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BLOGMarch 15, 2018

The left’s war on those with disabilities sounds a lot like the Soviets

Nick Vujicic joined the “Glenn Beck Radio Program” on Wednesday to shed light on those with disabilities and the new challenges they face. Just this week, a Washington Post editor suggested aborting babies with Down syndrome in an op-ed and called the decision to abort these babies “brave.”

Glenn and Nick highlight this bold wave of dangerous, pro-abortion rhetoric and paralleled it with the fate people with disabilities faced in Russia and Germany in the 1930s, 40s, and 50s.

Nick Vujicic is a best selling author, motivational speaker, evangelist, and founder of Life Without Limbs, a non-profit ministry dedicated to serving individuals born without arms and legs.

See Glenn’s interview above. 

This article provided courtesy of TheBlaze.

GLENN: One of my favorite people in the world is Nick Vujicic. If you have not heard of him, this is going to be a very interesting time for you. Nick is a guy who was born without any arms or legs, hands and feet. And he has a new book out called Be the Hands and Feet. He is one of the more inspiring people I've ever met. Hello, Nick, how are you?

NICK: Hi, Glenn. So good to see your face. Love you sitting at this table. Thanks for having me on your radio show. Appreciate it.

GLENN: You're welcome.

So, first of all, let's kind of catch up with you. For anybody who doesn't know you, tell me your story quickly.

NICK: Quickly: I was born in Melbourne, Australia, without limbs. Lady Gaga don't know why I was born this way. Many people had their own theories and philosophies of life, including a woman who said that, well, in my previous life, reincarnation, I was a bad boy, and now I'm getting punished. But now that I'm a good boy, I'll come back in my next life and be a butterfly. And I'm thinking, she don't know how many butterflies I killed in my wheelchair, I don't want to be a butterfly.

Being isolated at times. Very loving home though. Went to a mainstream school. I was the first disabled child to go to the mainstream school system of Australia, 1989. And was excelling in mathematics, because that was the only that I could compete with everyone. But I really had depression and fears about my future. Attempted suicide at age ten because of bullying predominantly at school.

GLENN: Can you tell me how you tried to do that?

NICK: Yeah. Went to the bathtub, and I told my dad, I just want to relax in the bathtub of 4 inches, 5 inches of water. And I turned over to let the breath out a bit. I couldn't go through with it. Not because of physical limitations. But because I didn't want to leave my parents with that pain, and I pictured my parents crying at my grave. So I did not go through with that by the grace of God.

GLENN: Tell me -- tell me the depth there of despair, of losing hope.

NICK: You know, it was as if I never had it. It's not about losing hope. It's actually losing all -- all strength to go on. Just because of the bleak and broken future that I could see ahead, I felt like I was a burden to my parents. I convinced myself I would never get married, never be happy, never be a father. Never find a job. Just be a burden to everyone around me. I thought even if I got married, I can't even hold my wife's hand. Even if I had kids, I can't even hold my kids when they're crying.

Today, I have my wife. Her name is Kanae. She's a rock star. She's a superstar. She's amazing. She's beautiful. Six years of marriage now.

GLENN: She is. I think you had just gotten married the last time I saw you.

NICK: That's right.

GLENN: And congratulations on your twins.

NICK: That's right. Thank you, Glenn. Yeah, so we have two boys, Kiyoshi and Dejan, five and two and a half years old, and we have now two twin girls, Olivia and Ellie. They're about ten weeks old now.

Oh, and I wanted to say this: I don't need to hold my wife's hand. I just need to hold her heart, and you don't need hands for that. And when my boys cry, I can't put my arms around them, but they put their arms around me.

GLENN: So you -- you were convinced that you would be a burden on everyone. And that's kind of the way the world is working right now, especially with anybody with any kind of disability. We were talking off the air that this is a providential week to have you come in.

NICK: It is.

GLENN: Because I have been truly sleepless in the last few nights about what's happening with the Washington Post coming out and saying, you know, if you have Down syndrome, it's very brave. Very brave to abort them because we're curing Down syndrome.

NICK: Goodness, gracious.

GLENN: By killing them. Of course, they're not saying killing, but that's what they mean.

They have -- you know, the responses are, people with Down syndrome have no quality of life. And they're a burden on families.

And I -- I think, Nick, quite honestly, if we can -- if we as a society can embrace killing the most angelic -- I mean, the most angelic --

NICK: I can't agree with you more.

GLENN: -- then who won't we kill?

NICK: You know, I've been interviewed all night, Glenn -- you know I've been on the road, for my book and all that stuff. And the question that -- that, you know, you know, because we talk about how when I was in Russia a few years ago, there was a petition signed. Because I was famous in Russia overnight, preaching the gospel on mainstream TV. And some editor from a publication in Russia said, no disabled person should get married, should reproduce, and should ever have a stage and should ever be on TV. Ninety thousand people signed that petition. And then a million people got angry and that guy got fired. I wonder if this person will ever --

GLENN: No. You know that.

NICK: Never.

