Glenn talks with Ben Stein about his new documentary, Expelled

GLENN:  Let’s go right to Ben Stein.  Ben, are you still in Hollywood?

STEIN:  I’m in Hollywood in a manner of speaking but I’m at my apartment at the Watergate in Washington, D.C..

GLENN:  How do you survive?  How do you stay sane?  You live in Hollywood and now you are going to Washington?

STEIN:  Well, it’s a reach to assume that I stayed insane.  Insane now, that’s a reach.  I’m not sure I have at all.

GLENN:  So Ben, I want to talk to you about a couple of things.  First let’s start with your movie.

STEIN:  Yes, expelled.

GLENN:  Tell me about it.  Tine stein expelled is a documentary.  I believe it is the most beautifully documentary ever made.  It’s incredibly gorgeous and filled with great music and great visuals and it’s about –

GLENN:  Hang on just a second.  I don’t know when you’re serious and when you’re not.

STEIN:  No, it is.  It’s a very, very expensive documentary as documentaries go.  I think the producer was telling me yesterday that it is possibly the most expensive documentary for its length ever made.

GLENN:  May I ask you a question?

STEIN:  Yes.

GLENN:  You know you’ll never, ever, ever get any kind of recognition or an award for that.

STEIN:  I know.  I don’t care about that but I just want people to know that they are not going to be seeing some trashy looking thing with poor direction quality.  It is a very beautiful documentary and it’s about the struggle between the Darwinist establishment that has a hammer lock on all the educational processes and the people who think that maybe intelligent design, the idea that there was an intelligent creator should get its day in the classroom or its day somewhere, laboratory or somewhere so we can have some idea of whether possibly life at some other origin than nothing.  I mean, we basically say it’s very hard to believe that something came from nothing and that we don’t understand that where gravity came from, we don’t understand where the laws of physics or thermodynamics or fluid motion came from, we don’t understand how life came from a mud puddle when there was one that was mud and the next day there was life and then a few billion years later there was man.  How did that happen?  No Darwinist has ever been able to come close to an explanation.

GLENN:  Is this the kind of thing, because I get this all the time.  In fact, I have it in my own household.  My daughter and I were talking about, you know, this new supercollider and, you know, it’s going to take you to, I think it’s 1 trillionth of a second after the Big Bang and scientists all, oh, look at how great this was, we’re going to find out what it was like a trillionth of a second after the Big Bang.  Well, that’s fantastic.  The real question is, what was it before the Big Bang.

STEIN:  Right, where did this big dust bunny came from that became the Big Bang.  And fine, suppose there was a big dust bunny, became the Big Bang.  Not only that in terms of matter but where did matter come from at all, where did energy come from, where did the laws of physics that provide when something explodes, it goes outward instead of inward, where does that come from, where did all of these organizing principles of the universe come from and we’re saying the Darwinist establishment won’t even let us ask those questions.  Why not.

GLENN:  There’s two sides to this — there’s two things that I would be interested in and let’s see if the film covers it.  And I can’t believe that I haven’t seen this.  I’ve got to get a copy of it.

STEIN:  We will get you — Glenn, I think you’ll have a copy extremely soon.

GLENN:  There’s two things that are interesting to me, Ben, and that would be, one, the — to be able to sit down with my teenage kids and watch this movie and say, this is what you need to prepare for for college.  This, see how this system works so they understand what they’re headed toward so they can prepare for it.

STEIN:  Right.  That’s a very good point.  That’s a very good point.

GLENN:  The other side is these are the kinds of questions that no one will answer that you should be asking of yourself and anyone else that is willing to be honest enough to ask those questions.

STEIN:  I couldn’t agree more.  We should all be asking where did — we should all be asking, one, where did life come from.  Two, is it possible that life is so complex that it could have come from something other than just nothing.  Three, is it conceivably possible that these organizing principles of the universe could have just come up randomly and that gravity and fluid motion and thermodynamics and so forth could have just come up by total random?  It seems farfetched to us but maybe it happened in some way that we don’t understand but it does seem extremely farfetched.

