‘Passion of the Christ’ actor Jim Caviezel shares why God works through his films

For someone who played the lead in the greatest story of all time, Jim Caviezel seems like a pretty humble guy.

The Catholic actor, who is slated to play Jesus again in a sequel to Mel Gibson’s “The Passion of the Christ,” joined Glenn in the studio today to talk about what it’s like to be a believer in Hollywood and how he wants to continue to give his career over to God.

“It was always God through me that would make these films great,” Caviezel said. He added that his goal was always that “I don’t want them to see me; I want them only to see You [God].”

Caviezel is making headlines with another biblical role; he portrays the disciple Luke in his latest film, “Paul, Apostle of Christ,” which is coming to theaters this weekend.

On today’s show, he talked about the contrast between the value his faith gives to his life and the emptiness of Hollywood celebrity on its own.

“People will give up everything for a red carpet,” he said.

This article provided courtesy of TheBlaze.

GLENN: Jim Caviezel is in studio with us. A good man and a friend. We grew up, kind of together. I mean, we went to the same elementary school. And you were, what? Two years behind me, Jim?

JIM: I was -- I was in third grade when you were in eighth grade. But I saw you for a second in third grade.

GLENN: And you remember it.

JIM: I remembered you in the wide-legged corduroy pants.

GLENN: Yep. That was me.

JIM: Was it Robert Conine? Rose Krantz. Peter Janakey.

GLENN: Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

JIM: And we rode the bus -- the school bus together. I remember you -- I remember you jumping up and down, up on Peter Janakey's shoulders. I remember Sister Agnes Joseph coming to our class and said she just saw you debate the entire class. Michael Rosencrantz told me that that boy is a genius. And she was saying -- and Janakey was pretty genius too.

GLENN: Yeah, well, none of those stories were true. Yeah, none of those stories were true.

So how are you?

JIM: I'm good.

GLENN: Yeah. Now, you're in a new film called Paul: Apostle of Christ. I haven't seen it yet. When does it come out?

JIM: March 23rd.

GLENN: Last time I saw you, you had -- you were still reeling from, you know, the -- not temptation of Christ. But the --

JIM: Passion of Christ.

GLENN: Passion of Christ. And you were still reeling from that. And I think you are one of the bravest men I think I've ever met. One of the most loyal men to God that I've ever met.

And I think -- wrongfully persecuted for what you've -- what you've done. The standards that you've taken. You've been very careful and very true.

When you were in school, when we were there together, you made a promise to God. Can you talk about that?

JIM: I was given a gift. And I -- I think it's very difficult for God to give certain people gifts. Because once they get the opportunity, it starts out being, here, God, I'll give you all that. And it becomes, you know, nine for you, one for me, and then it eventually becomes nine for me, one for you.

So I just said that I would make the kind of films that would, you know, affect people's lives. Like, you know, It's a Wonderful Life. When I met Jimmy Stewart, I was a waiter for him. And I went and got him a drink. And I was working at a party. And they told me that I couldn't speak to any of the celebrities. And I saw that guy and I said, well, I could get fired for talking to him. So at the time, I had applied to the US Naval Academy. I applied three different times and didn't get in. And I had a shot at West Point. And I told him, you know, I know that you flew the liberators over Germany. And he was just shocked that I knew. Here I am 19 years old, 20 years old, and I knew so much about him.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

JIM: And I think that -- Clooney told me one time, George said that when they were at -- he was with Rosemary, his aunt, and they were at Stewart's house. And on the TV was his academy award, and Stewart said, you know, I wish I had done more.

And here's a guy that made arguably one of the greatest films ever made. I watch it every year. It's a Wonderful Life. I want to have that kind of affect on people. But it was always God through me that would make these films great.

GLENN: Is it true that you said, I want to play you?

JIM: No, I said, I don't want them to see me. I want them to only see you. And that became the difference. And to do that was on the cross, I felt the love that he had for me. But when I asked him to come closer than that, he said, you may not like what you're going to get. And I said, as long as they see you, that's all that matters. And what I felt was a broken heart because our Lord is not loved by most of our children. And, you know, I tell people, I know God loves you. And if you don't know that, then, you know, kind of live the life that makes people feel that. But those that say that -- that have accepted that, you know, just get up in the morning and tell Jesus that you love him. He needs to hear that too.

GLENN: You are -- you would have gotten along with Hollywood a long time ago. With the Jimmy Stewarts of the world. I think they were more like you.

JIM: Right.

GLENN: Now not so much. Now not so much. And yet you are consistently amazing in every role I have ever seen you in. You are just tremendous.

JIM: Glenn, I've this said before. Hollywood, at best -- you know, if that really is the world, at best, it can only like you. Because the love -- it does not come from man. It comes from God. So at best, Hollywood can like you. And I can prove it to you, when you go to the Academy Awards. Former winners are on the sideline. It's over the current winner. And you look at some of the films. And the substance that's coming out. And they're making all over that. People will give up everything for a red carpet. But the question you have to ask yourself is, do you want to be liked by many or loved by one?

GLENN: I have a friend, John Irwin, from the Irwin Brothers. And they just made a film. What was the name of it? Yeah. I Can Only Imagine.

It came out this weekend. It's supposed to make $2 million. It's a faith film. It's really good. It has Dennis Quaid in it. Supposed to make $2 million. It made $17 million. It's only in 1600 theaters. It's number three this weekend.

JIM: Yeah, that means the per screen average was more than the two films prior -- that are ahead of them. That's over $10,000 a screen.

GLENN: Yeah.

JIM: That's extraordinary.

GLENN: Yeah. And you're not reading about it anywhere.

JIM: No, you won't.

GLENN: Yeah, but since you were in Passion, things have changed. You don't need Hollywood as much as you did.

JIM: The system -- you know, the -- the truth is out there. And it's not going to go away. And, you know, the -- the --

GLENN: The Irwin brothers?

JIM: Yeah. He came up -- I don't know which one.

GLENN: John probably.

JIM: He did the Steve McQueen documentary. Did you see that? American Icon.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

JIM: He handed it to me when I walked out. And I went home and watched it. And here, we can arguably say that Steve McQueen was one of the greats. Physical actor. A guy who was absolutely the king of cool. But what was cool about him, he was hot about something. He was an orphan kid essentially. And I watched this documentary, and it just moved me to tears. Even at the end, he was searching for something greater. And he said there was a recording of him that his wife had gave out. And he said he wished he had touched more people's lives from Jesus. Billy Graham was there at the end of his life.

And he -- he was looking for his Bible, as he was dying. And Billy Graham gave him his Bible, who was a great that just passed away.

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: And without Billy Graham, we would not have had the reaction from America. We needed his support, and he gave it to us on the Passion of the Christ.

GLENN: What do you think about the division between our faith sometimes? You know, between, you know, the Baptists and the Catholics and the Mormons and the Protestants and everything else. What do you -- how do we solve that and come together on bigger issues?

