Glenn interviews O'Reilly - does Bill plan to stop by the GBTV studio?

Glenn interviewed Bill O'Reilly about his new book, Killing Lincoln, and towards the end of the interview Bill dropped a bombshell - he would be stopping b the GBTV studios sometime next week. While details were sketchy, it looks while get more information on this special guest in the weeks to come.

"I'm telling you, if you want to learn about Abraham Lincoln, this is a tremendous, tremendous book," Glenn said of Bill's new book.

"It is not just a dry history book. It is truly fantastic. Truly, truly fantastic. Bill, great job," Glenn said.

"Yeah, there's all kinds of stuff about Lincoln and Booth that I didn't know and I'm a former history teacher. So we researched this thing right down to what Abraham Lincoln did when he got up in the morning," O'Reilly explained.

Bill said that the book was aimed at teenagers and young adults.

The two friends and former co-workers did get into an argument over who was the "gold standard" for Presidents, with Bill claiming Lincoln and Glenn claiming George Washington.

As the interview was coming to a close, Bill said, "So we're going to be on GBTV next week."

"I might squeeze you in," Glenn joked.

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Read the raw transcript below:

>>Glenn: Yeah, that's right. Bill O'Reilly is on now. Yeah. And I have a few words for Bill O'Reilly. In the no spin zone here now. [ THEME MUSIC ]

There's the one thing that Bill O'Reilly knows and that is history. He doesn't know the progressive era very well. You know, most people who went to Harvard don't. They kind of bury that part of it. But he knows history real, real well. He was a history professor or teacher for a while. It didn't work out for him.

He to go do something else. I don't know what he went on to do Bill O'Reilly has written a new book called killing the Lincoln, the shocking assassination that changed America forever. I have two ways of going here. I could tell you that I read not all of it. I haven't finished it yet, but most of it and it is really, really well written and it's a history book that you will like because it's actually in story form and it's not like and in 1861, then the young Abe-- no, it's written in a way that is not just dates, names and places, but in story form and it's really engaging, or, I could say hello, Bill. I read your book. Well, I read part of it. I read the part that said killing Lincoln and the next page.

CALLER: thought it was repetitive, it said killing Lincoln by Bill O'Reilly, and I hope that you can explain because then there's something about for-- whatever. The next page says killing Lincoln again, and you lost me because I'm like, I got it. You're killing Lincoln. Tonight I'm going to read a note to readers, which sounds fascinating and something you like to call pro-log.

>> A guy like you, it takes about three days to get through the four vanity pages of the book. Get the audio, Beck, and then I'll be yelling at you while you listen.

>> You actually read the thing?

>> What do you mean you read it?

>>Glenn: I mean you read it outloud?

>> I did. 278 pages of it.

>>Glenn: Woof, that had to be tough work. Who paid you for it?

>> Don't you read your books?

>>Glenn: Actually. I like reading my books. I don't have time anymore. I have a job. In this economy, I have four jobs. I'm not like you.

>> You need to give your listeners the audio version. You don't have time.

>>Glenn: I'd like to. I'm not a rich fat cat like you who keeps asking the president for higher taxes because that's what you rich people are doing.

>> If you're not a rich fat cat, then rich fat cats don't exist.

>>Glenn: Let me tell I did read the book. It is really exceptionally well written and really fascinating. You are really good at the history of Lincoln. Like I said, progressives not so much, but this is really good. You start just a few days before Lincoln is assassinated. In just a couple of pages, I learn stuff about John Wilkes Booth that I didn't know.

>> Yeah, there's all kinds of stuff about Lincoln and Booth that I didn't know and I'm a former history teacher. So we researched this thing right down to what Abraham Lincoln to what he got up in the morning. I wanted to write a very personal-- I'm writing this for America's kids. I want the kids to read it. By kids I mean 12 to 28 because they don't know anything about our history. They don't know what a good leader is, and I believe that Abraham Lincoln was the best president, the gold standard of leadership for this country and that today, we desperately need somebody to bring us back, and we have to be looking for people, not who are as good as Lincoln, but who approached that.

>>Glenn: At least striving to be.

>> Put their country above themselves which is the key to what Abraham Lincoln did.

>>Glenn: I'm going to let you pass on the Abraham Lincoln is the gold standard. It was clearly George Washington and George Washington could take Abraham Lincoln in any fight that you could possibly--

>> I'm not going to mock you for your view there because there are two sides, but the reason I say that Lincoln is the gold standard, I would put Washington second, okay.

>>Glenn: Whoa.

>> What Lincoln had to deal with was absolute breakdown of the union.

>>Glenn: You're so right. George Washington just had to go fight a war with no shoes. Cake walk.