Well, it's just an opinion. Well, this other guy also had the opinion. And so the idea here is, how many more of these articles will actually be publicized without us actually saying, hey, wait a second. Let's really, really analyze this. And it's just unfair. It's unfair.

GLENN: It's amazing to me --

NICK: How are we different from the Russians, Glenn?

GLENN: We're not.

NICK: I'm Yugoslav, and I love the Soviet area, and I love the Slavic region. And they have a lot of improvement coming.

Ukraine just changed their law, Glenn, after I spoke to the government. Just to let you know, they're allowing special needs children to go to school for the first time. There's improvement over there.

GLENN: Wow.

NICK: But you come home here and you get so discouraged and stuff like this.

GLENN: Wow. It's remarkable to me that you wouldn't -- if we had this -- if you would have been seen in utero, you would have been gone. If Stephen Hawking would have been able to be tested in utero, he'd be gone. Stephen Hawking passed away today.

NICK: Today. I'm sorry to hear that.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. One of the most remarkable men to ever live.

NICK: Wow.

GLENN: And, you know, when you look at the -- the Nazi era, the people who voted for Hitler -- think of this. When he started his T4 program, to wipe out -- would have killed you. Would have killed my daughter. Would have killed anybody with Down syndrome.

When they found out that they were gassing those children, the people who voted for Hitler rose up and said, no more. No more. You can't do that.

We're just letting it go. We're not rising up. That's terrifying.

NICK: You're right. You're right. And there's many fronts on many fights that you can choose. And for me, Glenn, you know I'm pro-life. You know I'm with you. I'll wing you. I'll be your wing man on this. No problem. We'll do whatever we can to do.

The bottom line is I understand the -- the opposition in trying -- or the challenge, let's say, in trying to convince people of changing their mind. But you know what also gets me just a little bit angry are the people who actually say we're Christian and we allow 111,000 7, 8-year-old children in America, still waiting, still waiting for an adopted home. A hundred thousand churches spends billions of dollars on buildings, and we're not the hands and feet. We're claiming Jesus is Lord.

Do you know how many teenagers, they think they're Christian because they go to church on Sunday, then they tease someone at school on Monday. Forty percent of the reason for teenage suicide in America is because of bullying at school.

We really got to do an analysis of ourselves, if we really are the salt and light -- there's 400,000 foster kids waiting. Anyway, in the --

GLENN: You go for it.

NICK: You know it.

GLENN: We were just talking about this last week. Last week, we were talking about how Christians -- I don't know what it means to be a Christian anymore. Because if this is what it means to be a Christian, it makes literally statistically no difference in the world.

I'm not interested in that. I'm not interested.

NICK: Well, here's a contrast, ready. In Islam. In the Koran, they actually say that it's against Allah that you adopt. Because you can never love somebody that's not your blood, like you love someone that is your blood.

GLENN: Holy cow.

NICK: So how different are we to Islam? Because so many people think, how can I love somebody as much as I love my own?

And it's not about that. It's just addressing the biggest questions and fears that people have and saying, hey, look, don't just sit and listen to the prosperity gospel from the pews. You know, surrender your life to Jesus. And then guess what happens? The next paragraph. What do you want God to do for you today. Let's believe and I'll stand for you. Are you kidding me? We're not here to receive. We're here to serve. The prosperity gospel will end, Glenn, in ten years from now, when thirty-five percent of all jobs in America are taken by robots. How dare any prosperity preaching preacher will talk about prosperity when a third of their men have no job.

It's time to realize, stop waiting on God to do something. And God is waiting on you to do something. I'm all for praying for revival in our country, Glenn. A million people trying to gather in Washington, DC, but what if a million people actually learned how to preach the gospel? And we preach the gospel to 20 people in a day. You can reach the whole country of America in 16 days. Is it really that hard?

GLENN: No.

NICK: It's not.

GLENN: It's not.

NICK: A hundred thousand, you know, adoption -- is it really that hard?

GLENN: It's not.

NICK: It's not.

GLENN: I was at a -- I was at a venture capitalist conference, and I had to speak. And it was all Silicon Valley.

NICK: Uh-huh.

GLENN: And a guy gets up and he's an atheist. One of the biggest venture capitalists in the world. And he gets up and he says, I have news for you, what's coming is a loss of meaning.

He said, because the unemployment rate -- he said -- and this is important I think for people to understand. We now look at unemployment and say, oh, can we get it close to zero?

They -- Silicon Valley, with the way they're working now, they're the opposite. They're saying, let's get it 100 percent on employment, so you can do what you want to do. Which is a noble thing. However, it also removes meaning for a lot of people who find meaning in their jobs. And he said, so we're going to have a lot of meaning. He said, but you know who is going to conquer that? People who have actual faith.

NICK: Wow.

GLENN: Because people who have actual faith find meaning in good works. Isn't that crazy?

NICK: Wow. Wow.

GLENN: And we're not doing it.

NICK: Wow.

GLENN: And we have to.

NICK: Yes.

GLENN: Because it will be the only thing -- we will be the ones that can lead the world into meaning and into the --

NICK: Hope.

