The Argument Against Idiots: Separation of Church and State

How to win the argument de jour with logic and facts

 

The issue:

‘Separation of Church and State’

What the liberal whiners say:

‘Thank GOODNESS for the Reverend Barry Lynn and Americans United for Separation of Church and State calling for the IRS to investigate that Catholic Bishop Arthur Serratelli, for jumping into this Presidential race…there is NO place for that in American politics…he needs to have his 501c status revoked!’

‘Just as the Rev. Barry Lynn said: ‘it’s a HIDDEN AGENDA to sway votes!’

‘Why do you hate CIVIL LIBERTIES…which is what the "C" and "L" in ACLU stand for…and why do you hate the U.S. Constitution? Like it or not religious zealots, there is a Constitutional separation of church and state in this country!’

Your winning, logical, reasoned arguments

1. You’re talking about the statement Bishop Serratelli made that the democratic candidate promised, as his FIRST act as president, to sign the pro-abortion, Freedom of Choice Act? He didn’t even name the candidate, and he didn’t endorse anyone…he was talking about a MORAL issue…that’s what Bishops DO!

2. Oh, I guess you prefer the much more OPEN agenda of Jeremiah Wright and Michael Phlegar…both of whomunabashadly called for Barack Obama to be elected…from their PULPITS! And by the way, please stop calling Barry Lynn a REVEREND. He’s a phony, former ACLU attorney, who only goes after conservative, white Christians. I didn’t see him sick the IRS on Jeremiah Wright and Father Phlegar, did you?

3. No there isn’t. There IS a Constitutional PROTECTION of religion in this country, that gives that Bishop the right to say what he did. But let me share the "establishment clause" of the 1st Amendment with you, since you’ve obviously never read it: Oh what the heck, I’ll share the whole thing so you won’t be able to say that I took it out of context. Here it is:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. No mention of a "separation of church and state". That came in an 1803 letter from Thomas Jefferson to a Baptist minister to assure him that the United States would never declare a state religion.

  • Populist democrat

    “Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.” — Thomas Jefferson

  • Populist democrat

    “What influence, in fact, have religious establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not.” — James Madison