>> He wasn't president then. When Washington got to be president, the country was calm and he was coronateed. Some wanted him to be king. He didn't have to deal with what link hadn't to deal with from the jump, which is an abysmal situation brought to him from the infamous James Buchanan.

>>Glenn: Worry wise known, for anyone listening, James Buchanan translates in modern English, George W. Bush. Lincoln inherited those problems from George W. Bush.

>> I would never put George W. Bush in the category of Buchanan who was worst.

>>Glenn: It's new history. All problems were caused by the actual George W. Bush.

>> Look, Lincoln had three daunting tasks in front of him. As you mentioned, we only take the last two months of his life. The last few days, we really zero in on him because everything was happening, civil war was ending, the bloodiest battle ever seen was fought in Virginia. There was a big conspiracy not tonally to kill Lincoln but that the governments of the south would rise again. There's Abe in the middle of it. Everyone hating him. He was the most hated man in the America. The south hated him and many in the north hated him. The guy was under siege from every side, but he prevailed. One thing he wanted to do was number one, win the civil war and keep people together. Number two, get rid of slavery. That was huge. Number three, after the war was over, because he knew he was going to win. At the end two months, he knew he was going to win. Grant was chasing Lee. Lincoln wasn't in Washington. He was on the gun boats watching these battles, but anyway, those were the three that after the war was over that Lincoln would not punish the south but bring it in. All three of those things took a toll on the man. He was a robust, Schwarzenegger type when he got into the office, over six foot, strapping man. When he left, he's bent over and aged 30 years and that was the period of four years.

>>Glenn: Let me ask you this. I didn't know that James Buchanan, I mean, just the idea that the vice president during the second inaugural speech, the vice president-- you like that one, Pat.

>>Pat: I did. Sadly, I did.

>>Glenn: The vice president come out and gives a drunken--

>> he was loaded. Andrew Johnson was loaded when he gave his, the vice president, when he gave his speech.

>>Glenn: He came down on the south and ripped them apart.

>> Right. Right. He was from Tennessee, Johnson. He wanted Lincoln to go in and scourge and he wanted them to kill and hang, all the confederate leaders and generals. Lincoln said I'm not doing that. We'll never get this union back together if I do that. That's another reason people hated Lincoln because they wanted revenge.

>>Glenn: That is amazing. I read that part and I thought this is-- this is the choice that we have in front of us again. Here is this drunken sock getting up, the vice president, and he says rip 'em apart.

>> Right.

>>Glenn: Take them apart and Lincoln comes up and his second inaugural address is the exact opposite with mall has toward none, he says, we're going to put it all back together, and we're all brothers in this. Totally different choice. When he's walking up to give his address, explain what happens. Another piece of lost history that I find fascinating. Explain what happens when Lincoln is walking up.

>> Well, he didn't want to give the address when the people were demanding it. They were chanting and they were screaming and he finally had to give it and booth was in the audience, John Wilkes booth. Is this what you're referring to?

>>Glenn: Yeah. Let me ask the guys if they knew this.

>> Booth was a racist, a narcissist. Only 26 years old, but very famous actor, he and hated Lincoln and he wanted to kill Lincoln and he--

>>Glenn: An actor.

>> He wanted to kill them all and he felt he could kill them all with his guise, he felt the south would rise again.

>>Glenn: An actor.

>> Right. Booth is there listening to Lincoln and close to him, close to him, and at one point in the speech, booth lounges toward Lincoln and a Marshall, Washington Marshall stops booth and looks at him and recognizes him, and doesn't arrest him because he said, oh, an actor like that, woe never try to hurt the president.

>>Glenn: It would have been bad for the police had they arrested somebody as famous as booth.

>> Booth said, oh, I just stumbled.

He was so angry, he couldn't contain himself. One of the poems in the book and this is great, John Wilke booth was engaged to Lucy Hail, the daughter of a senator who was very anti-slavery. While she was contemplating marrying booth, she was going out on the side Robert Todd Lincoln, Abraham's son, an officer. We believe booth found out about that and that enraged him further. These are the kinds of details that we uncover in the book.

>>Glenn: I'm telling you, if you want to learn about Abraham Lincoln, this is a tremendous, tremendous book. Because of 245, he tells you stuff in it that you've never heard before. It makes the story fascinating. It is not just a dry history book. It is truly fantastic. Truly, truly fantastic. Bill, great job.

>>I appreciate that very much. So we're going to be on GBTV next week.

>>Glenn: I'm thinking about it. I'm not sure.

>> If you can deem.

>>Glenn: I might squeeze you in. I don't know. I only have a two-hour broadcast now and it's me.

>> No guests.