JIM: Well, it's certainly not going to be beating you over the head. I mean, if God wanted to, he certainly could beat us over the head.

GLENN: Yeah. Isn't he though?

JIM: What?

GLENN: Beating us over the head. I think he is starting to beat us over the head.

JIM: Well, it eventually can come to that. But right now -- I mean, there is a wrath and a justice that is coming if we don't essentially -- look, I really feel that the ideal way would be love that we would just naturally turn to him. And I got that at a young age.

But the -- we have an opportunity right now, to decide where we want to go. As far as, you know, our feeling, I do believe there is one truth. And we'll know that one day in heaven. If there were many truths, there would not be a truth. And there would be much divisions in heaven.

What there is probably the right way. But I look at Jesus and he did not beat people over the head with either turn or burn. Now, that is out there.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

JIM: But it's -- what I find is that you have the truth. Years ago, that would all -- it would be given to us, just truth. And essentially, that would become fire and brimstone. And now it's all grace. You know, all love and forgiveness and everything. But then that becomes sentimental hogwash. Our Lord is both truth and grace.

GLENN: Are you happy?

JIM: Yes. When I came in here, I was a little frustrated.


But generally, yes. Because I know that I'm -- you know, I -- I have the future forever with Jesus, you know, in heaven. And I tell people that. You know, I do believe it. And I do believe it's worth dying for. And I know I'm going to die someday. And I -- I tell people that because, you know, I tell people, yes, our Lord loves you. But I don't always feel that. It is hard. But, you know, come hell or high water, you do the right thing, no matter what.

You just try to keep doing it.

STU: Yeah. I want to talk to you a little bit about that. Because doing the right thing is really hard. And you're a guy who has actually walked that walk. You've really walked that walk.

JIM: You know Marcus Luttrell. That was the last event we were at. Marcus reached out to me because I put in a movie, The Count of Monte Cristo, "God Will Give Me Justice." And he wrote that on the cave wall.

GLENN: Yeah.

JIM: And he became close. And I was -- the last time I was with him, I was with him and Chris Kyle. And I never saw him again. Obviously, that night, we went out -- a great night. And he wanted to just talk about that. But how many soldiers that come up to me in the airports and, you know, Special Forces, guys just ask me about Jesus. They say, do you really believe in that? Because I heard you suffer. I heard you were struck by lightning. And had open heart surgery. That you went through horrible pains. Do you really believe in that stuff?

And why are they asking me that? And then eventually, they talk about, you know, I've had to take somebody's life, by my own hand.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. And what that's like. And is there a place in heaven for me? You know, almost like daring God. It reminds me of Gary Sinise in Forrest Gump when he's up at the top of the tower. He says, all right. God. You and me. And I just love to -- I identify with them.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

JIM: That there are people out there that will suffer whatever it takes because they feel a brotherhood. And I feel that brotherhood with our Lord. And I want to let them know that they're loved.

GLENN: Back with Jim Caviezel here in just a second. He's got a new movie out, called Paul: Apostle of Christ. It is in theaters Friday, the 23rd. That's this Friday. You can find out more about it at Twitter handle @Paulmovie.

Jim Caviezel, when we return.

GLENN: Jim Caviezel. You might know him from many -- many movies that he has been in. Most famously, obviously, he played Jesus in Passion of the Christ. But also Person of Interest. The People's Choice Award. And -- and now in a new movie, called Paul: Apostle of Christ. And you play Luke.

JIM: I do.

GLENN: Tell me about it.

JIM: Well, the film is right at the end of Paul's life, like the last two weeks. And he's in the Mamertine Prison in Rome. And this is during the -- one of the biggest terror reigns of Christians, which was during Nero. And I basically get into the prison. And I try to bring his message of hope to the Christian communities that are barely alive in that area. And, of course, they're crucifying and burning them. Using them as light fixtures all over Rome. And I'm trying to give this message of hope. And he really doesn't have the message that they're looking for. They don't know what to do.

And so really what the film -- when I read it, I said, this is now -- this is just -- we're all playing characters in Scripture right now. You know, often people, when they look at the Bible, they say, well, it's a piece of history.

It's not the same as if you were to go back -- you know, we were just talking about Berlin, Germany.

And that's a history, you try to learn from history.

But this is something quite extraordinary, when you read Scripture, because it -- it goes -- it permeates your brain, into your heart. And bypasses it, and goes into that. And it's really -- and we're all playing a different character, you know. I got to play Jesus in the Passion. But some of us get to play Judas. And some play the Pharisees, and some are Herod. And that's playing out now.

GLENN: The Pharisees, the real problem there was the hypocrisy. And there are a lot of us, are Pharisees right now.

JIM: Yes. And there are Judases out there too.

GLENN: You've -- you've -- you've taken quite a hit your whole career. What gets you through -- what do you -- I mean, your low points -- you know, you've had -- you are a great actor. And because of what you believe, they -- you're not -- you're not asked to be in all of the great films.

JIM: Uh-huh.

GLENN: How do you get through that?

JIM: I get through it because I was in the greatest film there ever was.

You know, look, the -- I -- I almost never became an actor. I almost never did The Passion of the Christ. I almost never married my wife Kerri. I almost never adopted my three children. All three of them had -- two had tumors. One had the cancer, sarcoma.

And I thought, well, I'm not the kind of guy that can adopt. You know, I'm just not -- I'm too selfish. That would have been the worst mistake of my life, if I had not done those things. The path of Christ is hard.

It is the road less traveled. It is --

GLENN: Yeah.

JIM: It is. But it is one that is beyond -- anything I've ever experienced. And I know it's the way for me. I know -- yeah, sure, I've pouted and played the victim. But I realize that, yeah, it's not really going to get it done.

Victim is not a strong position.

GLENN: Jim Caviezel. The name of the movie is Paul: Apostle of Christ. It is in theaters this Friday. Don't miss it.

GLENN: Welcome to the program. We're glad you're here. Jim Caviezel is here. And Pat Gray has just joined us from the Pat Gray Radio Roundup or whatever it is --

PAT: That's exactly what it is. Pat Gray Radio Roundup.

GLENN: Whatever it's called, it happens after this program. Pat, Jim Caviezel. Jim, Pat.

PAT: Jim, we've met actually before.

GLENN: Yeah. I know. I know. I just wanted to make sure of that. I was being a gracious host here.

PAT: Yeah. That's nice. That's nice. Good to see you again.

JIM: Good to see you.

GLENN: So, Jim, have you been down to Waco? You know Chip and Joanna Gaines?

JIM: No, I don't.

GLENN: Do you know of them?

JIM: No, I don't.

GLENN: Oh, you're kidding me. They're great. Do you watch TV at all or do you --

JIM: I watch a little bit here and there. Obviously, just doing a lot of the scripts --

GLENN: Yeah. I know. I know.

