Finally! The legal community moves to lessen sentences on child pornographers!

Yes, it’s the move we’ve all been waiting for.   It’s become an American tradition: you gather with your friends for a barbecue and the conversation inevitably strays to the unfairness of the sentencing of those convicted of child porn.

“Those penalties for watching child porn are just too harsh!  Who’s with me? Pass the macaroni salad.”

It’s amazing, but true.  This is the opinion of the legal community at the moment.   They apparently believe that the problem with Congress is that they keep on increasing the penalty for being caught with child porn. How horrific.

…federal judges and public defenders say repeated moves by Congress to toughen the penalties over the past 25 years have badly skewed the guidelines, to the point where offenders who possess and distribute child pornography can go to prison for longer than those who actually rape or sexually abuse a child.

What is their argument?  It actually seems legitimate on the surface—people who get caught watching child porn are sometimes receiving sentences that are longer than those who are actually molesting children.  Obviously, both crimes are hideous—but I don’t know if there’s anyone out there who thinks people watching the child porn should be in jail longer than the people creating it.

the average sentence for a federal child pornography offense in 2010 was higher than all other offenses except murder and kidnapping. Indeed, the average was about six months higher than for sexual abuse offenders.

This, however, is where common sense leaves the conversation.  There are two ways to right this situation:

A)   Make the sentences of child molesters longer.

B)   Make the sentences of child pornography connoisseurs shorter.

Guess which one they want to do?  If you guessed B, then you know America!

In a 2010 survey of federal judges by the Sentencing Commission, about 70 percent said the proposed ranges of sentences for possession and receipt of child pornography were too high. Demonstrating their displeasure, federal judges issued child porn sentences below the guidelines 45 percent of the time in 2010, more than double the rate for all other crimes.

Troy Stabenow, an assistant federal public defender in Missouri, said the judges’ resistance to the sentencing guidelines was “pretty courageous,”

“They’re doing it knowing they’re likely be lambasted in the media,” he said. “They wouldn’t be doing it unless they really believe a lot of typical offenders they see are not the menace that people assume they are.”

Allow me to lambaste.  I agree, you should go to jail longer for sexually abusing a minor, than downloading a picture of it.  But, the issue here is not that child porn users are punished too harshly.  It’s that child molesters are punished far too leniently.  From An Inconvenient Book , page 181

“Three years, that’s how long the average convicted child molester spends in prison. They receive an average of a seven year sentence, but only three of those years are actually spent in jail.”

Three years?  Seriously?  Make that thirty years (or forever) instead, and magically those child porn sentences start looking a lot more reasonable.  Instead we’re looking to rebrand pedophiles as “minor-attracted” individuals ” and whining about the trials and tribulations of your neighborhood child porn viewer.

Congress sucks, utterly and completely.  But increasing the penalties on child molesters is not the area they deserve criticism in.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Dunne/100000632720916 Tom Dunne

    WOULD CHILD PORN. BE MADE IF THERE WERE NO BUYERS? THE BUYERS DRIVE CHILD PORN.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=674786253 Jenni Zupp Milne

    Hmmm, I wonder what some of these judges have stashed away on their computers at home…?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MFI2DBY4KKKEWREWWMF5Z73RGI Mary

    People kill children in the womb all the time. Using them for sex shouldn’t be that much of a leap.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MFI2DBY4KKKEWREWWMF5Z73RGI Mary

    People kill children in the womb all the time. Using them for sex shouldn’t be that much of a leap.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBW33WAJD3J6WJ7VBHW5FDGQLY SharonL

    Scenario: Perfect family man privately troubled. Searches for answers. In order to stay in a ‘group’ to try and talk to someone must send photos. Doesn’t have any. Copy/paste 3 photos and send. Caught. Charged. Prosecuted. Nothing to bargain with, pleads. Thanks prosecutors for saving his life; he believed his whole life he was the seducer. Sentencing: Brother that abused ‘perfect family man’ for over 14 years starting at age 2 confesses in open statement to court. Perfect family man sentenced to 7 years, already had 2 years house arrest, enhanced probation, lifetime registration as child sex offender, housing restrictions, family moves to provide safe housing and has to move again in two week time period if a day care starts up within 2000 feet. or, a school bus stop, or a Sunday school, or ?? Must attend sex offender classes and hear offenders stories. Must take lie deterctor test each month and check to see if he gets ‘aroused’. Must try to keep charges hidden in prison. Photo, charges, address, made public on line; subject to hate crimes. Spent a year in solitary because charges passed around by guards, wasn’t safe. Everyday a threat to his life. The brother?? retired, living free. Judges have NO way to not apply mandatory, three pictures – distribution. GET REAL!!! Most child sexual abuse occurs within family and friends. Guess what? Family members don’t have to register on line publicly. So, CONTINUE IN YOUR RUSH TO GIVE THEM A SCARLET LETTER; LULL YOURSELF INTO THINKING YOUR SAFE. IT’S NOT THE STRANGER, IT’S THE TEACHER, THE BABYSITTER, THE DAY CARE, COUSIN NANCY, UNCLE BOB, OTHER SIBLINGS AND NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS. QUIT PERSECUTING PEOPLE LITERALLY OUT OF EXISTENCE. DESTROYING THEIR ONLY SUPPORT AND HELP. WHERE DO YOU THINK VICTIMS OF CHILD ABUSE, ESPECIALLY MEN, GO FOR HELP? WHEN THEY MENTALLY BELIEVE THE ONLY PERSON THAT EVER LOVED THEM WASN’T ABUSING THEM; THAT THEY THEMSELVES MUST BE THE ABUSER AND LIVE A LIFE OF SELF HATRED.

