Sen. Mike Lee Explains Why He Couldn't Vote for the BCRA—And Continues to Support a Full Repeal

Senator Mike Lee (R-UT) joined Glenn on radio today to discuss the senate's latest version of the health care bill flatlining. Lee was among a handful of senators who refused to vote for the bill, which failed to provide the relief needed to assist everyday Americans.

"One or two of the bravest men in the Senate, Mike Lee," Glenn said, welcoming Lee to the program. "Thank you so much for your bravery and your leadership on this."

Not only did the bill fail, it also prompted the president to tweet about passing a full repeal of Obamacare.

"Just because some moderates don't like to have to vote for it or against it. I don't see any good reason why, when this is the one thing that has united Republicans for seven years, why we should let anyone who has attained federal public office by campaigning on repealing Obamacare, to walk away from a vote to actually repeal Obamacare," Lee said.

GLENN: One or two of the bravest men in the Senate, Mike Lee. Welcome to the program. How are you, Mike? Mike, are you there?

MIKE: Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Good to be with you.

GLENN: Hi. Good to be with you.

Thank you so much for your bravery and your leadership on this. You did provide an amendment, along with Ted Cruz. But in the end, they changed it. And what was it that made you say, I just can't vote for this bill?

MIKE: To me, one of the tipping points was the moment when the consumer freedom amendment -- this is the amendment that would have allowed people on the exchange to offer an insurance policy that a consumer would want to buy and an insurer would want to offer, outside of the Obamacare regulations, outside of this oppressive regime that has made health care more expensive.

They watered that down to say that any company that's going to offer a non-Obamacare compliant plan would have to put that in the same risk pool as the Obamacare-compliant plans. The short way of describing my concern with that is that, while that would reduce the cost of health insurance some, in that area, it wouldn't do so nearly as much as it would if you just adopted the full consumer freedom amendment, as we have negotiated it.

So at that point, I looked at this, Glenn, and I said, look, this bill as they've now got it, it's moved further to the left. They have now gotten rid of about half of the tax hike repeals from Obamacare. They've added a bunch of other stuff to it that I have questions about, including $45 billion to be spent in some unknown way, to deal with opioid addiction. And now they've watered down this key provision that I think was really important. It was at that point that I realized, this thing just keeps moving to the left, and I'm not going to support it, in its current form.

GLENN: Okay. So, Mike, people aren't thinking about left and right. The people who are really affected by Obamacare -- you know, I said earlier, if this bill, Obamacare would have actually done what they said it would do, which is reduce everybody's insurance by $2,500, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. But people have gone up -- their insurance has gone up 140 percent. People have lost doctors. I got an email last night saying, you know, I have a 6,500-dollar deductible. And I pay $1,500 a month for my insurance. I can't afford it anymore. Talk to them.

MIKE: Yeah, that's right.

GLENN: Talk to them.

MIKE: That's why I have such concerns with this bill. This bill is really good to the insurance industry. It contains some provisions that someone would describe as bailouts. I don't always call them that, but some would characterize them that way. It contains all kinds of relief for this or for that kind of interest.

The person it leaves out is the forgotten man, the forgotten woman, the middle class American who is struggling to get by, who is seeing health care premiums hike over and over and over again, even as deductibles have skyrocketed and coverage has become less pervasive. And this bill doesn't provide enough relief to them. I want to make sure that the forgotten man and the forgotten woman in America are forgotten no more. And that we get Washington, DC, out of their way.

STU: Senator, you -- by your framing of this argument, this bill would have relieved us of half of the Obamacare taxes. It would have relieved us -- at some level, lowered the cost of insurance and lowered premiums. Not as much you would want, not as much as any of us would want. Why not just take what you can get and keep fighting?

MIKE: First of all, once we get on to the bill, it becomes very, very difficult to change it. Now, I'm still convinced that we can pass something. I'm still convinced that we could pass either some variation of this bill, with some changes made to it. Changes that I believe would be relatively easy to make. Or alternatively, that we could get on to a full repeal and just pass that. It's important that we actually do those things. Because the further we divert -- the further we depart from what we've been promising for seven years, what every Republican who has campaigned for any federal office, since 2010 -- whether for the House or for the Senate or for the presidency, they've all campaigned on one consistent theme: Repeal Obamacare. We have to make sure that we're faithful to that promise.

GLENN: Okay. So, Mike, the skeptics now say that we can't repeal Obamacare. President Trump, last night, I guess was having dinner with a bunch of senators, trying to get them on board, not knowing that you were writing your why we can't support this. And so his dinner last night was -- was wasted.

STU: Should have invited you apparently.

GLENN: Yeah, should have invited you.

But now they're saying -- the president has come out, and so has what's his name from Kentucky?

MIKE: Rand Paul.

GLENN: McConnell. No, no, no. McConnell has come out and said, "Okay. We're going to repeal it now." A, do they actually mean the repeal as we understand it? Can we do that with 51 votes? And what's standing in the way?

MIKE: I believe we can repeal it with 51 votes. We know that we can repeal at least two-thirds of it with 51 votes because we got that through the parliamentary and under this reconciliation measure in 2015. That's the one that President Obama vetoed.

I also believe we could add to that one and get in some additional features, the title one health care regulations. At least in part, it could be added to those and get those repealed.

As to whether we can get the votes, there are some who are expressing skepticism about that. But, Glenn, I'm unwilling to assume that we can't get there just because some moderates don't like it.


MIKE: Just because some moderates don't like to have to vote for it or against it. I don't see any good reason why, when this is the one thing that has united Republicans for seven years, why we should let anyone who has attained federal public office by campaigning on repealing Obamacare, to walk away from a vote to actually repeal Obamacare.

GLENN: Right. At least -- as I said this morning, at least we know who they are.

MIKE: Exactly.

GLENN: Right now -- right now, we're asked to compromise to the worst bill I could imagine Republicans could possibly present. And we're not making people stand on their promise. We need to know who is weak-kneed and who is lying to their constituents.

MIKE: That's exactly right. And that's one of the reasons why I applaud Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and why I applaud the president in responding last night to this news by saying, "Okay. Let's repeal it."