But I was down at Waco.

PAT: This weekend?

GLENN: That place --

PAT: It's amazing.

GLENN: -- has totally transformed. These people are -- they're so good. And -- and people are flocking from all over the country.

PAT: And they've completely repositioned Waco, Texas. Because Waco was, what? It was Branch Davidian. It was wacko Waco. And now they're transformed it into this desirable place to go.

GLENN: Yeah. And it's really -- it's amazing. Because here they are. They're people pretty much like you that just kind of live their principles. And they're not ashamed of their faith. And they do this little show on HGTV. And it's turned into this monster. And I don't think people in the -- I don't think people in New York or Los Angeles even understand it. They think, well, it's a husband and a wife. No, it's their principles and their values that really set them apart. And they just -- there was probably $100,000 down there.

PAT: I bet. It's always jam-packed.

GLENN: It's crazy. Yeah. And they're not even there. It's crazy what they've done.

PAT: Yeah, yeah, but everybody there is hoping for a glimpse. You know, maybe this is the day they'll be running out.


PAT: I don't know. Straighten the shelves.


GLENN: Yeah. Straighten things up.

So Jim is here because he's in a new movie, Paul: Apostle of Christ. And, Jim, I love the story of Paul. But the thing that sticks in my mind, in Paul's life -- well, there's many things. But -- but when he's on the wrong side, you know, the -- the death of James, he's -- he's mentioned just -- give me your coat. Kill him.

JIM: Oh, Stephen.

GLENN: Or, Stephen. Yeah, thank you.

He's standing there, and he's listening to Stephen. And he's helping riling up the crowd. And he doesn't do any of the beating himself. Beating to death. He just says, give me your cloak. I'll hold it for you.

JIM: Yeah, essentially. Probably taken their coats and handed them stones, and have at him.

GLENN: Yeah. And just -- just -- I mean, it's real evil manipulation.

JIM: Yeah.

GLENN: Where he was the guy kind of behind the crowd.

JIM: Yeah. I think that when Stephen called out, you know, I see the Son of Man, repeating the words of Jesus, I see the son of man sitting at the right hand of the father, coming in the clouds of heaven, that reflection in his eyes, he probably saw our Lord right there and probably was the beginning of the end of Saul.

GLENN: How difficult would it be for you if you knew that Saul was coming your way and -- and you were told, you know, Jim, I need you to go give him a blessing real quick?

How difficult would that have been for you? I think that would have been terrifying.

JIM: Well, of course. But I look at just some of the videos and pictures that I saw from what ISIS did to Christians last year, during Good Friday, where they literally executed them by crucifixion.

And I -- I think the modern day Christians really have to understand that, you know, we're all going to die some day. And, you know, being in heaven, I want to -- I'd rather be known as someone who did something for Jesus than spending eternity without doing much for him.

GLENN: You spend any time in the Middle East recently?

JIM: Yes. I had to shoot a movie out there. The Stoning of Soraya. And that really exposed Sharia law. And it -- it is just extraordinary what happens to women there.

GLENN: Yeah.

JIM: And I played a guy named Fredom Seronjom (phonetic), who was a guy who was just out there to write a story about the ayatollah takeover of the Shah. It was a peaceful movement and what not. And out of this comes this woman's story of being stoned to death. And the stonings still take place. So it was -- I don't feel like we have a lot of help from many of the groups here, you know, many of the women's groups that weren't there to help --

GLENN: I will tell you that it's been encouraging to us. We've raised probably $30 million now.

JIM: Yeah.

GLENN: To get some of these Christians out. We've taken 7,000 out of the Middle East. We're rescuing slaves --

JIM: That's great. Yeah.

GLENN: And it's remarkable that there is a -- while it's not talked about, there is this -- this, I don't know, underground, would you call it, Pat? Kind of this -- something that's not on the surface. And nobody is talking about. But there is real concern for that. And real -- the people really helping.

JIM: Good. A lot of people are helping. But they're doing it in -- in the -- in quiet ways, working in -- like you say, the underground.

GLENN: Yeah. The Christians are unlike everything I've ever met.

JIM: Chaldeans, Syrians, extraordinary.

GLENN: They're not like anything I've ever met.

PAT: They're committed. They have to be. And they are.

GLENN: You know what, I read a quote this weekend. I had written down a long time ago. And I had forgotten all about it. They tend church. Not attend church. You know, they're tending every day. They are there. They know what it is. It's not just a place they go to every Sunday.

JIM: Yeah.

PAT: And they take it seriously because it doesn't come easy for them, like it does us. You know, when you have to fight for something and put your life on the line for something, I think that changes you inside a little bit. It makes you more -- it makes you more committed. And they definitely are.

GLENN: Yeah. And we get so fat and lazy over here on everything. That we don't know -- it has no value. It has no value.

JIM: There's a great line in the film where Paul says, to live is Christ, to die is gain. You know, I'm sure many of those Chaldeans, Syrian Christians, and Coptics, believe in the same way.

GLENN: Yeah.

PAT: It true on another topic that there's a passion of the Christ sequel coming?

JIM: Yes.

PAT: And you're signed on for that?

JIM: Yes.

GLENN: As Jesus?

JIM: Yes.


PAT: Well, he'd have to be.

GLENN: I don't know. It's the next day --

PAT: Now I've turned into John. So surprise!

GLENN: I mean, you don't really look that different. You work out and all that crap all the time?

JIM: Yeah.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. It's overrated.

JIM: Fortunately -- well, I have to because so much of the work that you do involves stunt. So if you don't keep that up, you're going --

GLENN: Especially on that. I mean, on that one -- that one was pretty serious. Struck by lightning.

JIM: Yeah. Last shot of the movie. Very last shot.

GLENN: What went through your -- I mean, besides Jews. What went through on that?

JIM: I was -- I was scared. You know, just -- but it wasn't my time. You know, it was -- I had physical problems, you know, with electrical heart and everything like that after that. And I was on a lot of medication. So in 2009, I had my first heart surgery. And then 2014 --

PAT: Wow.

JIM: -- was open heart. They in the clinic saved my life.

PAT: And it was because of that?

JIM: Yes. It was a combination of the lightning bolt and then -- and then the -- the hypothermia and then the -- the -- the pneumonia.

GLENN: Have you thought about suing Mel? Just taking him for everything he's worth?

PAT: He's worth a few bucks now. You might want to think about that.

GLENN: He's a really nice guy. You know, I don't know him at all. In meeting him, he's really quite brilliant.

JIM: Oh, yeah. He's a freak show.

GLENN: Going about 1,000 miles an hour.

JIM: He would be the Michael Jordan in my business of what he can do. You know, he has the -- it's extraordinary with him because, you know -- you've seen him in Hamlet. He can do Hamlet. He can do his range. His humor.