GLENN: The hope of --

NICK: Hope.

GLENN: -- it's going to be okay.

NICK: Yep.

GLENN: So, Nick --

NICK: Glenn, I love you. We got to spend more time together, bro. I'm out here in Dallas quite a lot. We got a second home here.

GLENN: I know. You don't ever stop by.

NICK: I'm going to stop by.

GLENN: The name of the book is Be The Hands and Feet: Living Out God's Love For All of His Children. I want to talk a little bit more about the book and the -- your adventures. And we're going to also spend some time on television tonight.

NICK: Good.

GLENN: So make sure you join us. We'll be back in just a second.

GLENN: So, Nick, let's talk a little bit -- you know, you talk in your book about how we need to share -- how we need to share the gospel. However, I think people -- because of what we were just talking about, people are tired of people talking about the gospel because, you know, it doesn't make a difference. We're -- we're going to church, but we're living a hypocritical life. We're no different than everybody else.

NICK: Right. Right.

And so the bottom line is, when me and some angels go to 68 countries, meet 18 presidents, speak in front of ten governments and in front of billionaires to sex slaves and orphans, there are commonalities of why people don't believe in a loving God. And one of them, rightly said, is that, oh, I'm not going to become a Christian because I know Christians. There was a bumper sticker that said, dear Lord, save me from thy followers.

GLENN: Yeah.

NICK: And, you know, it's the truth. That's one of the things.

And that's when we point the finger at ourselves and make sure that how we live shows it. You know, if you're a teenager and you love Jesus, then you're not sexually active until marriage, period. No matter what you feel. And we're going to hand the truth with love and love with the truth. And the bottom line is, when you put God in the throne of your life and you realize that his plan and his way is best -- and money, drug, sex, alcohol, pornography, fame, and fortune, and where this country is going, where this world is going, we know that the only hope is in Jesus Christ. That's one of the top seven reasons, Glenn, why people don't go to church. Another one is because they think church is a business.

GLENN: Can you argue that though?

NICK: You know what, I have the least amount of argument for that point out of seven. Yeah? And that's why I'm, you know, pretty firm to the churches in making sure that the center of ministry isn't your gifts. The center of ministry is the gospel. And I feel like we as Americans are absolutely ignoring the fact that the prosperity gospel started in America. And it's absolutely devastated Latin America and Africa. And the pinnacle of growth and beauty in the church of those continents was when the church met the needs of the people.

But then --

GLENN: But isn't that -- that, again, isn't that the point? I have this argument with people all the time, you know, about faith and works. No, all I have to do is have faith in Jesus. And then I'm saved. Okay. I got it. I got it. I got it. However, you can't tell me that you've been saved if your works aren't his works.

NICK: That's right.

GLENN: If it hasn't changed you in fundamental, easy ways the way you live your life, then sorry, you don't really buy into it.

NICK: Yeah. I tell the teenagers, if you tease someone at school on Monday, I don't think you're a Christian because you have no idea what the love of God is. You know, and so the other things that I write about in my Be the Hands and Feet book is, how do you talk to somebody who is an atheist who says, well, science explains everything?

And I, you know, present the points where witchcraft, voodoo, black magic, science can't explain it, but man, it's real. And I'm not an atheist because I've seen an angel. I'm not an atheist because I've seen demons.

And so when you realize how you can actually come back with knowledge and points and say, how can a loving God let pain be in the world? There's a simple explanation for it. And people don't share about their faith because they don't know the answers to the top six and most common questions that people have.

GLENN: So we're going to cover these tonight on TV at 5 o'clock.

NICK: Yeah.

GLENN: But I want to ask you this: If there's a God in the world, Nick, how could he possibly let a child be born without arms and legs and go through what you went through as a child?

NICK: Well, first of all, I want to say it's worse being in a broken home, than having no arms and legs. Let's just get that straight. Number one, we can't compare each other's brokenness. Number two, though, we know that sickness, disease, and death, and uncomfortability to our existence didn't happen until Satan came into the world.

And that's when people said, well, then why did God allow the serpent in the Garden of Eden? And the answer is very simple. How unfair God would be to make Adam and Eve with free choice, yet never let them hear anybody else, but his voice.

If he never allowed the serpent in the Garden of Eden to actually say the contrary to what God said, then do they really have free choice or not? Therein, they chose. And we know that there is a lion, devouring, killing, destroying, and his name is Satan. And he knows his days are numbered, and he's going around destroying the world. And the bottom line, the Bible says, Glenn, very clear, black and white, we know that Jesus is coming back, when all the gospel has been preached to all the four corners of the earth. And when I was in front of Billy Graham in 2011, he said, Nick, we don't have to preach down other religions. Just preach the gospel. The gospel is powerful enough. And the Bible says, my people perish because they don't have knowledge. I also think it's Christians who are losing their faith because they're not growing in knowledge. They think, well, you know, now I'm a Christian. Now God is going to bless me, and that's it.

