Unlikely: Glenn Beck fan AND fan of OccupyWallstreet AND from Texas?

Glenn had quite an interesting caller on radio today. A long time fan who has listened to Glenn since 2002 called in to say he sympathized with the Occupy Wall Street protesters. And he's from Texas of all places. Why did the caller sympathize with these left wing, anti-corporate, anti-cop crowd? Get the answer and the debate that followed on radio today in the clip above!

Get the full transcript of this interesting conversation below:

GLENN: We have a caller on the phone that -- on our phone that listens to this show that says, You know what? I think the guys that occupy Wall Street, I think they make some sense. Wow. We talk to him, now.

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GLENN: And he's from Texas.

PAT: It's not possible.

GLENN: Derrick? Derrick?

CALLER: Yeah, Glenn. Thanks for the big intro, man.

GLENN: You're welcome. How are you?

CALLER: I'm good. I've been listening to your show since 2002.

GLENN: Okay.

CALLER: So, yeah, I've been listening a very long time. Always enjoyed it.

GLENN: And are you -- and you are a born and bred Texan?

CALLER: I am, indeed. I'm probably more conservative than you are, believe it or not.

GLENN: And you're in -- and you're in -- you're not in --

PAT: Austin.

GLENN: Austin?

CALLER: No.

PAT: Where do you live? Where in Texas?

CALLER: I'm actually about 80 miles east of Austin, in the own of Fredericksburg.

PAT: Uh-huh.

GLENN: Okay.

CALLER: Did I say east? I went west. Sorry.

GLENN: All right. Go ahead.

CALLER: Okay. Here's my thinking on this. I think you're kind of looping them all into one basket. I've been watching some news programs at night and I see some signs they're holding up that make sense. There's one in particular that caught my eye. It said student loan equals slavery, student loan debt equals slavery and that is a --

PAT: And that made sense to you?

GLENN: Hold on just a second. Let him speak. Go ahead, Derrick.

CALLER: Debt equals slavery. Look it up in the Bible.

PAT: Okay. Well --

GLENN: Hang on. Let the man speak, Pat.

PAT: He's done speaking.

GLENN: No, he's not. Go ahead. Go ahead.

CALLER: Here is the -- I think the fundamental issue of this whole thing is that some of these banks that these guys are protesting on Wall Street are the same ones that received the TARP bailout.

GLENN: Yes.

CALLER: I think they are frustrated because they can't find work, they've been saddled with this huge amount of debt that these banks have loaned them, obviously it takes two to tango, but at the same time, these banks did receive these huge bailouts. Some of the students definitely want a bailout for themselves, but, you know, we're in a credit -- we live in a credit-driven society and I don't know when the transition took place. I stayed at a hotel with my wife in San Antonio about a year ago and in the lobby was this huge mural that was painted in the depression and the words written on that mural were: Thrift is the pathway to wealth.

Now, sometime between then and now we have gone to a credit-driven society. Now, who benefits on a credit-driven society?

GLENN: Well, I would say anybody who anyone who uses credit and makes the decision to use credit. I would say that.

CALLER: Okay. Well, can you actually get wealthy with credit?

GLENN: Well, you can, yeah. You can. Overwhelming debt, no. The scriptures would be right that overwhelming debt would make you a slave.

CALLER: Sure.

GLENN: But, no, you can -- you can borrow money to be able to start your own business.

CALLER: (Inaudible) yourself.

GLENN: Yes, in a realistic sort of way. Credit is --

CALLER: Sure.

GLENN: Credit is not evil. I'm sure. I'm not going to go down the Sharia law with you. Credit is not evil. It is the love of money or the complete disregard for responsible debt and responsibility for that debt after you've taken it.

PAT: May I? May I ask a question?

GLENN: Yeah, you can ask a question. Hang on just a second. Derrick, let Pat speak.

PAT: And yes, it is, but slavery is not voluntary. So -- so, when you volunteer for slavery, that's a whole different kind of slavery. You're not -- nobody is forcing these people to get into debt. No one -- no one, Derrick, is saddled with debt. A horse is saddled because a horse has no choice. Nobody asks the choice, Hey, could I put this on you? You get into the agreement with the bank yourself. Now, if you're out of control and you get so much debt that you can't live your life in a decent way, that is your responsibility.

GLENN: Now, let me go here on something on the bank bailout. You said these banks received TARP. No, sir.

CALLER: Sure.

