GLENN: I'm driving in today and I'm listening to Fox News and they mention that there is a very big shoe to fall tomorrow. Now, it's not them that mentioned it. It's a Democrat who was on saying the Republican dirty tricks department is at it again and there's this giant shoe to fall tomorrow on Barack Obama's wife, and this Democratic operative says, "And I hear this from very good sources." And they said, well, what is it? He said, I just, I don't even want to repeat it. It's just, it's bad. It's really, really bad. And I'm thinking to myself, why would a Democratic operative say this? And then I thought, okay. Well, maybe he's trying to manage expectations. Maybe he's trying to make it worse than it really is because my gosh. I mean, I tried to think in the car what it could possibly be that would destroy Barack Obama's -- I think you could find -- I think you could find the Bruno Magli shoes in his closet along with O.J.'s knife and he still would be like, same old smear tactics. It's her blood that was smeared. Yeah, Republican -- I don't think anything will stop this guy. So I couldn't imagine what it might be. And then I started searching the blogs and I came in and like, oh, yeah, Jim Geraghty's been on for a while from the National Review and Jim is really quite a reliable source and is not going to be the kind of guy that, you know, delves into Republican dirty tricks. And he says he doesn't buy it at all.
Jim Geraghty of National Review Online
GLENN: Tell me what the rumor is.
GLENN: On what people have on Michelle Obama. And first of all, I don't think this is true. Do you think it's true?
GERAGHTY: No. It was a point yesterday when I thought there might have been something going on but I am now much more upset that basically there's been a rumor going around for probably about two weeks now. And the person who was citing this most is Larry Johnson who's a former Clinton administration state department official. He's a guy who wrote an op-ed in the New York Times in August 2001 saying how the threat of terrorism was overhyped, as what someone described the worst timed op-ed in the history of mankind. Periodically is kind of a talking head for leftist center shows, et cetera. He's very much a strong supporter for Hillary Clinton, very much a strong supporter, Barack Obama. His allegation is there's a videotape out there against Michelle Obama railing against whitey and that was presumably a direct quote of what she was saying.
GERAGHTY: Whitey, uh-huh.
GLENN: Are you sure they weren't just talking? Because we have -- Barack Obama's advisor calls in once in a while, Honky Whitesville, and I don't know if that's the same person. Maybe Honky Whitesville just got in trouble or something. So she was railing against whitey. Do we know about what?
GERAGHTY: No. And the other thing is just to let you know his description of it, the other thing in the initial description which sounded weird is they said allegedly it was she was doing it from the pulpit of Trinity United. And that was one of the first things that kind of smelled funny coming off of this.
GERAGHTY: We've seen Michelle Obama say some pretty controversial things. So the idea of her saying something controversial in her past of itself isn't shocking. But I wasn't familiar enough with Trinity United that they allow someone to just step up, a member of the congregation to just get up and start saying whatever they like.
GLENN: And they also have, they seem to have extensive video vaults at the church.
GERAGHTY: Yeah. And so it's just kind of tough to believe that this is out there somewhere. And the other thing that Johnson kept insisting was that the Republicans had this, the Hillary Clinton folks didn't. Now, I don't know about you but the idea, the chain of custody of someone who would have something that damaging, he is more likely to end up in the hands of a Hillary supporter or a source who would want to put it in the hands of Hillary than in the hands of Republicans. Trinity United is not exactly a hotbed of Republican activity. You know, but maybe there's one guy there. Then yesterday, as early as last weekend he said, I'm going to have it updated at 9:00 on Monday and it's going to be big. So everybody's expecting they are going to get to see the tape. And he said, he heard from five people who have seen it and not only that, Louis Farrakhan is on the stage when she says this. And then everyone starts, you know, kind of grumbling, looking around and stuff like that. The other reporters who are looking into this. And after it was posted at 9:00, a whole bunch of their folks called back and said, oh, I forgot to tell you Louis Farrakhan oh on the tape, too.
GLENN: How do you forget Louis Farrakhan sitting next to --
GLENN: -- Michelle Obama while she's talking about whitey.
GERAGHTY: That's the kind of detail that's easy to overlook, huh, Glenn?
GLENN: Yeah. "Oh, I didn't even -- I forgot Louis Farrakhan was there. Yeah, that's right."
GERAGHTY: Bit by bit this is starting to not make -- and the other thing which is worth noting is that it's just this sense of, it's always, it's never the Hillary camp that has this, it's always the Republicans that have it
GERAGHTY: Of course the timing of it is scary enough to freak out the superdelegates, to terrify them so they can hesitate before coming out for Obama. It's the last chance for Hillary to -- or not even Hillary, for fans of Hillary to play this kind of card and so it's just one of those things where you just kind of -- the one thing that had me something of a believer was yesterday morning there's a post on a liberal blog called blue man tribune that gives the interpretation saying, no, no, no, if you see the tape it really says not whitey but "Why did he." And she's slurring her words together and it sounds like she's saying "Whitey." And I heard -- I read that and I'm like, huh, that kind of sounds like -- if somebody's putting out this defense and they don't give any sense of where it's coming from, go to a liberal blog and they say, maybe they know somebody in the Obama campaign or maybe they know somebody who was at that particular event. If there's a sting coming out, that would suggest the Tape exists and if the tape does have her saying something like this and they are trying so explain what she's saying and it's not the worst possible interpretation. Well, late in the day I find out this liberal blog wasn't quoting a source, this wasn't based on a conversation. This was entirely speculation of what was on this tape. There was no source for it or anything like that. So I learned my lesson to never, ever, ever trust a liberal blog again.
GLENN: So the guy I saw on Fox today, he's a Clinton supporter. And I thought, boy, this is awfully odd that he would bring this up and he would, you know, say that Republicans are doing this. It makes perfect sense when you start to think, this is just a tactic to scare the superdelegates.
GERAGHTY: Yeah. I mean --
GLENN: I mean, it doesn't get any sleazier than this.
GERAGHTY: Why is he so strangely reticent about saying what's on the tape or whatever this big shoe to drop is? Now all of a sudden the cat's got his tongue? Now he doesn't do anything he wants to do? Yeah.
GLENN: Yeah. Well, no, he just didn't want to be a part of it. He didn't want to be a part of that rumor mongering, yeah. Look, can we just, can we just keep this between us and the most watched television cable show? I mean, yeah. Yeah, Bob, it's just us. It's just us. All right.
GERAGHTY: The other, a note that makes an interesting point for your listeners. After I heard about this yesterday, I heard it from a guy who said he spent most of 1988 trying to track down an alleged photo of (inaudible) throwing feces at the American flag back in the Sixties and the didn't exist, either. I remember a number of stories of the six years of Hillary Clinton burning the flag in the Sixties. Apparently this is a perennial legend that the wife of a Democratic nominee is either a tape of them doing something terribly shocking and appalling.
GLENN: I don't think anything -- but I don't think, Jim, I think we could have videotape of her making out with Karl Marx and it would -- no, seriously.
GERAGHTY: I think if you have video of her pulling the trigger from a grassy knoll that maybe Democrats would reconsider it.