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GLENN: Have you noticed a trend that he kind of reveals himself when he’s not on prompter? I would like to know if the his pocket was vibrating about halfway through these comments, because I think maybe George Soros might have said, get him on the Blackberry, as he was saying this on Friday.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Let me be clear.

GLENN: Oh, boy.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: As a citizen and as president, I believe that Muslims have the right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country. (Applause).

PAT: Good comment.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: That includes the right to build a place of worship in a community center on private property in Lower Manhattan.

GLENN: Mmm hmmm. Now, for anybody who said when they wanted to know whether this was a good idea or not, "I don’t know; let me check with an attorney," there you have your answer and this came as a surprise to me because I didn’t know that in this country that everybody has a right to build something, you know

PAT: A religious edifice?

GLENN: A religious edifice.

PAT: Who knew.

GLENN: I didn’t know that.

PAT: They were keeping that pretty quiet.

GLENN: Is that the Fourth Amendment?

PAT: I think it’s the 16th.

GLENN: The Sixteenth Amendment.

PAT: Or the 60th, something like that.

GLENN: Because it’s a rather new one I’m not familiar with, the right of freedom of religion.

PAT: That’s wacky. Really?

GLENN: For those of you who were looking for an attorney’s point of view on this, apparently it’s somewhere in the Constitution. It might be in the good and plenty clause that you have a right to worship God in this country.

PAT: Wow.

GLENN: Yeah.

PAT: Wow. Who saw that coming.

GLENN: I didn’t. Now, because whenever he says, let me be clear, he’s not, he had to go and clarify his "Let me be clear" speech that he gave on Friday, and here’s what he said.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, the you know, my intention was to simply let people know what I thought which was that in this country.

GLENN: Country.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: We treat everybody equally.

GLENN: Okay, stop for a second. Hang on just a second. So do we do that in this country? Do we treat everybody equally?

PAT: No.

GLENN: What do you mean?

PAT: I mean, there’s many examples of that.

GLENN: Oh, give me one.

PAT: Well, let’s see.

GLENN: Progressive income tax.

PAT: Yeah, how about that?

GLENN: No.

PAT: No?

GLENN: No, I won’t take that one. I gave you that one.

PAT: You gave it to me and now you won’t take it?

GLENN: I won’t take that one because they haven’t paid their fair share. People are equal, just some people are more equal than others.

PAT: Okay.

GLENN: So give me another one.

PAT: The healthcare, the new healthcare bill.

GLENN: What do you mean?

PAT: Well, only the richest 1% pay any taxes on that.

GLENN: Yeah, but that’s almost like the progressive income tax thing. That’s still just, that’s a good or a service or something like that.

PAT: Healthcare? No, that’s a right. That’s a new right.

GLENN: Oh, that’s right, that’s in the good and plenty clause.

PAT: That’s in the good and plenty clause, that’s right.

GLENN: That’s right next to build a mosque right next to anywhere that is really, really inappropriate.

PAT: Yes.

GLENN: Now, I find it interesting that he is, he’s talking about how we treat people equally here. I don’t think we do. I don’t think we do. And I really thought that that is kind of what the equal rights movement was all about, the Civil Rights Movement, the equal rights movement, it was kind of like, we don’t treat people equally here and so maybe we should treat people equally.

PAT: That’s what you thought that was about?

GLENN: Well, I did up until recently.

PAT: Well, Al Sharpton clarified that.

GLENN: Yeah.

PAT: You know, when he told us it was about equal stuff.

GLENN: Yeah, that’s right. He wasn’t talking about putting a black man in the White House.

PAT: No.

GLENN: It was equal stuff in everybody’s house.

PAT: In everybody’s house.

GLENN: So that was a good clarifier there.

PAT: Yeah, it was.

GLENN: I didn’t see that coming. I didn’t know that. Okay. So here’s some more.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: With the law, regardless of race, regardless of religion.

GLENN: Didn’t know that.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: I was not commenting and I will not comment.

GLENN: He will not.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: On the wisdom of making a decision to put a mosque there.

