GLENN: All right. As we begin our journey today to try to figure out the world. Let's -- let's take a look at what's happening at college campuses. There's a few stories, but I want to -- I want to hit this one. And I want you to hear how positive socialism has become on college campus. And yet, how there's really nothing behind that.
Here's the latest survey on college campuses on socialism.
VOICE: In your opinion, is socialism a good thing or a bad thing?
VOICE: I mean, I think people kind of throw that word around to try to sell you, but if helping people is socialism, then I'm for it.
VOICE: It could benefit our country in the future.
VOICE: I think it's a good idea.
VOICE: Socialism as a concept, as a philosophy is good. I think that it's got a bad rep.
VOICE: Trying to spread the wealth is definitely a good thing in America. It's definitely a thing that's needed.
VOICE: There's a lot of things with social welfare that I think would be good to have.
VOICE: Do you have a positive reaction to socialism or a negative one?
VOICE: I'd say a more positive one. I'm definitely more open to it.
VOICE: We should have a standard of living for all people.
VOICE: By default, that should just be available.
VOICE: If we did it democratically, then we could really incorporate socialism.
VOICE: Like, it definitely seems like a more feasible option, and it could help more people, like just as a broad term. It could help more people.
VOICE: How would you define socialism?
VOICE: I mean, honestly, that definition gets thrown around a lot. I'm not exactly sure.
PAT: Right. Right.
VOICE: How would you view what socialism is though?
VOICE: You mean.
GLENN: Oh, boy.
VOICE: Economically, what is socialism?
VOICE: Economically. Hmm.
PAT: Uh-huh. Hmm.
VOICE: So I'm going to have to think about that for a second.
VOICE: I guess just specifically getting rid of that wealth gap in the United States.
VOICE: How would I describe it in as little words as possible?
VOICE: How would you define socialism?
VOICE: I mean, it's definitely more of an open form of government. And it feels like --
GLENN: Oh, my gosh.
VOICE: -- a lot more accessible to a lot more people. And that's kind of how I view it. Being more accessible. And more -- kind of like equal ground, yeah.
PAT: Oh, sure. Equal, yeah.
VOICE: What does that mean necessarily, though?
VOICE: I'm -- to be quite honest, I don't know.
PAT: Nobody was more accessible than Benito Mussolini. Nobody.
GLENN: Well, Adolf Hitler. Adolf Hitler. Stalin. Stalin was pretty good.
PAT: They were all pretty accessible.
STU: It is true that socialism has a bad rap. And, you know, 100 million dead will do that to you on occasion. But, you know, it's really been unfairly treated.
GLENN: What's amazing is, they all said, it was a good idea. No, you're only identifying the word. You're identifying -- you don't know what the idea is. You just know the word, socialism. And you associate that with good things.
So all the good things -- well, it's more open.
No. How? How is that possible? Ask Charlie Gard's parents if that is (?) how is that possible? It's because they're not being taught anything. Nobody is questioning anything. How can you go to college? Well, I know. You have to have a safe zone.
College should be the least safe place on earth intellectually. The university should be the place where you are thrown up against the wall and challenged on everything you believe.
STU: Well, it's -- I mean, we're focusing on the idea that they're completely wrong in these opinions, which is true. However, how can you have an opinion at all if you don't what an it is?
STU: That's really a bigger problem.
GLENN: No, but wait a minute --
PAT: And the only thing they know about is to them, it's positive. Because somebody has talked positively about it in the past. So that's obviously -- they're teachers.
GLENN: Let me ask you this: How many of us are different? How many of us on the conservative side are really that different? Ask people.
What are the -- what are the five freedoms that are guaranteed in the First Amendment is that you can't name them. You can't name them. (?)
GLENN: Tell me -- tell me the Bill of Rights. Tell me what it means. Tell me how it works. You can't -- it's -- it's an idea. The idea of freedom, the idea of America has -- you know, has -- has worked for a while. But we're no longer teaching the actual principles behind it. And so we're doing the same thing.
The reason why Fox News can say fake news to CNN and CNN people can say fake news to Fox, is because we have conflated -- we've made news the mixing of opinion and fact. When I was on Fox, I used to say all the time -- and tell me anybody who has ever said this, have you ever heard anybody on these cable shows say this? I want you to understand clearly, I am an opinion guy. I'm not a news guy. I'm an opinion guy.
So when you're looking at these things, I will tell you, this is fact. Now, how I connect things together, those things all happen. But these are the conclusions that I'm drawing.
STU: I have seen that on both CNN and Fox. Fortunately, it was you saying it on both of those networks.
GLENN: On both. So what's happened is we've confused opinion with fact. So when they're saying socialism, how do you feel about socialism? It's good. Because they've heard somebody that they respect say that it's good and tied it into some sort -- this wouldn't be happening if we just had socialism.
PAT: They tied it into equality and fairness. And that's what resonated with these kids.
GLENN: Right. Right. And oppression.
GLENN: We wouldn't have oppression if you had socialism. Well --
PAT: Well, not if you do it democratically.
