Shatner v. Glenn


Up Till Now: The Autobiography

By William Shatner

GLENN: Hello, William, how are you, sir?

SHATNER: Really great. What about yourself, Glenn?

GLENN: Very good.

SHATNER: I didn't vent. I was just talking and things got out of hand.

GLENN: Here's the thing. There's -- because we walked off the set and there is a betting pool going on right now. Everybody is pretty clear that you walked on the set really not being the most comfortable with me.

SHATNER: No. Whoever -- I was fine.

GLENN: No, no, no, we know that you're fine and we know that you weren't intimidated. I'm not referring to that. It's just like you're not really a fan.

SHATNER: No, that's not true, Glenn. I am a fan in a way, the way you'd be a fan of a fire.

GLENN: Right.

SHATNER: You look at the fire, admire the fire, the blazing fire. You might even put your hand in the general direction of the fire.

GLENN: Sure.

SHATNER: For warmth.

GLENN: Uh-huh, uh-huh.

SHATNER: But beware.

GLENN: So -- that's exactly what we all believe you thought. So now when -- you, I believe, are the first guest that I've ever had that did not walk off the set after an hour, that kind of went, you know what, he's not really a fire; I kind of like the guy.

SHATNER: I did. I did walk off the set -- are you fishing for compliments?

GLENN: No, no, no, I'm fishing for the truth, William Shatner. I'm fishing for the truth.

SHATNER: The truth is you are a nice guy. You just, you hold an occasional odd position. That's all.

GLENN: Okay. Now, I would like to go over some of the -- I want you to know that the episode hasn't even aired. You know that.

SHATNER: Yeah.

GLENN: And I'm already getting complaint mail from Trekkies.

SHATNER: You're kidding.

GLENN: No.

SHATNER: Should I leash them?

GLENN: Well, just, I'm afraid of them.

SHATNER: No. They're like a small ember compared to you.

GLENN: Let me ask you. You're telling me with a straight face that you've never been afraid of people who buy and wear plastic pointy ears?

SHATNER: Well, if the ears, if they were wearing just the ears, there's nothing to fear.

GLENN: Sure.

SHATNER: It's the self-protrusions coming out of their costumes.



William Shatner may forever be best know his role as Captain Kirk on Star Trek.

GLENN: I just, three random e-mails that I pulled out, out of the many, many that are pissed that I didn't ask you.

SHATNER: Really?

GLENN: Oh, yes. Here we go: I can't believe that you didn't ask him why each episode was referred to as Stardate. What does that even mean? I guess we'll never know. Thanks a lot, jerk. Let's see. What is the actual color of the original command tunics is another one.

SHATNER: Well --

GLENN: And I like this one, too. What is it like to be beamed up? How come you guys had that technology so long ago on your show and we still don't have it today, plus what was your favorite planet that you visited while you were doing your space travel on TV and which one would you like to go back to.

SHATNER: Wait a minute. That sounds like a question for me, not for you.

GLENN: They are all -- no, no, they are all questions for you.

SHATNER: Oh, I see.

GLENN: Yeah.

SHATNER: I have no answer for any of them.

GLENN: Good.

SHATNER: I mean, it was a fantasy, wasn't it? It was just a television show.

GLENN: Do you ever, do you ever -- have you ever actually said that to somebody? "It's a television show. Get a life."

SHATNER: I do say it a lot, and they at times unequivocally deny that and accuse me of trying to obfuscate because it really was a window into reality. No, 99.9% are just having fun.

GLENN: Right.

SHATNER: That one tenth, as I'm sure you well know.

GLENN: Yeah. Did you see Galaxy Quest?

SHATNER: I did. It was very funny.

GLENN: Obviously a parody of --

SHATNER: Yeah.

GLENN: That's kind of -- in your book up until now, you talk about you didn't know that the rest of the crew hated you.

SHATNER: Well, wait a minute. That's overstated a little.

GLENN: Well, that's what I do, William.

SHATNER: A couple of people didn't like me and I never understood why and I still don't to this day.

GLENN: Who didn't like you?

SHATNER: Nichelle Nichols and George Takei.

SHATNER: Nichelle Nichols, that's Uhura, right?

SHATNER: Yes.

GLENN: You made out with her.

SHATNER: Not I, not I.

GLENN: You had the first interracial kiss with her, did you not?

