Shatner v. Glenn


Up Till Now: The Autobiography

By William Shatner


GLENN: Hello, William, how are you, sir?

SHATNER: Really great. What about yourself, Glenn?

GLENN: Very good.

SHATNER: I didn't vent. I was just talking and things got out of hand.

GLENN: Here's the thing. There's -- because we walked off the set and there is a betting pool going on right now. Everybody is pretty clear that you walked on the set really not being the most comfortable with me.

SHATNER: No. Whoever -- I was fine.

GLENN: No, no, no, we know that you're fine and we know that you weren't intimidated. I'm not referring to that. It's just like you're not really a fan.

SHATNER: No, that's not true, Glenn. I am a fan in a way, the way you'd be a fan of a fire.

GLENN: Right.

SHATNER: You look at the fire, admire the fire, the blazing fire. You might even put your hand in the general direction of the fire.

GLENN: Sure.

SHATNER: For warmth.

GLENN: Uh-huh, uh-huh.

SHATNER: But beware.

GLENN: So -- that's exactly what we all believe you thought. So now when -- you, I believe, are the first guest that I've ever had that did not walk off the set after an hour, that kind of went, you know what, he's not really a fire; I kind of like the guy.

SHATNER: I did. I did walk off the set -- are you fishing for compliments?

GLENN: No, no, no, I'm fishing for the truth, William Shatner. I'm fishing for the truth.

SHATNER: The truth is you are a nice guy. You just, you hold an occasional odd position. That's all.

GLENN: Okay. Now, I would like to go over some of the -- I want you to know that the episode hasn't even aired. You know that.

SHATNER: Yeah.

GLENN: And I'm already getting complaint mail from Trekkies.

SHATNER: You're kidding.

GLENN: No.

SHATNER: Should I leash them?

GLENN: Well, just, I'm afraid of them.

SHATNER: No. They're like a small ember compared to you.

GLENN: Let me ask you. You're telling me with a straight face that you've never been afraid of people who buy and wear plastic pointy ears?

SHATNER: Well, if the ears, if they were wearing just the ears, there's nothing to fear.

GLENN: Sure.

SHATNER: It's the self-protrusions coming out of their costumes.



William Shatner may forever be best know his role as Captain Kirk on Star Trek.


GLENN: I just, three random e-mails that I pulled out, out of the many, many that are pissed that I didn't ask you.

SHATNER: Really?

GLENN: Oh, yes. Here we go: I can't believe that you didn't ask him why each episode was referred to as Stardate. What does that even mean? I guess we'll never know. Thanks a lot, jerk. Let's see. What is the actual color of the original command tunics is another one.

SHATNER: Well --

GLENN: And I like this one, too. What is it like to be beamed up? How come you guys had that technology so long ago on your show and we still don't have it today, plus what was your favorite planet that you visited while you were doing your space travel on TV and which one would you like to go back to.

SHATNER: Wait a minute. That sounds like a question for me, not for you.

GLENN: They are all -- no, no, they are all questions for you.

SHATNER: Oh, I see.

GLENN: Yeah.

SHATNER: I have no answer for any of them.

GLENN: Good.

SHATNER: I mean, it was a fantasy, wasn't it? It was just a television show.

GLENN: Do you ever, do you ever -- have you ever actually said that to somebody? "It's a television show. Get a life."

SHATNER: I do say it a lot, and they at times unequivocally deny that and accuse me of trying to obfuscate because it really was a window into reality. No, 99.9% are just having fun.

GLENN: Right.

SHATNER: That one tenth, as I'm sure you well know.

GLENN: Yeah. Did you see Galaxy Quest?

SHATNER: I did. It was very funny.

GLENN: Obviously a parody of --

SHATNER: Yeah.

GLENN: That's kind of -- in your book up until now, you talk about you didn't know that the rest of the crew hated you.

SHATNER: Well, wait a minute. That's overstated a little.

GLENN: Well, that's what I do, William.

SHATNER: A couple of people didn't like me and I never understood why and I still don't to this day.

GLENN: Who didn't like you?

SHATNER: Nichelle Nichols and George Takei.

SHATNER: Nichelle Nichols, that's Uhura, right?

SHATNER: Yes.

GLENN: You made out with her.

SHATNER: Not I, not I.

GLENN: You had the first interracial kiss with her, did you not?