No, are you serious? It's about us being on the front line of God's army ambassadors, the king of kings, the lord of lords. And I'm a man without arms and legs. Being the hands and feet of Jesus, standing in front of the gates of hell and redirecting traffic. If God can use a man without arms and legs to be his hands and feet, God can use any willing heart.

GLENN: Kind of have this answer down.

(laughter)

NICK: I love you.

GLENN: I'm so glad you're here. Especially this week when we're talking about Down syndrome, and on the day that we mark the life of an exceptional man Stephen Hawking. And, you know, I see God's blessing and glory, not that he wants anybody to suffer, but I see his glory through Stephen Hawking. He was wasting his life until he realized, I may not have very much time. And it changed him fundamentally. How it changes us is -- is up to us. We'll talk some more this afternoon on TheBlaze TV. The name of the book, Be the Hands and Feet: Living Out God's Love For All Of His Children.

GLENN: I got to tell you, one of my favorite guests, is Nick Vujicic. I think he is -- does he make you feel like -- like, you know, here's a guy who has no arms and no legs. And I mean, I bet he exercises more than I do. He's in better shape than I am.

STU: Well, has he ever exercised? Because then, yes, he's exercised more than you.

GLENN: And he's just -- he's so inspiring.

If you think you can't do it, have you met Nick? I mean, it's amazing what people do when they put their minds to it and they -- they partner with -- with a higher power.

By the way, he's going to be speaking tonight in Dallas at the Fellowship Bible Church. It's at 9330 North Central Expressway. Just go to FellowshipDallas.org. He'll speak at 7 o'clock tonight. FellowshipDallas.org. He is remarkable as a speaker. One of the most powerful speakers that you'll hear.

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Will the Big, Beautiful Bill’s Medicaid changes really “KILL” people?

Democrats claim that the Big, Beautiful Bill will take Medicaid and Medicare away from many Americans and even “kill” people. But is any of this true? Glenn Beck and Stu Burguiere review just the facts and explain who’s actually affected by the changes.

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GLENN: Can I address some of the hyperbole around the big, beautiful bill, just a little bit.

If there's anything in the big, beautiful bill to worry about, it's the increase in spending.

Because the spending ourself into oblivion is an actual threat.

To the country. But that's not what anybody is talking about. What everybody seems to be talking about is the tax cuts. Which were already there. Or the tax cuts like no tax for tips. Which you would think the party of the little people. You know, the Democrats. Would all be for. But they're not.

Because they're not party of the little people anymore. And those had to be offset.

Okay. Offset. By what?

Well, by cutting spending. But cutting what spending?

Not cutting spending. Let me just say this. If I said, you know, I made $250,000 a year. And this year, we were going to spend $300,000.
Okay?

And you would say, immediately, Glenn. You can't do that.

And I would say, I've been doing that for 30 years. Okay. You might say, the bank is not going to give a loan.

But then if I came to you and said, yeah. I'm spending $300,000 a year. And my wife and I make 250 or 200,000 a year. But, you know, next year, I was going to spend $500,000.

Did you get a raise? No. I didn't get a raise. I still make 250,000 dollars a year between my wife and I.

But I'm going to spend 500 and not 300. And then somebody came in, like an accountant with some muscle.

And they said, Glenn, you cannot spend $500,000 a year!

Would it make sense if I went back to spending 300, not 200, which I had.

But 300, which I had been spending every year, would it make sense to you to -- for me to say, my children are now going to starve? My children are now going to starve.

Look at the austerity program that I am on.


My gosh, they just -- no. They didn't cut anything. They must cut thinking.

They cut the increase inning spending.

That's what they cut.

And, Stu, could you please explain Medicare.

I mean, all of the people. I know they warned us.

I didn't believe the death squads would actually go out.

And, you know, they want these people off Medicare so badly.

Or Medicaid.

They just sent out death squads. Trump is not waiting for them to die, because he's not waiting for them to get their prescriptions now he just wants them slaughtered in the street.

STU: Yeah, that's the efficiency of the Trump administration. He wants these people dead so badly, he's just killing them in the streets. Actually, no, none of that is happening.

And the Medicaid cuts as you point out, are largely cuts to future increases that have not occurred.

The biggest chunk of this is the work requirements. You've heard this, Glenn.

And, you know, I went through this. And I was like, this can't possibly be what they mean.

I said, wait a minute. When they say work requirement cuts, what does that mean?

So I dove into it a little bit. Basically, what they're saying, you, if you're an able-bodied adult, so that does not include old people, does not include people who are sick and can't work. And it also does not include people who have small children, even if they are able-bodied.

And when I say small, I mean 12 and under. So if you have a 12-year-old. You're completely exempt from this.

But able-bodied adults.

GLENN: Okay. On people in wheelchairs.

STU: No. Gosh, again, I know this is tough. Yeah, this is where it gets difficult.

GLENN: Wait. I'm having a hard time following this. What now?.
 
STU: So you're an able-bodied adult, that does not have small children.

GLENN: No small children.

STU: You would be required to get Medicaid, to work 20 hours a week.

Now, you might --

GLENN: Twenty hours a week.