SHATNER: Yes, again the fantasy of Star Trek. And, you know, Barbara Walters has written an autobiography and admitted to certain sexual activities, and I don't -- I haven't read her book but I've got to figure that the book contains a lot of stuff other than what she wrote about in her affair with a politician.

GLENN: May I ask --

SHATNER: So my point is this: The media pounces on some issue that in this case, for example, on my book, up until now, is a minute thing in which the breath it takes to say, for 40 years somebody's got a feud with me, or a feud on that part, a dislike of me, is not worth more than the breath I've just stated because --

GLENN: So what was the -- why did you put it in the book then?

SHATNER: Because it was one of those things that people say, you've got to write about that. And so I refer to it. But because it's something you can attack, you can use and it's succinct. You know, somebody didn't like you; oh, yes; no, they didn't, as opposed to other things I write about. So put in its proper place, a couple of people didn't like me on the set and I didn't know it. That's the funny part or the part that I find astonishing about myself. I mean, are you aware of your staff and their likes and dislikes in the hurly-burly of doing three hours a day and then your night show? I mean, your --

GLENN: I do. I fire anybody who doesn't like me. What? I have people that listen and eavesdrop and then we fire them if they say anything bad about me.

SHATNER: Yeah, you don't know that. You don't know what they're thinking. You don't know what they're saying to each other unless it were to come out. My point is, you can't be -- you should be, but you can't be aware of everything going on around you. So in doing ten pages a day, year after year on that show, I guess I must have been ignorant about this.

GLENN: So if that's not the -- you are saying the media pounces on that part. So then what is the part that you say, "I wish somebody would pay attention to this; this is the most important part of the book"?

SHATNER: Well, no, there's no more one important part than the other. The book is a snapshot of the beginning to now, up until now, and there are many subjects brought up. And I can understand people's interest in this, but it irks me that it's so minuscule, somebody not liking me for 40 years and my not knowing why, nor being able to get out of them yet why.

GLENN: Well, George Takei. I've talked to him a couple of times.

SHATNER: Have you?

GLENN: He's an odd duck. So there you go. Because I'm riddled with ADD, I've got to go back to Barbara Walters, more information than you ever wanted to know about her?

SHATNER: Yes. You've got to ask the question, why would somebody do that?

GLENN: I have no -- she was so classy, she was -- I mean, she was really, you know, the first woman of news. She went on to The View and so she did that and so she's kind of tainted her image on that a little bit and now she's going to go out being known as somebody who was like a sex kitten breaking up this marriage. It's disturbing.

GLENN: But more profoundly is why would she choose to do that? And I saw an interview in which she said, you know, I really don't know why I did that, why I wrote that.

GLENN: But she continues to do it.

SHATNER: Exactly. And so what is it? Is it publicity for her book or is it breaking out of her age, trying to free? I mean, that's the mystery. Not so much that she had this affair and wrote about it. Why is she continuing --

GLENN: I have no idea.

SHATNER: Yeah.

GLENN: There was a conservative media watchdog group I've never heard of and they said, "Barbara has sunk to the very level of other attention-starved celebrities such as Paris Hilton or Steve-O from "Jackass." Walters' people came back and said this conservative watchdog group seems to have lived a sheltered life in a doghouse. Again I go back to your point, it's not information anybody wanted.

SHATNER: No.

GLENN: It's not information that's important.

SHATNER: Exactly. It's not information that's important. And not only that, it's an autobiography. She's writing about herself. She doesn't have the authority to out somebody else. I mean, you do all the harm you want --

GLENN: To yourself.

SHATNER: -- to yourself but don't harm somebody else in the process.

GLENN: All right. In the middle of the interview you said something and I just wanted to come to you for a solution.

SHATNER: All right.

GLENN: I don't agree with you on the problem but I'd like to hear your solution.

SHATNER: Good.

GLENN: You said almost every problem we have right now is due to overpopulation.

SHATNER: Yes.

GLENN: And I said there are just too many stupid people on Earth. You said there's too many smart and stupid people. So what is the solution to overpopulation?

SHATNER: Well, nature, nature eventually will take care of that problem like they did, like nature does with animals. We're overgrazing. So when deer multiply, when the natural order of things is disturbed and predators are taken away, for example, the deer, they overpopulate, they eat too much of the food and they starve. And we're going to -- if we don't curb -- how do we stop the overpopulation? I guess it's by education and saying you've got to have less children, you can't have all the children you want anymore. There's a difference in the world now. Or nature will take care of it.