SHATNER: Yes, again the fantasy of Star Trek. And, you know, Barbara Walters has written an autobiography and admitted to certain sexual activities, and I don't -- I haven't read her book but I've got to figure that the book contains a lot of stuff other than what she wrote about in her affair with a politician.

GLENN: May I ask --

SHATNER: So my point is this: The media pounces on some issue that in this case, for example, on my book, up until now, is a minute thing in which the breath it takes to say, for 40 years somebody's got a feud with me, or a feud on that part, a dislike of me, is not worth more than the breath I've just stated because --

GLENN: So what was the -- why did you put it in the book then?

SHATNER: Because it was one of those things that people say, you've got to write about that. And so I refer to it. But because it's something you can attack, you can use and it's succinct. You know, somebody didn't like you; oh, yes; no, they didn't, as opposed to other things I write about. So put in its proper place, a couple of people didn't like me on the set and I didn't know it. That's the funny part or the part that I find astonishing about myself. I mean, are you aware of your staff and their likes and dislikes in the hurly-burly of doing three hours a day and then your night show? I mean, your --

GLENN: I do. I fire anybody who doesn't like me. What? I have people that listen and eavesdrop and then we fire them if they say anything bad about me.

SHATNER: Yeah, you don't know that. You don't know what they're thinking. You don't know what they're saying to each other unless it were to come out. My point is, you can't be -- you should be, but you can't be aware of everything going on around you. So in doing ten pages a day, year after year on that show, I guess I must have been ignorant about this.

GLENN: So if that's not the -- you are saying the media pounces on that part. So then what is the part that you say, "I wish somebody would pay attention to this; this is the most important part of the book"?

SHATNER: Well, no, there's no more one important part than the other. The book is a snapshot of the beginning to now, up until now, and there are many subjects brought up. And I can understand people's interest in this, but it irks me that it's so minuscule, somebody not liking me for 40 years and my not knowing why, nor being able to get out of them yet why.

GLENN: Well, George Takei. I've talked to him a couple of times.

SHATNER: Have you?

GLENN: He's an odd duck. So there you go. Because I'm riddled with ADD, I've got to go back to Barbara Walters, more information than you ever wanted to know about her?

SHATNER: Yes. You've got to ask the question, why would somebody do that?

GLENN: I have no -- she was so classy, she was -- I mean, she was really, you know, the first woman of news. She went on to The View and so she did that and so she's kind of tainted her image on that a little bit and now she's going to go out being known as somebody who was like a sex kitten breaking up this marriage. It's disturbing.

GLENN: But more profoundly is why would she choose to do that? And I saw an interview in which she said, you know, I really don't know why I did that, why I wrote that.

GLENN: But she continues to do it.

SHATNER: Exactly. And so what is it? Is it publicity for her book or is it breaking out of her age, trying to free? I mean, that's the mystery. Not so much that she had this affair and wrote about it. Why is she continuing --

GLENN: I have no idea.

SHATNER: Yeah.

GLENN: There was a conservative media watchdog group I've never heard of and they said, "Barbara has sunk to the very level of other attention-starved celebrities such as Paris Hilton or Steve-O from "Jackass." Walters' people came back and said this conservative watchdog group seems to have lived a sheltered life in a doghouse. Again I go back to your point, it's not information anybody wanted.

SHATNER: No.

GLENN: It's not information that's important.

SHATNER: Exactly. It's not information that's important. And not only that, it's an autobiography. She's writing about herself. She doesn't have the authority to out somebody else. I mean, you do all the harm you want --

GLENN: To yourself.

SHATNER: -- to yourself but don't harm somebody else in the process.

GLENN: All right. In the middle of the interview you said something and I just wanted to come to you for a solution.

SHATNER: All right.

GLENN: I don't agree with you on the problem but I'd like to hear your solution.

SHATNER: Good.

GLENN: You said almost every problem we have right now is due to overpopulation.

SHATNER: Yes.

GLENN: And I said there are just too many stupid people on Earth. You said there's too many smart and stupid people. So what is the solution to overpopulation?

SHATNER: Well, nature, nature eventually will take care of that problem like they did, like nature does with animals. We're overgrazing. So when deer multiply, when the natural order of things is disturbed and predators are taken away, for example, the deer, they overpopulate, they eat too much of the food and they starve. And we're going to -- if we don't curb -- how do we stop the overpopulation? I guess it's by education and saying you've got to have less children, you can't have all the children you want anymore. There's a difference in the world now. Or nature will take care of it.