But just -- you know, even looking at Lethal Weapon, when Steve McEveety produced the Passion, produced the lethal weapon with Mel. You know, the opening of the movie, he takes a gun. He's going to put it in his mouth. And he uses a bullet. And he's going to commit suicide. And just how he layers and takes the -- if you have an onion, just peels it away. And later on, he's up on the top of the building. This guy is going to commit suicide. He's smoking his cigarette up on the building. He said, come on, man, it's not good to commit suicide. It's really bad for your health. You know, and you're laughing your head off. Because you know this guy just takes his -- but how he sets it up. And he gets you focused over here. He's smoking a cigarette. Here, you want a drag. And then he throws up another ball up in the air. And while you're looking over here, sleight of hand, he puts the cuffs on the guy's wrist. And then he's like, oh, you jerk, I'm going to jump. He goes, do you really want to do it? Do it? You know, I want to do it. So you go, no. The movie is over. Jumps off. And, of course, they don't show it. But then they jump on that big old bag. This guy is nuts.

Mel goes, oh, that's fun. Let's do it again. But that's just -- I mean, that's flatout, straight-up Gibson.

GLENN: When do you go into production for this?

JIM: I heard -- when I was speaking to him last time, he says, I'd like to be going. And he gave me a certain date, by that particular time.

GLENN: You're not going to give it to us. I'm not looking for a scoop.

JIM: Yeah. But, no, he just said, I would like to be going at this particular time. This is the one, two, three -- he's on the fourth draft of the shift. So I started talking to him about this five years ago. Nothing was mentioned. Then last year, both Randall Wallace -- they wrote Braveheart together. And just to show you how hard it is, that blueprint is everything. And now he's on the fourth draft of this thing. So he finally broke it. That's why -- I had never said anything about it. But he finally figured everything out. It's kind of like Thomas Edison gets to the end. You go through the alphabet. So by way of analogy, he starts at A and gets to Z. And then he goes, oh, my gosh. I figured it out. But now he has to go back to A and start all over again. But he finally figured it out.

GLENN: Yeah. Jim, good to see you. Thank you so much. The movie opens up this Friday. It is Paul: Apostle of Christ, starring Jim Caviezel. You don't want to miss it. It's opening in theaters everywhere. It's

Will Biden let YOUR tax money BAIL OUT striking California writers & actors?

Will Biden let YOUR tax money BAIL OUT striking California writers & actors?

California is already struggling to pay its unemployment insurance and has been taking out federal loans — aka YOUR tax dollars — to pay unemployed residents. Now, California's legislature has passed a bill that would give striking writers, actors, and other union members unemployment insurance. Glenn warns that this ridiculous system would practically allow people to strike forever on YOUR dime. Is the Biden administration okay with this? Because if Gov. Gavin Newsom signs this bill, the state will probably ask for a lot more money from the federal government. Will your tax dollar pay for the unions? And even worse ... will your tax dollar bail out California's far-left welfare state?


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GLENN: Now, let me tell you two other things that are going on. In California, you also have California, now struggling. They can't pay their unemployment insurance.

Because they've been in the hole, forever.

With this. They've been taking out low-interest loans, from us. The United States government.

Your tax dollars have gone to pay for the unemployment insurance of the state of California. Because they can't balance a budget.

They can't get it done.

So they're paying us, low interest on the loans.

Do you think that's ever going to be paid back?


Here's what they're doing now. California's far left government, is now working with the Biden administration, to bail out striking Hollywood actors. On your dime.

This is happening. California's ultra liberal leaders are on the verge of giving unemployment payments now, to striking Hollywood actors and writers.

Both houses of the legislature, passed a bill to that effect, this week, it only needs Gavin Newsom's signature. And do you think he's not going to sign that? So here's what you have: You have unions who are taking all of this money, from all of their union members.

And part of the deal is: If you have a job, and the union says, we have to strike. Then you're going to get a portion of your pay.

The union will help you out.

But you can't get unemployment insurance. Because you are employed. All you have to do is go back to work. If you're paying people to strike from the union. And also get unemployment insurance. You can strike forever. See, the idea is: Which one is going to fold first? Is it going to be the labor union, or is it going to be the business? Which one -- and it hurts both sides. And so beet are incentivized to get to the table. Would you be for bailing out the giant Hollywood moguls. And the studios. I wouldn't be for that. No, you can't make it work. You can't make it work.

It's your choice. So why are we bailing out the union workers?

Why are we bailing out California, who now cannot making its own payments on insurance for everybody else. Unemployment insurance.

Can't do it.

They're in the hole.

Now they want to add unions to that.

And what happens, when it happens in California?

You think it's not going to happen in Michigan?

You will be paying for the unions. But that's what happens, when you have over $2 billion going into Joe Biden's campaign, from the labor unions.

He's the most labor-friendly president of all time.

Oh, by the way, so you get Gavin Newsom's signature. That's happening. Then what has to happen?

Well, then, it's just because it's the administration. So does the president need to act?

No. It's in the secretary's purview. So the Secretary of Labor, has to make this decision on how to spend our tax dollars. So the Secretary of Labor has to personally approve the request.

Now, who is this? Well, she's the acting secretary for the administration. Because the Congress won't approve her. So they're just going ahead with it anyway. Go ahead. Take the job. And you're just acting. You're not, actually, the secretary.

Why won't Congress approve her?

Because she was the one who came from California, and was in charge of the state's unemployment program. She oversaw $32 billion in fraudulent payments, occurring the pandemic.

Time for a promotion.

That's my red line. My red line has always been, I'm not bailing out California. I'm not bailing it out.

I'm not bailing out any of these perform

I've always wanted to live in California. You know why I didn't?

Because it was insane. I knew it wouldn't work. I didn't want to spend all of my money. Paying for taxes, for things I knew would only make society worse. And knew it would collapse at some point.

So I never got the beach of California.

And yet, now I have to pay for their mistakes?

How do you feel about that, Alabama? How do you feel about that Michigan? You probably like it, at least if you're a politician. Because, you know, your state will need it. Another reason not to live in Chicago. It wouldn't work!

DISTURBING move? YouTube DEMONETIZES Russell Brand after allegations

DISTURBING move? YouTube DEMONETIZES Russell Brand after allegations

YouTube has demonetized comedian Russell Brand's account after allegations dropped that he sexually assaulted and raped multiple women. The BBC has also announced an internal review of Brand's time at the network and is "urgently looking into" issues raised in a Channel 4 documentary on Brand. Glenn points out the apparent hypocrisy of the outlet, which had no problem paying Brand, despite his alleged behavior — which he has denied — being an "open secret," according to one accuser. Plus, Glenn and Stu discuss how disturbing the companies' quick reactions have been, given that Brand hasn't even been charged with or convicted of anything yet. If YouTube can demonetize someone for accusations of "off-platform behavior" from over a decade ago, Glenn says, then "we live in Salem Witch Trial times."


Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: So Russell Brand, is in trouble.

Now, here's something -- I want to read this, from the BBC.

From the BBC. Russell Brand resurfaced clips, give a sobering reminder of noughties culture.

The noughties are the noughts, you know. As the 00s of the early -- of the early century.

The early part of the -- the zeros. The noughties. We're being very noughty right now.

From BBC. The noughties aren't so long ago, that it's possible to dismiss them as a different age. There are parts of the decade that British culture would rather forget.

Russell Brand was at the center of a messy celebrity scene of the 2000s that now feels like the cool Britannia Party gone sour.

The recent allegations against the comedian, and resurfaced clips of things he said and did on the air and on stage, have provided a sobering reminder of the seedier side of the pop and media culture in that decade.

Okay. All right.

First of all, Russell Brand is kind of like their Howard Stern. Okay. Okay.

You didn't know exactly what you were getting in those days with Russell Brand. Okay?

Just think Howard Stern. Now, it's provided a sobering reminder of the seedier side of pop media culture in that decade.

Could I just ask the BBC to turn on the radio and listen to the lyrics of songs, they're now playing. Because I guarantee, there's something playing on the BBC about somebody's butt doing something.

Among the claims. Now, listen to this. Resurfaced clips is what this is all about.

Among the claims in channel four's recent dispatched investigation. Into the star. There was a clip from his BBC radio two show in 2004, that seemed to have gone largely unnoticed at the time.

In it Brand interviewed Jimmy Savile. Now, Jimmy Savile was a big, big radio host.

You know, the --

STU: Top of the pops, right?

GLENN: Top of the pops. Everybody loved Jimmy salve I will.

They found out, he's a child predator.

And was molesting kids, in the hospital, while he was visiting. Review, but nobody knows this.

At the time.

Among claims Channel 4's recent dispatches, shows him on BBC, in 2007.

In it, Brand interviewed Jimmy Savile and apparently offered up his very attractive assistant to go meet him naked.

Sound like Howard Stern?

STU: Right.

GLENN: Okay. This is in 2007, he said this to the BBC host, of.

Of top of the pops. Another BBC host said, you go ahead and take my assistant here. She'll go get naked. Funny. He said, naughty word. Naughty. Get it?

Okay. When did they expose, so to speak, Jimmy Savile, being a child predator? When was that, Stu?

STU: 2012.

GLENN: 2012. So something that went unnoticed, in 2007.

STU: Because no one knew about the accusation.

GLENN: No one knew about this. Okay.

While the clip was from before salve I will had been exposed as a serial sexual predator, it scarcely believed now that it was broadcast Britain's biggest radio station.

You know, wait a minute. Hang on just a second. Not that Russell Brand said that. That's not really the problem, BBC. The problem is you hired that guy and held him up as a hero for decades on the BBC.

There are several clips of Brand pushing the line between outrageous and offensive stuff that were used in the Channel 4 documentary on a Saturday.


They're doing an exposé, on what they aired twenty years ago, and making Russell Brand into the bad guy.

You aired it. You aired it. It's like Westwood 1, coming in and saying, let me tell you something.

I want to show you some videotape, of what Howard Stern was doing.

Yeah. Because you were paying him to do it.

How is that a problem for him, and not you?

I don't know. It's crazy.

STU: Ask they actually are sort of doing that to Stern right now. There are definitely people out there looking for --

GLENN: Looking. You spent five minutes, and you could find it. Of course.

STU: Just over the September 11th, you know, anniversary. Happened to stumble upon this Howard Stern Show, from September 11th.


STU: It is a different era. The -- the -- the difference in -- as that's going on. They're watching buildings in realtime. It's a fascinating thing to watch from a historical perspective. But the anger on the show, and the way that they were talking. The words they were saying.

The things that came out of their mouths.
It was --

GLENN: Were they singing songs about doing things with people's butts?

STU: They were not.

They were doing that right before the planes actually hit the building.

But it was interesting to hear the occasion -- Robin Quivers, who was ready to nuke the entire Middle East.

It was like -- it was pretty interesting to watch. You go back and watch those shows. Look, it was a different time.

You're going to judge these by today's standards. That's always dumb.

It's always dumb to go back to a previous era, and judge it by today's standards. It's always dumb to do that.

And it does seem to be what everyone wants to do.

GLENN: Well, I just can't take the employer, doing a documentary on how outrageous he was. And how he should be stoned to death, at the time they were paying him to do those things. I mean, that takes quite the balls.

STU: Well, and the BBC in particular, is in the Russell Brand situation, is specifically accused. Like, they are --

GLENN: They were --

STU: They were saying, they were helping it along. That's the accusation.

GLENN: Like listening to a documentary on BBC.

STU: Right. Like they were sending cars to pick up the girls that were 16 years old for Russell Brand.

GLENN: Which, by the way, was not illegal at the time.

It sounds horrible, but it wasn't illegal at the time.

STU: And no one was saying it was illegal. Not necessarily the best --

GLENN: Now, why is this all happening to him? Why? Why? Why?

STU: It's a good question.

I think there's a very obvious answer to it.

GLENN: Go ahead.

STU: Well, when he was famous and married to Katy Perry and doing all this, there was no news of these accusations. He was known as a bad guy. Right? Like a very promiscuous guy. To his own telling. He was addicted to drugs. He was addicted to alcohol. He was addicted to sex.

GLENN: Has a changed all of that.

STU: He's changed all of that. And has become a commentator who has been skeptical of some of the things you're not allowed to be skeptical of, like COVID. Climate change. ESG standards.

GLENN: Yeah. And the World Economic Forum is his biggest thing.

STU: Now he's been --

GLENN: Now he's being targeted for that.

STU: Look, of course, you would agree, if he committed horrible crimes against people, he should be punished for them, even if he has reformed his character.

He still is held responsible for crimes.

GLENN: Yes. Yes.

STU: But this does not seem to be what's -- it may not be what's going on.

GLENN: We have a hard time in this culture. Where we just make accusations, and we destroy people.

STU: Agreed.

GLENN: Now, listen, Russell Brand has now been demonetized by YouTube.

Now, what does that mean?

Russell Brand makes his money on his YouTube videos. Okay?

So they have just demonetized him.

So they won't sell or give him any money for what he's doing.

The BBC said it removed some programs featuring him from its streaming services.

So they were still paying for the guy.

Now, it looks like YouTube is doing the same, because the quote from YouTube is absolutely amazing.

Where is it? Where is it? Brand took his online social media platforms. Saying it was a coordinated attack.

Yes, it was. They said that now. I can't find the exact quote.

STU: While you're looking for that. Can we talk about quickly what the line is here?

Because there is a process that goes on.

When you're going to be convicted of a crime. And that begins with an accusation. Then comes that investigation.

Then comes a charge, filed against you.

Then comes a conviction, that comes a sentence. Right?