>>Glenn: I don't have any guests, but I might make room for you. However, however I've read recently how much you hate everybody on the staff over at Fox, and I want you to know that bill O'Reilly, Glen Beck on GBTV sounds good, but Sean Hannity's thinking about it.

>> In the same article you're referring to is that I fear you.

>>Glenn: I know that. That's what gave that article such credibility.

[ Laughter ]

>>Pat: That's when they had me. I thought this is all true.

>>Glenn: I thought this is all a lie and then I read he fears Glen Beck and I thought that's true. That came right from Bill.

[ Laughter ]

>>Pat: Came right from Bill.

>> I'm glad you read part of the book and enjoyed it.

>>Glenn: I'm going to read the contents tonight. If I can get through the pro-log, I'll read the contents. It's fascinating by the way you've written it. Chapter one, it's fascinating. Bill O'Reilly, thank you very much. We'll talk again soon, my friend. The name of the book is killing Lincoln, the shocking assassination that changed America forever. A great, great book.

>>Stu: The case is essentially that partially this assassination happened because of a love triangle jealous type thing.

>>Pat: With Abraham Lincoln's son.

>>Glenn: Can we get Bill back on?

>>Stu: I don't know. You hung up on him. I can try.

CNN reporter Jim Acosta was confronted at CPAC by The Federalist reporter David Marcus with a valid question: "When are you guys going to start covering Cuomo?" His answer — or, really, lack of an answer — perfectly demonstrates why he was earlier surrounded by CPAC attendees chanting, "CNN sucks!"

On the "Glenn Beck Radio Program" Tuesday, Glenn and producer Stu Burguiere react to a video clip of the exchange with Acosta, as well as the mainstream media's double standards when it comes to Democratic New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo.

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Glenn Beck can't help but wonder, "What is wrong with us?" in light of the Left's latest move — canceling six Dr. Seuss books due to "hurtful and wrong" illustrations — that takes America one step closer to complete insanity. And now, school districts are jumping on board after President Joe Biden seems to have dropped Dr. Seuss from the White House's annual "Read Across America Day" proclamation.

On the radio program Tuesday, Glenn argued that deleting books is the perfect example of fascism, and asked when we as a country will finally realize it.

"They are banning Dr. Seuss books. How much more do you need to see before all of America wakes up? ... This is fascism!" Glenn said. "We don't destroy books. What is wrong with us, America?"

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Former Democratic presidential candidate and Hawaii representative Tulsi Gabbard and Glenn Beck don't agree much on policy, but they're in lockstep on principles.

On "The Glenn Beck Podcast" this week, Tulsi spoke with Glenn about one of her last acts in Congress, introducing the "Protect Women's Sports Act," which she says would "strengthen, clarify, and uphold the intent of Title IX to provide a level playing field for girls and women in sports." But since then, the Biden administration has gone in the opposite direction, and has supported allowing biological men to compete in women's sports.

Watch the video clip below to hear why Tulsi took a stand for female athletes:


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Later this week, former President Trump will attend CPAC and give his first major policy appearance since leaving office. Sources close to the President reveal he will focus on "the future of the Republican Party and the conservative movement."

The future of the GOP is a question that demands real discussion before elections in 2022 and 2024. Right now, I can see three possible answers for how you act:

  1. Those in power and senior positions will ignore the reasons behind Donald Trump winning in 2016. They will be vindicated in their minds because they outlasted him, as they view DC as a job for life. These leaders will go back to business as usual and seek forgiveness from the left, hoping for unity and acceptance in the future.
  2. The second outcome is another section of the party that is understandably very angry over the left's Presidents treatment. They still support and believe in Trump. They think it's time to take off the gloves and treat Biden/the left exactly how they treated Trump.
  3. The few policy positions offered in public will be centered solely around opposing the left. They will also make the case how the left suck, are dangerous, and how you need them in power. The next four years are merely a countdown for Trump to run again and right the wrong of 2020.
  4. The third outcome is very similar to the second, but with one key difference. While they appreciate everything Trump accomplished while in office, they feel it's time to unite behind another candidate.
Question

Which of these three positions will work best for the American people? Which helps built a political base for elections in both 2022 and 2024?

If you seek to help save America, it is critical to do some soul searching. Whether you love or hate him, Donald Trump got 75 million votes and made advancements in key demographics. What did he do well that you can develop further? In what areas was he poor, and how can you improve?

I want to raise six principled points everyone on the right should be forced to consider in the run-up to 2024.

1 - Understanding American Exceptionalism

FACT: America is an exceptional nation. If you read enough of world history, you will find ample evidence that America acted in ways that made it unique and significantly different from other countries in the past and modern times. These reasons must be understood and promoted through the culture and body politic.

