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GLENN: We have an update on the census. Apparently the census has come out.

PAT: Yeah, and there’s a, there’s a little confusion because they have three boxes you can check if you’re a certain race.

STU: Are you afraid to say the race?

PAT: I’m afraid because I don’t know what the race is because there’s three different terms for them: Black, African American, or Negro. And so there are

GLENN: Okay. An African American is a bogus PC made up term.

PAT: Yep.

GLENN: I mean, that’s not a race. That is, your ancestry is from Africa.

STU: Africa.

GLENN: And now you live in America, okay? So you were brought over, either your family was brought over through the slave trade or you were born here and your family immigrated here or whatever.

STU: Right.

GLENN: But that is not a race.

STU: And it’s a constantly misapplied term, too. It’s just like we talked about a case one time where a Jamaican who had come here and immigrated from Jamaica was being called an African American and he was like, I’m not an African I’m a Jamaican American if anything.

GLENN: Where was Kofi Annan from? He’s black, right, Kofi Annan?

PAT: Somewhere in Africa, I think, wasn’t it?

GLENN: He is not an African American.

PAT: No. And then somebody who is African American like Charlize Theron is not referred to as such.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh, yeah.

PAT: You know, so it’s really

GLENN: She’s from Africa.

PAT: She’s from South Africa, now she’s American, she’s African American. But you would never call her that. It’s a silly term.

STU: But it is common phrasing.

GLENN: Negro used to be. Is it still? I mean, it used to be.

PAT: It used to be accepted and that’s the excuse they use because there’s some

GLENN: No, no. Not acceptable. Is that still the clinical term?

PAT: I don’t know.

GLENN: For I mean, I don’t know, either.

PAT: I don’t know.

GLENN: I don’t know, either.

STU: It’s obviously a term that, you know, sensitivities at this point.

GLENN: It has negative connotations in this country.

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: But what I’m asking is what are the clinical categories.

STU: I have no idea. I don’t know.

GLENN: I mean

STU: Nor would I venture to guess because if you say the wrong one, you are likely to, you know, be assaulted by congress. Probably of course, congress voted to approve this particular questionnaire.

PAT: Over a year ago.

STU: Over a year ago with the term on it. So I don’t know. I honestly don’t know, especially honestly

GLENN: It’s got to be I mean, there has to be some, you know, clinical I mean, there still has to be a valid category.

STU: I think their excuse

GLENN: It couldn’t have gone through the census.

STU: That’s not what they’re saying. There’s saying there’s older African American black Negro gentleman, whichever one of the three that you’d pick refer to themselves still in that way. Like that’s still a way, that’s what their excuse it.

PAT: And they wanted to be inclusive.

STU: They wanted to be inclusive.

GLENN: Oh, stop it. Stop it. You know, I was on the set the other day for Fox and Friends and a guy walks past me and then he turns around and he comes back. He is intentionally, he looks at me and I’m like, hey. He looks at me and he walks past me and then he thinks and then he comes back and introduces. I don’t think I’ve told you this story.

PAT: I don’t think so.

GLENN: He introduces himself. I don’t remember his name. He said, "I’m the head of the census." And I said, "Oh, nice to meet you." And I think he it was almost like, "In your face, Beck."

STU: You’ve got the job. Congratulations.

GLENN: I know. I said, oh, nice to meet you. And he said, I just want you to know you’ll be receiving a census form in your mailbox and you need to fill it out.

PAT: You’ve got to be kidding me.

GLENN: No, I swear to God. You can ask Joe. He was there.

STU: Fantastic.

GLENN: And I said, I absolutely will, as required by the Constitution. You’ll know exactly how many people are living in my house. I’ll answer some of the questions. And he said, "Yeah. Well, you need to answer, you need to answer, you know, most of them."

STU: Most of them?

GLENN: Yeah, that’s what he said.

PAT: Really?

GLENN: That’s what he said.

PAT: Sounds almost like a threat.

GLENN: He almost started to say, he almost started to say, "You need to answer all of them," and he knew you don’t say that because

STU: Why don’t you say that?

GLENN: It’s against the Constitution. I’m required constitutionally to answer

STU: But we’ve gone over this in courts a million times. We’ve talked about

GLENN: That’s fine. That’s fine.

STU: I know it’s fine.

GLENN: Really?

STU: He could easily say that you have to answer all of them, doesn’t he? Can’t he?

PAT: Not really. There’s a lot of lawyers who are lining up hoping to challenge this.

STU: Right. But they are challenging the law. He is stating what currently is.