GLENN: How many -- well, I just want -- I mean, in 1968 they said by 1980 the world would starve to death. Food production --

SHATNER: But there's no question that technology has increased the yield per acre. But in increasing the yield per acre, we have defiled the planet even more. By putting more fertilizer on the ground, we have the runoff and we have the seas dying as a result of all the fertilizer.

GLENN: Do you believe that the Earth takes care of -- and I mean this as a sincere question. Do you believe that the Earth takes care of problems in the way that this cyclone hit or this earthquake in China? Is that the Earth saying, enough?

SHATNER: Well, no. The cyclone itself is a natural order, but the number of people killed, which would have been three in another age, is now tens of thousands. And that's the result of overpopulation. The population of the world is taking over niches for living space and agriculture that they wouldn't have done before. So they are on low-lying islands that are inches above water level or cutting back mangroves like we did in Florida in order to get land and ultimate, whereas nature would have softened the blows of some of these disastrous storms, now that isn't taking place. Eventually and when that will happen, it's hard to predict. But we know it's not going to be that far away. Nature will be killing more and more people because there are more and more people to be killed. They're in the way of these natural forces.

GLENN: William Shatner is with us. Can you hang on for just a second? We're going to take a break and then we'll come back.

SHATNER: Absolutely. I'm enjoying it.

GLENN: See, now he can say that, but I don't necessarily know if I believe him.

SHATNER: It's true.

GLENN: William Shatner from Boston Legal, Star Trek, yada, yada, yada and the new book "Up Until Now" is in bookstores. We'll continue our conversation in just a second.

(Allen Brothers)

GLENN: Back with William Shatner. He's got a new book out called "Up Till Now." What is your favorite book that you've made?

SHATNER: Gee, I don't know. Early on I did some really fine films, judgment at Nuremburg probably could be part of that.

GLENN: That was good.

SHATNER: That was a great film. You know I was -- you read that commercial on meat so well, it was --

GLENN: Oh, boy, here we go.

SHATNER: No, no. You really think -- you know where I'm going?

GLENN: I think so.

SHATNER: It's a great commercial. I mean, you did it so well. Yes?

GLENN: Yes, go ahead. Go ahead.

SHATNER: I didn't know -- I thought I would surprise you with the amount of energy, about the amount of energy it takes to make a steak, and I love steak, too. It's just I'm getting guiltier and guiltier about eating it.

GLENN: Not me. You know what? You give it up, I'll eat your share. I'll eat your share.

Listen, I want to play some -- this is from Boston Legal.

SHATNER: Okay.

GLENN: You don't have it? Oh, you don't have it. I'm sorry. I thought we had the clip. We'll save that. You know, what do you think of Patrick Stewart?

SHATNER: I love him. He's great and he's apparently wonderful in -- what am I saying apparently? I saw him. He's wonderful in Macbeth.

GLENN: When did you see that?

SHATNER: I saw it in Los Angeles.

GLENN: Really?

SHATNER: He played in Los Angeles.

GLENN: I just saw it last night.

SHATNER: What did you think?

GLENN: Unbelievable.

SHATNER: Great.

GLENN: The best -- I've never seen anything on stage as good. I hate Shakespeare but I like Patrick Stewart and I heard this was really, really good. This was absolutely unbelievable.

SHATNER: You can't say you hate Shake --

GLENN: Yes, I can.

SHATNER: No, Glenn, the science --

GLENN: I hate Shakespeare. It's, I hate somebody who I was forced to read when I was in high school.

SHATNER: There you go.

GLENN: And it's ancient dated language. The guy was a writer for, you know, Three's Company in his day.

SHATNER: Well, but here you have -- you loved Macbeth.

GLENN: I did love Macbeth.

SHATNER: So you can't say you hate Shakespeare. You hate Shakespeare badly done. You hate Shakespeare that's force-fed.

GLENN: Have you ever, have you ever done Shakespeare?

SHATNER: I was a member of the Stratford Ontario Company for three years.

GLENN: Can I tell you something? I think your dramatic readings are brilliant. Why don't you do more?

SHATNER: I do a lot.

GLENN: Currently?

SHATNER: Yeah.

GLENN: Really? Give me one. Do you have anything off the top of your head?

