Unlikely: Glenn Beck fan AND fan of OccupyWallstreet AND from Texas?

Glenn had quite an interesting caller on radio today. A long time fan who has listened to Glenn since 2002 called in to say he sympathized with the Occupy Wall Street protesters. And he's from Texas of all places. Why did the caller sympathize with these left wing, anti-corporate, anti-cop crowd? Get the answer and the debate that followed on radio today in the clip above!

Get the full transcript of this interesting conversation below:

GLENN: We have a caller on the phone that -- on our phone that listens to this show that says, You know what? I think the guys that occupy Wall Street, I think they make some sense. Wow. We talk to him, now.

(Music playing.)

GLENN: And he's from Texas.

PAT: It's not possible.

GLENN: Derrick? Derrick?

CALLER: Yeah, Glenn. Thanks for the big intro, man.

GLENN: You're welcome. How are you?

CALLER: I'm good. I've been listening to your show since 2002.

GLENN: Okay.

CALLER: So, yeah, I've been listening a very long time. Always enjoyed it.

GLENN: And are you -- and you are a born and bred Texan?

CALLER: I am, indeed. I'm probably more conservative than you are, believe it or not.

GLENN: And you're in -- and you're in -- you're not in --

PAT: Austin.

GLENN: Austin?

CALLER: No.

PAT: Where do you live? Where in Texas?

CALLER: I'm actually about 80 miles east of Austin, in the own of Fredericksburg.

PAT: Uh-huh.

GLENN: Okay.

CALLER: Did I say east? I went west. Sorry.

GLENN: All right. Go ahead.

CALLER: Okay. Here's my thinking on this. I think you're kind of looping them all into one basket. I've been watching some news programs at night and I see some signs they're holding up that make sense. There's one in particular that caught my eye. It said student loan equals slavery, student loan debt equals slavery and that is a --

PAT: And that made sense to you?

GLENN: Hold on just a second. Let him speak. Go ahead, Derrick.

CALLER: Debt equals slavery. Look it up in the Bible.

PAT: Okay. Well --

GLENN: Hang on. Let the man speak, Pat.

PAT: He's done speaking.

GLENN: No, he's not. Go ahead. Go ahead.

CALLER: Here is the -- I think the fundamental issue of this whole thing is that some of these banks that these guys are protesting on Wall Street are the same ones that received the TARP bailout.

GLENN: Yes.

CALLER: I think they are frustrated because they can't find work, they've been saddled with this huge amount of debt that these banks have loaned them, obviously it takes two to tango, but at the same time, these banks did receive these huge bailouts. Some of the students definitely want a bailout for themselves, but, you know, we're in a credit -- we live in a credit-driven society and I don't know when the transition took place. I stayed at a hotel with my wife in San Antonio about a year ago and in the lobby was this huge mural that was painted in the depression and the words written on that mural were: Thrift is the pathway to wealth.

Now, sometime between then and now we have gone to a credit-driven society. Now, who benefits on a credit-driven society?

GLENN: Well, I would say anybody who anyone who uses credit and makes the decision to use credit. I would say that.

CALLER: Okay. Well, can you actually get wealthy with credit?

GLENN: Well, you can, yeah. You can. Overwhelming debt, no. The scriptures would be right that overwhelming debt would make you a slave.

CALLER: Sure.

GLENN: But, no, you can -- you can borrow money to be able to start your own business.

CALLER: (Inaudible) yourself.

GLENN: Yes, in a realistic sort of way. Credit is --

CALLER: Sure.

GLENN: Credit is not evil. I'm sure. I'm not going to go down the Sharia law with you. Credit is not evil. It is the love of money or the complete disregard for responsible debt and responsibility for that debt after you've taken it.

PAT: May I? May I ask a question?

GLENN: Yeah, you can ask a question. Hang on just a second. Derrick, let Pat speak.

PAT: And yes, it is, but slavery is not voluntary. So -- so, when you volunteer for slavery, that's a whole different kind of slavery. You're not -- nobody is forcing these people to get into debt. No one -- no one, Derrick, is saddled with debt. A horse is saddled because a horse has no choice. Nobody asks the choice, Hey, could I put this on you? You get into the agreement with the bank yourself. Now, if you're out of control and you get so much debt that you can't live your life in a decent way, that is your responsibility.

GLENN: Now, let me go here on something on the bank bailout. You said these banks received TARP. No, sir.

CALLER: Sure.