  • http://twitter.com/miniskunkz Minerva Skunk

    I agree with stiffer penalties for child molesters, however, if they should fix one thing about the laws, it’s how child porn is defined. If a parent possesses a naked picture of their children guess what, law enforcement can charge you with being in possession of child porn! The picture needs to clearly show a sexual act not just nakedness in order to be classified as porn. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBW33WAJD3J6WJ7VBHW5FDGQLY SharonL

    I agree Minerva, more injustice: a teenage boy ‘relieves’ himself at a beach thinking he isn’t being seen. Arrested, charged, photo and charges, life time registration as a sex offender. How about the school where teenage boys were sending around some old photos of one of their ‘girl’ friends slumber party from years ago? young preteens laughing and running around without their shirts and only bras? Charged, sentenced, photographed, register for life as child predator, sex offender; all the housing and job discrimination listed. Some by state or county, some by federal. Notice; prosecutors and politicians grab the big headlines; child sex ring busted! Full weight of law comes down as prosecutors throw the book at them; they have a good defense but, no Mens Rea, in the laws congress passed. Mens Rea is ‘guilty mind’. Law used to be 2 part:  criminal act and intention to commit crime. Rampant throughout the congressional laws is the absence of this defense. Additionally, no private person has the funds to fight the DOJ, ICE, and Federal Courts; therefore, no defenses are presented; the public never hears the truth. Check out overcriminalized.com for a quick course in our nation of new laws; every American is breaking laws daily they aren’t even aware of. Perfect Family Man below in my post was told LIFE SENTENCE if he chose trial.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBW33WAJD3J6WJ7VBHW5FDGQLY SharonL

    @STU:disqus , please read the comments and get more information; I’m afraid you are beating the drum through the village crying ‘ADULTRESS’ as she walked through in shame. The modern day Leper, the Untouchable, is driven out of all communities and wears their SO or CP label. The average public is ‘frightened’ into condoning this ongoing persecution, because they are uninformed. Protecting our children is vitally important; a sacred trust. Thinking these congressional laws accomplish that task is blind ignorance.  Both parents working, no one at home, no one watching but family or neighbors?  Be wary of Uncle Fred or sister Betty, or brother John. I do believe that is what GBTV is about? Speaking Truth? You need to dig and educate yourself more on what’s happening to this group of citizens caught up in their own ‘crystal night’. I have no pity for those who abuse children. The laws now decree my old family photos of my great grandparents standing outside over the galvanized tub my brother and I are taking a bath in is now labeled child porn. It is more rampant that you think. A career prosecutor and DA or politician or judge scores BIG when they can ‘destroy a human being’ for 3 photos sent to 3 people = 20 years mandatory if you can’t plead down. No other criminal history, no stash of child photos, NO INTENT TO HARM A CHILD, prosecutors insist to look at a photo is the same as if you raped the child. One needs to ask, Why was someone looking? Perhaps to see if there were any children smiling? believe it or not.
     

  • The River

    Let me tell you a story…
    My son was just about to turn 18 years old and graduate from high school with  all B’s.  However he didn’t quite make it to his 18th birthday or his high school graduation.  He was found dead from an apparent suicide on March 30, 2012.  I had had contact with my son for almost 13 years.  His mother told me to go away and do nothing but pay child support.  This was to hide the abuse that he was receiving from his mother’s live in boyfriend.  This monster not only physically and emotionally abused my son but he also sexually abused him.  Now here’s the real tragedy!  There were over 14 separate records of contact with child protective services with that family.  Every single last one of them was closed and marked unsubstantiated.  The abuser of my son still walks free today.  There is no investigation on him because child protective services dropped the ball.  My son got in some trouble about two years ago and the only way I found out about it was when I was informed by child support enforcement at my child support that I and was paying would be directed to the state instead of the mother.  When I called and asked about what kind of trouble he was and and what I could do to help him I was given all sorts of things and then suddenly they wouldn’t talk to me more.  He was released from state custody last August.  His mother’s boyfriend was no longer in the picture.  But his uncle and his uncle’s friend were right there to pick up where the live in boyfriend left off.  My son was too to give a deposition against his uncle and his friend very next Thursday.  Yet he was found with a plastic bag over his head and an oxygen tube up his nose with the tube connected to a propane cylinder.  Child molesters, child pornographers, child abusers, all need to go to jail.  No correct that they need a go under the jail.  The hardest thing I have accepting in my child’s death is how they could find so many instances of abuse and yet every one of them was unsubstantiated.  I’m kind of the belief that if there is so much smoke there’s got to be fire.  End child abuse!  End child molestation!  End child pornography!  Our children are our most vital national resource!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBW33WAJD3J6WJ7VBHW5FDGQLY SharonL