GLENN: How many -- well, I just want -- I mean, in 1968 they said by 1980 the world would starve to death. Food production --

SHATNER: But there's no question that technology has increased the yield per acre. But in increasing the yield per acre, we have defiled the planet even more. By putting more fertilizer on the ground, we have the runoff and we have the seas dying as a result of all the fertilizer.

GLENN: Do you believe that the Earth takes care of -- and I mean this as a sincere question. Do you believe that the Earth takes care of problems in the way that this cyclone hit or this earthquake in China? Is that the Earth saying, enough?

SHATNER: Well, no. The cyclone itself is a natural order, but the number of people killed, which would have been three in another age, is now tens of thousands. And that's the result of overpopulation. The population of the world is taking over niches for living space and agriculture that they wouldn't have done before. So they are on low-lying islands that are inches above water level or cutting back mangroves like we did in Florida in order to get land and ultimate, whereas nature would have softened the blows of some of these disastrous storms, now that isn't taking place. Eventually and when that will happen, it's hard to predict. But we know it's not going to be that far away. Nature will be killing more and more people because there are more and more people to be killed. They're in the way of these natural forces.

GLENN: William Shatner is with us. Can you hang on for just a second? We're going to take a break and then we'll come back.

SHATNER: Absolutely. I'm enjoying it.

GLENN: See, now he can say that, but I don't necessarily know if I believe him.

SHATNER: It's true.

GLENN: William Shatner from Boston Legal, Star Trek, yada, yada, yada and the new book "Up Until Now" is in bookstores. We'll continue our conversation in just a second.

(Allen Brothers)

GLENN: Back with William Shatner. He's got a new book out called "Up Till Now." What is your favorite book that you've made?

SHATNER: Gee, I don't know. Early on I did some really fine films, judgment at Nuremburg probably could be part of that.

GLENN: That was good.

SHATNER: That was a great film. You know I was -- you read that commercial on meat so well, it was --

GLENN: Oh, boy, here we go.

SHATNER: No, no. You really think -- you know where I'm going?

GLENN: I think so.

SHATNER: It's a great commercial. I mean, you did it so well. Yes?

GLENN: Yes, go ahead. Go ahead.

SHATNER: I didn't know -- I thought I would surprise you with the amount of energy, about the amount of energy it takes to make a steak, and I love steak, too. It's just I'm getting guiltier and guiltier about eating it.

GLENN: Not me. You know what? You give it up, I'll eat your share. I'll eat your share.

Listen, I want to play some -- this is from Boston Legal.

SHATNER: Okay.

GLENN: You don't have it? Oh, you don't have it. I'm sorry. I thought we had the clip. We'll save that. You know, what do you think of Patrick Stewart?

SHATNER: I love him. He's great and he's apparently wonderful in -- what am I saying apparently? I saw him. He's wonderful in Macbeth.

GLENN: When did you see that?

SHATNER: I saw it in Los Angeles.

GLENN: Really?

SHATNER: He played in Los Angeles.

GLENN: I just saw it last night.

SHATNER: What did you think?

GLENN: Unbelievable.

SHATNER: Great.

GLENN: The best -- I've never seen anything on stage as good. I hate Shakespeare but I like Patrick Stewart and I heard this was really, really good. This was absolutely unbelievable.

SHATNER: You can't say you hate Shake --

GLENN: Yes, I can.

SHATNER: No, Glenn, the science --

GLENN: I hate Shakespeare. It's, I hate somebody who I was forced to read when I was in high school.

SHATNER: There you go.

GLENN: And it's ancient dated language. The guy was a writer for, you know, Three's Company in his day.

SHATNER: Well, but here you have -- you loved Macbeth.

GLENN: I did love Macbeth.

SHATNER: So you can't say you hate Shakespeare. You hate Shakespeare badly done. You hate Shakespeare that's force-fed.

GLENN: Have you ever, have you ever done Shakespeare?

SHATNER: I was a member of the Stratford Ontario Company for three years.

GLENN: Can I tell you something? I think your dramatic readings are brilliant. Why don't you do more?

SHATNER: I do a lot.

GLENN: Currently?

SHATNER: Yeah.

