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GLENN: Do you know the Huffington Post is now doing a I love this. They are trying really hard. "We’ve got to understand this appeal to Sarah Palin." Here it is: We are awash in a crisis right now, crisis that requires smart and creative policy fixes. So why is someone who so rarely deals in policy fixes so popular? It’s because Palin’s message operates on a deeper level than policy statements about the economy or financial reform or healthcare or the war in Afghanistan. It’s not Palin’s positions people are responding to.

PAT: Oh, no.

GLENN: It’s her use of symbols: Mama grizzlies rearing up to protect their young.

PAT: She’s nailed it. It’s the mama grizzlies thing.

GLENN: No, no, no. This is the best. This is straight out of Jung’s Collective Unconscious. You’ve got to be kidding me!

PAT: (Laughing).

GLENN: You’ve got to be kidding me! We’re going to Jung? You know what? You are so right. You guys are so smart over there at the Huffington Post. You are so smart. You got her. You got her. And what a surprise, it’s selling for a dollar, Newsweek magazine. Huffington, if you keep working, eventually you’ll be worth that dollar, too.

STU: You know, if I had a dollar for every time Newsweek sold this week, I’d have the price that Newsweek sold for this week.

PAT: You don’t suppose it could be that the editor of Newsweek said ridiculous things

GLENN: Like what?

PAT: Like this.

VOICE: I mean, in a way Obama is standing above the country, above the world. He’s sort of god.

GLENN: No.

PAT: Barack Obama’s sort of God?

GLENN: God?

PAT: I mean

GLENN: Seriously, don’t you think? He’s seeming very god like to me lately. I like it.

PAT: Really?

GLENN: Mmm hmmm.

STU: I love how the fact that — no one could picture how Newsweek could get any closer to the administration and then they sold to the husband of a Democratic congresswoman. I think they actually achieved it.

PAT: Wow.

GLENN: Who did they sell to?

STU: Was it Harman? Off the top of my head, I don’t have that story in front of me but it the husband who’s a very wealthy man obviously, although he likely had more than a dollar. By that standard I guess everybody’s wealthy.

GLENN: Well, in today’s society with the way this administration’s going, that’s pretty much how we’ll all be. He has $2?

STU: Whoa!

GLENN: Wow!

PAT: I mean, it’s amazing to take note that Newsweek lost about $30 million last year alone, $30 million.

GLENN: It’s because they just don’t get it. They are so arrogant. They think they are better than everyone else. They’ve bought into Walter Lippmann’s lie that they are going to oversee the management or the dissemination of what needs to be done to the stupid people. They will just oversee the dissemination. They will just, they will teach us. And they know. They’re in with the professors and they’re in with the administrators and so they know. And the unwashed masses are just so stupid. I guess that’s you know, Jung talked about it with the Collective Unconscious which the mama grizzly. That’s the thing I hate about Sarah Palin. When I listen to Sarah Palin speak and she’s like, we’re just all mama grizzlies, I’m like, oh, please stop with the mama grizzlies. I mean, I like Sarah Palin because she’s real. I like Sarah Palin because she’s not a robot. I like Sarah Palin’s policies, well, her I was going to say her failed policies of the past, but they were pretty successful, especially when it came to oil.

I’m a little quite honestly, I mean, I haven’t talked to Sarah in, I don’t know, a month or so but I’m a little, I’m a little puzzled by why she didn’t step to the plate on the gulf. I mean, if she wanted to run for president, and I think that’s the key, if she wanted to run for president, she should have been down there and she should have been organizing all those oil companies together and had some real press moments because that’s where she excels. On energy she’s amazing. She’s amazing. And I don’t think she capitalized on that the way she could have but I you know, again she’s her own woman. Nobody’s telling Sarah Palin what to do. And I think that’s another reason why people like her. Because everybody knows she’s her own person. She’s doing what she wants to do. Agree or disagree with it, that’s what she’s doing. Nobody’s pulling her strings. If anything, she’s pulling other people’s strings. Ever had that feeling?

You know, you see when she’s for instance, when she first went out with John McCain to endorse him in Arizona, her response to me was, JD Hayworth? And at the time I was like, "Anybody but John McCain. How about a sock?" Seriously I’ll vote for a sock over John McCain. But as it turns out if my choice is JD Hayworth or John McCain

PAT: Well, that was before you knew about this.

VOICE: $80,000 in grant money and I don’t have to pay it back. So I’m ecstatic about it.

HAYWARD: We award this grant for up to $1.3 million, greatest news about that is we don’t have to pay any of it back.

VOICE: How much money? I mean, did I hear right? Billions?

VOICE: Hundreds of billions.

VOICE: Hundreds of billions of dollars. Wow. Well, forgive me if I sound like a skeptic because that’s a lot of money. It sounds too good to be true. Congressman, is it for real?

