GLENN: So I started to put together a pros and cons list but I don’t even think, this isn’t a good — I mean, and this is how I make decisions. My dad taught me this when I was little: Make a pros and cons list. Dad, I don’t want to — "Make a pros and cons list." All right. So I just take a piece of paper and just line it down the center of pros and cons. But I don’t — I mean, I don’t even know what the pros are. I don’t know what the cons are. I mean, you know, I’m the con list. This is the kind of game I play. This is why I need outside help because the kind of game I play I’m like, on the con list he’s old. On the pro list he’s not as old as Senator Byrd. What?

STU: Him being old is not a pro or a con. That is just who he is. It doesn’t —

GLENN: In four years, in four years from now he’s going to be how old? 76?

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: Is he 72?

STU: He’s 71 now.

GLENN: 71, okay, so he’ll be 75, 76. And I’m not saying you can’t be going strong. I just, I figured out why he had his mother on the campaign trail. Because his mom I think is like 150 years old and she’s still going strong and just like, "What? So I was out picking up trucks yesterday. What!" You know, but does anybody remember, you know, Reagan in the last part. He started to get a little dicey there.

STU: I don’t know. Man —

GLENN: I’ll take dicey Reagan anytime, yes, I will. But he’s not Reagan.

STU: But that has nothing to do with his age. It has nothing to do with his age. Reagan, you know, it comes down to what sort of President you’re voting for. Reagan, whether he was old or young, would have been great.

GLENN: Could I just, can I make — may I go through my pros and cons list? Do I go through my pro —

STU: Age in a bad con.

GLENN: Because it’s on both sides.

STU: No, it’s not.

GLENN: Yes, it is.

STU: You could say age and experience is a pro and a con.

GLENN: Fine, whatever. Gee, I was just trying to give an example of how you could balance it out on both sides. Fine, whatever, Stu.

Here’s the actual pros and cons list. On the pros he — and I believe him — says that he will nominate conservative judges. But that’s offset by, do you think he’s going to have a chance of nominating a conservative judge and get it through the Senate? No. Not even. They’re going to control the Senate, the Republicans won’t even be able to filibuster. Nothing. There’s nothing stopping this freight train to hell. So again, judges, pros and cons. He’s going to nominate. But then he won’t get that guy through. So he will have to compromise and get somebody that’s, well, they’re not really conservative. And we’ll end up with, you know, some clown.

STU: Right. But that’s in any Republican President right now. I don’t think that’s a legitimate con. That’s a pro.


GLENN: He’s consistently pro life. But I mean, does anybody think that we’re going to, really, are we going to overturn Roe versus Wade? I don’t see that as a campaign issue, you know? Maybe, you can tie that — that becomes the judge issue. That becomes the judge issue. He’s consistently pro Second Amendment. Amen to that. That one is a huge one for me. The Second Amendment — you know what? I have to tell you this. I became a member of the NRA, a lifetime member, what, a year, year and a half ago? And I have to tell you, I don’t think I’ve told you this yet. The NRA has had the opportunity to pull me aside several times. I’ve been — you know, I’ve been with Wayne La Pierre and Chris Cox and all the people from the NRA, board members. You know, I’ve been in private conversations, I’ve been in, you know, smoke-filled rooms. It had all of these — and not once have I heard the NRA say anything even close to, "We’re really going to get those Democrats this time." Not even close. This organization, I have to tell you, is really truly about the Second Amendment. They don’t care if it’s a Republican or a Democrat. They really don’t care. Whoever is going to protect the Second Amendment. I think this is one of the only organizations that I have seen that understands parties change all the time. It’s about the issue, not the party. And I don’t care about who’s getting in power, whatever, it’s the issue.

You know, I’ve adopted the NRA as one of my personal — I think, I’m trying to think. It is the only charity that I will give a large sum of money to that is a private charity, that is outside of my church or whatever. You know I’ve said — what did you say, Stu? Huntsman Cancer, I have given, I have given a lot of money to the Huntsman Cancer Center. I’m willing to — I believe in the Second Amendment so much and I believe it is so critical to our survival. It is the last line of defense, the Second Amendment, and I believe this organization absolutely believes in it full fledge and I will, ever time, give an extraordinary sum of money to the NRA.