GLENN: Okay. So if they do repeal it, just pass what they have passed how many times before, will that reduce people's premiums?

MIKE: You know what, it will at least set in motion a sequence of events that will reduce people's premiums. We have to remember, Glenn, that when the federal government expanded its footprint in the health care industry, rather dramatically, with the passage of Obamacare, it made the cost of health care go way up. And it will do an enormous amount of good, as far as lowering premiums, if we can also get rid of the Obamacare title one regulations. These are the regulations that tell insurance companies what they have to do.

GLENN: Right.

MIKE: In other words, if we were analogizing this to the car industry, you can't just buy a car. Everybody has to buy a car. But it can't be just any car. It has to be a car that will have all the features of a standard issue Cadillac or anything more expensive than that.

When we impose regulations like that, it makes it more expensive for everyone. It reduces competition. It's good for consolidation and big industry, resulting in $15 billion in profits in the top ten insurance companies in the last few years, down from 8 billion before Obamacare had kicked in. These things are good for them, but they're bad for everyone else.

PAT: Mike, can I ask you a question, just borne of extreme frustration over years of witnessing this?

MIKE: Sure. With that lead-in, that sounds fun.

PAT: Why is it Republicans are so bad at defending their bills and their principles? Every time something comes up, we have Bernie Sanders screaming that thousands and thousands -- 27,000 people a year are going to die as a result of what you're doing. Nancy Pelosi comes out and makes those statements. And I never see that stuff refuted by the Republican Party.

GLENN: We run. We run.

PAT: We tuck our tail between our legs. And skulk back and say, "Okay. Well, then we won't do that then." Why does that happen every time?

MIKE: Well, you raise an important point, which is that when someone raises a ridiculous argument, the worst thing we can do is to not address it and then walk back on what we've planned to do.

PAT: Uh-huh.

MIKE: There are cases in which people make a ridiculous, absurd suggestion like that, where it almost doesn't even warrant a response. I mean, that is just absurd to say that we're killing people by changing the reach of the federal government, by saying the federal government shouldn't make every health care decision in America.

PAT: It is absurd. But the media buys into it and propagates it.

MIKE: Sure. Sure. But the very worst thing we can do in response to that is to say, okay. Well, then let's not do that. Let's do something that's a little bit more like what Obamacare did. And that will suddenly make it better.

Well, it doesn't. It doesn't at all.

I mean, look we are supposed to be the party that believes in limited government. We're supposed to be the party that believes in federalism and separation of powers. That believes in freedom and free markets. That believes that free markets and civil society have done more to bring more people out of poverty than any government program ever has, ever could, or ever will. That's where we've got to be standing. And I think that's the direction in which we're headed, insofar as we move forward with an actual repeal bill.

STU: Two quick questions, Senator Mike Lee: One -- these are brief. So, one, the 2015 repeal bill did not repeal any of the regulations. Is that accurate?

MIKE: That is accurate. We believe we could add some or perhaps even all of the health care regulation sections from Title One of the Affordable Care Act to a repeal bill. There were a variety of strategic reasons why those weren't included at the time. Some parliamentary difficulty we would have had at the time, that we could overcome this time.

GLENN: Okay.

STU: Okay. And last one, there are 52 senators. We know Susan Collins voted against the repeal in 2015. So you would only have one to lose. If everyone voted the way they did in 2015, do you have enough votes to pass this?

MIKE: Yes. Yes. Because at that point, even assuming Susan Collins still votes no, you would pick up Rand Paul, who would vote for a repeal bill. You would pick up Jerry Moran, who stood with me last night. You would pick up with me. So if everyone else also votes for it, that would be more than enough that we would need. We would still have 51.

GLENN: Okay. One last -- one last thing. I want you to speak directly to the person who is a Republican who says you've wrecked our best chance, Mike, of getting rid of Obamacare. And you betrayed the G.O.P. and betrayed the president.

MIKE: If you're going to make that assertion, back it up. If you're going to make that assertion, ask the question: Why have Senate Republicans not yet voted on that which they promised for seven years they would enact if given the opportunity? Why have they not yet voted even on the 2015 version of the repeal bill.

You cannot accuse someone who wants us to do simply that which we promised, of wrecking the effort to do that which we promised, when that person -- me -- is simply advocating for us to do what we said we would do. That's all we're asking here. It's not too much to ask, nor is it something that the American people should be asked to back away from.

We've been asked to settle over and over and over again as Americans. I'm here to say it's not time to settle. It's time to expect more. It's time for us to keep our word.

GLENN: Okay. One last -- now, talk to the person who is just barely hanging on. When is help coming, Mike?

MIKE: Help is coming soon. Help is coming, I hope, within the next few weeks, to the next few months, when we can pass something that will get rid of the federal government's oppressive reach. We believe so solve all of our problems through the federal government. And, in fact, what we see is that when we try to do that, when we try to pretend that we can do that, we end up making things worse. It ends up being really good for the rich and the well-connected. A small handful of big wealthy corporations and power brokers in Washington and a few other major cities will do really well any time the federal government extends its reach. But everyone else tends to suffer.

So the relief we can provide, the best relief we can provide from Washington is to get Washington out of your way so that you can do what you do best and so that people will compete to provide health care services to you. When we have people competing for that, to a greater degree than we have now, the price goes down and the quality goes up. That's what we're after.

GLENN: And you believe that you are now -- or the president and Mitch McConnell are at least saying that they're on the same page with you. You're saying the same thing now. Repeal Obamacare. And we'll work on what we have to do after we peel what was put in place.

MIKE: That is exactly right. And, Glenn, I want to emphasize this point. Because a lot of people will say, why did the Republicans not have anything on day one?

The problem with this is that the one thing that always has united us has been repeal. And that's what we should have done at the outset. There never has been widespread agreement among Republicans on what should come next. So we should start with what unites us. Repeal has united us for several years. Repeal needs to be the message right now. And repeal is the one thing we can achieve.

GLENN: Okay. Great. Mike Lee, senator from Utah. Thank you so much, sir. I appreciate it.

MIKE: Thank you very much. Good to be with you.