PAT: You are challenging an unconstitutional law.

GLENN: When they said that Jim Crow was the right thing to do, we all should have just gone along. Nope.

STU: You could not go along with it all you want and you can pay the consequences and challenge it in court.

GLENN: I’ll pay the fine, I’ll pay the $5,000.

STU: I will not pay the $5,000, just so you know, census. Just so you know. That doesn’t mean that he can’t say that you have to answer all of them. It’s the current position of the law, then of course he can say it. I mean, he can say whatever he wants. I mean, that is what they say.

GLENN: He can fine me. He can fine me the $5,000. I will gladly write the federal government and you can apply it right directly to ACORN. I’ll pay the $5,000 and then I will write a bigger check to attorneys. Congratulations.

STU: You probably will.


STU: If they decide to enforce it, you’ll have to pay much more than that in attorney fees.

GLENN: No, $5,000 fine.

PAT: It’s also interesting, though, that he said that you would specifically be receiving one because that’s not supposed to happen, either.

GLENN: No, he’s not supposed to.

PAT: It’s supposed to be households, Random House holds.

GLENN: I’m looking for

PAT: Not people.

GLENN: to seeing if he was accurate on that Random House hold.

PAT: Yep.

STU: How many households is it supposed to go to?

PAT: I don’t know but it says right on it, it’s sent to your house, not to you.

GLENN: How do I know?

PAT: I mean, my house isn’t filling out this information.

STU: And you are in the middle of moving, too.

PAT: And we did not fill out the census. And they hounded us over and over and over and over. And I told them every time.

GLENN: I will spend money and I will hire an attorney to answer my phones if they start hounding me. I will find the best attorney on the census: Just answer the phones.

STU: I know we somewhat covered this before and I hate to stick my neck out like this.

PAT: It’s going to get chopped off.

STU: It is going to get chopped off here but what like I understand, okay, the Constitution didn’t exactly say that they should ask you how much money you make or whatever.

PAT: Not only did it not exactly say that, it didn’t say that. It said count.

STU: It didn’t say a million things.

PAT: It said count people.

GLENN: All it is for is to count the number of people for representation. That is it.

PAT: It is specifically that.

STU: So do we have a problem with the government let’s say having information about the citizens if they volunteer to give it? No. We have, obviously they do statistical studies all the time. You just don’t want it in the census.

GLENN: Because the statistical studies will be flawed. They are not

STU: Right. Against people who don’t fill out the census.

GLENN: I do not want them gathering information about people. The best way to gather information, if somebody wants to build a road, if somebody needs a new building, you have the town, you have the state collect that information if need. The best way to do it is let the private individuals do it. I do not want a giant depository of information that will be used by Washington politics to direct their special interest money. No. No.

STU: It just seems that people get more excited about them getting information through the census. And obviously like I mean

GLENN: Why is it the IRS is now involved with the census?

STU: I don’t know. I bet you are going to tell me, though. See, this is my neck being chopped off here. I’m just asking.

GLENN: No, no, I don’t have an answer. But I do know a couple that didn’t fill out their census and then they were audited.

STU: But I mean

GLENN: And then excuse me. And then the auditors were asking the census questions: How many bathrooms does your house have? I can’t figure for the life of me and neither could the attorney for this couple figure for the life of me why the IRS needed to know how many bathrooms.

STU: Or why they didn’t go to the government site that has the information already.

GLENN: It was harassment.

STU: But they already had, I mean, they have all of that information. They have the square footage.

PAT: My Realtor had that information.

STU: Exactly.

PAT: Get it from them if you need it. You don’t need it for ACORN. This is all about


PAT: redistribution of wealth. It’s about structure and redistribute of wealth.

STU: I agree with you on redistribute you could see that obviously a lot of people want to do that. But when you are talking about the census, it’s government it’s available to most of the government. They are trying to compile it for some statistical reason.

PAT: To redistribute wealth. I don’t want them to.

STU: Isn’t that worse? When you don’t fill it out, then you are not being represented.

GLENN: I’m not playing their game anymore.

STU: Right. But you lose the game when you don’t play it in this case.

GLENN: I know.

STU: Don’t you? Why, when you are the only one not being represented because all conservatives don’t fill it out.

GLENN: Because you lose the game when you decide that the best thing you can do is play the game with them. No. I’m going to stick to the Constitution. Look what happens to all the people who are like, you know what, if we just compromise a little bit here and a little bit here, a little bit here, a little drib, a little drab and they got you. No. I’m going to stand with the Constitution, period.