GLENN:  Okay.  So does this film, is this something I sit down with my kids and answer those — will it answer those two?

STEIN:  Well, it won’t answer those questions but what it will tell you is your kids are in deep trouble if they question anything the professor says because the professor can discipline them, send them out of the class, humiliate them, make them feel crummy about themself and the professor, nobody questions the professor.  The professor’s word is law and if your children grow up and want to be scientists and want to be in the classroom and say to the students now the most widely held explanations overwhelmingly about the universe is Darwinian evolution but there are some people who say, well, it’s too complicated for that or Darwinian evolution doesn’t answer many questions and one of the alternative hypotheses is there is an intelligent designer.  That teacher, bam, that guy is out of there so fast.  He’s in big, big — well, not in every case but in most cases and is in terrible, terrible trouble in his career or her career is very likely over.

GLENN:  Have you ever seen anything like this before, Ben?

STEIN:  Well, it’s a little bit reminiscent of a little thing we call global warming.

GLENN:  No, no, no.  I mean — no, no, no.  What I mean is there’s a lot of things that are going on now that you’re just not allowed to question.

STEIN:  Oh, no, there’s a lot of — political correctness is the order of the day.  It extends into many, many areas.  It extends into global warming, it extends into racial issues.  It extends into many, many issues that you’re just not allowed to question at all.

GLENN:  How long before you think — because I think I’ve reached it now.  I think I’m there where I’m like, you know what, I don’t really care.  I don’t care.  Say whatever you want about me.  I’m done.  I’m done trying to navigate so I don’t offend anybody, blah, blah.  I don’t care.  I know what my intention is and I expect the best from you.  You give me the benefit of the doubt and if you’re not, well, then I know who you are.

STEIN:  Well, you are not going to get the benefit of the doubt, I assure you.  You are going to have people saying terrible things about you.  I mean, the things that people send to me on e-mail are just astounding.  It’s just amazing that anyone would have that much meanness in his or her heart to send the kind of things I get.  Just for saying we should have freedom of speech.  I mean, basically the movie basically just says, look, we’re not sure we’re right about intelligent design.  We could very well be wrong.  But just let us have some, possibly some freedom of discussion.  No, you’re not allowed to have that.  You’re not going to agree with what Stalin says or else you’re out.

GLENN:  Yeah.  The web address is http://expelledthemovie.com/.

STEIN:  Right.

GLENN:  This is going to be out on the market?

STEIN:  It will be out on the market the 18th.  It’s opening in over 1200 theatres.  It’s going to be, we hope, a fairly big thing.

GLENN:  Can we — okay.  But you can go buy the DVD and watch it at home or do you have to –

STEIN:  The DVD will be out, I don’t know when, but fairly soon.  But it’s going to be in a theater near you extremely soon and if you go to http://expelledthemovie.com/ you will find a place where you can put in your zip code and it will tell you what theatres it’s at near your zip code.

GLENN:  Can I ask why you decided to do that and not just make it a DVD release?  I mean, to try to get –

STEIN:  Excuse me?  Sorry?

GLENN:  Can you tell me why you decided to release it in the movie theatres instead of just a DVD release?

STEIN:  Because we think we’re going to get a lot of people coming to see it.  We think there are a lot of Americans who are sick of being pushed around, who are sick of being told the only documentaries they get to see are documentaries by Michael Moore saying what a racist pig nasty country this is.  We thought we would like to try to reach people who have a more positive view on the world and of the universe and we think they’re going to come to the movies.  We think so.

GLENN:  We’re going to watch the movie and I’ll be back in touch.  I didn’t know that it was a theoretical release.

STEIN:  Giant theoretical release.

GLENN:  You have hard work getting people to see a documentary.  I want to be able to help you on that.

STEIN:  Well, God bless you.

GLENN:  We’ll talk again as we get closer to the movie.

STEIN:  Okay, thank you, Glenn.  You’re a pal.  Thank you.