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GLENN: We’re talking to Honky Whitesville from the Obama campaign.
CALLER: Yeah, say white campaign advisor.
GLENN: I beg your pardon?
CALLER: I just make sure you get that title, I’m the white campaign advisor. I’m white.
GLENN: I don’t really think that’s important, Mr. Whitesville.
CALLER: Well, it’s just important to be truthful. I’m white. I’m a white man.
GLENN: But that’s okay.
CALLER: I just want you — I want to make sure you know.
GLENN: It doesn’t really matter.
CALLER: And your audience knows that, that I’m white. I’m working with the Obama campaign and I’m very white. And I’m white. Ever see toothpaste? You know the tube with toothpaste out? That’s sort of my color.
CALLER: That’s the color. I was looking in the mirror yesterday after I looked up and I was like, oh, no, I have toothpaste all over my face but actually I just had face all over my face because my face is white, and just so everyone knows, I work at the Obama campaign and I’m white but my first name’s Honky, my literal first name is Honky.
GLENN: I don’t even believe that’s your first name.
CALLER: And my last name is Whitesville.
GLENN: So anyway, Honky Whitesville, you —
CALLER: I love mayonnaise and just so you know, I don’t pronounce it mayonnaise. Mayo-nnaise. I want people to know that I know, I bought mayonnaise so many times that I just know the word. I know how it’s spelled and how to properly pronounce mayo-nnaise. Just, you know. And I work for the Obama — did I say that I work for the Obama campaign?
GLENN: I got it. I don’t understand the new tack here. But last night in Charlotte, North Carolina, Michelle Obama went on a rant that I — I mean —
CALLER: Powerful, wasn’t it? Powerful stuff.
GLENN: It was really out of step with where the American people are.
CALLER: I was — I mean, if —
GLENN: She is an elitist. She is an elitist and she is one of the most angry people —
CALLER: This is the Hillary Clinton campaign. This is their attack and it’s absolutely ridiculous if you look at the facts. But let me paint a picture for you.
GLENN: All right.
CALLER: I need to paint a picture that you and the audience can all relate to. Think of it this way. Barack Obama is Emily Brontė and Hillary is Charlotte Brontė. Oh, oh, my, I think your audience right now — and I know you are, Glenn — is really relating.
GLENN: I mean, those are people that, I don’t even know, didn’t they write like Wuthering Heights?
CALLER: Obviously I guess you are just trying to clarify in case somebody doesn’t know but Emily Brontė wrote Wuthering Heights under the pseudonym Ellis Bell and then had it published under — but then Charlotte Brontė, she would edit a posthumous version. That’s the analogy that I’m trying to — Hillary is Charlotte Brontė-ing Barack’s ideas.
GLENN: See, this is where it gets into elitism with the —
CALLER: This is ridiculous. Why do people keep saying that? Hillary is clearly the elitist. Let me give you another one. I’m sorry that didn’t work for you. I figured — I mean, we’re trying to relate to the people here.
GLENN: I understand that. I don’t think the Brontė, Emily and Charlotte Brontė example is really going to work for you.
CALLER: Hillary Clinton, she is like a bottle of 2003 Celocita Creek cabernet sauvignon Washington. I mean, only 3400 cases were made at $85 a bottle. How can that be the cabernet of the people? Now, Barack Obama is much more like a bottle of 2001 Casanova Duneri Dunero Du Montel Chino Duevo Tuscany (ph). I mean, it’s only $70 a bottle. I mean, anybody can buy it. And at 4,830 cases made, there’s much more available. But who was the wine of the year in Wine Spectator Magazine 2006? You know what I mean? Say it with me. Casanova Duneri — you don’t like that?
GLENN: Honky Whitesville, I think that you’re missing — you people in the Obama campaign just don’t know who the real people are, and you’re angry and elitist and I think the — if I may just go into the speech that was given last night.
CALLER: I think people will understand how average.
GLENN: So here’s what happened last night. She’s at the Ovens Auditorium in Charlotte and there’s a preacher speaking and he says tomorrow we shall achieve the victory that the kingdom of God may come on Earth as it is in heaven." So I believe what he was basically saying is Barack Obama will bring the kingdom of God here on heaven?