GLENN: You bet. I personally take this as a big win. You know, to see the president within two hours and Mitch McConnell by the next morning say, "Okay. We're going to repeal." I look at that as a huge, huge win.

STU: Also, I will be introducing the clone Mike Lee Act. We need it.

GLENN: Boy, boy.


THIS is why global elites & the WEF want you to OWN NOTHING

Global elites and the World Economic Forum may be trying to hide it now, but they’ve clearly stated in the past that by 2030, they want you to ‘OWN NOTHING.’ And that goal, Glenn explains, run entirely oppositely to the principles on which America was founded. Ownership is a HUGE part of the American experiment, so what happens when it’s taken away from us? In this clip, Glenn is joined by Carol Roth, author of ‘The War On Small Business.’ She says the anti-ownership goal of global elites is making us into ‘indentured servants,’ and that there’s one, huge way we can all peacefully fight back…


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GLENN: Well, Carol, it's a new year. A new you.

How are you?

CAROL: You know, I'm doing well. I'm just making sure that my private jet is doing okay. Because, you know, there was a climate crisis going on. It was very important for me to go take my private jet to go talk about the climate crisis. And then have steak dinners, while I tell everybody that meat is bad. So just trying to get that all together.

GLENN: It is so crazy. By the way, did you hear today, let me see. It was just approved -- where is it? Where is it?

Yeah. The European Union just approved cricket powder, as a component of flower-based foods.

CAROL: Amazing. Amazing. Sounds tasty. Looking very forward to that.

GLENN: Yeah. I unfortunately have a deep allergy to crickets.

I can't have anything with crickets in it. It's too bad.

CAROL: We're all going to develop cricket allergies, as part of our crisis.

GLENN: Yes, and I want to play this clip. This is from the World Economic Forum, last week. Listen.

VOICE: What is a polycrisis? And how and when could it happen?

VOICE: We're actually in the midst of one at the moment. We have energy crisis and food crisis. And they're all happening at the same time. It's the set of concurrent cascading risks that happen at the same time.

So that's where we are today. That's 2023.

What we're seeing though, that in the two-year time frame. And the ten-year time frame, we're at the risk of more of these polycrises unfolding. Two years out, there's still a concern on the experts that we surveyed, that the cost of living will be number one. But at the same time, a big risk of natural disasters. Ten years out, it's all --

GLENN: It's all natural disasters. Nothing else, but natural disasters. She doesn't seem to find any irony in the fact that we're in an energy crisis and a food crisis and a trust crisis. When all of those come directly from the policies of the World Economic Forum.

CAROL: Yeah. First of all, I have to say it sounds more regal, if you say it with sort of a British accent.

Polycrisis sounds much more terrifying. So I think we should do that. But it is. It's so ironic that they're sitting here, and they're talking about the inflation.

They're talking about the energy issues. They're talking about the mistrust and disinformation that came from the policies, that stemmed from global governments, and the World Economic Forum.

I mean, they are the ones that shut down, and said, we need to have this wonderful Great Reset.

They're the ones. The central banks around the world. That printed trillions of dollars. They're the ones that moved away from traditional energy. Because of the push from the World Economic Forum. So they've caused these crisis. All of them. Except for this global climate emergency, that clearly no one is paying attention to.

So we now have to add into our polycrisis or have Al Gore go on an unhinged rant, to make it extra special.

GLENN: Can you give direct correlation to our inflation from ESG?

CAROL: 100 percent. If you think about what inflation looks like. A large percentage of that was gas. Some of that was shipping costs, related to the cost of gas. And then, you know, fossil fuels have 6,000 derivative products, that all thing up in price, because of the cost. And the cost went up because we didn't have enough supply. And we didn't have enough supply because of ESG policies. ESG policies directed capital away from investments in fossil fuel, to the extent that Saudi Arabia, and OPEC, says that we're underinvested by, like, $12.1 trillion over the next coming decades.

So by doing that, by ensuring that companies, who make the investments in drilling and processing, for fossil fuels. Couldn't do that.

They are directly attributable, to the increase in prices. As well as, you know, the obvious direct correlation to the increased energy prices.

GLENN: So here is something that you're hearing. And you're just hearing the setup, right now.

That the Republicans are going to be so dangerous on this debt ceiling. And we are just going to default on all of our debts. And we will have no credibility.

We have no credibility now. But we're not going to default on our debts. But they are talking about the debt ceiling.

Why should the average person care about this?

CAROL: So the reality is, we shouldn't care about the debt ceiling. We should care about spending.

I mean, the debt ceiling is just saying, we cannot finance our overspending with debt anymore. But they don't do that at the same time that they pass the bill. They do it after the fact. So they've already spent the money. And you have to pay for it.

Short-term, we're not going to default on -- on our debt. It's just stupid. We have plenty of assets, that we could lease or we could sell if we got into a pickle, or things that could be reconfigured around. But in the medium to long-term, the spending is unsustainable.

And so if you overspend, and you have a deficit, there are only so many ways to find it. And we're probably not selling off all our assets at this point in time.

So that means, we're going to finance it with debt. And it's just going to become by and large, and bigger. To the point, that it becomes unsustainable, from a tax standpoint. From a money printing and erosion of your wealth and value standpoint.

And so that's really the area that -- this whole debt thing is kind of the sideshow at the circus. We need to be focusing on the main act. And that is the spending.

And I said this before, Glenn. If we just rolled back, like, five years.

If we went back to 2018 spending, which, you know, two years before the pandemic. Or even the year before the pandemic, we would be running a surplus, we would be paying down debt.

Or 2018, we would be about breaking even. So it's not like we would have to change that much, to get this under control. And they refused to do it.

GLENN: Okay. There was a call last week, for a windfall tax on food companies.

I've never heard anything more dangerous and stupid than that.

CAROL: So there's a legendary investor named Charlie Munger. He's Warren Buffett's partner in Brookshire Hathaway, one of the best.

And he has this famous saying that says, show me the incentive, and I will show you the outcome.

The reality is that taxes influence behavior. And if you don't want something, you tax it. That's what you do. Right?

GLENN: Right. A tax on SUVs.

