GLENN: 888-727-BECK, 888-727-BECK. Joe the plumber is on the phone. Joe, some of us have written three New York Times best selling times. Who do you think you are, just picking up a pen and writing some sort of drivel?
JOE THE PLUMBER: Mmm…
GLENN: Joe, you obviously have seen the New York Times review, haven’t you?
JOE THE PLUMBER: Yeah, I saw that. I kind of laughed about it.
GLENN: Have you ever seen — you should wear that as a — I’d have T-shirts made with that review on it. Have you ever, have you ever read anything so full of hatred?
JOE THE PLUMBER: Unfortunately, yes. I have received a couple of letters and I’ve had some composed. I’ve seen a couple of letters out there. What amazed me is I haven’t done anything of late. So why stir everything back up again. I understand the book and everything. Just, that wasn’t news. I mean, just more or less this guy’s opinion and he just wants to stir the pot, you know. I was a reporter (if I was a reporter in New York Times, I think I’d actually go for something a little bit more hard hitting myself.
GLENN: Well, I have to tell you it makes me want to go out and buy your book just to piss the New York Times off. What a bunch of snobs. First of all, who’s the publisher? Who published your book?
JOE THE PLUMBER: PearlGate Publishing, a small company out of Austin, Texas.
GLENN: Oh, well, what do they know then. They don’t know literature.
JOE THE PLUMBER: No, but they do know struggle and strife, you know, a small company trying to get into the publishing business. That’s a pretty hard road to —
GLENN: They’re not too big to fail. You know what I’m saying? This won’t be a company that we’ll have to bail out. I mean, nor would we, nor should we when so many great companies like the New York Times need to be bailed out.
Joe, tell me about the book.
JOE THE PLUMBER: Oh, essentially it goes through the 2008 election, you know, what transpired a little bit as far as me. It gives you an inside look. You know, I like to think I’m a little bit more educated than some out there in politics just because it’s interesting to me that, you know, Washington talks about knowing your government and, you know, and actually keeping it in check and so I’ve always been interested in it, and getting the inside look, though, I honestly felt even more dirty after I had been on the campaign trail and seen some things that take place. It was scary, man.
GLENN: Like what?
JOE THE PLUMBER: Well, I spoke to John McCain pretty in-depth and, you know, I’ll tease you here. A lot of liberals are going to love that passage. Right now I’m painted as the right-wing conservative nut, but I’m just an American wanting, you know, what every other American wants and that’s, you know, honesty from our elected officials which, you know, has not happened in a very long time. So it’s just a straight talk about John McCain, Sarah Palin, Barack Obama, some other people I met along the way.
GLENN: Well, okay. Let’s take them one by one. Tell me about John McCain, something that I don’t know.
JOE THE PLUMBER: Well, something you don’t know, actually it’s probably stuff that you’ve already guessed and has already been painted in the different media spotlights. Just, well, you know, the bailouts. When I was on the bus with him, I asked him a lot of questions about the bailout because most Americans did not want that to happen, yet he voted for it. At the same time he’s talking about how he’s going to make somebody famous if they even think about putting pork in the bill? We all know how much pork was in the $700 billion bailout package. And why did he vote for it? And I asked him pretty direct questions and some of the answers you guys are going to receive, you know, they appalled me, absolutely. You know, I was angry. In fact, I wanted to get off the bus after I talked to him.
JOE THE PLUMBER: Oh, yeah.
GLENN: Why didn’t you get off the bus?
JOE THE PLUMBER: Honestly because the thought of Barack Obama becoming President scares me even more.
GLENN: Okay. Now, let me just —
JOE THE PLUMBER: I almost —
GLENN: Let me play devil’s advocate here and let me play the New York Times, except I’ll be fair. Isn’t that part of the problem, Joe, that people will sell out their values because they will say, "No, well, I just don’t want that; so I’ll take this, I’ll settle for this." Isn’t that the problem with our system of government right now is we’ve settled for so long, we keep getting something that we don’t want and it just gets worse and worse and worse.
JOE THE PLUMBER: Well, and that’s exactly right. I mean, you know, hopefully I wasn’t too big a proponent of that, this — what do you call it — tripping post, if you will. There isn’t somebody. Neither campaign put out a — no, I’m not going to speak for the Democrats but I mean, the Republicans didn’t put out a candidate for us to really vote for. It’s the lesser of two evils. When you get to that level, you’ve compromised your principles, you’ve compromised your values so often and you owe your soul to whatever special interest group or lobbyist has padded your campaign finances and everything else that you no longer are your own man. So you can no longer stand on your own feet because they’ve been cut out from underneath you years ago.
GLENN: What did you think of Sarah Palin?