    @ The River, my heart goes out to you and the only comfort I can offer is that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Your son is no longer being tormented and abused and God understands, knows the truth and there will be God’s justice. ‘Perfect Family Man’ was committing suicide, all planned, till the raid. That’s why he thanked them for saving his life; he finally got to the truth of what had happened to him. There are so many more like your son and, again, it wasn’t a stranger that abused him. It was two family relatives and a live in boyfriend. This is what the public doesn’t see. And, no, they don’t seem to care about prosecuting ‘family’ members; keep it all private you know.  Perfect Family Man’s son asked the court, what about my uncle that did this to my father for 14 years? across state lines? will he be charged? Prosecution and judge say, ‘no’ it’s not in the parameters of this ‘sting operation’. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBW33WAJD3J6WJ7VBHW5FDGQLY SharonL

    The
    chance of The River’s son turning out to be Perfect Family Man would have been about 90
    or so percent.  His suicide to me would be based on charging someone he
    loved and believed was showing him love..and the circle will always
    continue.  If you have these problems and seek help, you are convicted. 
    Not everything is cut and dried.  Most molesters are victims of
    molestation..

     

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Terrill-Lamb/100002708687655 Terrill Lamb

    Why would we be suprised after last years announcement by psychiatrists and psycologists that they would like the term pedophile changed to “minor attracted individuals” because it’s less condeming and wouldn’t hurt their patients feelings so much……

    World, I hardly know ya.

  • Anonymous

    Yes. Now we see the vileness that has overtaken America. The Bible says evil men and seducers will wax worse and worse. It is coming to pass.

  • Anonymous

    That was my thought EXACTLY.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jams-Mates/100003795997316 Jams Mates

    We need to contact our congressmen/women about increasing child molester’s sentence to the double length of the child porn’s jail term, while keeping child porn’s present term! Especially, if the child is under age 13 years, triple the sentence.  

    But first of all, we need a law that prohibits parents taking their kids under 13 to  watch any sexually engaging scenes that is rated ‘R’ under ‘parental guidance’ 

    Also, we need to increase children’s awareness of possible child molestors in their lives by putting warning signs while playng TV program or internet program with any sexual act, “If any adult including your parents try to do any of these sexual acts to you, say ‘No” and tell your parents or any adult you feel safe and you can trust, or call 911 and report it over the phone.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jams-Mates/100003795997316 Jams Mates

    So much more resist since they personlly know the pain of being victims of child molestation themselves. There is no excuse for molesting children.  They can always turn away, and say ‘NO’ to the urge or innervoice or to any attraction towards children they claim to feel.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBW33WAJD3J6WJ7VBHW5FDGQLY SharonL

     River’s son and Perfect Family Man were molested for years. Neither turned and molested others. On committed suicide; the other believed he was the seducer; his ‘deliverance’ came when he finally got help and saw that he was only 2 years old and his brother was 12 years old. In trying to find answers, he was caught in a sting. As we speak, he is in grave mortal danger of being killed in prison. Labeled a child molester; but only a victim and the molester is free; no one will prosecute; no headlines!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBW33WAJD3J6WJ7VBHW5FDGQLY SharonL

     James; I don’t think you’re reading some of the posts. If you will research you will find the molesters are brothers, sisters, cousins, neighbor, trusted teacher; not the stranger. Victims trying to understand what happened to them are caught up in internet stings. Not all child porn offenders are the demons you are thinking of; the ones that are rally photographing and producing have a lot to bargain with for reduced charges; the ones that seem to be serving for their entire lives are the victims left from the last generation of molesters. Do some more reading; then, please, write your congressman. The law is not accomplishing what it was intended to do.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GVB7WFQYTPBRSL4SI6BAN4ADWE Robinfirst name

    Unfortunately if it were animal abuse there would be pitchforks! We need the same for children, or maybe even worse!

