Rumors of War: Glenn interviews Joel Rosenberg

Obama's strongly worded letters to Iran aren't really doing the trick. They still want to wipe America off the map. Hopefully the President will watch our latest original documentary, “Rumors of War” (TONIGHT at 8pm on Insider Extreme: http://www.glennbeck.com/extreme) so he can get informed on arguably the most dangerous regime in the world. Watch it TONIGHT!

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Tonight, Glenn’s latest documentary Rumors of War debuts on Insider Extreme. Glenn interviewed Joel Rosenberg, author of The Twelfth Imam, who contributed to the special.

“ There are a few people that I have met in my -- in my career in the last ten years, and there are just a handful that I think really truly believe what they say, really truly are trying to find the answer and let the chips fall where they may, and are willing to say the insane or dangerous thing because they've tried to explain it away and they -- no matter what they try to do, it won't go away.  The facts are the facts.  Joel Rosenberg is one of those guys,” Glenn said in his introduction.

“Joel, do you want to explain why I named this the documentary Rumors of War? ,” Glenn asked.

Rosenberg said that the title comes from the Bible in a passage where Jesus was asked when he would return. In his response, he said among the signs of his return would be false prophets and rumors of war, and Rosenberg believes that the Twelfth Imam is one of those false prophets.

When asked about Iran, once called Persia’s, relationship with nazi Germany, Rosenberg said. “In the trailer, you know, you make the point that if Ahmadinejad and Khomeini, the current leaders of Iran, are able to get a nuclear warhead and attach it to a high-speed ballistic missile -- they haven't done it yet but they're getting closer -- they could do in six minutes what Adolf Hitler took about six years to do and that is to kill six million Jews.  And that isn't their ultimate objective, as horrifying as it is.  Israel is the little Satan in their end times theology.  We, the United States, are the Great Satan, and yet it isn't meriting the serious attention of The President.”

“Well, because nobody wants to think these things are true.  We are living in a world of illusion, of advertising tricks, PR, propaganda, and people don't ever want to think that those things are true, that people actually would do those things,” Glenn said.

Rosenberg said, “[Iranian leaders] believe it so deeply.  It's why I wrote the novel last fall The Twelfth Imam which I was, I have to say I was surprised.  With everything else political going on and the country focused on economic issues which are very serious, it still was a New York Times best seller.  I think people really do have a sense that he things that the Iranian leadership are saying, that those guys actually believe it and that there are implications for us, for Israel, for our allies that our government and others aren't taking as seriously as need be, given the genocide that the Iranian leadership is talking about.”

Glenn also discussed the ending of the documentery, which draws comparisons between the actions of the Iranian government and the Book of Revelations. He asked Joel Rosenberg if he thought the Twelfth Imam could be compared to the biblical Anti-Christ.

“I think that it's, in broad strokes it is very true.  There are a lot of similarities.  You know, one of the questions I got asked in the Twelfth Imam book tour was do you believe biblically from an evangelical Christian perspective that the Twelfth Imam should this person come.  We don't know that he is but Jesus warned a false Messiah, would this be the Antichrist.  And I would just say -- and I'm not sure we have the time to get into it in detail but I don't think this is the Antichrist, capital A,” Rosenberg commented.

Rosenberg also told an interesting story from news that emerges over this past summer.

“Last summer, I'm not sure if you're aware, last summer in July the Ayatollah Khomeini, the supreme leader of Iran said publicly that he had met with the twelfth imam.  Now, what was odd about that is that nobody knows what he's talking about.  Is this a person?  Is this a vision that he had?  A dream?  Some sort of spirit?  But three weeks later in July of last year he said publicly that he is the official representative of the twelfth imam on Earth and therefore must be obeyed.  It was significant in two parts.  One, because he now believes this isn't just a theory that he believes but a reality that's about to emerge.  Stepping out in front of Ahmadinejad and saying, yes, Ahmadinejad's been taking about this but I am now the spokesman.  And that was a significant change.”

Rumors of War debuts tonight at 8pm ET on Insider Extreme.