Why can't these companies just draw a line? Like make a line. What's the line?

A charge. Right? If someone gets criminally charged with something, we're going to pull them off of our service.

GLENN: Is that fair?

STU: I don't know. I think --

GLENN: We used to believe it was a conviction.

STU: That's where I would go. If you're convicted of a crime. Even if you might say you're innocent, we have to have some way of sorting this out. That's what our legal system is for.

GLENN: And if you want to do that. If you want to take it off early, just pay the person. Pay the person. So you don't destroy their life.

STU: The NFL, you're under contract. And someone comes up with an accusation, and they think they need to pull you off. They pull you out. They put you on the commissioner's suspended list. But you're still getting paid. Because, look, there's no conviction.

Nothing has been proven. If you're proven in a court of law to be guilty of a crime, It makes sense. That is the line, probably.

Instead, what it is, if someone accuses you -- now, of course, people have been saying bad things about Russell Brand for a very long time.

He's been saying bad things about himself, for a very, very long time. All the money that was coming through was fine. Until this news story had been written.

He was not charged with a crime. Let alone convicted of one.

He may be charged and convicted later.

But he hasn't been yet.

GLENN: Correct.

He said his relationships were always consensual.

He was accused of rape and sexual assault between 2006 and 2013.

He denies the claims. Was any -- were any charges filed?

Did anybody go to the police at the time? Anything.

Anything. He says, no.

I don't want to judge, because I don't know the man. We're not in a courtroom.

But here's what YouTube said. You ready for this standard, Stu?

See if this is -- if this is a little earlier than conviction.

If a creator's off platform behavior harms our users, our employees, or ecosystem, we take action.

Now, I don't know how his off-platform behavior in 2006.

STU: Existed.

GLENN: Yeah. Harmed your users, employees, or ecosystem.

What they're saying is, if somebody calls in our ecosystem, and says, I can't believe you guys are doing this. I'm not going to advertise. Or I'm not going to provide that chair for your conference room. I'm not going to do it. Because you will keep him up. That harms the ecosystem, and they can take action. This is -- we live in the Salem witch trial tames.

STU: It's true, though.

And, you know what, though. I can understand how these companies react this way.

Going back to your book, Dark Future. And the Great Reset.

And then great example of this is Twitter. You know, you go to use Twitter or whatever the heck they're calling it this week.

And, I mean, if I get another ad for Cheech and Chong gummies. Like every one of their ads are just trash. Because there's no companies on there anymore. They've all just left. Because Elon Musk said, you're allowed to speak freely. So all the companies just left. I mean, he himself is saying, that revenue is down 80 percent.

GLENN: And he himself is being charged with crimes that are not crimes. He's charged with not hiring new migrants that don't have green cards, don't have anything.

That is the DOJ and the Pentagon's rule for a rocket company!

WHY are we giving Ukraine a DIME if journalist 'KILL LIST' and trans spokesperson are REAL?

WHY are we giving Ukraine a DIME if journalist 'KILL LIST' and trans spokesperson are REAL?

There's an alleged Ukrainian "kill list" going around that includes the names of American journalists and reporters like Tucker Carlson, Glenn Greenwald, and Human Events' Jack Posobiec, as well as Elon Musk. But Glenn isn't sure whether to be relieved or disappointed that he isn't on the list. However, it makes him ask, if this is at all associated with the Ukrainian government, why are we sending them a DIME of our tax dollars? Glenn and Stu also debate whether transgender American Sarah Ashton-Cirillo, who claims to be a spokesperson for the Ukrainian military, is for real. Ashton-Cirillo has also called for the punishment of journalists who won't tow the Ukrainian line.


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STU: So you're not on a kill list?

GLENN: Good. Good. I'm not on a kill list.

STU: That's advertise appointing.

You're losing your touch. If you're on a kill list, I mean, I've seen them. You're not on the new kill list.

GLENN: No. I'm not on a new kill list.

And the new one has just put, you know, a friend of the program, from human events, Jack Posobiec. He's on the kill list now.

STU: Congratulations.

GLENN: Congratulations.

And the kill list has targeted Tucker Carlson, Elon Musk, and Glenn Greenwald. When I saw Glenn, in the article. I'm like, oh, dear. And I saw Greenwald. And I was like, well, wait a minute. I wasn't even nominated. And this list is called the peacemaker.

Now, when you hear the peacemaker, you think, oh. It's peaceful.

No. It calls for a retribution against perceived enemies of Ukraine.

And positive Sobic, is -- is pointed out. He's an anti-Ukrainian propagandist and provocateur.

Is he's going to be killed. Or at least, that's what they're threatening.

And I love the fact that we're sending money over to a country, that is developing kill lists for Americans.

STU: Now. This is not an official government document, I assume.

GLENN: This is -- let me see here.

This is -- this is -- this is from the guy who is -- you know, the woman. Who pretends he's a woman.

Who is an American. Here, let me -- let me just play. Have you seen. You have seen the new he/she, that is now -- hmm? What?

STU: The spokesperson for Ukraine?

I don't believe this. Can I come out and just formerly say?

GLENN: Come out?

STU: Not that way. Formerly say, I don't think this is real.

GLENN: It is real.

STU: We've checked it. And, no. This is really the Ukraine spokesperson, who happens to be a trans person.

GLENN: Yeah. That's an American.

STU: An American.

GLENN: That went over to Ukraine. Was in the army.

STU: I just don't believe it.

GLENN: Fighting. And then pulled from the front lines.

STU: That part, I believe. That part --

GLENN: From the front lines.

And then put in the propaganda of -- and ministry of information.

STU: I just don't believe it's true. It can't be true.

GLENN: If you're watching us on Blaze TV. This is worth the price of ignition for the month, okay? You're welcome.

We're giving you the bonus by showing you the video of this. Watch.

VOICE: Russia hates the truth. But their excessive focus on the Ukrainian volunteer, is simply allowing the light of the Ukrainian nation's honesty to shine brightly.

GLENN: Can we just stop for a second?

STU: Come on. This can't be real.

GLENN: Let me tell you something, I'm going to give Russia such a hit. In a minute. I'm going to finish this. And then I'm going to slap him across the face. All of Russia. I'm going to do it. And I'm going to look beautiful while I'm doing it. Go ahead.

VOICE: The teeth of the Russia devas will gnash ever harder.

STU: Come on.

VOICE: Uncontrollable frenzy.

GLENN: Stop. Stop.

STU: Seriously, there's -- this can't be real. It can't be real.

GLENN: Their rabid mouth are going to froth.

STU: They're foam.

GLENN: They're going to. It's -- they're foaming.

STU: They're going to foam. Is that what's happening?

GLENN: They're rabid dogs. And they're going to gnash their teeth. One.

STU: It's legitimately impossible this is real.

GLENN: This is real.