CALLER: You know… he’s not part of our campaign. I don’t —
GLENN: So he says all those who love the Lord will go out and vote for Obama, say amen, and everybody says amen.
GLENN: Then he says tomorrow the people of North Carolina, this is today, which was last night, will seek to give climax to a campaign that seeks to lift America to a higher ground and so Lord we thank you for this campaign and this election opportunity in this election to move America from the dark valley of doubt to the mountaintop of hope, to the days when black will not be asked to give back, when brown can stick around, when yellow can be mellow.
GLENN: And the red man can get ahead and the white man will see the light.
CALLER: And the white man will see the light knowing that the white man is welcome. They just want to make sure that he was trying to be clear that everyone knows the white man is welcome.
GLENN: This is again all part of this kind of the white man is evil thing that you’ve — hello?
CALLER: You are saying that that’s — you have a transcript of this, or is this —
GLENN: This is a transcript of what happened last night.
CALLER: Do you have audio or video?
GLENN: No, I don’t have the audio.
CALLER: But you have the transcript?
GLENN: I have the transcript right here.
CALLER: Now, this actually happened, what you’re saying here?
GLENN: Yeah, this is yet another reverend basically saying if you’re any other color other than white, you cannot make it in America. But then she gets up.
CALLER: Oh, well, this is —
GLENN: And she gets up — now, does she speak for the campaign?
CALLER: Oh, absolutely — Michelle Obama is just your average person. She’s, you know, had a tough time throughout her life and honestly she had to fight against impossible odds.
GLENN: Okay, here we go, here we go. She says there are forces out there that are trying to take everything away from Barack and everything that Barack has worked for, but she doesn’t ever name the sources of who’s trying to take it all away.
CALLER: Well, as you know, forces exist such as people voting. That could be one of the —
GLENN: She says they are trying to take her away from the mountaintop of hope and they have to be stopped. She said, we’ve learned that we’re living in a — I’m quoting: We’re living in a time and in a nation where the bar is set, right?
GLENN: Yeah. Well, that’s what the crowd said. Then they tell you, all you need to do is just do these things and you’ll get to the bar.
GLENN: Then you go about the business of doing those things.
GLENN: And she basically said that, you know, her husband’s been doing that, raising money, building an organization, winning caucuses, winning primaries, amassing a large number of delegates and yet he still hasn’t won because of the unnamed adversaries.
CALLER: Oh, the unnamed adversaries are clear here and what they are are the rules of the election. Apparently someone put these crazy superdelegate things together and I mean, how were we supposed to know about them in advance? I mean, this is the sort of forces —
GLENN: She said, you start working hard and sacrificing and you think you’re getting closer to the bar. You’re working, you’re struggling, you get right to that bar, you’re reaching out for the bar and then what happens? And the crowd screams… they raise the bar.
CALLER: They raise the bar.
GLENN: She says they raise the a bar, raise the bar, shift it to the side, keep it out of reach. Who’s raising the bar?
CALLER: Well, if you look, the Democratic campaign, the whole DNC changed it from 2025 delegates to 3 million delegates. Those were not the rules before the election began.
GLENN: That’s not what they’re doing. They haven’t changed anything. She says that’s exactly what’s happening in this race.
GLENN: You know what happens when you live in a society where a vast majority of people are struggling every day to reach an ever shifting bar? You know what happens to that kind of society? And some man yelled in the audience, they get frustrated. She said, and that frustration leaves people isolated and afraid. Hey, Honky Whitesville?
GLENN: What happens when people get afraid?
CALLER: They get frustrated?
GLENN: No, but don’t they cling to their guns and religion?
CALLER: Oh, you are talking about typical white people?
CALLER: Oh, yeah. All they do is they cling to their guns and their religion and the Second Amendment and the rule of law, crazy things, whatever. Those white people, like me.
GLENN: What happens when those who are reaching for the bar, what do they cling to when they get afraid and feel isolated? Do they cling to anything?
CALLER: Well, I mean, if they can reach the bar, they will cling to the bar. That’s one thing.
GLENN: Other than that?
CALLER: But other than that, they just cling to, you know, their guns and their religion and their hatred and their whiteness.