One of those reasons is the layout of your Declaration of Independence. If you look around politics today, you will see people on all political sides telling you what they hate, why the other side is the enemy, and how they must be defeated.

In the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson also made that case against the English when he listed 27 grievances against the King. So how is the layout key? It took Jefferson 357 words to get to those grievances. Your Declaration is your mission statement: it tells everyone in the world what America aspires to be. It states the belief that all were created equal, all had certain rights that come directly from God, and that it is the government's job to protect rights -- not give people rights.

The left is successfully painting everyone on the right to be a terrorist who enjoyed the Capitol Hill riots. If you ever want to win another election, it will be critical to explain what you stand for to the American people.

After all, ask yourself which makes you the most passionate to vote - removing someone from office or voting for a vision and change you believe in?

2 - The Constitution

Is there a better place to start this vision than the Constitution? Yes, it is mostly ignored today by those in power and is only referenced by politicians and media when it fits a narrative.

The Constitution is a beautiful and complex document but is primarily based on a straightforward principle. The government should be extremely limited in its power, but it should be as close to the people as possible where there is a clear need for government. Who can argue with this principle?

Who wants someone they have never met, dictating how they live their life?

This is why the Constitution grants the President no real power, and gives Congress 18 clauses of power, listed under Article 1, Section 8. Any and every power not mentioned there belongs at the state level.

3 - Finances

The power structure in DC has changed many times over the last twenty years, with both parties having the opportunity to rule the different federal branches. There have been two periods where one party controlled all the power in DC:

  • 2008-2010: Obama / Dem
  • 2016-2018: Trump / GOP

Despite these changes, your government continually grows, you continue to spend money you don't have, and in ten out of the last thirteen years, you have added over $1,000,000,000,000 to your national debt, which now sits just under $28 trillion. Does this seem sustainable to you? Of course not, but sadly your finances only get worse.

America has revenue of over $3.2 trillion every year, yet DC has not passed a budget since 2008. Can you imagine any business running that way? Do you think Apple, Amazon, or Disney have a budget? It is time to get America on a path to financial sustainability, work towards a balanced budget, and explain to the American people how you will achieve it.

4 - Taxes

Do you remember discussing taxes during the Tea Party?

We used to make the simple moral case to the American people: any money you earn is yours, you should use it to plan your life, and the government has no right to take it from you. This was so successful around 2012 that Herman Cain ran for President with one primary policy: the 9-9-9 plan.

If America is to return to prosperity after Covid, lower taxes and a simpler tax code must be a central theme.

5 - Cutting Government

Look at the size of the US government in 2021. Are you happy? Can you name the numerous departments? Is it now the freedom-loving Americans' position that agencies like Education, Energy, EPA, and Commerce are constitutional bodies of government and are well-run?

How about the IRS, which targeted Tea-Party groups under President Obama? Do they deserve support, or is it time to start sharing a vision of the departments that should be abolished?

This principle used to be a big part of the Conservative platform. It played a massive role in 2012 when Rick Perry ran for President. His campaign was destroyed in 45 short seconds when he could not remember the three agencies he would abolish.

Maybe it's time to refresh this debate but change the parameters. How about we discuss the agencies that should be kept?

6 - Bill of Rights

Today, the Bill of Rights is under constant attack. The far-left/woke mob hates free speech, and they seek to cancel anyone with an opposing view. However, the attacks on the Bill of Rights don't always come from the left.

America has a second amendment that guarantees you the right to bear arms. The last time the GOP held both houses of Congress and the Presidency, they banned bump stocks - but who really NEEDS a bump stock?

As the years have passed, some have admitted they are open to red flag laws. Is this still the case?

While the second amendment may be under attack, it is clear the fourth amendment is dead. Regardless of which party holds power in DC, the NSA is given continuous ability to spy on Americans. The simple, principled case from Rand Paul of "get a warrant" always falls on deaf ears.

The Bill of Rights should be a unifying document for most Americans, as the principles are self-evident and a significant part of any freedom platform going forward.

Conclusion

America will face significant challenges over the coming years. As the government continues to grow, the far left get more hostile, and central planners seek a great reset. If you share my concern, then now is the time to forget our tribes and ignore the debate on who should be President in 2024.

It's time to work hard to build a platform by raising a banner of bold colors, not pale pastels. We must share a clear vision to the American people of a bright future where they are free, prosperous, and can pursue their happiness.

When the platform is built and successful, people can identify the best candidate to run in 2024.

"First, you win the argument, and then you win the election." — Margaret Thatcher

Jonathon Dunne is a keynote speaker, weekly podcast host on Blaze Media, and published author on major platforms such as The Blaze, Glenn Beck, Libertarian Republic, Western Journalism, and Constitution. Since 2012, he has reached millions with his message of American exceptionalism.

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