SHATNER: Well, there's a CD out right now called Exodus, it's an oratorio in which 350 voices, a choral group, a 72 piece orchestra and me doing an abbreviated version of Exodus which has gotten great reviews.

GLENN: Wow. If I only knew what an oratorio was. I wasn't listening when they taught me Shakespeare.

SHATNER: Well, you would enjoy this. You would enjoy this, I'm sure. But Glenn, your education is lacking in certain areas.

GLENN: Well, and I'm going to let you have the last word. William Shatner, "Up Till Now," he will be on television tomorrow night, CNN Headline Prime, 7:00. Thanks.


 

The themes of healing and redemption appear throughout the Bible.

Our bodies are buried in brokenness, but they will be raised in glory. They are buried in weakness, but they will be raised in strength. — 1 Corinthians 15:43
It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners. — Mark 2:17.

So, for many Christians, it's no surprise to hear that people of faith live longer lives.

Heal me, O Lord, and I shall be healed; save me, and I shall be saved, for you are my praise. — Jeremiah 17:14.

But it is certainly lovely to hear, and a recent study by a doctoral student at Ohio State University is just one more example of empirical evidence confirming the healing benefits of faith and religious belief.

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Moreover, the study finds that religious belief can lengthen a person's life.

A joyful heart is good medicine, but a crushed spirit dries up the bones. — Proverbs 17:22
Lord, your discipline is good, for it leads to life and health. You restore my health and allow me to live! — Isaiah 38:16

The study analyzed over 1,000 obituaries nationwide and found that people of faith lived longer than people who were not religious. Laura Wallace, lead author of the study, noted that "religious affiliation had nearly as strong an effect on longevity as gender does, which is a matter of years of life."

The study notes that, "people whose obits mentioned a religious affiliation lived an average of 5.64 years longer than those whose obits did not, which shrunk to 3.82 years after gender and marital status were considered."

And He called to Him His twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every affliction. — Matthew 10:1

"The researchers found that part of the reason for the boost in longevity came from the fact that many religiously affiliated people also volunteered and belonged to social organizations, which previous research has linked to living longer. The study provides persuasive evidence that there is a relationship between religious participation and how long a person lives," said Baldwin Way, co-author of the study and associate professor of psychology at Ohio State.

Prayer is good medicine, and faith is a good protector.

In addition, the study showed how the effects of religion on longevity might depend in part on the personality and average religiosity of the cities where people live, Way said.

Prayer is good medicine, and faith is a good protector.

And the power of the Lord was with him to heal. — Luke 5:17
Heal the sick in it and say to them, The kingdom of God has come near to you. — Luke 10:9.

In early June, the Social Security and Medicare trustees released their annual report on the fiscal health of these programs, and the situation looks dire. Medicare is scheduled to run out of money in 2026 (three years sooner than anticipated), while Social Security is expected to run out in 2034. The rising national debt is only one of the well-known financial struggles the millennial generation faces. The burdens of student loan debt, high housing prices (thanks to zoning restrictions), stagnant wage growth, the rising cost of healthcare and lingering aftershocks of the Great Recession are among the biggest sources of economic anxiety millennials feel.

Progressive politicians have been very successful at courting the youth vote, partly because they actually promote policy ideas that address many of these concerns. As unrealistic or counterproductive as Senator Bernie Sanders' proposals for single-payer health care or a $15 an hour minimum wage might be, they feel in theory like they would provide the economic stability and prosperity millennials want.

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Republicans, on the other hand, have struggled to craft a message to address these concerns. Fiscal conservatives recognize, correctly, that the burden of the $20 trillion national debt and over $200 trillion in unfunded liabilities will fall on millennials. Some conservatives have even written books about that fact. But the need to reform entitlements hasn't exactly caught millennials' attention. Pollster Kristen Soltis Anderson, in her book The Selfie Vote, notes that millennials generally view protecting the safety net as more important than reducing the deficit.

Clearly, Republicans have a problem. They need to craft solutions that address the millennial generation's struggles, but they can't seem to sell entitlement reform, their biggest policy preference that addresses those problems. The Republican approach to wooing millennials on policy is failing because talking about stopping the debt from reaching an unsustainable level is long-term and abstract, and offers few immediate tangible benefits. A new approach to both pave the way for entitlement reform and give millennials an immediate financial boost is to first reform not entitlement spending, but the payroll tax: specifically, by partially (or wholly) replacing it with a value-added tax.