Full Transcript below:

GLENN:  There are a few people that I have met in my -- in my career in the last ten years, and there are just a handful that I think really truly believe what they say, really truly are trying to find the answer and let the chips fall where they may, and are willing to say the insane or dangerous thing because they've tried to explain it away and they -- no matter what they try to do, it won't go away.  The facts are the facts.  Joel Rosenberg is one of those guys.  Joel was working for the Israeli government for a while, was an advisor for prime minister, I think it was Benjamin Netanyahu, I can't remember, and he is a newfound Christian and converted and was really looking into, you know, scriptures.  And he was on a plane and he and the prime minister were talking about something and he realized, oh, dear heavens, that's a sign.  And dedicated his life to this because he really truly believes we are living in dangerous times.  And I don't want to put words in his mouth, but the end times?  Quite possibly.  How long that time lasts is, you know, beyond us.  He is also a guy that when I started looking into the twelfth imam and I started to have that conversation with my own research team and I started saying, well, wait a minute, wait a minute, I think this is the exact opposite.  This is the bad guy to the Christians.  But to the Twelvers in Iran, he's the good guy.  And the story lines match up almost identically to the book of Revelation except it's the polar opposite.  Joel believes some of these things, many of these things, and so do I.  And he has dedicated his life to get the word out.  Joel Rosenberg is on with us now.  Hello, Joel, how are you?

ROSENBERG:  Good to be with you again, Glenn.  How are you?  I'm good.

GLENN:  Very good.  You're the author of The Twelfth Imam and you also have helped us on the Part One of Rumors of War.  I'm getting e-mail this morning:  Why did you name it Rumors of War, Glenn?  Joel, do you want to explain why I named this the documentary Rumors of War?

ROSENBERG:  I'm just spit-balling here, but I'm thinking it was from Matthew Chapter 24 where when Jesus was asked by his disciples on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, hey, when are you coming back?  Give us one sign of the end of the age.  Jesus didn't just give him just one sign.  He could have given him a very Washington political answer:  No comment, next question.  But he actually gave a whole list of signs.

GLENN:  Jesus in press conferences.

ROSENBERG:  And one of them was you'll see wars and rumors of wars and unfortunately those were only some of the --

GLENN:  Yes.

ROSENBERG:  You know, those were only two of the signs.  One of them that was -- that false Messiahs would come in the last days of which I think the twelfth imam is one.  So I appreciate what you've done.  I can't think of other national commentators that focus this type of attention not just on end times prophecy alone.  That's important, I think.  But the fact that the only regime in modern history that I'm aware of that is being driven right now by an end times theology, a quite dangerous one, would be the government of Iran.  Didn't seem to merit more than a sentence in the State of the Union last night, but this is important and I appreciate you bringing attention to it.

GLENN:  Joel, I tell you even the Nazis didn't run their whole regime on end times theology.  However, they were fascinated by the occult and fascinated.  I mean, Nazi Germany and Iran, Iran is a -- was Persia.  It was the relationship with the Nazis that made them turn their name to Iran, which is not Arabic.

PAT:  You mean Aryan?

GLENN:  It means Aryan.

ROSENBERG:  It's actually three days to the Nazis.  But officially in 1935, but it is an Aryan country ethnically and obviously there is a deep connection there.

GLENN:  No, it was -- but it was suggested by the Nazi advisors or something, if I'm not mistaken.  It's been like a year and a half since I've done the research on it.

ROSENBERG:  Well, the time frame is right, 1935, March.  Hitler was certainly rising and the Persian leaders definitely felt a kinship there to Nazi Germany.  And there's no question that President Ahmadinejad now is trying to accomplish what Hitler did then.  And if he -- you know, we talk about in your new documentary, which I haven't seen the whole thing.  I've only seen clips.

GLENN:  Oh, it's amazing.

ROSENBERG:  But even in the trailer, you know, you make the point that if Ahmadinejad and Khomeini, the current leaders of Iran, are able to get a nuclear warhead and attach it to a high-speed ballistic missile -- they haven't done it yet but they're getting closer -- they could do in six minutes what Adolf Hitler took about six years to do and that is to kill six million Jews.  And that isn't their ultimate objective, as horrifying as it is.  Israel is the little Satan in their end times theology.  We, the United States, are the Great Satan, and yet it isn't meriting the attention --

GLENN:  Yes.