STU: How can --

GLENN: Stu, how can anything today be real?

Do you --

STU: This is a country that didn't even allow gay marriage.

They're not -- this is not a progressive --

GLENN: This is aimed to America.

STU: I know. But come on. First of all, it's aimed to America. It doesn't make any sense. They would -- they found a -- none of it makes sense. It makes more sense to me. That Russia is producing this. Specifically, to try to make Ukraine look bad.

That makes more sense.

GLENN: This is where the kill list is coming from. Okay. This is the kill list. It's coming from that department right there. Now, go ahead, he was talking about the uncontrollable frenzy.

STU: The one you were also -- the frothing.

GLENN: Quiet.

VOICE: Uncontrollable frenzy. As the world will see their favorite Kremlin propagandist paying for their crimes. And this puppet of Putin, is only the first. Russia's war propagandist will all be hunted down. And justice will be served. As we in Ukraine are led on this mission by faith in God, liberty, and complete liberation.

GLENN: Okay. I just have to -- I just want to point out, we are led by God.

And even though the Ukrainian people don't believe in transgenderism at all because of God. I'm their spokesperson. And because we are led by God, we will hunt down these people who disagree with us, and kill them.

I mean, it is hard to believe.

Tell me. And I've had quite a weekend.

Tell me what you believe. Tell me what you believe in. Right now!

Tell me you can tell me the difference between truth and fiction on any topic!

STU: I mean, I can't.

GLENN: No. I can't either.

STU: I can't. I've seen this has been confirmed by all these media sources, and I still don't believe it. You ever get a story like that. No. I won't believe it. I don't care how many times. I won't believe it. That's where I am on this one.

GLENN: I am on that, just about everything now. I look at everything. And I'm like, I don't know what to believe. I don't know who to believe.

I came in yesterday, and I looked at Stu and I said, I don't know what to believe. Who am I to get a radio and say, you know what, this is the truth. I have no idea.

STU: It's a very strange world.

GLENN: Well, just the guy in the dress. So the hair --

STU: And the guy in the dress with the hair, is the guy who made the kill list?

GLENN: Well, I don't know if he made it himself. He might have been doing his nails or something else.

STU: Who made the kill list?

GLENN: Well, it's coming from him.

STU: He's saying that Tucker Carlson, and Jack Posobiec, are on the kill list.

GLENN: Yeah. I was trying to rope him in.

Look how easily he just called him he. You are mis-gendered.

STU: Oh, oh.

GLENN: Cut two of the spokesperson.

STU: Oh, more?

GLENN: There has been much discussion in this entire role, within the armed forces of Ukraine.

Senator Vance recently asked the US director of national intelligence, along with the secretaries of state and defense, if I was working in some capacity for the American government.

STU: Believable.

VOICE: Simply put, I'm an American, serving as a Ukrainian infantry soldier and a combat medic.

Who is brought from this, and assigned to the TDF's media team in the dual role of spokesperson and Russian disinformation analyst.

The remaining speculation surrounding me is disappointing.

Why in Ukraine, we're fighting for global liberty, and the ideology of victory.

Too many in Moscow and across the world are still caught up and focusing on the tired trope of gender chaos.

GLENN: Stop. Stop.

STU: Stop for a second.

People who are critical of gender ideology. Use the term gender chaos.

GLENN: That's what he said. They're using the old tired trope of gender -- what did you say? Chaos.

STU: Chaos. Yeah.

GLENN: He's saying that's an old tired trope.

Like, they're focused on the old tired trope of gender chaos.

There is no chaos here!

It will all make sense. Give me that cigarette. I'm just going to have a cigarette right now.

STU: Highly suspicious.

GLENN: I'm going to kill you. I'm going to kill you.

STU: Senator Vance, a good question to ask, I would say.

Because there's two things that would make sense here, sort of.

One, like, there's someone in our government saying, you know what, sure, we'll give you these billions of dollars.

One of the conditions is, yeah, you have to appoint us a spokesperson.

Someone in the LGBTQQIA2+ community to show your tolerance. That's believable. That's believable.

GLENN: You're telling me, there isn't somebody, that you find this too hard to believe. That there's somebody like, you know who we could get rid of?

We could get rid of all these people.

You can't do that. You can't do that. No? We could put a guy that is pretending to be a woman, that everybody is dismissing. And give them whole bunches of money. And they could come and kill people.

I mean, I'm not saying that's happening.

But I'm not, not saying that either. Because I don't know what's happening anymore.

STU: There could be a trading places thing. Where like there's a couple of people. All the people with monocles, who are like, what if we made them have a transgendered person, come out as their spokesperson.

GLENN: By the way, J.D. Vance is going to be joining us in ten minutes.

STU: He is? Let's ask him about this. Because I don't believe it.

GLENN: No. We shouldn't ask him about this.

STU: I would like to know. That's not why he's coming, is it?

GLENN: No. He's coming auto about other things. My first question is, tell me about the dude in the dress. With the kill list. Why are we giving them money?

If this is from the Ukrainian ministry of whatever, why are we giving them money?

STU: Well, if it's an official document, anyone associated with it, should immediately be fired.

And we should who would money until that happens, right?

But these are American citizens we're talking about.

GLENN: I'm so tired of you just blabbing. I'm still listening to the spokesperson, go ahead.

VOICE: Ukraine is a nation that embraces individual liberty, and maintains that devotion to God. The freedom that Ukraine is fighting for, is not based on carving out privilege, but creating a pathway of prosperity and success, founded in hard work and the rule of law for all.

Neither I, nor any Ukrainians, fighting for tolerance, acceptance, for any one group. But for the freedom of every human.

GLENN: Oh, is that very --

STU: Come on.

I would like to say, yeah, there is something off here. But that's fairly obvious. But what I would say is that, I think --

GLENN: Yeah, you think.

STU: I don't think this is real. I don't think it's real.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. Well --

STU: Isn't there something that --

GLENN: I will put you on my list. Not on my kill list.

Because you're not that important, but my slap across the face list. If I ever see you walking across the street. Slapping you. I will slap and slap and slap you, until you're silly.

STU: You should not be on the Ukraine list.

You have been very fair on your coverage, right?

GLENN: Well, we did go in and rescue children. I mean, other than that.

STU: There you go.

You shouldn't be a kill list.


STU: You've helped rescue people in need.

GLENN: Yeah. But I do think the government is completely corrupt.

I don't think we should be spending money there. And I also don't want to be -- you know, in any war, sending planes or anything, really.

Anymore.over to Ukraine. I --

STU: There's some risk associated with such things.

GLENN: Well, it's only nuclear annihilation.

STU: Right. That's the risk I was talking about.

GLENN: Yeah, that's the only risk.

So I think that's probably we should -- I think it's enough. I think it's enough.

STU: So you're saying, just the nuclear annihilation is enough, to not send over the --

GLENN: It is. It is for me.