CAROL: Right. A tax on Sim products. Alcohol. We don't want them.

We tax those things. By the way, the things we want. We get tax credits.

GLENN: Marriage, kids. All of it. Yeah.

CAROL: So here's what you're saying. We're going to tax food. And it's saying, we do not want you to produce food.

Who says that, other than utterly nefarious, and crazy people, who want people to starve.

It is utter insanity. And the fact that people are like, oh, yeah. That makes a lot of sense.

We should definitely put a tax on food!

It's -- I mean --

GLENN: First of all, that -- that does not hurt anybody at Davos. But it hurts the very poorest among us, in the world.

And I'm not even talking about America. I mean the poor of the poor. And they're already in a food shortage. These people are so anti-human, they do want people to starve.

They also, you know, said that they are raising, I think it's $3 trillion, privately, and with the help of governments. To buy farmland. To buy up 30 percent of the land eventually, 50 percent, on the entire planet.

CAROL: Yeah.

GLENN: And they're talking about 30 percent by the end of this decade. And they're going to do it with fundraising. I mean, the guy who was talking about it, was -- was John Kerry.

I mean, it's insanity.

They -- when will people understand, they mean you will own nothing.

CAROL: Perhaps when they read my next book, which you have been instrumental in helping shape.

Which ironically, is called You Will Owe Nothing.

And connect the dots between all of these things that they are saying, and the destruction of our property rights and freedom.

I mean, when they come out and say, oh, you know, we -- you owe nothing. That's a right-wing conspiracy.

It's not. It was on their website. In an article in 2016, which now they -- I think they have pulled. So we --

GLENN: Yeah, they have. They have.

CAROL: We can use the wayback machine to resource it. Then they made a video that they put their logo on, that it was their first prediction.

So they're predicting the end of private property. This is not a coincidence. And, by the way, it's not like a cute little Jetsons fantasy. It's not Rosie the Robot folding your laundry. Like, these are scary things. But they're going, oh, this is going to be great for you.

This is not great. And so going through all the different things. That we've been talking about, ESG. The purchase of land by private individuals.

It is scary how much has been purchased by a small group of people, and as you said, the government is now paying to take some of that farmland, out of commission.

There are reasons for this. There are sort of empire cycle reasons for this. And there is a jockeying of the elite to put themselves in positions to rule.

GLENN: What do you mean an empire building process? What do you mean?

CAROL: End of empire. So basically, we are where the Romans were at one point in time. Where the British were. Where the Dutch were. And here's this sort of disconnect between high debt loads and power. And when we're in a high debt situation like the US is, and frankly a number of other countries, the people in charge get desperate. And they start doing desperate things. They never cut back on services.

They never try to salvage it. They just kind of run straight into that cliff. This has happened many, many times in history.

And we're moving in that direction. The elites see this.

So all these things we're seeing is basically them trying to reshape the outcome and put themselves up on top, by having you owe nothing.

GLENN: Correct.

I'm going to go back to owning nothing.

And the -- what that does to a nation, that was built around ownership.

That is a total reversal of the basic foundation of America, and most of the western world now.

More with Carol Roth. I'm sure you can -- can you order the -- the book yet?

CAROL: No. But you can sign up for more information at

And we'll let you know.

GLENN: Yeah. It will be a good book. I have seen the outlines. And it's really -- she's good.

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GLENN: So what does this mean, Carol, the -- the idea that you will own nothing, in a country that's whole identity and whole theory is that you can become wealthy. You can change your station by even landownership. Just being able to own something and call it yours, is fundamental to the American experiment.

What does that do to us?

CAROL: I mean, if you owe nothing, then the powers that be, own you.

It completely changes everything. It crushes the American dream. And it makes basically -- basically makes people indentured servants to the government.

And, you know, to some extent, big tech as well. I mean, that's really -- if you think about all these things that are being put out there, they sort of want to take your life and rent it back to you. Whether it be through a terms of service, or through, you know, dependence on the government. But that is the goal. They want that intradependence. They want you to not have freedom. Not to have agency. Not to make your own choice.

They want to control everything you do.

And it's coming from a wealth standpoint. It's coming from a technology standpoint. It's coming from a cultural standpoint.

Social credit. So, you know, really, this is -- this is a war. And this is one that you're going to have to fight, on multiple fronts. And at the end of the day, we need people to own everything.

We need you to have that ownership, so that you can fight back, and not be at their whim.

And not be an indentured servant to big technology, to big business, and to the global elites.

GLENN: If we don't stop the regulatory state, the unelected officials from just being able to introduce new rules on things.

If we don't stop that, you -- you won't own anything.

Because they will make it so onerous, that there's no way you could afford to own it. They don't have to take it. If you're so broke, there's nothing else you can do, but sell it.

CAROL: Yeah. It used to be when they were looking for riches, they would go out and invade another land. And they would take those riches. And obviously that's somewhat politically unpopular. But for whatever reason, this legal plunder, the idea that they're stealing our wealth and doing it in a legal way, because they're passing the rules and the regulations that we have to deal with, somehow is more palatable to people. And it shouldn't be. This is your wealth.

GLENN: That's the sheriff of Nottingham story. I mean, all the king did was just say, hey, what's yours is now mine.

CAROL: Right.

GLENN: Go, sheriff, go out and take it. And he would take it.

That's Robin Hood. This is the part they always get wrong. They think Robin Hood worked for the government.

No. Robin Hood was against the government. Because they were doing exactly what they were proposing to do, to the entire world now.

CAROL: Yeah. And if you look at just a case study, like Venezuela, who, you know, mid-last century was the fourth wealthiest nation in the world, and they used this rhetoric. They said, things are unequal. And we wanted to make it more fair.

So us and the government, we'll just nationalize everything.

We'll take it over, and you'll be so much better off. And with that, they went from the fourth wealthiest country in the world, to, you know, a recent study, showed that the median net worth of a person in Venezuela was zero! Literally zero.

So that is, you know, a very clear case study on how quickly it can happen.