GLENN: Some of them did. Many of them were forced by the government to take TARP, just as they were also -- just as they were also forced to live within the parameters that the government said that you must give loans to these people who cannot afford it. The government --

CALLER: Sure

GLENN: -- is the one that is really responsible for much of this and I'm sorry, as much as -- I mean, I just said to my daughter just last weekend, we had quite a discussion. Impersonally paying for their college educations. I have no problem paying for college educations. However, I told them, You know, gang, we are spending a lot of money on your college education. What exactly do you think you're going to get in return for that money and that college education? Now, I will tell you that my older kids are just about out of college now. So, it's too late for them, but my younger kids, I'm sorry, I am not paying for a college education that is this much money. It's insanity. We --

CALLER: Congratulations.

GLENN: Excuse me?

CALLER: I think that's a great idea. Why has it gone up so high.

GLENN: You would have to ask not the banks that, sir. You would have to ask the universities that.

STU: That's the point here.

GLENN: You notice that the ones that nobody's protesting against are the universities.

STU: Yep. Who are the least -- who is the least guilty person party here in this? The least guilty party is the bank. You have somebody who is asking for money and agreed to a contract to pay it back and is not able to do so.

PAT: Yeah.

STU: And you have a university that keeps jacking the price up over and over and over again way beyond inflation, way beyond even healthcare increase in cost and, yes, sir, the bank is on its --

CALLER: It's because of government intervention.

GLENN: Yeah. So, why are they not -- why are they, then, not at the White House and Congress? Why are they in front of the banks? If the banks --

CALLER: Well, they --

GLENN: Excuse me, sir. If the banks are forcing people and they are engaging in predatory loans where they are luring people in and saying, you've got -- oh, don't worry about it. Now, that's exactly what the government says the banks did, but I'm sorry, sir, the banks did not do that. Barnie Frank, Chris Dodd, those in Congress and those in the White House past and present, are the ones that did that, not the banks. I am not sticking up for the banks. I don't think the banks -- I think a lot of these guys -- I think a lot of these guys are criminal in their negligence on what they're doing. I think when it comes to CEO's, you can make a point, if they can't understand it, how could anyone understand it? If they don't know how to make it work, how could -- how would they -- why would they engage? It's black magic. You want to talk to me about the banks in that way? We'll do it. But don't talk to me about the banks on student loans. You took out a loan. You owe that money. You took out a loan. You got an education. They never promised you a job. It was an education. Now, what are you going to do with that education? You're now going to take that valuable education and say, I'm going to destroy everything with that education? You're out of your mind. I'm going to make others pay for my education? I'm going to destroy the system that allowed this society to have those universities? No, sir. No, sir. That's irresponsible and, quite honestly, check your Bible. I believe that is evil.

STU: Still on the Bible here. We're still in Bible country.

PAT: Yeah.

STU: Glenn, the other thing is the universities could have never charged the prices they pay if it wasn't for the government making it so they can get low interest loans and funneling our tax dollars to these universities.

GLENN: And telling the -- the universities are the ones who are teaching our children that capitalism is bad. The university -- excuse me. But where are all these economists in? All these people that put it all together, they're all the big university think tanks. The universities are the root of the problem, not all of the universities, not all of the professors, not higher education, not books, not learning, not -- not the book from Karl Marx, but the university system that has been set up. It is absolutely out of control.

You tell me how somebody's going to pay off a loan of $70,000 every year, $70,000 a year for four, six years? That's insane. And nobody questions that. No. Instead, we just give these universities more money. We just take our tax dollars and give them more. Nobody -- not once have I heard anybody in government talk about -- they'll talk about healthcare. Oh, they'll talk about healthcare. They'll talk about how things are in education. Not enough people are getting an education. Do you know why they're not? Because it's $40,000 a year. That's why. And now let me ask you, what exactly have they changed at these universities where they have to have a 500% increase in cost? Why? Cloward and Piven were teaching at universities. You want to -- you really want to collapse the system? Do you know what you do? If you -- think of this. If you're a revolutionary and you know I've got to get the youth, I have to get the youth behind it and I also have to overwhelm the system and collapse the system, what do you do? You make sure that nobody gets any kind of outside learning. You make sure that there's no apprenticeship programs. You make sure that everybody's a dummy unless you went to college and a good college and an expensive college and then you -- once you have that foundation laid, then you just keep increasing the cost, 100% this year, 100% next year, 100% the next year and the cost becomes so crippling but what you do is you keep those interest rates down, you keep everything and you spread it over so nobody really notices until it's so far out of control that no one can afford it anymore, no one can afford it and it doesn't make sense to have this higher education and then what do you do? Then you tell all of the students, don't pay your student loans, don't pay it. It's the bank's fault. That's how you sew the seeds of revolution and I contend that that's exactly what the revolutionaries, the Marxists, the hippies from the 1960's, the Bill Ayers of our universities did knowingly. Why aren't you marching against the universities? Why is it only the bank?