STU: Or 80 hours a month.

GLENN: Or 80 hours a month.

That's almost half a full-time job.

STU: Now, you might say to yourself. And this is actually true.

Some people can't get jobs. Right?

I'm sure, there are people trying to get part-time jobs. And maybe can't get them.

Those people will just lose their Medicaid. Well, as you may understand.

Of course not.

Because what you have to do then is go through a process, that you're basically telling them, you're attempting to get a job. Or you're volunteering somewhere, to meet that requirement.

So basically, you have to fill out -- yeah. It's like unemployment.

You have to at least fill out some paperwork here.

GLENN: It's the exact opposite.

Let me see if I have this right.

It's the exact opposite of unemployment which we've had forever.

Which if you're looking for a job, but can't get it. You can still have unemployment.

But it's the exact opposite. Right?

Especially if you're nursing sextuplets.

STU: Again, you're not very close to the truth.

You're a little bit off on this one.

GLENN: No. Huh!

STU: By the way, Glenn, you might say to yourself, wait. How is that a Medicaid cut?

Because they're not cutting anyone's eligibility here. Unless they don't want to meet the requirement.

Of course, there's always been requirements to all of these programs.

So meeting the requirements have always been part of getting on to Medicaid.

This requirement, if you decide basically not to do it. And not participate. And not fill out the paperwork.

Then, yes. You will lose your Medicaid coverage.

What they're saying, hold on. All right.

GLENN: No. I just want to make sure I have it right.

STU: Yes.

GLENN: If you are blind, you're deaf.

STU: No. Again, no.

GLENN: You have no friends, and you can't get out of the house, and you've been on Medicaid, somehow or another, you signed up for that. But now, you don't even know, because you can't hear the news. You certainly can't fill out a form. Because you have no eyes.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: They just come in and rip your Medicaid away?

STU: No. None of what you said is accurate.

Though, it is calm considering some of the accusations -- comparisons made bit left right now.

But, yeah.

So if you are an able-bodied adult that decides, you know what, I don't feel like filling out the paperwork, or I don't feel like going to job interviews, or I don't feel like volunteering, then yes. You could lose -- but that's what they're saying the cuts are.

They think 317 billion dollars worth of people will not bother doing those things. For whatever reason. Maybe because they had more money than they said. Maybe because they're lazy.

Maybe because -- I'm sure there's some case where some -- I don't know.

I can't think of the case.

GLENN: Blind person.

STU: Because the ailments are covered here.

But, yes. Maybe it's some particular skin color. Then they would reject you.

I don't know.

And it's not just that. There are other cuts. For example, some of the cuts are, they're eliminate duplicate Medicaid enrollment.

If you happen to have Medicaid.

GLENN: I can't double-dip.

STU: In two different states. They're going to try to stop you from having it in two states.

And instead, make you have it one state. Uh-huh.

GLENN: Hold on just one second.

I have two legs. I have two arms. I have two eyes. I have two nostrils. I have two ears.

I can't have two Medicaid coverages. It's insane!

STU: I know.

It's really, really brutal.

GLENN: I have two kidneys. I can only have one kidney now, you know, repaired?

STU: Now --

GLENN: Is that what you're saying?

STU: That's not what I'm saying. But, yes. I'm sure that's what's being reported out there by Dana Bash.

Another one, I will give you here, Glenn. They talked about immigrants.

You know, immigrants getting on their Medicaid cut. Now, this is tough. What this bill does, I want you to hold on to your hat here, Glenn.

GLENN: Okay.

STU: If you have green card holders and other certain immigrants, some will lose their coverage. Or actually, sorry, eligibility will -- retain for those people.

Certain other immigrants may lose their coverage. The current law says, all who are lawfully present.

That will kick in after a -- how many year waiting period?

Let me guess, it's a five-year waiting period.

So it will be the next president who has to deal with this, when future Congress will just put it right back in. And it's not a savings at all.

And then you have Medicaid death checks. They're going to require --

GLENN: They're checking on whether your debt? Look at this! It's crazy.

STU: It's brutal. It really is.

GLENN: You're going to kick all of the immigrants off in five years.

STU: No.

GLENN: And then you're checking to see if old people are dead!

When will you leave these people alone?

STU: I know. So, anyway, we can go through this stuff all day. But as you point out, most of this stuff is not at all, what the left is saying it is.

It's not the desperate Medicaid cuts that are going to ruin everybody's lives. A lot of them are just really common sense stuff, making sure you don't have them in two states. I don't know what the positive argument is for that. But they'll make it.

GLENN: Well, they don't have one. That's why they don't make it about that.

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GLENN: Liz Wheeler. Liz wrote to me early today. Let me see if I can -- may I quote you here, Liz?

LIZ: Yes, you may. Thanks for having me, Glenn.

GLENN: Okay. Yeah. You bet. She said, give me one good reason why I shouldn't scream for Pam Bondi to be fired today? And this was at 5 o'clock in the morning. And I said, I'm sleepy. But I don't think I can.