GLENN: Really? Give me one. Do you have anything off the top of your head?

SHATNER: Well, there's a CD out right now called Exodus, it's an oratorio in which 350 voices, a choral group, a 72 piece orchestra and me doing an abbreviated version of Exodus which has gotten great reviews.

GLENN: Wow. If I only knew what an oratorio was. I wasn't listening when they taught me Shakespeare.

SHATNER: Well, you would enjoy this. You would enjoy this, I'm sure. But Glenn, your education is lacking in certain areas.

GLENN: Well, and I'm going to let you have the last word. William Shatner, "Up Till Now," he will be on television tomorrow night, CNN Headline Prime, 7:00. Thanks.


 

On the "Glenn Beck Radio Program," Glenn explained why he wouldn't be surprised to see our supply chain collapse and empty shelves in America in the near future. Shortages are already wrecking our economy, China (where many of our goods are still made) is facing an energy shortage, and the Biden administration sure seems to be doing everything it can to make things worse.

Glenn noted a serious warning from American CEO Mike Beckham: "There's a major storm brewing in the supply chain," Beckham wrote on Twitter.

Thanks to China's centrally planned system, electricity shortages are causing huge delays in product manufacturing. In fact, some items are facing a 33 percent cut in production. "It could dramatically impact every [American's] life next year. But almost no one knows about it yet," Beckham warned.

Glenn went on to explain exactly what this means for you — and what you can do to prepare.

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Every decision made by President Joe Biden has ended in "disaster," Bill O'Reilly told Glenn Beck.

O'Reilly joined the radio program to explain why he thinks there's only one "mechanism" Americans can use stop the Biden administration's mess.

"Give me one thing that [Biden] has done, just one, that's improved this nation. Everything that he has been involved with is a disaster. Everything from the COVID mandates, to the energy policies, to the economic policies, to the inflation, to Afghanistan, to the collapsing southern border, to the social woke business, to the denial of due process. Right across-the-board, there isn't anything this man has done, or stood for, that's improved America," O'Reilly said.

"But there is no mechanism to do anything about it until a year from this November: the midterm elections. That's the only mechanism that we have, under the Constitution. We elected this guy and he's there for four years. You neutralize him next November [2022], with the Republicans taking back the House and Senate, then he's done. [He] can't do anymore damage because you've got him in a hole. And he's not going to be proactive with executive orders. He's just going to stay there in his jammies for two more years. OK? So that's the only mechanism."

O'Reilly also tore into the corporate media for using its power to defend Gen. Mark Milley after news of his China calls broke. Is there any deterrence in American society anymore to keep our leaders and media in check?

"What does this say to the United States of America when you have two of the most powerful information agencies in the world — NBC, Comcast, and AT&T, CNN — actively deceiving you?" O'Reilly said. "They know what they're doing. And yet there is absolutely no way for anyone to hold them accountable other than not watching them, which has, of course, happened. You know they have no audience. But just the corruption level of the information flow to the American people is at an all-time high. We have never had a worse media in the history of this republic."

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Twitter is full of fake communists. Privileged teenagers and 20-somethings who tweet about Karl Marx from their iPhone, safe inside their parents' house.

A recent example of this is the "What is your job on the Leftist commune?" meme. It began as a tweet from some anonymous Twitter Marxist, asking "What is your job on the Leftist commune?"

She continued, "I'm gonna be leading discussion on theory some days, making clothes from scraps other days, and making lattes whenever needed."

The tweet got thousands of likes, retweets, and comments. Things like, "Bringing everyone water. Pouring tea and hot cocoa for folx in the reading alcoves. Checking in and doing a pause-to-breath with folx."

By the way, "folks" is spelled with an "x" for some reason.

Other commune occupations included "proofreading pamphlets," singing, archery, cooking, crotchet, "guiding embodiment practices," tarot card reading, "identity politic lawyering." Therapist, librarian, prostitute, and "puppy kindergarten teacher."

They're basically parroting Marx, whose communist society sounds like Woodstock or Burning Man.

They're basically parroting Marx, whose communist society sounds like Woodstock or Burning Man.

A magical place where "there are no painters but at most people who engage in painting among other things," which allows "everyone sufficient free time to take part in the general affairs of society — theoretical as well as practical," so that "there are no politicians but at most people who engage in politics among other activities."

Don't you know that communism is all about leisure and good vibes? A playground full of puppies and lattes.