ROSENBERG:  The serious attention of the president.

GLENN:  Well, because nobody wants to think these things are true.  We are living in a world of illusion, of advertising tricks, PR, propaganda, and people don't ever want to think that those things are true, that people actually would do those things.  Nobody wanted to believe Jeffrey Dahmer, if you're living next to him, was keeping heads in the refrigerator.  Even if you had a sense, you would have denied it because that's the way people do it.  They were like, no, that's crazy.  No, he's not doing that.  But that's what crazy people or evil people really count on is people just to be sheep and say, "No, that's not what they're doing."

ROSENBERG:  That's true.  The difference, though -- and obviously you and I have talked about it before is that, you know, a Jeffrey Dahmer isn't broadcasting his intention.

GLENN:  Yes.

ROSENBERG:  The leaders of Iran are.

GLENN:  Are.

ROSENBERG:  Because they believe it so deeply.  It's why I wrote the novel last fall The Twelfth Imam which I was, I have to say I was surprised.  With everything else political going on and the country focused on economic issues which are very serious, it still was a New York Times best seller.  I think people really do have a sense that --

GLENN:  No.

ROSENBERG: -- the leaders in Iran -- now, this was a fictional version.

GLENN:  Yes.

ROSENBERG:  But still they do have a sense that the things that the Iranian leadership are saying, that those guys actually believe it and that there are implications for us, for Israel, for our allies that our government and others aren't taking as seriously as need be, given the genocide that the Iranian leadership is talking about.

GLENN:  All right.  Well, tonight at 8:00 Eastern time on Insider Extreme, I have been working -- I shouldn't say.  I suggested this to my team about a year ago and we worked on it, you know, for -- I did for about three weeks at the beginning and then at the end I come in and they have been working on this for a year, and it is a two-part series.  The first part is just, here's what they're saying.  Here's what they're doing.  Here's what their own people are saying and doing.  Here's how they're beating them down in the streets.  Here's the history that you need to understand.  Here's what we're saying and here's what they're actually saying to our face and then behind our back.  Not even behind your back.  In a different language on their own television networks.  Here's what they're telling their own people.  Here's what's happened in the year that we started this documentary, this is how much progress they have made.  And the last ten minutes go into what Part 2 is really all about:  Why?  Why would they do this?  It could be just because they want power, just because they want this or that but, umm, no.  It's so much deeper than that.  And the comparisons.  And we begin to lay these out.  Between the book of Revelation and the Antichrist and the earmarks of the Antichrist and what the government would be like and what this government over there is doing and who the twelfth imam is.  We don't know.  He hasn't arrived yet.  But they -- Ahmadinejad closes all of his speeches, "Oh, a la, give me the strength to hasten the return of the promised one."  And if you do an A/B comparison between the promised one and the Antichrist, they look very, very -- Joel, am I saying something that's not true?

ROSENBERG:  I think that it's, in broad strokes it is very true.  There are a lot of similarities.  You know, one of the questions I got asked in the Twelfth Imam book tour was do you believe biblically from an evangelical Christian perspective that the Twelfth Imam should this person come.  We don't know that he is but Jesus warned a false Messiah, would this be the Antichrist.  And I would just say -- and I'm not sure we have the time to get into it in detail but I don't think this is the Antichrist, capital A.  It certainly would be A.

ROSENBERG:  An antichrist little A.  There are some specific reasons for that.

GLENN:  I will tell you that the idea of a Caliphate, a global Islamic regime that makes people submit or die that is based in ancient Babylon is enough for me to say, "Whoa, whoa, whoa.  Maybe, let's hang on here."

ROSENBERG:  Certainly.

GLENN:  Let's look what they're doing.

ROSENBERG:  You and I haven't talked about this in quite some time.  There's obviously a lot of politics going on last year.  But last summer, I'm not sure if you're aware, last summer in July the Ayatollah Khomeini, the supreme leader of Iran said publicly that he had met with the twelfth imam.  Now, what was odd about that is that nobody knows what he's talking about.  Is this a person?  Is this a vision that he had?  A dream?  Some sort of spirit?  But three weeks later in July of last year he said publicly that he is the official representative of the twelfth imam on Earth and therefore must be obeyed.  It was significant in two parts.  One, because he now believes this isn't just a theory that he believes but a reality that's about to emerge.