GLENN: Some of them did. Many of them were forced by the government to take TARP, just as they were also -- just as they were also forced to live within the parameters that the government said that you must give loans to these people who cannot afford it. The government --

CALLER: Sure

GLENN: -- is the one that is really responsible for much of this and I'm sorry, as much as -- I mean, I just said to my daughter just last weekend, we had quite a discussion. Impersonally paying for their college educations. I have no problem paying for college educations. However, I told them, You know, gang, we are spending a lot of money on your college education. What exactly do you think you're going to get in return for that money and that college education? Now, I will tell you that my older kids are just about out of college now. So, it's too late for them, but my younger kids, I'm sorry, I am not paying for a college education that is this much money. It's insanity. We --

CALLER: Congratulations.

GLENN: Excuse me?

CALLER: I think that's a great idea. Why has it gone up so high.

GLENN: You would have to ask not the banks that, sir. You would have to ask the universities that.

STU: That's the point here.

GLENN: You notice that the ones that nobody's protesting against are the universities.

STU: Yep. Who are the least -- who is the least guilty person party here in this? The least guilty party is the bank. You have somebody who is asking for money and agreed to a contract to pay it back and is not able to do so.

PAT: Yeah.

STU: And you have a university that keeps jacking the price up over and over and over again way beyond inflation, way beyond even healthcare increase in cost and, yes, sir, the bank is on its --

CALLER: It's because of government intervention.

GLENN: Yeah. So, why are they not -- why are they, then, not at the White House and Congress? Why are they in front of the banks? If the banks --

CALLER: Well, they --

GLENN: Excuse me, sir. If the banks are forcing people and they are engaging in predatory loans where they are luring people in and saying, you've got -- oh, don't worry about it. Now, that's exactly what the government says the banks did, but I'm sorry, sir, the banks did not do that. Barnie Frank, Chris Dodd, those in Congress and those in the White House past and present, are the ones that did that, not the banks. I am not sticking up for the banks. I don't think the banks -- I think a lot of these guys -- I think a lot of these guys are criminal in their negligence on what they're doing. I think when it comes to CEO's, you can make a point, if they can't understand it, how could anyone understand it? If they don't know how to make it work, how could -- how would they -- why would they engage? It's black magic. You want to talk to me about the banks in that way? We'll do it. But don't talk to me about the banks on student loans. You took out a loan. You owe that money. You took out a loan. You got an education. They never promised you a job. It was an education. Now, what are you going to do with that education? You're now going to take that valuable education and say, I'm going to destroy everything with that education? You're out of your mind. I'm going to make others pay for my education? I'm going to destroy the system that allowed this society to have those universities? No, sir. No, sir. That's irresponsible and, quite honestly, check your Bible. I believe that is evil.

STU: Still on the Bible here. We're still in Bible country.

PAT: Yeah.

STU: Glenn, the other thing is the universities could have never charged the prices they pay if it wasn't for the government making it so they can get low interest loans and funneling our tax dollars to these universities.

GLENN: And telling the -- the universities are the ones who are teaching our children that capitalism is bad. The university -- excuse me. But where are all these economists in? All these people that put it all together, they're all the big university think tanks. The universities are the root of the problem, not all of the universities, not all of the professors, not higher education, not books, not learning, not -- not the book from Karl Marx, but the university system that has been set up. It is absolutely out of control.

You tell me how somebody's going to pay off a loan of $70,000 every year, $70,000 a year for four, six years? That's insane. And nobody questions that. No. Instead, we just give these universities more money. We just take our tax dollars and give them more. Nobody -- not once have I heard anybody in government talk about -- they'll talk about healthcare. Oh, they'll talk about healthcare. They'll talk about how things are in education. Not enough people are getting an education. Do you know why they're not? Because it's $40,000 a year. That's why. And now let me ask you, what exactly have they changed at these universities where they have to have a 500% increase in cost? Why? Cloward and Piven were teaching at universities. You want to -- you really want to collapse the system? Do you know what you do? If you -- think of this. If you're a revolutionary and you know I've got to get the youth, I have to get the youth behind it and I also have to overwhelm the system and collapse the system, what do you do? You make sure that nobody gets any kind of outside learning. You make sure that there's no apprenticeship programs. You make sure that everybody's a dummy unless you went to college and a good college and an expensive college and then you -- once you have that foundation laid, then you just keep increasing the cost, 100% this year, 100% next year, 100% the next year and the cost becomes so crippling but what you do is you keep those interest rates down, you keep everything and you spread it over so nobody really notices until it's so far out of control that no one can afford it anymore, no one can afford it and it doesn't make sense to have this higher education and then what do you do? Then you tell all of the students, don't pay your student loans, don't pay it. It's the bank's fault. That's how you sew the seeds of revolution and I contend that that's exactly what the revolutionaries, the Marxists, the hippies from the 1960's, the Bill Ayers of our universities did knowingly. Why aren't you marching against the universities? Why is it only the bank?