To say, it will never happen here in America. Ten years ago, 15 years ago, maybe I agree with you, Glenn. But look at what just happened over the past few years. Look at the level of compliance, with these COVID rules and regulations. They took away people's jobs and livelihood. Of course, they're going to continue down.

GLENN: I remember saying in 2008. We stay on this path, we will be Venezuela.

Venezuela had just really collapsed. And I realized at the time. And I said it at the time. It took 20 years, to take that strong state, that was the fourth wealthiest, and destroy it.

Well, we are now approaching a 20-year mark, where we have been doing it.

It's not out of the realm of possibility. In fact, every day we continue down this road, it becomes more likely. All right. Her new book coming out soon. You will own nothing. Will get you all the information.
Carol, talk to you again.

CAROL: Thanks, Glenn.


Glenn shares personal battles & tells parents: ‘You’re NOT ALONE’

It’s hard not to feel like a failure when your children are going through such hard times, Glenn says. But parents MUST remember that being a kid today is 100 percent different than what it was like when today’s adults were growing up. And things are REALLY tough today for kids. So, no, you’re not a failure. In this clip, Glenn shares some of his most recent parental battles, reminding other parents that you’re doing the best you can and that you are NOT ALONE.


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GLENN: I -- let me just address this real quick. I am going through something that I don't think is very different than every other parent in the country. We -- my family -- I've chosen to look at it as our family is currently being purified. There's some things that have -- that are going on. And they just have to be solved. And we'll all be stronger for it, when we get to the other side. It's getting to the other side, that is such an issue.

And it -- some of it has to do with mental health and, you know, on Tuesday, I was on the air, and we were talking about things that are going on in your household, that maybe, you know, or don't know. And I was at a complete loss of words. And Stu jokingly just to cover the awkward space said, I've never seen you at a loss for words. And that is because I was about to just spill everything, boughs I've had this ability given to me: When I am humble, when I am doing my job the right way, and when I am actually trying to serve you, I can feel you. I can feel when things connect with you.

I can feel -- I just can feel you. I don't know how to describe it. But I've had that ability for a long time.

And as I'm talking about this, I could feel an overwhelming sense of how many people are going through similar things that we're going through, except you're working 70 hours a week. You and your wife, or you and your husband, both have full-time jobs. And you're dealing with them in school. And the kids in school, and trying to keep that straight. You're trying to keep food on the table. And you don't have the time or the resources, that I have.

And I'm overwhelmed.

And I -- I don't know what to do. And I understand this world.

Probably better than others, as far as the mental health thing.

And I'm at a complete loss.

So, first of all, with be you're not alone, if you're going through things. You are not alone.

And I am going to double my effort to try to find answers.

You know, suicide is off the charts. Off the charts, with our children. It's doubled -- what is it 37 percent with male African-Americans?

Something like that. Some crazy stat. And no one is talking about it. And it is -- it has to do with our entire society. I don't know about you.

But, you know, when I was a kid, we used to walk to school. All of that bullcrap. You can look at the past and say, it wasn't that great. It had problems. Yeah. But at least there was truth.

At least -- at least we had people in the community, that felt like we did and we kind of helped each other out. We weren't trying to suck our kids into some sort of pedophilia ring, or -- or get them to change genders. Or whatever it is.

Society was basically stable, and we agreed, generally on right and wrong.

We don't anymore.

And so our kids go out, and they may -- you may be the only voices of sanity that they hear all day.

And I wouldn't want to be a kid. Would you want to be a kid today?

Going through.

Can you imagine. Can you imagine -- just think of yourself as a girl for a second. And, hey, there's nothing wrong with that, gentlemen.

Think of yourself as a teenage girl. You know, the stress of how they look. What they wear. All that bullcrap.

Can you imagine, you're on tape every day, or you're being recorded every day?

So you just want to go to school one day and just look like crap, or you just want to go to school and you have a bad day and you say something, do something, it's now there forever. And you can never, ever let it go.

Because it's there. Just imagine that pressure.

And then I think of the pressure of you. You know, there's this pressure of you've got to do your best.

Well, I've done my best. I've absolutely done my best.

I have done everything I possibly can. And it still feels at times, like failure. It's not.

It's really not. But it will feel that way. And you don't -- if you're like me. There are times, that you want to look at your kids and go, suck it up, buttercup. You know, when I was a kid -- but we cannot compare these times to the times that we lived in, because everything was different.

And, you know, I just think of -- I just think of church

Do you know -- if you don't live in a community where the majority of people go to church. And, you know what, there are bad Christians. There's bad Jews.

There's bad atheists. I get it, whatever. Not everybody that goes to church is a good person.

But at least the society is kind of trying to bend that way. Where now society, if you're -- if you're in a place where there is -- where there are not godly people. People searching for God at least, I don't know how you do it. And it's going to get worse. It's going to get harder. Because the options of God.

I mean, think of going to church now. I mean, I go to church. And we still dress up. And wear a tie and everything else.

And, oh. That's the hardest thing. Well, that and actually living by the principles. That's the hardest thing. That's not going to get easier. And it's certainly not going to become more popular. The choices that our kids will be offered, will be really easy and enticing.

And if we can't get them to see the truth, no one in their life, in this atmosphere, that they're just going to bump into the streets. Odds are, they're not going to help them make good choices.

So how do we do it?

How do we do it?

And how do we keep our life on track? I know you're working. I mean, I assume you're working. There are probably some people like, yeah. I'm living off the government. Pretty sweet.

Probably not this audience. Working hard. Trying to keep -- just all I want. My children to be happy. You know, we had a therapist, that was, you know -- she was like, she just started with us. One of -- I can't tell you this part. My daughter wants to be an actress. So this therapist was talking generally about things. And she's like, you know, sometimes parents they want their kids to be a certain thing or be a certain way. So they -- you know, without knowing, they're encouraging.

And I said, I'll stop you right there. I would -- I would give up everything, if my daughter would go, I don't want to be an actress. I would celebrate. Fireworks. I would give away my house, if I could get that to happen. I so do not want to send her into the -- into the mouth of the lion.

And yet, I help her every night, learn her lines. I -- I help her with her acting skills. I drive her. And so does her mom, 30 miles away, every single night. Six nights a week, so she can go practice and be in shows.