  • http://twitter.com/itsBarberelli Barberelli

    I am so past the point of disgust with how some of the creepy parents in America and the people in Congress WHO DON’T SEEM TO CARE ABOUT OUR CHILDREN!!!!!…. when you watch a movie, at the beginning, they all say if you copy and distribute this movie you will be fined a maximum of $100k and jailed for about 12 years (don’t remember exact year amount) – THE POINT IT they care more about a damn movie THAN A CHILD!!!!!! That always makes me sick every time I see this in movies, it reminds me of how lenient they are with rapists, and creepy child perverts. WHERE IS THEIR MINDS??? I am currently writing an article on this and feel like I am at a brick wall when I look out at the community (some of those creepy heartless parents who put their child in whorish beauty pageants, etc)  and the creeps in congress… I feel like I’m on my own and nobody in the world cares about kids BECAUSE YOU SEE THESE CREEPY RESULTS. I’m going insane. Sometimes I wish I could take all my tears and use them to drown those creepy perverts in a big world size fish bowl and leave our kids alone.  Everywhere you look – pornographic ads, etc. Congress makes me sick. I could go on forever but I really should finish my article and pack my kids lunch for tomorrow…. Thanks for caring enough to write this article for people to read and bringing it to our attention how much more creepier “our” or shall I say “the” congress is…. because it is no longer “ours”. Please keep us informed and also help guide us on  how to kick congress in the butt to do the right thing. Again, thanks.

  • quietwolf

    There can be only one punishment for CHILD MOLESTERS, RAPISTS, MURDERS,  TRAITORS and TERRORISTS that is death. All this talk about rehabilitation, counseling is wasted compassion for people who deserve none. This stealth attack on our beliefs by all these changes in words considered to “harsh or demeaning” is ridiculous and simply an attempt by the left to make the unacceptable acceptable. There’s a reason for these labels to be “harsh and demeaning” it’s to describe those who commit them in words that don’t allow ambiguity or misunderstanding to creep in.

  • http://twitter.com/itsBarberelli Barberelli

    …..I must add something else… Stu, there is a huge war against our children to the point where they are ACTUALLY trying to rid of the picture book. Sorry, I know this isn’t the exact topic here, but it’s still about kids… I had just looked into my email and someone mailed me a link that it is actually in despite to rid children of picture books.

    This is the beginning of what the email says:

    The New York Times featured an article by Arts Beat columnist, Julie Bosman, entitled “Picture Books No Longer a Staple for Children,”
    which sparked a national debate as to whether or not the picture book
    was going the way of the dinosaur. Within hours of print, and continuing
    for months, experts in the field of children’s literature unleashed an
    assault on the idea of the death of this “institution.”

    Stu, they are actually trying to rid of the picture book. This is actually now a debate with our government… Stu, every time I turn my head I keep getting grossed out and they keep throwing bricks at our children’s faces… Ugh. Sigh. I surely don’t have a voice to reach millions but you do. I don’t know what to do and this is just driving me crazy.

  • Anonymous

    So I guess they would balk at the death penalty for thse crimes

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBW33WAJD3J6WJ7VBHW5FDGQLY SharonL

    So many of you don’t know what the laws are!! Like Obamacare, you haven’t read it; looked at the detail. Most of you are ready to kill people without knowing truth; how scary is that? Have you lost the ability to read, investigate and understand to make informed decisions? or are you  jumping off the ‘lemming cliff’. Today’s children, the RAP music, the explicit sex in movies and TV, the indoctrination of children in the school on gender equity, introducing these topics at the age of innocence; when your children express natural curiosity? these are the confused teens and adults in our near future. Are you prepared to kill them now? When they try to find the answers to why they are messed up will you be there to pull the switch on them? If they look on line for answers, are you prepared to ‘blow them away’. You need to know how incidious many of the definitions of crime are. Murder; serve your sentence; free, no registry, no restricitons. Dismember a child but don’t have sex, serve your time, free, no registry. Look at and send 3 photos; 20 years, mandatory life registration and public notice of where you and your family live; serve your time, can then be made to serve indefinitely in a state mental hospital; depending on your probation officer you might not be able to have sexual relations with your wife, if there were any children in your home they are taken by the court; your assets are seized, if you don’t have a job or a residence you break probation rules and are sent back to prison where you live in 24/7 fear of being killed by prisoners with the same mentality of some on this blog. Protect Children, ABSOLUTELY. Your next door neighbor may have kidnapped, beaten and dismembered a child and, because there were no photos or proven sex acts they aren’t on the registry; they aren’t under surveillance. Those of you thinking you are safe by wiping out prisoners serving sentences for ‘child porn’ possession (definitions that would include most every family photo album) are void of truth and knowledge. Focus on your fear and hatred and do nothing to broaden your knowledge and you are no better than all the hate groups throughout history.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBW33WAJD3J6WJ7VBHW5FDGQLY SharonL

