It’s weird to wake up one day and suddenly that “crazy” theory Glenn had about a potential “caliphate” in Egypt is all over the news. What did Glenn think of people like Donald Rumsfeld co-opting his theory?
“Two days ago I was called crazy for by the Washington Post, Time magazine, all of these things. And, of course, the esteemed William Kristol, Esquire,” Glenn said.
But then yesterday, Donald Rumsfeld was on Rush Limbaugh where he said, “We are up against a vicious enemy. The radical Islamists are there. They intend to try to create a Caliphate in this world and fundamentally alter the nature of nation states, and we're reluctant to engage in the competition of ideas and point out what they really are and how vicious they are.”
“So that's interesting. Not only are they interested in establishing a Caliphate but also fundamentally altering nation states. There wouldn't be any under an Islamic Caliphate,” Pat said.
“Would that, like, be fundamentally transforming? Because there is another group of people that would like to fundamentally transform not only the country but the world. What was it the Fabian socialists said? Mold it nearer the heart's desire,” Glenn said.
“There are those who are saying this system is over, capitalism is dead,” Glenn said.
“Did you happen to see, did you watch the show last night, Stu, where we had khalifa, the khalifa conference which is Arabic for Caliphate? It happened in Illinois? The khalifa conference? And added they were saying that democracy is ‑‑ I mean, capitalism is dead, the way of the west is dead, and there needs to be a new order and it's a khalifa, arabic for Caliphate. It was a conference of Muslim extremists in Illinois,” Glenn explained.
“And you compare that to the people who were just out last week in Illinois in the streets saying capitalism is dead as they were cheering on the people in Egypt. It's the same story. Now let's go to the Workers World Party meeting. “
Glenn turned his attention to revolutionary communist groups have been expressing their support for what is happening in Egypt.
“These are groups who have ‑‑ who are speaking out in support of what's going on. In fact, they were at this Workers World Party meeting they were showing, you know, the map of the world and obviously the photographs of what's going on in Egypt and they were talking about how great this is because it's spreading all ‑‑ they said it's spreading all throughout the Middle East,” Pat said.
They then played audio of a meeting where a group of Marxists and Socialists gave a “PowerPoint presentation, which is really an update on the heroic mass uprising in Egypt by John Catalinotto who is a managing editor for Workers World newspaper.”
“So the call went out, and the call went out for these protests and he's talking about all the groups that responded to them. They're all communists and socialists. And it's so crazy that [Glenn] have said if there's any ties between socialism and what's going on in Egypt. ,” Pat explained.
Glenn joked that it must be a coincidence that we’re “exporting Organizing for America” and “change” is suddenly popping up in all these different countries.