HAYWARD: It is for real. Now, I understand the skepticism in part because President Reagan used to say the greatest

GLENN: Stop.

PAT: You forgot about that.

GLENN: No.

PAT: You forgot about that.

GLENN: I didn’t know about that.

PAT: Yeah. Now he’s telling you about billions of dollars.

GLENN: I know.

PAT: Available to you for free.

GLENN: I know.

PAT: Now how much do you want to vote for him?

GLENN: I don’t want to vote for him at all. I’m still going for the sock.

PAT: So what a choice in Arizona: Hayworth, McCain.

GLENN: So what would you do? What would you do?

PAT: I don’t know. I’d have to look for a third party guy probably.

GLENN: I would.

PAT: You know, I mean, are you wasting your vote?


GLENN: No.

PAT: No, you are voting your conscious.

GLENN: No, wasting my vote is putting a vote in a guy who’s walking with a border guard on television where the border guard looks at him and says, "Senator, you’ve been knifing us in the back here on the border for a long…" no, wait, that’s not what he said.

PAT: Not what he said.

GLENN: "Senator, good thing you’re behind us.

PAT: Way behind us.

GLENN: We would like you to lead the way so we can watch your hands where they are at all times because we think you are going to knife us in the John McCain, for Senate.

STU: The voiceover just cuts off the sentence like that?

GLENN: Yes. "Senator, we’re so glad you are ahead leading us and leading the way because we really want to watch you every step of the way because we think you are knifing us… John McCain."

PAT: "John McCain."

STU: (Laughing).

PAT: I think they might make a better edit than that maybe before kni… gets out.

GLENN: Let me tell you something. I think all of us on the border, we all feel the same way. We’d vote for John McCain in a heartbeat, especially over, well, Satan, Lucifer.

PAT: "John McCain."

STU: (Laughing).

GLENN: So… we got that going for us. Anyway, we were talking about Sarah Palin and, you know, I’ve begun to wonder now who’s playing whom here? Is she being played? Because that was the thing: Oh, she’s been co opted by the Republican Party. Has she?

PAT: I don’t think so.

GLENN: Or has the Republican Party maybe been co opted by her, you know? You don’t know.

PAT: Look at the way this thing has gone. I mean, it was six or eight months ago when she was, she was polling fourth or fifth or sixth among potential Republican candidates for president. Now she’s by far first. Now she’s number one and there’s nobody even close to her and so she’s apparently made a few pretty smart moves in the last six or eight months.

GLENN: This is again Arianna Huffington: This is the realm that Palin is working in, I’m sure unintentionally, and it’s why she has connected so deeply.

Why is it unintentional? Is she not smart enough to read Jung?

PAT: No.

GLENN: And it’s why she has connected so deeply with such a large segment of the public. In fact, her use of "Mama grizzlies" has a particular resonant history in Collective Unconscious. According to the Jungian Archive For Research in Archetypal Symbolism, the bear has long fascinated mankind. You’ve got to be kidding me! The bear has so long fascinated mankind.

STU: Not just the people that are always calling you conspiracy theorists, looking into symbolism too much.

GLENN: These people look for anything.

PAT: But you’ve got to finish. It’s partly because of its habit of hibernation which may have served as a model of death and rebirth in human societies. See, it’s that that she’s tapping into.

GLENN: What is wrong with these people?

STU: Of course that’s it.

GLENN: Yeah.

PAT: That’s unbelievable.

GLENN: My wife and I were like, I don’t know, there’s something speaking to me in the unconscious level of death and rebirth, almost a hibernation of what are you talking about? My wife would look at me and say, what, are you high? "No, I’m no, I’m just reading Arianna Huffington, that’s all I’m can I tell you something? She has tapped into a vein of nonsense that I just, it’s very rare, very rare.

PAT: Very rare.

GLENN: On a deeper level it’s complete nonsense, but there on the surface

PAT: Of Arianna?

GLENN: Yeah.

PAT: Yeah.

GLENN: It’s just nonsense.

PAT: Yeah. But if you go deeper, what does it do?

GLENN: Complete nonsense, yeah.

PAT: But go beyond that. Go deeper than that. What do you get down to?

GLENN: Elitist complete nonsense.

PAT: Yeah.

GLENN: So

PAT: Yeah.

GLENN: Kind of almost a spirit of, I’m better than you.

PAT: That kind of nonsense?

GLENN: That kind of nonsense.

STU: You have to dig real deep to that to get to her. It’s not surface.

PAT: It’s to the bone. It’s nonsense to the bone.

GLENN: No, it’s not that deep, but there are seven whole layers to the human skin. I don’t know if you know that. Seven layers. You’ve got to dig down like three.

PAT: Wow.

GLENN: To be able to get to that.

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