GLENN:  And you don't have Khomeini --

ROSENBERG:  Stepping out in front of Ahmadinejad and saying, yes, Ahmadinejad's been taking about this but I am now the spokesman.  And that was a significant change.

GLENN:  Okay.  Tonight 8:00 p.m. Eastern on Insider Extreme.  A new documentary Rumors of War.  This one you need to understand.  And it's Part 1.  Understand all of the, all of the stuff that is actually going on from the people who are there or working on our side behind the scenes to stop Iran.  What is happening?  And then Part 2, the Twelfth Imam.  That's tonight at 8:00 p.m.  Thanks a lot, Joel, best of luck.

ROSENBERG:  Thank you.

GLENN:  Best of luck.  Bye-bye.

ROSENBERG:  Good to talk to you.

I think we can all agree, both on the Left and the Right, that children who have been caught up in illegal immigration is an awful situation. But apparently what no one can agree on is when it matters to them. This past weekend, it suddenly — and even a little magically — began to matter to the Left. Seemingly out of nowhere, they all collectively realized this was a problem and all rushed to blame the Trump administration.

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Here's Rachel Maddow yesterday:

I seem to remember getting mocked by the Left for showing emotion on TV, but I'll give her a pass here. This is an emotional situation. But this is what I can't give her a pass on: where the heck was this outrage and emotion back in 2014? Because the same situation going on today — that stuff Maddow and the rest of the Left have only just now woken up to — was going on back in July 2014! And it was arguably worse back then.

I practically begged and pleaded for people to wake up to what was going on. We had to shed light on how our immigration system was being manipulated by people breaking our laws, and they were using kids as pawns to get it done. But unlike the gusto the Left is using now to report this story, let's take a look at what Rachel Maddow thought was more important back in 2014.

On July 1, 2014, Maddow opened her show with a riveting monologue on how President Obama was hosting a World Cup viewing party. That's hard-hitting stuff right there.

On July 2, 2014, Maddow actually acknowledged kids were at the border, but she referenced Health and Human Services only briefly and completely rushed through what was actually happening to these kids. She made a vague statement about a "policy" stating where kids were being taken after their arrival. She also blamed Congress for not acting.

See any difference in reporting there from today? That "policy" she referenced has suddenly become Trump's "new" policy, and it isn't Congress's fault… it's all on the President.

She goes on throughout the week.

On July 7, 2014, her top story was something on the Koch brothers. Immigration was only briefly mentioned at the end of the show. This trend continued all the way through the week. I went to the border on July 19. Did she cover it? Nope. In fact, she didn't mention kids at the border for the rest of the month. NOT AT ALL.

Do you care about immigrant kids who have been caught in the middle of a broken immigration system or not?

Make up your minds. Is this an important issue or not? Do you care about immigrant kids who have been caught in the middle of a broken immigration system or not? Do you even care to fix it, or is this what it looks like — just another phony, addicted-to-outrage political stunt?

UPDATE: Here's how this discussion went on radio. Watch the video below.

Glenn gives Rachel Maddow the benefit of the doubt

Rachel Maddow broke down in tears live on her MSNBC show over border crisis.

Progressives think the Obamas are a gift to the world. But their gift is apparently more of the metaphorical kind. It doesn't extend to helpful, tangible things like saving taxpayers money. Illinois has approved $224 million to pay for street and transportation upgrades around the planned site of the Obama Presidential Center. The catch is that Illinois taxpayers will have to cover $200 million of that cost. For a presidential museum.

Eight years of multiplying the national debt wasn't enough for Barack Obama. Old fleecing habits die hard. What's another $200 million here and there, especially for something as important as an Obama tribute center?

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That's all well and good except Illinois can't even fund its pension system. The state has a $137 billion funding shortfall. That means every person in Illinois owes $11,000 for pensions, and there is no plan to fix the mess. Unless Illinois progressives have discovered a new kind of math, this doesn't really add up. You can't fund pensions, but you're going to figure out a way to milk the public for another $200 million to help cover the cost of a library?