Marx refers to "idle time" as a time for higher activity. He calls it "time for the full development of the individual."

Me Time. A life of spa days.

Generation Z is the first digital generation. The first generation to be born inside the internet. So it's no surprise that they have fallen for this kind of Marxist nonsense. If someone convinces you that Marxism will free you from work, of course you'd want it.

Now they're quitting their jobs in droves. The media is calling it "The Great Resignation," but really it's just a new version of Marx's anti-work movement.

Gen Z are incredibly progressive. And they expect the government to be involved. Decades of Marxist activism have finally convinced a generation that the point of work, the point of life, the point of government, is activism.

Pew Research Center found that seven in ten "members of Gen Z are more likely than older generations to look to government to solve problems, rather than businesses and individuals."

Seven in ten of Gen Z believe that the government should do more to solve problems. A majority of them are not proud of America, a majority of them hold negative views of capitalism.

They believe Marx when he says that Capitalism is only good for producing its own grave-diggers. We know that this is actually a description of communism. Actually, communism is much worse. Because it always results in mass graves.

They haven't realized that that the world that Marx foresaw is long gone. It failed. Repeatedly.

They don't realize that, even on the page, Marxism doesn't work. Because ultimately the greatest flaw of Marxism is that it forces us to choose between productive slavery and unproductive freedom. Either way, with Marxism we can never be free.

"The Great Resignation" is ultimately a crisis of freedom, identity, and exhaustion. It is, as noted in a recent Gallup report, an expression of great discontent. Gen Z feels like they have nothing to lose and nothing to gain.

But in America, there's always something to lose and gain.

But in America, there's always something to lose and gain. They just need to have a little patience.

For the most part, Americans adhere to the libertarian maxim, "As long as you're not hurting anyone…." It's our undeniable belief in the goodness of the people around us. If you've traveled out of the States much, you know this to be true. There's a spirit inherent to America, and it is overwhelmingly good in nature.

Marx's utopia would ruin us. It would make us as lazy as Marx. A man who lived off other people his entire life. A man who had no loyalty to any nation because no nation wanted him. He was stateless. Do you realize how awful a person has to be for them to be stateless?

Maybe Gen Z just needs to see America at its finest.

Marx's utopia would quickly become disgusting. It would leave us feeling empty. Hopefully, they realize this before it's too late. For their own sake. Because, if America ever actually fell to communism, they would be the first ones against the wall.

When the government plans to spend $3.5 trillion that it doesn't have on a loose definition of "infrastructure," it's a good idea to know what's actually in it.

On the radio program, Glenn Beck revealed some of the expenditures Democrats hid in the bill, like a 10-fold increase in fines for employers who don't comply with the government's COVID-19 mandates, "equitable" bankroll for Biden's Build Back Better agenda, and "climate justice" funding.

"Let me tell you what's in our infrastructure bill, the $3.5 trillion bill," Glenn began. "Nancy Pelosi quietly tucked an enforcement mechanism into the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill, passed it down to the budget committee, and sent it to the House floor. It's something you should know about, on page 168. I know, why read it? It's 2,465 pages."

Glenn pointed out the huge fees for certain businesses that refuse to comply with the Biden administration's proposed vaccine mandates. The fees could be as much as $700,000.

"Up to $700,000 ... that will kill all companies that are noncompliant. Kill them. That's 80 million of us who work in companies that are going to be fined in that way, if they don't bow the knee to the king," he said.

Glenn and Stu Burguiere went on to discuss more Democrat "wish list" items hidden inside this reconciliation bill, such as establishing "business incubators" who are authorized to disperse tens of billions of dollars to startup businesses in underserved areas, including the formerly incarcerated, and exclusive to businesses less that five years in operation or in "the planning stages."

"These sorts of businesses are the most risky place to put your money. Well, that matters when it's your money. But if it's not your money, who cares how risky it is. It's our [taxpayers] money so they don't care at all," Stu noted.

"Well, there's also $5 billion for climate justice block grants to pay for community organizations for, among other things, facilitating engagement of disadvantaged communities in state and federal processes," Glenn read. "Wait a minute. 'Facilitating engagement of disadvantaged communities in state and federal processes'? Organizing votes — that's what it sounds like."

"This is essentially all of us funding the fever dream of Barack Obama," Stu said.

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