So I get it. We're good parents. You're a good parent. You're doing the best you can.

We're just living in different times.

I hope this makes sense to you. And if it didn't, oh, well.


Is the World Economic Forum using MOB RULE to coerce us all?

Those at the World Economic Forum say that misinformation is one of the largest threats left to tackle and that critics of the organization are ‘agents’ of spreading lies. In this clip, Glenn is joined by author Michael Shellenberger, who recently wrote about how the World Economic Forum is a 'cult' bidding for 'global domination.' He explains why the World Economic Forum is so dangerous to personal freedom, why it represents a kind of ‘thuggery,’ and how its leaders — like WEF Chairperson Klaus Schwab — is using ‘mob rule’ to push forward their plans…


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GLENN: Michael Shellenberger. You're a -- user growing into one of my favorite people on the planet, Michael.

MICHAEL: Oh, thank you, so much, man. Good to be with you.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. I read your -- your takedown or your observations of the World Economic Forum. They are coming out today, and saying misinformation is one of the things that they have to tackle. I think it was number five on their list of most dangerous threats, was misinformation.

And they're claiming people like you, people like me, are just nothing, but misinformation or disinformation agents. About the WEF.

MICHAEL: Well, yeah. You know there's been just dozens, I mean, hundreds of articles saying, there's these conspiracy theories about this thing called the World Economic Forum. The conspiracy theories claim that the World Economic Forum wants a great reset. That they want you to eat insects rather than meat. And that they don't want you to own anything or have any privacy. And that you'll be happier if you do that. Okay. Those are all supposedly conspiracy theories.

Well, my colleague, Isabella Kaminski, who actually used to work at the Financial Times, which is a great fan of the World Economic Forum. And she had been investigating them for almost a decade. And I both published a piece, where all of those things are not only true, the Great Reset, insects as the new meat, and -- and owning nothing and having no privacy.

Those are not only true things. They're actually from the World Economic Forum's Davos summit itself. And from the website. They say they want transparency, but they've actually deleted a number of those things.


MICHAEL: They say they want more -- they want to know our financial information. Okay. That's like part of what gets promoted at these conferences.

GLENN: Right.

MICHAEL: Like, we should know what's in your bank account.

And we should probably be able to control it too.

As we saw in Canada with the truckers. That comes in handy, if you're trying to move away from a democratic system, to an authoritarian system.

So they want that too. But when we say, how do you invest your money? They wouldn't tell us. They just said, Swiss law says, we don't have to tell you. Sure Swiss law tells you that. Are you familiar with Switzerland's banking laws.

GLENN: Well, yes. Maybe Klaus may not have, but I think his father was clear about the Swiss banking laws.

MICHAEL: You know, his father ran a Swiss company in Germany during World War II, during the Holocaust.

Historians who have listened to this, said that indeed he did use forced labor, you know, Jewish labor, during the Holocaust.

During World War II. That's not actually in question.

He is a very creepy person. And so the natural sense -- I mean, I think it's okay to say that. I'm using it in a technical sense.

MICHAEL: The creepy feeling you get from Klaus Schwab is accurate. The basic picture of World Economic Forum as a creepy event, is accurate.

GLENN: Yes. Well, his father believed in public/private partnerships. Which is fascism. That's the definition of fascism.

You own the company. But the country. The authoritarian leadership tells you exactly what you're going to make. When you're going to make it. How to do it.

And you get to keep your -- it's exactly what's happening in China. That's not communism. That's more fascistic. In nature.

The way they run their -- their -- their businesses over there.

He was a fan of it. Klaus is still a fan of it.

That -- that -- I mean, forget about the -- the Holocaust for a second. But that's the basis of what Germany was going for, on the economic front. Correct?

RILEY: Of course. Yes. I mean, that's what every schoolchild learns. I mean, it's almost a kind of -- it's a thug -- it's a kind of thuggery.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

MICHAEL: It's a kind of magazine rule, by the -- by these con artists.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

MICHAEL: I mean, look, your intuitive intuition against eating bugs is correct. There's all sorts of parasites in these bugs.

It's obviously not a human custom. You know, my -- my wife is Korean American people, and I spent as much time in Korea, and her parents ate bugs. And I ate some bugs. In Korea. It's a little bit of a novelty. Most people don't. Most Koreans like to eight beef.

And when my wife asked her father about the insect-eating.

He says, you know, we were poor and starving, you know, during the war.

GLENN: Right.

MICHAEL: So insect eating -- insect eating is something that noble Asians and Africans do is nonsense.

And so it really does come out. And they say it very clearly, in promoting insect eating, that they don't want you to eat meat. So then if you go and report that, what it is, they come out and say, it's a conspiracy theory. But when you go check on their own website. That's what they say. And it's basically all the things that you've been writing about.

I mean, I think ultimately, you and Russell Brand and the other major critics of the World Economic Forum are proven correct, in what we discovered. And not only that. I think it's ultimately going to destroy the organization. Most world leaders, I think in part because of this heavy backlash against World Economic Forum, did not go. Only the German chancellor went. And he has to go to every one of these events to suck up to world leaders and sheiks and stuff. Because they need world gas.

So -- but other world leaders don't want to go, because they know it's bad for their PR. They know it hurts their image, and you saw Elon Musk responded to me on Twitter.

You know, saying, yeah. It seems like -- you know, while everybody would support dialogue, it's a creepy event.

GLENN: But didn't he just say, it seemed boring.

I thought that was an odd statement, for him to make. He's smarter than that.

MICHAEL: I mean, sure. I mean, I think -- look, I think part of the thing we discovered as well, that this is how they rip you off. This is the grift part of it. Is that when you and I buy, you know, stocks or people have pensions.

And retirement funds, that are buying stocks. They're not getting the early stock or the early investment money. That's the stuff that gets traded at Davos. So in the front house, they talk about, we love the environment. And racial equality. That's the main story. And then behind the scenes, they're just doing grift-y type deals, and we're seeing it bust on people. A lot of people got into crypto. A lot of money got lost.

You know, it wasn't a real asset. So for me -- I think for Izzy and me, that's been my coauthor on this.