GLENN: And what exactly does that mean? You know, Hitler -- the Nazis were the national socialists. So it was socializing and having a national attitude it. Germany is the best. Communism is workers of the world. So it's socialism with an international bent. That's the -- that's the only difference between those two.
It's the same system, it's just one is national and one is global. How many people in college even know that basic fact?
How many in -- how many in college even know that it works in Sweden because, up until recently -- and now it's all falling apart, everybody was basically the same?
Everybody had the -- the basic same background. The basic same color. Lifestyle. Everything. They were united. You don't take this as -- the United States is the most diverse country in the world. And yet, for a long time, we worked together pretty well. We have our flare-ups of racism. But we generally -- everybody kind of melts back into us.
Well, we've destroyed all of that. You can't have socialism without an iron fist, if you have a whole bunch of people.
When I was at -- I was in LA and I was asking a group of guys from Silicon Valley, so tell me -- just play this game out. Let's say in 2020, (?) you get Bernie Sanders. And you get a -- you get a whole bunch of people in Congress and the Senate that also have the same idea. You get all Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warrens. And you control that for the next 20 years.
You realize there are people like me that will never go along with socialism. That we will fight it every step of the way.
At some point, what do you do with the 40 percent of America who says, I'm not going there?
PAT: Oh, we found out from the Weather Underground plan, must we?
GLENN: Yes, we did. (?)
PAT: And if he F they stell still won't comply, 25 million people might have to die.
GLENN: So now, let's reverse that. Let's say you get somebody who is a nationalist who is on the other side. The worst of the right. What happens to the 40 percent of the liberals that won't go there?
After 20 years, you got to do something. Do you reeducate them? Do you -- you campify them? What do you do?
STU: You're saying we're in the middle of a formula for harmony is what you're describing. (?) you're not exactly uplifting, I would say.
GLENN: Well, here's the uplifting message -- and this is one that I know people don't like to hear. But I want you just to let it wash over you for a while. And it's not one that sounds good. But it -- it actually is. The truth will set you free. But it's going to make you miserable first. Okay?
It's really -- the truth -- you've -- you know, we've all done this. We all do this in our life. We build ourselves a nice little story that lets us exist and live. And then unfortunately, if we go too far off the rails, the truth is in front of us. And we can either fight against that truth, which most of us do, fight against that truth, until the truth destroys us and you just reset your life, depending on where your bottom is, or you look at the truth and you reevaluate. And because it is the truth and you're not living it, you're like, oh, crap.
And it will make you miserable because you have to change and do hard things. And, but then after a while, it sets you free (?) and you're like, oh, my gosh. How did I not recognize this? The truth is, we as Americans -- and I mean both sides (?) conservatives. Liberals. Independents. Everybody. We have to stop trying to win.
We have to start trying to reconcile and live next to each other. We have to start understanding each other. Right now, everybody wants the argument that will allow them to win. There's no way to win in this situation because it implies a loser. And those losers are not going away.
Do you think the losers -- if you got everything you wanted on the conservative side. Do you think they're just going to go away? They're not going away. And if you bash them in the head and continue to just say, you're wrong. You're wrong. It's only going to get stronger.
STU: Great example of this: I'm reading the Joshua green book about Steve Bannon (?) and it goes through the kind of history of how they -- you know, Trump and Bannon started -- they met and how they worked together. Goes through the whole thing. And it traces this -- the Trump thing back. And this is, you know, somewhat well-known. That takes it back to the 2012 or '3 Correspondents' Dinner. (?) and he sat there and he got berated by not only Obama, but by I think it was Seth Myers who hosted it.
STU: And they destroyed him to the point he was so angry, he wasn't even hiding it anymore and walked right out of that thing afterwards. The media after that event just glorified themselves at how they had just destroyed (?) and now he runs the free world.
STU: And he was motivated by that event. And he was so pissed off, he wasn't being taken seriously, that he decided to -- that set into effect a series of events that now has that guy as president of the United States.
GLENN: And a guy who says, you punch me, I'll punch back twice as hard.
STU: They felt like they won that night. Did they? Did they win?
GLENN: They don't -- both sides. Both sides try to humiliate. Look -- look what the press did to the -- to the right. To the Tea Party.
They -- they tried to humiliate and name call. They never listened to the Tea Party. Never. And look at what those people have done.
Now, reverse. We -- let me just take it out. Me. I was effective at poking them right where they live. Do you think they have gotten better or worse?
Media Matters in Sharyl Attkisson's new book, Media Matters took me on and they designed all the stuff to destroy people because of me and used it first on me.
Okay. What do you say we start listening to it? Forget about politics. And I'm not talking about -- I'm not talking about you not paying attention to what's happening in Washington. I'm saying the people in Washington don't matter as much as the people that you interact with every day.
Stop trying to win with the people you interact with every day. Start trying to listen to each other. Start trying to realize that we have a different point of view
Now, how are we going to live together? Because that's what we have to do. We have to live with one another, or we will kill one another.
We're balkanizing our country. That's not a good thing.