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The 'Muslim Ban': Should We Take Giuliani Literally?

As written, President Trump's executive order temporarily banning certain people from entering the US cannot be considered a so-called "Muslim ban." However, talking heads like former NYC Mayor Rudi Giuliani have muddied the waters.

"That Giuliani came out and said, Donald Trump just wanted a clever way to do a Muslim ban, that's the problem with it. Do you take him serious or literally?" Glenn said Tuesday on radio.

What easy test did Stu give the Trump administration to clear up this matter?

Watch the video above or read the transcript below for answers.

STU: I'm really hoping for a question from the -- maybe to Spicer today or Trump in some interview. Because I think there's an easy way for him to push off all of this Muslim ban talk that everybody keeps mentioning. Because the executive order does not say that.

He did -- and I understand why people are jumping to that. But that policy, which I opposed as vigilantly as anyone, the initial Trump proposal of a Muslim ban I think was unconstitutional and horrible.

GLENN: Right.

STU: But that policy is not this policy.

GLENN: Correct.

STU: So here's an easy way to test the Trump administration: Population of Iran is made up of 89 percent Shia Muslims and 9 percent Sunni Muslims. In Iran, Sunni Muslims are a religious minority. If they were persecuted by a terrible Iranian government, would they be allowed to go to the front of the line once refugee admissions continue like other religious minorities? If Episcopalians started violently persecuting Presbyterians somewhere, no one would say, "Well, they're all Christians, so you don't to have worry about it." The distinction would be important.

And I think what would surprise a lot of people is that Sunni Muslims being imported in that scenario --

GLENN: Do you think Spicer could answer that? I don't know enough about Spicer yet.

STU: I don't know, but, I mean, it's a good question to ask. And if the Trump administration were smart, they would say, "Wait a minute. Yeah, they would be okay." They're certainly okay by the language of it. Only the intent would prevent this from occurring.

GLENN: Right. The Giuliani problem is the sticking point here.

STU: It's very tough. Yeah, very tough.

GLENN: That Giuliani came out and said, "Donald Trump just wanted a clever way to do a Muslim ban." That's the problem with it. Do you take him serious or literally?

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