have rights to their offspring. And with the economy it’s the same thing. We’re so used to living with the prosperity produced by a free market and free people and entrepreneurs that people aren’t in the habit of remembering how to defend marriage, how to defend the free market. And freedom generally and capitalism. But the idea which you always hear that, you know, Republicans don’t care about the poor and, oh, all these Christian ministers, "Yes, we’re dropping abortion, we’re moving on to caring about the poor." Yes, I care about the poor. That’s why I support capitalism. They are the fewest poor people under capitalist systems. How many times do we have to prove this. I mean, it was only, what, a decade ago — well, I guess it was two decades ago that the Soviet Union collapsed but we have to explain it over and over again.
GLENN: It’s amazing to me what — you know, they talked about Russia this week putting ships back into ports all around the world and rebuilding their Navy. They collapsed under socialism and communism and then opened up and became a free market, recovered, and now they are putting ships in ports as we start to move towards socialism and communism, and we’re collapsing economically. What fixed Russia, what put them in the position to now re-embrace a dictator.
GLENN: Was capitalism.
COULTER: Right, right. Right. Well, we’ll see. I mean, Americans are freedom-loving people and we’ll see how much Democrats and some foolish Democrat-like Republicans can get away with now. As we found out watching the last campaign, you know, McCain, he can’t, he doesn’t believe in the things conservatives believe in. So we can’t express it from the heart. Sarah Palin comes along and you look at the reaction she gets because she speaks directly to the heart of the American people. She understands freedom. Joe the plumber understands freedom. It isn’t selfish, it isn’t self-based as you see in the case of someone like Joe the plumber. But boy, if you speak the truth to the American people, they will understand it.
GLENN: But what they don’t understand now is I think, you know, there’s 70% of America that really agrees on fundamental principles. Common sense.
GLENN: But they are being convinced now that the problems are so massive that only the government can solve it, that these problems are so massive that you don’t really understand the fixes.
GLENN: But the fixes really do come from just boiling it down to the individual again.
GLENN: And using common sense.
COULTER: Yes, and sometimes markets go up and markets go down as I think has been pretty conclusively demonstrated at this point. FDR’s New Deal programs extended the depression.
COULTER: Markets go up, markets go down, you just get through the cycle. But if you have liberals jumping in with big government programs, that’s just going to drag it out longer. What finally overcame both the Depression and the worsening policies of FDR was World War II.
GLENN: The name of the book is "Guilty: Liberal victims and their assault on America." By Ann Coulter. It’s out in bookstores now. Always good to talk to you, Ann. We’ll talk to you again, soon.
COULTER: Great to talk to you, Glenn. Bye.