STU: That's a great point. I mean, you know, over and over again this happens and the market would not support the cost of these colleges without the government intervention. So, you have both of them working together.

GLENN: And when did that happen? And would you look that up? When did the United States really get into financing universities and financing student loans? When did that happen? Look it up. I have no idea. There's a question usually I don't -- it's not smart to ask a question you don't know the answer to, but I'll bet you it was in the 1970's

STU: The one thing we do know is it's been increasing and increasing and increasing, again it's the -- it's like the racist argument. It's like you can't be against giving more money to colleges because then you're against children. And, Glenn, correct me if I'm wrong because you think about this stuff several steps out farther than I do, but it's like is it -- no offense to the caller who just called in and made that point, but aren't the people who are at occupy Wall Street, the guy we talked about who identified himself as a Bolivian socialist, aren't people like that depending on guys like that caller, the mainstream person who just says, well, that's a pretty good point, we should go along with that?

GLENN: This is why I have worked tirelessly to tell you in advance, how many times, maybe you'll remember it now, how many times have I said, and it will all make sense. It will all make sense. They're going to scoop up so many people and they'll do it -- so many people, because, if -- look. This is -- we have been thought -- thank you, Edward Bernays, we have been taught a certain way to think. We have been taught to be consumers. Sir, don't talk to me about the banks. Talk to me about Edward Bernays. Talk to me about the propaganda system that the progressives built that took us from a country in their own words, a country of -- that went and focused on its needs and, instead, turned into a country that focused on its wants. That's our problem.

Here is -- here is a group of people that have planned this and they are going to scoop up all of the people who want, want a way out. Do you know why we believed -- well, everybody believed we can have everything, we can have everything. We wanted to believe that. We knew it was not true. Social Security, we know that's not true, but we accept the lies, the blatant lies. Oh, well, this doesn't really have any problem. We accept that. Why? Because if we don't, it requires us to think and behave differently and we don't want to. We like our life. We don't want to. Read Harry Truman. Read what happened to Harry Truman in 1919 when he and his partner went broke. Why? Because the progressive government of Woodrow Wilson drove our economy into a Cliff. He went broke. He would -- he refused, refused to go bankrupt. Instead, he worked it out with all of his creditors and he paid his last payment in 1939. It took him 20 years to pay off his debt. Don't talk to me about these banks. You don't owe them. You're not a slave to the bank. There is such a thing called bankruptcy, but is there anything called personal responsibility? You made the choice to go to school and take the loan. They never promised you anything but an education. Now, you want to go to them and say, I think I got a crappy ass education, I'll stand with you on that one, brother. They indoctrinated you. They're indoctrinating our children now, but don't tell me about a loan that you took out. I understand. And if you can't honestly pay it, if you are behind the 8 ball, you do everything you can, you work at every job you can to pay it off, but if you cannot make that, there's something called bankruptcy.

Now, a lot of people are now saying bankruptcy, that's your first option. It is your last option if we are a people of merit. But not anymore, because we have been taught to blame someone else. No. No.

By the way, thank you, Stu. Federal cash to students for college expanded greatly in 1965 as part of The Great Society. What a surprise. Back in a minute.

If we learned nothing from the media over the past 4 years it's that colluding with a foreign entity to either win an election or for personal gain is absolutely grotesque. Well, that depends on whether you have a (D) or (R) before your name anyway. President Trump was impeached on rumor and innuendo yet Joe Biden has all but skated on his corruption up to this point.

Below is a timeline that shows the level of corruption and the lengths the Biden's went to in order to build that family's wealth and influence internationally.

2009

In 2009, Joe Biden was the brand-new Vice President and John Kerry was a U.S. Senator. Just five months after Joe was sworn in, his son Hunter, and Kerry's stepson, Christopher Heinz, formed an international private equity firm called Rosemont Capital. It had several different branches, including one called Rosemont Seneca Partners.

2010

Just nine months after Rosemont Seneca opened its doors, Hunter Biden went to China for meetings with executives from China's biggest banks, and its sovereign wealth and social security funds. That's unheard-of access for a brand-new firm. Was it just coincidence that at the same time Hunter was meeting these Chinese bigwigs, his dad was meeting with China's then-president Hu Jintao in Washington DC at a nuclear security summit?