Under the current Social Security model, workers pay for the benefits of current retirees through the payroll tax. This system creates the illusion of a pension program, in which what you put in is what you get out, but in reality Social Security is a universal safety net program for the elderly paid for by taxes. The payroll tax falls on workers and is a tax on labor, while the value-added tax (VAT) is a tax on consumption imposed at every part of the production process. Assuming that this policy change is revenue-neutral, switching to a VAT will shift the responsibility for funding Social Security and Medicare away from workers, disproportionately poorer and younger, and onto everyone participating in the economy as a whole. Furthermore, uncoupling Social Security funding from payroll taxes would pave the way for fiscal reforms to transform the program from a universal benefit program to one geared specifically to eliminating old-age poverty, such as means-testing benefits for high-income beneficiaries, indexing benefits to prices rather than wages or changing the retirement age.

Switching from the payroll tax to the VAT would address both conservative and liberal tax policy preferences.

Switching from the payroll tax to the VAT would address both conservative and liberal tax policy preferences. As the Tax Policy Center notes, the change would actually make the tax system more progressive. The current payroll tax is regressive, meaning that people with lower incomes tend to pay a higher effective tax rate than people with higher incomes. On the other hand, the value-added tax is much closer to proportional than the payroll tax, meaning that each income group pays closer to the same effective tax rate.

For Republicans, such a change would fit conservative economic ideas about the long-run causes of economic growth. A value-added tax has a much broader base than the payroll tax, and therefore would allow for much lower marginal tax rates, and lower marginal tax rates mean smaller disincentives to economic activity. According to the Tax Foundation's analysis of a value-added tax, the VAT would be a more economically efficient revenue source than most other taxes currently in the tax code.

Not only would replacing part or all of the payroll tax provide an immediate benefit to millennial taxpayers, it would also open the door for the much-needed entitlement reforms that have been so politically elusive. Furthermore, it would make the tax code both more pro-growth and less regressive. In order to even begin to address the entitlement crisis, win millennial support and stimulate the economy in a fiscally responsible manner, Republicans must propose moving from the payroll tax to the VAT.

Alex Muresianu is a Young Voices Advocate. His writing has appeared in Townhall and The Federalist. He is a federal policy intern at the Tax Foundation. Opinions expressed here are his only and not the views of the Tax Foundation. He can be found on Twitter @ahardtospell.

Glenn was joined by Alanna Sarabia from "Good Morning Texas" at Mercury Studios on Thursday for an exclusive look at Mercury Museum's new "Rights & Responsibilities" exhibit. Open through Father's Day, the temporary museum features artifacts from pop culture, America's founding, World Ward II and more, focusing on the rights and responsibilities America's citizens.

Get tickets and more information here.

Watch as Glenn gives a sneak peek at some of the unique artifacts on display below.

History at the Mercury Museum

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Several months ago, at the Miss Universe competition, two women took a selfie, then posted it on Instagram. The caption read, "Peace and love." As a result of that selfie, both women faced death threats, and one of the women, along with her entire family, had to flee her home country. The occasion was the 2017 Miss Universe competition, and the women were Miss Iraq and Miss Israel. Miss Iraq is no longer welcome in her own country. The government threatened to strip her of her crown. Of course, she was also badgered for wearing a bikini during the competition.

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In an interview, Miss Iraq, Sarah Idan, said:

When I posted the picture I didn't think for a second there would be blowback. I woke up to calls from my family and the Miss Iraq Organization going insane. The death threats I got online were so scary. The director of the Miss Iraq Organization called me and said they're getting heat from the ministry. He said I have to take the picture down or they will strip me of my title.

Yesterday, Miss Iraq, Sarah Idan, posted another selfie with Miss Israel, during a visit to Jerusalem.

In an interview, she said that:

I don't think Iraq and Israel are enemies; I think maybe the governments are enemies with each other. There's a lot of Iraqi people that don't have a problem with Israelis.

This is, of course, quite an understatement: Iraq, home to roughly 15,000 Palestinians, refuses to acknowledge Israel as a legitimate country, as it is technically at war with Israel. The adages says that a picture is worth a thousand words. What are we to do when many of those words are hateful or deadly? And how can we find the goodness in such bad situations?