JOE THE PLUMBER: Sarah Palin’s absolutely the real deal. You know, I only got to spend a short amount of time with her but, you know, it was been asked if I felt any presence when I was with John McCain or Barack Obama. You know, with Sarah Palin, I don’t want to say I felt a presence but she definitely had energy and she definitely went to work for American people, and it disgusts me on how often they try to bash her just for her sincerity. It’s just, you know, she really wants to work for America and I mean, I wish people would listen to her and let them, and let her work for us. You know, she wants to serve us. She’s not looking for power.
GLENN: Don’t you think that people would listen to her but between the people in Washington that won’t let go of power and the people in the media that also don’t want to let go of power, they need to destroy her because she’ll destroy their power structure.
JOE THE PLUMBER: Oh, their way of life, absolutely. I mean, she would curtail that. She would bring in, you know, common sense answers to — you know, you were just talking about how you need to be a genius to run a system that, well, when you can’t run it. I mean, you need to break it down, really scale it back and start over a little bit. Maybe back where our founding fathers are at. I mean, you know, for example, you know, Hillary Clinton, the whole deal with her as far as becoming Secretary of State. You know, it’s kind of against — well, it’s not kind of. It’s against the Constitution right now where it stands. But they’re talking about getting around it. You know, seems like every time they want to do something, if something’s in the way, they will get around it. What are we teaching our children? What are we teaching people, just even ourselves? You know, if something’s in the way, we’re going to get around it? It’s there for a reason and I mean very good reasons. Our country’s been the greatest country in the world for a very long time, yet these people think they’re good enough or smart enough and they will get around it so that way they can serve? They don’t want to serve. They just want that power is all it comes down to, Glenn.
GLENN: Well, I think you are right on the money. I will tell you this in talking to one of my guys who’s deep in the Constitution, he’s saying that she can’t have two offices. That’s the problem. She can’t occupy the two offices and then two different branches, but it’s kind of iffy on that. It’s not really clear. And if she gets rid of her office, then it should be fine. But she couldn’t be a senator and Secretary of State. That’s the real problem there.
JOE THE PLUMBER: Oh, yeah.
GLENN: You would still have a problem with that?
JOE THE PLUMBER: No, I wouldn’t. You know, I have no problem with her being — well, I don’t want to say that. I mean, you know, will ultimately she become Secretary of State? I don’t question that. It’s just the fact that I believe I was watching Hannity and Colmes. You know, they had one of their guys on there saying that they will get around it and it will be okay. That’s the problem I have is the fact that, you know, if the Constitution gets in the way, they will have a lawyer or judge get around it. Kind of like God in their country. Gosh, it’s hard following them, we’ll get around it. We’ll just take this part of the Bible out because it’s hard. They are always looking to get around something, you know? Life is not easy, and to be a good person you’ve got to work hard at it. And people just want to kind of get around it and, you know, it’s just not — that’s not the moral fiber that this country was built on.
GLENN: Joe, you’re just a regular guy. You just, you know, feel what you feel. You are hanging out with normal people, unlike our politicians. You listen to this program, if I’m not mistaken, right?
JOE THE PLUMBER: You are absolutely correct.
GLENN: Okay. What do you think is coming our way if things don’t change in Washington? What do you think’s — where are we headed?
JOE THE PLUMBER: Well, I mean, you know, I’m not comparing anybody. You know, I don’t want you to stir up a hornet’s nest here but, you know, when Adolf Hitler had come to power, one of the first things he did was take guns away. You know, we’re a country that doesn’t really listen to history. Let me go that route. And so we seem to, our country repeating the mistakes that other countries have already made and they are bogged down in now and, you know, some of the things that our current elected President Obama is suggesting really goes down a socialist road and that’s just —
GLENN: So but I want to ask you, because I see where we’re headed. I mean, they are talking about nationalizing the car industry now.
JOE THE PLUMBER: Oh, Lord.
GLENN: I mean, you want that crappy car, what was it, the Zil or whatever it was that they made over in Russia, that’s where we’re headed. But what I want to ask you more is what do you feel from the average person? How is the average — is the average American going to take a socialized state, a huge nationalized state or are they going to want to reset the Constitution?
JOE THE PLUMBER: Well, you know, it really depends on the other 2/3 of Americans that didn’t vote, Glenn. They are so disenfranchised with the political system currently, they don’t feel they have a voice or that their vote even counts. So they stay home on election day. It really depends on them people, if they are going to actually get off their duff and become educated and get involved. As of right now, yeah, everyone who has their hand out. So you know, I see a lot of people out there who would much rather let the state take care of them and screw everybody else. "I want to look out for me." It’s no longer "I want to look out for my country, I want to look out for my neighbor," I want to look out for me and only me. Very selfish.
GLENN: Very quick, last question. Are you going to run for office?
JOE THE PLUMBER: I’m going to do my national watchdog group. Hopefully I have more of an impact in that process than congress. Congress would be one voice amongst many and that’s going into the snake’s den, so to speak. That would be real hard, Glenn. I’m not real sure about that.
GLENN: Strengthening your local community is the way to go. Joe the plumber, thank you very much. The name of the book is Fighting for the American Dream.