STU: This is the only issue-related charity I would say that you —

GLENN: Yeah, the Huntsman Cancer Center I’ve given a lot of money to and will continue to give a lot of money to because I trust them. You know what I mean? And I believe in what they’re doing. But I’m trying to think of the — I don’t think I’ve ever joined a group except my church. I’ve never joined a group.

STU: Hostess fan club.

GLENN: What did you say?

STU: The Hostess fan club.

GLENN: That’s not really group. That is more of a church.

STU: I’m sorry.

GLENN: All right. Jon McCain is Second Amendment and that is one reason why I would. That one could be "Push me over the top" because Obama is a nightmare for guns. Let’s see what happens with the Supreme Court. And then I got down to, well, I’ve got the war in Iraq. He’s absolutely right on that one.

Do we have the audio of Barack Obama? Listen how wrong Barack Obama is on the war. Now we have some distance. And remember when the surge, "Oh, everybody was against the surge. John McCain was alone on the surge, you know what, except for Condoleezza Rice. I think he should go for Condoleezza Rice. Do we know anything about Condoleezza Rice’s politics?

STU: Well, she just — the only thing you ever hear about Condoleezza Rice running for vice president is, I’m not running for vice president, forget it. That’s what she says over and over and over and over again. Now, I don’t know. A lot of politicians say that, but I believe her. She’s been very specific. She’s been talking about plans that she’s going to do as soon as she gets out of this job. She’s over — it’s not happening.

GLENN: She would be great. She would be great. I mean, assuming that her politics are stable. It’s the kind of — you know, it’s the kind of thing with Colin Powell. Colin Powell was great but then you start looking at his politics and you’re like, I don’t know about that. But besides Condoleezza Rice, it was John McCain on the surge.

Here’s what Obama said about the surge. And when was this from?

DAN: I believe it was January of ’07.

GLENN: January of ’07. Listen to what he — just listen how wrong he was.

SENATOR OBAMA: We cannot impose a military solution on what has effectively become a civil war. And until we acknowledge that reality, we can send 15,000 more troops, 20,000 more troops, 30,000 more troops. I don’t know any expert on the region or any military officer that I’ve spoken to privately that believes that that is going to make a substantial difference on the situation on the ground.

GLENN: Holy cow. Really? Then you’re talking to the wrong advisors. I mean, once again that shows not only how wrong he was on the war or on the surge but that he’s surrounding himself with advisors that don’t get it. You didn’t talk to a single person that thinks that this would make a difference, not one? Wow, I don’t trust his advisors, I don’t trust his spiritual advisors, I don’t trust his military advisors. John McCain gets that.

Okay. So we have pro life, but what difference does that make at this point. The judges, but what difference is that going to make with the Senate? I’m just — Stu, I’m just playing — this is — may I just be me, the way I think?

STU: You can be you, but you being you is screwing up the whole concept of this. You’re making excuses. Well, yes. I mean, pro life, are they going to overturn — is he going to single-handedly overturn —

GLENN: What I’m doing here is — what I’m doing here is asking for a pros and con list, convince me that I should vote for this guy. I don’t think I should vote for this guy. I’ve never been a vote for this person because, at least he’s not this person. I believe vote for something, not against something. I want to be for something. You know, this is what we talked about last night. We started rehearsing for the stage show that’s in Atlanta and we changed the second half because the second half was really almost a parody of everything you’ve seen and I decided last night it’s not going to be. It will have some comedy stuff in it, but I want you to finally hear the things that you’ve been dying to hear. I want you to finally — I think everybody feels so alone. You know what the answers are. You know. You’re questioning now why you’re even a conservative. Because you don’t even know what it stands for anymore. Because you have no example of what a conservative is. You, your friends. Nobody’s articulating it. I want to be for something. And I don’t have anybody I can be for. You don’t win elections in America being against. You win for being for something. So convince me to be for him. So you got the Iraq — you’ve got the — he’s not afraid to use force. In this climate he will use force. He’s not going to be bullied around or conned by Ahmadinejad.