It's hard to imagine who in their right mind would think this will be money well spent. Well, except for maybe Chicago Mayor and former Obama Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel who said, "The state's… investment in infrastructure improvements near the Obama Center on the South Side of Chicago is money well spent."

Some presidential overreach lasts longer than others.

The spending has already been signed into law, even though the Obama library has not received construction approval yet. Part of the holdup is that the proposed site is on public land in historic Jackson Park. That doesn't seem very progressive of the Obamas, but, you know, for certain presidents, you go above and beyond. It's just what you do. Some presidential overreach lasts longer than others.

Here's the thing about taxing the peasants so the king can build a fancy monument to himself – it's wrong. And completely unnecessary. The Obamas have the richest friends on the planet who could fund this project in their sleep. If the world simply must have a tricked-out Obama museum, then let private citizens take out their wallets voluntarily.

As the Mercury Museum proved this weekend, it is possible to build an exhibit with amazing artifacts that attracts a ton of visitors – and it cost taxpayers approximately zero dollars.

'The fool builds walls': China blasts Trump over tariffs

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I can picture it now: Thousands of years ago, Qin Shi Huang, the first emperor of China, standing before hordes of his followers, in the Qin Dynasty, with a bright red bamboo hat on, and chanting, "Build that wall!"

It took a couple centuries to build the thing, but it got built. And it has been carefully maintained over the last 2,000 years, but, today, the Great Wall of China is so massive that astronauts can see it during good weather conditions from the lower part of low Earth orbit. The wall boasts over 3,000 miles of towers and brick embankments, with over 1,200 miles of natural defensive barriers. It's worth mentioning that the Chinese government is also exceptionally good at imposing digital walls, so much so that China ranks worst in the world for internet freedom.

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So it's a little strange to hear an editorial run by a major news network in China criticized President Trump for his proposal to build a large wall along the southern border of America.

"Following the path of expanding and opening up is China's best response to the trade dispute between China and the United States, and is also the responsibility that major countries should have to the world," the author wrote. "The wise man builds bridges, the fool builds walls."

Similarly, the Pope told reporters in 2016, "A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not the gospel."

Don't throw stones at people who want to build walls when you live in place surrounded by walls.

If you've been to the Vatican, you know that it is surrounded by enormous walls. The same goes for all the celebrities who live in heavily walled compounds—a safety measure—but who have also vehemently criticized President Trump's plans to build a wall.

You know the adage: "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones at other people's glass houses." Perhaps the phrase needs an update: Don't throw stones at people who want to build walls when you live in place surrounded by walls.

An immaculate Nazi doctor hovers over newborn. He probes and sneers at it. "Take it away," he says. This is the very real process that Nazi doctors undertook during the era of Nazi Germany: Nazi eugenics, the studious, sterile search to find children who would define a pure breed for the German lineage. The Übermensch.

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During a speech to a delegation of Italy's Family Association in Rome on Saturday, Pope Francis referred to this cruel Nazi practice, which he used as a comparison to the increasingly popular process throughout Europe of "ending" birth defects, by offering abortions to women who have babies with chromosomal defects.

Here are two passages from the Pope's remarks:

I have heard that it's fashionable, or at least usual, that when in the first months of pregnancy they do studies to see if the child is healthy or has something, the first offer is: let's send it away.

And:

I say this with pain. In the last century the whole world was scandalized about what the Nazis did to purify the race. Today we do the same, but now with white gloves.

When CNN got the quote, and it shocked them so much that they had to verify the quote with the Vatican—in other words, it didn't fit the usual narrative.

It didn't fit the usual narrative.

The Pope also addressed claims that he has dedicated himself to LGBTQ causes:

Today, it is hard to say this, we speak of "diversified" families: different types of families. It is true that the word "family" is an analogical word, because we speak of the "family" of stars, family" of trees, "family" of animals ... it is an analogical word. But the human family in the image of God, man and woman, is the only one. It is the only one. A man and woman can be non-believers: but if they love each other and unite in marriage, they are in the image of God even if they don't believe.

The media have largely seen Pope Francis as the cool Pope, as the Obama of Catholicism. It'll be interesting to see how abruptly and severely that perspective changes.