2011

In May 2011, Joe Biden met with Chinese officials for the U.S.-China Strategic & Economic Dialogue conference in Washington. Just two weeks later, Hunter Biden went to Taiwan for meetings with the same Chinese financial giants he'd met in China in 2010, plus some new ones.

2013

By December 2013, Joe Biden was enjoying his second term as VP, and John Kerry was now Secretary of State. That's when Joe traveled to Beijing on an extended official trip and Hunter traveled with him on Air Force Two.

During their stay, Vice President Biden met with President Xi and Hunter was mostly out of sight. We don't know exactly what he was up to, but the deal finalized between Rosemont Seneca and the Bank of China just ten days after the Bidens' trip pretty much gives it away. The most powerful financial institution in China formed a joint venture with tiny Rosemont Seneca to create a giant new investment firm called Bohai Harvest RST – the "RS" stands for Rosemont Seneca.

The firm is often called "BHR" for short.

Hunter Biden was a member of the Board. Remember, the Bank of China is government-owned, which means its business is completely intertwined with the goals of the Chinese Communist Party. BHR also got the freedom to operate in the newly created Shanghai Free-Trade Zone where, over the next six years, it would use $2.5 billion of Chinese government money to invest in China, as well as in other countries, including the U.S.

During their Beijing trip, Hunter also introduced Jonathan Li to his dad. Li is Hunter's business partner – he's CEO and Director of BHR.

Hunter arranged for Joe to meet Li in the lobby of the hotel where they stayed during their Beijing trip.

2014

In 2014, one of BHR's first major investments was in the China General Nuclear Power Corporation.

CGN is a Chinese government-owned nuclear power company that sold off a stake of the company to outside investors. Problem is, CGN was under FBI investigation for paying informants in the U.S. to steal nuclear secrets.

In 2016, the FBI arrested the ringleader of this nuclear espionage, a man named Allen Ho.

When they arrested Ho, he was using a random code generator to access funds being provided to him from – where else? – the Bank of China.

Yet while this FBI probe was going on, the son of the Vice President owned a stake in the company being investigated. And even after arrests were made, Rosemont Seneca did not alter its relationship with BHR, nor did it divest from CGN, even though it was stealing U.S. nuclear secrets.

2015

In 2015, BHR partnered with the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) to buy an American company called Henniges for $600 million.

AVIC is a gigantic military contractor in China – think Lockheed Martin – that makes fighter jets, bombers and drones. BHR bought 49% of Henniges and AVIC bought 51%.

Henniges is a precision parts manufacturer specializing in anti-vibration technology. The stuff they make is known as "dual use" by the U.S. State Department, which means the technology can also have a military application.

Because of that, the deal had to be approved by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the U.S. (CFIUS) since it could have national security implications. The thing is, the American side of BHR – meaning Hunter Biden and his pals – had to know there were serious national security implications with AVIC.

The year before they formed a partnership with AVIC, the Wall Street Journal reported how AVIC stole technology related to the U.S. Air Force's F-35 stealth fighter and used it in its own stealth fighter for the Chinese.

How the Committee on Foreign Investment approved that deal remains a mystery. CFIUS does not publicly disclose any information regarding its decisions. Their findings are not publicly announced.

Interesting that China accounted for the largest share – with 74 transactions – approved by CFIUS during Obama's second term (2013-2015).

Under the umbrella of Rosemont Capital was a real estate company called Rosemont Realty. In 2015, a Chinese company called Gemini Investments bought a 75% stake in Rosemont Realty. The company was renamed Gemini Rosemont

Gemini brought $3 billion to the partnership with Rosemont, with the aim of buying "Class A institutional-quality commercial office properties in U.S. markets."

Red flag (literally) – Gemini Investments is a subsidiary of the China Ocean Shipping Company, a.k.a., "COSCO."

COSCO is a Chinese government-owned company. Its headquarters in Beijing is actually next to the headquarters of the Bank of China. COSCO is well-known for its close military ties. It's essentially a branch of the Chinese Navy.

2017

In 2017, BHR invested in Face++. That's the facial recognition phone app built by a Chinese company that is incorporated in a separate app built by the Chinese government. Police in the Xinjiang [Sin-jong] region of China use that app to keep tabs on citizens, and track and detain Uiguhr [Wee-ger] Muslims.

The app allows police easy access to data about Chinese Muslims including things like religious activity, blood type, and even the amount of electricity they use.