They're saying, you know, we might be in a nuclear war. Our president is not too well. And he will have about ten minutes to make the decision, whether to fire or not.

And I'm -- I'm just -- I'm out on a limb here in today's crazy world. But I'm saying, I don't think so.

I don't think so.

And I could put on a wig, if it would make more sense to you. But I don't think we should do it. Uh-huh.

STU: Now, doesn't Biden have a speech at the UN?

So I'm sure, that will -- that will ease any of your concerns. Because he'll knock that one out of the park.

And will know, okay. He's got a really good vision. He has it all under control.

GLENN: Sure. And Zelinsky is there too. Zelinsky is meeting.

STU: Maybe come out, as a woman for the speech.

I mean, that seems to be a very effective tactic.

GLENN: Let me tell you something, I wouldn't be surprised.

STU: We would all be told, we should accept it. And it wasn't anything different than normal. And if you notice it, you're a bad person.

And even more.

GLENN: She's the most beautiful president I've ever seen. She is --

STU: The first female president, by the way.

GLENN: First female president. And the most beautiful person I've ever seen.

STU: And if you disagree with that.

GLENN: And if you're like, it's Joe Biden in lipstick.

STU: No. No. No, it's not. No, it's not. You've mis-gendered that, Joe Biden.

GLENN: And we'll put you on a kill list,

After TERRIFYING 'Exorcist' trailer, is ANYTHING safe to watch with your kids?

After TERRIFYING 'Exorcist' trailer, is ANYTHING safe to watch with your kids?

Over the weekend, many NFL fans were shocked to see an incredibly frightening and evil-looking trailer for "The Exorcist: Believer" that played during the games. Is anything on TV family friendly anymore, Glenn asks? Because plenty of young children saw this ad while watching the games with their families. Glenn and Stu discuss how innocence has more or less disappeared from the entertainment world. Before, we had Disney and sports. But now, is there anything left that parents can let their kids watch without needing to monitor every second of it?


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STU: Oh, now it's starting to sound interesting. I will say, can I -- on the horror movie thing. You said you watched some football this weekend. Watched some of the Chiefs. Jaguar's game. Is that what you did, at some point?

GLENN: No. But my son talked to me about it.

STU: You didn't actually watch it. But you listened to your son.

A lot of these -- I don't know. I have kids right in that age of -- you know, they don't watch.

I don't have them watching all sorts of horror movies. Or, you know, like -- keeping them pretty much away from that. And people are saying, hey. You're keeping your kid in a bubble.

Look at this world. I want this bubble to be thicker. That's what I want.

GLENN: It's not a bubble. It's more of an actual wall.

STU: Yes. I built the wall.

I'm doing it as long as possible. My belief is, I remember this growing up.

And as you get older, you have plenty of time to do all the really bad things that the world offers.

GLENN: Oh, no, there's nobody there to nag you or stop you.

STU: No. You can do whatever you want.

So he will have plenty of time. My daughter will have plenty of time to do all the terrible things that the world offers. But for right now, I would like to keep them away from that.

And they're still young enough, in which, they're watching a horror movie.

They can get stared. I don't know what time --

GLENN: Sure. Twenty-four and 21.

STU: But like, seriously, I don't know. I remember moments from my childhood.

It seemed like moments from a Stephen King movie, and being terrified for weeks.

GLENN: Oh -- oh, I know what you're going to talk about.

STU: You do?

GLENN: Yes! Because I watched the Cowboys game.

STU: Yeah, right!

But they are running an advertisement for some exorcist sequel in the middle of these games.

GLENN: That looks scary as heck.

STU: That looks freaking terrifying. And like, as a dad, who knows, who will be the guy getting up in the middle of the night, if my kids are terrified about this.

Can you make it? I don't know, 80 percent less terrifying?

There's just like --

GLENN: Oh, my gosh. I saw it. I saw it.

I saw it like every commercial break.

STU: Yeah. Yeah.

GLENN: And I'm watching. What is happening? What is happening?

I thought, at first, because I was only half watching.

I thought this has to be a parody of something.

STU: Because you've seen Exorcist in such a -- it's been done so many times.

GLENN: Right. Everyone is like, no.

Hold on. I mean, I remember the exorcist.

I remember. I've been -- I never saw it. I -- you know, after I -- you know, after I moved out of my parent's house. Then I saw a little bit of it. But I never watched the whole thing.

I watched 15 minutes. And I'm like, I cannot watch this movie.

My sister went. She snuck out of the husband.

She was 16. She snuck out with her friends. Because this isn't the time when everyone was vomiting in the theaters and everything else. And she's like, I've got to see this. Then she comes at night. And she's too afraid to sleep in her own bed. So I have bunk beds. She sleeps in the bottom bunks for like a month. And every night, she tells me about it. And I'm like, I -- I'm like seven.

Mom, I'm afraid. What are you afraid of?

Demons. Why are you afraid of demons?

Not because they went to the exorcist, and told me all about it.

STU: You're the big brother, I can see.

Really, it's terrifying.

STU: Especially because we live in a world, in which basically the only thing you can safely allow your kids to watch are sports.

Like, everything else is terrible.

The Disney Channel has become terrible.

GLENN: Terrible.

STU: Right? For your kids.

So you can put them in front of sports, mostly.

And most of the time, it's okay. And then -- but then occasionally, there will be a commercial, in which the devil's hand comes out of the screen. And grasps their throat. That's all.

And it's like, can you -- I don't know. Sentiment.

GLENN: There used to be an unwritten rule. First, I think it was an unwritten rule.

Then it was a written rule. The family hour. When the family is watching something together, can we make it something the family can watch together?

STU: Yeah. Yeah.

Now, again, if you're up in the fourth quarter. And it's 11 o'clock at night on a Sunday night game, Monday night game.

You know, I understand, you might have different rules there. But the NFL, how much money did they make?

How -- I mean, billions and billions and billions of dollars.

The networks all of the top-rated shows for the entire year, are NFL games.

GLENN: Do you expect us -- do you expect us to turn down money?

STU: Yes! No. I am not even asking you to have a standard.

GLENN: I'm willing to pay. What, my politics aren't good enough for you?

STU: Just take the money to somebody else. Take it from some other -- put cigarettes back on television.

GLENN: Oh, they're so much better than I am.

STU: Please.

Wait. Do you even have a Satan button over there, do you?

GLENN: No. I don't know what are you're talking about.

STU: So that's all we're asking.

GLENN: Just don't scare the crap out of the children.

Quite honestly, and me.

I could see that face, in my head right now.

I don't want to see that face. I don't want to see that face. My gosh, Sara, look, think of that face.

Now look at Stu. Very similar.

STU: Very similar. Yes.

GLENN: And may I just say, you should brush your teeth occasionally.

STU: Occasionally. I think that big fluoride is already in the water.

GLENN: Toothbrushes are evil.