     So many of you don’t know what the laws are!! Like Obamacare, you
    haven’t read it; looked at the detail. Most of you are ready to kill
    people without knowing truth; how scary is that? Have you lost the
    ability to read, investigate and understand to make informed decisions?
    or are you  jumping off the ‘lemming cliff’. Today’s children, the RAP
    music, the explicit sex in movies and TV, the indoctrination of children
    in the school on gender equity, introducing these topics at the age of
    innocence; when your children express natural curiosity? these are the
    confused teens and adults in our near future. Are you prepared to kill
    them now? When they try to find the answers to why they are messed up
    will you be there to pull the switch on them? If they look on line for
    answers, are you prepared to ‘blow them away’. You need to know how
    incidious many of the definitions of crime are. Murder; serve your
    sentence; free, no registry, no restricitons. Dismember a child but
    don’t have sex, serve your time, free, no registry. Look at and send 3
    photos; 20 years, mandatory life registration and public notice of where
    you and your family live; serve your time, can then be made to serve
    indefinitely in a state mental hospital; depending on your probation
    officer you might not be able to have sexual relations with your wife,
    if there were any children in your home they are taken by the court;
    your assets are seized, if you don’t have a job or a residence you break
    probation rules and are sent back to prison where you live in 24/7 fear
    of being killed by prisoners with the same mentality of some on this
    blog. Protect Children, ABSOLUTELY. Your next door neighbor may have
    kidnapped, beaten and dismembered a child and, because there were no
    photos or proven sex acts they aren’t on the registry; they aren’t under
    surveillance. Those of you thinking you are safe by wiping out
    prisoners serving sentences for ‘child porn’ possession (definitions
    that would include most every family photo album) are void of truth and
    knowledge. Focus on your fear and hatred and do nothing to broaden your
    knowledge and you are no better than all the hate groups throughout
    history.

  • Anonymous

    I will keep it short I have 4 children 2 boy’s and 2 girl’s they have all been tought to NOT go to the so called authorities !
    Due to the fact that the punk’s that do these thing’s never get what they have coming to them !
    USE IT AS A WEAPON I’LL CUT IT OFF AND SCREW IT TO THE HOOD OF MY TRUCK AND IF YOU THINK THIS IS TO MUCH THAN JUST CLOSE YOUR EYE’S !
    Some DAD’S just don’t play fair BEWARE FREAK’S we are out here and this is NO  B.S. !!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBW33WAJD3J6WJ7VBHW5FDGQLY SharonL

    FYI; sentencing guideline for Pefect Family Man charges; copy/pasted 3 pictures to maintain contact to try and talk to someone and understand what had happened to him.
    Replied ‘to all’.equals the following charges:
    2252(A)g  enterprise  w separate
    felonies (3 pictures of different people) sent to 3 people…20 to
    life.   2252(b)  One or more contact with the intent to distribute child
    porn 5 to 20 on a criminal level of 1 meaning 1st offense in any category,or up to 35 if criminal 2 or 3

    No money to fight; request a trial? threatened with LIFE; plead and nothing to give them to convict others; equals 2 years house arrest, 7 years in prison fearing death, life time registration as a sexual predator; living, working restricitons forever, potential to be kept after 7 years if anyone decides to do so; public posting of charges and home address; endangerment of his family; must move in two weeks time if a park opens, a Sunday school opens, a day care opens, a bus stop is put in. Can’t attend church, can’t go to a shopping mall, can’t travel without stopping frequently to buy something, anything, to prove his location in case a child goes missing; subject to home invasion anytime; lie detector once a month to check for any ‘arousal’, etc. etc.

    Problem is the brother that molested him brutally for 14 years beginning at age 2 is retired and living free even though he gave full statement at sentencing. Also, the music teacher that sexually abused the brother and then dropped him for another choice of student, causing the brother to use Perfect Family Man as a substitute, was also never charged.

    Result, the victim is ‘serving for life’, the molestors are free.
    WAKE UP

  • Anonymous

    One in four adult men have been abused sexually.  They will not, in most cases, be forthright about this.  Men tend to blame themselves, for there is little in society to help them …they asked for it, etc.  So, one in four, that is 25 percent of our population.  If 25 percent have been abused, would you then state that those 25 percent will abuse, and who abused the 25 percent to start with?  One in ten in this country are felons.  If you can really believe that someone who has in their possession 10 child porn photos, or copies 3 and sends to 3 people deserve 20 to life in prison, no where to live, work, etc. when they get out, that in itself is a society that I would not want to live in.

    We don’t tell others if we have someone convicted of assault, murder, meth lab, drug ring, etc. living next to us, our schools, etc.  These felons can live anywhere, go to the mall, etc.  I bet they can even go to Mc Donalds at the playland area…The comings and goings of people at the home next door to you, drug dealers, you will never be informed of.  These people who frequent these homes are guess what, right by your house, next to your children, can live next to the school. 

    The answer is not to keep them in longer, for there is less than a 5 percent chance anyone reoffends, and those are of the svp (sexual violent pred).  That would mean rape, hands on with violence. 

    I can tell you this, if you keep pushing them more and more away, 2000 ft, 5000 ft,, they have cars….ta da!  The farther away they are, if deemed to reoffend, the farther neighbors are. 