2018

In March 2018, a spokesman (Chris Bastardi) for Christopher Heinz (John Kerry's stepson) emailed The Hill to say that Heinz had "no operating role" in Rosemont Seneca, and that he was not involved in any of Rosemont's deals in China (which contradicts Schweizer's report in his book Secret Empires).

Chris Heinz was involved in Rosemont Capital. Rosemont Seneca was established under the same GP as Rosemont Capital, but Chris Heinz had no operating role in it. Chris and his family have no financial interest or investment in Bohai Harvest RST, he has never traveled to China, and he has never met with the firm's Chinese management team or investors.

2019

In October 2019, Hunter Biden's lawyer, George Mesires, said Hunter did not conduct any business on that 2013 trip to Beijing with his Dad.

Mesires said the timing of BHR's business license getting approved was purely coincidental because the paperwork had been submitted months before the Bidens' China trip.

According to Hunter's lawyer, the approval " was not related in any way, shape or form to Hunter's visit."

Hunter Biden finally stepped down from the BHR board last October (2019), but he DID NOT give up his 10% stake in the company.

When Bevan Cooney — the former "junior" business partner to Hunter Biden and Devon Archer — went to jail in 2019, investigative reporter and New York Times bestselling author Peter Schweizer thought he'd never gain access to the damning emails Cooney had promised. That all changed three weeks ago when Schweizer was given complete access to Cooney's gmail account.

Schweizer joined Glenn Beck on the radio program Tuesday to describe just some of the business deals revealed within these emails — like Hunter working with an alleged Russian criminal and with Chinese communists to secure their assets, or to secure one-on-one time with his dad, then-Vice President Joe Biden. And all of this new information is completely separate from the emails allegedly discovered on Hunter Biden's laptop recently reported by the New York Post.

"So, I want to make this clear. This [Cooney's emails] has nothing to do with what's on the laptop … It didn't come from [Rudy] Giuliani. It didn't come from anybody else, right?" Glenn asked Schweizer.

"That's absolutely correct," Schweizer confirmed.

He briefly explained how Cooney, a former Los Angeles nightclub owner, is currently serving a prison sentence for his involvement in a fraudulent business bond scheme with Biden and Archer. From prison, Cooney gave Schweizer written permission to access his Gmail account.

"This is really important," he noted. "We're not looking at printouts. Not looking at PDFs. We're actually in his Gmail accounts themselves, sifting through these emails. And there's a shocking amount of information about deals involving China, involving Russia, involving all sorts of things they were trying to pull off."

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The king of "No Spin" and bestselling author of "Killing Crazy Horse," Bill O'Reilly joined Glenn Beck on this week's podcast to talk about the latest developments in Joe Biden's Ukraine and China corruption scandal. Now that some of the details are finally coming out in the open, does the average Democrat care? Maybe, but the Left doesn't seem to.

O'Reilly argued there's more hatred for President Donald Trump now than in 2016, and that some people hate President Trump so much that they'd rather vote for the "senile, corrupt" Joe Biden.

"Hunter got tens of millions of dollars from Ukraine, from Russia, from China because his father was vice president. I have no doubt in my mind," O'Reilly said. "But the hatred for Donald Trump overrides that in the minds of millions of viewers. They're saying, 'You know, we'd rather have the senile corrupt guy than Trump.'"

Asked by Glenn if any other Republican running for president would be met with the same level of vitriol, O'Reilly answered, "The Left is the Left. They don't like America. The want to redo the Constitution. They want to take some of our freedoms, like the Second Amendment and the First Amendment, and change them. And they want to destroy capitalism and replace it with a big centralized government in Washington that controls the economy … but I'm talking about the folks. I have liberal friends and I say to them, 'Do you not understand that when you vote for Biden, you're voting against your own self interest?'"

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In a phone call with his constituents, Senator Ben Sasse (R-Neb) unleashed a torrent of criticisms about President Donald Trump, saying he "flirted with white supremacists," "kisses dictators' butts," and "spends like a drunken sailor."

On the radio program Friday, Glenn said he was disappointed in Sen. Sasse for apparently forgetting all of President Trump's accomplishments. Because, in reality, Trump has accomplished a lot more than many presidents before him.

Then, for anyone who may have forgotten President Trump's achievements — or who simply hate the man so much they've ignored them — Glenn listed just some of the many things this president has achieved during his three and a half years in the White House.

Watch the video below to hear Glenn's message for all the Trump-haters who have forgotten Trump's accomplishments, or you can read Glenn's list HERE:

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