We -- so we were like, what is the right thing to say? Is it a grift? Yes. Is it a cult around this kind of creepy dude, Klaus Schwab?

Yes. But it is also a bid for global domination. In the sense, they want to take hold of the economy. And they are doing that. I mean, the energy economy, at this point in Europe, and heavily in the United States, is overwhelmingly controlled by governments.

Because they put so many subsidies in it. They're basically controlling it now. And they've made electricity reliable in the United States. They will have to create another set of subsidies, just to pay somebody to try to keep power plants operating, when the sun is not shining, when the wind is not blowing.

So it is making progress. Klaus Schwab is sick.

It may be that in the future, because you and Russell have so demonized the World Economic Forum so successfully, it may be like something else.

But definitely global elites are constantly trying to take advantage of ordinary retirement-holding citizens. With their stocks and bonds and whatever.

But there's also this kind of creepy low energy return to, you know, 18th century economies.


MICHAEL: Kind of an ideology behind it. We've talked about it before. It's low energy. And you should be basically -- the idea is basically, you should be poorer. That's the idea. Eat insects. Don't eat meat. Don't own anything. Don't have any privacy.

GLENN: Right. This --

MICHAEL: It's pretty terrible.

GLENN: It's gone back to serfdom. You don't even anything.

Because the king owns it. Or one of his lords. You're not going to invent anything. Because you're not going to get anything from it. You can't improve your life because you can't. You can't improve your station ever. Because you can't own anything.

I mean, it's -- it's right back to the feudal system.

The -- in the meeting, Klaus Schwab opened up yesterday, and he said, we have to master the future. And what he was talking about was there are so many crisis -- crises, that are going on right now, that they have to master them. And use them, to push us into this new world.

That's the only thing that -- I mean, if we had time on our side, I would think that we are going to beat them.

But I think this is going to be a photo finish at the wire on who wins on this if people don't wake up to -- their tentacles are everywhere.

And when you have a crisis, and they create -- they're creating all of these crisis, when you have a crisis of food, when you have a crisis of money, people will just reach out for whoever is going to say, I have the solution.

MICHAEL: Well, yeah. Absolutely. I think the one thing that's proven, that you've proven, that Russell Brand has proven and others have proven, is that the World Economic Forum, when you actually know what it's promoting, it's wildly unpopular. That's why the change in the media environment. It starts, of course, with radio. But the internet really takes it to another level. Means that the old regime struggles constantly. So why are they always talking about disinformation?

It's because people like us are out here, explaining actually -- that is what they want.


MICHAEL: They want the bugs. The not owning anything. And a move to low energy living. Great reset was always just like, we're going to stop using fossil fuels and nuclear and reliable energy. And we'll use unreliable and solar and wind. And only when that is possible, because of the weather. That was what The Great Reset was. And fundamentally, the organization is about what they call sustainability, what I think we would call basically making everybody much poorer.


MICHAEL: Returning to a kind of immiseration, that we had before the Industrial Revolution, before we had reliable energy sources, and energy dense fuels.

So, yeah. It's a pretty -- all I can say is that you're right. I totally agree. There's a fight going on, between those of us that think that individuals and families and nations should be able to determine their own identity. And a group of other people that think it should be worked out bay --

GLENN: The elites.

MICHAEL: The supposedly smart elites. Working out the think tank and UN meetings. And business conferences. And Elon, he's a complicated person. And I've gotten to know him a little bit. And what I would say, I think he's seen the dark side of that hyper wokism. And his purchase of Twitter, is maybe the most significant thing he's done.

GLENN: I think so too.

MICHAEL: Because he's basically said, ordinary people should be on an equal platform to communicate as elites.

And we should stop censoring ordinary folks, because the elites demand it.

GLENN: Michael Shellenberger. Thank you for everything that you do. Appreciate it. Always great to have you on. God bless.

MICHAEL: Great to be with you, Glenn. God bless.

GLENN: You bet. Michael Shellenberger, he's the author of San Fransicko.

If you haven't read his work, he's not a conservative. He's just common sense -- and was at one point, the -- the friend of the earth, from TIME Magazine. He was like on the cover of TIME Magazine.
As the -- you know, the best climate justice kind of guy.

Nope. Nope. Not so much. He doesn't agree with any of the stuff that is going on right now. He thinks it is a grift.

And good to have him check in on the world economical forum


THIS is how to END the far-left’s DREAM of a US gun registry

One of the far-left’s greatest goals for a while now has been to create a registry of American gun owners and purchasers. And now, they’re using backdoor methods — like financial institutions — to achieve that big dream. But they certainly won’t be able to obtain that registry in West Virginia. Riley Moore, the state’s current treasurer, joins Glenn to detail his new bill which would stop the far-left IN ITS TRACKS.


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GLENN: West Virginia has been a great state to stop a lot of this nonsense. Probably, I think maybe only behind Florida.

But it -- most of it comes from the state legislature. I'm sorry. The State Treasurer, and the legislature getting on board. And the treasurer, is Riley Moore.

Hello, Riley, how are you?

RILEY: Glenn, how are you thanks for having me back on.

GLENN: You bet. First, thanks for all your work on ESG. You know, the AP is reporting today, that all this great reset stuff is all -- it's all fiction. It doesn't affect the average person. And these people in Davos, they don't have any power to do anything.

RILEY: Oh, sure. Sure. No. Just the trillions of dollars under their control, give them no power whatsoever.

GLENN: No power. No power.

You are -- actually, I wanted to have you on. Because you have introduced legislation prohibiting the tracking of guns and ammo purchases, via debit and credit card transactions. And this is something that the administration is working on. And he's -- they're working on it, through the banking sector. Can you explain?

RILEY: Yes, Glenn. And, you know, this is a -- going to sound very similar to what we've heard on the fossil fuel side, as it relates to ESG. But this would be the S. The social part of ESG.

So I've introduced what's called the Second Amendment, financial privacy act. And let me give just a little bit of background here. Just so people understand how this came about. So in September, last year, 28 members of Congress, led by senator Elizabeth Warren, sent public letters to the large -- to the largest credit card companies and also to the financial institutions out there, that deal with the banks.