STU: That's a great point. I mean, you know, over and over again this happens and the market would not support the cost of these colleges without the government intervention. So, you have both of them working together.

GLENN: And when did that happen? And would you look that up? When did the United States really get into financing universities and financing student loans? When did that happen? Look it up. I have no idea. There's a question usually I don't -- it's not smart to ask a question you don't know the answer to, but I'll bet you it was in the 1970's

STU: The one thing we do know is it's been increasing and increasing and increasing, again it's the -- it's like the racist argument. It's like you can't be against giving more money to colleges because then you're against children. And, Glenn, correct me if I'm wrong because you think about this stuff several steps out farther than I do, but it's like is it -- no offense to the caller who just called in and made that point, but aren't the people who are at occupy Wall Street, the guy we talked about who identified himself as a Bolivian socialist, aren't people like that depending on guys like that caller, the mainstream person who just says, well, that's a pretty good point, we should go along with that?

GLENN: This is why I have worked tirelessly to tell you in advance, how many times, maybe you'll remember it now, how many times have I said, and it will all make sense. It will all make sense. They're going to scoop up so many people and they'll do it -- so many people, because, if -- look. This is -- we have been thought -- thank you, Edward Bernays, we have been taught a certain way to think. We have been taught to be consumers. Sir, don't talk to me about the banks. Talk to me about Edward Bernays. Talk to me about the propaganda system that the progressives built that took us from a country in their own words, a country of -- that went and focused on its needs and, instead, turned into a country that focused on its wants. That's our problem.

Here is -- here is a group of people that have planned this and they are going to scoop up all of the people who want, want a way out. Do you know why we believed -- well, everybody believed we can have everything, we can have everything. We wanted to believe that. We knew it was not true. Social Security, we know that's not true, but we accept the lies, the blatant lies. Oh, well, this doesn't really have any problem. We accept that. Why? Because if we don't, it requires us to think and behave differently and we don't want to. We like our life. We don't want to. Read Harry Truman. Read what happened to Harry Truman in 1919 when he and his partner went broke. Why? Because the progressive government of Woodrow Wilson drove our economy into a Cliff. He went broke. He would -- he refused, refused to go bankrupt. Instead, he worked it out with all of his creditors and he paid his last payment in 1939. It took him 20 years to pay off his debt. Don't talk to me about these banks. You don't owe them. You're not a slave to the bank. There is such a thing called bankruptcy, but is there anything called personal responsibility? You made the choice to go to school and take the loan. They never promised you anything but an education. Now, you want to go to them and say, I think I got a crappy ass education, I'll stand with you on that one, brother. They indoctrinated you. They're indoctrinating our children now, but don't tell me about a loan that you took out. I understand. And if you can't honestly pay it, if you are behind the 8 ball, you do everything you can, you work at every job you can to pay it off, but if you cannot make that, there's something called bankruptcy.

Now, a lot of people are now saying bankruptcy, that's your first option. It is your last option if we are a people of merit. But not anymore, because we have been taught to blame someone else. No. No.

By the way, thank you, Stu. Federal cash to students for college expanded greatly in 1965 as part of The Great Society. What a surprise. Back in a minute.

We've heard a lot about critical race theory lately, and for good reason: It's a racist ideology designed to corrupt our children and undermine our American values. But most of what we see are the results of a process that has been underway for decades. And that's not something the mainstream media, the Democrat Party, and even teachers unions want you to know. They're doing everything in their power to try and convince you that it's no big deal. They want to sweep everything under the rug and keep you in the dark. To fight it, we need to understand what fuels it.

On his Wednesday night special this week, Glenn Beck exposes the deep-seated Marxist origins of CRT and debunks the claims that it's just a harmless term for a school of legal scholarship. Newsweek opinion editor Josh Hammer joins to argue why we must ban critical race theory from our schools if we want to save a very divided nation.

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On the radio program Monday, Glenn Beck blasted the Democrats — and anyone else on the left — who have been so eager to open our southern U.S. border for the past several months, but also willing to turn a blind eye to the Cuban people in need of help today.

"While we are welcoming people from any country, all over the world, without any kind of information, and setting them into our country, putting them on American planes paid for by American taxpayers," Glenn began. "And our Coast Guard Cutters are turning these [Cuban] people away. Shame on you! Shame on you!"