I don't think I can give you a reason not to -- not to call for her firing today. But I want you to explain, why do you feel this way?

LIZ: It's not something that I say lightly. I didn't say it immediately after the White House, Epstein binder debacle. And I want to very prudently and judiciously make this case to you today and to make this case to President Trump too. Because Pam Bondi has become a liability to her administration, despite her loyalty in other areas. So let's start with the announcement from the Department of Justice last night.

A lot of us have a lot of questions about this announcement. It just doesn't ring true with a lot of us. We see a lot of evidence before our eyes that contradicts what we're being told without evidence to believe by the FBI and the Department of Justice. And it grates on us.

Because like you mentioned, we are friends with Kash Patel and Dan Bongino.

They're the good guys. We trust them.

And yet, we have to use our critical thinking faculties and look at the evidence before our eyes.

So it smells fishy. You'll notice it says nothing about whether Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence asset.

Which, as you mentioned, Alex Acosta, the attorney who cut the sweetheart deal originally with Epstein. Said he was, before Accosta's emails mysteriously disappeared. So we have questions about that.

There are also outstanding, important questions about Kash Patel and Dan Bongino's definitive pronouncement, that Epstein killed himself.

I'm sorry. I don't think the video that they released proves definitively that they were stating that case.

GLENN: Why?

LIZ: Because it does not show what's happening in the cell. It just shows the cell door. We don't actually see him kill himself.

GLENN: Right. But we know that nobody came in.

LIZ: Through that door.

GLENN: Where are they going to go true, the little bars? Little drag la? A little bat.

LIZ: I don't know what the internal cell looks like. I don't know what they have. I don't know if they have fire escape routes. I don't know if they have adjoining doors. I don't know if they have emergency exits. I don't know if that video was doctored or not.

I don't know enough about that, to simply take that one piece of evidence.

GLENN: Okay. So that's a good point.

Just show us the room. Show us what's inside the room.

LIZ: Yes. We need more evidence.

GLENN: That's reasonable.

LIZ: One piece of evidence.

It's not enough.

GLENN: Yeah.

LIZ: The other thing, I wonder with Kash Patel and Dan Bongino are relying too much on the FBI's prior investigation to the FBI of old is a reliable narrator. I don't know who conducted those investigations, or if it was done soundly. I doubt it was done soundly.

GLENN: So may I just interject here.

LIZ: Yes.

GLENN: I talked to Dan Bongino a few weeks ago about this off-air. And, Glenn, we are turning over every stone. We are going to get to the bottom of it.

We are -- so, I mean, he led me to believe that, and I believed him. And I still do.

That he was using new resources. Opening the investigation in -- in a new way. Following it closely.

And I do believe Dan Bongino is one of the good guys.

LIZ: I do too. And I've been told the same thing by high-ranking officials in the FBI. Who I trust. They're trustworthy people.

I do think, that it might not be possible at this point, to piece together everything, because we know there have been reports of evidence, destruction.

So my issue with that definitive statement was the definitive nature of it.

This 100 percent happened this way. Epstein killed himself. Instead of saving, we don't have enough evidence to piece this together, or the evidence we have points to this.

All that being said, though, I want to talk about what happened last night.

Because this brings to us attorney general Pam Bondi, who just months ago said she had the Epstein client list on her desk.

When I went back to look at that video, the clip of her on Fox News, again, this morning, to make sure that there was not context that I was lacking, that there was not bungled phraseology, maybe nerves being on the air.

I went back and listened to it. She said definitively, she had the Epstein client list on her desk.

Now, fast forward to yesterday, she says that it doesn't exist, that they don't have it.

That is a really big problem. If I'm president today --

GLENN: Okay. Let me play this, from Bondi. This is back in February. Here is the actual statement she made.

Listen.

VOICE: The DOJ may be releasing the list of Epstein's clients. Will that really happen?

VOICE: It's sitting on my desk right now, to review.

That's been a directive by President Trump. I'm reviewing that. I'm reviewing JFK files. MLK files. That's all in the process of being reviewed, because that was done at the directive of the president from all of these agencies.

VOICE: So have you seen anything, that you said, oh, my gosh?

VOICE: Not yet.

VOICE: Okay. Well, we'll check back with you.

GLENN: Okay. So now let me take you back to Kash Patel. Because something similar was said to me. Here he is. Cut 12.

So who has Jeffrey Epstein's?

VOICE: Black book? FBI.

GLENN: But who?

VOICE: Oh, that's under direct control of the director of the FBI. Just like the manifesto from the Nashville school shooting. The Catholic school. We still haven't seen that, right?

It's not the Nashville police or PD saying, we don't want this out. The FBI airmailed into that operation and said, this is not getting out. Because they do that because this is another government gangster operation.

All these local law enforcement communities get funding from the DOJ and FBI from local programs. And if you don't cooperate, you're not getting your million dollars for this.

That's a lot of money from these local districts. That's how they play the game. That's why you don't have a black book.

GLENN: Because the black book, it's not just sitting. That's Hoover power times ten.

