NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris W. Cox
GLENN: Chris Cox from the National Rifle Association is here. Hello, Chris.
COX: How are you doing, Glenn?
GLENN: I’m amazed at this.
COX: This guy’s unbelievable. Thanks God that he’s up in New York and not anywhere else even though like you mentioned, he thinks he is America’s mayor and not just the mayor of New York. Well, if he thinks that the Second Amendment only applies to you if you’re rich, famous, really good looking or maybe in his case really short, this guy’s an elitist. He thinks that the rest of America wants his New York City style gun control and what he’s going to find is the rest of America thinks he’s a billionaire zealot and wants him to stay out of their neighborhoods.
GLENN: He actually, in a recent court deposition Bloomberg said he believed, "The Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights gives you the right to keep and bear arms but in a recent brief to the Supreme Court Mr. Bloomberg’s attorneys argued that the amendment was not intended to vest arm power in the citizens acting outside of any governmental military effort, either federal or state." Jeez, Chris, I mean, how do these people believe that the founding fathers that were afraid of out-of-control governments didn’t want people to have guns outside of the government?
COX: Glenn, they truly believe that they’re better than us, that we can’t live our lives ourselves, we can’t make our own decisions. The government knows what’s best for the little people and they don’t believe in this basic freedom. You are right, it sounds just like the rest of the gun control groups who say, no, we believe in the Second Amendment but we just don’t think you should have any ammunition. We believe in the Second Amendment but we don’t think you should have any guns, we think you should just let law enforcement and the military have the firearms. It’s hypocrisy. They certainly haven’t read the Constitution but that’s what we deal with on a daily basis and your mayor up there, Mayor Bloomberg, certainly not your mayor but the mayor of New York is right there front and center leading the charge to take our freedoms away.
GLENN: Well, I would like to understand one question here, if you could help me out. Chicago’s mayor says that the police in Chicago are now outgunned. Isn’t there a gun ban in Chicago?
COX: It’s illegal to own handguns even in your home for self-defense. Thank you, Barack Obama. He was one of the leaders of that brain trust when that passed back in the Nineties. But yes, it’s illegal to own handguns even in your home in Chicago and most of the suburbs.
GLENN: So how is it that the police are —
COX: The police are outgunned because they won’t prosecute the people, the bad guys they do catch with firearms.
GLENN: Chris, how concerned are you? You know, Texas, I read a story this weekend that there is a 40% increase in sales — this story was from Texas, but I have to tell you I shoot down at my firing range in Connecticut, which is also a gun store, and I have to tell you that this guy’s talking to me last week and he said, Glenn, it’s crazy. Business is great for me right now. It is booming. People are going out and he said, people who are liberals and conservatives, people are just going out and buying guns because they are afraid that Barack Obama is going to get in and if you are not — if you don’t have a gun and you are not grandfathered in, you ain’t getting one.
COX: Well, people are worried. We saw the same thing in the Nineties when Bill Clinton decided to blame the National Rifle Association and gun owners for all of his personal problems. But people are worried. They see Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama one day talking about how much they support hunting and how much they support the Second Amendment and then they read a story from Chicago where a gun owner had his house broken into, they stole his house key, they stole his car. The next night he was tucking his kids into bed, his alarm goes off. He walks down in the kitchen. The criminal, the same criminal’s back in his house. He shoots the criminal and wounds him. He gets arrested and goes to jail. The Illinois legislature was so outraged by this that they brought up legislation to let at least gun people keep guns in their homes for self-defense. Barack Obama voted against it four times. So they understand that election year rhetoric doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s the truth, that you really look at somebody’s actions, that actions speak louder than words. And whether it’s Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, they’ve shown nothing but disdain for the Second Amendment. They’ve shown nothing but disdain for law-abiding gun owners in this country. They want to title the criminals: Oh, we need to look, they have a hole in their heart is what Barack Obama said in his Audacity of Hope book: You have to look at him; he has a whole in his heart. I would rather the guy have a hole in his chest if he tries to murder somebody’s family. Call me crazy.
GLENN: Who’s — or how much worse is Barack Obama than Hillary Clinton? Because I know the Clintons, you know, the computers were down every time you tried to go get a gun licensed all through the Nineties. You would have a heck of a time getting anything done because, oh, the government computers were down. But they were mysteriously fixed on inauguration day in 2000.
COX: Glenn, it’s like judging an ugly baby contest. There’s really no fair way to pick one over the other than just to say they’re both, don’t listen to them. I mean, Al Gore, Bill Clinton was in a duck blind before his election in ’96. John Kerry was in a goose pit before his election in 2004. It’s photo ops. It’s election year rhetoric. Look at the records. If you don’t take our record for it, do the homework on your — do your homework for yourself. Get on the Internet. Look at the positions they’ve taken and you’ll find out that there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. They both have long records. Only Clinton just had a longer time to have been lying about supporting the Second Amendment than Barack Obama.
GLENN: And do you believe John McCain is a friend?
COX: Well, compared to those two, he looks a lot better than those two. Now, we’ve had a couple of high-profile disagreements with Senator McCain and our members and gun owners all over the country know it. But our number one goal needs to be making sure that Barack Obama doesn’t end up in the White House or that Hillary Clinton doesn’t end up in the White House because that’s the worst possible case for — worst-case scenario for gun owners in this country.
GLENN: We have tonight on television, I’m going to do another segment. I have the governor of Louisiana that, I mean, he was instrumental in getting the bill passed —
COX: That’s right.
GLENN: To where you can — to where the government cannot go door to door and collect your guns.
COX: That’s right.
GLENN: That is — you know what’s amazing to me, Chris, is that that story happened and most America, they don’t even know that it happened.
COX: Glenn, other than you and a handful of others who have been willing to stand up and speak out on that, you are right. The national news media ignored it entirely. This was the first time in American history — think about that. The first time in American history that they came door to door and pointed guns at good guys and said turn them over. The other gun control groups: "Oh, nobody’s ever going to take your guns away, NRA’s just crazy, listen to them ranting and raving." It happened. It happened in New Orleans and it happened when those people needed their guns the most, when there was no 911, there’s no cell service, there’s no power. You hear the screams, you hear the gunshots and all of a sudden some authority finally shows up at your house and the unthinkable happens, they take your guns away and leave you defenseless.
GLENN: Was there no one that said no? Was there no one, was there not a — because I’ve got to tell you, you come for my gun, I am not giving you my gun.
COX: These poor people, if you think about what they had been through, the devastation of that hurricane and just trying to stay alive and probably the hope that they felt in their hearts when they looked out and they saw the good guys coming, people are there to help them out and all of a sudden you have an AR-15 or an M-16 pointed at your head, things change pretty quickly. And again this should never happen. Thanks to the leadership of Governor Bob Jindal when he was in the congress, we were able to get that legislation passed and we’re going to make damn sure what happened in New Orleans never happens again because whether it’s a manmade disaster or a tornado or another hurricane, we’re going to be in one of those sad situations again. It’s only a matter of time. There’s tornadoes going through the country right now. People, when they need to protect themselves need to have the means to protect themselves and no authority, whether it’s local or federal, should be able to take it away from you.