And what they asked for, is a new merchant category code. NCC. And this is how they code all different transactions. But what they wanted specifically, is an NCC code in place, to track purchases of guns and ammunition. And now, they were very up front about why they want this.

This is a back door national gun registry.

The liberals have wanted this forever.

GLENN: Sure.

RILEY: They talked about it. They can achieve it at the ballot box. So now they're using the financial services sector, to be able to achieve that goal. So what we've done here in West Virginia.

Is introduce this bill. And it's going to do four separate things here.

One, any financial institution that's under our jurisdiction, is going to be prohibited from sharing any information, as it relates to purchases of guns and ammunition.

Secondly, any financial institution, in the state of West Virginia, that operates here, is going to be prohibited from utilizing a firearms code, to engage in discriminatory conduct, right? That would say, all right. We will not work with this gun shop or merchant, or we're going to deny credit card transactions for people that want to buy guns and ammunition.

Thirdly, and this is important -- it's going to create a civil action. It is going to create a cause of action for people who have had their Second Amendment rights violated by these woke financial institutions, to be able to sue for damages.

And lastly, any financial institution, that has violated this bill. Violated this act, will be prohibited, from the bidding process, on any contracts with the state of West Virginia. Moving forward.

So this is -- and, you know, we've talked about -- what are we going to do on the S? They're now taking the fight to us.

We are responding, and this -- this is all about The Great Reset. Total control of our lives. They're going to control with the environmental side. How we power our lives, right?

They're now getting rid of the gas -- they're getting rid of gas stove tops. And now they're going to control our guns and ammunition. And here's one of the scariest things about this. You're going to have financial institutions. Credit card companies. Banks. Have the sole discretion, to decide when something is, let's say, suspicious activity. Okay.

I bought too many -- too much ammunition this month, or I bought too many firearms this month. They're going to then decide to flag that for the feds and law enforcement. I mean, this is unbelievable.

GLENN: Is -- how is the legislature in West Virginia reacting to this? You think this is going to pass?

RILEY: Oh, this is definitely going to pass. And this bill is going to run in the House next week. People are very excited about it. I will say, certainly, Florida had a great big red wave there. We also had one for ourselves here in West Virginia. In the House.

We now control 88 out of 100 seats in the House. And we have 31 of 34 senators in the Senate.

And this bill, is going to fly through.

GLENN: So that's really weird. Because Republicans didn't do well a lot of places. And yet, the places like Florida and West Virginia, that took on these issues, head-on. Seemed to have done really well. That's interesting.

Riley, I'm sad to say, if this is true. That you're looking to leave your Treasurer position. And go to Washington.

Is that true?

RILEY: I am. I am, Glenn. I've announced a run for Congress. I think we need people, that need to get in there, and fight to do -- there's only so much I can do as a state, on a bill like this.

And we're going to fight like hell, here in West Virginia, to protect our Second Amendment rights. But these people in Washington, DC, need to get off their cans and start to do something about this ESG movement, immediately.

And there's several things that they can do. And that's why I want to take the fight to Washington. I will be leaving the treasurer's office. But I'm going to continue this in Washington. If I'm so lucky to be elected in 2024.

GLENN: Are you -- have you prayed on this?

RILEY: I've prayed a lot on this. And spoken with my family.

GLENN: All right.

RILEY: And it was a hard decision. It was a very, very hard decision.

But I got to keep my faith in God.

GLENN: I know. I know.

RILEY: Doors open here. And I'm going to go in there, guns blazing.

GLENN: Good. I really appreciate everything you've done in West Virginia. For the State Treasurer. I would hate to see you go from -- from a job that you're really, really good at. For him, but we need more people in Washington, that have your sensibilities as well.

Riley, can I ask you: There was a new federal restriction or ban on the firearms with the collapsible stock. Do you know what I'm talking about?

RILEY: Yeah. Yes. Yes.

GLENN: And it's like a 20-year prison sentence, if you don't register them. And I think you even have to change the stock.

I mean, if it wasn't for that boating accident, I would have had one of those.

What -- what do you do?

Do you know? I mean, is that like la la now?

It's done.

RILEY: Well, this is an ATF regulation.

My understanding is that they've been working on now for a while, as it relates to collapsible stock.

You know, Washington is constantly doing this. Okay. We'll put this regulation, and this rule in place.

And then when we come in, we'll repeal the rule.

These are the type of things that the new Republican majority, in Congress, and the people who are going to be running in 2024, so we can retake the Senate, need to be talking about.

Back to your point in Florida and West Virginia. These are the things we talk about. And shockingly, guess what, we win elections. We win elections, because we go out and we do what we've been talking about. What we say.

But this is all about control. They don't care about the Constitution.

It had been reaffirmed time and time again.

We have a Second Amendment right, to have firearms, to bear arms in this country. And that goes back to the founding of the United States. They don't care about that. They're trying to remake the United States.

GLENN: I know.

Thank you so much again. By the way, we're going to have more on this particular issue on tomorrow's program. Just to figure out, exactly what we're required now to do.

Riley Moore.

West Virginia State Treasurer. Please, keep us up-to-date on this passing. Or, you know, running into any kind of trouble there in West Virginia. I don't expect any.

Riley, thank you so much.

RILEY: Glenn, thank you so very much.

GLENN: You bet.

RILEY: And I would love to see this pass in every state in this country.

GLENN: And is it posted in some place, so other states can look at it.

RILEY: Yes, it is. And it is on my website. You can go there.

It's HB 2004. House Bill 2004, here in West Virginia.

And I have shared this with many other states around the country. I want to see this happen everywhere. And have these liberals come challenge us in court.

GLENN: Yeah. Thank you so much, Riley. This is really important. These states that are leading. You need to take their legislation. And run it through your state. Every state that has the ability -- and we've got, what? Sixteen of those states, that have total control by Republicans.

They should all be the strongest states. But you have a lot of wieners in there, that are not actually -- they're just big government progressive Republicans. You need to figure out which ones those are. Vote them out. But you need to get them done in your state. The state is where we can -- we can truly make a difference.