Glenn said that he's "sick and tired" of hearing about "brave" leftist activists like Colin Kaepernick, who protest the America flag while wearing Che Guevara and Fidel Castro t-shirts. Meanwhile, the Cuban people are risking their lives by taking to the sea to escape their oppressive regime and come to America.

"Anybody who glorifies Che doesn't know their ass from their elbow. You can't call them a human rights activist. You're protesting the American flag, because you so deeply believe in the right to be free? And yet, you wear a Che T-shirt?" Glenn said.

Glenn went on to argue that, even though the left has "bastardized" the meaning of our country, he still believes America is the best nation on Earth. In fact, he'd give up his citizenship "in a heartbeat" if another country could prove to be better, more noble, and more free. But no other nation exists like ours, he said, which is why it's so imperative we fight for freedom here, in Cuba, and around the world.

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There's a new "reality" spreading, and the mere act of questioning it has become incredibly dangerous, Wall Street Journal investigative journalist Abigail Shrier told Glenn on the most recent episode of "The Glenn Beck Podcast."

Shrier's book, "Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters," exposes the radical gender activism that — like critical race theory — has overtaken our children's schools and culture. But even worse, she warned, it could end your parental rights for good.

Shrier made it clear she is by no means "anti-trans," but simply speaking up against the extremes of this new "reality" has made her enemy No. 1 to many activists. Her book has been bashed so hard by the Left that Target has stopped selling it twice, Amazon once banned ads for it, and the American Booksellers Association even called sending it to others "a serious, violent incident."

In the clip below, Shrier explained why she believes "there may be no hope for the public school system."

"You have teachers behaving like activists across the country who have no interest in actually teaching. They believe their job is to remake your child," she asserted. "We're seeing so much evidence of that, I think it's fair to say that it may be too deeply rooted in the ideology being taught in public school. I'm not sure that the public school system is redeemable at this point."

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What is actually in Texas' new GOP-led voting bill? Nearly every Texas House Democrat fled the state to block its passage, calling it racist and oppressive, and President Joe Biden backed them as well.

But Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) joined Glenn Beck on the radio program Friday to set the record straight and call out the lies: All of these claims are "completely false." He also explained his promise to "arrest" the Texas House Democrats when they return to the Lone Star State.

"What is in the bill is completely different than what they're saying, what Kamala Harris is saying, what President Biden is saying. What's in the bill actually increases the number of hours that people have to vote in the state of Texas. In the state of Texas, we have at least 12 days of early voting, and we are adding hours to those days. And on top of that, we are giving people time off from work to be able to vote. Bottom line, we're making it easier to vote in the state of Texas," Gov Abbott explained.

"In comparison, Delaware — the state that President Biden votes in — has exactly zero hours of early voting," he added. "That said, there is one thing that we're doing in the state of Texas, and that is we're making sure we tighten the reins on mail-in ballots that can lead to voter fraud. And it's not me saying that. It's a federal judge, appointed by Barack Obama, in Corpus Christi, Texas, who wrote in a legal opinion that voter fraud occurs, quote, in abundance as it concerns mail-in ballots. We know. Texans know. There is fraud in mail-in ballots in the state of Texas. It must be fixed. That's one thing we're trying to do. That being said, all these claims that we're denying people the right to vote and yada, yada, yada, are completely false."

Abbott went on to discuss the much-debated voter ID laws in Texas and to explain why Democrats insist on calling basic voter ID requirements "racist."

"When Democrats do not have truth on their side, they resort to one single word and that is 'racism' ... Texas implemented voter ID almost a decade ago, and when we went through that fight, what word did they use? Racism," he said. "Guess what? After Texas imposed voter ID requirements in the state of Texas, there have been more people voting and more people of color who went to vote. Voting didn't get harder. It got easier and more abundant in the state of Texas. And so, once again, Democrats have absolutely no legal standing, other than to say, 'racism.'"

Glenn asked Gov. Abbott to explain his pledge to "arrest" the Democratic lawmakers that fled once they return to Texas.

"Let me explain how this works. So, whenever there is a break of quorum, which is what is happening now — meaning there is not a sufficient number of people who are showing up to the Texas House of Representatives for the Texas House to engage in business. Whenever there's a quorum break like that, the House issues what's called a 'call on the House.' And when that happens, the sergeant-at-arms is authorized to work with the Texas Department of Public Safety, to — you can call it arrest, apprehend, whatever you want to call it — any of the members who are not in the Texas House of Representatives and bring them to the Texas House where they will be 'cabined' with no ability to leave the Texas House chamber, without a permission slip from the speaker."

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