VOICE: And to me, that's a thing I think President Trump should run on. On day one, roll out the black book.

And not just that, on day one, all the text messages and communications we were told were deleted. On day one, play the rest of the video of the pipe bomber.

You know, he needs -- one of the reforms I talk about in government gangsters.

Is you need a central node to be continuously declassifying. This is another thing they do. They overclassify.

They are not telling you -- as a former number two in the IC, they overclassify 50 percent of the stuff there to protect the Deep State.

Oh, no.

You can't see that. Nothing to see here.

Gina was a master at it. Of doing it. And we haven't seen half of the Russiagate report we wrote. Still under lock and key.

On how the ICA was originally constructed. We went -- we put 10,000 man-hours against John Brennan's team that did it.

And we found out why they came up with their bogus conclusions. We couldn't sell it with the world.

Because we couldn't talk about it. And the government cancers came in and buried it.

All of these things, there needs to be a continuing central power whether it's the White House or off-site that says, every request that comes in.
Just right out the door. As long as it's not awe major threat to national security.

VOICE: Liz, they're both very clear.

It existed. But Pam Bondi did not say, she had any names in it.

She kind of made me feel like she hadn't really looked at it.

Kash Patel gave me the impression, he had seen it. Or at least he knew about it.

So how do we go from here?

VOICE: Yes. Listen.

People care deeply about the Epstein files because there was a grisly crime that we know for a fact that was committed.

Epstein was convicted of that.

It wasn't speculative. He was convicted of that. People feel that there's evidence of a cover-up. Not -- we're not inventing a conspiracy. There's evidence of a cover-up of this crime.

Pam Bondi as attorney general has exacerbated this trust. And it gives me no pleasure to say this. Because I like to give the benefit of the doubt to people that are on our side.

But going back to that day in the White House, this February. I haven't told this part of the story before.

Attorney General Pam Bondi, when we met with her. We weren't at the White House to meet with her. We just met with her while she was there.

Pam Bondi bragged to us about making that cover sheet on the binder, the one that read the most transparent administration in history.

She said, she had made it. She had printed it. She was proud of it. She placed it on that binder.

Glenn, to call that a severe lack of judgment would be the understatement of the year. There is no way, in my mind, and I've tried every way to Sunday, to square that behavior with the announcement that we got last night with the Department of Justice.

Pam Bondi told us at the time, she said, I've requested the Epstein files, the files in the binder, were the ones given to me. Nothing was in them, she told us at the time. Then a whistle-blower told her, she told us. And said the FDNY was hiding other files. That's the story she had told us, that there's been a Deep State cover-up. So at the time, after we were given these binders, we waited. Right? You give your side the benefit of the doubt. Maybe Pam Bondi will come up with the goods, even though the rollout was botched to say the least.

But she -- this is another thing I have not discussed publicly before. She said, she had not seen the FDNY documents at the time that she was telling us about them.

I asked her directly that day in the White House. When she said, a whistle-blower told us about these truckloads of FDNY documents. I said, have you seen them? She said no, she sent the request and they're brining them to her.

So contextualizing all of this, suddenly this seems like unforgivable behavior.

How could she give the American people -- not just me. I don't care about how this impacts me. How can she give the American people those binders that contain nothing, while at the same time, bragging about the cover sheet that she made.

The most transparent administration in history. And tell us that the FDNY had the real goods, that the binder was just proof of a Deep State cover-up. That was the real story she told us. Only now to say, sorry, there's actually nothing.

So it leaves us with this situation. What are the options? The options are, well, was she herself set up by some Deep State FBI officials trying to make a fool of her? It's possible, maybe even probable.

GLENN: Possible.

LIZ: But here's the thing, if you're smart, if you're savvy, if you're sharp enough to be Attorney General of the United States, you verify such information.

You don't assume its veracity and publicize it for clicks. And that's what she did.

So then we get to the point, that we think, okay. Well, what does this say about her judgment?

Is she just click thirsty? Is she wanting to be a Fox News star? Did she get out over her skis, trying to make news, being a mega champion with those binders, that maybe she had not verified the contents of, and she definitely hadn't verified the contents of the FDNY truckload. You can't square this announcement with the binders. With the binders in February, unless you allow for the idea that Pam Bondi could be operating in a way that is unacceptable, when on Fox News. Said she had a client list on her desk to review, when she hadn't looked at the documents.

And was just saying that to be a television star. I say this. In somewhat sorrowfully. If I'm President Trump, I would not tolerate this behavior anymore. She's become a liability to the administration. I think the administration is probably just now coming to the realization of how much goodwill this whole debacle has cost them with their voters.

And Pam Bondi is not worth it. She's a liability. It's time to move on.

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The INCREDIBLE TRUE Story of Benjamin Franklin

Was Benjamin Franklin the greatest and most modern Founding Father? This July 4th week, “The Greatest American” author Mark Skousen joins Glenn Beck to tell the incredible and true story of Benjamin Franklin.

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GLENN: Dr. Mark Skousen, friend of the program, friend of mine. America's economist.