GLENN: Right.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: I was commenting very specifically on the right to people that dates back to our founding. That’s what our country’s about. And I think it’s very important that

GLENN: Okay.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: you know, as difficult as some of these issues are, you know, we need to stay focused on who we are as a people and what our values are all about.

PAT: And I think that now you could count on one finger the number of times this guy has spoken about the rights that date back to our founding.

GLENN: On one finger?


PAT: I think on one finger.

GLENN: Are we counting

PAT: I think that’s it.

GLENN: Are we counting all the knuckles?

PAT: I think we’re counting knuckles, I think we’re counting toes. You know, if you included everything, you just need one finger.

GLENN: Really?

PAT: Yes.

GLENN: Huh.

PAT: Uh huh.

GLENN: Because I haven’t heard him really talk about defending the Constitution.

PAT: No

GLENN: Because what the Constitution is really is a charter of negative liberties.

PAT: Negative liberties, yeah.

GLENN: When it really should be a charter of the things that the government must do for you and not those things that the government

PAT: And unfortunately

GLENN: Right.

PAT: As radical as a lot of people thought the Warren court was.

GLENN: Yeah.

PAT: It didn’t go far enough.

GLENN: It didn’t go far enough.

PAT: It didn’t go far enough.

GLENN: To quote someone, I’m not really sure.

PAT: A redistributive change in America. You know what I mean?

GLENN: Well, I mean

PAT: Do you know what I’m saying?

GLENN: You know what the problem with the Civil Rights Movement was.

PAT: What was it?

GLENN: Well, they didn’t really take into consideration all of the organizations, all of the community organizations, all of the businesses and that could really be cobbled together.

PAT: Gosh, that’s sounding familiar. That’s sounding familiar.

GLENN: I’m trying to remember exactly.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent, as radical as I think people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties.

PAT: Negative.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Says what the states can’t do to you, says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government

GLENN: Should do.

PAT: Must do.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: And that hasn’t shifted. And one of the I think tragedies of the Civil Rights Movement.

GLENN: It’s a tragedy, it is.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Because the Civil Rights Movement became so court focused.

GLENN: Court focused.

PAT: See.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: I think that there was a tendency to lose

PAT: A tendency.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: track of political and community organizing

GLENN: Yes.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change.

PAT: There you go.

GLENN: I think the coalition

PRESIDENT OBAMA: In some ways we still suffer with that.

GLENN: We do suffer from that.

PAT: It’s a tragedy.

GLENN: And it is a tragedy that they haven’t broken free of the

PAT: The constraints our founders put.

GLENN: On the Constitution.

PAT: I hate that.

GLENN: That’s the thing that I when I think of the mosque, I think to myself, gee, if they could only break free of some of the fundamental restraints put on in the Constitution by our founders.

PAT: Oh, you know what would be great.

GLENN: What?

PAT: Is fundamental transformation so that you could break free from some of those restraints.

GLENN: Well, that, I mean, as radical

PAT: That would be great!

GLENN: As radical as some people might think that fundamental transformation is and changing the Constitution from a charter of negative liberties to a charter of positive liberties, you know, the things that the government should and must do for you, you know, what I think one of the tragedies of the first 18 months of the Obama administration has been is that we have forgotten about all of the, all of the basic power of coming in and putting, you know, for instance, Siberia or the gulags or a KGB like organization and, you know, kind of the, cobble together the foundation of power, these organizations that could be the foundation of power.

PAT: Of real power.

GLENN: Of real power.

PAT: That shut people up.

GLENN: Yeah, where you could really have some redistributive change.

PAT: (Laughing). And it’s a tragedy that they haven’t done that yet.

GLENN: It is.

PAT: They haven’t done that yet.

GLENN: That is the tragedy of the first 18 months of this administration.

PAT: A lot of people would say that. There are those who would say they should have done that by now.

GLENN: There are those that would say that and I believe are saying that right now.

PAT: Yes.

GLENN: And many of them I’m sure will be attending that new mosque.

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