Keith Ellison is trying to teach Americans a lesson about what conservatives wanted during the Civil War, and it’s an argument that Glenn vehemently disagreed with on radio this morning.

“The hour is such that that group of people who have always been afraid of change, they didn't want to end slavery. They wanted states' rights. They didn't want women to vote. They didn't want people to organize on the job. These people, they didn't want to see our country get bigger and stronger and increase who was included. I'm telling you that these folks, these so‑called conservatives wanted to conserve the status quo. They have been against change from a long time. They have ideological forebearers. Do you understand what I'm trying to say to you?” Ellison said.

“He's telling us the tale now of what conservatives wanted during the Civil War. Now, you notice he doesn't say Republicans because Republicans were Abraham Lincoln. So he has to go to conservatives. Now, who were conservatives? I contend conservatives would be those who are the traditional conservatives, the church going folk. They were also abolitionists. They were some of the strongest,” Glenn responded.

“First of all, first of all the North didn't want to end slavery. They wanted states' rights. They were essentially against state rights when they went to war with the South. Because it was the South that was making the states' rights argument,” Pat said.

“I have seen and touched the actual Southern Constitution. I know I have jam hands and I apologize for it, but I actually touched the lambskin, the Constitution of the South. I've read it. It's not about states' rights,” Glenn said.

“ It was all about slavery. And conservatives, conservatives, sir? You have to use "conservatives" because you can't use "Republicans" because Lincoln was a Republican. The Republicans came to be because of Lincoln. The Republicans have always been the ones that were there.”

“It was a Republican that started the civil rights legislation,” Glenn added. “Republicans and conservatives. It was Eisenhower. He couldn't get a congressman to sign it.”

“These same people who want to shrink government until you can drown it in a bathtub also want mom or to get back in the kitchen and take her shoes off and get pregnant,” Ellison added on conservatives.

“It's pretty clear who loves the strong women, the Democrats. Because none of them are running for president this year,” Glenn shot back.