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MIDLER: I don’t think he’s funny even a little bit. I’ve never had a laugh at Glenn Beck. In fact, I find him terrifying. I find him terrifying. He’s like an old school demagogue and it’s really frightening.
PAT: I like it when demagogues kick at old school. That’s my favorite demagoguery.
GLENN: I’m not just an old school demagogue. What could I possibly do with my demagoguery?
MIDLER: If you look around at the rest of the world and what kind of behavior has done in Rwanda where the demagogues got on the radio and fermented all that hate between the Tootsies and the Hutus and the devastation that happened from that. I mean, it’s terrifying.
GLENN: So wait, wait, wait: So I am going to cause a Rwanda–like genocide.
PAT: With your hatred.
GLENN: A Rwanda type genocide.
STU: And you can tell that she knows exactly what caused that by her knowledge of the hootsies and the Hutus and not even knowing the two names. You can tell that she’s really in-depth in her understanding of Rwanda.
GLENN: You know what, you don’t need to go there. She may know. She might have just forgot. I mean, I might have — Hutus and Jiu–Jitsus. I mean, yeah, you can easily know it and then not, you know, remember that part of it. You don’t need to go there. But is what she’s saying — see, we didn’t even get into the Patrick — we’ve got to get into the rest of what Patrick Kennedy said yesterday. What Patrick Kennedy —
PAT: Yeah, there’s so much.
GLENN: What Patrick Kennedy said was we put people in jail for — for hurting our republic all around the world. We should put people in jail for their rhetoric, Patrick Kennedy?
PAT: That’s what he seemed to be alluding to, yeah.
GLENN: Sure seemed like it to me.
PAT: Yeah, he did.
GLENN: Now, why not put people in jail if their words are going to cause a Rwanda–like genocide here in America?
PAT: That is so incomprehensible, irresponsible.
GLENN: Who is it that is going to be on the receiving end of my genocidal demagoguery? Who is it?
STU: And you were worried about who — you know, them talking too much about you or whatever. But really this has nothing to do with you.
GLENN: No, it doesn’t.
PAT: That’s right.
STU: It has to do with the people who listen to the program have conservative views that they think are a threat to their power.
GLENN: It is all about the tea parties. And wait until you hear, wait until you hear what she says about freedom of speech. It is so telling. We’ll do that next.
GLENN: The very unfunny self–proclaimed comedienne Joy Behar on The View yesterday with Bette Midler.
BEHAR: But, you know, someone like Glenn Beck has made gazillions of dollars because he’s out there being sort of hateful in many ways. He calls himself a clown and a comedian. Do you think he’s funny?
MIDLER: I don’t think he’s funny even a little bit. I’ve never had a laugh with Glenn Beck. In fact, I find him terrifying.
BEHAR: You do?
MIDLER: I find him terrifying. He is like an old school demagogue and it’s really frightening because if you really, if you look around at the rest of the world and what this kind of behavior has done like in Rwanda.
MIDLER: Where the demagogues got on the radio and started, fermented all that hate between the Tootsies and the Hutus and the devastation that happened from that. I mean, it’s terrifying. And that could happen, you know. You could turn on a dime. That could happen here.
BEHAR: Well, we have free speech here and everything he says we can say something else.
MIDLER: I don’t think hate speech should be so free. I’m not for —
GLENN: Listen to this.
MIDLER: — censorship but I also feel like you are a human being.
BEHAR: I mean, but you can’t stop people from hate speech because they have the right to say it. It’s the First Amendment.
MIDLER: I think the people who are educated to be civil are civil. That’s all there is to it. People who are not educated in any way, are just a little on the barbaric side, what can you do? But that’s the fault of the education system.
PAT: What a strong stand for free speech.
GLENN: Free speech, yeah.
GLENN: Those who are not educated in any way, that would be me. Don’t really have a right to speak.
PAT: You need to be educated.
GLENN: This is the progressive movement. This is what it is. This is why the media and now congress, they don’t listen to you. Because you are just not smart enough.
STU: Isn’t this really, though, more of just a couple of dumb celebrities?
GLENN: No, no, no.
STU: This is the progressive movement or this is a couple of dumb idiots?
GLENN: This is a progressive — it is a couple of dumb idiots, and Bette Midler is right. It is the educational system that has brought them to this progressive movement.
GLENN: This is the kind of thinking that leads to genocide. This is the kind of — at least it has historically. At least with eugenics. First it starts with, well, we can breed a better person. And then you get people like Cass Sunstein or John Holdren to fix up the experiments. Let’s go ahead and try to breed the perfect person. Then when that doesn’t work, maybe we should exterminate those who are just not right. That’s the way it happens.
STU: Isn’t their case essentially against the tea party movement and you specifically is that you’re creating fear so that people might act out? Then at the same point he’s accusing you of genocide.
STU: She’s saying the other side is going to cause a genocide.
STU: Which would be the exact same thing of fear mongering to your audience.
GLENN: Let me ask you this: Are you — do you think that maybe someone in the media might point out if anyone in the Bush administration would have said, "You know, you’re causing, you’re going to get Dick Cheney killed. You’re going to get him killed. You’re going to get George Bush killed." Do you think anybody in the media would have said that that was fear mongering, that that was irresponsible? And yet every politician is saying those things, every single one: I thought we were going to live in a community that wasn’t based in fear. Why are they doing that? To whip up their base, to be able to say these people want to kill people. I don’t know anybody that wants that to happen. I don’t know anybody that even would tolerate that. I don’t know anybody that would even tolerate that as a joke. Do you?
PAT: Absolutely not.
GLENN: Do you?
GLENN: Not even as a joke. So why is that? Are they trying to whip up fear? Are they trying to do what has happened, what has brought us here? Having the two parties teach us to hate each other. The answer is yes. Because as long as the Democrats hate the Republicans and the Republicans hate the Democrats, well, then we can’t solve anything. And they can get — one will get into the power and then the next will get into power and then the next will get into power. The next is not the parties. The answer are the individual Americans. The answer are the facts, the facts. That’s what you argue.
STU: The bottom line is we can sit here and argue which speech is right and which speech is wrong, but we can all agree that at her age, Bette Midler should not be singing boogie–woogie bugle boy anymore. That is a horrific affront to our democracy and she should not do it anymore. Stop it!
PAT: How about this one?
STU: Stop it!
MIDLER: You are the wind beneath my wings.
PAT: This should never be played on the radio, this should never be sung live.
STU: No more.
PAT: In Memorex, in person, not in person, never.
GLENN: That is beautiful, beautiful stuff. And the two of them getting together, oh, the joy that Joy can bring, seriously.