GLENN: I did an interview with John Ziegler from Mediaite and his podcast. I think Ziegler is one of the more honest people in the media. Almost to a fault. He just does not care. And have every -- every belief in me that at some point will do something that he doesn't like, and he'll say that we're the worst human beings of all time on that issue.
PAT: It's possible.
GLENN: But -- so I did an interview with him this weekend, and I thought it was a good interview. And he wrote something last night:
In my rather strange media career, I've had the chance to do interviews with some rather high profile newsmakers in some sticky situations. While my media weekend discussion with Glenn Beck was not the most publicized I have ever done, it may have been the most fascinating and important. If you care even a little bit about our dysfunctional media machinery and broken national dialogue, I urge you to listen to all 40 minutes of it. If you do, you'll be way ahead of many of those who commented on it.
This is what I want to concentrate on. You should listen to the podcast. John asked some really good questions. Some really good answers in it.
STU: He's great.
GLENN: But if -- what I'm fascinated by is how the media portrayed this. How the headlines changed. For instance, the one headline was misleading. Beck Takes on the Right -- or no, it was the most -- it was, like.
PAT: Beck Talks to Trump.
GLENN: Beck Talks About Trump.
GLENN: And then the next one was Beck Takes on Trump. And then the next headline was Beck Talks Trash About Trump.
PAT: Oh, jeez.
GLENN: It just spirals. And if you read the comments, they don't even read or listen to the first source. They have no idea what they're talking about. So I just wanted to show you the opposite of the headlines that you're reading that Beck takes on Trump. Listen to his questions and the beginnings of my answers.
JOHN: How would you grade Trump after six months in comparison to what you had anticipated or feared?
GLENN: Let me say this: That I think we have an extraordinary opportunity right now to get Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan out of leadership. They have been a disaster. They can't get anything passed because what they're trying to pass has nothing to do with conservative values or the conservative movement or actually even helping people.
PAT: Seems like didn't even mention Trump there.
GLENN: Huh. Is there any other examples, maybe?
JOHN: Who or what surprised you most about how specifically the conservative media has dealt with Trump from the beginning of this odyssey until today?
GLENN: I would say in an unflattering way, I would say me.
GLENN: So now skip to the next one. What is this one about? This one is about the other headline that ran. First, Beck takes on Trump. Look, we have an incredible opportunity right now that I didn't see coming, and that's getting real tax reform passed if we can get congress to move. Don't even mention him. And then the next one is let's get you to take on the right wing media. Who were you disappointed in? Answer me.
PAT: Because you didn't read the pain of the audience. And then he pushes you a little bit further on it.
JOHN: Who or what surprised you most about the conservative media with regard to their dealing with Trump.
GLENN: Wow you're just trying to pin me down, aren't you?
JOHN: Glenn, I gave you a wide open there. I didn't ask you who. I said who or what. I'm giving you all sorts of options here.
GLENN: Okay. So I'm just going to go with what because I think people can make their own conclusions that I just -- I'm tired of the fighting back and forth. But people can make their own conclusions.
PAT: You never bashed anybody there.
GLENN: Right. So here's what I wanted to pull out of this. And I was grateful to John for A, an interesting and intelligent conversation. They don't happen very often. Listen to John Ziegler's podcast. You can find it in the links up at my Facebook page or GlennBeck.com, but it was interesting. And intelligent. So thanks for that.
Second, interesting how the headlines that were grabbed, many of them didn't reflect the interview. And if they did, they were the least interesting parts of it. They were just the bloody meat parts of it.
And one more step. Look at the comments from people on Facebook. Look at the comments from people under the stories. We say we think that the media is horrible, and they report fake news, and we don't know the truth because them, and they'll never report the truth. Well, none of us are either. Because if you're commenting on something that you haven't read, if you're commenting on something that you haven't listened to -- let me give you this.
He writes in this -- this is what I posted last night. This is hysterical. I posted last night quote, anyone who's bothered to listen to the whole interview would know that this simply was not even remotely true. In fact, I don't even think Beck directly criticized Trump even one time, despite me giving him numerous opportunities to do so. It was clear to me that Beck was bending over backwards to give Trump every chance possible to succeed. But while also standing on conservative principles in an effort to keep him and the movement at least somewhat honest. In reality, one of the more extraordinary moments in the discussion came when I asked him who or what surprised him most about dot, dot, dot. Okay, so that's what I post. The comments were right. Then why just stick your face in the Cheetos?
STU: These people are obsessed with that bit.
GLENN: They really are. Glenn bashed Trump repeatedly. Okay. Mr. Beck seems to me like you have a choice of accepting our form of government out of love of your country and continue to support the Constitution blah, blah, blah. John Ziegler is another liberal hack.
PAT: Liberal? Oh, my gosh.
GLENN: Bull, all Beck and his sidekicks do is criticize Trump. It goes on and on and on and on. They didn't even take the time to realize that this was a quote out of something that had happened that day about an interview. So they didn't listen to the interview, and they didn't read the story. All they saw was Beck, Trump, Ziegler. And they went.
PAT: For some people, unless you are saying that Donald Trump is the fourth member of the godhood.
GLENN: No, but I don't think that's --
PAT: They're not happy.
GLENN: A, I don't think it's -- A, it's not just Donald Trump supporters. It's all of us. It's all of us with our own point of view. We see somebody that says anything that we think we know what they're talking about, because we've put this person in a box, we automatically jump to "Yeah, well, that guy." We -- there's no way to move forward, unless we can have actual conversations. There's no way to move forward. The average person spends ten seconds per news story. So when you're looking at your story on Facebook or however you get your news -- The Blaze or GlennBeck.com or whatever -- the average person only spends ten seconds per story. How can you possibly know what that story is about? You can't. And we're all spouting off like we know everything. When in reality, all of us know nothing.