    There are far more drug dealers and manufacturers who harm are children in ways they can not usually overcome, even with intense drug treatment, than sex offenders.  There are more deaths of our children from overdose, than from sex offenders.  You can pass laws but they are still out there.  You should just spend your time watching and being with your children, like I am with mine…for the life of me I can not memorize all the faces on that Megan’s list…

  • Anonymous

    Objectively speaking. What this tells me is what the judges are doing in  their spare time ( fill in the blank) . sorry, as a father of five I ask where is the death penalty when you need it. What should be done is to put down the creators of child porn, no more prison. then put the users away for the rest of their natural lives and place them in the population of those prisoners who arefathers and serial killers.We know without question that there is no treatment or recovery  of these pervs. the criminal system has proven it. I am even having a problem reading about these people and worse yet the judges make me vomit.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBW33WAJD3J6WJ7VBHW5FDGQLY SharonL

     I am an avid protector of our children; mother of three. However, louisk, you are totally uninformed as to the current sentencing guidelines; the people and families being targeted; the molesters not being imprisoned! , the victims however are committing suicide, looking for answers on the internet and being thrown to the wolves in the prison system. Why don’t you read from the ‘oldest’ comment to the newest and you may hear some things you don’t know. Do it for your children.

  • http://twitter.com/Charlen64 Sheila Allen

    There is more to the complete picture than most others are willing to look into.  First of all, I personally know of someone that became exposed at a very early age (elementary), to porn.  It started out as adult porn, another young student (4th grade) brought a playboy magazine to school and passed it around in the library while they had a substitute, only to get busted. (thank goodness).  Now, this was something the young man became intrigued with and his affliction became more intense over years of exposure.  This young man had not so good social schools and the one friend (best) he had, died in a drowing accident during the summer right before 3rd grade, which had a tremendous affect on him. Now as the young man got older his mother found several adult porn DVD’s in his room and they went round and round and she threw every single one away.  Only to discover a large collection of adult porn again 3 years later and again, she threw them away. This young man was busted for possession of child porn within the last year.  He didn’t physically hurt anyone (thank goodness), but was sent to jail for 10 months, without bond, (and he had never been in trouble before) until his recent sentencing.  He received 8-1/2 years for possession of child pornography.This is a huge problem in the world and these type of offenders need HELP!!!!! Do you get it??  They need HELP!  This young man is a very good, loving, caring, sensitive and kind-hearted individual who was intrigued with such trash and because of such longevity of exposure had his mindset overtaken and became addicted and his brain damaged.So, yes, some type of punishment is necessary, but 8-1/2 years is insane. It’s easy for others to point the finger and judge and condemn when they are not educated with the harmful effects from being exposed to porn, especially as a young innocent child, and then becoming interested in child porn yourself.Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/04/29/3207080/debate-rages-over-severity-of.html#storylink=cpy

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBW33WAJD3J6WJ7VBHW5FDGQLY SharonL

     Shiela, I find friends and public seemingly have a ‘mindset’ that shuts down any reasonable attempt to discuss these problems; the reality of those being sentenced to unbelievable long prison terms for ‘no hands on’ child abuse. They base their judgement on fear. The absence of knowledge allows fear to breed. I am so fearful for the children in and starting into our school systems; the ‘gender identification’ and that there are 3 genders?? or more. What do people think these children will do? when their innocence is destroyed even more than the TV, Music, Movies and Videos, Hollywood, already portrays inappropriate sexual conduct. The national agenda enforcing this philosphy. Forcing God out and putting in what? Confusing sexual identity; undermining parental authority; calling mention of God and morality ‘hate speak’. I know God knows; I know He hears His children; much like He heard those in Sodom and Gomorrah. Perfect Family Man in the third post and Rivers’ son are examples of the unbelievable damage done by molesters. River’s son commited suicide; Family Man is serving in prison while his abuser is free. People don’t understand how skewed the laws are and how hungry career prosecutors and politicians are to boost their popularity by ‘crushing’ any and all that come there way with a photograph.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Irina-Krasnyuk/745534442 Irina Krasnyuk

    How to make it better? Aks Tony.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Irina-Krasnyuk/745534442 Irina Krasnyuk

    Finally, we are not talking about testesterone levers.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TNXB3TTIL3BTZWWWTAYW6QMNSU Z

    I completely agree with your observations and opinions.  The truth is how you describe it….the world is so upside down and our children are the hope for the future!  We have to protect them so the future is protected!!! These sickos in Congress need to be voted out!

  • Anonymous

    watching CP, creating CP, not much difference there in my eyes. On another related topic, I recently read somewhere that the sentence for molesting a child are at the same level or beyond the level of punishment for murdering a child. Pedo kidnaps a child, rapes and then murders him/her (as opposed to just raping), to 1) get rid of the only witness, and 2) get a lesser charge if they happen to ever get caught. You hear about all these kids going missing (at least 2 in Tucson recently with attempts on several other), and with the laws on the books as they are now, as sad as the situation is, there is no incentive whatsoever for kidnappers to keep their victims alive. Its far more beneficial to them to just murder them and be done with it.