GLENN: She says, we pass on the negative energy to the next generation. She said, I was in a little beauty shop and we were all having a rally. In a beauty shop? It was me and a bunch of women and a couple of brothers. Do you realize when your husband becomes the next President of the United States, it will be historical, says a girl. She’s 10 years old. Everybody laughs. Cute thing for a kid to say. She said, what does that mean to you, she asked the little girl. The little girl said, it means that I can imagine anything for myself. The crowd begins to applaud. You know, they’re hearing this happy little tale. Everybody’s like, oh, this is inspiring. And then Mrs. Obama continues.
CALLER: Right. This is an inspiring story.
GLENN: No, it kind of goes awry here. She says, and that little girl started to break down in tears. She sobbed so hard. She was crying big huge tears and I had to think, why is this little girl crying so hard. I thought, you know, what’s going on? This little girl gets it. That’s what’s going on. The little 10-year-old girl knows what’s at stake. She knows that she’s already five steps behind. She knows that her hopes for college are already dwindling. She knows that if she gets sick, maybe she has an asthma attack. Instead of going to a doctor and being treated, she’s going to be sitting in an emergency room for hours on end.
CALLER: Oh, jeez.
GLENN: In short — what?
CALLER: To clarify, you’re saying she said this out loud?
GLENN: She said this out loud.
CALLER: Okay, yeah.
GLENN: She said, in short the little girl, just 10, knows that the bar is moved —
CALLER: Like in front of people?
GLENN: In front of people she said this. She knows that the bar has been moved far, far away from her. She feels the veil of impossibility and it’s suffocating her.
CALLER: In a public place she said that?
GLENN: Yes. The little girl is in all of us. I mean, Honky, Honky Whitesville, I mean, that’s Michelle Obama speaking for the campaign.
CALLER: Of course we agree with her.
GLENN: She then went on to say I’m not supposed to be here. That was a statistical oddity. As a black girl raised on the south side of Chicago I wasn’t supposed to be here. I wasn’t supposed to go to Princeton. They said my test scores were too low. I wasn’t —
CALLER: I’m sorry. You said that her — she said she was disappointed, she wasn’t supposed to get into Princeton? But she got into Princeton even though her test scores were —
GLENN: Too low.
CALLER: Too low.
GLENN: Too low. But she got into Princeton anyway.
CALLER: And she’s saying she’s oppressed because she got into Princeton with low test scores?
GLENN: Whose side are you on here?
CALLER: She’s right. She is oppressed and the truth is that — what did she say something about five steps behind? What the hell is that?
GLENN: She said, I also wasn’t supposed to go to Harvard law school because they said it might be too tough for her, but she did.
CALLER: So she had test scores that were too low to get to Princeton but she not only got into Princeton, she got into Princeton and Yale.
GLENN: No, Harvard.
CALLER: And Harvard and she’s complaining about —
GLENN: She said, I’m certainly not standing here with a chance to become the first lady of the United States of biography.
CALLER: We should read her biography.
GLENN: And there she is. As always, they are trying to raise the bar a little higher like they did when she went to Princeton and then Harvard and now possibly the first lady.
CALLER: Is it possible she was holding onto the bar as they were raising it?
GLENN: No, I think she might have made a trip to the bar. I’m not sure.
CALLER: I don’t know what you’re saying. I think the bottom line here is I think you are trying to deflect from the issues here is that the campaign is about the kids. You know, we’re all coming around and we’re talking about this campaign about the kids, specifically Obama’s kids. We really need to make sure that — I mean, let me ask you this.
CALLER: Will Obama’s kids be able to get the same quality of cabernet as that 2001 bottle? Will they be able to find a Riesling that is satisfactory? Will they be able to avoid embarrassing mom and dad because if they embarrass mom and dad, mom and dad are going to be upset. Let me ask you this. If gas prices remain this high.
CALLER: Self-serve, who will pump the gas for the Obama family? You can try to paint her as an elitist or you can try to paint him as an elitist because he is going to be eating a cheese steak with Havarti but I don’t see any basis of it at all. And just real quick, you said she said all this stuff at an — like she meant to say it?
GLENN: She meant to say it.
CALLER: This was intentional.
GLENN: That was last night.
CALLER: She meant to.
CALLER: Like really?
GLENN: That’s what I’m saying. Honky Whitesville, thank you very much for your time.