He is -- he has written a new book on the greatest American and the greatest American, he says is Ben Franklin. And I tend to agree with him. He's at least in the top five greatest Americans. Welcome to the program, Mark. How are you?

MARK: I'm doing well. We're out here in the Mediterranean Sea right now on a cruise, but isn't it great technology that even Ben Franklin would love?

GLENN: You know, I don't think people really understand the genius of Ben Franklin. I mean, there's this great article in the times of London.

I don't remember when. But he was going back to London. He was going to challenge the king.

And he was going back. And they said, don't let his boat come in to dock.

Because he's been working with electricity, and he has a ray gun, and he will vaporize, you know, all of London.

I mean, he was -- he was the Elon Musk of his day, but he was almost more magical, because people didn't understand it.

Back then. What did you find in writing this book about Ben Franklin, that you think most people just don't know?

MARK: Well, this is the thing. So when I wrote the greatest American, I thought to myself, everybody -- lots of books have been written on his biography.

So what I did was I came up with 80 chapters on how he is the most modern of all the Founders. And how he could talk about the modern issues of today, whether it's trade or taxes or inflation or war. Discrimination. Inequality.

I have a chapter on each one of these, in the greatest American.

And, you know, he was a Jack-of-all-trades.
And the master of all, on top of it!

So one of the things I thought would be really cool, if you put my book, on every coffee table in America, and people came in to visit, they would look at this book. And there might be an argument, as you say, as to who is the greatest American. Whether it's George Washington or Elon Musk, or what have you.

GLENN: Whatever.

MARK: When they see the picture of Ben Franklin, they sit there and nod their head. And say, wow. This is the guy I want to sit down with and talk to.

And have a beer with.

Because if you sat with some of the other Founders, they would get in an argument with you. Or they would refuse to answer the question. Or what have you.

But Franklin was willing to talk to a janitor, as well as the king of France. And that's pretty unique.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. He could.

He was an amazing guy. So tell me, in your research of him, you know, you always hear that, oh, Ben Franklin was a notorious womanizer, and everything else.

And he abandoned his wife. Deborah? Was that her name?

MARK: Yes. Deborah. That's correct.

GLENN: Did that -- what's true, or what's not true about that?

MARK: So he certainly was the most liberal-minded when it came to the sexual revolution.

That's why I say, he's the most modern of the Founders. Because he was not prudish like John and Abigail Adams, who thought he was a reprobate. And sinner. And not a churchgoer. And stuff like that.

GLENN: Right.

MARK: So, yes. He was -- the ladies loved him. And he loved the ladies.

There's no question about that, that he was a bit of a playboy. And, in fact, he even admits in his autobiography, of having an illegitimate child, William. But then he settled down. He married Deborah. And, yes, Deborah and him, they did separate because -- and it was really more her fault than his, because when he went to London as a London agent, she had extreme aversion to going out on this -- the seas. It was a dangerous time period.

So it's kind of like people don't like to fly on airplanes today. So they did grow apart. There's no question about that.

But they maintained their -- their love for each other.

And, as a matter of fact, when Franklin died, he's buried right next to Deborah. So I think that's an indication of their -- their love and so forth. But they were very different personalities. She was very focused on -- on more of the home issues. She was not a public intellectual.

She would not feel comfortable in the same conversations that Franklin would have with scientists.

And with public thinkers, and stuff like that. So they definitely differed in their personality.

GLENN: The -- the story about his son William is one of the saddest chapters.

I mean, you know, Thomas Paine kind of looked at him as a father figure. And he -- you know, Ben Franklin did have a son, William, as you said. And they -- they had a really bad falling out.

Can you quickly tell that story?

MARK: Yeah. So I have a chapter on that very issue. Because who were his enemies, and he did have a number of enemies, including John Adams, at one point. But in the case of William, he, Franklin, arranged for William to be the governor of New Jersey. And he maintained his loyalty. He was a loyalist. Billy was throughout the American Revolution!

And at the end of the American Revolution, or during the American Revolution, Franklin writes his son and he said, it's one thing to -- we can differ on various issues.

But when you actually raise money, raise armaments to attack me, this was beyond the pale.

This is not something that you should have done. And then at the end of his letter, he says, this is a disagreeable subject!

I drop it. So you can feel that emotion, that anger.

And, yes. He removed him from -- from his will.

So there -- there -- Franklin got along with almost everyone.

And I have a whole chapter on how to deal in the greatest American. How to deal with enemies and be how to make your enemies, your friends.

But this was one example where he just couldn't cross over and forgive him. For what the -- for what we had done.

GLENN: I don't think --

CHIP: Just like you are saying.

GLENN: I think I would have a hard time doing that too if my son was raising funds and military against me. It would be kind of hard to forgive.

Mark, thank you so much for your work. It's always good to talk to you.

The name of the book is by Mark Skousen. And it is called The Greatest American. It's all about Ben Franklin. If you don't know anything about Ben Franklin, you will fall in love with him. You will absolutely fall in love with him. Mark Skousen is the author. The name of the book again, The Greatest American.