    Maybe if the severity of the punishments were different, more kids would be returned home alive :/

  • Sherrie & John Beil

    Maybe all those sickO’s in Congress have fantasies about young girls and that’s why they won’t make Sentences any longer? Just a thought.  AND….if we think it’s OK to kill babies before they’re born, then why not this too?

  • http://www.facebook.com/Rowsdower23 Lane Russell

    Ummm…wow. Just…wow.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dianne-Long/100000271188687 Dianne Long

    Do any of you know what happens to a child molestre who is sent to prison?  Although not mixed into the “community” or “general population” because of the “pay back” situation, most of them do receive what they did to a child.  Actually, it is worse and it can kill them.  Just ask anyone who has ever spent time in a prison or, in some way, been made aware of what happens in prisons.  Should the pornography distributors be dealt with the same way?  Frankly, I think they deserve it.  The actual abusers deserve longer sentences and less opportunities for parole.  If their self esteem is injured because of what people say about them, then so be it.  They brought that on themselves.  They know right from wrong.  They simply do not allow that to get in the way of the fulfillment of their crazy urges.  Castration is too good for them….  Their punishment needs to fit their crime.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FVONTN7NFYTGM7O4B4QIGRMWAU Ling Ling

    ….because most Federal judges are jews, and it is allowed in the jewish religion to have sex with minors, especially if they are Christian!

  • http://profiles.google.com/joebbowers Joe Bowers

    Glenn, you moron. How about you read some of the studies that demonstrate that harsher punishments and longer sentences actually lead to increased crime rates. How about you read the studies that show that access to pornography lowers incidences of sexual assault.

    In other words, lowering sentences or even legalizing possession (not production) of child pornography will lead to a reduction of actual abuse, and fewer victims. I doubt that will change your opinion, as this isn’t really about protecting children, it’s about keeping our privately-run for-profit prisons full to pay dividends to the shareholders– which are mostly congressmen and senators of course.

  • Anonymous

    I’m more upset that merely having pornographic images of children
    garners a harsher sentencing than having indecent liberties with a
    minor. Their reasoning, that those that possess are more likely to
    sexually abuse, is flawed; most abuse victims are abused by caregivers
    and not from strangers across the country/world staring at images of
    people they don’t know or will never meet. The ‘reasoning’ that victims
    have to relive the action every time it is viewed or downloaded also is
    also flawed: that’s like saying that anytime anyone sees a an uploaded
    picture of someone sunburned at the beach, that the burnt person KNOWS
    that the pic has been viewed and feels the burn. Children are more
    susceptible to others’ opinions of them, but since they are the victims,
    they did nothing wrong so shouldn’t feel guilty; as well, whereas
    adults’ general appearances and identities stay the same essentially for
    the rest of their lives, children grow up and their past is unknown to
    all but those they deemed necessary to tell about.
    Those that view(ed) CP have a very low chance of actually going out and abusing a
    child and given how the Internet has made these images widespread, very
    unlikely to have ever met/meet those photographed/videotaped. Somehow,
    those possessing CP are a greater threat to society than rapists,
    robbers, or actual people that have had sexual relations with a minor?
    Using the flawed argument of possessing = WILL-commit-crime, then we can
    say the same about cigarettes, alcohol, and fried foods. We don’t want
    anyone getting asthma or dying of lung disease/cancer, they might get
    buzzed easily and go kill someone in a fit of rage or DUI, or getting
    overweight, having health problems, then burdening themselves, their
    families, and insurance companies with related-healthcare costs.
    So
    much money and time are put in to prosecuting those with CP with the
    intent of protecting children and rehabilitating those with the
    material, but again the child(ren)’s in the image(s) that were
    viewed/stored, never were in any danger from those that were prosecuted.
    Punishment and rehab would include years of social stigma for not even
    touching a child, yet our laws make it easier for rapists and armed
    robbers – people known to have used violence to get what they
    want – to reintegrate into society.

  • Anonymous

    I do agree that the child porn laws need to be reduced.  My husband is in prison and got 5 years for just viewing the material on Limewire.  Most of those files did not appear to be child porn until you downloaded them.  THIS IS ENTRAPMENT!  My husband took pysch evaluations and lie detecters tests that came out to be he was unlikely to commit this crime.  computers are not going away, it is only going to be enhanced in the future.  There should also be different stages of this crime, not just in one category.  First offense should not get you 5 yrs, maybe supervised probation, but not this.  I have been trying for 9 months to figure out the justice system, well this is not justice.  My husband owned a business, has a family, and was respected in the community, now that was demolished when a district judge gave him 5 yrs for possession.

