GLENN: This movie is I think a war masterpiece. I have never seen a movie where the closest you can get to this is Hitchcock. Where the score, the Hans Zimmer score -- Hans Zimmer was a cowriter of this film because the language -- the talking, the downloading in it.
PAT: There's not a ton of dialogue in it.
GLENN: Very little. There is really no story except are they going to get off the beach? The dialogue is not that important. The music starts with a ticking at the very beginning, and it never stops. And Hans Zimmer is a cowriter of this movie. He's not just the guy who did the music. I believe he's a cowriter of this movie. It's brilliant the way it's done. Brilliant.
PAT: I was surprised how many people never heard of Dunkirk.
GLENN: Oh, my gosh.
PAT: That blows me away.
PAT: I mean, what has happened to our education system. My oldest said he never heard of it. I mean, that happened. How did you graduate? How did we let that slip through the cracks. You don't know Dunkirk?
GLENN: No. How many people won't know that the important -- some important dialogue. Again, I'm not wrecking anything. Some important dialogue in the movie is the speech of Winston Churchill. You know, we will storm the beaches. We will -- it becomes narration at one point.
GLENN: And you don't really -- I mean, I'll bet you most people won't put together, oh, that's Winston Churchill's speech. Even though it said, said once.
PAT: Just the scale of those few days is unbelievable.
PAT: When you think that the British had 68,000 casualties and the French 290,000. That would shut the United States of America down. We would be out of the war. Okay. We're done. I mean, we don't have the stomach for that.
PAT: At all.
GLENN: Especially when you think about per capita.
PAT: It's unbelievable. Per capita in 1940.
GLENN: Yeah, and there was really some amazing things of real heroism. And then, you know, I happen to go with a guy who is Scottish, and I said to him, so he's in the -- I don't know -- the royal greeny wigs or whatever they call them over there.
JEFFY: Greeny wigs.
GLENN: He's actually an amazing guy. But he said -- I said how did you make that -- how did that feel? Does that feel like I guess American history would feel to me. Is that real, extra poignant to you? And he said it's funny because I was wondering how Americans would view this. And . . . heroism is heroism. It doesn't matter where it's from, and it was remarkable. There are times when, again, a movie with really no storyline and no lead characters and when you at one point in the movie -- and I won't say anything about it. But at one point in the movie, nothing is said, and you will start crying. You will just be so overwhelmed with heroism. It's a remarkable movie.
STU: It's one of those times too where you really can't complain about spoiler alerts because it just admits that you don't know anything about history. What war? Now you've ruined it.
GLENN: Dunkirk. Who knew they were on the beach. Oh, come on.
STU: It's a minor problem.
GLENN: I'm amazed too with them on the beach that long, Pat, it really comes through on divine province or how stupid and insane --
PAT: Hitler was.
GLENN: Hitler was. I mean, he stopped.
PAT: He did.
GLENN: He had them on the beach.
PAT: He told them to stop.
GLENN: And he stops and turns around. He could have wiped out all of the French and all of the English, and he could have conquered England. We would have been totally alone. Totally alone in the war.
STU: One of the miracles, the fact that we survived that at all was he was so convinced that he was brilliant.
GLENN: Yes, his arrogance.
STU: Every single vibe of his, every single movement of his, quote, unquote, gut, he acted on for so long, wounded up being one of the only ways we escaped, really, much, much worse than what happened.
GLENN: When you see this, and you really put into perspective what you know about history that that was it. I mean, that was the fleet. I mean, the reason why they didn't come over and save them was because they didn't want to get rid of the boats that they had. They knew if they go -- they send their Navy over to Dunkirk, and he sinks them, they're done. I mean, this -- it was this event that caused Churchill to finally call and say "I want you to know if you don't get involved now, any boat that is left, you will see on your shores, and it will have a swastika on it, not the flag of Great Britain. And that's the only reason why we got involved. I mean, it was dire.
PAT: Well, even then the invasion of the Japanese of Pearl Harbor.
GLENN: Yeah, but we started -- we sunk the British Navy. Most people don't know this. When we won World War I, we were so arrogant on the League of Nations, which didn't happen, that Woodrow Wilson --
PAT: Not for us, anyway.
GLENN: Yeah, for Woodrow Wilson, he said to the British, you need to scale back your Navy. Now, here's a country that has the -- at that time, the sun never sets on. So if you don't have a Navy, how are you going to defend your colonies? So he says to Wilson and Churchill, who happens to be I think the head of the Navy, secretary of Navy -- I don't know what they call them over there -- but he's like the secretary of Navy, and he says you gotta to sink half your fleet. They do it because they owe us so much money. They sink half their fleet. Then we humiliate the Germans. Don't even give them a chair at the table of the negotiations for peace. You needed a chair? Should have thought of that before started a war. So we humiliate them, and then in the 1930s when Germany is breaking all their treaties, and they're building ships, they're building subs, they're building planes, the Lufthansa growing beyond compression. The fastest growing industrial might in the world is happening in Germany. And Churchill says "We don't have a Navy, guys. Remember?" The reason why they had to come to us and say "We need ships. You need to sell us ships." Is because we sunk their Navy. We told them we'll keep the peace. We're going to sink the Navy, and the League of Nations will do it. And we were so arrogant that people in congress said don't build ships. No, the way to keep peace is not to have any warships. Finally after Dunkirk, it was FDR who said, "Okay. We're going to lend them and lease them to you. But we can't sell anything to you." And that was the beginning of us getting involved and actually saving the world.