  • findingtruth90

    There should most definitely be a tier system. Most prosecutors even agree that the laws were created with good intentions but the sad truth is it insnares everyone BUT who it was designed for. To many times we hear stories about prosocuters throwing the book at people because they are trying to get “their numbers or of young men being charged with possession and dissemination of child pornography and the minimum sentence is 6yr and a lifetime registration. Most of these images were of their girlfriends who happen to be underage when they themselves were 18. The offense is a class X felony. This means that no matter how innocent the circumstances the law is min 6 yrs plus life registration. The judge has no say. So society has ruined this poor mans future because these bigoted morons think that every person charged with these offenses are pedophiles after their kids. I just don’t understand why this is with how everyone and everything has to be so P.C. and its so horrible to stereotype people yet they do this to these poor people. Dont get me wrong some of these people are just sick. but thats more so true with the “hands on” offenders. However i dont think its right to ruin someones life over images no matter how horrible and sick they may be. I think it all comes down to intent with this crime (possession of child porn) at least. I mean someone could genuinely be turned on by children and yeah they deserve to go away forever. However in the cases of an 18 yr old guy with a 16yr old gf or even guys that are seriously addicted to porn and d/l it out of a compulsion to obtain and save all types of porn (yes this is actually a thing) no matter if they are turned on by it or not. The point is the legal system is flawed and there is no easy answer to any of this, but its ruining lives and quick action needs to happen.

  • findingtruth90

    STFU you moron. Its not that simple. Its like this BS “war on drugs” the laws were made to capture the makers of drugs….but wait….how many drug producers are caught?….that’s right almost none. These laws DO NOT work! The same applies to child porn and molesters. Its not black and white and with the addition of emerging technologies that are just simply mot compatible with these laws. Fear, ignorance, and plain laziness drive the harsher and harsher punishments for people that have a treatable problem instead of putting time and resources in finding the sources of these sick people. Would you just cut off the top of a weed in hopes of killing it? Or do u get it at its root! Educate yourself.

  • Deborah Hogan

    There can be only one punishment for inhumanity and ignorance like yours Quitewolf. You are a disease to society. Not all cases are the same. Why have a justice system at all? You seem to be judge, jury, and executioner. Jumping on your bandwagon is like the witch hunts. You should be quiet as your name suggest. Everyone makes a mistake in life. Your sickness is why we have more prisons and prisoners than any other country. The USA is the Land of the Imprisoned. Your dictatorship theories and your lack of intelligence and compassion clearly shows. With others like you, the sickness of harsh on crimes continues. Prisons cost money. Not only to the prisoners but the families that are destroyed also. Justice is not just! It just is! Prosecutors seem to have no limitations. They rarely get even admonished for cruel and unfair tactics. If you are not well off, then you are at the mercy of an over worked public defender of which some are sadly to say uncaring. You are not innocent until proven guilty. You are guilty until proven innocent. When filing any legal documents the prosecution or state or federal courts have few limitations on time constraints, but if you are the convicted you have short time constraints to even contest. It is a nightmare. So if a person has anxiety/depression you think that they should be eliminated from society!!! People are not perfect and they make mistakes. With rehabilitation most people can be helped. There are very few that are truly evil. Prisons where supposed to be for rehabilitation. but now are overcrowded and understaffed because of harsh and long sentences. Prisons are strictly punishment, The USA spends more money on prisons and prisoners than education. It is so sad to see that most prisons are overcrowded. These prisons have guidelines and rules to run by. It is not ok for that prison to break the rules with overcrowding, understaffing, and inhumane treatment. They also prolong paroles. The prison system can break the rules and laws while the courts and judicial system continues to overlook this and allow it to happen. In some surveys 70 percent of the people think the judicial system is broken. There is no excuse for inhumanity in this modern world. What happened to God, Family, and Country. People like you. Inhumanity with no compassion.

  • Rachel L. Oliver

    Toddhobbs,
    As for you I feel your pain.
    My husband to be was involved in a DUI back in late November. He served his time for his dui was due to be released the Sunday after his trial. When he got apprehended he asked the officer to look into his phone and get my friends number to tell her what happened and he took it too far. The Sunday he was due to get released I get a phone call and my unborn babies daddy is in tears and I asked whats the matter he said that he got hit with cp charges on the phone that he asked the officer to get a phone number out of and I know that officer went over the line. Now my man got transferred to another facility on 12/17/2013. Between the times I talked to him and he got transferred I have misscarried his child never told him that I did til recently and now hes awaiting his final charges in jail where he doesn’t belong because in my heart and soul I know he didnt put that crap on his phone. Anyways we still talk til we find out whats what. Til then I wish that there was an easier way to talk then on here cus it hurts to read some of these stories because they either are either b.s or to much for me to handle. I just turned thirty on the fifteenth and he might be sentenced any where for 10-110+ years. He has written a letter to some official of the law. I dont know if its a lawyer or what hr told me he asked to take the plea of guilty of five counts equivalent to somethin I cant remember but he could serve up to 8 1/2 years andvserve time concurrent or something like that